PDA

View Full Version : Nat'l Security You can't make this up - Mexico sues Arizona over immigration law


mlyonsd
06-23-2010, 07:58 AM
FOXNews.com
- June 23, 2010

Mexico Joins Suit Against Arizona's Immigration Law, Citing 'Grave Concerns'

Mexico on Tuesday asked a federal court in Arizona to declare the state's new immigration law unconstitutional, arguing that the country's own interests and its citizens' rights are at stake.

Mexico on Tuesday asked a federal court in Arizona to declare the state's new immigration law unconstitutional, arguing that the country's own interests and its citizens' rights are at stake.

Lawyers for Mexico on Tuesday submitted a legal brief in support of one of five lawsuits challenging the law. The law will take effect July 29 unless implementation is blocked by a court.

The law generally requires police investigating another incident or crime to ask people about their immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" they're in the country illegally. It also makes being in Arizona illegally a misdemeanor, and it prohibits seeking day-labor work along the state's streets.

Until recently, Mexican law made illegal immigration a criminal offense -- anyone arrested for the violation could be fined, imprisoned for up to two years and deported. Mexican lawmakers changed that in 2008 to make illegal immigration a civil violation like it is in the United States, but their law still reads an awful lot like Arizona's.

Arizona's policy, which President Felipe Calderon derided during a recent U.S. trip as "discriminatory," states police can't randomly stop people and demand papers, and the law prohibits racial profiling.

Mexican law, however, requires law enforcement officials "to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country before attending to any issues."

Amnesty International recently issued a report claiming illegal immigrants in Mexico -- typically from Central America -- face abuse, rape and kidnappings, and that Mexican police do little to stop it. When illegal immigration was a criminal offense in Mexico, officials were known to seek bribes from suspects to keep them out of jail.

But Mexico said it has a legitimate interest in defending its citizens' rights and that Arizona's law would lead to racial profiling, hinder trade and tourism, and strain the countries' work on combating drug trafficking and related violence.

Citing "grave concerns," Mexico said its interest in having predictable, consistent relations with the United States shouldn't be frustrated by one state.

"Mexican citizens will be afraid to visit Arizona for work or pleasure out of concern that they will be subject to unlawful police scrutiny and detention," the brief said.

It will be up to a U.S. District Court judge to decide whether to accept the brief along with similar ones submitted by various U.S. organizations.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the law on April 23 and changes to it on April 30, has lawyers defending it in court.

In a statement issued late Tuesday, Brewer said she was "very disappointed" to learn of Mexico's filing and reiterated that "Arizona's immigration enforcement laws are both reasonable and constitutional."
"I believe that Arizona will ultimately prevail and that our laws will be found constitutional," Brewer added.

Brewer and other supporters of the bill say the law is intended to pressure illegal immigrants to leave the United States. They contend it is a needed response to federal inaction over what they say is a porous border and social problems caused by illegal immigration. They also argue that it has protections against racial profiling.

Mexican officials previously had voiced opposition to the Arizona law, with Calderon saying June 8 that the law "opens a Pandora's box of the worst abuses in the history of humanity" by promoting racial profiling and potentially leading to an authoritarian society.

U.S. officials have said the Obama administration has serious concerns about the law and may challenge it in court. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton recently went further by saying a lawsuit is planned.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/22/mexico-files-lawsuit-overturn-arizona-immigration-law/

Donger
06-23-2010, 08:03 AM
Mexican law, however, requires law enforcement officials "to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country before attending to any issues."

Hey Mexico? Go f*ck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.

petegz28
06-23-2010, 08:20 AM
Ok, Mexico is concerned about "its citizen's rights" in Arizona? Really? When did Arizona become part of Mexico?

LOCOChief
06-23-2010, 08:23 AM
When did Arizona become part of Mexico?

When? It's happening right now.

thecoffeeguy
06-23-2010, 08:43 AM
I think this is going to have the wrong affect Obama wants. I think this is just going to further piss off the American people.

I expect the stuff happening in Arizona to just further hate this administration and give more support to Arizona.

alpha_omega
06-23-2010, 08:45 AM
We are truly living in bizarro world!

BucEyedPea
06-23-2010, 09:28 AM
I think this is going to have the wrong affect Obama wants. I think this is just going to further piss off the American people.


Absoluutely! This is a bi-partisan issue.

HonestChieffan
06-23-2010, 09:34 AM
I think this is going to have the wrong affect Obama wants. I think this is just going to further piss off the American people.

I expect the stuff happening in Arizona to just further hate this administration and give more support to Arizona.


