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banyon
06-13-2010, 12:11 PM
June 10, 2010, 7:08 PM
Who Is Alvin Greene?
By KATE PHILLIPS

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/who-is-alvin-greene/

Just when it seemed political events in South Carolina couldn’t turn more bizarre, calls are mounting for investigations and for the withdrawal from the Senate race of Alvin Greene, who has become known as the “stealth candidate” after mysteriously becoming the state’s Democratic nominee on Tuesday.

On Thursday, not only did more officials urge Mr. Greene to quit the contest against Senator Jim DeMint, the Republican incumbent, but top lawmakers — like Representative James Clyburn — began suggesting that Mr. Greene was a “plant.” Mr. Clyburn, the House Democratic majority whip, also called for a federal investigation because of reports that Mr. Greene, who is on unemployment, paid more than $10,000 of his own money to enter the race.

“There were some real shenanigans going on in the South Carolina primary,” Mr. Clyburn said on a radio show. “I don’t know if he was a Republican plant; he was someone’s plant.”

The first startling disclosure was made by The Associated Press, which reported that Mr. Greene had been charged with a felony in a case involving showing pornographic images to a college student. Mr. Greene, 32, was largely silent about that on Wednesday as more and more media tried to contact him and officials began calling for him to withdraw from the race. (In interviews on Thursday, he wouldn’t comment on the charge, saying he was innocent until proven guilty. And he said he wouldn’t step down.)

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Carol Fowler, a state Democratic Party leader, revealed in interviews that she had questioned Mr. Greene’s use of a personal check for that $10,400 for filing fees to enter the race.

The Root.com and some local TV stations have now published and broadcast interviews on Thursday in which Mr. Greene, who says he has been unemployed since he was discharged from the military nine months ago, speaks in platitudes about his campaign and contends that he traveled the entire state to get his message to voters. But, he’s not specific at all in the interviews about where or how he campaigned. He even concedes in one of the television interviews that he never held a campaign event, didn’t attend any larger Democratic primary gatherings and didn’t even have a campaign Web site. And he never filed any financial reporting forms.

Asked how he won, he said South Carolinians could relate to him more than any other candidate.


Mr. Greene was also asked about the cash he used to pay the filing fee, especially given the fact that he’s receiving unemployment benefits and also is represented in criminal court by a public defender. He said it was his own money.

But Mr. Clyburn’s remarks fueled even more suspicions after The Hill newspaper published what the lawmaker had said on the Bill Press radio show. “I would hope the U.S. Attorney down there would look at this,” Mr. Clyburn said. “Somebody gave him that $10,000 and he who took it should be investigated, and he who gave it should be investigated.”

That seems to be the growing consensus among state and local officials. The Post and Courier in Charleston interviewed several puzzled lawmakers and Mr. Greene’s Democratic opponent for the nomination, Vic Rawl, a former state lawmaker. (He spent about $250,000 on his campaign for the Senate nomination, and didn’t take Mr. Greene’s candidacy seriously until he began winning Tuesday night, the newspaper notes. (Mr. Greene received 59 percent of the vote.)

So how did this come about? Was it his top ballot position? The fact that he’s African-American, which some have suggested might have swayed the sizable numbers of black primary voters? Or was it something else?

Here’s what the Post and Courier reported from its interviews:

State Representative Bakari Sellers, D-Denmark, suggested Greene might have benefited from being listed first on Tuesday’s ballot, but Fowler said the party’s two relatively little-known Senate candidates in 2008 polled at nearly 50-50.

State Senator Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who lost his gubernatorial bid Tuesday, said race could have played a role. The Democratic primary electorate is majority black, as is Greene, but not Rawl. “Vic Rawl had money, but he didn’t have enough. He wasn’t able to identify himself with black voters,” Ford said. “No white folks have an ‘e’ on the end of Green. The blacks after they left the plantation couldn’t spell, and they threw an ‘e’ on the end.”

If outside forces played a role in Greene’s win, they’ve covered their tracks well so far. The race didn’t seem to tilt based on any last-minute mailing, robocall or word of mouth through established Democratic networks.

“Whatever happened, it was damn stealthy,” Rawl said.
Top Democratic officials in the state are noting that tomorrow (Friday) is the day the election returns must be certified. If Mr. Greene were to withdraw, Mr. Rawl could easily be named the nominee, according to news reports.

banyon
06-13-2010, 12:12 PM
This is really strange. I don't know what the explanation is.

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 12:15 PM
Thank you for not using the "T" word in the thread title.

