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Mr. Laz
06-07-2010, 11:13 AM
Ranking the D-linemen in the AFC West (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/13330/13330)

By Bill Williamson

This was a very difficult ranking and not because of all the top-notch talent. Actually, this group is not very deep and it includes several unknown commodities. It may become a strong group, but right now, this unit as a whole is a big question mark in the AFC West.

1. Richard Seymour (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2554), Oakland: Seymour is, by far, the best defensive lineman in this division. Itís not even close. Still, Seymour, who is entering his second season in Oakland, has plenty to prove. Seymour, 30, has to show he is still in his prime and he can bounce back from an inconsistent first season in Oakland.

2. Luis Castillo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8443), San Diego: Castillo is a nice player. But he probably should be the second-best defensive lineman in a division. Heís solid, not great.

3. Glenn Dorsey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11239), Kansas City: This was tough. I guess I still believe in Dorsey. But he has to show more in this third NFL season. He was expected to be much better than he has shown so far.

4. Jacques Cesaire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4854), San Diego: A solid journeyman. He should be lower on this list next year if other players develop as expected.

5. Tyson Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12435), Kansas City: Like Dorsey, Jackson has to show up better than his rookie season. He was nowhere near as productive as the No. 3 overall pick is expected to be. But heís a hard worker and he should make strides in his second season.

6. Justin Bannan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3667), Denver: This free-agent pickup is underrated. Heís versatile and he knows how to play winning football.

7. Jamal Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1643), Denver: The former Charger may be on his last leg. But until he hangs it up, this massive nose tackle has to be respected.

8. Tommy Kelly (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5968), Oakland: Kelly is a big, well-paid man. But he is an underachiever.

9. Lamarr Houston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13277), Oakland: Houston was drafted in the second round this year to help Oaklandís terrible run defense. The tackle looks like he will be very active.

10. Jarvis Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3654). Denver: This free-agent pickup is a decent pro. Heíll help Denver.

11. Vaughn Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12688), San Diego: The second-year player is an interesting prospect. He is very raw, but talented.

12. Cam Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13470), San Diego: I like this fifth-round steal. Expect him to get a chance to replace Williams right away.

13. Wallace Gilberry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11809), Kansas City: This is a diamond in the rough. Gilberry is a project who has nice pass-rush skills.

L.A. Chieffan
06-07-2010, 11:15 AM
keep doubtin stoudebaker

beer bacon
06-07-2010, 11:15 AM
At what point will analysts catch on that Dorsey was quite good last season?

Dicky McElephant
06-07-2010, 11:16 AM
keep doubtin stoudebaker

:spock:

Dicky McElephant
06-07-2010, 11:16 AM
At what point will analysts catch on that Dorsey was quite good last season?

At what point will analysts understand that Dorsey is a 3-4 DE and that he's never going to have his "breakout" season?

Detoxing
06-07-2010, 11:19 AM
Wow, what a shitty list.

Run Jamal Charles, run!

L.A. Chieffan
06-07-2010, 11:19 AM
:spock:

dont be drinkin the hata juice

Detoxing
06-07-2010, 11:19 AM
dont be drinkin the hata juice

:facepalm:

mcaj22
06-07-2010, 11:20 AM
dont be drinkin the hata juice



they are rating defensive lineman, not scrub linebackers that can't even beat out a 100 year old guy that sucks off the front office.

Gadzooks
06-07-2010, 11:20 AM
2. Luis Castillo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8443), San Diego: Castillo is a nice player. But he probably should be the second-best defensive lineman in a division. He’s solid, not great.


:spock:

L.A. Chieffan
06-07-2010, 11:22 AM
they are rating defensive lineman, not scrub linebackers that can't even beat out a 100 year old guy that sucks off the front office.

andy stoudebaker is the best goddamn tackler since joe montana!

youll eat youre fucking words bitches

Count Alex's Losses
06-07-2010, 11:23 AM
God, the division is full of crap on the defensive line.

Just a few years ago Jared Allen, Trevor Pryce, Derrick Burgess and non-broke-dick Jamal Williams were pretty impressive.

BossChief
06-07-2010, 12:53 PM
andy stoudebaker is the best goddamn tackler since joe montana!

youll eat youre fucking words bitches

linebacker

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-07-2010, 01:11 PM
Oi.

KCrockaholic
06-07-2010, 01:15 PM
I am actually very surprised to see Jackson so high on this list. And I felt that maybe Shaun Smith should have replaced Wallace Gilberry's name on that list.

