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big nasty kcnut
06-28-2010, 05:13 AM
Just saw in on fox news. He going to hell in a handbasket. I hope he burn in hell the racist bigot.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/28/robert-byrd-longest-serving-senator-dies/

Pioli Zombie
06-28-2010, 06:37 AM
You're supposed to say something good about the dead. He's dead. Good.

Deberg_1990
06-28-2010, 07:17 AM
Now if only the people who kept voting for this turd over and over and over would die off.

Norman Einstein
06-28-2010, 07:17 AM
Now maybe they can get a conservative in that seat - probably have to get one without cobwebs on it though!

bkkcoh
06-28-2010, 07:22 AM
You're supposed to say something good about the dead. He's dead. Good.

He can now be with his dog Billie.

How is that....

The Mad Crapper
06-28-2010, 08:10 AM
Kennedy, Murtha, and now Byrd are all dead. Nows that's change I can believe in!

patteeu
06-28-2010, 08:35 AM
Kennedy, Murtha, and now Byrd are all dead. Nows that's change I can believe in!

Insensitive, but hard not to appreciate. I've got to agree.

HonestChieffan
06-28-2010, 09:01 AM
They should name a state after him. Everything else in WV is already named after him.

Chiefshrink
06-28-2010, 09:36 AM
Insensitive, but hard not to appreciate. I've got to agree.

Insensitive?????????????? Better brush up on "insensitive" in these "phonies lives".

Kennedy-Mary Jo

Murtha- Going after his own-knowing these soldiers were innocent for political gain.

Byrd- KKK

At least you were honest when you said you have to agree, I'll give you that.

Chiefshrink
06-28-2010, 09:39 AM
And NO WHERE in the MSMarxist Press will they use acronym "KKK" in their reporting of his death. Halpren came close but couldn't quite say it.:rolleyes:

But if this were a Republican???????????

boogblaster
06-28-2010, 09:45 AM
KKK .. hummm

CaliforniaChief
06-28-2010, 10:14 AM
The governor of WV is a Democrat, and he will appoint the successor. However, because he died with more than 30 months left on his term (by about 4 or 5 days)...there will most likely be a special election at some point instead of the successor filling out his term. Looks like they should have kept the old Byrd on life support for a few days.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39092.html

ClevelandBronco
06-28-2010, 10:20 AM
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Jenson71
06-28-2010, 10:22 AM
And NO WHERE in the MSMarxist Press will they use acronym "KKK" in their reporting of his death. Halpren came close but couldn't quite say it.:rolleyes:

But if this were a Republican???????????

His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

chiefsnorth
06-28-2010, 10:24 AM
It would be insensitive to make a joke about how comfortable he probably feels being covered in that white sheet, so I won't.

|Zach|
06-28-2010, 10:24 AM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

sportsshrink failure...again.

FD
06-28-2010, 10:26 AM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Just another MARXIST DEM trick.......Alinsky strikes again:cuss:

|Zach|
06-28-2010, 10:33 AM
Just another MARXIST DEM trick.......Alinsky strikes again:cuss:

Life is tough when you believe everything worldnetdaily tells you without taking any time out to use your own brain.

HonestChieffan
06-28-2010, 11:13 AM
Perhaps West Virginia Could Remember Byrd By Naming Something After Him
June 28, 2010 10:17 AM
By Jim Geraghty
How do you measure the legacy of the departed West Virginia senator? I look at this…

Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
Byrd Aerospace Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton Robert C. Byrd Federal Building
Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
Robert C. Byrd Freeway
Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope
Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd High school in Bridgeport
Robert C. Byrd Highway
Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County
Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center
Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam
Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center
Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award
Byrd Science Center, Shepherd University
Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park
… and think of one word: modesty.

UPDATE: I imagine some version of this conversation has occurred at some point:

“I thought you said we were meeting at the Robert C. Byrd Federal Building & U.S. Courthouse!”

“We are! But you’re at the one in Beckley, West Virginia, but I’m at the one in Charleston, West Virginia!“

Der Flöprer
06-28-2010, 11:15 AM
And NO WHERE in the MSMarxist Press will they use acronym "KKK" in their reporting of his death. Halpren came close but couldn't quite say it.:rolleyes:

But if this were a Republican???????????

If it were a Republican you would be keeping your mouth shut right now.

banyon
06-28-2010, 11:53 AM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

ownage

Cave Johnson
06-28-2010, 12:04 PM
Red rep all around.

Slainte
06-28-2010, 12:09 PM
The content of the OP is an excellent example of why so many folks choose not to frequent this scum pit sub-forum.

ClevelandBronco
06-28-2010, 12:19 PM
The content of the OP is an excellent example of why so many folks choose not to frequent this scum pit sub-forum.

Do the right thing.

Dallas Chief
06-28-2010, 12:36 PM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

How about you compare apples to apples and look up the NYT obit on Strom Thurmond? Is there a media double standard? I am still pondering that myself. :hmmm:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/27/us/strom-thurmond-foe-of-integration-dies-at-100.html

Cave Johnson
06-28-2010, 01:22 PM
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Brock
06-28-2010, 01:42 PM
WASHINGTON — Robert C. Byrd, who rose from the poverty of West Virginia coal country to become the sage and conscience of the U.S. Senate in a political career stretching more than half a century, died Monday. He was 92.



*gag*

Rain Man
06-28-2010, 01:46 PM
This is going to prevent some future tax increases for me, I think. But on the other hand it will probably delay the development of the Skittles Hall of Fame in some hardscrabble West Virginia town and the 500-foot Monument to New Kids on the Block in some other hardscrabble West Virginia town.

chiefsnorth
06-28-2010, 01:53 PM
This is going to prevent some future tax increases for me, I think. But on the other hand it will probably delay the development of the Skittles Hall of Fame in some hardscrabble West Virginia town and the 500-foot Monument to New Kids on the Block in some other hardscrabble West Virginia town.

Yes, I don't know how Earmite Junction WV will ever get the $39 million is needs to build the Robert C. Bryd Spam Lite museum now.

fan4ever
06-28-2010, 02:00 PM
Byrd may have been a member of the KKK at one time, but we're all capable of change, especially Democrats...I watch them change from liberals to moderates every election.

mlyonsd
06-28-2010, 02:54 PM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

To be fair the Today Show this morning mentioned he was at one time a member of the KKK.

bkkcoh
06-28-2010, 03:02 PM
To be fair the Today Show this morning mentioned he was at one time a member of the KKK.

Did they mention what role he had in the KKK?
Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan when he was 24 in 1942. His local chapter unanimously elected him the top officer of their unit.[8]

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[8] Byrd held the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops.[8]

In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi senator Theodore Bilbo:[11]
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [8][12]

When running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[8] However, in 1946 or 1947 he wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."[13]

In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics, but to "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[14] In his latest autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[15] Byrd also said, in 2005,
“ I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, [8]

How much flack did the David Duke get for being a former KKK member, being associated with the KKK ended his political aspirations, as it should have.

