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dirk digler
06-10-2010, 04:46 PM
Just to balance things out a little bit

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_610.pdf

2012 President
46% Obama, 44% Huckabee
50% Obama, 41% Palin
47% Obama, 39% Gingrich
46% Obama, 36% Paul
45% Obama, 42% Romney

Obama Job Approval
48% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Favorable / Unfavorable
Mike Huckabee: 27 / 31
Sarah Palin: 34 / 53
Newt Gingrich: 28 / 46
Ron Paul: 22 / 36
Mitt Romney: 31 / 36

vailpass
06-10-2010, 05:19 PM
LMAO

Brainiac
06-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Bread and circuses.

HonestChieffan
06-10-2010, 05:32 PM
95% of the blacks said they approve. Can that be explained?

go bowe
06-10-2010, 05:36 PM
maybe 95% of blacks are democrats?

HonestChieffan
06-10-2010, 05:40 PM
maybe 95% of blacks are democrats?

Could be. Seems odd though

FD
06-10-2010, 06:17 PM
Hard to believe those numbers right now, during this gulf oil crisis, right after a horrible jobs report. Not saying its wrong, just seems strange.

dirk digler
06-10-2010, 06:31 PM
Hard to believe those numbers right now, during this gulf oil crisis, right after a horrible jobs report. Not saying its wrong, just seems strange.

Not really considering who they have him projected running against.

Direckshun
06-10-2010, 08:06 PM
The fact that Obama vs. Palin isn't 100% to 0% in favor of Obama is staggering.

Chiefshrink
06-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Dirk my man! The best thing going for the Repubs is that there is no real clear leader for the party which means it is hard for the Radical Marxist Progressive Dems to locate a clear target to shoot(Alinskyize) at continually to this point. Hopefully it will stay this way for awhile. This is why this poll irrelevant IMO.

How about a wager? That Obama is 1 termer. I will bet all my casino cash that I have at the time of the 2012 election. What do you say?????????? My history is not good, I lost a draft bet with Hamas that we would take Curry at 5.

Come on man!!!

Direckshun
06-10-2010, 10:10 PM
Dirk my man! The best thing going for the Repubs is that there is no real clear leader for the party which means it is hard for the Radical Marxist Progressive Dems to locate a clear target to shoot(Alinskyize) at continually to this point. Hopefully it will stay this way for awhile. This is why this poll irrelevant IMO.

How about a wager? That Obama is 1 termer. I will bet all my casino cash that I have at the time of the 2012 election. What do you say?????????? My history is not good, I lost a draft bet with Hamas that we would take Curry at 5.

Come on man!!!

I'll raise the stakes.

If Obama loses reelection, I will never post again in this forum.

If he wins reelection, you will never post again in this forum.

Deal?

|Zach|
06-10-2010, 10:30 PM
This isn't surprising. There is a fight for the soul of the GOP going on and the big winner in that war will probably be the Dems.

If you guys think you can prop up any old gaffe machine to win this thing like you tried last time you will be pretty disappointed.

Chiefshrink
06-10-2010, 10:37 PM
I'll raise the stakes.

If Obama loses reelection, I will never post again in this forum.

If he wins reelection, you will never post again in this forum.

Deal?

You are either looking for a way out because you can't debate the actual facts and you are getting weery or you want me out because the facts and truth hurts.

You are on!!!!:thumb:

But seriously I don't want you out of this forum if I win because I truly believe that the light bulb (although dim at this point) is starting to come on for you. You aren't just letting on because of ego.

dirk digler
06-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Dirk my man! The best thing going for the Repubs is that there is no real clear leader for the party which means it is hard for the Radical Marxist Progressive Dems to locate a clear target to shoot(Alinskyize) at continually to this point. Hopefully it will stay this way for awhile. This is why this poll irrelevant IMO.

How about a wager? That Obama is 1 termer. I will bet all my casino cash that I have at the time of the 2012 election. What do you say?????????? My history is not good, I lost a draft bet with Hamas that we would take Curry at 5.

Come on man!!!

Hit me up in 2012 and we can make a friendly bet for beer. :D

There is too much time left to make any kind of bet.

HerculesRockefell
06-11-2010, 07:22 AM
If someone were to bump this thread 2 years from now, I'd bet that no one on that list will be the Republican nominee.

BucEyedPea
06-11-2010, 10:37 AM
If someone were to bump this thread 2 years from now, I'd bet that no one on that list will be the Republican nominee.

Or the people are so angry that a third party enters and WINS!
Or if the 3P candidate loses it will help the Rs! ( Ugh! Then a war with Iran. What an effin' toss up!)

fan4ever
06-11-2010, 10:48 AM
I can't believe this has to be explained again. No wonder this guy won. His electorate.

