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keg in kc
06-08-2010, 11:30 PM
I've only caught bits and pieces of Mad Men and Breaking Bad, looks like another interesting show is heading for the channel (and The Walking Dead this fall!). Premiere peeks Sunday night after Breaking Bad's season finale, launches for real on August 1st, paired with Mad Men.

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Cave Johnson
06-09-2010, 03:11 PM
James Badge Dale was solid in The Pacific..... I'll definitely give this a shot.

Reaper16
06-09-2010, 03:15 PM
Mad Men and Breaking Bad are well on their way to being two of the top 5 TV dramas of all time. That track record demands that I watch this show.

Miles
06-15-2010, 01:52 AM
Just watched the pilot that aired last night and is probably on Hulu by now.

It was pretty damn random as far as setting up some type of formula which you typically see with most new shows. It felt like more of something you would see on HBO or BBC where it was just the first hour of a serial. Hardly a bad thing and I am definitely interested.

Buck
06-15-2010, 06:10 AM
I liked it. I'm into mysteries so it kept my interest. Sucked seeing the judge from The Wire die though. He was cool.

Brock
08-02-2010, 06:27 PM
It's a must watch for me.

keg in kc
08-02-2010, 10:40 PM
Awesome show through the first two episodes (okay, 1.5, I'm still finishing up ep. 2).

I don't have a friggin clue where this is going.

Buck
08-03-2010, 07:09 AM
Wait the fuck up! Episode 2 is out? Did it air already?

Buck
08-03-2010, 07:15 AM
Okay I'm downloading episode 2 now. Can someone re-brief me on episode 1?

I remember that the curly haired guy found some kind of code in a crossword, and the father in law covered it up and that the father in law gave him a motorcycle or something and then the father in law went on a train that he seemingly knew would kill him and his car was parked in spot 13 where he would never park...Also I remember that the guy's kid(s) and wife are dead.

Do I need to remember anything else?

Brock
08-03-2010, 01:07 PM
Okay I'm downloading episode 2 now. Can someone re-brief me on episode 1?

I remember that the curly haired guy found some kind of code in a crossword, and the father in law covered it up and that the father in law gave him a motorcycle or something and then the father in law went on a train that he seemingly knew would kill him and his car was parked in spot 13 where he would never park...Also I remember that the guy's kid(s) and wife are dead.

Do I need to remember anything else?

That about covers it. Everything is still very shrouded in mystery.

Red Brooklyn
08-04-2010, 11:50 AM
I wanna see, I wanna see!

Buck
08-04-2010, 12:47 PM
All I have to say is "Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit."

Reaper16
08-08-2010, 12:15 AM
Finally got in the mood to watch this show. First two episodes are sort of fun despite the problems with pacing.

Buck
08-17-2010, 03:46 AM
Anyone else keeping up with this?

Reaper16
08-17-2010, 03:48 AM
Anyone else keeping up with this?
Yes.

Buck
08-17-2010, 04:15 AM
Yes.

Okay, I can't tell the direction this show is going. I just read the AV Club article about the last episode and the author mentioned that he is hoping that the show is going to be more about the decisions that the people have to make and how those decisions weigh on them rather than the show being about some kind of conspiracy. He also mentioned that looks like the direction it is heading, but I'm not sure about that with the whole James Badge Dale seeking info on one of the 7 names he got.

Basically I am confused as to what the show is about so far. Can you provide any insight that might make it easier for me to understand?

Reaper16
08-17-2010, 10:31 AM
Okay, I can't tell the direction this show is going. I just read the AV Club article about the last episode and the author mentioned that he is hoping that the show is going to be more about the decisions that the people have to make and how those decisions weigh on them rather than the show being about some kind of conspiracy. He also mentioned that looks like the direction it is heading, but I'm not sure about that with the whole James Badge Dale seeking info on one of the 7 names he got.