Pioli Zombie
06-28-2010, 03:07 PM
They should burn him on someones front lawn.

Donger
06-28-2010, 03:26 PM
Byrd may have been a member of the KKK at one time, but we're all capable of change, especially Democrats...I watch them change from liberals to moderates every election.

This is from 2007. Change, indeed.

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Chiefshrink
06-28-2010, 04:02 PM
His KKK involvement is in the New York Times obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html?hp

Oh, it's also on cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/politics/main6625869.shtml?tag=stack

And there's a section about it in the msnbc.com article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37959947/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Seriously is that all you have???????????????????????/

fan4ever
06-28-2010, 04:06 PM
This is from 2007. Change, indeed.

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Do you remember the huge outcry demanding he step down? Me neither.

BIG_DADDY
06-28-2010, 04:10 PM
That's one dead Byrd.

Baby Lee
06-28-2010, 04:11 PM
Did they mention what role he had in the KKK?


How much flack did the David Duke get for being a former KKK member, being associated with the KKK ended his political aspirations, as it should have.

Somehow it seems worse that someone would put pen to paper about the 'race mongrels' and 'blackest specimens from the wild' out of a 'jejune' sense that it would be good for his aspirations to power, than if he were a misguided true believer.

BucEyedPea
06-28-2010, 04:28 PM
Hallelujah!
Wrap his coffin in a white sheet instead of a Flag! LMAO

GoHuge
06-28-2010, 04:36 PM
The comedy factory that this ****ing whack job is has got to be the only reason WV kept voting for this guy time and time again. He is priceless! They've seen and witnessed it and want the rest of the country to be able to enjoy this gem as well. If the people of West Virginia elected him for any reason except for the comedy factor they look like a bunch of ****ing morons. I don't think I've ever heard a politician more in love with the sound of his own voice. I'm sure his people still tell him he's great and that people listen to what it is that he's saying, but he's been reduced to a comedy clip on YouTube every time he speaks. I for one am glad that grandpa dumb**** is dead and gone. He was an embarrassment to the entire country. Dude's cheese slipped off the cracker long ago :shake:.

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Reaper16
06-28-2010, 04:46 PM
Life is easy when you believe everything worldnetdaily tells you without taking any time out to use your own brain.
FYP

mlyonsd
06-28-2010, 05:17 PM
Did they mention what role he had in the KKK?


How much flack did the David Duke get for being a former KKK member, being associated with the KKK ended his political aspirations, as it should have.

I'm just saying at least the MSM is mentioning it. In no way are they fair when attacking politicians when it comes to racism. If they did Jesse Jackson and Charilie Rangel wouldn't be riding around in limos.

Byrd was brilliant in knowing where his bread was buttered and should be held up as an example of why term limits are necessary.

All that said RIP.

notorious
06-28-2010, 05:39 PM
Fuck that Douche.

Der Flöprer
06-28-2010, 05:39 PM
Fuck that Douche.

FTR, I'll 2nd this sentiment.

Der Flöprer
06-28-2010, 05:40 PM
I hope they put "The biggest coal burner of them all" on his tomb.

Donger
06-28-2010, 05:43 PM
should be held up as an example of why term limits are necessary.

Indeed.

Deberg_1990
06-28-2010, 05:50 PM
should be held up as an example of why term limits are necessary.



This x10000!!!

Its kind of sad we have to rely about death now to get real change in congress.

BigOlChiefsfan
06-28-2010, 06:35 PM
The country's in the best of hands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY1yszeePz8)

mlyonsd
06-28-2010, 06:42 PM
This x10000!!!

Its kind of sad we have to rely about death now to get real change in congress.

Until there is a true term limit law we won't get change, just more vampires.

googlegoogle
06-28-2010, 06:48 PM
Dummocrats shed a tear for their thrifty spending Klansman.

WV
06-28-2010, 07:50 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread. I'm a republican, WV residence, and no huge fan of Robert C. Byrd, but as a WV residence I can honestly say that Byrd has done more good for the state of WV than probably any other WV politician in the states history. He was in office too long, but while he was there he brought 1000's of Government jobs to the state and acquired millions in funding for the state. Yes he was affiliated with the KKK in his youth and was the pork king, but I challenge anyone to find me a squeaky clean politician. If they aren't admitted crooks, they're crooks behind your back.

notorious
06-28-2010, 07:59 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread. I'm a republican, WV residence, and no huge fan of Robert C. Byrd, but as a WV residence I can honestly say that Byrd has done more good for the state of WV than probably any other WV politician in the states history. He was in office too long, but while he was there he brought 1000's of Government jobs to the state and acquired millions in funding for the state. Yes he was affiliated with the KKK in his youth and was the pork king, but I challenge anyone to find me a squeaky clean politician. If they aren't admitted crooks, they're crooks behind your back.

So we agree, he was a douche among many douches.


Got it.

Rain Man
06-28-2010, 08:06 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread. I'm a republican, WV residence, and no huge fan of Robert C. Byrd, but as a WV residence I can honestly say that Byrd has done more good for the state of WV than probably any other WV politician in the states history. He was in office too long, but while he was there he brought 1000's of Government jobs to the state and acquired millions in funding for the state. Yes he was affiliated with the KKK in his youth and was the pork king, but I challenge anyone to find me a squeaky clean politician. If they aren't admitted crooks, they're crooks behind your back.

I can see why WVians would keep voting for him because he did do just what you said. He was WV's single greatest industry. I think some of us question what he did for the country as a whole, though, other than funnel money into his home state. For the 98 percent of people who don't live in WV, it seems like all he did was take our money to build dubious pork projects with his name on them.

You can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, of course, because I'm wrong quite often.

mlyonsd
06-28-2010, 08:15 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread. I'm a republican, WV residence, and no huge fan of Robert C. Byrd, but as a WV residence I can honestly say that Byrd has done more good for the state of WV than probably any other WV politician in the states history. He was in office too long, but while he was there he brought 1000's of Government jobs to the state and acquired millions in funding for the state. Yes he was affiliated with the KKK in his youth and was the pork king, but I challenge anyone to find me a squeaky clean politician. If they aren't admitted crooks, they're crooks behind your back.

Totally see where you're coming from. Which is exactly why we need term limits.

patteeu
06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread.

Yes, we're bipartisan in that respect.

Reaper16
06-28-2010, 08:29 PM
I don't care about Byrd one way or the other but isn't Byrd's connection to the KKK a lot like Pope Benedict XVI's connection to the Hitler Youth?

fan4ever
06-28-2010, 08:34 PM
Awful lot of hate and ignorance in this thread. I'm a republican, WV residence, and no huge fan of Robert C. Byrd, but as a WV residence I can honestly say that Byrd has done more good for the state of WV than probably any other WV politician in the states history. He was in office too long, but while he was there he brought 1000's of Government jobs to the state and acquired millions in funding for the state. Yes he was affiliated with the KKK in his youth and was the pork king, but I challenge anyone to find me a squeaky clean politician. If they aren't admitted crooks, they're crooks behind your back.