LOCOChief
06-11-2010, 10:56 AM
The fact that Obama vs. Palin isn't 100% to 0% in favor of Obama is staggering.

I just don’t understand this thinking.

On one hand you have Obama who is a radical Muslim POS. Wasn’t born in the US, hangs out and associates with radicals whom HATE the United States and his primary focus are to strip us of our liberties.

On the other hand you have a hot, smart, god loving mother and wife with integrity. In fact those who question her integrity can never seem to give justification for their criticisms of her.

Even though Palin would not be the best candidate for president of this country, she would be a hell of a lot better than the dipshit we have in there now.

talastan
06-11-2010, 11:03 AM
If someone were to bump this thread 2 years from now, I'd bet that no one on that list will be the Republican nominee.

Paul Ryan!! He is an up and coming guy in the House and IMO would have the best shot at it. Obama did do something amazing in that he has redefined the typical POTUS canidate. You'll have to have almost rockstar like status to get a nomination now. Policies alone won't get you the support from the party. JMO though.

Taco John
06-11-2010, 11:07 AM
The fact that Obama vs. Palin isn't 100% to 0% in favor of Obama is staggering.


What's the difference?

LOCOChief
06-11-2010, 11:10 AM
What's the difference?

Palin has integrity.

dirk digler
06-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Palin has integrity.

By having affairs, stealing money from Alaska, corruption, getting boob jobs and lying about her baby? You call that integrity? ;)

BucEyedPea
06-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Even though Palin would not be the best candidate for president of this country, she would be a hell of a lot better than the dipshit we have in there now.

IMO not if she's aligned with the NeoCons, which she is. There would be another war—with Iran.

|Zach|
06-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Palin is a quitter.

And that is really the best of her criticisms. It only gets worse from there.

SNR
06-11-2010, 04:51 PM
I just don’t understand this thinking.

On one hand you have Obama who is a radical Muslim POS. Wasn’t born in the US, hangs out and associates with radicals whom HATE the United States and his primary focus are to strip us of our liberties.

On the other hand you have a hot, smart, god loving mother and wife with integrity. In fact those who question her integrity can never seem to give justification for their criticisms of her.

Even though Palin would not be the best candidate for president of this country, she would be a hell of a lot better than the dipshit we have in there now.Uhhh.... okay

Calcountry
06-12-2010, 04:35 PM
Just to balance things out a little bit

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_610.pdf

2012 President
46% Obama, 44% Huckabee
50% Obama, 41% Palin
47% Obama, 39% Gingrich
46% Obama, 36% Paul
45% Obama, 42% Romney

Obama Job Approval
48% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Favorable / Unfavorable
Mike Huckabee: 27 / 31
Sarah Palin: 34 / 53
Newt Gingrich: 28 / 46
Ron Paul: 22 / 36
Mitt Romney: 31 / 36You know, you poor bastards have a problem in 2012. The Repubican nominee could go around shouting "change" "change" and 10 % of your base would vote for it. YOu don't have that card to play this time around. So, keep playing with your numbers.

Calcountry
06-12-2010, 04:45 PM
95% of the blacks said they approve. Can that be explained?Jackie Robinson effect. When JR broke into the major leagues, all African Americans were Dodger fans, enough said.

|Zach|
06-12-2010, 05:18 PM
You know, you poor bastards have a problem in 2012. The Repubican nominee could go around shouting "change" "change" and 10 % of your base would vote for it. YOu don't have that card to play this time around. So, keep playing with your numbers.

You're mistaken. What makes you think the GOP can put up someone who doesn't cough up the ball. Not...likely...

FD
06-12-2010, 08:20 PM
Jackie Robinson effect. When JR broke into the major leagues, all African Americans were Dodger fans, enough said.

Its pretty standard, and its not because of Obama. John Kerry got roughly 90% of the black vote.

HonestChieffan
06-12-2010, 10:47 PM
By having affairs, stealing money from Alaska, corruption, getting boob jobs and lying about her baby? You call that integrity? ;)

Why not add selling dope to school kids?

LOCOChief
06-13-2010, 07:07 AM
By having affairs, stealing money from Alaska, corruption, getting boob jobs and lying about her baby? You call that integrity? ;)

Everything that you stated is made up bullshit.
If she had stole from Alaska don't you think she'd be in prison by now the way the left goes after her?

And how the hell did she lie about her baby? Are yoiu saying it isn't hers?

How the **** do you know she had an affair?

God you liberal pricks are pussies.. I heard your a serial child rapist, does that make it true?

dirk digler
06-13-2010, 08:25 AM
Everything that you stated is made up bullshit.
If she had stole from Alaska don't you think she'd be in prison by now the way the left goes after her?

And how the hell did she lie about her baby? Are yoiu saying it isn't hers?

