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DaKCMan AP
06-24-2010, 08:44 AM
7:30PM EST ESPN

DaKCMan AP
06-24-2010, 08:45 AM
Miami Heat trades first-round pick and Daequan Cook to Oklahoma City

The Heat traded Daequan Cook and the No. 18 pick to the Thunder, adding almost $3 million in cap space.
BY ISRAEL GUTIERREZ
igutierrez@MiamiHerald.com

It was already an afterthought, but Thursday's NBA draft almost completely became a non-factor Wednesday when the Heat carved out even more salary cap space by trading its first-round pick and Daequan Cook, the team confirmed.

While many expected the Heat to trade Michael Beasley by draft night -- and that might still happen -- Miami first moved Cook and the No. 18 pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for the 32nd overall pick (the second pick in round two), giving the team four second-round picks.

The Thunder can absorb Cook's $2.1 million salary next year without returning any salary to the Heat because it, too, is operating under the cap this summer.

Cook averaged 8.0 points and shot 36.8 percent from the field in three seasons with the Heat. By trading him, the Heat have only Beasley ($4.96 million) and Mario Chalmers ($850,000) under contract next season.

The Heat also avoids having to budget $1.2 million in salary cap space for the No. 18 pick.

With the salary cap set at $56 million, that would leave the Heat with enough space to re-sign Wade, another max-salary player and possibly a third max player (between $15-$17 million for the first year of the deal).

If the Heat finds a way to trade Beasley, which is considered a strong possibility, it would loosen up even more money and almost ensure the team could re-sign Udonis Haslem as well.

It all only adds to the anticipation of free agency, which begins July 1, when players can negotiate new deals that can then be signed as early as July 8.

Speculation remains rampant regarding where LeBron James will sign. ESPN analyst Jalen Rose recently announced via Twitter that Chicago has the best chance to sign him, with Miami holding a decent chance as well.

Regardless of where James lands, the Heat remains in position to create an immediate championship contender with this move and the expected move of Beasley. Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer and Dirk Nowitzki are expected to be among the options.

The draft doesn't necessarily become meaningless, however, given how often second-round picks become impact players.

Michael Redd, whom the Heat passed on in the draft five years ago, was a second-round pick, as was Boston's Glen ``Big Baby'' Davis.

``Monta Ellis, we had him really high on the board but then we got a little nervous because he had a knee issue,'' Chet Kammerer, Heat vice president of player personnel, said of the Golden State guard who was drafted out of high school and has averaged better than 16 points a game since his second season.

``Right before the draft, at one point, we had him real high, and then we sort of dropped him because of the knee and he was small and we just got Dorell [Wright in 2004] and knew he was a player that needed time. So you end up not doing it and he goes in the second round. Two years later he's almost an all-star. There are guys that surprise you with how productive they are. You kick yourself a little bit.''

The Heat now holds picks Nos. 32, 41, 42 and 48, though it's unlikely it will hold on to all of those.

Kammerer is confident there will be a skilled player when those picks come around.

``We also think that after from about the end of the first up until 40, we think there's a lot of parity,'' he said. ``There are a lot of players we think can be on NBA teams. In that respect, we think it's a rather deep draft.''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/23/1696974/miami-heat-trades-first-round.html#ixzz0rmINATYf

Hays
06-24-2010, 09:42 AM
If Miami could make that happen, wow that would be a star studded team.

Too bad NY would try to do the same thing.

DaKCMan AP
06-24-2010, 04:09 PM
Sources: Bulls to free up cap space

By Ric Bucher
ESPN The Magazine
Archive

The Chicago Bulls have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards, freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players in this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday.

It wasn't immediately clear what Washington would send to Chicago in the trade.

The deal can't be officially consummated until July 8, when the Wizards will have room under the salary cap to absorb Hinrich's $9 million contract without having to send back anything of similar value.

Since it's a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead if that were to happen.