It's a weird moment when someone thinks they're contradicting your viewpoint when in actuality, they're confirming it.

WV
06-28-2010, 08:43 PM
It's a weird moment when someone thinks they're contradicting your viewpoint when in actuality, they're confirming it.

Not really contradicting anyone, just trying to show a different point of view and offer little more to the thread then just slinging mud at a dead guy. It's easy to do with politicians, but like all other politicians he did do some good whether folks want to see it or not.

WV
06-28-2010, 08:44 PM
I can see why WVians would keep voting for him because he did do just what you said. He was WV's single greatest industry. I think some of us question what he did for the country as a whole, though, other than funnel money into his home state. For the 98 percent of people who don't live in WV, it seems like all he did was take our money to build dubious pork projects with his name on them.

You can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, of course, because I'm wrong quite often.

Him and soo many others....Biden is a good example but frankly IMO comparing Byrd to Biden is insulting to Byrd!:evil:

bkkcoh
06-28-2010, 08:47 PM
I'm just saying at least the MSM is mentioning it. In no way are they fair when attacking politicians when it comes to racism. If they did Jesse Jackson and Charilie Rangel wouldn't be riding around in limos.

Byrd was brilliant in knowing where his bread was buttered and should be held up as an example of why term limits are necessary.

All that said RIP.

What are you saying the the fine people from West by God Virginia are slightly racist?

lol

notorious
06-28-2010, 08:48 PM
he did do some good

At what price?



He is the very definition of what is wrong with the Federal Government.

bkkcoh
06-28-2010, 08:50 PM
I don't care about Byrd one way or the other but isn't Byrd's connection to the KKK a lot like Pope Benedict XVI's connection to the Hitler Youth?

It is amazing how many people wanted the Pope to step down because of his involvement when he was a priest.

I think both of the things are equally bad in my opinion.

bkkcoh
06-28-2010, 08:51 PM
At what price?



He is the very definition of what is wrong with the Federal Government.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

patteeu
06-28-2010, 08:58 PM
I don't care about Byrd one way or the other but isn't Byrd's connection to the KKK a lot like Pope Benedict XVI's connection to the Hitler Youth?

Kind of like the way a new bride on her wedding night and a rape victim are a lot like each other, I guess.

RJ
06-28-2010, 09:03 PM
I don't get it. Why all this trashing the dead guy for doing what he was elected to do? Don't you guys have any of those type congressmen in your own states? New Mexico's Pete Domenici had to step aside due to illness but before that he spent 6 terms bringing federal money into this state, especially for the national labs.

I agree we should have term limits but until that happens guys like Byrd are just doing what their constituents want.

fan4ever
06-28-2010, 09:06 PM
Not really contradicting anyone, just trying to show a different point of view and offer little more to the thread then just slinging mud at a dead guy. It's easy to do with politicians, but like all other politicians he did do some good whether folks want to see it or not.

We're not just slinging mud at a dead guy; what makes him a hero to you (millions in pork projects) is largely what's problematic with Washington...and he was "the big daddy" to quote one of his fellow senators.

notorious
06-28-2010, 09:11 PM
I agree we should have term limits but until that happens guys like Byrd are just doing what their constituents want.



I agree with you somewhat. Byrd is doing what his constituents want, because the system allows him to do it.


BUT, he was a big part of making the system vulnerable to the kind of abuse it is subjected to today. Scumbag Politician, period.

mlyonsd
06-28-2010, 09:19 PM
Kind of like the way a new bride on her wedding night and a rape victim are a lot like each other, I guess.

Or kind of like a Paris whore that serviced Nazi's in 1941 and then serviced American GI's in 1945.

RJ
06-28-2010, 09:22 PM
I agree with you somewhat. Byrd is doing what his constituents want, because the system allows him to do it.


BUT, he was a big part of making the system vulnerable to the kind of abuse it is subjected to today. Scumbag Politician, period.



I guess it just depends on whether you live in the state that's getting the money. Just like most voters disapprove of congress in general but think their own guy is doing a decent job.

notorious
06-28-2010, 09:27 PM
I guess it just depends on whether you live in the state that's getting the money. Just like most voters disapprove of congress in general but think their own guy is doing a decent job.

Yep.

He was the master at getting money tacked onto bills for W.Va. Good for W.Va, bad for the future of the U.S.


A bill should be voted on according to the merits of the bill, not what money a state can get to buy a vote.

Der Flöprer
06-28-2010, 09:30 PM
This thread is good for one thing, and that's discussing what's wrong with politics.

Politicians.

Chiefshrink
06-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Life is tough when you believe everything worldnetdaily tells you without taking any time out to use your own brain.


Look in the mirror Zach:rolleyes: If the articles I post from WND are false then prove it! But no, you just insult because you have no substantive comeback which is what most of you Progressive Marxists do 95% of the time in this forum.

WV
06-28-2010, 09:48 PM
We're not just slinging mud at a dead guy; what makes him a hero to you (millions in pork projects) is largely what's problematic with Washington...and he was "the big daddy" to quote one of his fellow senators.

I never said he was a hero nor do I think he was one...I mentioned I wasn't a big fan, but no matter what anyone thinks of what or how he did what he did he did a lot of good for WV. Bottom line is like RJ said, he was doing his job for his state and if he didn't get it for WV, some other Senator would have gotten it for their respective state. And I totally agree that pork projects are bad, but that being said and again agreeing with RJ, if it were your state you would look at it a little differently.

WV
06-28-2010, 09:52 PM
At what price?



He is the very definition of what is wrong with the Federal Government.

Seriously??? It's not like he was dropping nukes on babies.............oh my at what price! Virtually every politician is what's wrong with the federal Government, let's not overstate things. He was one Senator in a room full of others doing the same thing.

Chiefshrink
06-28-2010, 09:54 PM
I never said he was a hero nor do I think he was one...I mentioned I wasn't a big fan, but no matter what anyone thinks of what or how he did what he did he did a lot of good for WV. Bottom line is like RJ said, he was doing his job for his state and if he didn't get it for WV, some other Senator would have gotten it for their respective state. And I totally agree that pork projects are bad, but that being said and again agreeing with RJ, if it were your state you would look at it a little differently.

So you will accept Socialism when you can get it then?:shrug: This is what I'm hearing from you. Correct?

WV
06-28-2010, 09:57 PM
So you will accept Socialism when you can get it then?:shrug: This is what I'm hearing from you. Correct?