Basically I am confused as to what the show is about so far. Can you provide any insight that might make it easier for me to understand?
I don't think I have any insight to give. Plot-wise it is, so far, a show about Will Travers investigating the mysterious death of his father-in-law, a death that seems to have connections both to upper management of his company and with a shadow "4th branch" of the U.S. Government. Miranda Richardson's dead husband who killed himself seemed to do so because of instructions from that 4th branch. The two plot threads should join up soon. What's weird about this show is I could have said that little plot synopsis after episode 1 but here I am saying the same thing after episode 4. This is a very slow show. But I'm curious as to where it will end up.

Buck
08-17-2010, 02:40 PM
I don't think I have any insight to give. Plot-wise it is, so far, a show about Will Travers investigating the mysterious death of his father-in-law, a death that seems to have connections both to upper management of his company and with a shadow "4th branch" of the U.S. Government. Miranda Richardson's dead husband who killed himself seemed to do so because of instructions from that 4th branch. The two plot threads should join up soon. What's weird about this show is I could have said that little plot synopsis after episode 1 but here I am saying the same thing after episode 4. This is a very slow show. But I'm curious as to where it will end up.

Yeah, true. As I was watching episode 4 I was thinking to myself that I'll stick with it, but there has to be a shit load of people who are dropping off. I can't imagine the show is getting the same ratings that BB/MM were getting by episode 4. We'll see. I wonder if a 6 episode season was ordered at first and then they ordered 6 or 7 more? Sometimes with shows like that they start off really slow, but pick up immediately at the new episodes.

Reaper16
08-17-2010, 04:58 PM
Yeah, true. As I was watching episode 4 I was thinking to myself that I'll stick with it, but there has to be a shit load of people who are dropping off. I can't imagine the show is getting the same ratings that BB/MM were getting by episode 4. We'll see. I wonder if a 6 episode season was ordered at first and then they ordered 6 or 7 more? Sometimes with shows like that they start off really slow, but pick up immediately at the new episodes.
Episode 4 was the strongest episode so far. Easily. Hopefully the show keeps that up.

Third Eye
08-17-2010, 06:14 PM
Episode 4 was the strongest episode so far. Easily. Hopefully the show keeps that up.

I was going to post the same thing. First ep of this show that has met my expectations.

Given the name of the show, I'm expecting the dynamics to change dramatically. Pure speculation but I'm thinking these early episodes, maybe even the first season, are merely setting up the characters in play. I'm fully expecting Travers to go rogue at some point.

Buck
08-17-2010, 06:15 PM
Episode 4 was the strongest episode so far. Easily. Hopefully the show keeps that up.

I liked it as well, I'm just saying that there are a lot of people that have little patience and won't stay with the show, regardless of how good the last episode was. Not only that, but it would be a pretty hard show to just pick up at any point from here on out.

Reaper16
08-17-2010, 06:23 PM
I liked it as well, I'm just saying that there are a lot of people that have little patience and won't stay with the show, regardless of how good the last episode was. Not only that, but it would be a pretty hard show to just pick up at any point from here on out.
I agree. I wasn't attempting to refute anything you said.

keg in kc
08-31-2010, 03:58 PM
Still watching. I can't remember a show that's ever given so little away so slowly but I'll be damned if there isn't something about it that just keeps me hooked.

Miles
08-31-2010, 10:22 PM
Same here. I also like how it is shot.

Braincase
09-04-2010, 03:45 PM
I'm into it.

Reaper16
09-05-2010, 11:40 PM
Another good episode. AMC really knows how to turn a bottle episode into something great.

keg in kc
10-12-2010, 07:32 AM
Wasn't able to keep up with Rubicon for most of the last six weeks. Finally caught up yesterday and all I can say is what a fantastic show. The way they've tied everything up is just amazing.

blazzin311
10-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Wasn't able to keep up with Rubicon for most of the last six weeks. Finally caught up yesterday and all I can say is what a fantastic show. The way they've tied everything up is just amazing.