Either way, moving Hinrich and the pick would push Chicago's space under the cap from $20 million to more than $30 million. That puts the Bulls on equal footing with the Miami Heat in pursuing not just one but two members of a free-agent class that is expected to include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire and Joe Johnson.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5324240

Buck
06-24-2010, 05:35 PM
Who is this years Dejuan Blair?

Detoxing
06-24-2010, 05:43 PM
So have Wade and James had their secret meeting yet to join Kobe in L.A? Or are they conspiring to go to NY together with Amare?

tk13
06-24-2010, 06:33 PM
LMAO David Stern playing to the crowd. Or rather the "unruly fans."

Al Bundy
06-24-2010, 06:39 PM
I wonder if Evan Turner goes 2?

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 06:41 PM
Ron Mercer and Derek Anderson yeahhh!!11

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 06:42 PM
Who is this years Dejuan Blair?

Sheron Collins

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 06:57 PM
I wonder why there isn't moire in this thread? im curious where the ku guys go

Pitt Gorilla
06-24-2010, 07:01 PM
I think Min should have taken Cousins.

the Talking Can
06-24-2010, 07:04 PM
very exciting

Buck
06-24-2010, 07:07 PM
Are the Lakers going to take anyone this year or just trade their picks?

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:25 PM
Gordon Heyward #9 lol

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:25 PM
haha Gordon Hayward at #9. WTF

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:26 PM
If Eric Bledsoe or Daniel Orton goes in the first round, that is just going to be sad and shame on all the scouts in the NBA.

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:26 PM
haha Gordon Hayward at #9. WTF

Its the jazz, they only draft white guys

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:27 PM
Luke Babbitt will be a much better pro than Gordon Hayward. Utah wiffs

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:28 PM
Its the jazz, they only draft white guys

So does Indiana, but there was a better white guy on the board.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:28 PM
I'd probably nail Hayward's sister after a few cocktails

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:29 PM
I'd probably nail Hayward's sister after a few cocktails

I liked the blond that congratulated him initially

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:31 PM
wtf is paul george

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:39 PM
Cole Trickle to the Hornets

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:41 PM
Cole is getting traded to OK City now!

Al Bundy
06-24-2010, 07:42 PM
Cole Trickle to the Hornets

Looks like he could be headed off to Oklahoma City.

TrickyNicky
06-24-2010, 07:43 PM
The crew shared a good belly laugh at Sherron Collin's expense.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:44 PM
Coles gonna go to OKC!!! AWESOME.

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:44 PM
Xavier is drafted next

BWillie
06-24-2010, 07:44 PM
X taken in the lottery. Boom.

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 07:46 PM
What do you know Carl henrys on tv

the Talking Can
06-24-2010, 07:50 PM
wow

i think both cole and X ended up in the best places for their games....

Cole can just play d and rebound in ok, no pressure to score

Reaper16
06-24-2010, 07:51 PM
What do you know Carl henrys on tv
LMAO

Miles
06-24-2010, 07:57 PM
If Eric Bledsoe or Daniel Orton goes in the first round, that is just going to be sad and shame on all the scouts in the NBA.

Wouldn't surprise me if both go late 1st.

Bearcat
06-24-2010, 07:58 PM
Cool... haven't ever gotten into the NBA much even though I'm interested to see how Jayhawks & other players do (I've wanted to like the Celtics for a while, but Pierce is such a freakin' baby...), but Durant & Aldrich a mere 400 miles away might be enough to hold my attention on one team. :hmmm:

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:08 PM
Man, Timberwolves got the steal of the draft. Luke Babbitt will be a great player.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:10 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if both go late 1st.

The Calipari hype will get them into the First Round :shake:

It's really amazing. I really can't blame kids to go play for him. I mean, if you are Daniel Orton, you are an identical recruit to Thomas Robinson. You come in limited minutes, score 3 PPG and play OK, but not great. You have bad knees...and you get projected in the 1st round? How is that really any different that Thomas Robinson? Robinson is long despite him being 6-9 and is a great athlete.