Von Dumbass
06-07-2010, 01:54 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.

JASONSAUTO
06-07-2010, 01:56 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.

ROFL

Pablo
06-07-2010, 01:59 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.Yeah man, if only the NFL would allow Ayers patented back-breaker slam as a tackling technique, he'd sure be number 1.

MoreLemonPledge
06-07-2010, 02:06 PM
KnowMo, you're getting better. A year ago you probably would have said 1, 2, and 3.

BossChief
06-07-2010, 02:13 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.

You're dumb.

Who is this #1 you speak of, your uselessness?

Pablo
06-07-2010, 02:15 PM
I'm just amazed at how strong the homer is within KnowMo.

It's kind of frightening to know their are Chiefs fans versions of him.

Renegade
06-07-2010, 02:23 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.

Wow I thought our Kool-aid tasted good, and I have drank my share of it. What do they make yours out of that makes ours look like Tang?

Von Dumbass
06-07-2010, 02:23 PM
You're dumb.

Who is this #1 you speak of, your uselessness?

Jamal Williams. He is the best NT in the division and NT is the most important position in a 3-4 so that automatically makes him the best DL in the division.

Jamal Williams also had the best "overall rating" of all these defensive lineman according to Pro Football Focus in 2008 and 2007. His triceps injury in 2009 was a fluke and a blessing in disguise because it made him fresher for 2010.

ForeverChiefs58
06-07-2010, 02:31 PM
Tyson Jackson doesn't belong on any list unless it is a list of biggest bust in franchise history. I hope Tyson Jackson can end up becoming a sack monster this year, but that is based on wishfull thinking not performance from last year.

Pablo
06-07-2010, 02:36 PM
Jamal Williams. He is the best NT in the division and NT is the most important position in a 3-4 so that automatically makes him the best DL in the division.

Jamal Williams also had the best "overall rating" of all these defensive lineman according to Pro Football Focus in 2008 and 2007. His triceps injury in 2009 was a fluke and a blessing in disguise because it made him fresher for 2010.Bolder for LOFL-ability.

MoreLemonPledge
06-07-2010, 02:38 PM
Jamal Williams. He is the best NT in the division and NT is the most important position in a 3-4 so that automatically makes him the best DL in the division.

Oakland runs a 4-3, so your point is moot. A 4-3 DE is probably the most important player on the entire defense.

Williams is in fact so valuable that San Diego could get rid of him to start Cam Thomas.

Pablo
06-07-2010, 02:39 PM
Oakland runs a 4-3, so your point is moot. A 4-3 DE is probably the most important player on the entire defense.

Williams is in fact so valuable that San Diego could get rid of him to start Cam Thomas.How dare you type the chosen one's name.

Von Dumbass
06-07-2010, 02:39 PM
Bolder for LOFL-ability.

The Wall said that this is the freshest he has felt in years and that he healthy enough to come back in week 8 last year but the Chargers put him on IR.

Von Dumbass
06-07-2010, 02:42 PM
Oakland runs a 4-3, so your point is moot. A 4-3 DE is probably the most important player on the entire defense.

Williams is in fact so valuable that San Diego could get rid of him to start Cam Thomas.

SD wanted Jamal to come back to them on a cheaper contract. No player on any type of defense is more important to a teams success than a 3-4 NT. Jamal Williams commands double teams and beats them with ease. The Wall is easily the strongest player in the NFL and has 340 pounds on him to go with that strength. :eek:

Tiger's Fan
06-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Tyson Jackson doesn't belong on any list unless it is a list of biggest bust in franchise history. I hope Tyson Jackson can end up becoming a sack monster this year, but that is based on wishfull thinking not performance from last year.

Heres a prime example of someone that doesn't know WTF a 3-4 DE is, or does.

You're soon to reach knowmer status, be careful.

Ugly Duck
06-07-2010, 03:16 PM
BS. Denver should have #1

Didn't see that coming....

MoreLemonPledge
06-07-2010, 03:21 PM
SD wanted Jamal to come back to them on a cheaper contract. No player on any type of defense is more important to a teams success than a 3-4 NT. Jamal Williams commands double teams and beats them with ease. The Wall is easily the strongest player in the NFL and has 340 pounds on him to go with that strength. :eek:

A rush LB is more important to a 3-4 than a NT.

Anway, I'm intrigued to hear your top 5, since 4 and 5 are also Broncos.

