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max sleeper
06-17-2010, 08:19 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10937380

AP-GfK Poll: Public Thumbs up for Obama Health Law
AP-GfK poll: Public support for health care law at highest point since polling began in fall
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and TREVOR TOMPSON Associated Press Writers
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON

The vital signs are improving for President Barack Obama's health care plan.

The latest Associated Press-GfK poll on Obama's top domestic achievement finds support for the new overhaul has risen to its highest point since the survey started asking people about it in September six months before it became law.

The results now: 45 percent in favor, 42 percent opposed. That's a significant shift in public sentiment considering that opposition hit 50 percent after Obama signed the health plan into law in late March and that in May, supporters were outnumbered 39 percent to 46 percent.

"I thought when people began to realize what was in the health care package that they would see it's a good, solid program and that would dispel some of the misinformation," said Brigham Young University English professor Claudia Harris, 72, of Orem, Utah.

Electrical contractor Kerry Eisley of Moscow, Pa., said he thinks people are starting to get nuts-and-bolts information on how the law affects them.

"If we can insure more people across the United States and get the cost of health care down, I think that's a better thing," said Eisley, 43, a Republican who supports the plan, which passed without the vote of any GOP lawmaker.

The poll found support increased since May among men (from 36 percent to 46 percent), people in their prime working years (from 35 percent to 49 percent among 30-49 year-olds) and Republicans (from 8 percent to 17 percent.) The uptick among Republicans comes even as party leaders are calling for the law's repeal.

The changes coincide with a concerted effort by the Obama administration, congressional Democrats and their allies to sell the immediate benefits of the law.

Among the selling points: coverage for young adults on their parents' plan until they turn 26; a $250 rebate check for older people with high prescription costs; tax credits for some small businesses that cover their employees; and federal money to train more primary care doctors and nurses.

"They are clearly making progress in convincing more Americans that this bill is the right way to go," said Robert Blendon, a Harvard University public health school professor who tracks opinion trends on health care.

Despite the gains, the prognosis for Obama and the Democrats is guarded.

"In my view, they can claim victory if it gets a majority," Blendon added. "The country is so polarized, it just might not make it."

The $1 trillion, 10-year health care remake puts the nation on a path to coverage for all. Starting in 2014, everyone in the U.S. will be required to carry health insurance. The government will provide tax credits to help middle-class people not covered at work buy a policy through new competitive health insurance markets. Medicaid will be expanded to help low-income people. The plan is paid for through a combination of Medicare cuts and tax increases.

One complication for the president is that older people remain opposed to the law. Just last week, Obama answered questions at a televised town hall meeting in a senior center, but his assurances seem to be having little effect. The poll found that 56 percent of people 65 and older don't like the new law.

"I don't know if it's sustainable, and that's got us worried," said Audrey Guillot, 69, whose family owns a general store in Pierre Part, La. "How much can we borrow? How long before other countries start calling in our debts? Medicare is about to go broke when do you address that? How many bridges to nowhere can we build?"

The poll found that 51 percent trust Democrats to do a better job of handling health care, an issue that more than three-fourths rate as personally important to them. By comparison, 38 percent said they trusted Republicans.

Daniel Lowery, 23, a shipper at a Lowe's distribution center in Ohio, said he thinks Democrats "are headed in the right direction, for the most part." But he complained they haven't clearly explained how the complex law works.

"I think people would be more for it if they actually explained what they're giving us, because I barely know, and I watch news every day," said Lowery, who lives in Fostoria, south of Toledo.

The AP-GfK Poll involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,044 randomly chosen adults and was conducted by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Corporate Communications from June 9-14. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points.



AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and Associated Press writer Christine Simmons contributed to this report.

Ebolapox
06-17-2010, 08:23 PM
what is common since?

headsnap
06-17-2010, 08:51 PM
what is common since?

since jAZ was no longer getting the talking points they needed to get someone more common like max s...

Brainiac
06-17-2010, 09:51 PM
How does this prove that the "big scare from the Right is fading"?