How the **** do you know she had an affair?

God you liberal pricks are pussies.. I heard your a serial child rapist, does that make it true?

Hey Loco my response about Palin was pretty much a parody of your stupid post at #18. You seem to have no problem believing all the lies thrown out about Obama which pretty much shows how smart you are. No wonder you like Palin.

stevieray
06-13-2010, 09:59 AM
Dirk still hung up over Palin?

shocking.

HonestChieffan
06-13-2010, 10:23 AM
Hey Loco my response about Palin was pretty much a parody of your stupid post at #18. You seem to have no problem believing all the lies thrown out about Obama which pretty much shows how smart you are. No wonder you like Palin.

It would be nice if you would point out when you are pretending to be stupid so people dont overreact.

dirk digler
06-13-2010, 11:17 AM
It would be nice if you would point out when you are pretending to be stupid so people dont overreact.

I didn't think it wasn't too hard to figure out with the ;). But then again..

vailpass
06-13-2010, 01:35 PM
LOL at obama supporters. In too deep to admit how wrong they were, how badly they were duped.

|Zach|
06-13-2010, 02:43 PM
LOL at obama supporters. In too deep to admit how wrong they were, how badly they were duped.

LOL @ people that really think all they need to do is prop "anyone" up in 2012 to win.

go bowe
06-13-2010, 02:49 PM
2012 will be an interesting race, but i don't see anyone (yet) who can defeat the marxist progressive in the white house now (hee hee, maybe it should be called the black house)...

vailpass
06-13-2010, 03:18 PM
LOL @ people that really think all they need to do is prop "anyone" up in 2012 to win.

I notice you didn't comment on my post. How do you feel about obama Zach, is he the POTUS you thought he would be when you voted for him?

vailpass
06-13-2010, 03:19 PM
2012 will be an interesting race, but i don't see anyone (yet) who can defeat the marxist progressive in the white house now (hee hee, maybe it should be called the black house)...

Ouch. Please don't say that.

|Zach|
06-13-2010, 05:10 PM
I notice you didn't comment on my post. How do you feel about obama Zach, is he the POTUS you thought he would be when you voted for him?

My expectations were absolutely realistic about the guy. I think some of his economic moves were more necessary than some would like to admit and will turn out ok. He hasn't done anything wacky foreign policy wise. He spent a lot of political capital on what many thought was the third rail of politics...health care.

I really think the guy has done just fine. I don't think it helps having Reid and Pelosi in there.

In McCain vs Obama there absolutely isn't anything resembling buyer's remorse. Maybe it is because I was interested and tuned into politics long before he came along. I don't really see the federal government as my savior. It hasn't done a lot to help me (except for the basics of course roads, infrastructure, aqueducts lol) and it hasn't done anything to hurt me or my business.

I am surprised more people don't get involved in local politics.

dirk digler
06-13-2010, 05:45 PM
My expectations were absolutely realistic about the guy. I think some of his economic moves were more necessary than some would like to admit and will turn out ok. He hasn't done anything wacky foreign policy wise. He spent a lot of political capital on what many thought was the third rail of politics...health care.

I really think the guy has done just fine. I don't think it helps having Reid and Pelosi in there.

In McCain vs Obama there absolutely isn't anything resembling buyer's remorse. Maybe it is because I was interested and tuned into politics long before he came along. I don't really see the federal government as my savior. It hasn't done a lot to help me (except for the basics of course roads, infrastructure, aqueducts lol) and it hasn't done anything to hurt me or my business.

I am surprised more people don't get involved in local politics.

Excellent post Zach and that is exactly what I was about to post. I knew what I was getting when I voted for Obama and I knew he wasn't going to be perfect and he would struggle at times. I definitely don't have buyer's remorse and would vote for him again over McCain in a heartbeat.

What I didn't count on and was probably duped was how awful the Dem Congress has been. They have been by far the biggest failure and that lays on Pelosi and dumbass Reid.

Of course what I don't understand is vali has asked this question about a hundred times and he always gets the same answer. I don't why he keeps asking unless he has some kind of learning disability. Also I find interesting that he is holding the people who voted for Obama to a different standard than he held himself or Bush voters. He had no problem supporting most every thing Bush did for those shitty 8 years. I bet vali doesn't regret ever voting for Bush or supporting him.

vailpass
06-14-2010, 12:54 PM
Excellent post Zach and that is exactly what I was about to post. I knew what I was getting when I voted for Obama and I knew he wasn't going to be perfect and he would struggle at times. I definitely don't have buyer's remorse and would vote for him again over McCain in a heartbeat.

What I didn't count on and was probably duped was how awful the Dem Congress has been. They have been by far the biggest failure and that lays on Pelosi and dumbass Reid.