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 12:17 PM
...On Thursday, not only did more officials urge Mr. Greene to quit the contest against Senator Jim DeMint, the Republican incumbent, but top lawmakers — like Representative James Clyburn — began suggesting that Mr. Greene was a “plant.”...

It was just a matter of time. Obama isn't an American and now this clown doesn't even belong to the animal kingdom. It's a slippery slope.

HonestChieffan
06-13-2010, 12:23 PM
we know as much about Green as we know about Obama as far as leadership, accomplishments and he is no dumber than Pelosi, Dodd, Frank. Whats wrong with him that dems have turned on him?

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 12:25 PM
...State Senator Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who lost his gubernatorial bid Tuesday, said race could have played a role. The Democratic primary electorate is majority black, as is Greene, but not Rawl. “Vic Rawl had money, but he didn’t have enough. He wasn’t able to identify himself with black voters,” Ford said. “No white folks have an ‘e’ on the end of Green. The blacks after they left the plantation couldn’t spell, and they threw an ‘e’ on the end.”...

He didn't really say that, did he? What T fuck?

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 12:32 PM
Who knew they were all black?:

# Aaron Greene, Irish footballer
# Alan Greene, American diver
# Alvin Greene, American politician
# Angela Greene, United Kingdom tennis player
# Ashley Greene, American actress
# Ashley Nicole Greene, American actress
# Aurelia Greene, American politician
# Balcomb Greene, American artist
# Belle da Costa Greene, librarian to J. P. Morgan, and after his death the first director of the Pierpont Morgan Library
# Ben Greene, British pacifist
# Benjamin Greene, English businessman
# Bert Greene, cookbook author and food clumnist
# Bette Greene, American writer
# Brenda Shannon Greene, better known as Shannon, American singer
# Brian Greene, American physicist
# Cathal Óg Greene, Irish Gaelic football player
# Catherine Littlefield Greene, wife of Nathanael Greene
# Charles Greene, athlete, American sprinter
# Charles Ezra Greene, American civil engineer
# Charles Wilson Greene, American physiologist and pharmacologist
# Charlie Greene, major league baseball catcher
# Colton Greene, Confederate general during the American Civil War
# Daniel Greene, American actor
# David Greene (American football), NFL quarterback
# Donal Greene, Irish association footballer
# Edward Lee Greene, botanist
# Ettie Mae Greene, American supercentenarian
# Evarts Boutell Greene, American historian
# Evie Greene, English actress
# Gael Greene, American food critic
# George Greene, 19th-century Iowa Supreme Court justice
# George S. Greene, Union general during the American Civil War
# George Washington Greene, American historian
# Gladys Georgianna Greene, better known as Jean Arthur, American actress
# Graham Greene, 20th-century English writer
# Graham Greene, Canadian actor
# Harold H. Greene, U.S. district court justice
# Harry Plunket Greene, Irish singer
# Henry Greene and Charles Greene, American architects, better known as Greene and Greene
# Herbert Greene, English musician
# Herbert M. Greene, American architect
# Hugh Greene, British journalist and television executive
# J. Patrick Greene, English archaeologist and museum director
# James Edward Greene, Liberian politician
# Jehmu Greene, American politician
# Joe Greene, aka "Mean Joe" Greene, American football Hall-of-Famer
# Joseph Greene, science fiction writer
# Kai Greene, bodybuilder
# Kenny Greene, American singer-songwriter and record producer
# Kempton Greene, American actor
# Khacki Greene, American philanthropist
# Khalil Greene, major league baseball infielder
# Kim Morgan Greene, American actress
# Laivan Greene, American actress
# Lance Greene, actor and theater and film producer
# Laura Greene, British television presenter
# Leon Greene, English opera singer and film actor
# Lorne Greene, Canadian actor
# Matt Greene, American NHL defenseman
# Maurice Greene (athlete), athlete, former 100m record holder
# Maxine Greene, American educational philosopher, author, social activist, and teacher
# Melissa Fay Greene, American writer
# Moya Greene, Canadian civil servant, President and CEO of Canada Post
# Nathanael Greene, American general (and a name source for many US locations)
# Patricia Greene, British actress
# Peter Greene, American actor
# Robert Greene, 16th-century poet
# Robert Greene, contemporary author
# Russell Greene, Australian rules footballer
# Serginho Greene, Dutch soccer player
# Sonia Greene, writer
# Susaye Greene, American singer
# Talib Kweli Greene, better known as Talib Kweli, American emcee
# Ted Greene, guitarist and music educator
# Tilly Greene, American writer
# Timothy Greene, South African actor and film director
# Thomas Alan "Tom" Greene, Louisiana politician and veterinarian
# Vibert Greene, Barbadian cricketer
# Vincent Graves Greene 20th-century Canadian philatelist
# Vivien Greene, English authority on doll's houses
# Wilfred Greene, 1st Baron Greene, British judge
# William Cornell Greene, copper magnate
# William Pomeroy Crawford Greene, English politician