Just wait until the law takes effect, your health insurance premiums skyrocket, and Nancy Pelosi gets her way and people are thrown in jail because they don't have health insurance.

Then see what your polls say.

max sleeper
06-17-2010, 09:58 PM
How does this prove that the "big scare from the Right is fading"?

Just wait until the law takes effect, your health insurance premiums skyrocket, and Nancy Pelosi gets her way and people are thrown in jail because they don't have health insurance.

Then see what your polls say.

There is the big scare-*****Just wait until the law takes effect, your health insurance premiums skyrocket, and Nancy Pelosi gets her way and people are thrown in jail because they don't have health insurance.**** :shake: Again it is fading... people just get tired of this BS pumped out by the right. Do people get thrown in jail for not having auto insurance? Everytime a righty blabs this on his entertainment talk show you nut jobs eat it up. Think for yourselves!!!!! Go Chiefs!

Taco John
06-17-2010, 10:07 PM
Meh. This was predictable. Public support isn't my concern. The bottom dropping out of the dollar (http://www.businessinsider.com/us-dollar-the-mother-of-all-bubbles-2010-6?utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BI_Select_061610_Personal) is more what I'm worried about.

ClevelandBronco
06-17-2010, 10:23 PM
Think for yourselves!!!!!

Other than to say, "Suck a big cow cock," I'm speechless.

ChiefaRoo
06-17-2010, 11:17 PM
There is the big scare-*****Just wait until the law takes effect, your health insurance premiums skyrocket, and Nancy Pelosi gets her way and people are thrown in jail because they don't have health insurance.**** :shake: Again it is fading... people just get tired of this BS pumped out by the right. Do people get thrown in jail for not having auto insurance? Everytime a righty blabs this on his entertainment talk show you nut jobs eat it up. Think for yourselves!!!!! Go Chiefs!

STFU

and

STFD

|Zach|
06-17-2010, 11:48 PM
Since....

Taco John
06-17-2010, 11:50 PM
Other than to say, "Suck a big cow cock," I'm speechless.

Bull.

You are sinceless.

|Zach|
06-17-2010, 11:56 PM
Republicans offend every single one of maxsleeper's sinces.

ClevelandBronco
06-18-2010, 12:31 AM
Republicans offend every single one of maxsleeper's sinces.

It's been that way sense he arrived.

googlegoogle
06-18-2010, 12:34 AM
What is the national debt again?

Taco John
06-18-2010, 12:46 AM
I'm begining to seance some sarcasm in hear.

|Zach|
06-18-2010, 01:02 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/29ely0p.jpg

Ebolapox
06-18-2010, 01:04 AM
I wince when I see him type the word since, it doesn't make any sense.

blaise
06-18-2010, 06:08 AM
maxsleeper reminds me of Dottefan, but with someone standing behind him and helping him.

alnorth
06-18-2010, 08:30 AM
I pretty much expected this. Those polls are only going to swing towards stronger support from here. It is why the GOP's strategy of not working with them in good faith in any way to get a much better bill when they were desperate for GOP votes was completely stupid. Fine if it works, but they lost the vote, and now this is forever. The crazy people promising we will repeal this law are out of their minds. There may be some minor tweaks or fixes, but within 6 to 10 years, this will be the 4th rail right alongside social security's 3rd rail.

BucEyedPea
06-18-2010, 08:53 AM
I pretty much expected this. Those polls are only going to swing towards stronger support from here. It is why the GOP's strategy of not working with them in good faith in any way to get a much better bill when they were desperate for GOP votes was completely stupid. Fine if it works, but they lost the vote, and now this is forever. The crazy people promising we will repeal this law are out of their minds. There may be some minor tweaks or fixes, but within 6 to 10 years, this will be the 4th rail right alongside social security's 3rd rail.

And down with it the country will go along with all the other fixes we've been put in. HC is even imploding in Europe and Canada who is considering charging fees. The Rs promising repeal are definitely posturing though.

BTW membership in the GOP should be closing soon for progressives like yourself. Here's another chance for you to consider becoming a Democrat.