Of course what I don't understand is vali has asked this question about a hundred times and he always gets the same answer. I don't why he keeps asking unless he has some kind of learning disability. Also I find interesting that he is holding the people who voted for Obama to a different standard than he held himself or Bush voters. He had no problem supporting most every thing Bush did for those shitty 8 years. I bet vali doesn't regret ever voting for Bush or supporting him.

I don't get the same answer, not even close. BRC's answer is nothing like Zach's, nor are most of the other responses I have received. I ask the question because obama has failed to deliver on many issues and I'm curious to see if people that voted for him feel decieved.

Even you and Zach can't give obama a ringing endorsement. "I didn't expect as much out of him as some people" and "well, he's better than McCain (I think)" are as good as it gets.

Then "obama is fine, it's Reid and Pelosi and the Dem majority." Question: who the hell do you think is responsible for leading them and utilizing such a large majority?

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 01:40 PM
Also I find interesting that he is holding the people who voted for Obama to a different standard than he held himself or Bush voters. He had no problem supporting most every thing Bush did for those shitty 8 years. I bet vali doesn't regret ever voting for Bush or supporting him.

What I find comical are those that held Bush's feet to the fire for every little minute thing he did but now just have a 'they all do it' or 'look the other way' mentalilty when the idiot currently in charge does some of the same things. Even worse.

Chief Faithful
06-14-2010, 01:58 PM
What I find comical are those that held Bush's feet to the fire for every little minute thing he did but now just have a 'they all do it' or 'look the other way' mentalilty when the idiot currently in charge does some of the same things. Even worse.

What is funnier is those that use Bush as the justification for the current idiocy.

thecoffeeguy
06-14-2010, 02:00 PM
My expectations were absolutely realistic about the guy. I think some of his economic moves were more necessary than some would like to admit and will turn out ok. He hasn't done anything wacky foreign policy wise. He spent a lot of political capital on what many thought was the third rail of politics...health care.

I really think the guy has done just fine. I don't think it helps having Reid and Pelosi in there.



:facepalm:

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 02:26 PM
:facepalm:

Hey, great take. Not everyone is smart enough to have parody avatars.

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 02:28 PM
I don't get the same answer, not even close. BRC's answer is nothing like Zach's, nor are most of the other responses I have received. I ask the question because obama has failed to deliver on many issues and I'm curious to see if people that voted for him feel decieved.

Even you and Zach can't give obama a ringing endorsement. "I didn't expect as much out of him as some people" and "well, he's better than McCain (I think)" are as good as it gets.

Then "obama is fine, it's Reid and Pelosi and the Dem majority." Question: who the hell do you think is responsible for leading them and utilizing such a large majority?

The quote in bold isn't at all representative of my post.

Aside from that...could you clarify your question?

Leading the Dems? The people? I am not sure what you are asking.

vailpass
06-14-2010, 03:42 PM
The quote in bold isn't at all representative of my post.

Aside from that...could you clarify your question?

Leading the Dems? The people? I am not sure what you are asking.

The bolded part wasn't in response to your post but to Dirk's statement: "would vote for him again over McCain in a heartbeat.

As to my question, Dirk stated he blamed Reid and Pelosi and the toothless Dem majority.
My (rhetorical) question was: who do you think is in charge of getting an overwhelming majority to pull in the same direction to get the things done you want to get done? Whose job is it to ride herd on buffoons like Pelosi and Reid?
The obvious answer is the POTUS. So to say you fault the Dem majority, Reid, Pelosi et al for the administrations continued failures but not obama just doesn't make sense.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 03:44 PM
I don't get the same answer, not even close. BRC's answer is nothing like Zach's, nor are most of the other responses I have received. I ask the question because obama has failed to deliver on many issues and I'm curious to see if people that voted for him feel decieved.

Even you and Zach can't give obama a ringing endorsement. "I didn't expect as much out of him as some people" and "well, he's better than McCain (I think)" are as good as it gets.

Then "obama is fine, it's Reid and Pelosi and the Dem majority." Question: who the hell do you think is responsible for leading them and utilizing such a large majority?

I don't know how much more of an endorsement you need when I said I would vote for him again in a heartbeat. I will probably vote for him again in 2012 if the leading R candidates are the same then as they are now. *(Of course I reserve the right to change my mind because I can't predict the future or I might be dead)

And yes I blame Reid and Pelosi and the Dem congress more than anybody because instead of falling in line they all bitched and moaned and passed watered down BS.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 03:45 PM
What I find comical are those that held Bush's feet to the fire for every little minute thing he did but now just have a 'they all do it' or 'look the other way' mentalilty when the idiot currently in charge does some of the same things. Even worse.

I wasn't one of those people. My biggest complaint about Bush was over Iraq.

thecoffeeguy
06-14-2010, 03:47 PM
Hey, great take. Not everyone is smart enough to have parody avatars.

