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HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 08:45 PM
Imagine this clown if we had a real crisis.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/president-obamas-national-address-on-bp.html

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max sleeper
06-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Imagine this clown if we had a real crisis.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

It's not like we had any hope you would like the speech! Or would have anything constructive to say about it! Stupid can't be cured and there is no hope for you! Ask the people of the gulf if this is a REAL crisis?! Go Chiefs!

NewChief
06-15-2010, 08:52 PM
Breaking: HCF doesn't like Obama.

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 08:54 PM
Just quoting the gang at MSNBC....even they called it Carterlike.

Taco John
06-15-2010, 09:00 PM
Quite frankly, this has got to be the weakest vision of the future a president has ever laid out:

"...What has defined us as a nation since our founding is our capacity to shape our destiny - our determination to fight for the America we want for our children. Even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there. We know we'll get there..."

notorious
06-15-2010, 09:01 PM
"...What has defined us as a nation since our founding is our capacity to shape our destiny - our determination to fight for the America we want for our children. Even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there. We know we'll get there..."

ROFL


Seriously?

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 09:06 PM
The Great Communicator looks more like he is a fish out of water every day. And Prime time first Oval Office speech.

Bet some poor speech writer is canned by 7am eastern time. And all the Katrina references...channeling Bush?

Taco John
06-15-2010, 09:23 PM
We know we'll get to our destiny, whatever it is.

patteeu
06-15-2010, 09:35 PM
What a pathetic excuse for a President we have. This speech was awful. And is there any legislative authority for the President to "inform" BP that they will contribute money to a fund that will be managed by an independent authority for the benefit of those who are damaged by the spill?

This guy is in way over his head.

patteeu
06-15-2010, 09:37 PM
Quite frankly, this has got to be the weakest vision of the future a president has ever laid out:

"...What has defined us as a nation since our founding is our capacity to shape our destiny - our determination to fight for the America we want for our children. Even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there. We know we'll get there..."

Bingo.

petegz28
06-15-2010, 09:40 PM
I was too busy watching the Royals kick the crap out of the Astros. Sorry I missed Dear Leader.

NewChief
06-15-2010, 09:41 PM
I found the speech to be thrilling and uplifting. I'm ready to go swab down some oil-covered pelicans.















Okay. I was watching Chopped on Food Network.

petegz28
06-15-2010, 09:47 PM
Olbermann: "It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."


Sheesh, Dear Leader must really have flopped

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 09:49 PM
We know we'll get to our destiny, whatever it is.

The Great Marxist experiment in Amerika. That is his destination:thumb:

Can't wait to here Levin's take on this speech:D

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 09:51 PM
I haven't heard the speech yet but I bet nothing concrete(a plan) to fix this leak was proposed. Just demonizing BP and pimping American Power Act. Am I correct?????

Taco John
06-15-2010, 09:54 PM
This speech may be the beginning of the Hillary Clinton 2012 campaign.

NewChief
06-15-2010, 09:54 PM
I haven't heard the speech yet but I bet nothing concrete(a plan) to fix this leak was proposed. Just demonizing BP and pimping American Power Act. Am I correct?????

You forget Marxism. Lots and lots of marxism (oh, and a little alinskyizing for good measure).

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 09:56 PM
I haven't heard the speech yet but I bet nothing concrete(a plan) to fix this leak was proposed. Just demonizing BP and pimping American Power Act. Am I correct?????


If he was pimping Cap n Trade it was so poorly done it was not recognized. Nothing specific, sort of a I am in charge follow me when I figure out where to go speech. BP will fix the leak and Obama knows it but he still beat his chest and threatened a lot.

It was a bit weird actually. Almost wondered why is he giving this talk, when do we get to the meat.

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 09:57 PM
This speech may be the beginning of the Hillary Clinton 2012 campaign.

You would think! Bill and Hil have to salvage the Dem party somehow before it is too late.

blaise
06-15-2010, 09:58 PM
Perhaps it's time to bring the torture memos back up.

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 09:59 PM
If he was pimping Cap n Trade it was so poorly done it was not recognized. Nothing specific, sort of a I am in charge follow me when I figure out where to go speech. BP will fix the leak and Obama knows it but he still beat his chest and threatened a lot.

It was a bit weird actually. Almost wondered why is he giving this talk, when do we get to the meat.

ROFLROFLROFL Just like his 'healthcare speeches' no substance and didn't really no sh** about what was going on. Figures!!:rolleyes:

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 10:01 PM
You forget Marxism. Lots and lots of marxism (oh, and a little alinskyizing for good measure).

:rolleyes: That's all you got?????

Actions speak louder than words:shake:

notorious
06-15-2010, 10:03 PM
Well, it's only another 2 years until we can replace this Socialist piece of shit with a overboard Republican piece of shit.

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 10:04 PM
Time to go get CCW and stockpile some ammo if you haven't already. When his excellency starts to panic lord knows what he will try to outlaw.

petegz28
06-15-2010, 10:05 PM
ROFLROFLROFL Just like his 'healthcare speeches' no substance and didn't really no sh** about what was going on. Figures!!:rolleyes:

Shit, that's been his entire campaign and Presidency. Knee-jerk reactions, vague explanations, lack of action and promises to make the "bad guy" pay.

blaise
06-15-2010, 10:05 PM
I heard he had mannequins dressed up as BP execs and he was totally kicking their asses all over the Oval Office.

notorious
06-15-2010, 10:06 PM
Time to go get CCW and stockpile some ammo if you haven't already. When his excellency starts to panic lord knows what he will try to outlaw.

That is the one thing that I am not worried about.


Nobody can touch gun control nation-wide. It would probably start a civil uprising.

