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Sure-Oz
06-28-2010, 05:50 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/the-office-who-can-replace-steve-carell


'The Office': Who can replace Steve Carell?
By sepinwall
Monday, Jun 28, 2010

A couple of months back, Steve Carell briefly blew up the Internet when he told a BBC Radio reporter that he would leave "The Office" after his contract ended next season. Then everyone calmed down once we realized we'd have a year to wait, and that NBC would have a year to back several dump trucks full of money up to the Carell/Walls home to keep him.

But over the weekend, at the red carpet premiere of his new animated movie "Depiscable Me," Carell insisted that it's not about the money, that seven years is a long time to play any character, and that he wants to spend more time with his family. And while in Hollywood the default answer is always "It's about the money," Carell is one of the few actors in the business whom I might even slightly believe when he insists otherwise.

If he's leaving, he's not going to take "The Office" with him. It's NBC's only half-hour comedy that's an actual success on its own, and it's functioned as a life-support system for "30 Rock" for the last four years. During upfront week, NBC president Angela Bromstad suggested the show would continue with or without him.

Those of you who were unhappy with the creative direction of this season, and who therefore assume Carell's departure gives NBC a natural excuse to end the show, are just wasting your time. That's not the way the TV business works, except in rare cases like "Lost" (and there, ABC at least had other continuing hits like "Grey's Anatomy" and "Desperate Housewives" to allow them to give Darlton an end date).

So if we figure that Carell's really leaving, and that the show will go on without him, what does that mean for the creative future of the series? I have some thoughts, after the jump...

When the initial BBC interview went viral back in April, I suggested that "The Office" might actually be better off without Carell at this point. He's a great comedian, and he made that show into a hit, but Michael Scott had become such a schizophrenic, all-things-to-all-writers character that he was getting in the way of the comedy at least as much as he was enabling it. The writers created many different flavors of Michael, and while everyone has their favorite, and some people might even like multiple flavors, it's hard to imagine that everyone loved them all.

Beyond that, there's the sense of ennui that crippled the sixth season. Much of last season was spent introducing, and then almost immediately abandoning, promising story ideas: Michael becoming part of the corporate culture at Dunder Mifflin, or Michael and Jim swapping jobs, or the sales staff becoming tyrants under the new Sabre corporate culture. Removing Michael would not only shake up the character dynamics, but I imagine it would force the writers out of their recent complacency and force them to follow ideas through to their logical conclusions.

But while I see advantages to a hypothetical ideal replacement, I'm really struggling to figure out who that might be.

I doubt the show would choose Michael's replacement from within. Not only would it undoubtedly cause strife among the current cast if, say, John Krasinski got promoted above one-time equal Rainn Wilson, but it would deprive NBC of the opportunity to promote the show with a new face at the center of it. Also, we've seen enough of Jim-as-boss to know it's not that funny as a long-term thing, and Dwight is already so far out there that giving him absolute power within the branch might make him (and the show) unwatchable. Andy becoming the new branch manager would at least allow the show to continue as it is, since Andy is just as socially tin-eared as Michael, albeit in subtly different ways.

I hope they don't go that route, either with Andy (with all due respect to Ed Helms) or with an outside person. Someone in a "Party Down" post last week, for instance, suggested that it would be simple to slide Ken Marino into that job without having to change much. I love Marino and agree that he can do many of the things Carell does (and has done them as Ron on "Party Down"), but again we'd run into the problem of the same-old, same-old on a series that badly needs a shakeup. It needs a character who can make Jim and Pam comedically relevant again, who can pull Dwight in from the edge of insanity, who can give the series the sense of direction it hasn't had since the Michael Scott Paper Company went out of business, etc.

Who is that person? Well, I'd like it to be someone not like Michael, but at the same time we saw briefly with Charles Minor (who was useful as a plot device but not a great engine for comedy) that bringing in his exact opposite won't automatically work. The show, as conceived by Gervais and Merchant and then adapted by Daniels, Carell and company, is about people stuck working in a job they hate for a boss they can't stand. If you put someone competent in charge - be it Jim or a new character - I don't know that there's enough juice there, or that it's still "The Office." So you have to find someone who's aggravating and/or weird, but in a way that doesn't just duplicate Michael so the replacement is constantly being compared to Carell. And that's not easy.

(For an example, look at Megan Mullally on "Party Down" this year. They replaced Jane Lynch with another very funny actress, made her ignorant and strange but in a different fashion from Lynch's character, and she only occasionally clicked.)