It's being shoved down our throats at the moment, but all we can do is try to change things through voting and I did that by not voting for Byrd. However, I'm sure that you refuse all benefits your state receives from pork and other projects correct?

|Zach|
06-28-2010, 09:58 PM
Look in the mirror Zach:rolleyes: If the articles I post from WND are false then prove it! But no, you just insult because you have no substantive comeback which is what most of you Progressive Marxists do 95% of the time in this forum.

Actually just today someone called you out on your idiocy...put clown shoes on your for saying the media wouldn't mentioned the KKK thing with Byrd...when you were proven to be absolutely wrong you responded with... "is that all you have got?"

It truth matters little to you. You have created your little fantasy world as a crutch. Facts don't do well in your play land.

stevieray
06-28-2010, 10:13 PM
...in March of 1968, MLK left Memphis after riots broke out and teenager was killed. Byrd called him a "trouble maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after the trouble starts. King returned a few weeks later and was assassinated.

Hopefully people are going to finally wake up and realize that people like Byrd are responsible for an enormous amount of damage against blacks in the South, and not buy the mention of being a member of the KKK.

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:14 PM
Seriously??? It's not like he was dropping nukes on babies.............oh my at what price! Virtually every politician is what's wrong with the federal Government, let's not overstate things. He was one Senator in a room full of others doing the same thing.

Yes, Seriously! You took me completely out of context along with not even reading my posts later in the thread.

Anyway, I will repeat myself again: He helped set the foundation to create a ****ed up system that allows side deals and bribes to buy votes on bills.


Both sides are guilty of abusing it, but he was one of the creators. **** him.

MadMax
06-28-2010, 11:23 PM
Yes, Seriously! You took me completely out of context along with not even reading my posts later in the thread.

Anyway, I will repeat myself again: He helped set the foundation to create a ****ed up system that allows side deals and bribes to buy votes on bills.


Both sides are guilty of abusing it, but he was one of the creators. **** him.




Personally I hope they ALL burn in hell....

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:26 PM
Personally I hope they ALL burn in hell....

We could only be so lucky......


Both sides are out of touch.

MadMax
06-28-2010, 11:27 PM
die ganze Regierung sind Stücke von Scheiße

fan4ever
06-28-2010, 11:27 PM
I never said he was a hero nor do I think he was one...I mentioned I wasn't a big fan, but no matter what anyone thinks of what or how he did what he did he did a lot of good for WV. Bottom line is like RJ said, he was doing his job for his state and if he didn't get it for WV, some other Senator would have gotten it for their respective state. And I totally agree that pork projects are bad, but that being said and again agreeing with RJ, if it were your state you would look at it a little differently.

You're right; you didn't call him a hero and I stand corrected. And I do understand what some people believe is politicians jobs; looking out for their constituency but Byrd would have served his people better IMO bringing industries and jobs into his state rather than federally funded projects for decades upon decades...God knows he had the time. Perhaps had he concentrated on that rather than the pork more people would have futures that didn't involve industries like coal mining for one.

Pitt Gorilla
06-28-2010, 11:28 PM
And NO WHERE in the MSMarxist Press will they use acronym "KKK" in their reporting of his death. Halpren came close but couldn't quite say it.:rolleyes:

But if this were a Republican???????????Honestly, there is no need to lie about it.

MadMax
06-28-2010, 11:31 PM
So happy the ol bastard lived to be what 103 or something :( Fuck him

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:36 PM
So happy the ol bastard lived to be what 103 or something :( **** him

Just like the saying,"Only the good die young".







He should have lived to be 176 years old.

WV
06-28-2010, 11:45 PM
You're right; you didn't call him a hero and I stand corrected. And I do understand what some people believe is politicians jobs; looking out for their constituency but Byrd would have served his people better IMO bringing industries and jobs into his state rather than federally funded projects for decades upon decades...God knows he had the time. Perhaps had he concentrated on that rather than the pork more people would have futures that didn't involve industries like coal mining for one.

Actually, bringing jobs to WV is one of the area's he did well in. While most of the central/southern part of the state is coal mining and chemical production to a lesser extent, he was instrumental in bringing the IRS, ATF, Coast Guard, and the VA Medical Center (I believe) to the Eastern Panhandle of WV. Those Government agencies alone bring 1000's of jobs to the state that otherwise wouldn't have been there.

WV
06-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Yes, Seriously! You took me completely out of context along with not even reading my posts later in the thread.

Anyway, I will repeat myself again: He helped set the foundation to create a ****ed up system that allows side deals and bribes to buy votes on bills.


Both sides are guilty of abusing it, but he was one of the creators. **** him.

Just highlighting the fact that I thought you were being a little melodramatic about it....I had read your other replies. Even though he was 92 I hardly think he was an innovator in shady politics, but this is nothing more than a pissing contest that isn't going anywhere so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And perhaps agree that his biggest fault was being a Dem!

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:52 PM
Just highlighting the fact that I thought you were being a little melodramatic about it....I had read your other replies. Even though he was 92 I hardly think he was an innovator in shady politics, but this is nothing more than a pissing contest that isn't going anywhere so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Cool. Thanks for the conversation.

Chiefshrink
06-29-2010, 09:34 AM
It's being shoved down our throats at the moment, but all we can do is try to change things through voting and I did that by not voting for Byrd. However, I'm sure that you refuse all benefits your state receives from pork and other projects correct?

In one breath you say you didn't support him and in the next you say he did a lot of good WV. Can't have it both ways unless of course your a LIB of which you say you are not:shrug:

The Mad Crapper
06-29-2010, 09:41 AM
Another dead career politician. Awesome. And a democrat to boot. Bonus.

Chiefshrink
06-29-2010, 09:47 AM
It truth matters little to you. You have created your little fantasy world as a crutch. Facts don't do well in your play land.

You are describing pretty much your "radical Lefty Marxist Party" who refuse to see and read the "TRUE TEA LEAVES" of ANGER & FEAR of the American people who "in majority" do not like the direction of "socialism" that our "dictator in chief" is taking us.

He will not listen nor does he care about the American people because "HE KNOWS BETTER". Besides this is what "dictators" do is "lip service" to the people but in reality "balls to the wall" in true action for their "POWER and CONTROL" agenda of the people.

The King has no clothes on and the only people telling him he does have clothes on are his cabinet and the MSMarxist Press. But even they are starting to question to some degree. Remains to be seen how long they stay on board.

Your statement above is classic "Projection".

Byrd was barely mentioned as KKK.:shake:

Rain Man
06-29-2010, 09:57 AM
You can argue about his techniques, but you can't argue about his results. In 1950, West Virginia ranked 44th in per capita income among the 50 states (counting Alaska and Hawaii as territories at the time). By 1999, after a half-century or so of Byrd's work, West Virginia ranked 49th, getting passed by Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Mississippi was ranked 50th, and went from 73 percent of West Virginia's income to 99 percent of West Virginia's income, so West Virginia might be 50th now.