Taco John
06-15-2010, 10:06 PM
I don't think that he could bring up cap and trade in this speech. It would have been seen as opportunistic. I think that would have damaged the Democrat party, not just his own presidency.

I want to give the guy the same benefit of a doubt that I gave Bush during 9/11. Hell, Bush even won me over for a solid year with his performance there hard as that is to believe for even me. But there's nothing that I can give him an A mark on here. I think it was John Stewart who said, "to call this Obama's Katrina is unfair to Bush!"

Commissions and beuracracy... He's trying to solve this by passing the buck.

Chocolate Hog
06-15-2010, 10:08 PM
He should have filled a football stadium and gave a speech.

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 10:08 PM
A new Czar. That should help.

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 10:09 PM
Shit, that's been his entire campaign and Presidency. Knee-jerk reactions, vague explanations, lack of action and promises to make the "bad guy" pay.

Now what will be interesting is if the "far left radicals" truly start to go after him more intensely than ever. Because it sounds like this speech just exposed "his empty suit" to the Far Left that they haven't seen before. Meaning they are coming out of their O'botism and seeing him for who he really is and IS NOT.

HonestChieffan
06-15-2010, 10:12 PM
Disaster Czar ( http://article.nationalreview.com/436453/stuck-on-stupid-obamas-czar-fetish/michelle-malkin ) may need to focus on Obamas performance and let BP do their work.

Chiefshrink
06-15-2010, 10:12 PM
I don't think that he could bring up cap and trade in this speech. It would have been seen as opportunistic. I think that would have damaged the Democrat party, not just his own presidency.

I want to give the guy the same benefit of a doubt that I gave Bush during 9/11. Hell, Bush even won me over for a solid year with his performance there hard as that is to believe for even me. But there's nothing that I can give him an A mark on here. I think it was John Stewart who said, "to call this Obama's Katrina is unfair to Bush!"

Commissions and beuracracy... He's trying to solve this by passing the buck.

You are not comparing 9/11 to BP are you???? I am giving you the benefit here that you are talking about how he approaches a crisis or lack there of. Is that correct??

ROYC75
06-15-2010, 10:28 PM
The only thing I seen of Obo was that he was speaking, err babbling on Prime Time again.

That's all .

ChiefaRoo
06-15-2010, 10:35 PM
I heard he had mannequins dressed up as BP execs and he was totally kicking their asses all over the Oval Office.

Hiiiyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Yooooooooooooooooooo! Yes!

Dylan
06-15-2010, 10:44 PM
In his energy speech tonight, President Obama followed his standard speech formula, and delivered a bloodless performance that Jimmy Carter could have beaten even without a sweater. President Obama has a standard rhetorical approach that is fraying over time, and, once again, he has shown it to us tonight:

1) Invoke and exaggerate a problem - ‘There is an oil spill in the Gulf!’
Yes, there is, and it’s a real problem we all know about. But contra Obama, it’s not a problem like 9/11, or the war in Afghanistan. It is a problem that we have dealt with before, and can deal with now. This is an environmental catastrophe. It is not, however, an act of war by a hostile power, or a cold war that might require a show of bravado such as traveling to the moon as Obama implied tonight. Our goal should be to figure out how to make oil use safer, not, as the President implied, to ensure that accidents never happen. That zero-risk world only exists in fantasy. (Point of irony here: while invoking the space race, President Obama himself has personally directed the destruction of America’s ability to reach the moon again, or even get into low-earth orbit. The man who has personally destroyed America’s ability to get into space is trumpeting the Apollo program as a model of progress. The irony is palpable. It is a wonder that the internal brain conflict doesn’t cause his head to explode like a scene in “Mars Attacks”).


2) Blame the last guy - ‘This wasn’t our doing, Bush de-regulated the industry!’
President Obama implied that much of the blame for the Gulf spill was because former President George Bush deregulated the oil industry. But the myth of “Bush the Deregulator” has been debunked almost as often as Obama’s claim to have stopped smoking. Bush didn’t deregulate, in fact, he presided over a massive expansion of the regulatory state - see also, Tea Party disaffection with Bush-era Republicans.


3) Invoke a straw man - ‘Some people say we can’t fix this, that it’s too hasty/expensive/draconian/etc.’

Yes, and most of those people are right, and have been shown to be right in studies by non-partisan agencies of President Obama’s own government. The idea that you can simply raise the cost of energy production by mandating higher-priced “alternatives” without harming the economy is one of the biggest lies of our time. It is equivalent to saying that you can bleed a person half to death without inducing anemia. Does this President (who completely dismisses American exceptionalism) really believe that high-tech countries like Israel and Japan (who sell us technology we can’t even manufacture), have failed to find alternatives to oil for 50 years, but somehow, America will pull a miracle out of a hat on a government time-table?


4) Baldly espouse optimistic drivel - ‘But the time for naysaying is past. Yes, we can! We can and we must!’

Dozens of authors with accumulated centuries of experience have published books pointing out that this claim is absolute rubbish. The United States, and every developed economy will rely on fossil fuels for at least 50 years. There simply is not an affordable, sufficiently abundant alternative. Anyone who says otherwise is, to be kind…prevaricating. This kind of silliness should be beneath the dignity of the President of the United States. He might as well appoint Spock as head of his Department of Energy to develop a warp drive or transporters in the next 10 years.


5) Play Brer Rabbit: ‘Now, I don’t want to nationalize/socialize/regulate/confiscate this thing. I don’t want the government to take over the oil industry…’

Except, that’s exactly what President Obama wants, and in this case, it’s a straight up money-grab. President Obama wants to force BP to put up a massive slush fund (between 20 and 50 BILLION dollars) that his government can use as it wishes, regardless of the fact that the US government had previously capped BP’s liability far too low, and approved their drilling plan that had no contingency for a blow-out of the sort that we’ve seen. And this approval was agreed to by the US government under Obama’s own watch, even though he’d campaigned on claims that the regulatory agency involved was incompetent. Now that’s hubris akin to the joke about the guy who kills his parents and begs mercy because he’s just become an orphan.