Pablo
06-24-2010, 08:15 PM
Cool... haven't ever gotten into the NBA much even though I'm interested to see how Jayhawks & other players do (I've wanted to like the Celtics for a while, but Pierce is such a freakin' baby...), but Durant & Aldrich a mere 400 miles away might be enough to hold my attention on one team. :hmmm:That's pretty much how I feel.

This may be the closest I've ever been to legitimately giving a shit about an NBA team.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:18 PM
I don't know if I can follow OKC now after they drafted that retard (Bledsoe). Man, they just threw that draft pick away. I don't see what they are going to do w/ a point guard that doesn't play point guard. They already are set at 1,2,3 and I don't see why you spend a first round draft pick on a POTENTIAL point guard, and a midget 2 guard that will end up being on the bench. Maybe they'll trade him to some retard GM

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:21 PM
The Calipari hype will get them into the First Round :shake:

It's really amazing. I really can't blame kids to go play for them. I mean, if you are Daniel Orton, you are an identical recruit to Thomas Robinson. You come in limited minutes, score 3 PPG and play OK, but not great. You have bad knees...and you get projected in the 1st round? How is that really any different that Thomas Robinson? Robinson is long despite him being 6-9 and is a great athlete.

There goes Bledsoe.

He seems much less of a question mark than Orton. NBA teams do often reach for size. 6-8, 220 is a lot different than 6-10, 260.

DaKCMan AP
06-24-2010, 08:21 PM
I don't know if I can follow OKC now after they drafted that retard (Bledsoe). Man, they just through that draft pick away.

Didn't they trade #18 to New Orleans in the Cole Aldrich/Mo Pete deal?

SPATCH
06-24-2010, 08:22 PM
Kevin Seraphin!!!!!!!!

It is painfully obvious that we are putting all of our eggs in the LeBron James basket. However, if we do not get him... We are definitely getting two max contract players /fingers crossed

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:22 PM
Didn't they trade #18 to New Orleans in the Cole Aldrich/Mo Pete deal?

Whew. I think your right, I'm just at work watching it on my phone so I miss the commentary. I saw that Cole got traded, didn't know they traded the #18 pick? Kudos to the Thunder's GM on that. Cole is in a great position to defend, block shots and rebound. OKC doesn't need anymore scoring. Ideal situation for him.

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:23 PM
I don't know if I can follow OKC now after they drafted that retard (Bledsoe). Man, they just through that draft pick away. I don't see what they are going to do w/ a point guard that doesn't play point guard. They already are set at 1,2,3 and I don't see why you spend a first round draft pick on a POTENTIAL point guard, and a midget 2 guard. Maybe they'll trade him to some retard GM

He has good potential to be a nice combo guard off the bench. OKC tends draft pretty well.

DaKCMan AP
06-24-2010, 08:23 PM
Whew. I think so, I'm just at work watching it on my phone so I miss the commentary. I saw that Cole got traded, didn't know they traded the #18 pick?

#18 and #21
for
Mo Pete and #11 (Cole)

Ebolapox
06-24-2010, 08:24 PM
I heard an nba expert today mention that joe johnson is falling all over himself to become a bull--supposedly wants to sign quick, as soon as free agency starts. FWIW.

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:24 PM
Whew. I think so, I'm just at work watching it on my phone so I miss the commentary. I saw that Cole got traded, didn't know they traded the #18 pick?

ESPN reported it wrong and they still had the 18th. However, it looks like they just shipped Bledsoe off to the Clipppers for a future 1st.

58-4ever
06-24-2010, 08:24 PM
The Thunder needed a big guy. I'm super pumped about Cole. Gasol and Bynum were just a bit too much in the playoffs. Not that Cole is on that level, but he gives them more size inside. I love what the Thunder have done this offseason so far.