Thank you. :D

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 03:53 PM
And just to clarify my falling in line comment because I know that will get me in some trouble.

When the Reps were in charge they all came together and passed legislation without much or any infighting.

The Dems on the other hand have super majorities and they have hardly done jack shit because of all the infighting. They wasted a huge opportunity and pretty much screwed themselves.

vailpass
06-14-2010, 04:09 PM
And just to clarify my falling in line comment because I know that will get me in some trouble.

When the Reps were in charge they all came together and passed legislation without much or any infighting.

The Dems on the other hand have super majorities and they have hardly done jack shit because of all the infighting. They wasted a huge opportunity and pretty much screwed themselves.

Agreed.

It takes a strong POTUS to get everyone to come together. obama is not that man.

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 04:14 PM
Agreed.

It takes a strong POTUS to get everyone to come together. obama is not that man.

Because passing healthcare reform is easy. Even if you don't agree with it most people thought it couldn't happen. Described as the third rail. Nobody is going to make everyone come together on some of this stuff. It is too easy to be contrarian.

thecoffeeguy
06-14-2010, 04:35 PM
Because passing healthcare reform is easy. Even if you don't agree with it most people thought it couldn't happen. Described as the third rail. Nobody is going to make everyone come together on some of this stuff. It is too easy to be contrarian.

It is how he passed it that should not be overlooked.

It is no secret that Chicago politics came into play on this one. Little arm twisting here, kneecaps breaking there.

Also, lets not forget that over 60% of this country opposed any type of health care reform, like the one that past.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this government not supposed to listen to the will of the people? This administration could give a rats ass about the people. Obama does what he wants, no matter what the people say.

And then there is the deficit....

go bowe
06-14-2010, 04:40 PM
Agreed.

It takes a strong POTUS to get everyone to come together. obama is not that man.whoa, freaking fdr didn't have everybody together even in wartime...

america was built on dissent...

which means you guys are performing a valuable public service...

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 04:48 PM
It is how he passed it that should not be overlooked.

It is no secret that Chicago politics came into play on this one. Little arm twisting here, kneecaps breaking there.

Also, lets not forget that over 60% of this country opposed any type of health care reform, like the one that past.


Well wait, do 60% oppose any type of health care reform? Or the health care reform that passed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this government not supposed to listen to the will of the people? This administration could give a rats ass about the people. Obama does what he wants, no matter what the people say.

And then there is the deficit....

The people elect officials to make decisions. There is checks and balances in that the people decide who those elected officials are.

I think health care set up a base to work on. It needs changing but thats what people are looking for...

While polls show Americans remain sharply divided over the Democrats' landmark legislation, they aren't clamoring for its repeal.

The public seems willing to listen to candidates who would give the overhaul a chance and fix or improve it as needed. That's the signal from some surveys and a congressional race in a bellwether Pennsylvania district.

It's a pragmatic, somewhat counterintuitive outlook.

That could be a break for Democrats in the fall elections, since Republicans are campaigning hard for repeal of the health care law.

Americans' nuanced outlook is reflected in some recent polls. For example, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey found the public tilting against the law 44-38, with 36 percent saying the quality of their health care would get worse, and only 17 percent believing it would improve. Not exactly a vote of confidence.

But when asked if they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate willing to give the law a chance to work and make changes as needed, or one who would repeal it entirely and start over, respondents picked the one who would give it a chance by 55-42.

Political independents favored giving the law a chance 57-40 in the poll, taken in early May.

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 04:57 PM
Health Care is just another one of of those things that is so complicated and nuanced...it isn't perfect but it also won't bring our country crumbling down like all those here on this board that love to sell fear.

I was part of an interesting group at the Kauffman foundation that brought together young entrepreneurs from different countries. We were talking about some of the challenges and I brought up health care, they were confused by the idea of having to pay so much for health care...wondering why someone who is hard working and has a family could go belly up because they got sick. I didn't really have a good answer, it was an interesting experience.

vailpass
06-14-2010, 05:19 PM
Because passing healthcare reform is easy. Even if you don't agree with it most people thought it couldn't happen. Described as the third rail. Nobody is going to make everyone come together on some of this stuff. It is too easy to be contrarian.

Health care has not been reformed, don't kid yourself. He didn't pass near the bill he wanted to pass.
Do you feel as though obama accomplished the most he could given the super majority he had?

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 05:25 PM
Health care has not been reformed, don't kid yourself. He didn't pass near the bill he wanted to pass.
Do you feel as though obama accomplished the most he could given the super majority he had?

