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cardken
06-25-2010, 11:38 AM
1969 Kansas City Chiefs:
Notable players: QB Len Dawson, RB Mike Garrett, WR Otis Taylor, G Ed Budde, DT Buck Buchanan, DT Curley Culp, LB Bobby Bell, LB Willie Lanier, CB Emmitt Thomas, K Jan Stenerud.
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Analysis: The 1969 Kansas City Chiefs were a veteran outfit that played together for quite while. Three years earlier, the same group lost to the Green Packers in Super Bowl I.

But it all came together in 1969. The Chiefs were stacked with future Pro Football Hall of Fame players Dawson, Bell, Buchanan, Lanier, Thomas and Stenerud, and led by legendary coach Hank Stram. Stram was known for his innovative coaching, big personality, snappy clothes and an absolute love for his players.

The team’s road to the Super Bowl was not easy. They ended the season with an 11-3 record and finished a game behind the Oakland Raiders in the AFL’s Western Division. Kansas City had to beat the Jets and Raiders on the road in the playoffs before they had a chance to upset Minnesota in the Super Bowl.

But Kansas City’s defense buried teams all season. Even though Dawson missed six games because of an injury, the defense kept the Chiefs on the Super Bowl highway. During the playoffs, they limited the Jets and Raiders to a combined 13 points. Minnesota’s high-powered offense managed a meager seven points during Super Bowl IV.

AFC West: Best teams ever

• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

• Poll: Best AFC West teams ever
“Our defense was special," Stenerud said. “I remember that playoff run and we just didn’t give anything up. We held down some really good offenses. That defense was really the difference-maker for that team.”

Most impressive win: The 23-7 win over Minnesota in Super Bowl IV. The Chiefs dominated the Vikings, who were a 13-point favorite.

Send them home unpacking: The Oakland Raiders’ players were so sure they’d dispatch the Chiefs in the AFL Championship Game that they packed their bags to head to the Super Bowl after the game.


The Raiders had reason to be confident. They had won the West with a 12-2 record and beat the Chiefs in two regular-season matchups. But Stram's team took the game that mattered. Kansas City went into Oakland and stunned the Raiders 17-7, sending the Chiefs (and not the bags-packed Raiders) to New Orleans.

“As the Chiefs were waiting for the team buses, they saw all the Oakland players leave the stadium with their bags in their hands, going home instead of the Super Bowl,” Kansas City team historian Bob Moore said. “The Chiefs players were all laughing at Oakland’s players.”

Honorable mention: Classic!!!!!!!!!!

1966: The AFL’s first Super Bowl team. This quality outfit finished 11-2-1 and beat the Bills for the AFC title.

1971: Many of the old Chiefs believe this, and not the Super Bowl-winning team, is the best team in Chiefs history. But they just couldn’t get it done like the 1969 team did.

1995: This was a solid team led by the NFL's top-ranked defense, but the Chiefs stumbled in the playoffs.

Rausch
06-25-2010, 11:41 AM
1995: This was a solid team led by the NFL's top-ranked defense, but the Chiefs stumbled in the playoffs.

Hate...

Valiant
06-25-2010, 12:04 PM
• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

If each of these teams were allowed to play with their era's rules only.. The 69Chiefs would roll the other teams..

mikey23545
06-25-2010, 12:09 PM
The Chiefs were stacked with future Pro Football Hall of Fame players Dawson, Bell, Buchanan, Lanier, Thomas and Stenerud, and led by legendary (and also HOF) coach Hank Stram.


This should say it all. We're not talking about 7 All-Pros or something, we're talking 7 HALL OF FUCKING FAMERS on one team.

Param
06-25-2010, 12:16 PM
AFC West: Best teams ever

• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers



QUE?

pikesome
06-25-2010, 12:28 PM
The Chiefs were stacked with future Pro Football Hall of Fame players Dawson, Bell, Buchanan, Lanier, Thomas and Stenerud, and led by legendary (and also HOF) coach Hank Stram.


This should say it all. We're not talking about 7 All-Pros or something, we're talking 7 HALL OF ****ING FAMERS on one team.

And not "really good, long career" HOFers either. With the possible exception of Dawson, everyone of those were "change the way football is played" HOFers.

Bowser
06-25-2010, 12:29 PM
KNowmo will have wood when he sees this thread.....

Hog Farmer
06-25-2010, 12:32 PM
Yeah. Just think . 41 years ago we were awesome.

Rausch
06-25-2010, 12:33 PM
The 1993 team not only went to the AFCC game but was fucking headed by one of the best offensive lines around and Joe Motherfucking Montana!

DT? Neil (hope he dies soon) Smith? Kimble Anders?

Crush
06-25-2010, 12:56 PM
The 1993 team not only went to the AFCC game but was fucking headed by one of the best offensive lines around and Joe Motherfucking Montana!

DT? Neil (hope he dies soon) Smith? Kimble Anders?


Also they kicked the shit out of the cocky Oilers in the Divisional Round with four second half touchdowns. It was that game that turned the eight year-old Crush into a permanent fan.

Von Dumbass
06-25-2010, 12:59 PM
• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

If each of these teams were allowed to play with their era's rules only.. The 69Chiefs would roll the other teams..

BS. I don't care who you had on that Chiefs team. The 1998 Broncos were the best football team ever assembled. Champ Bailey is the only player on our current roster who would even start on that team.

listopencil
06-25-2010, 01:11 PM
• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

If each of these teams were allowed to play with their era's rules only.. The 69Chiefs would roll the other teams..

Not a chance in hell the 69 Chiefs would "roll" the 98 Broncos. The game would be fierce, and I'm not saying my Broncos would whip your Chiefs' ass, but it certainly wouldn't be a KC blowout.

SDChiefs
06-25-2010, 01:19 PM
BS. I don't care who you had on that Chiefs team. The 1998 Broncos were the best football team ever assembled. Champ Bailey is the only player on our current roster who would even start on that team.

ROFLROFL Really? You have to be a mult. No one could be this stupid. 98 was the best team Denver had. I would go on a limb to say they aren't even top five best teams let alone the best team ever.

Detoxing
06-25-2010, 01:32 PM
BS. I don't care who you had on that Chiefs team. The 1998 Broncos were the best football team ever assembled. Champ Bailey is the only player on our current roster who would even start on that team.

Goes to show how shitty your current team is huh?

And the 98 Broncos best team ever? Gimme a break dude.

Mojo Jojo
06-25-2010, 01:37 PM
The 1993 team not only went to the AFCC game but was ****ing headed by one of the best offensive lines around and Joe Mother****ing Montana!