So you're saying I shold jump back into it...I watched the first 5 episodes or so before I just completely gave up on it. It's just too damn slow and drags on and on it seems. If the last six episodes are as good as you say they are I might give them a shot just for the simple fact that they're on ondemand and there isn't anything better to watch during the daytime anyhow.

Reaper16
10-12-2010, 11:56 AM
So you're saying I shold jump back into it...I watched the first 5 episodes or so before I just completely gave up on it. It's just too damn slow and drags on and on it seems. If the last six episodes are as good as you say they are I might give them a shot just for the simple fact that they're on ondemand and there isn't anything better to watch during the daytime anyhow.
Yeah, definitely watch it. Rubicon gets better and better as the season goes along, when it becomes less concerned about the political conspiracy storyline and more concerned with being a show about how the intelligence field affects the people that work in it.

Brock
10-12-2010, 12:06 PM
It's a great show. I doubt it has much of a future though.

blazzin311
10-12-2010, 12:15 PM
Yeah, definitely watch it. Rubicon gets better and better as the season goes along, when it becomes less concerned about the political conspiracy storyline and more concerned with being a show about how the intelligence field affects the people that work in it.

Right on I'll take you up on your advice and see if I can't even get caught up by Sunday when the new episode airs. Good lookin out.

keg in kc
10-12-2010, 01:56 PM
It's a great show. I doubt it has much of a future though.I'm not sure how you'd even do a second season. Once the events from this one play out, where do you go from there?

keg in kc
10-15-2010, 08:38 PM
AV Club interview with Henry Bromell (http://www.avclub.com/articles/rubicon-executive-producer-henry-bromell,46389/) (Rubicon showrunner...). Explains some of the changes conspiracy versus office, etc: Rubicon executive producer Henry Bromell

by Todd VanDerWerff
October 15, 2010

Novelist and screenwriter Henry Bromell stepped into an impossible situation when he joined AMC’s latest drama series, Rubicon. Creator Jason Horwitch was struggling to make the show, which revolved around a think tank named the American Policy Institute (or API) and a shadowy conspiracy, coalesce. Bromell was brought in to play showrunner to the fledgling creator, but shortly after Bromell came on, Horwitch departed the show, leaving it completely in Bromell’s hands. From there, Bromell changed the show from an epic conspiracy thriller into a workplace drama about people who work in the mundane, day-to-day business of espionage and the havoc that work plays on their personal lives. Bromell, who previously wrote for Homicide: Life On The Street and Brotherhood, is no stranger to shows about how grueling work can grind people to dust, and he soon marked the show with his own personal stamp. He talked with The A.V. Club in mid-September about the situations surrounding his coming to the show, the changes he’s made from Horwitch’s vision, and what filming on the East Coast adds to a TV series.

The A.V. Club: How did you end up working on Rubicon?

Henry Bromell: Well, about a year ago, AMC called me up and asked if I’d be interested in running the show and helping a guy named Jason Horwitch, who had written the original pilot, make the show. They had filmed the pilot, directed ably by Allen Coulter, and I watched it and thought it was really cool, and potentially even cooler. I knew what they were referencing in terms of story and filmmaking style, which was early ’70s American filmmaking, especially people like [Alan] Pakula, and I love all that. And so I said, “Sure.”

AVC: Has the show changed at all from Jason Horwitch’s original outline?

HB: It’s changed a fair amount. It used to be, originally, that API was a think tank, more like RAND, so I just thought that wasn’t very interesting. It’s hard enough to tell good stories about people who analyze information for a living. It’s even harder to do a good show about people who think for a living. So that changed. And then sort of the whole nature of the conspiracy changed. Somewhat. And then all the characters—they’re either a bunch of new characters that weren’t in there in the beginning, like Truxton Spangler and people like that, or some of the other characters who were in there, like Kale Ingram, got changed considerably.

AVC: How did you decide to make those shifts?