I'm not sure what kind of character it should be, or what actor or actress. Mainly I've spent a lot of time pondering pre-existing characters. Would it make any sense at all to bring in Amy Ryan full-time if she didn't have Carell to play off of? Probably not. Would transferring Karen back from Utica to take things over be interesting enough, or did her comic usefulness to the show end when both she and Pam had babies?

(Speaking of actors from "Parks and Recreation," Fienberg suggested that Daniels and Mik Schur loan Nick Offerman to their sister show for a four-episode arc in which Ron Effing Swanson briefly goes into the private sector, is hired to clean up Dunder-Mifflin from Michael's usual messes, and then moves back to Pawnee. That would certainly be fun - I can picture Dwight having a man-crush on Ron that would make his previous Michael idolatry seem like complete ambivalence (and I could also see Ryan, and Kelly, and the account department all digging the guy) - but of course what sitcom on television would not be improved by the temporary addition of Ron Effing Swanson? What part of life would not be improved, for that matter?)

Do I think "The Office" should continue on without Carell? Probably not. But unless NBC has such a massive ratings turnaround this year that it can afford to part with "The Office" - and probably not even then - that ship has sailed. Given that, who do you want to see sitting behind Michael's old desk? Someone old? Someone new? What kind of person?

Buck
06-28-2010, 06:00 PM
Speaking of Party Down, I think that Adam Scott could pull it off if he played a dick like he did in Step Brothers.

Spicy McHaggis
06-28-2010, 06:40 PM
Enter Bob Odenkirk.

http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/14102/Bob-Odenkirk_jpg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg

HoneyBadger
06-28-2010, 11:27 PM
Time to end the show. Just give it up.

Huffmeister
06-29-2010, 07:56 AM
Time to end the show. Just give it up.

Should have done it a long time ago. I lost interest around season 4.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 08:47 AM
Two off-the-wall suggestions I heard on the internets yesterday were Michael Emerson and Portia di Rossi. Either would be kind of brilliant moves.

arrowheadnation
06-29-2010, 08:50 AM
I vote for Rob Riggle (a KC native) to take his place (even though he's a guest star on Gary Unmarried right now). For those that don't know him, he's the police officer from the Hangover and the PAU! guy from Stepbrothers.

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Brock
06-29-2010, 09:46 AM
The show has run its course. The only reason I still watch it is because it's on before 30 Rock.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 09:49 AM
The show has run its course. The only reason I still watch it is because it's on before 30 Rock.
Only reason I still watch it is because it comes on right after the best comedy on TV last year, Parks and Recreation (which itself comes on after the best new comedy of last year, Community).

Brock
06-29-2010, 09:51 AM
Only reason I still watch it is because it comes on right after the best comedy on TV last year, Parks and Recreation (which itself comes on after the best new comedy of last year, Community).

No.

Molitoth
06-29-2010, 09:57 AM
I'm not entertained by "The Office" anymore.... all of the characters have run stale.

My new show of love is "The Big Bang Theory".

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 10:10 AM
No.
What do you mean "no?"

Brock
06-29-2010, 10:14 AM
What do you mean "no?"

I mean "No, Community sucks, and Parks and Rec isn't the best comedy on TV last year or any year".

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 10:19 AM
I mean "No, Community sucks, and Parks and Rec isn't the best comedy on TV last year or any year".
You are an awful person who lacks the mental faculties required to assess television shows. I can accept people who don't care for Community because of its pop culture-heavy jokes (though those people ignore how natural the characters are). But you would be proven demonstrably stupid if you think that 30 Rock's series-worst fourth season was good enough to be in the same universe of quality as the second season of Parks and Recreation, let alone be better than it.

Brock
06-29-2010, 10:26 AM
You are an awful person who lacks the mental faculties required to assess television shows. I can accept people who don't care for Community because of its pop culture-heavy jokes (though those people ignore how natural the characters are). But you would be proven demonstrably stupid if you think that 30 Rock's series-worst fourth season was good enough to be in the same universe of quality as the second season of Parks and Recreation, let alone be better than it.