The bottom line: President Obama’s energy speech was more of the same old thing, demagoguery of the worst sort, designed to enhance the power of government over the private sector. Hopefully, cooler heads, looking ahead to the midterm election, will prevail over the wishes of President Obama, who seems to have fallen for his own special myth: that his oratorical skills are capable of convincing people to abandon reality, and embrace the Obamatopia that has failed everywhere it has been tried, and is on the verge of destroying Europe.

Source: Below

ChiefaRoo
06-15-2010, 10:56 PM
You people who voted for this guy are suckers.

Dylan
06-15-2010, 11:13 PM
Source: AEI Scholar Kenneth Green:

AEI, a business group formed in New York City in 1938. It opened a Washington office to advocate rapid postwar economic demobilization and, more generally, to improve Congress's understanding of the economic consequences of its actions. Today, the Institute has a staff of 185, including seventy scholars and fellows.

After seven decades, AEI continues to serve a vital role in the intellectual life of the nation. The Institute furnishes policymakers with ideas to meet the pressing challenges of today based on the resilient principles of private liberty, individual opportunity, and free enterprise.


A few Web sites journalists go to shape their stories: Guide to Legal Policy Experts

NGO Watch http://www.globalgovernancewatch.org/ngo_watch/

Listing of AEI Scholars and Fellows A-Z:http://www.aei.org/scholars

American Constitution Society http://www.acslaw.org/c21/constitutionalinterpretation

Global Governance Watch Global Governance Watch® (GGW) Its goal is to raise awareness about global governance, to monitor how international organizations influence domestic political outcomes, and to address issues of transparency and accountability within the United Nations, related intergovernmental organizations (IGOs). http://www.globalgovernancewatch.org/

The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policies [/B] http://www.fed-soc.org/aboutus/id.29/default.asp

orange
06-15-2010, 11:29 PM
Source: AEI "Scholar" Kenneth Green

November 10, 2009

Senator Kerry (interrupting): Has your study been peer reviewed?
AEI "Scholar" Kenneth Green: Pardon me?

Senator Kerry: Has your study been peer reviewed?
AEI "Scholar" Kenneth Green: No, I don’t work in the peer review literature, Senator. I don’t work for a university.

http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/10/kenneth-green-american-enterprise-institute-aei/


"No, I don’t work in the peer review literature, Senator."

stevieray
06-15-2010, 11:57 PM
You forget Marxism. Lots and lots of marxism (oh, and a little alinskyizing for good measure).

Jim Wallace
Van Jones
Ron Bloom


..you've got the Alinsky part covered.

stevieray
06-16-2010, 12:01 AM
If he was pimping Cap n Trade it was so poorly done it was not recognized. .

American Power Act is Cap and Trade. Progressives like to change names. just like the Jobs (makes you feel good) bill was really another Stimulus Bill.

DaneMcCloud
06-16-2010, 01:37 AM
So, Obama sucks ass. But IMO, McCain's old feeble ass, especially after he attached himself to that dumbshit Sarah Palin, would have been worse. Maybe far worse.

The bottom line is that until we get term limits for senators and representatives passed, along with eliminating the influence of special interest groups and lobbyists, Washington, DC and our Federal government isn't going to change. It'll just be more of the same, year after year. Finger pointing and the changing of seats won't solve a thing.

I fear that there will be a major revolution in the next decade because Federal Government is completely inept and out of touch.

And don't even get me stared on state and local government. I think they're dumber than the Feds.

Taco John
06-16-2010, 02:07 AM
I can see why. You live in California.

DaneMcCloud
06-16-2010, 02:08 AM
I can see why. You live in California.

How can someone with such a big head have such a tiny brain?

Chocolate Hog
06-16-2010, 02:26 AM
Dane there were more choices then just Obama or McCain.

redsurfer11
06-16-2010, 04:21 AM
I watched Ancient Aliens during that time slot. Didn't feel like watching a real Alien on every other channel.

Direckshun
06-16-2010, 05:55 AM
Dane there were more choices then just Obama or McCain.

The honorable Bob Barr FTW.

InChiefsHell
06-16-2010, 06:02 AM
At this point, I can honestly say I'd prefer Hillary to this clown. And I can't stand that wench. McCain would have sucked, but no way he would suck this bad. No way he's sitting on his hands blaming the rest of the fuggin' world. Obama is abysmally horrible. I know many Obots will just support the guy because he's on their "team" (Hell, I gave Bush a ton of passes before I woke up in 2005 and realized he sucked), but people really need to wake up and see that the Emperor has no clothes...

HonestChieffan
06-16-2010, 06:20 AM
Gotta love this...http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/06/obamas-gulf-speech-in-one-sentence.html

Tuesday, June 15, 2010
Obama's Gulf Speech In One Sentence
...

"I don't know where I'm going, but follow me anyway."

patteeu
06-16-2010, 06:25 AM
At this point, I can honestly say I'd prefer Hillary to this clown. And I can't stand that wench. McCain would have sucked, but no way he would suck this bad. No way he's sitting on his hands blaming the rest of the fuggin' world. Obama is abysmally horrible.

Correct

InChiefsHell
06-16-2010, 06:31 AM
OLbermann said God Damn in that clip...interesting. Always thought that God Damn was edited on TV. Love how he and Matthews are beside themselves about how much Obama sucks. Then Olbermann throws in how BP is "stopping people" from volunteering in the cleanup effort because they don't want any pictures of people wearing gas masks to keep from passing out from the "God Damn" dispersant that was sprayed.

