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HonestChieffan
06-09-2010, 08:29 PM
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Obama urges Israel work with all parties on Gaza
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Wed Jun 9, 2010 4:25pm EDT
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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama called on Israel on Wednesday to work with all parties to find a solution for Gaza and said the United States is providing $400 million in new aid for the Palestinians.

WORLD | POLITICS | BARACK OBAMA

In remarks made as he met Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Obama called on Israel to curb settlement activity and on the Palestinians to prevent any actions that could incite confrontation.

Abbas visited the White House amid an international backlash against Israel after its forces boarded a Turkish aid ship bound for the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip on May 31. Nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed.

Abbas, speaking after Obama, called on Israel to lift its "siege" on the Palestinian people.

Obama called the situation in Gaza unsustainable and said it was important to get all the facts out about the flotilla incident.

Obama said he would make a statement later in the day about the U.N. Security Council's vote to approve new sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

Donger
06-09-2010, 08:34 PM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

HonestChieffan
06-09-2010, 08:36 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Donger
06-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I don't disagree, particularly when our debt just exceeded our GDP. We are broke, and we should cut off ALL foreign aid now.

cannon1988
06-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right.

No, but two rights make a right; therefore, this is right.

Good job, Obama (and Bush for that matter).

headsnap
06-09-2010, 08:40 PM
No, but two rights make a right; therefore, this is right.


two rights make a U-turn...



one right short...

Saul Good
06-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Three rights make a left.

mlyonsd
06-09-2010, 08:44 PM
I don't understand the knee jerk response of paying off the Palesitinans for trying to break a blockade.

headsnap
06-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Three rights make a left.

DOH!!! This thread had me thinking of wrongs... :banghead:

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 08:54 PM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

Who are you and what have you done with Donger.

Donger
06-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Who are you and what have you done with Donger.

Facts are facts, even when they are unpleasant.

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:02 PM
Facts are facts, even when they are unpleasant.

Who are you and what have you done with Donger.

Donger
06-09-2010, 09:04 PM
Who are you and what have you done with Donger.

Perhaps you are confusing me with another poster, but facts and I have never been strangers.

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Perhaps you are confusing me with another poster, but facts and I have never been strangers.

Theeeeere's the Donger I'm used to.

Donger
06-09-2010, 09:14 PM
Theeeeere's the Donger I'm used to.

I take it from your avatar that you support the Palestinians and a Palestinian homeland within Israel? If so, may I ask why?

Saul Good
06-09-2010, 09:15 PM
Green for Palestine?

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:16 PM
Green for Palestine?

I lean black for symbolic reasons. But they regard all four colors equally important, like we do with red, white, and blue.

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:18 PM
I take it from your avatar that you support the Palestinians and a Palestinian homeland within Israel? If so, may I ask why?

I'm willing to have this conversation with just about anybody on the board except you. Sorry.

Donger
06-09-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm willing to have this conversation with just about anybody on the board except you. Sorry.

I can't fathom why not, but that's fine, Helen.

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:19 PM
I can't fathom why not, but that's fine, Helen.

That's pretty much why.

Donger
06-09-2010, 09:21 PM
That's pretty much why.

Of course it is. You either think that the Jewish state has a right to exist or you do not. These are pretty simple questions.

go bowe
06-09-2010, 09:35 PM
i really don't know if the jewish state has a right to exist, but i'm very sure that they will continue to exist no matter what...

the arab states and the palestinians haven't been able to dislodge the israelis after numerous wars and decades of terrorism and there's no reason to think they will be able to in the future...

Donger
06-09-2010, 09:39 PM
i really don't know if the jewish state has a right to exist, but i'm very sure that they will continue to exist no matter what...

the arab states and the palestinians haven't been able to dislodge the israelis after numerous wars and decades of terrorism and there's no reason to think they will be able to in the future...

The United Nations says that the Jewish State has and has had the right to exist for about 60 years.