I'm assessing them quite well. Community won't be around much longer, and Parks and Rec is a very average television sitcom. There's only so far you can go with a show about a dumb blonde and jokes about her being a dumb blonde and the zany situations dumb blondes get into. It's really not any better than the played out Steve Carell character on The Office.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 10:30 AM
I'm assessing them quite well. Community won't be around much longer, and Parks and Rec is a very average television sitcom. There's only so far you can go with a show about a dumb blonde and jokes about her being a dumb blonde and the zany situations dumb blondes get into. It's really not any better than the played out Steve Carell character on The Office.
That description does not fit the show at all. At all. You didn't watch the second season, did you? I don't blame you; the first season was as poor as The Office's first season. But, like The Office, the show took an enormous leap in quality in its second season.

As for Community's quality being connected to how long it stays on air, well, that is a fallacious line of reasoning. 30 Rock wouldn't be on the air if it weren't for it airing right after The Office (a claim backed up by 30 Rock's dreadful ratings in the few times when it didn't have an Office lead-in).

Fritz88
06-29-2010, 10:33 AM
Without him and Andrew then the office is nothing. They need to find a solid replacement.

arrowheadnation
06-29-2010, 11:12 AM
They had a good story going with Angela being the office slore but then they just dropped it altogether.

CosmicPal
06-29-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm not entertained by "The Office" anymore.... all of the characters have run stale.

My new show of love is "The Big Bang Theory".

This.

The Office was one of the funniest shows for awhile, but it's become rather tedious and annoying. I just find myself yelling at Michael to stop being such an douchebag sometimes. At first, it was funny, now it's like you want to kidnap him and drive him to the nearest mental hospital and get rid of him for good. The show's been on too long- time to kill it.

The Big Bang Theory is funny and entertaining as hell. However, I'm wondering if I'll just get tired of that neurotic character pretty soon too.

Brainiac
06-29-2010, 11:29 AM
It sounds like it's time for Ted McGinley to join the cast.

CoMoChief
06-29-2010, 11:46 AM
They should hire Todd Packard.

I fucking love that guy (David koechner) I think his name is.

chiefsnorth
06-29-2010, 12:02 PM
I didn't know Parks and Rec was still on the air... I thought it was horrible.

Is it passing into the realm of unfunny shows the fans say detractors are too unsophisticated to appreciate?

For the Office, I felt the show wound up its productive run with the engagement. Nothing after was especially good, I thought.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 12:09 PM
This last season of The Office was by far the most tedious and uneven in the show's history. It was stop and go with more discomfort than laughs in between. Uncomfortable humor can be very funny and successful but it has to have perfect aim. The Office (as much as I hate to say it) was off the mark most of last season.

... HOWEVER. From the Christmas episode until the last two of the season, The Office was on fire. It was almost as good as it's ever been in that stretch. The show still has gas in the tank.

Do I think it should end with Carell? Yes. I do. But since it looks like that won't happen, I hope they make a smart move and do exactly as the article says. It's not about replacing Michael Scott with an impersonator or look/act-alike.

I'm not sure who the answer is... but I'll be damned if Michael Emerson wouldn't shake things up and rock the fuck outta that show. :) Of course, I'd rather he and O'Quinn get their hitman show together.

This is do-able, if unwise. It will be difficult. But NBC has a chance to reinvent the show and hit a grand slam here.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 12:52 PM
I didn't know Parks and Rec was still on the air... I thought it was horrible.

Is it passing into the realm of unfunny shows the fans say detractors are too unsophisticated to appreciate?

No. It is legitimately amazing now. Not only was season 2 of P&R unequivocally the best season of comedy last TV season, it was, IMO, the single best season of comedy since Arrested Development.

If you didn't watch Parks & Rec season 2 then watch it. Now. You don't need to have seen season one, you can just pick up with season two.

Sure-Oz
06-29-2010, 12:55 PM
Hopefully they end the show in style, and goes out well if it ends. if they replace michael i hope its solid and the stories get better

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:00 PM
No. It is legitimately amazing now. Not only was season 2 of P&R unequivocally the best season of comedy last TV season, it was, IMO, the single best season of comedy since Arrested Development.

I've never understood the love that Arrested Development gets.

Only seen one episode of P&R. Liked it. A lot.

BigMeatballDave
06-29-2010, 01:01 PM
No. It is legitimately amazing now. Not only was season 2 of P&R unequivocally the best season of comedy last TV season, it was, IMO, the single best season of comedy since Arrested Development.