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 12:38 PM
State Senator Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who lost his gubernatorial bid Tuesday, said race could have played a role. The Democratic primary electorate is majority black, as is Greene, but not Rawl. “Vic Rawl had money, but he didn’t have enough. He wasn’t able to identify himself with black voters,” Ford said. “No white folks have an ‘e’ on the end of Green. The blacks after they left the plantation couldn’t spell, and they threw an ‘e’ on the end.”

Rawl is obviously white because if he was black his name would be Rawls with the extra "s" because when blacks left the plantation...well, just ask Sen. Forde. Uh, Ford. He knows.

http://www.onlymountain.com/blog/images/lou%20rawls%20b-w.jpg

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:07 PM
we know as much about Green as we know about Obama as far as leadership, accomplishments and he is no dumber than Pelosi, Dodd, Frank. Whats wrong with him that dems have turned on him?

Really, I didn't realize Greene had been a State rep, had served a term in the US senate, had taught at major universities, and had given major speeches at party conventions. Where did you find that out? It's just like Obama11!11!

You're such an obvious partisan hack.

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:14 PM
Greene was assigned a public defender after being charged with showing pornography to a University of South Carolina student in November in a case that is pending. (Earlier, Greene said he is not guilty.) He said that public defenders are generally assigned to represent defendants who are indigent and that it would be unusual for someone who had more than $10,000 in a bank account to be declared indigent.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/11/AR2010061106159.html

This is true also. We would not appoint anyone a PD who had $10k in the bank. So either he lied on his financial affidavit for the court case, or someone else paid the $10k and he lied about that.

patteeu
06-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Definitely weird. It's tempting to believe he's a plant, but who would pay $10,000 to nominate a guy who wasn't going to campaign at all. Given his lack of apparent effort, there's no way anyone could have expected him to win, is there?

Taco John
06-13-2010, 01:23 PM
I love that racist blast about black people not being able to spell there at the end... Wow!

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:27 PM
Definitely weird. It's tempting to believe he's a plant, but who would pay $10,000 to nominate a guy who wasn't going to campaign at all. Given his lack of apparent effort, there's no way anyone could have expected him to win, is there?

Jim DeMint?

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:31 PM
This guy can barely get through this basic interview and he needed help from his attorney off camera to fake it:

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ClevelandBronco
06-13-2010, 01:32 PM
Jim DeMint?

That would mean that mint is a green plant and Greene is a DeMint plant.

Saul Good
06-13-2010, 01:35 PM
I've heard a lot of people say that he must have been a plant (not in this thread). That would make sense if the Republican primary weren't so close. The Republican candidates needed all the votes they could get. They wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice their own votes to have someone cast a vote in the Democrat primary instead.

patteeu
06-13-2010, 01:37 PM
Jim DeMint?

What about him?

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:38 PM
What about him?

You asked who would have an incentive to do it. He or his supporters (or state/national strategists) would have that incentive.

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:39 PM
I've heard a lot of people say that he must have been a plant (not in this thread). That would make sense if the Republican primary weren't so close. The Republican candidates needed all the votes they could get. They wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice their own votes to have someone cast a vote in the Democrat primary instead.

That wouldn't be the strategy here, to get Republican voters to switch registrations.

The strategy is to eliminate the legitimate Dem candidate so that the Republican can sail through in the general.

Saul Good
06-13-2010, 01:40 PM
In watching Olberman's segment, it seems like there is a pattern here. SC Democrats will vote for whatever black candidate is on the ballot.

HonestChieffan
06-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Dems cannot take any responsibility. Amazing. Blame the Republicans? Hell, its Bush that did it.

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:44 PM
Dems cannot take any responsibility. Amazing. Blame the Republicans? Hell, its Bush that did it.

Who blamed them? All I did was to reply to who would have an incentive. I didn't ask the question. All it does at this point is merit an investigation. You go where the investigation leads you.

"IT"S BUSH'S FAULT" You're like one of those old dolls with the pull string that says about the same 2-3 phrases no matter the situation.

banyon
06-13-2010, 01:47 PM
From Politico:

According to Ludwig, of the state’s 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots.