As I said in a follow up post...total change hasn't been made but a base to work upon has been established. This is where Reid and Pelosi come in though...I think they divide people too much. I think someone else in their spots could have helped the POTUS shape a better bill. But it is a healthcare...a give and take game. Dems don't follow lockstep with their party like the George Bush Republicans did. It is checkers. The Republicans were happy to do things in bipartisianship if you only agreed to everything they wanted... ROFL

As fun as it was to play is that a catcher's mitt at the podium or John Bohner's face watching the Republican dog and pony show as if they wanted to be at the table to improve things was fun.

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:24 PM
As I said in a follow up post...total change hasn't been made but a base to work upon has been established. This is where Reid and Pelosi come in though...I think they divide people too much. I think someone else in their spots could have helped the POTUS shape a better bill. But it is a healthcare...a give and take game. Dems don't follow lockstep with their party like the George Bush Republicans did. It is checkers. The Republicans were happy to do things in bipartisianship if you only agreed to everything they wanted... ROFL

As fun as it was to play is that a catcher's mitt at the podium or John Bohner's face watching the Republican dog and pony show as if they wanted to be at the table to improve things was fun.

Besides your idiotic innacurate lock step Bush republican argument it should be pointed out not all dems went with Obama and HC because they realize the program is unsustainable and destined for death panels or doom.

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 09:37 PM
Besides your idiotic innacurate lock step Bush republican argument it should be pointed out not all dems went with Obama and HC because they realize the program is unsustainable and destined for death panels or doom.

Hey, some people that are complete idiots are able to make it subtle. You just want to come out and tell the whole world believing stuff like that. You and Roy get your current events info from the same place?

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Palin’s “Death Panels” Charge Named “Lie of the Year”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/12/22/palins-death-panels-charge-named-lie-of-the-year/

go bowe
06-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Besides your idiotic innacurate lock step Bush republican argument it should be pointed out not all dems went with Obama and HC because they realize the program is unsustainable and destined for death panels or doom.doom?

omg...

run for the hills...

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Besides your idiotic innacurate lock step Bush republican argument it should be pointed out not all dems went with Obama and HC because they realize the program is unsustainable and destined for death panels or doom.

I don't see what is idiotic about it. The Reps went almost lock stop into passing a $1.2 trillion dollar Medicare bill.

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:45 PM
Hey, some people that are complete idiots are able to make it subtle. You just want to come out and tell the whole world believing stuff like that. You and Roy get your current events info from the same place?

Do you want to discuss the merits of my post or just cry like Pelosi?

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 09:47 PM
Do you want to discuss the merits of my post or just cry like Pelosi?

What kind of alternate reality do you have to live in where correcting someone that is providing false information is "crying"

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:49 PM
doom?

omg...

run for the hills...ROFL The good news for you is instead of treating you for that cancerous exploding prostate when you're 75 they'll give you a big medical doobie to help you through it.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 09:49 PM
Oh and No Child Left Behind.... In fact the only bill that I can think of that the Reps didn't support Bush was immigration reform

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:54 PM
I don't see what is idiotic about it. The Reps went almost lock stop into passing a $1.2 trillion dollar Medicare bill.

Yeah I had to re-read his post. I misread it in that I thought he was saying republicans were in lock step in everything Bush did. My apologies Zach if that's not what you meant.

Although you do realize when it came to the prescription bill we're talking apples and oranges right?

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:55 PM
Oh and No Child Left Behind.... In fact the only bill that I can think of that the Reps didn't support Bush was immigration reform

What haven't the dems supported from the Obama administration?

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 09:57 PM
What kind of alternate reality do you have to live in where correcting someone that is providing false information is "crying"

The reality that death panel means reduced coverage. Which will be the first thing that happens to reduce costs in an unsustainable system.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 10:02 PM
Yeah I had to re-read his post. I misread it in that I thought he was saying republicans were in lock step in everything Bush did. My apologies Zach if that's not what you meant.

Although you do realize when it came to the prescription bill we're talking apples and oranges right?

That is exactly what he said. :shrug: Maybe it is the new media age but I don't remember hearing alot of inner republican bitching about most of the bills.

Sure but you also realize a significant part of the health care bill was fixing the Medicare bill

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 10:05 PM
What haven't the dems supported from the Obama administration?

Outside of the stimulus nothing without whining about it and watering the bills down.

But I concede when it came to vote they have passed everything except the latest one to extend unemployment benefits.

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 10:08 PM
That is exactly what he said. :shrug: Maybe it is the new media age but I don't remember hearing alot of inner republican bitching about most of the bills.

Sure but you also realize a significant part of the health care bill was fixing the Medicare bill

LOL, again, other than HC what do you hear in the new media age about dems bitching in the Obama administration?

And, you really think they fixed medicare?

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 10:10 PM
Outside of the stimulus nothing without whining about it and watering the bills down.

But I concede when it came to vote they have passed everything except the latest one to extend unemployment benefits.