I mean, Olbermann is a joke as is Matthews, so it doesn't really matter what these guys say, I guess I'm just amazed that they still have jobs...

HonestChieffan
06-16-2010, 06:40 AM
Olberman and Matthews have to reflect the feelings of a lot of the Obots. Everything they bought into is crashing down around them. You can sense that in how quiet the rabid O's were before. I have a number of friends who were way out there in the Obama thing, doing the house coffees, going door to door. Now they are like hermits. Once they were pretty good at speaking the lines but now its more like embarrassment.

Duck Dog
06-16-2010, 06:43 AM
The experiment is over.

dirk digler
06-16-2010, 06:45 AM
This by far wasn't his best speech and I think this would have been better if he did it between day 1-10 of the oil spill. At this point though I don't think there is much to do now except wait until they drill the reserve well. Unfortunate as it is the Gulf Coast is screwed big time.

Chiefshrink
06-16-2010, 08:01 AM
I don't think that he could bring up cap and trade in this speech. It would have been seen as opportunistic. I think that would have damaged the Democrat party, not just his own presidency.

Commissions and beuracracy... He's trying to solve this by passing the buck.

Finally saw the speech and have to disagree. He did pimp the new American Power Act(ala Cap and Trade) he just didn't call it that in "formal terms".

He just disguised it in "New Energy" new speak that "We the People" have to act on NOW!!!! :shake:

I agree he is trying to solve this by "passing the buck"(ala Alinskyizing) but then that is all he knows.

CoMoChief
06-16-2010, 08:05 AM
Quite frankly, this has got to be the weakest vision of the future a president has ever laid out:

"...What has defined us as a nation since our founding is our capacity to shape our destiny - our determination to fight for the America we want for our children. Even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there. We know we'll get there..."

Well what else more do you expect coming from someone who literally thinks money grows from trees?

thecoffeeguy
06-16-2010, 08:06 AM
Empty suit in the White House.

Obama is in way over his head. He is NOT a leader. He is a joke.

Chiefshrink
06-16-2010, 08:07 AM
Olberman and Matthews have to reflect the feelings of a lot of the Obots. Everything they bought into is crashing down around them. You can sense that in how quiet the rabid O's were before. I have a number of friends who were way out there in the Obama thing, doing the house coffees, going door to door. Now they are like hermits. Once they were pretty good at speaking the lines but now its more like embarrassment.

Thoroughly agree. My Post #31

Now what will be interesting is if the "far left radicals" truly start to go after him more intensely than ever before. Because it sounds like this speech just exposed "his empty suit" to the Far Left that they haven't seen before. Meaning they are coming out of their O'botism and seeing him for who he really is and IS NOT.

Chiefshrink
06-16-2010, 08:33 AM
At this point, I can honestly say I'd prefer Hillary to this clown. And I can't stand that wench. McCain would have sucked, but no way he would suck this bad. No way he's sitting on his hands blaming the rest of the fuggin' world. Obama is abysmally horrible. I know many Obots will just support the guy because he's on their "team" (Hell, I gave Bush a ton of passes before I woke up in 2005 and realized he sucked), but people really need to wake up and see that the Emperor has no clothes...

I said that when Obama got elected that this will be the best "silver lining" indirect blessing to our country in so many ways as much as I hate the present overall condition of our country. Here are just a few:

1. This present generation is truly learning what the Constitution say's about our liberties and freedoms and how the Constitution protects them AND HOW THEY ARE BEING STOLEN. They are also learning accurate American History and beginning to reject the decades of Alinskyized American history realizing they have been duped into false guilt for America's Exceptionalism.

2. Radical Marxists will have destroyed the Dem Party for decades to come because the American people will now be able to identify "liberty and freedom" THIEVES.

3. Americans will "restore" our Liberties and Freedoms in due time by "REPEALING" not just Obama's legislation but previous administrations legislation as well.

Bottom Line: The American People are AWAKE and WILL TAKE BACK THEIR COUNTRY!!

bluehawkdoc
06-16-2010, 08:38 AM
He doesn't have time for addressing the nation. He's got some ass-kicking to do....

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RaiderH8r
06-16-2010, 09:09 AM
Finally saw the speech and have to disagree. He did pimp the new American Power Act(ala Cap and Trade) he just didn't call it that in "formal terms".

He just disguised it in "New Energy" new speak that "We the People" have to act on NOW!!!! :shake:

I agree he is trying to solve this by "passing the buck"(ala Alinskyizing) but then that is all he knows.

His blatant opportunism in the midst of this tragedy is disgusting. He's like the guy who, upon coming to a man shot in the street, would rifle his pockets for money before offering any help.

That's his approach to this disaster, he's rifling for political opportunity to pass his agenda instead of taking the bull by the horns and running an effective Executive.

ROYC75
06-16-2010, 09:19 AM
So, Obama sucks ass. But IMO, McCain's old feeble ass, especially after he attached himself to that dumbshit Sarah Palin, would have been worse. Maybe far worse.


Huh, good thing you said, IMO .... cause it is just that.

FTR, Nobody can be sure McCain/Palin would have been worst,just your opinion.

Chief Henry
06-16-2010, 09:23 AM
What a pathetic excuse for a President we have.

This guy is in way over his head.


Very accurate discription. If the shills at PMSNBC are noticing :eek:

patteeu
06-16-2010, 09:25 AM
Huh, good thing you said, IMO .... cause it is just that.

FTR, Nobody can be sure McCain/Palin would have been worst,just your opinion.