DT? Neil (hope he dies soon) Smith? Kimble Anders?

I would take the '90 Chiefs over the '93 team. DeBerg with over 3,000 yards passing, 23 TD's and only 4 Int's., and 3 of those came in one game...15 games with 1 Int. Word and Okoye in the backfield and a big Oline. Finished 6th in the NFL in scoring.

On D...DT, Smith, Ross, Lewis, Cherry, Burris, Maas, Saleaumua...Finished the season 5th in NFL in points allowed.

If Nick doesn't choke, as usual in big games, that team could have been in the Super Bowl.

Von Dumbass
06-25-2010, 01:38 PM
ROFLROFL Really? You have to be a mult. No one could be this stupid. 98 was the best team Denver had. I would go on a limb to say they aren't even top five best teams let alone the best team ever.

We had 5 Pro Bowlers on our roster and two First Team All Pro's last year. That team was loaded. Ryan Clady is the best LT in the game and he still wouldn't start over Zimmerman.

SDChiefs
06-25-2010, 01:43 PM
We had 5 Pro Bowlers on our roster and two First Team All Pro's last year. That team was loaded. Ryan Clady is the best LT in the game and he still wouldn't start over Zimmerman.

'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

CosmicPal
06-25-2010, 01:46 PM
'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

I'd add in the '75 and/or '76 Steelers team in that mix. That team would've crushed the '98 Broncos.

SDChiefs
06-25-2010, 01:48 PM
I'd add in the '75 and/or '76 Steelers team in that mix. That team would've crushed the '98 Broncos.

I was just naming a few. Id take your pick from Montana led 9ers teams as well.

Portlantis
06-25-2010, 02:25 PM
'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

1989 49ers. 1991 Redskins. Any of those early 90s Cowboy teams.

Buck
06-25-2010, 02:48 PM
I think they meant the 1979 Chargers or the 1981 Chargers.

Von Dumbass
06-25-2010, 02:54 PM
'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

The 98 Broncos would put up 30+ points on the 85 Bears. None of those teams had as much balance as the Broncos. We had the best RB, QB, TE, and offensive line in NFL history on that team.

Ebolapox
06-25-2010, 03:04 PM
The 98 Broncos would put up 30+ points on the 85 Bears. None of those teams had as much balance as the Broncos. We had the best RB, QB, TE, and offensive line in NFL history on that team.

you're too stupid to even function, aren't you? this is proof; if I took this to a mental health professional, you would be institutionalized.

listopencil
06-25-2010, 03:05 PM
'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

Nope, maybe, nope and hell no.

Ebolapox
06-25-2010, 03:07 PM
I'll give you the 72' dolphins. undefeated, but weak schedule. questionable.

85 bears would roll them, 69 chiefs would roll them, and the 07 pats would too.

listopencil
06-25-2010, 03:09 PM
1989 49ers. 1991 Redskins. Any of those early 90s Cowboy teams.


They all would have been good games. But the 98 Bronco belong in the mix with those teams.

listopencil
06-25-2010, 03:12 PM
I'll give you the 72' dolphins. undefeated, but weak schedule. questionable.

85 bears would roll them, 69 chiefs would roll them, and the 07 pats would too.


That Bear D would have given them fits, same as the early 90's cowboys. I think the 07 Pats are being over rated, and I'm still undecided on how good the 69 Chiefs were compared to a modern era team. Hard to say.

Spott
06-25-2010, 03:17 PM
The 98 Broncos would put up 30+ points on the 85 Bears. None of those teams had as much balance as the Broncos. We had the best RB, QB, TE, and offensive line in NFL history on that team.

I'm guessing that you were either really young or weren't even born in 1985.

Ebolapox
06-25-2010, 03:26 PM
That Bear D would have given them fits, same as the early 90's cowboys. I think the 07 Pats are being over rated, and I'm still undecided on how good the 69 Chiefs were compared to a modern era team. Hard to say.

the 07 pats offense would've kept them in it, I think. we forget just how dominant they were because they lost the super bowl.

it all depends on when we're playing it---the 69 chiefs defense was dominant and groundbreaking; the triple stack was one of the early forms of the 3-4 defense... they not only had 7 hall-of-famers on the team, they have several that SHOULD be in there (otis taylor has better stats than several hall wrs, but not enough super bowls), you could make an argument for johnny robinson (most interceptions for a player not in the HOF), maybe a few of their o-linemen.

that team was dominant; they most likely would've won 1-2 more super bowls with a bit more luck (the lost playoff game, the longest game ever played; 71 divisional playoff game, our HOF kicker missed three kicks).

we could go on and on, and I'm not the most eloquent of defenders; I wasn't born soon enough, but I've seen a LOT of film footage and talked to many who were there... the 69 chiefs were a juggernaut.

Spott
06-25-2010, 03:34 PM
that team was dominant; they most likely would've won 1-2 more super bowls with a bit more luck (the lost playoff game, the longest game ever played; 71 divisional playoff game, our HOF kicker missed three kicks).


It's kind of funny how Stenerud seems to get a free pass when the only other Chiefs kicker to do that in a playoff game would probably be lynched if he ever stepped foot back in KC.

MOhillbilly
06-25-2010, 03:46 PM
Send them home unpacking: The Oakland Raiders’ players were so sure they’d dispatch the Chiefs in the AFL Championship Game that they packed their bags to head to the Super Bowl after the game.




and Oakland would have sent KC packin if dawson to taylor had been ruled out of bounds.

MOhillbilly
06-25-2010, 03:49 PM
Also they kicked the shit out of the cocky Oilers in the Divisional Round with four second half touchdowns. It was that game that turned the eight year-old Crush into a permanent fan.

That oilers team had a reason to be cocky since they were far and away more talented on both sides of the ball.

Rukdafaidas
06-25-2010, 03:54 PM
We had 5 Pro Bowlers on our roster and two First Team All Pro's last year. That team was loaded. Ryan Clady is the best LT in the game and he still wouldn't start over Zimmerman.

How many HOF'ers do the Broncos have in the history of their organization? Think about it.....that Chiefs team had 7.

Ebolapox
06-25-2010, 04:22 PM
How many HOF'ers do the Broncos have in the history of their organization? Think about it.....that Chiefs team had 7.

as I said before, should be 9. it's a damned travesty that taylor and robinson aren't.

Crush
06-25-2010, 04:25 PM
That oilers team had a reason to be cocky since they were far and away more talented on both sides of the ball.


Oh, I agree, which made the victory even that much better. The Willie Davis catch behind Chris Dishman was pure magic. Warren Moon getting sacked nine times was sweet. 3 takeaways. Keith Cash hitting the bulls eye on Buddy. Good memories.