Von Dumbass
06-07-2010, 03:25 PM
A rush LB is more important to a 3-4 than a NT.

Anway, I'm intrigued to hear your top 5, since 4 and 5 are also Broncos.

1. Jamal Williams
2. Richard Seymour
3. Luis Castillo
4. Justin Bannan
5. Jarvis Green

ForeverChiefs58
06-07-2010, 09:00 PM
Heres a prime example of someone that doesn't know WTF a 3-4 DE is, or does.

You're soon to reach knowmer status, be careful.


It doesn't matter what you say his job was, he didn't do it. His first year he couldn't do anything, he was the opposite of good.
I know that if Tyson Jackson's only job was to suck he would be going to the freaking pro bowl.
Hell, might be first year nerves and in the future he might turn into Reggie White for all I know, but the tape from last year says he makes bad look lazy and his name belongs nowhere on this list.

ForeverChiefs58
06-07-2010, 09:07 PM
Most linemen take about 3 years. The only way Dorsey is on there because he started to turn a corner last year, and most agree he has a lot of talent and potential. I hope TJ starts looking that way, it would go a long way in helping the D. I eagerly watched him every game and usually kept asking "is he even playing?".

Mr. Laz
06-07-2010, 09:23 PM
personally i can't believe we have any Dline on the list consider our really haven't done jack. I guess this is sort of a projection not established.

vailpass
06-07-2010, 09:26 PM
personally i can't believe we have any Dline on the list consider our really haven't done jack. I guess this is sort of a projection not established.

I'm feeling the same way about my team.After the way we finished the 2nd half of last year there is not a single Denver D player that should be on any best of lists anywhere.
I can't wait until the season starts to see how we have improved.

Jethopper
06-07-2010, 09:27 PM
1. Jamal Williams
2. Richard Seymour
3. Luis Castillo
4. Justin Bannan
5. Jarvis Green

ROFL:clap:ROFL:clap:

Tombstone RJ
06-07-2010, 11:27 PM
Bill Williamson is a tard.

Rain Man
06-07-2010, 11:43 PM
That's not a very scary list.

notorious
06-07-2010, 11:58 PM
JFC


Just when I thought that T. Jackson at #5 was the stupidest thing that I have seen in a while KnowMo bursts onto the scene with his statement.

BIG K
06-08-2010, 12:15 AM
Most linemen take about 3 years. The only way Dorsey is on there because he started to turn a corner last year, and most agree he has a lot of talent and potential. I hope TJ starts looking that way, it would go a long way in helping the D. I eagerly watched him every game and usually kept asking "is he even playing?".

How many d-lineman have been drafted under Krummie? I am really excited to see how the d-lineman we have on board now do better with Krummy gone........Just my thought....

-King-
06-08-2010, 05:21 AM
Didn't see that coming....

Don't know why, but this made me LMAO

Anyong Bluth
06-08-2010, 08:30 AM
While I've been disappointed GD & TJ haven't lived up to some's expectations, I think GD was coming along the the 2nd half & didn't he finally register his 1st sack vs Denver to close out the season ? TJ is a rookie so I can hardly get down on him so fast, & hasn't it been repeated like gospel on here that every dlman needs 3 yrs to really show their true form? Yet so many here are already writing them off even though everyone was geeked well GD fell in our lap...

I'm just trying to remain optimistic, & give these guys a fair shake, esp. now that Romeo is here & we can move past advanced slap fighting drills!!

Rain Man
06-08-2010, 09:28 AM
1. Jamal Williams
2. Richard Seymour
3. Luis Castillo
4. Justin Bannan
5. Jarvis Green

based on my reading, i'm pretty sure that the fifth guy doesn't exist, and the fourth guy's full name is justin bannonwhoeverthatis.
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Sweet Daddy Hate
06-08-2010, 05:07 PM
JFC


Just when I thought that T. Jackson at #5 was the stupidest thing that I have seen in a while KnowMo bursts onto the scene with his statement.

Yeah, but it's kinda' funny in it's utter lack of reality.

RedNeckRaider
06-08-2010, 05:24 PM
BS. Denver should have 1, 4, and 5 locked up on this list.

Nobody will ever take you serious if you continue to post silly homer based posts. Come on man just offer real takes :rolleyes:

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-08-2010, 05:51 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that someone would go on an opponent's team message board and pimp Justin F'n Bannon like he's some kind of force to be reckoned with.