Direckshun
06-09-2010, 09:42 PM
Of course it is. You either think that the Jewish state has a right to exist or you do not. These are pretty simple questions.

k

BucEyedPea
06-09-2010, 10:02 PM
The United Nations says that the Jewish State has and has had the right to exist for about 60 years.

Would you allow the United Nations to determine what land is ours should there be a dispute?

Silly!

Land get's held through force with a clear winner not due to any right. Just look at the map through history and all the migrations.

I think you Rs need to make up your minds if the UN is good to follow or bad to follow. Y'all sound confused.

BucEyedPea
06-09-2010, 10:04 PM
America has always funded both sides of this conflict. This is nothing new....although I don't like it one bit!

Donger
06-09-2010, 10:17 PM
k

Well, do you have an opinion or not?

BucEyedPea
06-10-2010, 12:27 AM
Well, do you have an opinion or not?

WTF, another question? Gawdayum Donger!

Song sung by Donger's kids:

Oh, do you know the Question Man,
The Question Man, The Question Man,
Oh, do you know the muffin man,
That lives on [Drury Lane]? [insert his street name]

Oh, yes, I know the Question Man,
The Question Man, Question Man, ,
Oh, yes, I know the Question Man, ,
That lives on [Drury Lane].

Bill Parcells
06-10-2010, 12:32 AM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

Hamas ( a terrorist organization) has been governing the Palestinians since 2006. can you see the difference now?

ROFL

what a fucking joke.

Bill Parcells
06-10-2010, 12:36 AM
The United States is financially supporting a terrorist government whose people were cheering gleefully after 9/11. Obama is a joke. this will all come back to bite him in his ass.

T-post Tom
06-10-2010, 12:40 AM
Your tax dollars indeed. That amount pales in comparison to the tens of billions in subsidies and tax breaks given to big oil by the US government.

alpha_omega
06-10-2010, 09:07 AM
Might as well make it a billion. We can just print some more, right?

Hydrae
06-10-2010, 09:42 AM
I don't disagree, particularly when our debt just exceeded our GDP. We are broke, and we should cut off ALL foreign aid now.

Completely agree. When I am behind on my bills I am not giving to charity. That is the reality in my world, it would be nice if DC saw things that way once in a while.

ForeverChiefs58
06-10-2010, 09:44 AM
Your tax dollars indeed. That amount pales in comparison to the tens of billions in subsidies and tax breaks given to big oil by the US government.

let me know when big oil straps a bomb to its chest and blows up a bus with school children on it.

Bill Parcells
06-10-2010, 09:52 AM
let me know when big oil straps a bomb to its chest and blows up a bus with school children on it.

But, aren't the Republicans and big oil the terrorists? lol (insert liberal mind set here)

Hog Farmer
06-10-2010, 10:43 AM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

Yeah, But didn't Bush give it to them in the form of led from the Isreali army.

Bill Parcells
06-11-2010, 07:43 AM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

Hamas ( a terrorist organization) has been governing the Palestinians since 2006. can you see the difference now?

ROFL

what a ****ing joke.

Bump! for the Sigmund Freud of ChiefsPlanet ;)

Donger
06-11-2010, 01:21 PM
Bump! for the Sigmund Freud of ChiefsPlanet ;)

I thought Hamas was only in control of Gaza.

Bill Parcells
06-11-2010, 02:03 PM
I thought Hamas was only in control of Gaza.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html

Jubilant Hamas leaders reiterated Thursday that they had no plans to pursue peace talks or disarm the party's armed wing, a condition Israel has set for beginning negotiations under the road map.

And we gave them 400 million with this kind of attitude? under Bush, no. under Obama, yes...lol..what a joke!

Donger
06-11-2010, 02:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html



And we gave them 400 million with this kind of attitude? under Bush, no. under Obama, yes...lol..what a joke!