Von Dumbass
06-25-2010, 05:22 PM
How many HOF'ers do the Broncos have in the history of their organization? Think about it.....that Chiefs team had 7.

These are the Hall of Famer caliber players from that team. John Elway, Gary Zimmerman, TD, Tom Nalen, Mark Schlereth, Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Neil Smith, and Steve Atwater.

All of those guys deserve the HOF and I bet Shannon Sharpe will be the only one other than Elway and Zimmerman to make it. :cuss:

Mojo Jojo
06-25-2010, 05:29 PM
These are the Hall of Famer caliber players from that team. John Elway, Gary Zimmerman, TD, Tom Nalen, Mark Schlereth, Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Neil Smith, and Steve Atwater.

All of those guys deserve the HOF and I bet Shannon Sharpe will be the only one other than Elway and Zimmerman to make it. :cuss:

You forgot to mention Vasel Ine...The true MVP.

Tribal Warfare
06-25-2010, 05:38 PM
I'll be honest, before I opened this thread I thought this was a collective account of the organizations. Though they suck and blow ass now, with the runaway win would be the Raiders.

Pestilence
06-25-2010, 05:40 PM
The 98 Broncos would put up 30+ points on the 85 Bears. None of those teams had as much balance as the Broncos. We had the best RB, QB, TE, and offensive line in NFL history on that team.

You guys had Joe Montana on your team in 98?


What? You said the best QB in NFL history. I'm hoping you don't think that it's Elway.

Agent V
06-25-2010, 05:42 PM
My friend's take on this:

"They (the '98 Broncos) were good but far from great.

They scored the second most points in the league that season and had the third most overall yards. However, their defense was pitiful as far as great teams goes. They were 12th in the league in overall defense and 28th in passing defense. They also had one of the easiest runs through the playoffs as far as competition in the history of the NFL, beating Miami, the New York Jets, and then Atlanta in the Super Bowl."

ClevelandBronco
06-25-2010, 05:45 PM
You guys had Joe Montana on your team in 98?


What? You said the best QB in NFL history. I'm hoping you don't think that it's Elway.

And I'm hoping you don't think it's the broken down version of Montana that played for the Chiefs.

tk13
06-25-2010, 05:52 PM
98 Broncos could hang with a lot of great teams. But don't get too crazy... I'm not sure they were that much better than the 99 Rams. Yeah they probably have more big names historically, but in terms of level of play for that season, I don't know.

But I don't think KnowMo actually believes what he says half the time. The 85 Bears had the best RB of all time, and the best defense. And the 89 Niners had the best QB, WR, and arguably safety of all time. That team was loaded.... I don't think they're underrated but sometimes I think they are when compared to the 85 Bears. They completely destroyed everyone in the playoffs and annihilated John Elway in his prime.

LOCOChief
06-25-2010, 06:07 PM
These are the Hall of Famer caliber players from that team. John Elway, Gary Zimmerman, TD, Tom Nalen, Mark Schlereth, Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Neil Smith, and Steve Atwater.

All of those guys deserve the HOF and I bet Shannon Sharpe will be the only one other than Elway and Zimmerman to make it. :cuss:


You're kidding right?

ClevelandBronco
06-25-2010, 06:09 PM
You're kidding right?

Yeah. He's kidding. TD didn't play long enough.

LOCOChief
06-25-2010, 06:13 PM
In my opinion 2 out of those 10 are candidates.

ClevelandBronco
06-25-2010, 06:18 PM
In my opinion 2 out of those 10 are candidates.

Dude. Two are stone cold locks. Then we can argue about candidates.

LOCOChief
06-25-2010, 06:23 PM
Dude. Two are stone cold locks. Then we can argue about candidates.

I agree with your first point. I dpn't see it, but whose the 3rd in your opinion?

BigChiefFan
06-25-2010, 06:54 PM
Best QB, HB, TE, and O-Line in the history of the game? ROFL ROFL ROFL

Gadzooks
06-25-2010, 06:57 PM
I hate this thread.

Jethopper
06-25-2010, 08:05 PM
I hear that 03 chiefs O-line was pretty good........

Vette on Route 66
06-25-2010, 08:53 PM
Some football pundits felt the 1963 Chargers would have beat the Bears, who were the NFL champs that year.

The '63 AFL champions should have been the clear cut choice for San Diego.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 09:03 PM
• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

If each of these teams were allowed to play with their era's rules only.. The 69Chiefs would roll the other teams..

:clap:

Pioli Zombie
06-25-2010, 09:26 PM
The 2006 Chiefs. Just 7 wins away from an unbeaten season, this offensive juggarnaut rode the strong arm of Damon Huard to pulverize their way into the playoffs before they were stunned by a last minute defeat at the hands of the Colts.

milkman
06-25-2010, 09:28 PM
The 2006 Chiefs. Just 7 wins away from an unbeaten season, this offensive juggarnaut rode the strong arm of Damon Huard to pulverize their way into the playoffs before they were stunned by a last minute defeat at the hands of the Colts.

Thanks for your contribution, dumbass.

HerculesRockefell
06-25-2010, 09:37 PM
How many HOF'ers do the Broncos have in the history of their organization? Think about it.....that Chiefs team had 7.

Kinda unfair at this point to compare a '69 team to a '98 team when that Chiefs team has run through all their HOF eligibility years and some of the players on that Broncos team are still playing (ex: Trevor Pryce, not saying he'll get in though) or aren't yet eligible (Rod Smith).

Elway is in now
Sharpe and Atwater will get in eventually
Rod Smith might get in because he holds all the UDFA records, though I commit Bronco fan heresy by saying I don't think he deserves it
Neil Smith, maybe

Should but won't:
Elam- longest made XP streak in history, 16 straight seasons of 100+ pts (NFL record), tied for the longest FG in NFL history, (saw this stat 4 or 5 years ago, so it absolutely could have changed in the mean time)- most accurate kicker outside 40 yds in NFL history

Who gets the *
TD, reasons are obvious

Very good but not HoF careers
Nalen
Pryce

Not HoFers, or even close, despite what KnowMo thinks:
Schlereth
Romo

I think when all is said and done, they'll get 4.


Edit: There's actually only 1 HoFer from that '98 team, Zimmerman retired after the '97 season.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 09:44 PM
the 69 team would have pummled the cheatin broncos-no amount of cooking spray on their jerseys would have saved horseface!!

ThaVirus
06-25-2010, 10:25 PM
Ok first of all I have to disagree with the 69 Chiefs "steamrolling" over any other team. Even with their more physical rules, they honestly could not compete with the size, strength and athleticism that these guys have today.