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:26 PM
#18 and #21
for
Mo Pete and #11 (Cole)

It was the #21 and #26.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:28 PM
There is another steal, James Anderson. Kinda reminds me of James Harden except better.

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:29 PM
There is another steal, James Anderson. Kinda reminds me of James Harden except better.

Yep. Very nice pick.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:29 PM
ESPN reported it wrong and they still had the 18th. However, it looks like they just shipped Bledsoe off to the Clipppers for a future 1st.

HAHAA. OKC's GM is f*cking raping other teams.

Miles
06-24-2010, 08:30 PM
HAHAA. OKC's GM is f*cking raping other teams.

Pretty nice haul over the past two days for OKC.

tk13
06-24-2010, 08:30 PM
Wow, great move by OKC... having a Clipper first round pick is like gold.

banyon
06-24-2010, 08:31 PM
Spurs just looted the draft again with Anderson.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:31 PM
Happy that Brackins went that high after having such a disappointing JR season. Big 12 representing well.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Talking heads talking up GM Kevin Pritchard (former KU player) who is getting canned from the Blazers. All of them have no idea why they aren't keeping them.

Tiger's Fan
06-24-2010, 08:43 PM
Talking heads talking up GM Kevin Pritchard (former KU player) who is getting canned from the Blazers. All of them have no idea why they aren't keeping them.

Oden over Durant was reason enough.

ChiefsCountry
06-24-2010, 08:56 PM
Oden over Durant was reason enough.

Every fucking GM would have done the same thing that Pritchard did.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 08:58 PM
Oden over Durant was reason enough.

They have Brandon Roy already..and yeah. Every GM was wanting Oden over Durant. I mean, I didn't...but what do I know. Oden had injury concerns written all over him.

BWillie
06-24-2010, 09:13 PM
Holy shit. Somebody actually drafted Daniel Orton in the first round. That GM, fired in two years.

tk13
06-24-2010, 09:15 PM
They have Brandon Roy already..and yeah. Every GM was wanting Oden over Durant. I mean, I didn't...but what do I know. Oden had injury concerns written all over him.

I don't know about that... Oden really hadn't had too many injury problems. Nothing like what he's had in the NBA. His biggest knock was would his offensive game develop. Durant was an obvious offensive monster. But Oden was a defensive monster.

ChiefsCountry
06-24-2010, 09:17 PM
Holy shit. Somebody actually drafted Daniel Orton in the first round. That GM, fired in two years.

Its not like he is going to be needed with Howard.

Miles
06-24-2010, 09:21 PM
Holy shit. Somebody actually drafted Daniel Orton in the first round. That GM, fired in two years.

It hardly hurts to take a flier on a project big at #29.

okcchief
06-24-2010, 09:22 PM
Season ticket holder for the Thunder and a Jawhawk fan so I'm very happy. I think Mo Pete will also give us a shooter we lack. Plus, I love getting a future 1 for next year. Hopefully, the Clippers blow ass again.

Presit is a hell of a GM.

tk13
06-24-2010, 09:23 PM
How long until we can get a reality show featuring the Van Gundy's?

tk13
06-24-2010, 09:28 PM
Actually it really should be a sitcom. We'll call it "Two and a Half Men."

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 09:33 PM
Did anyone draft Sherron yet

BWillie
06-24-2010, 09:35 PM
It hardly hurts to take a flier on a project big at #29.

I am anti Kentucky, but I actually should like the kid because he's been hating on Calipari and said he should have went to Kansas. But seriously, what's the draw to Orton there are countless players like him that have actually produced.

Basileus777
06-24-2010, 09:39 PM
Big 12 fans, tell me about Damion James.

Sure-Oz
06-24-2010, 09:41 PM
You've just been traded for cash, whore

Pitt Gorilla
06-24-2010, 10:06 PM
They have Brandon Roy already..and yeah. Every GM was wanting Oden over Durant. I mean, I didn't...but what do I know. Oden had injury concerns written all over him.I don't believe that at all. I think many GMs would have taken Durant, whether they admit that or not.