HB: Just instinct. When they asked me to take over alone and run it, I said I would do it if I could make the changes I thought were necessary. I then took a couple of weeks and just walked around with my little note cards in my pocket, and I tried to focus on the things I certainly didn’t feel satisfied by yet.

AVC: Did you consciously shift away from focusing on the conspiracy aspect? That seemed more important to the pilot than some of the later episodes of the show.

HB: Yeah, I would agree with you. I felt strongly—still do—that for this show to work you could not have it be even 80 percent about the conspiracy. And the reason is, if you do that, then you’re gonna be chasing that story all the time and it will lead you. You will have to start blowing stuff up by episode seven. Episode four was the one that I thought was a crucial test, and I thought we passed it. In that one, there was only one scene even involving the conspiracy, which takes place, as a nod to Pakula, in an underground parking garage. The rest had to do with these people and what they do, and it worked terrifically, I thought. You need to be able to put the brakes on the conspiracy story. If you can’t put the brakes on the conspiracy story it will lead you and it will lead you badly. For a TV show. Now for a movie, of course, it’s something else. You’ve got an hour and a half. That’s a different story.

AVC: How much resolution are we going to see to these storylines within this season?

HB: A fair amount. I was thinking about that yesterday. I’m just finishing the last episode, and I think, if I’ve tabulated this right, in terms of all the character stuff you’ll pretty much reach the conclusion of something or the beginning of something newish. In terms of the spy story stuff—that is to say the work they’ve been doing inside API trying to figure out what these foreigners are up to, or not so foreign, as it turns out—you get total resolution on that. In terms of the conspiracy, you get about 90 percent.

AVC: Probably the big complaint about the show is that it’s slow. How would you respond to that?

HB: Part of it is intentional, and that is to say, the filmmaking that I really admire and that we’re sort of nodding to in our TV show here is measured and has a pace that I think is very different for a lot of people today than what they’re used to. But you go back and look at those [’70s] movies, they have the same kind of pace. Now it gets into sort of esoteric things, but part of it has got to do with the way it’s filmed. In other words, a lot happens in wide shots, in master shots, in medium-wide shots. There’s not a whole lot of cutting. The artfulness is to be found in the camera composition within a single shot. Stuff like that. And I think what people are used to now is the highly edited, very quick cutting pace of commercials and MTV and network television. We’re setting out not to do that. So that’s one thing.

The other thing though, obviously, is I don’t want to bore everybody. And so that’s what I’m trying to figure out: What part of the pacing issue is something that I think is fair and legitimate for the show. And I would like people to just hang with it and get used to it, because I think once you’re in the rhythm, it all works. And how much is just too slow, I mean literally too boring? It’s interesting. When you say pacing, what are you thinking? What do you mean exactly?

AVC: I guess I would say how swiftly the story is moving forward.

HB: See, that’s a separate issue, and I agree with you. I think that’s really what it is. What I told the network the other day is that it’s the storytelling pacing. And that is something that I can change up a little bit in the second season.

AVC: You mostly filmed this in one building, right?

HB: Yeah, all the stuff that takes place inside API is in a building, and Will’s apartment is also inside that building. Everything else we film is out in the world somewhere in New York City.

AVC: What are the benefits and drawbacks of having everything in an old office building?

HB: The only drawbacks—and we’ve kind of figured our way through them better than we thought we would—the drawbacks are, it is not a soundstage. So practically speaking, you’ve got issues like, the walls don’t move and you can’t put lights up high above the ceiling and elevators aren’t designed to carry lots of guys with heavy equipment up and down, that kind of stuff. But we’ve kind of figured that out. We’re doing okay. I did another show called Homicide, years ago, where we had a very similar set-up. We had a building, and it was the same thing. It worked great. One of the advantages is the look and the reality of it, so I really liked it. It’s right there on the East River. You see the river, and you see the cars going by outside the windows. That’s pretty odd and strange and beautiful.

AVC: What are some other influences you drew from in making this show, other than the ’70s political and conspiracy thrillers?