Second.. KnowMo is a buffoon. That is all.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:29 PM
Ok first of all I have to disagree with the 69 Chiefs "steamrolling" over any other team. Even with their more physical rules, they honestly could not compete with the size, strength and athleticism that these guys have today.

Second.. KnowMo is a buffoon. That is all.

you make a couple of good points-anytime you compare different generations it is tough.

cdcox
06-25-2010, 10:34 PM
These are the Hall of Famer caliber players from that team. John Elway, Gary Zimmerman, TD, Tom Nalen, Mark Schlereth, Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Bill Romanowski, Neil Smith, and Steve Atwater.

All of those guys deserve the HOF and I bet Shannon Sharpe will be the only one other than Elway and Zimmerman to make it. :cuss:

You listed Neil Smith. That makes me laugh. Neil Smith was clearly behind DT, a true HOFer. And to most Chiefs fans that have a little historical perspective, DT was the Chiefs 3rd best all-time LB, behind Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell. I hope this gives you some perspective of what a HOFer and a great team really was. And Buck Buchanan was every bit as good as Lanier and Bell. Throw in two DB that each had over 50 career interceptions. That defense was so good it was sick. Smith, Romo, and Atwater are in the Curly Culp range. We don't even say he was HOF worthy because he was the 6th best defender of the defense. Neil Smith will never sniff the HOF, nor should he.

Look up Jim Tyrer and tell me he shouldn't be in the Hall. Look up modern WR in the dictionary and you'll see Otis Taylor's picture next to it.

The 98 Broncos were essentially the 97 Broncos who were barely better than the 97 Chiefs. Not buying it.

Valiant
06-25-2010, 10:34 PM
Ok first of all I have to disagree with the 69 Chiefs "steamrolling" over any other team. Even with their more physical rules, they honestly could not compete with the size, strength and athleticism that these guys have today.

Second.. KnowMo is a buffoon. That is all.

Don't have to worry about size and strength when they can just maul them.. Remember each side would be abiding by their own rules.. 69 Chiefs would literally beat them to death, and smile to bench..

As for knowlittle, he is smoking crack if he thinks that team is the greatest of all time let alone 10 HOF caliber players..

ThaVirus
06-25-2010, 10:35 PM
you make a couple of good points-anytime you compare different generations it is tough.

Well thanks, I'm sure I'll catch some shit from some nostalgic fools but I believe it's true. I couldn't tell you when the cut off date is that those older teams would be able to compete with todays players, but it was definitely after 69.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:37 PM
You listed Neil Smith. That makes me laugh. Neil Smith was clearly behind DT, a true HOFer. And to most Chiefs fans that have a little historical perspective, DT was the Chiefs 3rd best all-time LB, behind Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell. I hope this gives you some perspective of what a HOFer and a great team really was. And Buck Buchanan was every bit as good as Lanier and Bell. Throw in two DB that each had over 50 career interceptions. That defense was so good it was sick. Smith, Romo, and Atwater are in the Curly Culp range. We don't even say he was HOF worthy because he was the 6th best defender of the defense. Neil Smith will never sniff the HOF, nor should he.

Look up Jim Tyrer and tell me he shouldn't be in the Hall. Look up modern WR in the dictionary and you'll see Otis Taylor's picture next to it.

The 98 Broncos were essentially the 97 Broncos who were barely better than the 97 Chiefs. Not buying it.

:clap: although i disagree about Neil Smith-man he was a great player-and took a lot of pressure of DT.

ThaVirus
06-25-2010, 10:39 PM
Don't have to worry about size and strength when they can just maul them.. Remember each side would be abiding by their own rules.. 69 Chiefs would literally beat them to death, and smile to bench..

As for knowlittle, he is smoking crack if he thinks that team is the greatest of all time let alone 10 HOF caliber players..

Oooooh, I see what you're saying now.. But I'm still sticking to my guns. I think the raw speed, size and power of these new guys would be way too overwhelming.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:41 PM
Well thanks, I'm sure I'll catch some shit from some nostalgic fools but I believe it's true. I couldn't tell you when the cut off date is that those older teams would be able to compete with todays players, but it was definitely after 69.

I would guess the great 49ers teams of the 80.s??

the Steelers teams of the 70s had some great players but would probably not pass the drug test of today.

ThaVirus
06-25-2010, 10:44 PM
I would guess the great 49ers teams of the 80.s??

the Steelers teams of the 70s had some great players but would probably not pass the drug test of today.

Yeah that's what I had in mind. From the later 80s and on up.. But not every team, just the great ones.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:46 PM
Don't have to worry about size and strength when they can just maul them.. Remember each side would be abiding by their own rules.. 69 Chiefs would literally beat them to death, and smile to bench..

As for knowlittle, he is smoking crack if he thinks that team is the greatest of all time let alone 10 HOF caliber players..

I see what you are saying-but back in the early days the guys worked real jobs so they could play football-it was a shorter season and modern training methods and nutrition were basically non existent.

It would be like comparing Olympic champs as well or even NBA player-apples to oranges.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:47 PM
Yeah that's what I had in mind. From the later 80s and on up.. But not every team, just the great ones.

Rice, Craig, Taylor-those guys were work out wariors-they might have a good chance to be one of the best teams of all time in any era.

cdcox
06-25-2010, 10:47 PM
Oooooh, I see what you're saying now.. But I'm still sticking to my guns. I think the raw speed, size and power of these new guys would be way too overwhelming.

The old players would have the benefits of nutrition, training, and PEDs that current players have. They'd be as big, strong, and fast as any players on the field today. Bobby Bell looked huge next to the other players he was going against and was one of the fastest players on the field. He was way, way out there on the distribution. Buck Buchanan redefined the DT position. Otis Taylor was essentially Terrell Owens.

Rain Man
06-25-2010, 10:54 PM
I love all those classic Chiefs defenders, but I actually think that Buck Buchanan was the most dominating of them all, even over Bell and Lanier. Buck Buchanan weighed in at 285 to 290 pounds at a time when the typical defensive tackles weighed 250 to 265 and the offensive linemen were in the 240 to 260 range. And Buck wasn't just a big run slug. He was quick and active. The guy was freakish for his era, and could actually probably play defensive tackle today at his playing weight back then.