Spott
06-24-2010, 10:07 PM
Damn, they need to have more trades in the NBA draft.

DJ's left nut
06-24-2010, 10:37 PM
Sam Presti is probably the best GM in the NBA.

Just think, a hurricane kept this guy from running an NBA franchise in Kansas City.

But/for Katrina, everything that OKC is currently getting, Kansas City would have.

Ouch.

Pitt Gorilla
06-24-2010, 10:40 PM
Sam Presti is probably the best GM in the NBA.

Just think, a hurricane kept this guy from running an NBA franchise in Kansas City.

But/for Katrina, everything that OKC is currently getting, Kansas City would have.

Ouch.I still would have rather had the Penguins. Sigh.

tk13
06-24-2010, 10:44 PM
Sam Presti is probably the best GM in the NBA.

Just think, a hurricane kept this guy from running an NBA franchise in Kansas City.

But/for Katrina, everything that OKC is currently getting, Kansas City would have.

Ouch.

True, but you really can't complain too much, because every Seattle basketball fan will shoot you in the face. This could end up being like the Browns... team moves, their player personnel department starts drafting off the charts, going to be a contender for the next decade.

Basileus777
06-24-2010, 10:45 PM
Sam Presti is probably the best GM in the NBA.

Just think, a hurricane kept this guy from running an NBA franchise in Kansas City.

But/for Katrina, everything that OKC is currently getting, Kansas City would have.

Ouch.

What does a hurricane have to do with the Seattle Sonics not moving to KC?

Miles
06-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Sam Presti is probably the best GM in the NBA.
.

Presti and Daryl Morey have both been doing a lot of great things the past few years.

DJ's left nut
06-24-2010, 10:52 PM
What does a hurricane have to do with the Seattle Sonics not moving to KC?

OKC wasn't on anyone's radar at all for an NBA team.

Then the hurricane displaced the New Orleans Hornets. They went to OKC and the fans turned out in droves. Everyone was pretty shocked by the fan support in OKC.

When Bennet decided to move the team, OKC was now considered a 'proven' market. City leaders got a taste of the pro-sports scene (Oklahoma didn't have a single professional team) and started pushing hard to get the Sonics.

Without the hurricane, Bennet takes the Sonics to KC and OKC is never a blip on the radar.

DJ's left nut
06-24-2010, 10:59 PM
Presti and Daryl Morey have both been doing a lot of great things the past few years.

I still think Morey is a little bit gimmicky.

The NBA just doesn't lend itself well to the hardcore stats analysis, IMO.

What I do like is that he timed the market extremely well at the trade deadline. When all these teams were looking to shed salary for the summer of 2010, Morey knew that a lot of those teams are gonna get left out in the cold with no true 'star' talents but a need to spend money (that's how Rashard Lewis gets a max deal).

So he took on some of that salary to make sure he could go out and get Kevin Martin. He took the possibility of overspending on a major bust out of play. It was a very creative move.

Presti's been so careful with how he has built this team. The Harden pick was a bad one, but Presti is working hard to ensure that he doesn't get bad apples on the squad.

If anyone is looking for a team to root for, look no further than OKC. They're local(ish) and there's not a bad guy on that squad. They play an uptempo style, they have a likeable coach and they build their squad the right way. I know you're not supposed to have a #2 team in your own conference, but I can't help it. They're just too damn likeable.

SnakeXJones
06-24-2010, 11:03 PM
Wow Sherron Collins didnt get selected

BWillie
06-24-2010, 11:07 PM
Wow Sherron Collins didnt get selected

That guy deserves millions for what he did for ku. I hope some team picks him up as a free agent our he pulls a keith langford in europe and ends up being a euro star

SnakeXJones
06-24-2010, 11:09 PM
That guy deserves millions for what he did for ku. I hope some team picks him up as a free agent our he pulls a keith langford in europe and ends up being a euro star I am kinda pissed he didnt get drafted I hope he doesnt sign with any nba and then go the the d-league euro probably is the best choice if i was him

Wreckloose
06-24-2010, 11:18 PM
I'm sure he would try Dleague first for a couple of years before any move to Europe.