“The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don’t know what it means,” Ludwig said in an interview. “We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn’t happen in any other races on the ballot.”

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.

“In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast,” Ludwig said.

Greene also racked up a 75 percent or greater margin in one-seventh of all precincts statewide, a mark that Ludwig notes is even difficult for an incumbent to reach

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38433.html

patteeu
06-13-2010, 01:49 PM
You asked who would have an incentive to do it. He or his supporters (or state/national strategists) would have that incentive.

No, I asked who could have expected an inarticulate guy with legal problems who wasn't going to put any effort into campaigning to win, and I don't think Jim DeMint is an answer to that question.

banyon
06-13-2010, 02:00 PM
In watching Olberman's segment, it seems like there is a pattern here. SC Democrats will vote for whatever black candidate is on the ballot.

On this idea:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZTcCp8eYEyI/TBJ-lFakkJI/AAAAAAAAAUE/EvrKXaxngqI/s400/greene-rawl-1.PNG

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/something-fishy-in-south-carolina.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

banyon
06-13-2010, 02:04 PM
No, I asked who could have expected an inarticulate guy with legal problems who wasn't going to put any effort into campaigning to win, and I don't think Jim DeMint is an answer to that question.

You can expect him to win if you throw the contest:


'Staggering' E-Vote 'Red Flags'


So, what else, besides or in addition to the "plant" theory, could account for Greene's remarkable "victory"?

South Carolina uses ES&S' 100% unverifiable Direct Recording Electronic (DRE, in this case touch-screen) voting machines at the polling place. The machines, also used in many other states (such as Arkansas, where we recently reported exclusively on the disappearance of thousands of votes on May 18th, which neither state nor local officials are able to explain to this day) are both oft-failed and easily manipulated in such a way that it's almost impossible to detect the systems have been gamed.

As we've written, nearly every time there is an election in South Carolina, whoever the machines end up announcing as the "winner," will likely be the winner, since there is literally no way to guarantee that even a single vote ever cast on such machines was actually recorded as per the voter's intent. It's an insane way to run a democracy, as The BRAD BLOG has spent years, and literally thousands of articles, trying to point out.

Last night, we snarkily Tweeted to that end:

Maybe we shuld recount ballots in SC 2 make sure Alvin Greene actually won. Oh, wait. Never mind. #BallotFreeVoting #DumbAsses
Today, however, we're delighted to see that actual mainstream media are beginning to note the disparities in the patterns of absentee paper-ballot voting versus the polling place results as cast and recorded on ES&S's 100% faith-based voting machines --- the very same machines which have been decertified in state after state, based on repeated scientific reports on their multiple vulnerabilities.

The disparities being found by "three different teams" of unnamed "national academic experts," in their early comparisons between result patterns in the Election Day DRE-tallied "ballots" and the optically-scanned absentee paper ballots are already startling, and raising serious red flags suggesting electronic vote tampering...even as reported in the corporate mainstream media today.

'Rigging the Machines'


Election integrity experts --- those who are wiling to actually be named --- are already drawing a bead on SC's e-voting system, as much, or more so, than the "plant" theory.

NYU media professor Mark Crispin Miller, author of two books on the issue, Fooled Again: The Real Case for Electoral Reform and Loser Take All: Election Fraud and The Subversion of Democracy, 2000 - 2008 [Disclosure: The BRAD BLOG is heavily cited in the former, and contributed an investigative chapter to the latter] sent a note to his sizeable e-mail list this morning citing "clear signs of ELECTION FRAUD in South Carolina."

"With DRE machines deployed statewide (and op-scans used to "count" the absentee ballots), stealing Greene's race would be a cinch," Miller wrote. "Nor is there any reason whatsoever to believe the numbers tossed out by ES&S, the right-wing private company that makes and maintains both those DREs and op-scans."

Miller quotes an email from Jonathan Simon, co-founder and Executive Director of the Election Defense Alliance, asking "Let's assume Greene was a plant, how does that get him 59% of the votes statewide?"

Simon, a long-time critic of e-voting, known for reporting on the extraordinary and still-unexplained disparities between Election Night results and Exit Polls in the 2004 Presidential race, suspects foul-play on the machines.

"[Greene] was a complete unknown to all voters, D and R. There was no campaign, period, certainly not to Democratic voters, and no evidence at all of one to GOP voters urging them to crossover vote in the D primary (the strategy that was credited with some bizarre results in D primaries in 2008)."