What affect do you think he wants? Really ponder this a bit. Its beyond reason for him to side against a state, do zero to stop the border violence and flood of illegals, ignore the outrage all across the country on this issue, and to side with Mexico against the US.

He cannot be stupid enough to think his position will be adopted by the voter public. So just what is his objective and why is he so hell bent to cause such division in the country?

blaise
06-23-2010, 09:44 AM
Hey, fellow Mexicans let's rally against the Arizona law! Nevermind all the reasons why people want to go there, let's not worry about poverty, lack of jobs and drug violence.

fan4ever
06-23-2010, 09:48 AM
I think this is going to have the wrong affect Obama wants. I think this is just going to further piss off the American people.

I expect the stuff happening in Arizona to just further hate this administration and give more support to Arizona.

Sure it will...but when has this administration cared about the will of the American people?

I just pray this doesn't come to a head before the 2010 elections...and they push this thing through like the healthcare bill.

By the way, we can sure use some of you folks out here "buy-cotting" us...lots of great golf courses at low prices now and resorts stays are dramatically reduced...please don't forget about us...our opposition sure hasn't.

vailpass
06-23-2010, 09:57 AM
The best part will be when the mumble mouthed lacky obama admits to Mexico that they are right and apologizes for the US transgressions, then awards Mexico damages.

Hydrae
06-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Wow, just wow. :shakehead:

Hey Calderon, if you are that concerned for your citizens maybe you need to do something to convince them that they should stay in their own country. Something like, I don't know, decent jobs?

vailpass
06-23-2010, 10:36 AM
Wow, just wow. :shakehead:

Hey Calderon, if you are that concerned for your citizens maybe you need to do something to convince them that they should stay in their own country. Something like, I don't know, decent jobs?

That's racist. Don't you know our country was built by immigrants?

Garcia Bronco
06-23-2010, 10:52 AM
(Snicker)

thecoffeeguy
06-23-2010, 11:22 AM
What affect do you think he wants? Really ponder this a bit. Its beyond reason for him to side against a state, do zero to stop the border violence and flood of illegals, ignore the outrage all across the country on this issue, and to side with Mexico against the US.

He cannot be stupid enough to think his position will be adopted by the voter public. So just what is his objective and why is he so hell bent to cause such division in the country?

He doesnt care about America or the people. He is really drawing a line between himself and the people. The prick is just ignoring the people of this country and doing what he wants. He could care less about anything. It will just further infuriate this country.

Sure it will...but when has this administration cared about the will of the American people?

I just pray this doesn't come to a head before the 2010 elections...and they push this thing through like the healthcare bill.

By the way, we can sure use some of you folks out here "buy-cotting" us...lots of great golf courses at low prices now and resorts stays are dramatically reduced...please don't forget about us...our opposition sure hasn't.

I agree.
Obama does not give a sh!t about this country or its people.
I just hope the American people dont forget what this asshat is doing to the country and the people.

2bikemike
06-23-2010, 11:47 AM
Wow, just wow. :shakehead:

Hey Calderon, if you are that concerned for your citizens maybe you need to do something to convince them that they should stay in their own country. Something like, I don't know, decent jobs?

Calderon is concerned about one thing and that's Green Backs flowing back into Mexico. This problem is a natural resource for the Mexican Government.

Valiant
06-23-2010, 06:30 PM
So when I am in Mexico I always have my passport on me outside of the resort.. If a Mexican is visiting the US on vacation I expect the same thing.. They will show their passport and be on their way..

Mexico needs to listen to CPetersons old addage.. stfu and stfd..

Bwana
06-23-2010, 06:46 PM
Hey Mexico.....

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/076/c/c/Eat_shit_and_die_sign__by_fanton.jpg

Iowanian
06-23-2010, 06:53 PM
They should REALLY show us by re-calling all of their citizens to the homeland to punish us....and keep our people from going there to spend money on chiclets and vacations.

RJ
06-23-2010, 06:59 PM
Arizona could be in trouble here, apparently Mexico has a really good lawyer.


http://i48.tinypic.com/2q9cadw.jpg

mlyonsd
06-23-2010, 07:08 PM
They should REALLY show us by re-calling all of their citizens to the homeland to punish us....and keep our people from going there to spend money on chiclets and vacations.

We should show them by executing every 10th one caught sneaking across the border.

Iowanian
06-23-2010, 09:57 PM
We should show them by executing every 10th one caught sneaking across the border.


how about tazing every 5th, in honor of the Cinco de Mayo?


