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Reaper16
06-08-2010, 11:06 AM
The video for "Alejandro" came out today. And really, it is totally NOT SAFE FOR WORK. The amount of stark sexuality in this video is totally inappropriate for work and will likely disgust a decent portion of the people who watch this 9 minute, very German, very harsh music video.

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It is going to take me a while to think this whole video through; there's a lot going on about the nature of sexuality. I can't wait to see the scholarship that comes out of it.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-08-2010, 11:26 AM
Gross. I never liked her. She looks like Marilynn Manson. Yuck.

stormtrooper
06-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Wow!! Absolutely the gayest ever.

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 11:46 AM
Wow!! Absolutely the gayest ever.
That's a large part of the point, yes.

L.A. Chieffan
06-08-2010, 12:11 PM
I remember Madonnas "Justify My Love" video came out and how controversial it was.

Looks like a jonas brothers video compared to this

Fruit Ninja
06-08-2010, 12:15 PM
couldnt finish it, the song sucked.

seclark
06-08-2010, 12:22 PM
where the hell do those guys get their hair cut?
sin,

Demonpenz
06-08-2010, 01:00 PM
Didn't watch the video...but it reminds me of the pet shop boys.

Useful Idiot
06-08-2010, 01:20 PM
wtf is 'very german' about this?

Demonpenz
06-08-2010, 01:23 PM
she's a vander sloot

MoreLemonPledge
06-08-2010, 01:27 PM
wtf is 'very german' about this?

Maybe the obvious references to the Third Reich?

Molitoth
06-08-2010, 01:48 PM
To know this is my 15 year old niece's role model makes me wanna puke.

Demonpenz
06-08-2010, 01:49 PM
charles barkley is in it?

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 04:41 PM
wtf is 'very german' about this?
The starkness, the militaristic references, the German photographic and pornographic influence that has always been a part of director Steven Klein's photography.

Taco John
06-08-2010, 04:59 PM
This is one of her worst songs. Hardly a suprise that it would make for one of her worst (worst) videos.

Though I did think the machine gun bra was pretty sweet.

Also, the Moe haircuts were a strange touch.

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 05:20 PM
This is one of her worst songs. Hardly a suprise that it would make for one of her worst (worst) videos.
Bollocks.

irishjayhawk
06-08-2010, 05:30 PM
This is one of her worst songs. Hardly a suprise that it would make for one of her worst (worst) videos.

Though I did think the machine gun bra was pretty sweet.

Also, the Moe haircuts were a strange touch.

I disagree. I've hated most of the other videos. Telephone was a waste of 9 minutes.

Here, I was intrigued. And aside from the sexual middle part, which I felt was random and unfitting, the video was engaging.

I have to side with Reaper, I'm wondering what commentary comes about from this.


Also, there are people that seriously can't see the German-ness of the video? I'm calling Poe's Law on Useful Idiot.

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 05:47 PM
GaGa has stated that one aspect of this video is the "purity of my friendships with my gay friends, and how I've been unable to find that with a straight man in my life. It's a celebration and an admiration of gay love—it confesses my envy of the courage and bravery they require to be together. In the video I'm pining for the love of my gay friends—but they just don't want me to be with them."

OnTheWarpath58
06-08-2010, 06:27 PM
In no way meant to hi-jack, but it's Gaga news not worthy of its own thread, IMO:

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a224107/lady-gaga-wants-to-pose-for-playboy.html


Tuesday, June 8, 2010
Showbiz
Lady GaGa 'wants to pose for Playboy'
Tuesday, June 8 2010, 7:10am EDT
By Mayer Nissim, Entertainment Reporter


Lady GaGa wants to pose naked for Playboy, it has been claimed.

According to Heat, the singer will go ahead with the shoot despite opposition from her friends and crew, including stylist Nicola Formichetti.

A source said: "No-one wants her to do it. Her business people are trying to convince her that it could be seen as being a bit lowbrow and cheesy, and will alienate her fans who like her edgy appeal.