It's an opinion alright. And it's as likely to be widely accepted by thoughtful people as the opinion that life for a woman under the Taliban was refreshingly simple.

bobbymitch
06-16-2010, 09:26 AM
From "Politics Daily" - "The president also pushed for comprehensive energy reform, saying, "For decades we have known the days of cheap and easily accessible oil were numbered," and that "for decades, we have failed to act with the sense of urgency that this challenge requires." Obama cited a lack of political courage and candor and called on the American public to end its addiction to fossil fuels and its dependence on foreign oil."

Okay, so we get rid of all gas and diesel engines (that will jump start low employment in many industries) and switch to, what? Natural gas? Clean burning, no nasty emissions. Ooops, it's a form of fossil fuel. So that's out. What's left? Fred Flintstone-mobiles? Don't say electric, as I defy anyone to make any battery without using any type of fossil fuel.

I don't care who is in the Whitehouse or Congress. Unless our federal government lights up everyone of it's buildings with solar/wind power, then all they can keep their traps shut. Until POTUS flies without the use of fossil fuels and drives/pedals his way around without burning the remains of a dead plant or animal, only then he/she can tell me that I better get with the program.

It's called Leadership for a reason.

chiefsnorth
06-16-2010, 09:30 AM
He really did bomb in that speech.


Worse than his lack of any clue how to respond to the oil spill is what this tells terrorist and our other enemies: that he is clueless in a crisis, and crises paralyze him with fear of shouldering blame or making a mistake, rather than rising to the occasion.

LOCOChief
06-16-2010, 09:53 AM
I live in a gulf community in SW FL and it seems everyone has been severly depressed with the leak, but after last nights abismal speach the only thing most if talked to today seem reassured of is this isn't going to get fixed and everyone is just pissed and very very sad. I'm taking my son tarpon fishing tonight because who knows this might be the last time we see the migration here, in my lifetime anyway

petegz28
06-16-2010, 09:59 AM
The Community Organizer in Chief is doing a piss-poor job of organizing anything to help get this fixed.

patteeu
06-16-2010, 10:03 AM
The Community Organizer in Chief is doing a piss-poor job of organizing anything to help get this fixed.

Community organizers do three things, none of which are helpful here. They organize protests, they get out the vote, and they file lawsuits.

FAX
06-16-2010, 10:11 AM
As an independent thinker and semi-libertarian whose politics are rooted in capitalism and blatant, self-serving mercenariness, I thought that speech was a giant spill of weak sauce. I almost feel sorry for the guy.

FAX

Hydrae
06-16-2010, 10:14 AM
From "Politics Daily" - "The president also pushed for comprehensive energy reform, saying, "For decades we have known the days of cheap and easily accessible oil were numbered," and that "for decades, we have failed to act with the sense of urgency that this challenge requires." Obama cited a lack of political courage and candor and called on the American public to end its addiction to fossil fuels and its dependence on foreign oil."

Okay, so we get rid of all gas and diesel engines (that will jump start low employment in many industries) and switch to, what? Natural gas? Clean burning, no nasty emissions. Ooops, it's a form of fossil fuel. So that's out. What's left? Fred Flintstone-mobiles? Don't say electric, as I defy anyone to make any battery without using any type of fossil fuel.

I don't care who is in the Whitehouse or Congress. Unless our federal government lights up everyone of it's buildings with solar/wind power, then all they can keep their traps shut. Until POTUS flies without the use of fossil fuels and drives/pedals his way around without burning the remains of a dead plant or animal, only then he/she can tell me that I better get with the program.

It's called Leadership for a reason.

This place does not have enough rep for to indicate what an excellent post this is! :thumb:

Dylan
06-16-2010, 10:52 AM
Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?

mlyonsd
06-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?

My guess is she quit asking by now.

Donger
06-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Wow. Pretty ironic considering that one speech got the liberals to wet their pants over the guy.

RaiderH8r
06-16-2010, 12:12 PM
Community organizers do three things, none of which are helpful here. They organize protests, they get out the vote, and they file lawsuits.

He's so paralyzed with fear of doing the wrong things that he can't bring himself to even do the right things. Everything he does gets first consideration in the context of how it will make him look to others. It is sad and it is not leadership.

KC Dan
06-16-2010, 12:13 PM
Finally go to watch that MSleaseNBC hit piece. Wow...just WOW!

blaise
06-16-2010, 12:26 PM
Finally go to watch that MSleaseNBC hit piece. Wow...just WOW!

yeah, I'll give Olbermann some credit. I know it broke his heart to do it, but they were cracking Obama pretty good.

Baby Lee
06-16-2010, 12:29 PM
yeah, I'll give Olbermann some credit. I know it broke his heart to do it, but they were cracking Obama pretty good.

I honestly worry about Olbermann, he seems deeply invested in the notion that the world entire is comprised of either good people or bad people, and that his purpose in the world is to scold the bad people. He may have no where to turn when it dawns on him that all people are imperfect and most are striving to do what seems right to them.

Chocolate Hog
06-16-2010, 12:50 PM
The honorable Bob Barr FTW.

You're aware theres a primary too?

kaplin42
06-16-2010, 12:58 PM
I watched Ancient Aliens during that time slot. Didn't feel like watching a real Alien on every other channel.
:spock:

Chiefshrink
06-16-2010, 02:54 PM
His blatant opportunism in the midst of this tragedy is disgusting. He's like the guy who, upon coming to a man shot in the street, would rifle his pockets for money before offering any help.

That's his approach to this disaster, he's rifling for political opportunity to pass his agenda instead of taking the bull by the horns and running an effective Executive.

Excellent analogy. Rifling through BP and then the poor folks pockets because now that Obama has total control of BP's Compensation $$ no way in hell these poor folks in the Gulf will get their fair share if any at all:shake:

Chiefshrink
06-16-2010, 02:57 PM
He really did bomb in that speech.