I hope the AZ Governor puts in a call to Kim Jong Il to plead their case to Judge Judy.

Rain Man
06-23-2010, 10:02 PM
They should boycott Arizona and not go there any more. That'd show 'em.

blaise
06-23-2010, 10:18 PM
I doubt anyone would remember this but on the Howard Stern show they used to do this stupid bit where (I think) Gilbert Gottfried would act like he was a Mexican, but all he would say was "Sue" and "Si", and they would ask him questions,
"Are you going to sue?" Si. "Who are you going to sue?" Sue. "Sue, Sue?" Si.
It was incredibly stupid, but also funny.

Otter
06-24-2010, 06:45 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2010m6d22-Obama-may-be-planning-to-grant-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-by-executive-order (http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner%7Ey2010m6d22-Obama-may-be-planning-to-grant-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-by-executive-order)

Obama may be planning to grant amnesty to illegal aliens by executive order

With his approval rating plunging, along with the economy and faced with growing criticism for the lack of federal enforcement of U.S. immigration laws, Obama knows that there will be no vote before November, on so-called ‘comprehensive immigration reform,’ (amnesty for illegal aliens).

Unable to deliver amnesty as he promised, at least through Constitutional means, there is mounting concern that Obama will use the power of executive order to do so.

As I have said before…We will be told that granting citizenship to such a large group of people at once will be a tremendous boost to our tax base, and end our exploding budget deficits.

Of course, the vast majority of illegal aliens do not now, nor will they ever make enough money to even qualify for income taxes, they will simply join the 48 percent of Americans who currently pay nothing and our National Debt will continue to soar.

The real reason Obama wants to grant amnesty to the mostly Hispanic population, is to secure the vote that they would then have as American citizens. Obama believes that doing so would assure Democratic control of the White House and Congress for the next several generations.

At least eight U.S. Senators believe that Obama is preparing to order DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano to provide a defacto amnesty, through the use of massive deferred action or parole for the millions of illegal aliens now living inside our borders.

On Monday, Sens. Grassley, Hatch (R-Utah), Vitter (R-La.), Bunning (R-Ky.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Isakson (R-Ga.), Inhofe (R-Okla.), and Cochran (R-Miss.) sent a letter to the White House, demanding answers to this outrage.

The letter reads as follows:

“Dear President Obama:

We understand that there’s a push for your Administration to develop a plan to unilaterally extend either deferred action or parole to millions of illegal aliens in the United States. We understand that the Administration may include aliens who have willfully overstayed their visas or filed for benefits knowing that they will not be eligible for a status for years to come. We understand that deferred action and parole are discretionary actions reserved for individual cases that present unusual, emergent or humanitarian circumstances. Deferred action and parole were not intended to be used to confer a status or offer protection to large groups of illegal aliens, even if the agency claims that they look at each case on a “case-by-case” basis.

While we agree our immigration laws need to be fixed, we are deeply concerned about the potential expansion of deferred action or parole for a large illegal alien population. While deferred action and parole are Executive Branch authorities, they should not be used to circumvent Congress’ constitutional authority to legislate immigration policy, particularly as it relates to the illegal population in the United States.

The Administration would be wise to abandon any plans for deferred action or parole for the illegal population. Such a move would further erode the American public’s confidence in the federal government and its commitment to securing the borders and enforcing the laws already on the books.

We would appreciate receiving a commitment that the Administration has no plans to use either authority to change the current position of a large group of illegal aliens already in the United States, and ask that you respond to us about this matter as soon as possible.”

blaise
06-24-2010, 07:09 AM
He has to be able to get around the no health care for illegal immingrants thing somehow.

Bwana
06-24-2010, 07:16 AM
http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2010m6d22-Obama-may-be-planning-to-grant-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-by-executive-order (http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner%7Ey2010m6d22-Obama-may-be-planning-to-grant-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-by-executive-order)



:shake:

There are days I'm convinced Barry thinks $100 bills grow on trees. We are going to be soooooooo freaken broke at the end of this clowns term.

mlyonsd
06-24-2010, 07:24 AM
:shake:

There are days I'm convinced Barry thinks $100 bills grow on trees. We are going to be soooooooo freaken broke at the end of this clowns term.

It's in the socialist plan. Get enough people hooked on government it can never be changed.

Seriously though, even Obama isn't stupid enough to push through amnesty on an executive order.

blaise
06-24-2010, 07:30 AM
It's in the socialist plan. Get enough people hooked on government it can never be changed.