"She thinks it will be an experience, and she's always looking to grow as an artist. She doesn't think there's anything distasteful about it. She sees it as just another form of expression."

The source added: "She's been chatting with everyone about it all week. She's always been a fan of Hugh Hefner's, and his whole sex-as-art kind of thing.

"She's always looking to shock and entertain, and something like this would be perfect for her. She wants her shoot to be like nothing Playboy has every seen before. If she doesn't drop it, her nude shoot will be like nothing Playboy has ever seen!"

Last year, GaGa turned down an offer to pose for the magazine but also quipped: "I might change my mind when I have a new album to plug."

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 06:44 PM
In no way meant to hi-jack, but it's Gaga news not worthy of its own thread, IMO:

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a224107/lady-gaga-wants-to-pose-for-playboy.html
That shoot will be fun. It'd likely be the strangest shoot in Playboy history.

Mr. Laz
06-08-2010, 06:52 PM
kinda heavy handed on the Gay/Religion tone but .... :shrug:

Valiant
06-08-2010, 08:14 PM
The video for "Alejandro" came out today. And really, it is totally NOT SAFE FOR WORK. The amount of stark sexuality in this video is totally inappropriate for work and will likely disgust a decent portion of the people who watch this 9 minute, very German, very harsh music video.

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It is going to take me a while to think this whole video through; there's a lot going on about the nature of sexuality. I can't wait to see the scholarship that comes out of it.


Yeah I think she made this song the same way family guy makes jokes..

Lets see: gayness, german military, church, crosses, bad wigs, mexican names lets make a song about it..

irishjayhawk
06-08-2010, 08:15 PM
Yeah I think she made this song the same way family guy makes jokes..

Lets see: gayness, german military, church, crosses, bad wigs, mexican names lets make a song about it..

Family guy does it with manatees.

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 08:17 PM
Yeah I think she made this song the same way family guy makes jokes..

Lets see: gayness, german military, church, crosses, bad wigs, mexican names lets make a song about it..
I'd like to see you go further into that argument, which may have merit. If I understand you correctly you see the video's imagery as not having a cohesive artistic purpose; that the video is composed of a hodgepodge of striking images that don't come together to say anything?

Sure-Oz
06-08-2010, 08:22 PM
GaGa has stated that one aspect of this video is the "purity of my friendships with my gay friends, and how I've been unable to find that with a straight man in my life. It's a celebration and an admiration of gay love—it confesses my envy of the courage and bravery they require to be together. In the video I'm pining for the love of my gay friends—but they just don't want me to be with them."

So alejandro is gay?

irishjayhawk
06-08-2010, 08:24 PM
I'd like to see you go further into that argument, which may have merit. If I understand you correctly you see the video's imagery as not having a cohesive artistic purpose; that the video is composed of a hodgepodge of striking images that don't come together to say anything?

I don't think he got that deep.

Fruit Ninja
06-08-2010, 08:25 PM
To know this is my 15 year old niece's role model makes me wanna puke.

She's taken the world by fucking storm. I didnt realize how huge she was until about 2 months ago. Its insane, it really is.

Some of her music isnt that bad, but she's selling herself as a brand, and there is nothing wrong with it. get yours girl.

Sure-Oz
06-08-2010, 08:27 PM
Shes the new madonna...i remember when her music first came out i heard she was a hermaphrodite

Tribal Warfare
06-08-2010, 08:28 PM
can you see his/her mini-penis?

NewChief
06-08-2010, 08:30 PM
Well, it isn't academic.. but the folks at Vigilant Citizen are up in arms on it with lots of batshit paranoid (yet crazily plausible) interpretations:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3879

No official VC deconstruction yet.

Reaper16
06-08-2010, 08:35 PM
Shes the new madonna...i remember when her music first came out i heard she was a hermaphrodite

can you see his/her mini-penis?
I love that GaGa doesn't deny nor confirm this rumor. I wouldn't be surprised if it was her camp that floated the rumor in the first place. Her artistic persona works better if she was hermaphroditic or transsexual but she isn't. Anyway, one of the scenes in the video for Telephone was pretty much a confirmation that she is sans member.