Kudoes to Robert Byrd's leadership in guiding West Virginia! Free lunches for everyone!


Source:

http://www.bea.gov/scb/pdf/2001/06june/0601cspi.pdf

patteeu
06-29-2010, 10:15 AM
In one breath you say you didn't support him and in the next you say he did a lot of good WV. Can't have it both ways unless of course your a LIB of which you say you are not:shrug:

What's wrong with you? You don't have to support someone to recognize that they aren't the devil incarnate. It's not an all or nothing thing in most cases. I don't support Ron Paul because I have serious foreign policy differences with him, but he still earns praise from me for many of the things he does for conservatism.

WV
06-29-2010, 10:51 AM
In one breath you say you didn't support him and in the next you say he did a lot of good WV. Can't have it both ways unless of course your a LIB of which you say you are not:shrug:

I'm seriously doubting your intelligence and at the moment your giving Conservatives everywhere a bad name. This isn't quantum physics, sounds like you may be the closet LIB with all the gray area your having trouble with.

fan4ever
06-29-2010, 12:17 PM
You can argue about his techniques, but you can't argue about his results. In 1950, West Virginia ranked 44th in per capita income among the 50 states (counting Alaska and Hawaii as territories at the time). By 1999, after a half-century or so of Byrd's work, West Virginia ranked 49th, getting passed by Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Mississippi was ranked 50th, and went from 73 percent of West Virginia's income to 99 percent of West Virginia's income, so West Virginia might be 50th now.

Kudoes to Robert Byrd's leadership in guiding West Virginia! Free lunches for everyone!


Source:

http://www.bea.gov/scb/pdf/2001/06june/0601cspi.pdf

Probably Bush's fault somehow. Bush hates white n*ggers.

RJ
06-29-2010, 12:38 PM
West Virginia is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the country but it will probably never be one of the most prosperous states in the country. It's just not built that way, geographically speaking. Sure is pretty though.

fan4ever
06-29-2010, 12:41 PM
West Virginia is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the country but it will probably never be one of the most prosperous states in the country. It's just not built that way, geographically speaking. Sure is pretty though.

Never been there but I guess John Denver was impressed. Maybe I'll get to see it if I ever get a Byrd sponsored government job.

WV
06-29-2010, 01:03 PM
Never been there but I guess John Denver was impressed. Maybe I'll get to see it if I ever get a Byrd sponsored government job.

Even the Federal Government has higher standards than that! :D

The Mad Crapper
06-29-2010, 01:22 PM
West Virginia is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the country but it will probably never be one of the most prosperous states in the country. It's just not built that way, geographically speaking. Sure is pretty though.

It is a beautiful state, I've been to harpers ferry.

I love the speed limit, too.

bkkcoh
06-29-2010, 01:23 PM
West Virginia is certainly one of the most beautiful states in the country but it will probably never be one of the most prosperous states in the country. It's just not built that way, geographically speaking. Sure is pretty though.

No doubt it being a beautiful state. Especially some areas.

Oucho Cinco
06-29-2010, 01:30 PM
I bet the liberals here are crying in their beer and the conservatives are throwing a kegger.
In both scenarios there is beer involved. What a reason for getting drunk!

fan4ever
06-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Even the Federal Government has higher standards than that! :D

Well considering the qualifications it takes to get into the White House anymore, I guess I'd do OK.

WV
06-29-2010, 02:03 PM
Well considering the qualifications it takes to get into the White House anymore, I guess I'd do OK.

Touche!..........

WV
06-29-2010, 02:08 PM
No doubt it being a beautiful state. Especially some areas.

I don't live close to it, but I've white water rafted on the New River and it was pretty amazing. Also you are right there are some especially pretty areas and most are in the Southern part of the state. I'm in the Eastern Panhandle and I'm about an hour from DC and Baltimore. There are some pretty areas here too as someone mentioned Harpers Ferry and if your a Civil War buff there's Antietam and Sharpsburg really close. As probably with most natives to their state I love WV and wouldn't consider living anywhere else.

RJ
06-29-2010, 02:16 PM
I've been on a couple of those rafting trips in WV, the New and the Cheat I believe. It's been a number of years ago but I don't suppose it's changed. Exhilarating, to say the least.

Bill Parcells
06-29-2010, 05:38 PM
Rumor has it that he was buried with full kkk honors with his grand wizard hood on.

Frankie
06-29-2010, 09:54 PM
Insensitive?????????????? Better brush up on "insensitive" in these "phonies lives".

Kennedy-Mary Jo

Are you sure beyond the shadow of any doubt that the same forces behind his two brothers' assassinations did not try to assassinate his political career? I'm not saying that was definitely the case, but how can you be sure? The man had a known penchant for women and booze. Two convenient weaknesses his enemies could use to get him in that scene.

On the other hand Cheney and Bush were directly responsible for 4000 Americans dead. That's a score of 4000-1. My point? Let's not convict one guy while not even accusing another.


Byrd- KKK

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/the-evolution-of-robert-byrds-racial-politics.php

Far from my favorite politician. But let's be fair. The man was a member of KKK in his early 20s, but eventually earned a 100% rating from the NAACP:

"Sen. Byrd displayed a mix of conservative and liberal points of view in his later years. Remarkably, though, his politics resonated with the African-American community and came out on the right side of issues that are of concern to black voters. Byrd enjoyed a perfect 100 percent rating from the NAACP. He proposed $10 million to fund a Martin Luther King National Memorial in Washington, DC. The senator received a 67 percent rating from the American Civil Liberties Union, and a 65 percent rating from the League of Conservation Voters on environmental issues."

It's easy to hate on folks and hold them responsible a lifetime after their mistakes of youth. But you should at least admire his turnaround.
.

Chiefshrink
06-29-2010, 11:33 PM
What's wrong with you? You don't have to support someone to recognize that they aren't the devil incarnate. It's not an all or nothing thing in most cases. I don't support Ron Paul because I have serious foreign policy differences with him, but he still earns praise from me for many of the things he does for conservatism.

I realize there is no perfect candidate for any of us regardless of conservative or liberal. All was trying to point out was that if you say you are a conservative how can "pork" be a good thing?

If I am guilty of making sure conservatives (who say they are conservatives) keep "their knives sharp" at all times then count me guilty. Forgive for appearing all or nothing but their are 'some' conservative values that are absolute and non-negotiable:D

Chiefshrink
06-30-2010, 12:27 AM
I'm seriously doubting your intelligence and at the moment your giving Conservatives everywhere a bad name. This isn't quantum physics, sounds like you may be the closet LIB with all the gray area your having trouble with.

What is 'all the gray area' I'm having trouble with???? I just mentioned one and that was what you said about how all the pork helped WV while you claim to be on the right. Who is making conservatives look bad????