If you didn't watch Parks & Rec season 2 then watch it. Now. You don't need to have seen season one, you can just pick up with season two.I've tried several times to get into this show, I just can't, not sure why. Something's missing. It just doesnt come across as a can't-miss comedy like The Office.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:01 PM
Do you think that - if the internet had been around - there would have been discussions like this when Diane left Cheers?

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 01:02 PM
I've never understood the love that Arrested Development gets.

Wow. I'm speechless at that one.

I've tried several times to get into this show, I just can't, not sure why. Something's missing. It just doesnt come across as a can't-miss comedy like The Office.
Because you are a rube.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:05 PM
Wow. I'm speechless at that one.

:)

Sorry, man. I thought you might be.

To be fair, I haven't made it through all of Season One yet. And there are funny bits and pieces, but I don't get the overall appeal. I don't know what I'm missing. It just seems so whiney and arrogent and worn... I don't know... perhaps this is best served in another thread...

BigMeatballDave
06-29-2010, 01:05 PM
You are an awful person who lacks the mental faculties required to assess television shows. I can accept people who don't care for Community because of its pop culture-heavy jokes (though those people ignore how natural the characters are). But you would be proven demonstrably stupid if you think that 30 Rock's series-worst fourth season was good enough to be in the same universe of quality as the second season of Parks and Recreation, let alone be better than it.Community and 30Rock are Ok. Not even close to The Office. Hell, I like Big Bang Theory better.

Huffmeister
06-29-2010, 01:06 PM
Do you think that - if the internet had been around - there would have been discussions like this when Diane left Cheers?

Lol, and people talking about how the last season of ALF was better than the season before, but that Diff'rent Strokes has really lost its burst since they brought in the little red-head kid.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 01:06 PM
Community and 30Rock are Ok. Not even close to The Office. Hell, I like Big Bang Theory better.
I hate human beings.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Community and 30Rock are Ok. Not even close to The Office. Hell, I like Big Bang Theory better.
30 Rock is really growing on me. It took a while to creep in, but it's a solid show. Some of the humor is a bit obvious and repetative. But when it hits, it gets bigger belly laughs from me than almot anything else out there.

I only saw Community once. It didn't really do much for me. Certainly didn't make me want to tune in again. But I didn't hate it.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Lol, and people talking about how the last season of ALF was better than the season before, but that Diff'rent Strokes has really lost its burst since they brought in the little red-head kid.

ROFL

BigMeatballDave
06-29-2010, 01:08 PM
Because you are a rube.:rolleyes:

BigMeatballDave
06-29-2010, 01:10 PM
I hate human beings.I hate douchebags with stupid usernames like Reaper...

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 01:10 PM
:)

Sorry, man. I thought you might be.

To be fair, I haven't made it through all of Season One yet. And there are funny bits and pieces, but I don't get the overall appeal. I don't know what I'm missing. It just seems so whiney and arrogent and worn... I don't know... perhaps this is best served in another thread...
This is best served in this thread, seeing as I have hijacked this thread and turned it into a thread about how I am better at watching TV than all of you. :D

Funny bits and pieces? WTF do you laugh at? No other comedy makes me laugh as much as AD. The tightness of the writing is unlike anything I've ever seen on another comedy. Nothing is introduced that won't become part of a joke later. The show builds upon its own mythology by doing callback jokes all over the place. All the comedies from the last half of the 2000's that I love are united in their ability to rip off Arrested Development over and over again. It is the show that all other comedies wish they were. I can't say a single bad thing about it.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 01:12 PM
I hate douchebags with stupid usernames like Reaper...
Good. You don't deserve to like me.

Saulbadguy
06-29-2010, 01:25 PM
Never watched Parks & Rec,I don't care for Amy Poehler (sp?). Watched Community once and didn't really care for it even though I like Joel McHale (sp?). Love the Office, but I find myself constantly watching seasons 2 and 3 re-runs, and only watching the episodes from the later seasons once.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 01:55 PM
This is best served in this thread, seeing as I have hijacked this thread and turned it into a thread about how I am better at watching TV than all of you. :D

Funny bits and pieces? WTF do you laugh at? No other comedy makes me laugh as much as AD. The tightness of the writing is unlike anything I've ever seen on another comedy. Nothing is introduced that won't become part of a joke later. The show builds upon its own mythology by doing callback jokes all over the place. All the comedies from the last half of the 2000's that I love are united in their ability to rip off Arrested Development over and over again. It is the show that all other comedies wish they were. I can't say a single bad thing about it.
:)

I don't know. Maybe it's just where I'm at in life, but I get tired of excessively rich people whining. I don't care if the joke's on them. It annoys the piss out of me and is rarely funny. I do love Bateman, though.