Well, it isn't academic.. but the folks at Vigilant Citizen are up in arms on it with lots of batshit paranoid (yet crazily plausible) interpretations:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3879

No official VC deconstruction yet.
LMAO

NewChief
06-08-2010, 08:46 PM
Salon weighs in. How gay is the "Alejandro" video? Really fucking gay.

ROFL

http://www.salon.com/life/lady_gaga/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/06/08/queer_imagery_in_lady_gaga
Queer imagery in Lady Gaga's "Alejandro"
The gay icon's new video is like Givenchy at the Folsom Street Fair VIDEO
BY ALEX JUNG

YouTube
Lady Gaga's "Alejandro"
Lady Gaga, like her predecessor Madonna (to whom she pays homage -- or is that rips off? -- in her latest video), also owes a great deal to the gays. The latest Gaga epic, "Alejandro," opens on the image of a strapping young officer asleep at his desk wearing fishnet stockings and black pumps, with an AK-47 at arm's length. The next scene cuts to a fleet of shirtless men in black spanx (though they clearly have no need for them), sporting black bowl cuts, marching in black boots -- perhaps realizing conservatives' nightmare when DADT is repealed? But men in heels and carrying assault rifles aren't a contradictory image in the context of queer sexuality, fetish and kink. So exactly how queer is Lady Gaga's new music video? Oh, let us count the ways ...

1. Gender bending. Gay men wearing heels is nothing new, of course. But this isn't just about boys in girls' clothes; it's also about exploring feminine movement. One gentleman slinks around on the bed like calendar pinup. The dancers move behind Gaga in a synchronized mass, wave their arms out like tentacles and then draw them back in to do an update of the bend and snap. And there is a great deal of attitude in those snaps (most delightfully, the one to Lady Gaga’s left).

On the bed, Lady Gaga takes the dominant role and aggressively thrusts against her bowl-cut twin doggy-style. (And what straight woman has imagined doing something similar to a beautiful gay man?) On another level, it's a more subtle play on the old Internet rumor about Lady Gaga and her penis. However you read it, this is not your typical girl-on-boy.

2. (P)leather daddies. It's hard not to read the Freudian subtext in the line, "But a boyfriend's like a dad, just like a dad," as Gaga wrestles with her lover in bed. Does Lady Gaga just want a gay leather daddy?

The video's extreme leather fetish -- from Lady Gaga's oversize motorcycle jacket and pleather nun's habit to the dancers' thick black boots -- is like Givenchy at the Folsom Street Fair. Of course, you rarely have leather without ...

3. S/M. We see the classic signifiers: Choke-holds and ropes and whips. One dancer shoves his partner's hips to the ground, grunting like a Marine. A man in spiked headgear with strings around him bookends the video: He really just needs a leather face mask that zips across the mouth. Indeed, the question of power, authority and violence is a pall that hangs over the video, much darker than her previous offerings.

4. Sex toys. Does anyone else think that rosaries look a lot like anal beads?

In May, Lady Gaga told the Times Online, "[The video is] a celebration and an admiration of gay love -- it confesses my envy of the courage and bravery they require to be together." And just in time for Gay Pride.

Sure-Oz
06-08-2010, 08:50 PM
Lady Gaygay?

BWillie
06-08-2010, 09:25 PM
Shes the new madonna...i remember when her music first came out i heard she was a hermaphrodite

Minus the dick, I can see why people would think that, she looks disgusting most of the time

Demonpenz
06-08-2010, 09:51 PM
his this video about how alenandjo pena cost the braves 2 world series? That shit was gay for sure

valheru
06-09-2010, 03:34 AM
LOL too homoerotic for words...

BigMeatballDave
06-09-2010, 07:22 AM
Wow. She REALLY wants to prove she doesnt have a penis.

Its too bad her face is beat to shit, because she does have a nice body.