Halfcan
06-25-2010, 10:59 PM
I love all those classic Chiefs defenders, but I actually think that Buck Buchanan was the most dominating of them all, even over Bell and Lanier. Buck Buchanan weighed in at 285 to 290 pounds at a time when the typical defensive tackles weighed 250 to 265 and the offensive linemen were in the 240 to 260 range. And Buck wasn't just a big run slug. He was quick and active. The guy was freakish for his era, and could actually probably play defensive tackle today at his playing weight back then.

I met Buck a few times what a classy cool guy!!!

cdcox
06-25-2010, 11:02 PM
I love all those classic Chiefs defenders, but I actually think that Buck Buchanan was the most dominating of them all, even over Bell and Lanier. Buck Buchanan weighed in at 285 to 290 pounds at a time when the typical defensive tackles weighed 250 to 265 and the offensive linemen were in the 240 to 260 range. And Buck wasn't just a big run slug. He was quick and active. The guy was freakish for his era, and could actually probably play defensive tackle today at his playing weight back then.

Well, he'd have to beat out Ron Edwards first.

ThaVirus
06-25-2010, 11:10 PM
The old players would have the benefits of nutrition, training, and PEDs that current players have. They'd be as big, strong, and fast as any players on the field today. Bobby Bell looked huge next to the other players he was going against and was one of the fastest players on the field. He was way, way out there on the distribution. Buck Buchanan redefined the DT position. Otis Taylor was essentially Terrell Owens.

Well damn, I didn't know we were bringing them into the modern age and training them up beforehand. I just assumed we were talking about throwing them on the field as-is in one deciding game.. Whatev.

RippedmyFlesh
06-25-2010, 11:48 PM
Well damn, I didn't know we were bringing them into the modern age and training them up beforehand. I just assumed we were talking about throwing them on the field as-is in one deciding game.. Whatev.
For the most part you could say 69 would be too far back but that team was freakish big and athletic for that time period.If any team could compete from that time period it would be the chiefs more so than other great teams of that era like green bay baltimore dallas...

kcfanXIII
06-26-2010, 01:01 AM
Rice, Craig, Taylor-those guys were work out wariors-they might have a good chance to be one of the best teams of all time in any era.

not to mention, they switched QBs and didn't really miss a beat... the cowboys just got good.

Darien25
06-26-2010, 01:45 AM
You listed Neil Smith. That makes me laugh. Neil Smith was clearly behind DT, a true HOFer. And to most Chiefs fans that have a little historical perspective, DT was the Chiefs 3rd best all-time LB, behind Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell. I hope this gives you some perspective of what a HOFer and a great team really was. And Buck Buchanan was every bit as good as Lanier and Bell. Throw in two DB that each had over 50 career interceptions. That defense was so good it was sick. Smith, Romo, and Atwater are in the Curly Culp range. We don't even say he was HOF worthy because he was the 6th best defender of the defense. Neil Smith will never sniff the HOF, nor should he.

Look up Jim Tyrer and tell me he shouldn't be in the Hall. Look up modern WR in the dictionary and you'll see Otis Taylor's picture next to it.

The 98 Broncos were essentially the 97 Broncos who were barely better than the 97 Chiefs. Not buying it.

If Marty hadn't been such a dumbass in 97 and started Gannon over the turd I think the Chiefs would have handily won that playoff game against the donks. I know that Gannon wasn't playing at an all-star level yet but was a respected leader on the team and doing a good job of guiding the offense. The Chiefs had been kickin ass up until that game. That 98 donks team was pretty solid though.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 09:18 AM
• 1998 Denver Broncos
• 1969 Kansas City Chiefs
• 1976 Oakland Raiders
• 2006 San Diego Chargers

If each of these teams were allowed to play with their era's rules only.. The 69Chiefs would roll the other teams..

Not even close. Any Bronco Super Bowl team would smoke the rest.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 09:24 AM
'72 Dolphins, '85 Bears, '69 Chiefs, and '07 Patriots are just a few teams that come to mind that are better than the '98 Broncos.

Lmao. Just about every game was over at halftime. We had the greatest QB in NFL history. A 2000 yard back that was unstoppable. And an oline that crushed all. Even your Chiefs twice. Get real. The 98 Broncos beat all comers. The Chiefs have never ever done that

Son of Logical
06-26-2010, 09:43 AM
Lmao. Just about every game was over at halftime. We had the greatest QB in NFL history. A 2000 yard back that was unstoppable. And an oline that crushed all. Even your Chiefs twice. Get real. The 98 Broncos beat all comers. The Chiefs have never ever done that

Seriously dude? You quote a line about teams that all had better records then the 98' Broncos and tell us how the Broncos beat all comers? The 98' Broncos were a great team.......on offense. Their defense was decent, not amazing. If they are not great on both sides of the ball, then they are not the best team ever they are just not. Let me ask you this, are the 99' Rams better then the 98' Broncos, because statistically they are. So should we consider the 99' Rams one of the greatest teams of all time? Personally I don't think so, and the same goes for the 98' Broncos. From what I have read, I think the 72' Dolphins, the 85 Bears, and the 69' Chiefs defenses would of given the 98' Broncos fits. (especially the 85' Bears) And happy birthday you had a great QB. Those other 3 teams had multiple hall of famers. Talking about the greatest QB of all time I think this guy Joe Montana went against your guy a few times. How did that work out for you? I am not just talking about the 55-10 ass whooping either. I remember a certain Monday night game as well. With such superior Chiefs talent as J.J. Birden, Keith Cash, and Willie Davis. Montana also had a couple more Superbowl rings as well, and not near the physical gifts of Elway.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 09:57 AM
Isn't the 98 donko team the one that cost the donkos a first round pick because they cheated on the salary cap?
By default that team should not even be able to be on that list.
There isn't a team or orginization that wouldn't trade a first round pick for a Super Bowl.

chiefzilla1501
06-26-2010, 10:32 AM
The 98 Broncos would put up 30+ points on the 85 Bears. None of those teams had as much balance as the Broncos. We had the best RB, QB, TE, and offensive line in NFL history on that team.

And by balance, you mean offense and defense? Because the Cowboys of the early 90's had a HOF QB, one of the best RBs of all time, an outstanding TE, and an offensive line far better than Denver's. And oh, by the way, they played outstanding defense.

If I'm talking about the best offense of all time, give me the '07 Patriots or the Greatest Show on Turf Rams. The Broncos belong in the discussion, but they're not the best. If we're talking about overall team balance, the team isn't even damn close.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-26-2010, 10:55 AM
My god; can we please, for the love of fuck, supersede or at least MATCH the fucking 1960's BEFORE I die?

Ugh...

RippedmyFlesh
06-26-2010, 12:44 PM
My god; can we please, for the love of fuck, supersede or at least MATCH the fucking 1960's BEFORE I die?