SnakeXJones
06-24-2010, 11:21 PM
I'm sure he would try Dleague first for a couple of years before any move to Europe. He could get millions easily in euro but who knows what his choice will be for right now

DJ's left nut
06-24-2010, 11:37 PM
Wow Sherron Collins didnt get selected

Anytime you can get an undersized guard with questionable handles, no real perimeter game, a below-average jumpshot and a barely average first step, you really have to, right?

Collins adds nothing to an NBA team. When you're looking at 2nd round picks, you look for guys with a high ceiling (Collins doesn't have that) or guys that provide a clear skill; i.e. a strong offensive rebounder or lockdown perimeter defender (Collins doesn't do that either).

Collins could be an okay backup PG with a little luck and a perfect situation, I guess, but those guys grow on trees. Worse still for him, most teams are looking for guys that are able to create their own shot as a backup PG so they can team them with their primary 1 in an 'instant offense' type lineup. Collins can't fill that role either. Teams will see if they can fill the backup PG spot with a better player before settling on a flyer with Collins.

He's simply not an NBA ballplayer.

googlegoogle
06-24-2010, 11:47 PM
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/24/sherron-collins-goes-undrafted/?mens_basketball

Reaper16
06-25-2010, 12:14 AM
I'm pretty OK with the Magic's draft. I'm fine with Orton as a prospect big man; he's allowed the luxury of development time. Stanley Robinson should contribute immediately as an athletic defender (though I have doubts about his ability to score at the NBA level).

There's all kinds of buzz about the Magic trading Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson to New Orleans for Chris Paul. Which is something I would welcome with stiffened penis, as much for getting rid of Vince Carter as for obtaining CP3.

BWillie
06-25-2010, 12:44 AM
Anytime you can get an undersized guard with questionable handles, no real perimeter game, a below-average jumpshot and a barely average first step, you really have to, right?

Collins adds nothing to an NBA team. When you're looking at 2nd round picks, you look for guys with a high ceiling (Collins doesn't have that) or guys that provide a clear skill; i.e. a strong offensive rebounder or lockdown perimeter defender (Collins doesn't do that either).

Collins could be an okay backup PG with a little luck and a perfect situation, I guess, but those guys grow on trees. Worse still for him, most teams are looking for guys that are able to create their own shot as a backup PG so they can team them with their primary 1 in an 'instant offense' type lineup. Collins can't fill that role either. Teams will see if they can fill the backup PG spot with a better player before settling on a flyer with Collins.

He's simply not an NBA ballplayer.

No real perimeter game? Questionable jump shot? Can't generate his own shot? I don't know about that. If anything Collins got worse at penetrating as the years went on and developed a better 3 point shooter and his mid range game. I would not consider 3 point shooting his weakness, except in the UNI game :P

The reason Collins didn't get drafted is because he's a shoot first pass second 5 foot 10 point guard and he isn't the best defender. If he was a great defender, he would have been drafted. If he was a great distributor of the ball, he would have been drafted. But he's not. That is why he's going to be playing in Europe. Not because he can't shoot or generate his own offense.

KevB
06-25-2010, 01:32 AM
No real perimeter game? Questionable jump shot? Can't generate his own shot? I don't know about that. If anything Collins got worse at penetrating as the years went on and developed a better 3 point shooter and his mid range game. I would not consider 3 point shooting his weakness, except in the UNI game :P

The reason Collins didn't get drafted is because he's a shoot first pass second 5 foot 10 point guard and he isn't the best defender. If he was a great defender, he would have been drafted. If he was a great distributor of the ball, he would have been drafted. But he's not. That is why he's going to be playing in Europe. Not because he can't shoot or generate his own offense.