Her style is eerily similar to Madonna, 20 yrs ago.

greg63
06-09-2010, 11:16 PM
Thought her rifle barrel black leather bra? was completely ridiculous. I chuckled.

Tribal Warfare
06-09-2010, 11:42 PM
Thought her rifle barrel black leather bra? was completely ridiculous. I chuckled.

copying the cone bra of Madonna's Vogue, or her " Blonde Ambition " tour.

KC native
06-10-2010, 09:05 PM
um, that video was gay softcore porn. lame.

NewChief
06-14-2010, 08:18 AM
Vigilant Citizen finally weighs in and doesn't disappoint.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3979

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 09:09 AM
Vigilant Citizen finally weighs in and doesn't disappoint.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3979

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/06/303d3c6c8b5d332f4e1ad36418bac867/original.jpg

blaise
06-14-2010, 09:38 AM
"Hey, look at me! I'm outrageous. Please, won't some group be outraged that I dressed like a nun? See, look. I dressed like a nun and there's sex. There's like, some message there. It's about sex and religion and gay sex or something. And guys with the same haircut as Moe from 3 Stooges. It's artistic because there's gay images and military images and nuns and sex. Therefore it means something."

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 10:11 AM
"Hey, look at me! I'm outrageous. Please, won't some group be outraged that I dressed like a nun? See, look. I dressed like a nun and there's sex. There's like, some message there. It's about sex and religion and gay sex or something. And guys with the same haircut as Moe from 3 Stooges. It's artistic because there's gay images and military images and nuns and sex. Therefore it means something."
I thought you were smarter than that.

blaise
06-14-2010, 10:31 AM
I thought you were smarter than that.

You probably overestimate me. That being said I don't think the video goes much deeper than that. I admit I fast forwarded a portion of it, but not because it was offensive. I did it because I was bored. All I got from it was her trying to get some degree of shock value across so she could get more publicity. I didn't see much more than a dressed up version of the old Mike Myers "Sprockets" bit. Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see much that I consider imaginative. The feeling I got most from the video was apathy and boredom.
I'd say she was going for some dada effect but she seems to be under the impression that she's getting an actual artistic point across. Perhaps there is one and I just don't care to see it.
And I stand by the Moe comment. That part is indisputable.

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 10:46 AM
You probably overestimate me. That being said I don't think the video goes much deeper than that. I admit I fast forwarded a portion of it, but not because it was offensive. I did it because I was bored. All I got from it was her trying to get some degree of shock value across so she could get more publicity. I didn't see much more than a dressed up version of the old Mike Myers "Sprockets" bit. Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see much that I consider imaginative. The feeling I got most from the video was apathy and boredom.
I'd say she was going for some dada effect but she seems to be under the impression that she's getting an actual artistic point across. Perhaps there is one and I just don't care to see it.
And I stand by the Moe comment. That part is indisputable.
For what it is worth - there are lots of people, many of them scholars, that see a lot more than you are: http://gagajournal.blogspot.com/2010/06/lady-gagas-alejandro-preliminary-ideas.html

Detoxing
06-14-2010, 03:14 PM
I don't understand America's obsession with this ugly bitch. Her music is awful, he schtick is fucking retarded, and this video is the gayest shit i've ever seen. No one wants to see men rubbing each other and dressing like girls. Is her gay following that big or something?

I dont know....maybe im getting old and im not cool enough to get it anymore.

listopencil
06-14-2010, 07:26 PM
I got the sense in the video that her character really was pining for someone. Either a named figure (Alejandro) or a composite of many different persons, alluded to by the various other names used in the song. Her quote seems to ring true within the context of the video, about the "purity of my friendships with my gay friends, and how I've been unable to find that with a straight man in my life....in the video I'm pining for the love of my gay friends—but they just don't want me to be with them."

I don't know, I was put off a bit by the overtly homosexual dance moves in the video. I generally don't enjoy watching men dance anyway. Even when the gay ones are pretending to be straight. But, as always, my eye was drawn to Gaga throughout. I love the way she moves.