Pork, a gray area??? For a conservative??? Better not be! This 'IS' one of those 'absolutes' that are a staple that conservatives are against in 'principle' and have not lived up to in these last 2 decades I will admit and very disappointing.

If there is any aspect of my life that is difficult it surely is not "dealing with the gray area" of life in general. I deal with the "gray" everyday. What I do for a living is try to help people achieve that delicate balance of absolutes and relativity.

For "anal types" those who have let "all or none" thinking make their lives miserable, I help them embrace some 'healthy relativity' so that they might discover that not having a rule to follow at all times actually reduces their stress thus they discover a new hidden enjoyment by not feeling responsible for everything 24/7 if you get my drift.

For those "free spirit types" who don't want any accountability or structure because that might ruin their creativity and fantasy land they live in 24/7 to avoid 'real life';(Direckshun,ZACH,etc....:D) I try to help them embrace some "absolutes" so as to 'somewhat' reign them in(establish some order), in hopes to show them that some absolutes can relieve some of the chaos(stress) that they have caused themselves in order to deal with 'real life'.

Look WV, I realize you are new in this forum and many times my passion for certain things politically can come across very "Parcells like" and or "Pattonesque". I saw an "oxymoron" in your statement and needed clarification by asking a question, not calling you out. If you perceived it as calling you out I apologize. If I called you out you would definitely know it.

Chiefshrink
06-30-2010, 12:40 AM
.

OMG:eek: Are you serious???????????????????????????????

Read the whole account of Chappaquitick(sp?) and analyze Kennedy's character in that whole scenario before during and immediately after the incident and then tell me who is insensitive? Hell forget insensitive let's just call it "sociopathic"!!!

Byrd was still a racist til the day he died. Just review all the racist gaffes he made long after he left the KKK. The Dems and press just gave him a pass because he was sure vote for the left and framed him as just a crazy old man. But he wasn't. He was a racist MOFO!!

patteeu
06-30-2010, 07:47 AM
I realize there is no perfect candidate for any of us regardless of conservative or liberal. All was trying to point out was that if you say you are a conservative how can "pork" be a good thing?

If I am guilty of making sure conservatives (who say they are conservatives) keep "their knives sharp" at all times then count me guilty. Forgive for appearing all or nothing but their are 'some' conservative values that are absolute and non-negotiable:D

Pork is a reality. Pork isn't easily definable because one person's pork is another person's vital project in the national interest. If a project is going forward and it can either be located in your state or somewhere else, it does more for your constituents if you can bring it home to your state. This type of thing isn't a prima facie violation of some conservative value. Even Ron Paul does this.

patteeu
06-30-2010, 07:55 AM
OMG:eek: Are you serious???????????????????????????????

Read the whole account of Chappaquitick(sp?) and analyze Kennedy's character in that whole scenario before during and immediately after the incident and then tell me who is insensitive? Hell forget insensitive let's just call it "sociopathic"!!!

Byrd was still a racist til the day he died. Just review all the racist gaffes he made long after he left the KKK. The Dems and press just gave him a pass because he was sure vote for the left and framed him as just a crazy old man. But he wasn't. He was a racist MOFO!!

Out of curiousity, what racist gaffes are you talking about?

patteeu
06-30-2010, 07:57 AM
OMG:eek: Are you serious???????????????????????????????

On this, all reasonable people can agree... Frankie is off the deep end.

Frankie
06-30-2010, 09:35 AM
OMG:eek: Are you serious???????????????????????????????

Read the whole account of Chappaquitick(sp?) and analyze Kennedy's character in that whole scenario before during and immediately after the incident and then tell me who is insensitive? Hell forget insensitive let's just call it "sociopathic"!!!

Byrd was still a racist til the day he died. Just review all the racist gaffes he made long after he left the KKK. The Dems and press just gave him a pass because he was sure vote for the left and framed him as just a crazy old man. But he wasn't. He was a racist MOFO!!

I provided a very plausible theory and a proof. You are still providing your opinion.

BTW, a sociopath would not have been squarely in the public eye for another 40 years without another example of his "sociopathic" behavior coming out. Ted Kennedy died as a very respected statesman and you still cling to your "opinion" fueled by your political hatred.

Chiefshrink
06-30-2010, 09:43 AM
Pork is a reality. Pork isn't easily definable because one person's pork is another person's vital project in the national interest. If a project is going forward and it can either be located in your state or somewhere else, it does more for your constituents if you can bring it home to your state. This type of thing isn't a prima facie violation of some conservative value. Even Ron Paul does this.

On the surface I get what you are saying, but I think by looking at each state individually and it's economy we can set limits and standards on defining what is "essential infrastructure" to that state and what is "pork". And there is the "RUB" defining what is "essential" and what is "not".

Most politicians don't want definitions or limits/standards of what "pork" is because then all the "lining of the pockets $$/Fun perks STOP!!:D

This is what needs to change!!

Brock
06-30-2010, 09:46 AM
Are you sure beyond the shadow of any doubt that the same forces behind his two brothers' assassinations did not try to assassinate his political career? I'm not saying that was definitely the case, but how can you be sure? The man had a known penchant for women and booze. Two convenient weaknesses his enemies could use to get him in that scene.



ROFLROFLROFL

Chiefshrink
06-30-2010, 09:51 AM
BTW, a sociopath would not have been squarely in the public eye for another 40 years without another example of his "sociopathic" behavior coming out. Ted Kennedy died as a very respected statesman and you still cling to your "opinion" fueled by your political hatred.

You show your ignorance of ignoring the obvious and not to mention what you deem sociopathic. How about the William Kennedy Smith Rape Trial in which Teddy was critical in getting little William off the hook but hell he was there in the Sexcapade ordeal as well.

Bill Clinton come to mind??? Another one. Do I dare go there:rolleyes:

Frankie
06-30-2010, 09:52 AM
ROFLROFLROFL

Why the laughter? If you put away your "bias" glasses, can you tell yourself honestly that getting a man (with the weaknesses that I sited) drunk in a party is totally impossible? Put him behind the wheel with a drunk/drugged girl from the same party and push the car into a lake? He would have died under an explainable situation or survived with his political career in ruins. Either way one more Kennedy out of the picture. Ask yourself, "is that scenario totally undoable if someone wanted to arrange it?

Frankie
06-30-2010, 09:58 AM
You show your ignorance of ignoring the obvious and not to mention what you deem sociopathic. How about the William Kennedy Smith Rape Trial in which Teddy was critical in getting little William off the hook but hell he was there in the Sexcapade ordeal as well.

Proof please.

Bill Clinton come to mind??? Another one. Do I dare go there:rolleyes:

Trying to change the subject, hey?
.

Chiefshrink
06-30-2010, 09:59 AM
I provided a very plausible theory and a proof.

Plausible?????????????? That it's not Teddy's fault because his political enemies put his vices(booze and pussy) in front of him and it wasn't fair???

He DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE?????????????????

Spoken like a "TRUE LIB" NEVER ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY!!!

Frankie, your moral compass has gone HAYWIRE!!!!

Brock
06-30-2010, 10:05 AM
Why the laughter? If you put away your "bias" glasses, can you tell yourself honestly that getting a man (with the weaknesses that I sited) drunk in a party is totally impossible? Put him behind the wheel with a drunk/drugged girl from the same party and push the car into a lake? He would have died under an explainable situation or survived with his political career in ruins. Either way one more Kennedy out of the picture. Ask yourself, "is that scenario totally undoable if someone wanted to arrange it?

Is that more likely than "He was a a weak-minded drunk and turned out to be a coward when something bad happened"?

Frankie
06-30-2010, 10:11 AM
Is that more likely than "He was a a weak-minded drunk and turned out to be a coward when something bad happened"?

No. But it was the 60s. The decade of political assassinations. Ted by all accounts was having a difficult time coping with the murder of his two older brothers. And now we are hearing that he has been under countless death threats to the day he died. That said, my scenario is no less plausible than yours.

banyon
06-30-2010, 10:18 AM
I provided a very plausible theory and a proof. You are still providing your opinion.

The theory is very implausible. Possible, but not "very plausible". It's actually just an unsupported conspiracy hypothesis.

Brock
06-30-2010, 10:18 AM
No. But it was the 60s. The decade of political assassinations. Ted by all accounts was having a difficult time coping with the murder of his two older brothers. And now we are hearing that he has been under countless death threats to the day he died. That said, my scenario is no less plausible than yours.

It's much, much, much less plausible.

Frankie
06-30-2010, 10:41 AM
The theory is very implausible. Possible, but not "very plausible". It's actually just an unsupported conspiracy hypothesis.

It's much, much, much less plausible.

Why? It plays right to the idea that there was a force to eliminate the Kennedy bros from further chance at presidency. In the environment of the 60s if it was doable, then it should be considered plausible. And what I said was totally doable.

Brock
06-30-2010, 10:45 AM
Why? It plays right to the idea that there was a force to eliminate the Kennedy bros from further chance at presidency. In the environment of the 60s if it was doable, then it should be considered plausible. And what I said was totally doable.

Because you have to fabricate some shadowy conspiracy of which no trace exists in the real world. I don't think you understand the meaning of "plausible".

blaise
06-30-2010, 10:47 AM
Wow Frankie. You're loopy. I mean I realize you're a rah-rah democracts-are-super awesome guy, but give me a break. You're embarrassing yourself.

Baby Lee
06-30-2010, 10:58 AM
Wow Frankie. You're loopy. I mean I realize you're a rah-rah democracts-are-super awesome guy, but give me a break. You're embarrassing yourself.

I say bring him in for a tryout at WR, anyone who can pivot from;

'are you suggesting it couldn't possibly have happened, no? So it's de facto plausible.'
to
'proof please'

in consecutive posts, has to have some skills.

Radar Chief
06-30-2010, 11:01 AM
I say bring him in for a tryout at WR, anyone who can pivot from;

'are you suggesting it couldn't possibly have happened, no? So it's de facto plausible.'
to
'proof please'

in consecutive posts, has to have some skills.

Moves, sure. But hands? Eesh. Just look at his grip on reality.

Frankie
06-30-2010, 11:37 AM
Wow Frankie. You're loopy. I mean I realize you're a rah-rah democracts-are-super awesome guy, but give me a break. You're embarrassing yourself.

No. I chose to look at every possible scenario. Those who let their ideology get in the way of their fair judgment and analytical capabilities are the ones embarrassing themselves. Like you.

Iowanian
06-30-2010, 11:38 AM
Why the laughter?

Because you're a F'ing whackadoo. You're out of your damn mind.

vailpass
06-30-2010, 11:41 AM
No. I chose to look at every possible scenario. Those who let their ideology get in the way of their fair judgment and analytical capabilities are the ones embarrassing themselves. Like you.

ROFL

banyon
06-30-2010, 11:41 AM
Why? It plays right to the idea that there was a force to eliminate the Kennedy bros from further chance at presidency. In the environment of the 60s if it was doable, then it should be considered plausible. And what I said was totally doable.

Because there's no evidence for it. Not one sliver. That classifies it as rank speculation.

Frankie
06-30-2010, 11:42 AM
Moves, sure. But hands? Eesh. Just look at his grip on reality.

The reality is that many things are possible, and this theory while being just a theory is quite plausible, given the political events of the 60s. Seems to me you guys are the ones depriving yourselves of the said reality by closing your eyes and mind to something that just might disarm you from exercising your ideology and hate. Bottom line is Ted Kennedy left this world as quite the respected statesman.

Frankie
06-30-2010, 11:45 AM
I have said my piece. This thread is obviously for those who like to hate based on the wrong reasons. See you in other threads.

Iowanian
06-30-2010, 11:50 AM
Frankie would like to talk but he's off to campaign for David Duke.

mlyonsd
06-30-2010, 11:59 AM
I have said my piece. This thread is obviously for those who like to hate based on the wrong reasons. See you in other threads.

Come on Frankie you have to admit that was so far out there even the Kennedy's didn't think to use it.

Donger
06-30-2010, 12:18 PM
Why? It plays right to the idea that there was a force to eliminate the Kennedy bros from further chance at presidency. In the environment of the 60s if it was doable, then it should be considered plausible. And what I said was totally doable.

Wait. Are you suggesting that Teddy was run of the road, or something?

Duck Dog
06-30-2010, 01:00 PM
.

Really? So I suppose you forgave Bush his indiscretions too?ROFL

Duck Dog
06-30-2010, 01:02 PM
Wait. Are you suggesting that Teddy was run of the road, or something?

I think he's suggesting that Kennedy got drunk, ran his car into a river and left a woman to die to save himself and his career. Oh wait....that's what happened. I'm not sure what he is suggesting.

blaise
06-30-2010, 01:06 PM
I think he's suggesting that Kennedy got drunk, ran his car into a river and left a woman to die to save himself and his career. Oh wait....that's what happened. I'm not sure what he is suggesting.

A vast right wing conspiracy.

The Mad Crapper
06-30-2010, 01:49 PM
I have said my piece. This thread is obviously for those who like to hate based on the wrong reasons. See you in other threads.

ROFL

fan4ever
06-30-2010, 02:03 PM
Why the laughter? If you put away your "bias" glasses, can you tell yourself honestly that getting a man (with the weaknesses that I sited) drunk in a party is totally impossible? Put him behind the wheel with a drunk/drugged girl from the same party and push the car into a lake? He would have died under an explainable situation or survived with his political career in ruins. Either way one more Kennedy out of the picture. Ask yourself, "is that scenario totally undoable if someone wanted to arrange it?