So I'm supposed to be impressed how?

stevieray
06-14-2010, 10:11 PM
Obama defeats Bush!

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 10:16 PM
Obama defeats Bush!

Ya know, I would love to continue a conversation with you on DC but I am not interested in anymore crying in my inbox on other communication channels that prove me right.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 10:17 PM
LOL, again, other than HC what do you hear in the new media age about dems bitching in the Obama administration?

And, you really think they fixed medicare?

They completely watered down the Financial reform bill, the jobs bill and now are fighting about the unemployment extension bill.

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 10:19 PM
They completely watered down the Financial reform bill, the jobs bill and now are fighting about the unemployment extension bill.

And they're fighting why?

mlyonsd
06-14-2010, 10:23 PM
dirk and Zach.....name me one entitlement program that runs in the black.

Yet, Obama and the dems add another one.

dirk digler
06-14-2010, 10:23 PM
And they're fighting why?

Because they are gutless and have no spine.

And this is probably the biggest reason why liberals are mad and aren't going to come out and support Dems in November. They had a huge opportunity and they wasted it.

stevieray
06-14-2010, 10:26 PM
Ya know, I would love to continue a conversation with you

BS

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 10:30 PM
BS

You are right. Why would I be motivated to carry on a conversation with someone who only posts non-sequiturs and runs away.

stevieray
06-14-2010, 10:56 PM
You are right. Why would I be motivated to carry on a conversation with someone who only posts non-sequiturs and runs away.

I don't know Zach. I hardly, if ever, engage you. Have no desire to. Does nothing for me. Yet here you are, frothing over me again.

|Zach|
06-14-2010, 11:19 PM
I don't know Zach. I hardly, if ever, engage you. Have no desire to. Does nothing for me. Yet here you are, frothing over me again.

LMAO

mlyonsd
06-15-2010, 07:31 AM
Because they are gutless and have no spine.

And this is probably the biggest reason why liberals are mad and aren't going to come out and support Dems in November. They had a huge opportunity and they wasted it.

Wrong. Because some of them are smart enough to know they've created a disaster waiting to happen.

dirk digler
06-15-2010, 08:18 AM
Wrong. Because some of them are smart enough to know they've created a disaster waiting to happen.

Maybe. Let's go back at look why Dems were fighting each over the health care bill

1. Abortion
2. Public option
3. Special deals for their states\districts to get a ton of money
4. Being beholden to special interests ie insurance and pharmaceutical lobbying

Financial Reform - not fixing the to big to fail option and removing the Volker Rule

Just looking at these it seems they are more concerned about the special interest groups than fixing the problem.

go bowe
06-15-2010, 01:22 PM
You are right. Why would I be motivated to carry on a conversation with someone who only posts non-sequiturs and runs away.hey, non-sequitors are my lifeblood!!!

go bowe
06-15-2010, 01:23 PM
I don't know Zach. I hardly, if ever, engage you. Have no desire to. Does nothing for me. Yet here you are, frothing over me again.frothing, that's good stuff...

how ya doing these days?

go bowe
06-15-2010, 01:25 PM
Wrong. Because some of them are smart enough to know they've created a disaster waiting to happen.pshaw...

everybody knows liberals are stupid...

er, democrats...

go bowe
06-15-2010, 01:28 PM
Financial Reform - not fixing the to big to fail option
that's the one that scares me...

too big to fail was one of the principal reasons for the bailouts...

and they're still too big to fail...

not good...

Calcountry
06-15-2010, 02:50 PM
You're mistaken. What makes you think the GOP can put up someone who doesn't cough up the ball. Not...likely...At this point, what makes you think Obama will get the Democrat nomination?

|Zach|
06-15-2010, 04:04 PM
At this point, what makes you think Obama will get the Democrat nomination?
ROFL

go bowe
06-15-2010, 04:07 PM
ROFLwho are you laughing at, you too young to know anything punk kid?

vailpass
06-15-2010, 04:08 PM
ROFL

Not an outlandish question.
If obama's rating continue to plummet and he becomes a political pariah for the Dem party like he is for sitting incumbents the Dems will climb of him like ticks off a dead dog.

Bill Parcells
06-15-2010, 04:10 PM
Ya know, I would love to continue a conversation with you on DC but I am not interested in anymore crying in my inbox on other communication channels that prove me right.

Hey, just wondering. who does your company (THE IT consultant one) consult?

Bill Parcells
06-15-2010, 04:13 PM
Not an outlandish question.
If obama's rating continue to plummet and he becomes a political pariah for the Dem party like he is for sitting incumbents the Dems will climb of him like ticks off a dead dog.