Ugh...
It's more than on the field things about that team that was admired.
Kc like a few other afl teams went to the smaller all black colleges to get players.Once race was out of the question you can just get the best players and build your team. Sounds simple enough? It is the norm today. Back then it wasn't so .Your team is good because they are more open minded off the field than opponents . And on the field your coach wasn't Marty like, back then pretty much all coach's were marty like,but open to change things adjust and not be tied down by close minded my way or highway attitude.
And that reflected life at the time change vs holding onto older ways of doing things.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 01:50 PM
Lmao. Just about every game was over at halftime. We had the greatest QB in NFL history. A 2000 yard back that was unstoppable. And an oline that crushed all. Even your Chiefs twice. Get real. The 98 Broncos beat all comers. The Chiefs have never ever done that

Greatest QB ROFL

sorry Brett Favre was not on your team

milkman
06-26-2010, 01:54 PM
Greatest QB ROFL

sorry Brett Favre was not on your team

:doh!:

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 01:55 PM
:doh!:

u know I was just jacking with him right??

milkman
06-26-2010, 02:02 PM
u know I was just jacking with him right??

Since you been on here pimping Favre as the greatest ever so many times before, no, I didn't know that.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 02:10 PM
Since you been on here pimping Favre as the greatest ever so many times before, no, I didn't know that.

Well yes he is but I was just jabbing him because he thinks horseface was the greatest.

milkman
06-26-2010, 02:14 PM
Well yes he is but I was just jabbing him because he thinks horseface was the greatest.

Give me a team and the choice between building with Elway or Favre, and I'm taking Elway every damn day, including Sunday.

When discussing the greatest ever, Elway is in the duscussion.

Favre only gets into the discussion after the top 4.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 02:35 PM
My god; can we please, for the love of ****, supersede or at least MATCH the ****ing 1960's BEFORE I die?

Ugh...

I don't believe that a team can be built like those teams back then before Free Agency. Now days with Free Agency you cannot keep your quality players and stock pile depth like you could back then.

Von Dumbass
06-26-2010, 02:46 PM
And by balance, you mean offense and defense? Because the Cowboys of the early 90's had a HOF QB, one of the best RBs of all time, an outstanding TE, and an offensive line far better than Denver's. And oh, by the way, they played outstanding defense.

If I'm talking about the best offense of all time, give me the '07 Patriots or the Greatest Show on Turf Rams. The Broncos belong in the discussion, but they're not the best. If we're talking about overall team balance, the team isn't even damn close.

By balance I mean that Denver could beat a team any way that they wanted. They could run the ball on anyone and they could pass on anyone. The Broncos run/pass offense was the best the NFL has ever seen.

milkman
06-26-2010, 02:48 PM
By balance I mean that Denver could beat a team any way that they wanted. They could run the ball on anyone and they could pass on anyone. The Broncos run/pass offense was the best the NFL has ever seen.

Dumbass.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:02 PM
By balance I mean that Denver could beat a team any way that they wanted. They could run the ball on anyone and they could pass on anyone. The Broncos run/pass offense was the best the NFL has ever seen.
Dont you ever get tired of being an idiot? I mean its funny to laugh at ya and all, so no harm no foul but damn....

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-26-2010, 03:03 PM
It's more than on the field things about that team that was admired.
Kc like a few other afl teams went to the smaller all black colleges to get players.Once race was out of the question you can just get the best players and build your team. Sounds simple enough? It is the norm today. Back then it wasn't so .Your team is good because they are more open minded off the field than opponents . And on the field your coach wasn't Marty like, back then pretty much all coach's were marty like,but open to change things adjust and not be tied down by close minded my way or highway attitude.
And that reflected life at the time change vs holding onto older ways of doing things.

Yep. We set a lot of benchmarks for the league and the game back in the day.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:15 PM
The 98 Broncos could run on anyone and throw on anyone. This is where the 07 Patriots falls apart. They could run the ball at all. Worst 18-1 team ever.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:20 PM
Isn't the 98 donko team the one that cost the donkos a first round pick because they cheated on the salary cap?
By default that team should not even be able to be on that list.
There isn't a team or orginization that wouldn't trade a first round pick for a Super Bowl.

We never "cheated" the salary cap. We defered cash payments and paid interest to players to have up front cash for a new stadium. We didn't even break a written rule.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:22 PM
The 98 Broncos offense wasnt even the best in the NFL that year iirc...LOL @ best of all time

That was mabye a top ten team of all time, but going further than that is just blind homer talkin (NOBalls)

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:23 PM
If Marty hadn't been such a dumbass in 97 and started Gannon over the turd I think the Chiefs would have handily won that playoff game against the donks. I know that Gannon wasn't playing at an all-star level yet but was a respected leader on the team and doing a good job of guiding the offense. The Chiefs had been kickin ass up until that game. That 98 donks team was pretty solid though.

I think the Chiefs would have won that game too, but alas.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:25 PM
The 98 Broncos offense wasnt even the best in the NFL that year iirc...LOL @ best of all time

That was mabye a top ten team of all time, but going further than that is just blind homer talkin (NOBalls)

Yeah they were. Davis had a 5.1 per carry rush average. I'll give you a second to let that sink in.


Now consider he was out of the game 9 times by the start of the 4th quarter. It was pure ownage out there. And that 5.1 was just regaulr season. In the playoffs, I am sorry...6.0 yards per carry.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:28 PM
We never "cheated" the salary cap. We defered cash payments and paid interest to players to have up front cash for a new stadium. We didn't even break a written rule.

you broke some kind of rule if the NFL took a first rounder away

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:34 PM
Yeah they were. Davis had a 5.1 per carry rush average. I'll give you a second to let that sink in.


Now consider he was out of the game 9 times by the start of the 4th quarter. It was pure ownage out there. And that 5.1 was just regaulr season. In the playoffs, I am sorry...6.0 yards per carry.LOL, yeah it just sunk in and it made absolutely no difference.

that doesnt have anything to do with them being the best offense ever.

Minnesota was a better offense THAT YEAR, they werent even the best ever (but statistically they were). Hell, if Gary Anderson doesnt miss that epic fail kick, they would have likely beat the Broncos in the next game/superbowl

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:35 PM
LOL, yeah it just sunk in and it made absolutely no difference.

.