Worse than his lack of any clue how to respond to the oil spill is what this tells terrorist and our other enemies: that he is clueless in a crisis, and crises paralyze him with fear of shouldering blame or making a mistake, rather than rising to the occasion.

You are right on:thumb: Look for our enemies to not only smell and taste more blood in the water but now they will have more confidence knowing we have a President that is a TRUE POSER !

InChiefsHell
06-16-2010, 03:08 PM
I want to know who this "third party" is that is going to administer the fund...

KC Dan
06-16-2010, 03:09 PM
I want to know who this "third party" is that is going to administer the fund...
ACORN, Apollo Group, George Soros, you choose....

HonestChieffan
06-16-2010, 03:12 PM
I want to know who this "third party" is that is going to administer the fund...


The Pay Czar. They announced it a while ago

patteeu
06-16-2010, 03:14 PM
I want to know who this "third party" is that is going to administer the fund...

It's the same guy who managed the payout fund after 9-11. I don't remember his name.

Dylan
06-16-2010, 11:21 PM
Excerpts from President Obama's BP Oval Office Speech
The transition away from fossil fuels will take some time, but over the last year and a half, we have already taken unprecedented action to jumpstart the clean energy industry. As we speak, old factories are reopening to produce wind turbines,

When I was a candidate for this office, I laid out a set of principles that would move our country towards energy independence. Last year, the House of Representatives acted on these principles by passing a strong and comprehensive energy and climate bill – a bill that finally makes clean energy the profitable kind of energy for America’s businesses.

Now, there are costs associated with this transition. And some believe we can’t afford those costs right now. I say we can’t afford not to change how we produce and use energy – because the long-term costs to our economy, our national security, and our environment are far greater.

.........................................


Politics Daily

Foreign Firms Dominate Wind Energy in U.S., Land Stimulus Dollars
by James Grady and Bonnie Goldstein
May 25, 2010


On Tuesday, former President George W. Bush was the star speaker for WINDPOWER 2010 in Dallas, a conference and exhibition hosted by the American Wind Energy Association. AWEA is one of the many rich, professional associations in Washington, D.C., that collects dues from member companies and amalgamates their interests into legislative agendas. It is, in short, a lobbying group.

AWEA also claims credit for being "the voice of wind energy in the U.S." by representing "more than 2,500 member companies" and offering a possible solution to the government's dream agenda for energy and environmental policy: a clean, alternative power source spun out of America's air. But ironically, this political force is dominated by foreign companies, which make up two-thirds of the organization's event sponsors. AWEA's current board president, Donald Furman reports to Iberdrola Renewables from Spain and the previous board president, Jim Walker, works for the French corporation EDF Energies Nouvelles. The powerful association's controlling "leadership council" has 20 slots, and 10 are filled by representatives of European-owned companies that pay $150,000 a year each for a voice in the political agendas AWEA pushes in D.C.

As well-versed influence purveyors, AWEA embraces both major political parties. Besides former Republican President Bush, Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan (N.D.) and Obama's Department of Energy Assistant Secretary, Cathy Zoi, were to address AWEA conventioneers this week.

In 2008, congressional records show, AWEA spent $1.6 million lobbying Congress and federal agencies; by 2009, AWEA's political expenditures were $4.3 million. While some expense undoubtedly went to pushing for a federal requirement that a percentage of all energy produced in the US use renewable means, the "American" association also deftly opposed a "Buy American" provision for renewable energy stimulus grants proposed by a group of Democratic senators led by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.).

The makeup of the AWEA reflects the state of the wind energy industry in the U.S. America's wind farms now have the capacity to power as many as 9.7 million homes -- about 2 percent of the nation's energy needs -- but foreign companies build many of the turbines being installed today. In part, that's because American utilities lack the expertise, and few American companies manufacture the equipment. Overseas companies also own and manage many of the wind farms sprouted along our amber fields of grain. Last year their U.S. subsidiaries even tapped the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, sending billions in federal stimulus dollars to foreign-owned energy and manufacturing conglomerates in Europe and Asia.

Through one stimulus measure -- the Section 1603 Grant Program -- developers of renewable energy are entitled to a reimbursement of 30 percent of the cost of building a facility. Since last September, that government program has given out $2.3 billion to developers of U.S. wind farms. About 70 percent of the rebates -- more than $1.6 billion in U.S. tax dollars -- has gone to foreign developers, according to an analysis in February by the Washington-based Investigative Reporting Workshop of grant information released by the Department of Energy.

Among other goals, the stimulus package is meant to "create new jobs and save existing ones." Supporters say this particular stimulus program has generated jobs in construction and maintenance of new wind farms. But the bulk of economic activity from investing in wind, as much as 70 percent according to industry analysts, is in manufacturing of turbines, and most of that manufacturing is done by foreign firms.

Wind turbines are composed of a giant steel tower supporting huge blades and a control unit called a nacelle. Both the tower and the turbine's nacelle (containing the gear box, speed shafts, generator, brakes, and other parts) require a high-level of manufacturing precision and reliability. At last count, 1,758 of the 2,211 turbines put up under this stimulus grant program were built by foreign companies, according to the most recent analysis by the Investigative Reporting Workshop.

Some of these companies have invested in U.S. factories and others are planning to do so. But the level of investment varies widely, from companies like Spain-based Gamesa, which has the ability to completely manufacture some models at its Pennsylvania plants, to India-based Suzlon, which has only one American plant that builds just one component -- hubs.
An example of foreign dominance of wind power is the Meadow Lake Wind Farm in Indiana. The farm, which picked up $113 million in U.S. stimulus funds, was developed by a Portuguese firm, Horizon-EDPR. Horizon hired the Danish firm Vestas to construct the turbines using steel towers built by the Vietnam factory, CS Wind, with blades and giant nacelles from Denmark.