"So, whether Greene was or a plant or not can't really be the issue: you can plant a guy in a race but you can't get him 59% of the vote --- unless you're rigging the machines."

He went on to point to the same concerns we'd Tweeted last night in regard to the unverifiable ES&S voting system used across the state, and called for the machines to be impounded immediately for investigation.

"The machines are ES&S no-paper-trail DREs, 100% pure, unadulterated faith-based voting. The only question that I want to ask is why James Clyburn and Keith Olbermann and everybody else are focusing on the candidates, when it is so blatantly obvious that they should be talking about the DRE machines. Time to impound a few of those suckers, assuming the code is not self-deleting."

The BRAD BLOG has long called for federal law requiring the 22-month retention of all election-related materials to be applied to the sensitive memory cards used in voting systems to both program the "ballot" and record voter preferences. Routinely, those memory cards, which are likely to hold evidence of either manipulation or failure, if there is any in an election, are erased with days or weeks following an election.

Democrats in South Carolina would do well to get to court immediately and ask for not just an impounding of the machines themselves, but of those memory cards before the important information on them is deleted for good.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7890

orange
06-13-2010, 02:26 PM
This could be a good thing. DeMint isn't going to lose. This Democratic Primary was for nothing but bragging rights. If it brings about changes in SC's balloting, good for them.

However, this is South Carolina, and after seeing them in the news for the last year, they seem to relish ridiculously dirty politics. So this may just make their e-voting system permanent.

patteeu
06-13-2010, 02:28 PM
banyon,

You seem to be changing theories in the same way you ignored my question and answered a completely different one.

Ballot tampering makes more sense than a pure "plant" theory, and while Jim DeMint would have a motive, so would tons of other people, including opponents of South Carolina's e-voting system like the guy in your BradBlog.

HonestChieffan
06-13-2010, 03:22 PM
I love it. Rather than recognizing the voters are a bunch of nimwits who vote with no basis other than pick a name and they all vote in the dem primary, the party gets all pantywadded and reaches for any explanation other than the obvious to make this embarrassment go away.


Face it, his name was on top, the electorate is uninformed and not engaged and he got elected.

banyon
06-13-2010, 05:27 PM
banyon,

You seem to be changing theories in the same way you ignored my question and answered a completely different one.

Ballot tampering makes more sense than a pure "plant" theory, and while Jim DeMint would have a motive, so would tons of other people, including opponents of South Carolina's e-voting system like the guy in your BradBlog.

Are you suggesting that the possibilities are mutually exclusive somehow?

banyon
06-13-2010, 05:27 PM
I love it. Rather than recognizing the voters are a bunch of nimwits who vote with no basis other than pick a name and they all vote in the dem primary, the party gets all pantywadded and reaches for any explanation other than the obvious to make this embarrassment go away.


Face it, his name was on top, the electorate is uninformed and not engaged and he got elected.

Yeah, dem voters are just much stupider than repub voters. Hack, Hack!

go bowe
06-13-2010, 05:55 PM
you should see someone about that cough...

patteeu
06-13-2010, 07:00 PM
Are you suggesting that the possibilities are mutually exclusive somehow?

No, I'm just trying to straighten out the crooked (as in "twisty" not "illegal") road you've been travelling in this thread.

As far as DeMint's possible motive is concerned though, it seems pretty far-fetched to me. I'm not up to speed on SC politics, but it would surprise me if he was in big danger of losing his seat to the guy Alvin Greene beat, and even if that was a possibility, it seems unlikely that he'd plant a guy like Greene when he could have recruited someone less odd or he could have just rigged the general election. :shrug:

If someone rigged the election, it seems to me that it's more likely to be an enemy of Rauls, a rogue Republican, or a democrat dirty trick than a DeMint operation. And none of those seem all that likely either.

BucEyedPea
06-13-2010, 10:00 PM
This could be a good thing. DeMint isn't going to lose. This Democratic Primary was for nothing but bragging rights. If it brings about changes in SC's balloting, good for them.

However, this is South Carolina, and after seeing them in the news for the last year, they seem to relish ridiculously dirty politics. So this may just make their e-voting system permanent.

I LOVE it. They're so polite down south but so dirty behind the scenes. Nearly everyone has an affair or two. You should see Hotlanta.

BucEyedPea
06-13-2010, 10:01 PM
I think it could be a sign of protest showing how disgusted many are with their own parties.