Then you need to hit the books. Let us know when you do.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:37 PM
you broke some kind of rule if the NFL took a first rounder away

We broke no written rule and we have never been fined a 1st round pick. Spend a little time; Look up yards per carry for runningbacks and investigate your claim. I could give you the answer, but I like to teach people to fish. :P

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 03:39 PM
The 98 Broncos could run on anyone and throw on anyone. This is where the 07 Patriots falls apart. They could run the ball at all. Worst 18-1 team ever.

because the pats did not spray down with slick cooking spray before and during every game-i mean the donks were caught on tape spraying their Oline down at halftime

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:41 PM
because the pats did not spray down with slick cooking spray before and during every game-i mean the donks were caught on tape spraying their Oline down at halftime

No they weren't. They were asked to go to the sideline and towel off. Why? We don't even know. And that was the 97 Broncos who went on the road every game in the playoffs and beat every team that had beat them that year(Chiefs and Steelers) and the team that knocked them out of the playoffs the year prior(JAX). We call it the revenge tour. Then they went to the Murp and beat the Title Town team as 14 point dogs.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 03:45 PM
No they weren't. They were asked to go to the sideline and towel off. Why? We don't even know. And that was the 97 Broncos who went on the road every game in the playoffs and beat every team that had beat them that year(Chiefs and Steelers) and the team that knocked them out of the playoffs the year prior(JAX). We call it the revenge tour. Then they went to the Murp and beat the Title Town team as 14 point dogs.

the video was floating around here-maybe GC had it not sure-but the Oline was clearly getting sprayed down one by one with an "unknown" spray.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:46 PM
Then you need to hit the books. Let us know when you do.Jamaal Charles averaged almost 6, so what. Is he the best ever? BTW the system made every denver running back average over 5..it really wasnt that big of a deal. He was great, but Im not sure what the fuck you are getting at by this line of argument.

We broke no written rule and we have never been fined a 1st round pick. Spend a little time; Look up yards per carry for runningbacks and investigate your claim. I could give you the answer, but I like to teach people to fish. :P I didnt say it was a first rounder, someone else did that and I said "if they got fined a first rounder" ...looking it up though, it was a third rounder they got penalized for cheating.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1883127
NEW YORK -- The Denver Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose their third-round pick in next year's NFL draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996-98.

The penalties were levied Thursday following an agreement involving the league, its union and the team.

The violations included agreements between the team and several players to defer salary payments with interest and an agreement not to waive a player before a certain date. Both raised issues with accounting for the salary cap.

In addition to the penalties against the team, the NFL said an agent for a former player agreed to donate $100,000 to charity. Neither the agent nor the player was identified.

Honestly though, if Jamaal Charles ran behind that line they had in 1998, how many yards do you think he would have gotten?

You need a new pole, I think I just broke your old one...;)

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:48 PM
No they weren't. They were asked to go to the sideline and towel off. Why? We don't even know.

:facepalm:

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:51 PM
Jamaal Charles averaged almost 6, so what. Is he the best ever? BTW the system made every denver running back average over 5..it really wasnt that big of a deal. He was great, but Im not sure what the **** you are getting at by this line of argument.

I didnt say it was a first rounder, someone else did that and I said "if they got fined a first rounder" ...looking it up though, it was a third rounder they got penalized for cheating.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1883127
NEW YORK -- The Denver Broncos have been fined $950,000 and will lose their third-round pick in next year's NFL draft for circumventing the salary cap between 1996-98.

The penalties were levied Thursday following an agreement involving the league, its union and the team.

The violations included agreements between the team and several players to defer salary payments with interest and an agreement not to waive a player before a certain date. Both raised issues with accounting for the salary cap.

In addition to the penalties against the team, the NFL said an agent for a former player agreed to donate $100,000 to charity. Neither the agent nor the player was identified.

Honestly though, if Jamaal Charles ran behind that line they had in 1998, how many yards do you think he would have gotten?

You need a new pole, I think I just broke your old one...;)

No where near as much on Charles. He's good, but he's not TD.

We broke no written rule. There was no written rule about players making loans back to the team. Which it what it was. Further, it amounted to zero competitive advantage on the field, like say videotaping coaching signals.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 03:56 PM
No where near as much on Charles. He's good, but he's not TD.

We broke no written rule. There was no written rule about players making loans back to the team. Which it what it was. Further, it amounted to zero competitive advantage on the field, like say videotaping coaching signals.

If Charles can average almost 6 behind a poor line, you dont think he would have averaged more than 5.1 behind a line littered with probowl talent? That just being blind, son.

You are a damn fool if you think the NFL just goes around fining teams high draft picks for doing nothing wrong.

Now, kiss the baby.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 03:57 PM
We never "cheated" the salary cap. We defered cash payments and paid interest to players to have up front cash for a new stadium. We didn't even break a written rule.

Didn't cheat huh. That is why the NFL took a 1st round pick from the donkos. yeah right. dumbass

BossChief
06-26-2010, 04:00 PM
Didn't cheat huh. That is why the NFL took a 1st round pick from the donkos. yeah right. dumbass

He is right, they never got fined a first rounder, it was a third. I already covered this...try to keep up kid.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 04:01 PM
Didn't cheat huh. That is why the NFL took a 1st round pick from the donkos. yeah right. dumbass


My bad I didn't know it was reduced. I remember it was suppose to be a 1st rounder.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 04:01 PM
ROFLHe is right, they never got fined a first rounder, it was a third. I already covered this...try to keep up kid.

ROFL he was just trying to jump on the dog pile-but missed.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 04:02 PM
He is right, they never got fined a first rounder, it was a third. I already covered this...try to keep up kid.

Got your kid right here.

I have been a member for 8 more years here than you and I have grandchildren.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 04:04 PM
Whatever the donkos cheated from 96 to 98. Who wouldn't trade a 3rd rounder and almost a million for a couple of Championships.
They should of been stripped of the titles.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 04:04 PM
Got your kid right here.

I have been a member for 8 more years here than you and I have grandchildren.

zing

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 04:05 PM
ROFL

ROFL he was just trying to jump on the dog pile-but missed.

Guess again I was the first one to bring it up in this thread so someone else was jumping on to what I stated. It was incorrect because I didn't know it had been reduced.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 04:05 PM
Whatever the donkos cheated from 96 to 98. Who wouldn't trade a 3rd rounder and almost a million for a couple of Championships.
They should of been stripped of the titles.

Exactly!!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

the NFl just felt bad because they got their asses stomped in the other SB's-lol

BossChief
06-26-2010, 04:06 PM
Got your kid right here.

I have been a member for 8 more years here than you and I have grandchildren.

make sure to tell them that Denver didnt get fined a first rounder for cheating the cap, grandpa. ahhh nevermind, Im sure they would have read before they typed a false statement twice and once after already being ccorrected multiple times.

Ask me how much I care how long you have been a member of a internet message board...please, ask me.