Seriously though, even Obama isn't stupid enough to push through amnesty on an executive order.

Sure he is. He can just say something like: It's time we stopped punishing people because of their nationality. This country was founded on inclusion. Let's not let it become grounded in small mindedness and hate. The politics of hate and racism must come to an end. Hate and racism and stop the hate.
Then he can let some underlings make more direct comparisons to the KKK and the Civil Rights era. Soon you will be able to clearly see that if you oppose amnesty you are nothing more than a Klansman.

mlyonsd
06-24-2010, 07:33 AM
Sure he is. He can just say something like: It's time we stopped punishing people because of their nationality. This country was founded on inclusion. Let's not let it become grounded in small mindedness and hate. The politics of hate and racism must come to an end. Hate and racism and stop the hate.
Then he can let some underlings make more direct comparisons to the KKK and the Civil Rights era. Soon you will be able to clearly see that if you oppose amnesty you are nothing more than a Klansman.
Well 'I' won't see it but there definitely would be some that did.

Oh, and anyone, even Palin, would beat him in 2012.

Otter
06-24-2010, 08:12 AM
Seriously though, even Obama isn't stupid enough to push through amnesty on an executive order.

Did you forget this is the same group that shoved health care down our throats despite mass protest all while the rest of the country was in shambles under the guise "we'll see what's in the bill after it's passed"?

Please don't forget these things, that's half the reason we're tit deep in shit right now.

Otter
06-24-2010, 08:30 AM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/mexican-drug-cartels-now-control-parts-of-arizona#viewSingle98561261

CASA GRANDE, AZ - Two men shot earlier this week could be the result of the ongoing battle between Mexican drug cartels now spilling over deep into Arizona, officials say.

Pinal County investigators say an area known as the smuggling corridor now stretches from Mexico's border to metro Phoenix.

The area , once an area for family hiking and off road vehicles has government signs warning residents of the drug and human smugglers.

Night vision cameras have photographed military armed cartel members delivering drugs to vehicles along Highway 8.

"We are three counties deep. How is it that you see pictures like these, not American with semi and fully automatic rifles. How is that okay?" asked Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu.

Babeu said he no longer has control over parts of his county.

"We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this," he said at a Friday news conference.

Five weeks ago Deputy Louie Puroll was ambushed and shot as he tracked six drug smugglers.

Sheriff Babeu said the ambush mirrored military tactics.

Even more disturbing, Babeu said the man who called in to 911 operators for help seemed to know a lot about the sheriff deputy's case.

"He told operators they could find him where the deputy was shot and talked about our search helicopter. Things that were talked about on the news," Babeu said.

When operators asked the fatally wounded man how he knew the area, he claimed he sold cantelope near mile post 150.

Both men were found dead several hours later.

Detectives say next to them was a Bushmaster automatic rifle used by police officers for patrolling. It does not appear to be stolen.

Investigators also revealed that an autopsy showed strap marks on one of the men that likely came from hauling heavy loads, they suspect were drugs.

One of the men, deputies say, was voluntarily deported seven times.

Babeu said he doesn't believe the drug cartel problems will not be solved when SB 1070 becomes a law, or with President Obama's promise of 1,200 troops spread out among four border states.

vailpass
06-24-2010, 11:14 AM
how about tazing every 5th, in honor of the Cinco de Mayo?


I hope the AZ Governor puts in a call to Kim Jong Il to plead their case to Judge Judy.

ROFL

kcfanXIII
06-26-2010, 01:14 AM
Sure it will...but when has this administration cared about the will of the American people?

I just pray this doesn't come to a head before the 2010 elections...and they push this thing through like the healthcare bill.

By the way, we can sure use some of you folks out here "buy-cotting" us...lots of great golf courses at low prices now and resorts stays are dramatically reduced...please don't forget about us...our opposition sure hasn't.

what happened to you guys shutting off the power to LA? seems that would end their boycott real quick...

googlegoogle
06-26-2010, 01:32 AM
Does any one sense impeachment cries for Obama if he abuses exec order privileges.

BucEyedPea
06-26-2010, 10:29 AM
what happened to you guys shutting off the power to LA? seems that would end their boycott real quick...

I read that can't really be done anyway.

BucEyedPea
06-26-2010, 10:32 AM
Does any one sense impeachment cries for Obama if he abuses exec order privileges.

I say he should definitely be impeached for him, his interior, energy and defense secretaries waiving safety regulations for BP in order to have access to a rich resevoir of oil available in the event oil exports can't get out of the Straits of Hormuz when the attack on Iran starts.