HB: There was that. A little bit John Le Carré, Graham Greene, a little bit of the BBC, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy—which, if you think we’re slow, you can go back and look at that. [Laugh.] Which I did. And even I, who loves slow, thought it was a little much. But I would say that kind of stuff.

AVC: The show has a healthy skepticism of all facets of the American political system. What would you say the show’s politics are?

HB: I think just what you said: deep skepticism. Which probably is not all that odd right now. I think the extreme version... Well, I don’t know what the Tea Party thing is, really, but it’s certainly some kind of reaction to the institutions in place. That was similar to back in the early ’70s after Watergate, after Vietnam, after the Pentagon Papers, when it was clear to everybody that they’d been lied to consistently by the best and the brightest. I don’t have as good a take on what’s going on now as I think I did then. Partly I understood it better, partly I was part of it more, I think. What’s going on now, frankly, is sort of odd to me. I think what’s going on now represents some deeper divide in our collective political consciousness that we’re going to have to deal with down the road. It probably goes back to the Civil War.

AVC: Did you have any say in casting? It would seem like you wouldn’t, since the pilot was filmed before you came on.

HB: Some of the characters had been cast, and I, thank God, liked them all a lot. Others were created by me after I came on and we filmed. The pilot is about a third, maybe more, new stuff. So I cast Michael Cristofer, for instance, and people liked that. But to answer your question, of the people that had already been cast that we kept, I think they’re all terrific.

AVC: How did you end up working with Michael Cristofer, who was apparently a writer before?

HB: And a good writer too! My casting director, who is brilliant, Mele Nagler, said, “I have one guy I want you to read for this part because I have a feeling you’re going to want him.” And he came over. He was in a play on Broadway, and he walked across the street after his matinee and read a scene with me and I said, “Yup, you’re right. He’s the guy.” So I never even read anyone else for that. He’s really incredible at this. And I love that people don’t really know who he is. He’s on stage in New York all the time, and as a writer, he’s done stuff that people know, he’s won a Pulitzer Prize for God’s sake [for the play The Shadow Box]. My joke is, I should be working for him. But he just grabbed this character and ran with it. It’s been great.

AVC: I also really like Arliss Howard as Kale Ingram. You said that part has shifted some. In what direction?

HB: Oh, for instance, the character wasn’t gay originally. I don’t know where that came from, but it did. It’s worked, I think. It’s been really interesting. He was sort of a cipher at the beginning, intentionally, I think, on their part. But when I started asking questions, there hadn’t been much thought to him beyond the cipher, so I had to sort of invent stuff, which was fun, to fill it out. And then there’s Roger Robinson as Ed Bancroft, who was not in the original pilot. It was strange, there was a version of the character, played by another actor, another good actor, who died in the interim, and Roger was a friend of his, a close friend. Because you know, in the New York theater world, they’re all kind of buddies. It was very odd, he sort of took over his friend’s role and we kind of reinvented who the character was together, and it was all very strange and interesting.

AVC: James Badge Dale, at the center of the show, spends a lot of time staring at things and thinking intently. How do you write to a performance like that?

HB: [Laughs.] This is what I’ve been talking about all day. What I’m hoping is that he won’t have to be doing as much staring and thinking next season. Part of it was… It’s built into this damn material. If you’re trying to figure out some kind of conspiracy in which the only clues you’ve got are basically things, or written things—even worse, like a code—by definition, you’re kind of snooping around, looking through drawers and then reading. [Laughs.] So that’s why you end up with Badge Dale staring at things all the time. We just worked on his character, and he took it from there. I think he does it pretty well, actually.

AVC: So you’ve been in New York for quite a while, instead of Los Angeles.

HB: Well, I’ve been in and out of New York. I did a show called Brotherhood for Showtime for five years in Providence, Rhode Island, and we cast a lot out of New York, and then Homicide was down in Baltimore, and we did the same. And now I’m actually here here, and I love it. I’ve always loved it. All those shows benefitted immensely. You couldn’t have done them if you’d tried to shoot them in L.A.