(btw, Im just giving you shit...the internets are serious business)

CrazyHorse
06-26-2010, 04:16 PM
They were also fined nearly 2 million dollars.

Deferred salary plus interest is a competetive advantage. Those players would not have been there without that salary and Bowlen would have chosen the new stadium over those players.

That salary with the cheating bonus is the reason the Donks had to pay almost 2 million in fines and lost competetive advantage in being fined picks. The NFL might have said there was no advantage, but the posture they took by assessing a fine in the way of draft picks would suggest they felt other wise.

Had the NFL admitted the advantage they would have had to strip the Broncos of thier trophy and deal with the aftermath of trying to figure out who it would belong to given the Broncos played an entire season with those players. They simply could not go back. They had no choice but to declare on paper there was no competetive advantage while the penaly stripped them of competetive advantage. Read between the lines a little and its not that hard to figure out.

There is only one fan base in the entire NFL that believe for a minute the Broncos didn't cheat to win thier SBs. It the Bronco fans and they all parrot the same mantra.

No competetive advantage, competetive advantage, competetive advantage....baaawwwkk.

Von Dumbass
06-26-2010, 04:19 PM
Didn't cheat huh. That is why the NFL took a 1st round pick from the donkos. yeah right. dumbass

It was a third round pick.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 04:22 PM
It was a third round pick.

way to stay on top of things

ClevelandBronco
06-26-2010, 04:39 PM
We never "cheated" the salary cap. We defered cash payments and paid interest to players to have up front cash for a new stadium. We didn't even break a written rule.

Near as I can tell no one gives a shit about this except frustrated Chiefs fans. Let them have it.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 06:24 PM
Near as I can tell no one gives a shit about this except frustrated Chiefs fans. Let them have it.

Say it however you want the donkos are cheaters. And always will be IMO.

milkman
06-26-2010, 06:28 PM
Yeah they were. Davis had a 5.1 per carry rush average. I'll give you a second to let that sink in.

Jim Brown averaged over 5 yards per carry for his career.
What's your point?

BossChief
06-26-2010, 06:30 PM
I would rather lose with honor, than win without it.

milkman
06-26-2010, 06:34 PM
At the end of the day, I don't care that the Donkeys got penalized.
They won, and while they may or may not have gotten some kind of competitive advantage, I don't give a rat's ass.

It is what it is.

They won.

But the suggestion that they were some kind of juggernaught that is the best ever is laughable.

BossChief
06-26-2010, 06:38 PM
Jim Brown averaged over 5 yards per carry for his career.
What's your point?

he doesnt even know

Shit, Jamaal Charles averages over a full yard more than Terrel Davis as a career average. Doesn't mean he is a better back.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CharJa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviTe00.htm

Damn, looking at it Charles career average is a half a yard better than Terrel Davis' best year.

milkman
06-26-2010, 06:42 PM
he doesnt even know

Shit, Jamaal Charles averages over a full yard more than Terrel Davis as a career average. Doesn't mean he is a better back.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CharJa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviTe00.htm

Damn, looking at it Charles career average is a half a yard better than Terrel Davis' best year.

The argument that Charles would have ripped things up behind that Donkey line has merit.

However, we can't really make that argument until we see how Charles fares over the course of time as the #1 RB on this team.

I think he brings a combination of patience and vision comaprable to Priest's, and has better speed and could very well put up some sick numbers.
I thought so when we drafted him.

But he needs to show he can do it for longer than half a season to really get into any discussion.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 07:03 PM
Whatever the donkos cheated from 96 to 98. Who wouldn't trade a 3rd rounder and almost a million for a couple of Championships.
They should of been stripped of the titles.
69 Chiefs took PED's. Frickin Gatorade.

Chief Roundup
06-26-2010, 09:26 PM
69 Chiefs took PED's. Frickin Gatorade.

They didn't cheat or do anything against the rules or get fined and or penalized by the AFL.
All the Chiefs did was start a trend.
Nice try though.

Halfcan
06-26-2010, 10:20 PM
I would rather lose with honor, than win without it.

Oh what the fug ever-I wouldnt care if they cheated the cap for the next 10 years to win a SB.

BossChief
06-27-2010, 12:17 AM
Oh what the fug ever-I wouldnt care if they cheated the cap for the next 10 years to win a SB.

Then go be a fuckin Raider fan. That seems to be your class level if what you say is true and you aren't just blowing smoke...

Halfcan
06-27-2010, 12:21 AM
Then go be a ****in Raider fan. That seems to be your class level if what you say is true and you aren't just blowing smoke...

:rolleyes: I said WIN a championship dipshit-not paint myself up like a black and silver biker/dragqueen and lose every year.

Halfcan
06-27-2010, 12:23 AM
Problem is the chiefs don't have the fire inside anymore-They "want" to win and "try to win" instead of Expecting to win and going out and kicking the shit out of the other team like they did back in the day.

chiefzilla1501
06-27-2010, 12:26 AM
By balance I mean that Denver could beat a team any way that they wanted. They could run the ball on anyone and they could pass on anyone. The Broncos run/pass offense was the best the NFL has ever seen.

The Cowboys could do the same between Aikman to Irvin/Novacek and running it with Emmitt Smith. And for my money, the most lethal offense I have ever, ever seen was Warner (pre-injury) to Holt/Bruce/Proehl with Marshall Faulk as the RB. But okay, you can also give me Montana to Rice/Taylor/Brent Jones with Roger Craig or Young to Rice/Taylor with Ricky Watters running the ball. Also lethal. And of course, the Colts' offense with Peyton/Harrison/Wayne with Edge (though they could never come through, most of the time, in big games).

The Broncos' offense was good. But they weren't nearly as dominant as any one of those offenses.

ChiefsCountry
06-27-2010, 12:33 AM
Denver wasn't even the best team in the 90's, they were 4th best behind the Cowboys, 49ers, and the Bills.

Chief Roundup
06-27-2010, 10:14 AM
Oh what the fug ever-I wouldnt care if they cheated the cap for the next 10 years to win a SB.

No way if you have to cheat you didn't win anything. It will always be tainted.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-27-2010, 03:38 PM
The argument that Charles would have ripped things up behind that Donkey line has merit.

However, we can't really make that argument until we see how Charles fares over the course of time as the #1 RB on this team.

I think he brings a combination of patience and vision comaprable to Priest's, and has better speed and could very well put up some sick numbers.
I thought so when we drafted him.

But he needs to show he can do it for longer than half a season to really get into any discussion.

I love the way he reads the field, it truly is fun to watch. Especially on the replays.