Wow...

Hey, if you're willing to consider this as viable I sure hope you give a lot more slack to the birthers out there :rolleyes:

ClevelandBronco
06-30-2010, 03:05 PM
No. I chose to look at every possible scenario. Those who let their ideology get in the way of their fair judgment and analytical capabilities are the ones embarrassing themselves. Like you.

There's no reason to reach for an understanding. The man was an alcoholic. He fucked up and then acted just like an alcoholic acts when he's in trouble.

WV
06-30-2010, 04:16 PM
What is 'all the gray area' I'm having trouble with???? I just mentioned one and that was what you said about how all the pork helped WV while you claim to be on the right. Who is making conservatives look bad????

Pork, a gray area??? For a conservative??? Better not be! This 'IS' one of those 'absolutes' that are a staple that conservatives are against in 'principle' and have not lived up to in these last 2 decades I will admit and very disappointing.

If there is any aspect of my life that is difficult it surely is not "dealing with the gray area" of life in general. I deal with the "gray" everyday. What I do for a living is try to help people achieve that delicate balance of absolutes and relativity.

For "anal types" those who have let "all or none" thinking make their lives miserable, I help them embrace some 'healthy relativity' so that they might discover that not having a rule to follow at all times actually reduces their stress thus they discover a new hidden enjoyment by not feeling responsible for everything 24/7 if you get my drift.

For those "free spirit types" who don't want any accountability or structure because that might ruin their creativity and fantasy land they live in 24/7 to avoid 'real life';(Direckshun,ZACH,etc....:D) I try to help them embrace some "absolutes" so as to 'somewhat' reign them in(establish some order), in hopes to show them that some absolutes can relieve some of the chaos(stress) that they have caused themselves in order to deal with 'real life'.

Look WV, I realize you are new in this forum and many times my passion for certain things politically can come across very "Parcells like" and or "Pattonesque". I saw an "oxymoron" in your statement and needed clarification by asking a question, not calling you out. If you perceived it as calling you out I apologize. If I called you out you would definitely know it.

I didn't think you called me out it's all good.

And the gray area I was talking about is the fact that everything isn't always black and white. Byrd's political style aside, he did a lot of good for the state of WV and that cannot be denied. I don't have to agree with his methods or like him as a Senator, but it's narrow minded to ignore the simple fact that his brand of politics gained a whole lot for my home state. I can be a republican and a conservative yet maintain some sense of reality while considering Byrd's career as it pertains to my state. Is it selfish in a way sure, but I'd venture to say you'd feel the same if it were a Senator in your state. You don't have to like it, but I'm virtually certain you either drive on or benefit from pork barrel spending in your state daily.

Bill Parcells
06-30-2010, 05:04 PM
Frankie has left the thread with his tail between his legs again..lol.. he gets all discombobulated when confronted. and you have Perry Mason (banyon) grilling and humiliating him on his posts to boot!

ROFL

Bill Parcells
06-30-2010, 05:06 PM
I have said my piece. This thread is obviously for those who like to hate based on the wrong reasons. See you in other threads.

Please, stay out of as many threads as possible.

Calcountry
06-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Perhaps West Virginia Could Remember Byrd By Naming Something After Him
June 28, 2010 10:17 AM
By Jim Geraghty
How do you measure the legacy of the departed West Virginia senator? I look at this…

Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
Byrd Aerospace Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton Robert C. Byrd Federal Building
Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
Robert C. Byrd Freeway
Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope
Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd High school in Bridgeport
Robert C. Byrd Highway
Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County
Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center
Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam
Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center
Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award
Byrd Science Center, Shepherd University
Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park
… and think of one word: modesty.

UPDATE: I imagine some version of this conversation has occurred at some point:

“I thought you said we were meeting at the Robert C. Byrd Federal Building & U.S. Courthouse!”

“We are! But you’re at the one in Beckley, West Virginia, but I’m at the one in Charleston, West Virginia!“Hands holding the podium, tap tap tap tap tap, "That's WRRRRRRRRRONG, WRRRRRRRONG, WRRRRRRRRRONG, WRRRRRRONG, WWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRONG."

Calcountry
06-30-2010, 05:51 PM
The reality is that many things are possible, and this theory while being just a theory is quite plausible, given the political events of the 60s. Seems to me you guys are the ones depriving yourselves of the said reality by closing your eyes and mind to something that just might disarm you from exercising your ideology and hate. Bottom line is Ted Kennedy left this world as quite the respected statesman.Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life Frankie, unless you are a Senator, that is.

The Mad Crapper
07-01-2010, 06:45 AM
he did a lot of good for the state of WV

At the expense of everybody else.

It's called theft when anyone besides a politician does it, and it is considered a felony.

alnorth
07-01-2010, 08:29 AM
I've never understood this reverence some people have for Senators. I guess I can understand mourning a president... if they were active or if they were a 2-termer who accomplished a lot. (Kennedy, maybe Reagan, probably not Clinton or GW Bush)

Byrd was just a Senator. I also don't get the hate for some senators, he is what he is, a reliably partisan Democrat. There are going to be a lot of those. The people of WV probably have a lot to thank him for, but I really don't care. You can support or oppose a guy for election, but revering or hating an elected politician because their policy goals do not align with yours is something better left to political hacks who have too much spare time.

HonestChieffan
07-01-2010, 08:40 AM
At least he died before ObamaCare started.

notorious
07-01-2010, 08:45 AM
What Byrd did is the equivalent of forcefully stealing someone's (any of the 49 other states) property and giving them to another person (West Virginia).


I know that all of the other douches do it, but it doesn't make it right. It makes him another scumbag senator who actually helped corrupt the system to the point it is at today.

Chiefshrink
07-01-2010, 09:30 AM
I also don't get the hate for some senators, he is what he is, a reliably partisan Democrat. There are going to be a lot of those.

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Baby Lee
07-03-2010, 12:00 PM
Bubba sez it's OK, his only crime in 'being fleetingly associated' with the KKK was being a good ol' boy with ambition.

Cause power thirst is a mighty drug, right Billy?

Good thing Byrd 'didn't inhale'

And good thing none of Bubba's coterie has ever denigrated others for their associations in the course of seeking power.

Bill Parcells
07-03-2010, 12:30 PM
http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/byrd-kkk.jpg

Thank goodness hes being buried with full KKK honors in his grand wizard uniform.

kcfanXIII
07-03-2010, 12:44 PM
Insensitive, but hard not to appreciate. I've got to agree.

it has long been my policy that politicians are subhuman, that only a creature from the depths of hell could be arrogant, greedy, and despicable enough to lie, cheat, and steal from the American public, and at the same time, still be charismatic enough to get elected. it is because of this belief that i refuse to mourn the passing of any elected official. good riddance. let the jokes commence!

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 03:47 PM
Robert Byrd... still dead, right? Good.