A wind farm built for Puget Sound Energy, also by Vestas, received $28.6 million in stimulus funds. Its steel towers also came from Vietnam and the blades and nacelles from Denmark. And the U.S stimulus grant program gave $91.3 million to the Bull Creek wind farm in Texas -- a project that consists of 180 Japanese-built wind turbines constructed under the supervision of a British company for Japanese owners who use a French firm to manage the site.

It's not surprising that foreign companies collected the majority of stimulus dollars spent on the wind industry. Compared to mature and vibrant wind power industries in Europe and Asia, the U.S. has only two homegrown wind turbine manufacturers of any significance: General Electric and Clipper Wind. While both have assembly plants in the U.S., they also import many parts from factories overseas. G.E. and Clipper accounted for 49.3 percent of the U.S. turbine market in 2008. By 2009, that had slipped to 45.7 percent. As of late 2009, the two U.S. companies combined have 32.3 percent of the market for wind plants currently under development, according to AWEA market reports.

G.E. has three turbine manufacturing and assembly facilities in the U.S.: Greenville, S.C., Pensacola, Fla., and Tehachapi, Calif. G.E. also operates three wind turbine component manufacturing facilities in China. The company has opened a plant in Vietnam with the announced purpose of manufacturing up to 10,000 tons of components for use by G.E. in other countries.

Foreign companies didn't always dominate America's wind industry. In fact, the modern wind turbine is an American invention -- the first one-megawatt turbine was built here in the early 1940s, besting the next largest 100-killowatt turbine built by the Soviet Union. America's dreams of a modern, homegrown wind energy industry moved toward reality during the 1974-1975 energy crisis, when the OPEC cartel cut off our supply of relatively cheap oil.

Through the 1970s and into the mid-1980s, entrepreneurs and researchers -- buoyed by federal tax dollars and working in collaboration with NASA and the Department of Energy -- installed clusters of wind turbines. With the country on the cutting edge of technology and with tax incentives pushed by the Carter administration, the first large wind farms sprang up, including the Altamont Pass Wind Farm and the Tehachapi Wind Farm in southern California.

But in the 1980s, led by Reagan administration policies that favored "free-market" policies, Congress allowed key tax incentives to lapse and slashed federal funding for applied research and development for renewable energy. A slew of U.S. wind energy start-ups went bankrupt. European firms picked through the wreckage, scooping up some American companies and buying the technology of others. European governments made the political choice to pour billions of dollars into supporting their wind industries, improving the technology, and deploying turbines.

"We gave away a lot of our manufacturing infrastructure over the last 30 years," said David Foster, executive director of the Blue Green Alliance, a coalition of labor unions and environmental groups. "We gave up our technology and research and development, specifically in wind and solar -- wind to Europe, solar to Asia...We're suffering from policy chaos. We've brought the United States to being the number one installer of wind in 2008, but we don't have the policies that capture anywhere near as much of the manufacturing that we could -- and should."

Working with the Investigative Reporting Workshop, I first reported on the foreign dominance of U.S. wind energy interests last fall and updated my analysis of Department of Energy data on stimulus grants again this spring. The AWEA fired back at my investigation with criticism that my numbers did not tell the full story. According to the association, about 50 percent of
components in the turbines erected under the program were built domestically.

But the AWEA refused to disclose how it arrived at its data. The Department of Energy offered the same data, but again, with no additional evidence to support the claim.

This spring at a Washington, D.C., conference, AWEA's senior vice-president for public policy, Rob Gramlich, told a panel that it wasn't fair to equate money going to a company with a foreign name as meaning the money was going overseas. "That is patently false, of course, because there are a lot of foreign companies investing in the U.S.," said Gramlilch.

But four of eight foreign companies laid off or furloughed U.S. workers from their U.S. manufacturing facilities, citing lack of orders, during 2009. USA Today reported in January that "several wind-turbine companies announced layoffs last year, including at plants in Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Nebraska." In fact, AWEA's chief executive officer, Denise Bode (who was previously president of the Independent Petroleum Association of America and, before that, energy adviser to George W. Bush's transition team), told the newspaper last winter that the U.S. wind industry actually lost 1,500 manufacturing jobs since the stimulus passed , but that an equal number of jobs in construction and manufacturing were created.

This March, Schumer and three other Democratic senators introduced legislation to refocus stimulus spending under the Section 1603 program toward projects that can prove they create American jobs.

The bill attempts to apply the same "Buy American" provision that exists in other areas of the stimulus to renewable energy grants, but includes significant exceptions that make it more about transparency than about blocking imports. The proposed law would not apply to products produced by foreign companies at facilities in the U.S., provides exceptions if no American product exists or is too expensive, and requires the "Buy American" clause be applied in line with existing international trade agreements, many of which prohibit protectionist actions. While the "Buy American" clause might not be ironclad, the proposed legislation would require the administration to disclose to Congress how many American jobs would be created with each grant and why a foreign product was used instead of an American one.

Still, the AWEA responded to the Schumer legislation with loud protest. The association claimed the legislation would kill 85,000 jobs and launched a lobbying blitz covering Capitol Hill with executives from wind companies, many of them foreign.

Filed Under: Environment, Energy, PD Investigations

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/25/foreign-firms-dominate-wind-energy-in-u-s/

Taco John
06-17-2010, 12:30 PM
How can someone with such a big head have such a tiny brain?


That's not a very good comeback, especially in this forum. Everybody here knows the state that California is in due to your local politicians spending habits.


I was sympathizing with your statement:


And don't even get me stared on state and local government. I think they're dumber than the Feds.