I love that GaGa doesn't deny nor confirm this rumor. I wouldn't be surprised if it was her camp that floated the rumor in the first place. Her artistic persona works better if she was hermaphroditic or transsexual but she isn't. Anyway, one of the scenes in the video for Telephone was pretty much a confirmation that she is sans member.

Yeah, I'm thinking it was. It's a great gimmick. I find it hilarious. I think she's just out there singing and dancing around, having fun. Making a video lets her do a little acting too. No big deal.

NewChief
06-14-2010, 07:37 PM
I think my main problem with Gaga is she tends toward a pretty one-dimensional portrayal of homosexuality. I realize that she's just projecting parallel images of the music video medium (which pretty much relies on heterosexual objectification), but it just sort of annoys me that in her advocacy for GLBT, she pretty much just depicts them as hypersexualized leather freaks.

irishjayhawk
06-14-2010, 10:01 PM
I think my main problem with Gaga is she tends toward a pretty one-dimensional portrayal of homosexuality. I realize that she's just projecting parallel images of the music video medium (which pretty much relies on heterosexual objectification), but it just sort of annoys me that in her advocacy for GLBT, she pretty much just depicts them as hypersexualized leather freaks.

If I had a gripe about the video, that would definitely be up there on my list.

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 10:13 PM
I think my main problem with Gaga is she tends toward a pretty one-dimensional portrayal of homosexuality. I realize that she's just projecting parallel images of the music video medium (which pretty much relies on heterosexual objectification), but it just sort of annoys me that in her advocacy for GLBT, she pretty much just depicts them as hypersexualized leather freaks.

If I had a gripe about the video, that would definitely be up there on my list.
You guys are acting like that was an oversight on her/Stephen Klein's part or that it wasn't intentional. Certainly that is there... but can you make an argument that GaGa depicts homosexuals one-dimensionally? That is sort of a leap to me; taking the sexual scenes that are always presented as the homosexual male in relation to GaGa herself and extending that to all homosexuals.

blaise
06-14-2010, 10:17 PM
Maybe she should have added some campy, sassy, advice giving, best friend kind of homosexual dudes as well.

Jenson71
06-14-2010, 10:24 PM
Marilyn Manson's videos are pretty much the same. It's just that only 23 people listen to his music, so not many people got it the first time.

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 10:30 PM
Marilyn Manson's videos are pretty much the same. It's just that only 23 people listen to his music, so not many people got it the first time.
There is no God. Ha ha. *offers as much intellectual substance as Jenson in this thread*

Jenson71
06-14-2010, 11:06 PM
There is no God. Ha ha. *offers as much intellectual substance as Jenson in this thread*

I don't know, that comment seems pretty appropriate for this thread.

Reaper16
06-14-2010, 11:26 PM
I don't know, that comment seems pretty appropriate for this thread.
Only if you ascribe to Vigilant Citizen's take.

DJ's left nut
06-14-2010, 11:32 PM
Oh for fuck's sake.

We get it - you like gays and you want to be Madonna.

If we just keep sending money your way, will you promise to go away?

Sure-Oz
06-20-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gross_gaga_skankee_0KUv1I7990pbzT0KsQgBEJ
LMAO what a dumbass

CoMoChief
06-20-2010, 12:57 PM
I'm not gonna lie. I am a Lady Gaga fan. Her songs are catchy. That being said this video is absolutely disturbing on so many levels.




Bomb away.....

CoMoChief
06-20-2010, 01:03 PM
(Currently listening to this song, dancing violently, taking giant bong rips, pounding my chest like a cracked out rabid Gorilla, roaring like a god damn Lion.)

CoMoChief
06-20-2010, 01:10 PM
Man Im ripped outa my mind right now....think Im gonna go heat up some Beefaroni then go out to the pool and impress some ladies by chugging beer like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Baby Lee
06-20-2010, 01:14 PM
Man Im ripped outa my mind right now....think Im gonna go heat up some Beefaroni then go out to the pool and impress some ladies by chugging beer like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Nobody say a word!!!!