Zach is like maybe 23 or something. he doesnt remember when Ted Kennedy tried desperately to run against Jimmy Carter (a sitting president) in the 1980 democratic pres primary. why? gas lines and an awful economy..bwahahaha!

|Zach|
06-15-2010, 04:17 PM
Hey, just wondering. who does your company (THE IT consultant one) consult?

Deals with digital strategy. Content creation and social media strategy. Started B2C but then focused on B2B. It got swallowed up by a company called LightThread. I deal mostly with the photography and do the other stuff sparingly.

Calcountry
06-15-2010, 06:13 PM
Not an outlandish question.
If obama's rating continue to plummet and he becomes a political pariah for the Dem party like he is for sitting incumbents the Dems will climb of him like ticks off a dead dog.zach is too young to remember what Kennedy did to Jimmy Carter, prior to Reagan spanking the wholly crap out of Earl.

Man I can hear the thunder thighs already!!!!

orange
06-15-2010, 06:13 PM
Zach is like maybe 23 or something. he doesnt remember when Ted Kennedy tried desperately to run against Jimmy Carter (a sitting president) in the 1980 democratic pres primary. why? gas lines and an awful economy..bwahahaha!

I forget...somebody kicked someone's ass in that one, didn't they?

I seem to remember the President before Carter receiving a primary challenge, too. How'd that one work out?

Calcountry
06-15-2010, 06:14 PM
Zach is like maybe 23 or something. he doesnt remember when Ted Kennedy tried desperately to run against Jimmy Carter (a sitting president) in the 1980 democratic pres primary. why? gas lines and an awful economy..bwahahaha!doh, you beat me to it. :cuss::cuss:

Bill Parcells
06-15-2010, 06:26 PM
I forget...somebody kicked someone's ass in that one, didn't they?

I seem to remember the President before Carter receiving a primary challenge, too. How'd that one work out?

Yes, but is is disrespectful to run in a primary against a sitting president running for reelection..lol..are you an apologist for everything?

Bill Parcells
06-15-2010, 06:28 PM
doh, you beat me to it. :cuss::cuss:

ROFL

I just read your rep comment dude..LMFGDAO! You kill me! ROFL

orange
06-15-2010, 06:33 PM
Yes, but is is disrespectful to run in a primary against a sitting president running for reelection..lol..are you an apologist for everything?

Apologist for what? No one's running against Obama in a Primary - and he wouldn't lose if they did.

Am I an apologist for young guys because |Zach| knows more about basic politics than you?

Calcountry
06-15-2010, 07:10 PM
Apologist for what? No one's running against Obama in a Primary - and he wouldn't lose if they did.

Am I an apologist for young guys because |Zach| knows more about basic politics than you?Yes, basic politics, that would be the game BO is playing?

mlyonsd
06-16-2010, 08:26 AM
Maybe. Let's go back at look why Dems were fighting each over the health care bill

1. Abortion
2. Public option
3. Special deals for their states\districts to get a ton of money
4. Being beholden to special interests ie insurance and pharmaceutical lobbying

Financial Reform - not fixing the to big to fail option and removing the Volker Rule

Just looking at these it seems they are more concerned about the special interest groups than fixing the problem.

Sorry, I had moved past the health care bill and was asking more about the job and unemployment extension.

My point was there are some democrats that realize we're taking on too much debt with no relief in sight.

But if you think republicans just followed Bush blindly I'd say only in some things, not all.

BucEyedPea
06-17-2010, 02:09 PM
I think this shows cracks still exist for the GOP due to their FP with the public outside their party. They still haven't woke up yet!
And it could be why Obama has a chance to be re-elected.
According to the latest poll, President Obama remains ahead of all potential GOP rivals, but Ron Paul maintains a decisive lead in the Independent category.

Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, and Newt Gingrich all lead President Obama when it comes to Independents, but Paul is by far the most popular. In the hypothetical GOP field, Paul receives the highest favorable ratings amongst Independents and leads Obama by 18% in this rapidly growing segment of the national electorate.

This number appears to confirm Paul's earlier showing in a Rasmussen poll, though this time, Paul trails Obama by 10% overall. In this more recent poll, Paul's weak support from Republicans seems to be a significant statistical weakness.

While Dr. Paul's strict constitutional approach, staunch fiscal conservatism, and anti-war platform garner strong support from Independent voters, Republican voters remain largely unimpressed. As I've written previously, the numbers continue to support the premise that Ron Paul's only legitimate chance of running a competitive presidential campaign in 2012 would be a third party, Independent bid.

As it stands now, most of the GOP base rejects his foreign policy, while Independents, Democrats, and libertarian-minded Republicans offer a more widespread base of support.


http://caivn.org/sites/all/themes/caivnfinal/img/base/header-logo.gif

http://caivn.org/article/2010/06/11/independents-give-ron-paul-18-advantage-over-president-obama-new-pol