Also, I tend to love running jokes when they come from characters - like Michael Scott's "that's what she said" (though, to be fair the joy of that joke is how sparcely it's employed and the timing of when it is). But on the whole, I don't like running jokes as a device. I much prefer the manipluation of language.

Also, anytime someone runs into something. I can't help it. That's funny, funny shit. Best example: the dude in Ed Wood who can't get through the door and smacks right into the flat. He growls as you see the shitty set waver back and forth. Hilarious.

CosmicPal
06-29-2010, 01:56 PM
Do you think that - if the internet had been around - there would have been discussions like this when Diane left Cheers?

I've always wondered what the discussions would've been like for a show like WKRP in Cincinnati and how people would have canonized the show for the songs they played that night, or an argument between which chick was the hottest: Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlowe?

Too bad the phucking record companies can't get their rights together and get that series on DVD with the original music. That was a great show.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 02:02 PM
I've always wondered what the discussions would've been like for a show like WKRP in Cincinnati and how people would have canonized the show for the songs they played that night, or an argument between which chick was the hottest: Bailey Quarters or Jennifer Marlowe?

Too bad the phucking record companies can't get their rights together and get that series on DVD with the original music. That was a great show.
It was a bit before my time. But used to watch re-runs on Nic-at-Nite, and really enjoyed it. I'd love to see the series front to back one of these days.

DJ's left nut
06-29-2010, 02:10 PM
Two off-the-wall suggestions I heard on the internets yesterday were Michael Emerson and Portia di Rossi. Either would be kind of brilliant moves.

Only if Portia di Rossi plays the same character she played in Better Off Ted.

Veronica was one of the best characters around...stupid ABC. I have no idea why they cancelled that show.

Omaha
06-29-2010, 02:12 PM
Only if Portia di Rossi plays the same character she played in Better Off Ted.

Veronica was one of the best characters around...stupid ABC. I have no idea why they cancelled that show.


I'm with you. That show was hilarious.

HC_Chief
06-29-2010, 02:13 PM
The show has run its course. The only reason I still watch it is because it's on before 30 Rock.

This.
30 Rock is hilarious

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 02:16 PM
Only if Portia di Rossi plays the same character she played in Better Off Ted.
Ooooh. That could be really interesting. I kinda like that.

DJ's left nut
06-29-2010, 02:27 PM
It would definitely create a different dynamic, but still revolve around a boss that's pretty easy to hate.

That way the boss is far enough removed from Michael so as to not seem like an 'imposter' but still serves the purpose of the character (i.e. common enemy).

mlyonsd
06-29-2010, 02:31 PM
I agree the show has run it's course.

Big Bang is moving to Thursdays so I'll be watching that. Funniest show on tv.

CoMoChief
06-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Todd Packard:

"Hey Halpert......STILL QUEER?!?!"

ROFL

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 02:35 PM
:)

I don't know. Maybe it's just where I'm at in life, but I get tired of excessively rich people whining. I don't care if the joke's on them. It annoys the piss out of me and is rarely funny. I do love Bateman, though.

Those whining rich people are, all of them (except for maybe Michael and George Michael), depicted in an extremely brutal, disparaging light. We're supposed to laugh at how pathetic these people are; they are totally unsympathetic.

Only if Portia di Rossi plays the same character she played in Better Off Ted.

Exactly. A similar role would work great.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Those whining rich people are, all of them (except for maybe Michael and George Michael), depicted in an extremely brutal, disparaging light. We're supposed to laugh at how pathetic these people are; they are totally unsympathetic.
Totally. I get that. But it doesn't work for me. They're so abnoxious and unsympathetic and irritating that it doesn't make me want to unite against them - even in laughter - it just makes me say "who gives a shit" and change the channel.

But, obviously, I'm in the minority. Most everyone I know loves AD with a passion. But for my tastes, I think The Office, 30 Rock, It's Always Sunny In Philidelphia and Family Guy are all smarter/funnier shows. So far. I'll see if I can ever get around to finishing S1 and see how I feel.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 02:42 PM
It would definitely create a different dynamic, but still revolve around a boss that's pretty easy to hate.