I was just reading that under Bush after the 2006 elections, we only gave money directly to Abbas. I don't know if that has changed under Obama.

go bowe
06-11-2010, 07:03 PM
The United Nations says that the Jewish State has and has had the right to exist for about 60 years.hah, everybody knows the u.n. is a bunch of commies stealing us blind...

who cares what they have to say about it?

what does glenn or rush or shaun say about it?

or even more importantly, what does ms. palin have to say about it?

oh, ok, if you say so...

go bowe
06-11-2010, 07:04 PM
I thought Hamas was only in control of Gaza.me too...

did the article say anything about giving money to hamas?

i was under the impression that the money was going to abbas and the palestinian authority...

patteeu
06-11-2010, 09:06 PM
IIRC, Bush gave the PA something like $300 million in 2003. I don't like either, but I also don't think that this is anything new.

Not that I agree with the Bush policy either, but there are some key differences between his initiative and that of the current administration. Bush was directing aid to moderate elements of the PA when they were in control of the palestinian territories. Gaza is now under the control of the more extreme Hamas and it's not at all clear that the aid can be provided without having the effect of strengthening their grip on power.

The second distinction is that the Palestinians with which Bush was working were making efforts to thwart attacks on Israel and arrest extremists (at least on the surface). What is Obama getting in return for this aid other than sending another message to current Israeli leadership that America is no longer a reliable ally?

patteeu
06-11-2010, 09:14 PM
I thought Hamas was only in control of Gaza.

This aid is for Gaza. And while we are apparently giving it to Abbas, it's still ultimately going to Hamas-controlled Gaza.

ClevelandBronco
06-11-2010, 11:41 PM
I know the discussion has moved beyond the OP, but to return to the thread title for just a moment, I don't think our tax dollars are going anywhere. We're spending some other future generation's tax dollars now.

The Mad Crapper
06-14-2010, 07:13 AM
Shouldn't the FBI be arresting all of us who pay taxes for supporting terror?

ClevelandBronco
06-14-2010, 12:07 PM
Shouldn't the FBI be arresting all of us who pay taxes for supporting terror?

I wish I'd asked that question.

go bowe
06-14-2010, 04:49 PM
Shouldn't the FBI be arresting all of us who pay taxes for supporting terror?this is like talking to a ghost, but here goes...

why are you paying taxes to support terror?

don't you love america?

Dylan
06-15-2010, 01:11 AM
The White House handed the Islamic Republic of Iran its greatest victory by offering to provide $400 million of humanitarian aid to Hamas controlled Gaza.


The Haaretz

Iranian aid ships set sail for Gaza
By Reuters

Published 15:01 14.06.10 Latest update 15:01 14.06.10

One ship left port on Sunday with another to depart by Friday, loaded with food, construction material and toys, Iran media say.

Iran is sending aid ships to blockaded Gaza, state radio said on Monday - a move likely to be considered provocative by Israel which accuses Tehran of arming the Palestinian enclave's Islamist rulers, Hamas.

One ship left port on Sunday and another will depart by Friday, loaded with food, construction material and toys, the report said. The boats would be part of international efforts to break Israel's isolation of the Gaza Strip.

"Until the end of the Gaza blockade, Iran will continue to ship aid," said an official at Iran's Society for the Defense of the Palestinian Nation.

While Israel has long suspected Iran, which rejects the Israel's right to exist, of supplying weapons to Hamas, Tehran says it only provides moral support
to the group.

Israeli troops two weeks ago boarded a flotilla of Turkish aid ships heading to Gaza on May 31 and killed nine pro-Palestinian activists, most of them Turks.

Public opinion in Muslim countries was outraged by the killings. An official of the Iranian Red Crescent Society's youth organization said some 100,000 Iranians had volunteered as potential crew for aid ships, Iran daily reported.

A senior Iranian official said earlier Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards were ready to provide a military escort to aid ships heading to Gaza if Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei so commands.

But the Guards' deputy head, Hossein Salami, said there were no plans to do so. "Such a thing is not on our agenda," he was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency on Monday.

Any such military mobilization would risk a major confrontation with Israel, which fears Iran's nuclear enrichment program is aimed at developing atomic bombs.

Israel regards Iran's nuclear ambitions as a mortal threat. Iran says its nuclear program is meant solely to yield electricity or isotopes for medicine and agriculture.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iranian-aid-ships-set-sail-for-gaza-1.296120