It doesn't help that he can't keep himself in shape. Fringe, 5'10 point guards that are out of shape generally aren't in demand. You don't see many John Bagley/Sherm Douglas types in the league anymore.

BWillie
06-25-2010, 02:04 AM
It doesn't help that he can't keep himself in shape. Fringe, 5'10 point guards that are out of shape generally aren't in demand. You don't see many John Bagley/Sherm Douglas types in the league anymore.

I wouldn't call him out of shape, but yes weight is an issue w/ him. He's just not a little guy. I don't know many guys who are 5'10'' 230 lbs 9% BF and aren't in shape though. He's just quicker w/ less weight on him is the main issue. Dude's got a six pack at 230 lbs.

CoMoChief
06-25-2010, 09:15 AM
I fell asleep thru the draft.....

Just noticed Sherron didn't get drafted? wow. I'm sure he'll get picked up somewhere.

CoMoChief
06-25-2010, 09:16 AM
Anytime you can get an undersized guard with questionable handles, no real perimeter game, a below-average jumpshot and a barely average first step, you really have to, right?

Collins adds nothing to an NBA team. When you're looking at 2nd round picks, you look for guys with a high ceiling (Collins doesn't have that) or guys that provide a clear skill; i.e. a strong offensive rebounder or lockdown perimeter defender (Collins doesn't do that either).

Collins could be an okay backup PG with a little luck and a perfect situation, I guess, but those guys grow on trees. Worse still for him, most teams are looking for guys that are able to create their own shot as a backup PG so they can team them with their primary 1 in an 'instant offense' type lineup. Collins can't fill that role either. Teams will see if they can fill the backup PG spot with a better player before settling on a flyer with Collins.

He's simply not an NBA ballplayer.

ROFL

DJ's left nut
06-25-2010, 10:13 AM
ROFL

You're right.

He's an elite talent. That's why he wasn't considered one of the 60 best pro prospects.

DJ's left nut
06-25-2010, 10:17 AM
No real perimeter game? Questionable jump shot? Can't generate his own shot? I don't know about that. If anything Collins got worse at penetrating as the years went on and developed a better 3 point shooter and his mid range game. I would not consider 3 point shooting his weakness, except in the UNI game :P

The reason Collins didn't get drafted is because he's a shoot first pass second 5 foot 10 point guard and he isn't the best defender. If he was a great defender, he would have been drafted. If he was a great distributor of the ball, he would have been drafted. But he's not. That is why he's going to be playing in Europe. Not because he can't shoot or generate his own offense.

For an NBA guard, his outside shot, his ability to penetrate and his ability to create are nowhere near NBA caliber.

If he was a great defender, he'd fall into one of those 'specific skills' categories I talked about (y'know, when I said "lockdown perimeter defenders get drafted....'), but he's not.

He doesn't offer a discernable particular skill and the rest of his game simply isn't good enough for the NBA.

The homers (i.e. CoMo) can be willfully ignorant as to his NBA ability all they want, but this guy is simply not an NBA player.

DeezNutz
06-25-2010, 10:29 AM
Anytime you can get an undersized guard with questionable handles, no real perimeter game, a below-average jumpshot and a barely average first step, you really have to, right?

...

He's simply not an NBA ballplayer.

The only minor disagreements I have are:

1. His handle isn't questionable; it's sub-par.
2. His first step, likewise, is below average.

There is absolutely no part of his game that translates well to the NBA. In saying this, I'm in no way trying to slight him for anything that he accomplished in college.

Sure-Oz
06-25-2010, 10:56 AM
Sherron is a rock solid college player but he'll be lucky if he's picked up and stays on a roster all year

Sure-Oz
06-25-2010, 10:56 AM
ROFL

:homer:

MIAdragon
02-04-2012, 12:01 AM
wtf is paul george

The kids going to be a superstar, he's only 21.

30 Pts 9 Reb 5 Ast 5 Stls 1 Block 11/19 from the field 7/11 from 3

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