That way the boss is far enough removed from Michael so as to not seem like an 'imposter' but still serves the purpose of the character (i.e. common enemy).
Bingo.

Reaper16
06-29-2010, 02:48 PM
Totally. I get that. But it doesn't work for me. They're so abnoxious and unsympathetic and irritating that it doesn't make me want to unite against them - even in laughter - it just makes me say "who gives a shit" and change the channel.

But, obviously, I'm in the minority. Most everyone I know loves AD with a passion. But for my tastes, I think The Office, 30 Rock, It's Always Sunny In Philidelphia and Family Guy are all smarter/funnier shows. So far. I'll see if I can ever get around to finishing S1 and see how I feel.
I'm growing sadder each time you post. :( Seriously, if Spain hadn't just won against Portugal I might have put you on ignore out of an emotional reaction to today's CP Worst Statement of the Day: that Family Guy is smarter/funnier than Arrested Development.

Red Brooklyn
06-29-2010, 02:48 PM
I'm growing sadder each time you post. :(

:cuss:

Red Brooklyn
06-30-2010, 11:28 AM
Maybe this is just stupid... but.... now, just think about it for a minute, okay... don't just dismiss this outright, okay... but... what if Ricky Gervais steps in to replace Michael Scott?

Baby Lee
06-30-2010, 03:00 PM
Totally. I get that. But it doesn't work for me. They're so abnoxious and unsympathetic and irritating that it doesn't make me want to unite against them - even in laughter - it just makes me say "who gives a shit" and change the channel.

But, obviously, I'm in the minority. Most everyone I know loves AD with a passion. But for my tastes, I think The Office, 30 Rock, It's Always Sunny In Philidelphia and Family Guy are all smarter/funnier shows. So far. I'll see if I can ever get around to finishing S1 and see how I feel.

Then just enjoy it for the scripted visual and sementical puns.

The two Sunday Brunches on the Show are Skip Church's and Miss Temple's.

Or the time GOB bought a boat with company money and names it The Seaward. Michael scolds him and tells him he has to sell it as the company needs that money. Conversation ends with Michael yelling 'get rid of The Seaward,' only to reveal Mother standing behind them . . "I'm standing right here Michael" ROFL ROFL

The appeal of AD is that it just goes for the funny, and goes at it from every angle. Stupid puns, visuals, voiceovers [the sublime episode where Opie Cunningham keeps railing about how a competing show's voiceover guy is a hack], long form gags, recurring gags, gags that refer to real life [the juxtaposing of Theron's lovable character with a still of her role in Monster], gags that don't show themselves until repeated viewing [in the scene immediately prior to Buster losing his arm to a seal, he's sitting on a park bench advertising Army Officer Training, only Busters sitting just so that the bench reads 'Arm Off']

To this day, I can't think of the whole baseball/sex analogy without thinking of what George Jr. and Maebe did and the quick cutaway of Pete Rose sliding into third and giggling.

irishjayhawk
06-30-2010, 08:27 PM
:)

Sorry, man. I thought you might be.

To be fair, I haven't made it through all of Season One yet. And there are funny bits and pieces, but I don't get the overall appeal. I don't know what I'm missing. It just seems so whiney and arrogent and worn... I don't know... perhaps this is best served in another thread...

COME ON! /GOB

doomy3
06-30-2010, 09:09 PM
Only reason I still watch it is because it comes on right after the best comedy on TV last year, Parks and Recreation (which itself comes on after the best new comedy of last year, Community).

Rep.

Fucking LOVE Parks and Rec.

I do disagree about the first part of your post though, as I still love The Office as well.

Rudy lost the toss
06-30-2010, 11:42 PM
The Big Bang Theory is awful television

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 09:31 AM
COME ON! /GOB

:)

Fine. I'll give it another shot.

Baby Lee
07-01-2010, 10:09 AM
:)

Fine. I'll give it another shot.

Like I said, don't try to get emotionally involved, or connect with the characters. Just let the jokes and gags follow over you. Eventually it will win you over through sheer funny density.

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 11:00 AM
Maybe my expectations were too high to begin with. Now that they're starting at a more reasonable level - coupled with your advice Baby Lee, and your disappointment in me, Reaper - perhaps I'll have a much more enjoyable experience.

irishjayhawk
07-01-2010, 11:51 AM
The Big Bang Theory is awful television

Blasphemy.

Reaper16
07-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Blasphemy.
It doesn't sound blasphemic to me.