HonestChieffan
06-14-2010, 06:14 AM
Clyburn: 'Elephant dung all over the place'

Democrats Sunday continued to rip into the Democrat’s Senate unlikely candidate in South Carolina, with House Majority Whip James Clyburn saying that there was "elephant dung all over the place" in the Democratic primary.

“I believe he’s someone’s plant,” Clyburn said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “I saw in the Democratic primary elephant dung all over the place.”

Clyburn has called on state officials to investigate how Alvin Greene won the Senate primary last week. Greene, who was essentially unknown before Tuesday’s primary, is unemployed, spent almost no money on his campaign and made few public appearances, and is allegedly facing felony charges for showing pornographic images to a college student.

Clyburn said he suspects campaign laws were broken by Greene, who allegedly tried to pay his registration fees with cash and had no previous political backing in the state.

White House adviser David Axelrod, asked on "Meet the Press" if Greene was a legitimate candidate said:

"It doesn’t appear so to me. I mean it was a mysterious deal. He didn’t campaign… the whole thing is odd and I don’t really know how to explain it and I don’t think anyone else does either."

"I think the Democrats of South Carolina deserve a credible, strong candidate," Axelrod said. "How he won the primary is a big mystery, though, and I don’t think until he can explain that he can be a strong, credible candidate."
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HonestChieffan
06-14-2010, 06:16 AM
Yeah, dem voters are just much stupider than repub voters. Hack, Hack!

Not true. SC Republicans elected Lindsey Graham and he is a total waste.

jjjayb
06-14-2010, 07:07 AM
"IT"S BUSH'S FAULT" You're like one of those old dolls with the pull string that says about the same 2-3 phrases no matter the situation.

A perfect description for Obama. ROFL

The Mad Crapper
06-14-2010, 07:08 AM
we know as much about Green as we know about Obama as far as leadership, accomplishments and he is no dumber than Pelosi, Dodd, Frank. Whats wrong with him that dems have turned on him?

ROFL

Sad but true.

RaiderH8r
06-14-2010, 10:46 AM
Jim DeMint?

Yeah, Jim DeMint planted him in the D primary against a guy who spent $250K and couldn't get elected.

Moreover, even if Greene was a plant who f'ing cares? Plant or no the guy didn't campaign, didn't buy tv time, didn't do interviews, didn't do dick and still beat the other guy. Greene has every right to run for elected office and as long as the vote was legal who gives a shit? The guy exercised his right to participate in the public process and won. What's the problem?

ROYC75
06-14-2010, 02:43 PM
What else can the DNC do to embarrass themselves in the days to come ?

Calcountry
06-14-2010, 03:30 PM
This is really strange. I don't know what the explanation is.What? He has all the qualifications necessary to be POTUS.

Sully
06-14-2010, 04:13 PM
What? He has all the qualifications necessary to be POTUS.

He's not old enough.

FD
06-14-2010, 10:48 PM
The Daily Show just ran a great segment on this, Stewart hits SC dems pretty hard.

Iowanian
06-14-2010, 10:56 PM
He sounds like the perfect Democrat.

FD
06-15-2010, 10:44 AM
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The Mad Crapper
10-14-2010, 01:58 PM
You have to watch this video:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/10/alvin-greene-re.html

LMAO

patteeu
10-14-2010, 02:05 PM
You have to watch this video:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/10/alvin-greene-re.html

LMAO

Lawerence O'Donnell is trying to cover for Jim DeMint, who started the recession, by sidetracking Alvin with questions about his high school nickname. What a shill for the establishment. :shake: LMAO

The Mad Crapper
10-14-2010, 02:11 PM
Lawerence O'Donnell is trying to cover for Jim DeMint, who started the recession, by sidetracking Alvin with questions about his high school nickname. What a shill for the establishment. :shake: LMAO


ROFL

Calcountry
10-14-2010, 03:16 PM
ROFLLMAO

Jim Demint, "Is da debbil".

Chief Henry
10-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Foe the only time in my life I felt sorry for Lawrence O'donnell. I'm guessing he was doing his best NOT to crackup. HTF did that buffoon become the D candidate ?

Taco John
10-14-2010, 04:56 PM
How in the world is it a felony to show pornography to a college student?

chiefsnorth
10-14-2010, 05:00 PM
How in the world is it a felony to show pornography to a college student?

Compelling a person to view obscenity against their will is a crime, I am guessing something like this is what occurred.

bluehawkdoc
10-14-2010, 05:42 PM
How in the world is it a felony to show pornography to a college student?

I still don't understand, who started the recession? Is said person also responsible for the recession?

Remember, what a person does in his/her private life shouldn't affect them if they do a good job...