You live in California. I can understand why someone in California would think very little of state and local government. You guys happen to have one of the worst track records of local governance in history. Your politicians have spent the state into insolvency.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 06:38 AM
I've lost track of precisely how many "No. 1" priorities Barack Obama now has. I believe he recently said cleaning up the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf -- drilled on a permit issued by the Obama Interior Department in the spring of 2009, which contained no emergency plan to deal with a blowout since federal regulators agreed none was needed -- was his new No. 1 priority. Just before the president broke for a game of golf.

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/a-sure-fire-way-to-get-us-back-to-work-97758274.html

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 07:06 AM
Moonbat tactic:

You forget Marxism. Lots and lots of marxism (oh, and a little alinskyizing for good measure).

State facts but saturate them in snarky sarcasm in a failed attempt to make them sound ridiculous.

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 07:44 AM
Moonbat tactic:



State facts but saturate them in snarky sarcasm in a failed attempt to make them sound ridiculous.

It seems to me all your tactics consist of are namecalling and telling everyone who doesn't believe as you they are stupid.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 09:25 AM
It seems to me all your tactics consist of are namecalling and telling everyone who doesn't believe as you they are stupid.

I bumped a few old threads from back in the primaries when I was trying to warn people about Obama and kept getting smeared by useful idiots like yourself.

Are you ready to apologize to the nation for promoting the abomination?

chiefforlife
07-04-2010, 09:29 AM
I bumped a few old threads from back in the primaries when I was trying to warn people about Obama and kept getting smeared by useful idiots like yourself.

Are you ready to apologize to the nation for promoting the abomination?

Go Away! Why are you back? You said you were leaving for good, keep your word, would ya...

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 09:32 AM
Go Away! Why are you back? You said you were leaving for good, keep your word, would ya...

Don't you like talking about Obama?

chiefforlife
07-04-2010, 09:42 AM
Don't you like talking about Obama?

I dont mind talking about Obama, just not in the manner you do. I was very disappointed to see you were back. Not because you are an idiot, just because you act like one.
I come to this forum to learn and have adult conversation about political topics. You have some points worth discussing, I just cant stand the way you go about it.
Sorry, I know you could care less about pissing people off and I usually stay out of your messes but I had to convey my opinion this time.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 10:09 AM
I dont mind talking about Obama, just not in the manner you do. I was very disappointed to see you were back. Not because you are an idiot, just because you act like one.
I come to this forum to learn and have adult conversation about political topics. You have some points worth discussing, I just cant stand the way you go about it.
Sorry, I know you could care less about pissing people off and I usually stay out of your messes but I had to convey my opinion this time.

Hey look, I'm abrasive. Guilty.

But you know what? This guy Obama IS A DISASTER. HE IS DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY.

I take that very seriously. And I don't suffer fools gladly.

I just bumped 4 or 5 threads from back in the primaries when all the Reverend Wright stuff came to light. Go and read some of the comments made by the O-Bots. They wanted this Marxist, race baiting piece of garbage to be our president, and they would do anything, say anything to make sure he got elected.

It was disgusting then, even more so now.

chiefforlife
07-04-2010, 10:17 AM
I too am disappointed in Mr. Obama so far but the man was left with a huge mess. I think he is a very intelligent man, doing his best. I dont agree with a lot of what he wants but I also dont believe he is out to destroy the country. That is awfully close to the "Moonbat" stance that you constantly preach about, but in the other direction.

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 10:55 AM
I bumped a few old threads from back in the primaries when I was trying to warn people about Obama and kept getting smeared by useful idiots like yourself.

Are you ready to apologize to the nation for promoting the abomination?


Not at all. That being said I don't know if I'll vote for him next time around. I'm just not a kneejerker.

memyselfI
07-04-2010, 11:27 AM
He sucks as bad as I feared if not worse. Anyone want to still laugh at me for claiming that Hillary should have stayed a senator and ran a loyal opposition plank?

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 11:35 AM
He sucks as bad as I feared if not worse. Anyone want to still laugh at me for claiming that Hillary should have stayed a senator and ran a loyal opposition plank?

obama>Hillary

which i'm starting to think don't mean too much

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 12:03 PM
I too am disappointed in Mr. Obama so far but the man was left with a huge mess.

"Left" with it? Who created it? Him and all the other senators and congressmen-- most of whom were democrats/communists.


I think he is a very intelligent man

Based on what? What has he done in his life to show he has a high IQ? In the sense that he is able to con people, yeah. He's smart. But in terms of creating or building anything tangible, I see no evidence of above average intelligence.

doing his best.

His best at what? The man is completely tone deaf, has blinders on and is going full steam ahead in every direction that the American people have told him not to.

If representative democracy is what you are looking for, Obama is the anithesis of that.

I dont agree with a lot of what he wants but I also dont believe he is out to destroy the country. That is awfully close to the "Moonbat" stance that you constantly preach about, but in the other direction.

Uh no. It's not close, it's not even in the same universe.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 12:07 PM
He sucks as bad as I feared if not worse. Anyone want to still laugh at me for claiming that Hillary should have stayed a senator and ran a loyal opposition plank?

Right now I think Hillary would have been the lesser of the two evils. McCain sucked ass and had no shot, this was the dem's to lose and they picked the most radical, leftist, divisive and inexperienced candidate they could find.

But you know what? We can see the bloodbath the dems are going to take in the mid-terms, and yet, look at the absolute garbage candidates the repugs are promoting--- Meg Whitman, McMahon et al.

It's gotten to the point where I hope that they all just drop dead. Because that is the only way we will stop these two political parties from destroying this country.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 12:08 PM
Not at all. That being said I don't know if I'll vote for him next time around. I'm just not a kneejerker.

Oh gee, that's just wonderful. I made a mistake oh well.