AVC: What is it about those East Coast locations that make them better for shows like this?

HB: There’s a specific reality to them. So for Baltimore and Homicide, which was about homicide detectives, real ones, based on a terrific book by David Simon, just plopping them down in that beat-to-shit city added half a story. Same with Brotherhood, about working class Irishmen, basically, that dwindling, vanishing tribe. Providence is all about half of what’s vanished: all those closed factories and the streets, the working-class houses. You can’t make that stuff. Here in New York, it’s the specificity of New York urban existence. We try to avoid all of the known icons. We’re not ever going to show the Statue Of Liberty. We shoot mostly in the south half of the island. People really like that. I’ve gotten lots of letters and comments saying how much they like seeing all these different parts of New York. It just gives it a very specific feel.

AVC: How involved has AMC been in the thrust of the show?

HB: It’s the same with all the networks. They listen to what you want to do, and they tell you what they like and they tell you what they don’t like. Adamantly. [Laughs.] And then sometimes you get into huge fights, and sometimes you lose them and sometimes you win them. They’ve been good, though, overall. They’re very supportive of the whole enterprise. We’ll see. I’m waiting now to see if they’re going to take the leap and give us a second season.

AVC: Do you think the odds are good? Or not?

HB: I don’t know. I really don’t know. The numbers have been good. For AMC, very good in a lot of ways. Much better than the first season of either Breaking Bad or Mad Men. That’s really positive. The reviews and critical reception and the buzz has been really good so they like that, of course. It skews a little old demographically, which is a puzzlement for them. I’m not sure what it means either, so that might be an issue because of advertising. But that’s it. There’s been no big problem. It’s just them figuring out what to do. They’ve developed three new shows, pilots, at least one of which is guaranteed to go on the air. So I’m sure they’re sitting around trying to balance everything they can afford and can’t afford to do.

AVC: Where are we headed in these last few episodes?

HB: The momentum picks up, as you’ll be glad to hear. The strands of the personal stories that we’ve been following and then the spy story that the team has been working on and, in fact, without giving away too much, the conspiracy that Will has been pursuing start to intertwine.

keg in kc
10-18-2010, 02:26 PM
Now that was a random ending.

unlurking
10-18-2010, 06:40 PM
Did not feel like a season finale at all.

Buck
10-22-2010, 06:47 PM
Was that last episode where Spangler left the roof and Will saw the 4 leaf clover the season finale?

What the hell?

I figured Spangler would be arrested or killed and that would be the end of the season/series and I was also thinking how would they do a second season, but at least now there might be storyline for a second season. I don't know if it will get picked up though.

Buck
10-22-2010, 06:49 PM
Yeah, definitely watch it. Rubicon gets better and better as the season goes along, when it becomes less concerned about the political conspiracy storyline and more concerned with being a show about how the intelligence field affects the people that work in it.

I would say that both aspects stayed pretty even throughout the entire run, maybe save 2 episodes where it was all about Will.

Buck
11-12-2010, 03:24 PM
CANCELED!

FUCKING LAME!

I believe this is the only AMC Original Drama to ever be canceled. Not like they've had many original drama's.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/amc-cancels-rubicon

Reaper16
11-12-2010, 07:15 PM
noooooooooooooooooooooo

irishjayhawk
11-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Why is everyone shocked at this?

Rubicon was a dead show walking when the creator departed after ep 1. They just had the courtesy to continue it. And they did a hell of a job with it, apparently.

But did you guys actually think it would get a second season.


And, if it makes you feel better, I hardly consider it a cancellation rather than a non-renewal. Even the showrunner was suggesting he didn't know where to go with the story but if pushed could decide.

Buck
11-12-2010, 09:05 PM
Why is everyone shocked at this?

Rubicon was a dead show walking when the creator departed after ep 1. They just had the courtesy to continue it. And they did a hell of a job with it, apparently.

But did you guys actually think it would get a second season.