Brainiac
06-18-2010, 10:17 AM
What Maxsleeper apparently doesn't understand is that health insurance premiums WILL necessarily skyrocket. You can't force the health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions without either forcing them into bankruptcy or allowing them to dramatically raise their rates.

It's simple economics. The problem is that people like Max think you can just vote for something and it will magically happen with no unintended negative side effects.

When those rates go up and the government forces everyone to pay the rates, I say again to Max: watch where those poll numbers go.

And I'll say this directly to Max: YOU need to think for YOURSELF and stop drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

blaise
06-18-2010, 10:22 AM
What Maxsleeper apparently doesn't understand is that health insurance premiums WILL necessarily skyrocket. You can't force the health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions without either forcing them into bankruptcy or allowing them to dramatically raise their rates.

It's simple economics. The problem is that people like Max think you can just vote for something and it will magically happen with no unintended negative side effects.

When those rates go up and the government forces everyone to pay the rates, I say again to Max: watch where those poll numbers go.

And I'll say this directly to Max: YOU need to think for YOURSELF and stop drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

maxspleeper understands catch phrases. That's about all.

Hydrae
06-18-2010, 10:24 AM
maxspleeper understands catch phrases. That's about all.

Go Chiefs!

Hydrae
06-18-2010, 10:24 AM
I am a Chiefs fan for sure and have been for about 2 decades now but putting that at the end of every post gets annoying after a while.

alnorth
06-18-2010, 10:26 AM
BTW membership in the GOP should be closing soon for progressives like yourself. Here's another chance for you to consider becoming a Democrat.

Yeah, you are brilliant. Realizing you don't have the votes to defeat something that will be in place forever, and pragmatically trying to reduce the damage (e.g. instead of encouraging first-dollar coverage, lets at least focus on catastrophic coverage and encourage HSA's, find another way to pay for it than taxes on businesses and the rich, etc) is "progressive".

It is because of people like you that this crap law passed and will be with us forever.

alnorth
06-18-2010, 10:27 AM
What Maxsleeper apparently doesn't understand is that health insurance premiums WILL necessarily skyrocket. You can't force the health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions without either forcing them into bankruptcy or allowing them to dramatically raise their rates.

Not necessarily, for the same reason that a group health plan at your job isn't incredibly expensive. If everyone has to buy it, you basically have a group health plan with lots of healthy people bringing down the cost.

If the individual mandate was not a part of it, then I'd agree. (It still might be the case if people opt to pay the penalty than get coverage)

blaise
06-18-2010, 10:28 AM
I am a Chiefs fan for sure and have been for about 2 decades now but putting that at the end of every post gets annoying after a while.

It actually makes me think he's not a Chiefs fan at all.

Taco John
06-18-2010, 12:44 PM
This thread is not quite the sinseation that Max thought it would be.

Bwana
06-18-2010, 12:55 PM
common since?

ROFL

FAIL

http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_1890653_l_1750426_1232229287_1229808532996.gif

FD
06-18-2010, 01:21 PM
I since that this will be the best thread sense BEP's fake Reagan quote.

BucEyedPea
06-18-2010, 01:57 PM
I since that this will be the best thread sense BEP's fake Reagan quote.

That quote is not fake, though. Calling it that was just a red herring.

RJ
06-18-2010, 01:59 PM
This thread is not quite the sinseation that Max thought it would be.


Sense when?

blaise
06-18-2010, 02:05 PM
I remember when a Coke cost 50 sense.

mlyonsd
06-18-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure why I keep clicking on this thread. :doh!:

vailpass
06-18-2010, 02:26 PM
I'm not sure why I keep clicking on this thread. :doh!:

Because you don't have any common since.

mlyonsd
06-18-2010, 02:33 PM
Because you don't have any common since.

I'll set'em up, you knock'em down sense you're so good at it.

headsnap
06-18-2010, 02:58 PM
That quote is not fake, though. Calling it that was just a red herring.

I thought you would have had enough cents to let that slide...

Iowanian
06-18-2010, 04:14 PM
Take some more pills.