And, if it makes you feel better, I hardly consider it a cancellation rather than a non-renewal. Even the showrunner was suggesting he didn't know where to go with the story but if pushed could decide.

Who said we are shocked?

irishjayhawk
11-12-2010, 09:06 PM
Fine, poor word choice.

Upset.

Buck
11-12-2010, 09:08 PM
Fine, poor word choice.

Upset.

Why am I upset?

Because it was an awesome show that didn't get the credit it deserved.

Although the thing about the showrunner only having one season planned is sort of lame. If it came back and had a shitty second season that would only ruin the lore. I just wish it would have gotten a chance for a second season. IIRC, it had similar numbers to both the first season of Mad Men and Breaking Bad.

irishjayhawk
11-12-2010, 09:12 PM
The show runner only having one season planned is because he wasn't the show runner to start with, I think.

Buck
11-12-2010, 09:18 PM
The show runner only having one season planned is because he wasn't the show runner to start with, I think.

Oh yeah, you are right. I remember reading that long interview earlier on AV Club or something. He changed a bunch of stuff like adding Truxton Spangler (wasn't in the pilot and wasn't even going to be a character) and he made Kale Ingram gay (I'm not sure but Kale Ingram seemed like he was the bad guy in the first episode, so obviously he changed that).

Reaper16
11-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Fine, poor word choice.

Upset.
You're suggesting that I not get upset when good shows are canceled?

Buck
11-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Okay, so the chick, Andy, who is Will Travers neighbor/temporary GF/Katherine Rhumor caretaker...

I never knew this but on another forum they are saying that she could be seen in the Atlas McDowell office building, so it makes more sense as to why she was with Katherine Rhumor just before her death (at the hands of Clay Davis, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit).

Buck
11-12-2010, 09:26 PM
I just hope they don't skimp on the extras for the DVD/Blu-Ray

Since we get no more of this show, I want as much on those discs as possible.

irishjayhawk
11-12-2010, 09:44 PM
You're suggesting that I not get upset when good shows are canceled?

When it's expected, yes. When they're surprisingly cancelled, no.

Buck
11-12-2010, 10:01 PM
When it's expected, yes. When they're surprisingly cancelled, no.

You are in need of a Marty Schottenheimer speech. There may have only been a sliver of hope, but you have to hold onto that hope and never let it go.

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Reaper16
11-12-2010, 10:11 PM
When it's expected, yes. When they're surprisingly cancelled, no.
That's absurd. That actually doesn't make any sense.

Everyone expected Party Down to get canceled, and I'm still upset about it. If a show gets canceled for reasons that have little do with its quality than I get upset and I see nothing wrong with getting upset. Furthermore, there's a laundry list of shows that were expected to be canceled and, miraculously, weren't. Think: Friday Night Lights after season one (and then two) or The Wire after season 2 (and then season 3). If they would have been canceled, you're telling me that I would have been in the wrong to have been upset?

Let's take this idea that expected bad outcomes aren't worth getting upset about and pull it into the realm of sports. According to your posts in this thread today, irish, you should never, ever get upset about Matt Cassel ever again.

Brock
11-12-2010, 10:18 PM
That's unfortunate.

irishjayhawk
11-12-2010, 10:22 PM
That's absurd. That actually doesn't make any sense.

Everyone expected Party Down to get canceled, and I'm still upset about it. If a show gets canceled for reasons that have little do with its quality than I get upset and I see nothing wrong with getting upset. Furthermore, there's a laundry list of shows that were expected to be canceled and, miraculously, weren't. Think: Friday Night Lights after season one (and then two) or The Wire after season 2 (and then season 3). If they would have been canceled, you're telling me that I would have been in the wrong to have been upset?

Let's take this idea that expected bad outcomes aren't worth getting upset about and pull it into the realm of sports. According to your posts in this thread today, irish, you should never, ever get upset about Matt Cassel ever again.

Fair points.

Rescinded.

I want to keep my Cassel hate.