Huffmeister
07-01-2010, 01:25 PM
I've heard good things about Big Bang Theory, but I just can't bring myself to watch anything that was "recorded in front of a live studio audience." Laugh-tracks have made me want to rip off my ears and use them to gouge out my eyes since they started using them in the old Scooby Doo cartoons.

Demonpenz
07-01-2010, 03:22 PM
michael would have been fired in the first episode if it was real life. I still watch the office, but good get him the fuck out. No office would put up with that shit.

irishjayhawk
07-02-2010, 11:33 PM
It doesn't sound blasphemic to me.

Die in a fire if you don't find it funny.

I've heard good things about Big Bang Theory, but I just can't bring myself to watch anything that was "recorded in front of a live studio audience." Laugh-tracks have made me want to rip off my ears and use them to gouge out my eyes since they started using them in the old Scooby Doo cartoons.

They aren't. One of their slides after the show explicitly explains this. They record the episode and then dub a laugh track specific to each episode by screening the episode to some fans. All of them are different.


That said, I agree re laugh tracks.

tk13
07-02-2010, 11:47 PM
I thought there was a stretch of 4-5 episodes late in the season where The Office had a real good streak. But I don't think they were ever going to match seasons 2-3... those were two of the best seasons by a comedy, ever. Theoretically you could replace Carrell... but it'd be like replacing Sam on Cheers... just hard to imagine.

I haven't hardly watched enough of Parks and Rec... I've tried catching on to the end of this season of Community. I think it's hit and miss. But when it hits it's pretty good. Although I think they got carried away in the finale.

Guru
07-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Why can't this show just die a in a fire?

Red Brooklyn
07-04-2010, 09:31 AM
Why can't this show just die a in a fire?
It tried.

Dwight set the fire.

Stanley had a heart attack.

It was a whole mess.

Baby Lee
07-04-2010, 09:38 AM
It's occasionally stupid [Michael using GPS to drive into a lake], occasionally brilliant [Stanley's pushups], but mostly by now, it's just a bunch of people it's fun to hang out with for 1/2 hour a week. Doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, just give us the characters, and a couple chuckles.

Baby Lee
07-04-2010, 09:39 AM
It tried.

Dwight set the fire.

Stanley had a heart attack.

It was a whole mess.

RB, if you would weigh in when appropriate if watching AD with adjusted expectations helped I'd appreciate it.

No hurry, no worries. :thumb:

BigMeatballDave
07-05-2010, 02:43 AM
Why can't this show just die a in a fire?Blasphemy! For that remark, you shall die in a fire...:)

Buck
07-05-2010, 04:02 AM
This is best served in this thread, seeing as I have hijacked this thread and turned it into a thread about how I am better at watching TV than all of you. :D

Funny bits and pieces? WTF do you laugh at? No other comedy makes me laugh as much as AD. The tightness of the writing is unlike anything I've ever seen on another comedy. Nothing is introduced that won't become part of a joke later. The show builds upon its own mythology by doing callback jokes all over the place. All the comedies from the last half of the 2000's that I love are united in their ability to rip off Arrested Development over and over again. It is the show that all other comedies wish they were. I can't say a single bad thing about it.

And thats why you never should put trust in Fox.

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Short Leash Hootie
07-05-2010, 05:56 AM
Arrested Development was an amazing show.

30 Rock was good for two seasons.

The Office was good for four seasons.

Now I don't watch 30 Rock anymore and only watch The Office because I have nothing better to do.

Lets see...

Always Sunny is THE BEST show on TV right now...but last season of that was pretty disappointing, too. Still less disappointing than The Office and 30 Rock.

Red Brooklyn
07-05-2010, 11:45 AM
It's occasionally stupid [Michael using GPS to drive into a lake], occasionally brilliant [Stanley's pushups], but mostly by now, it's just a bunch of people it's fun to hang out with for 1/2 hour a week. Doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, just give us the characters, and a couple chuckles.
Excellent post, BL.
RB, if you would weigh in when appropriate if watching AD with adjusted expectations helped I'd appreciate it.

No hurry, no worries. :thumb:
Yeah. I'll keep you posted once I get started.

DaFace
09-22-2011, 08:39 PM
Well, it was just one episode, but that was pretty funny. Especially Dwight taking a fire extinguisher to people planking.

Red Brooklyn
09-22-2011, 09:02 PM
Well, it was just one episode, but that was pretty funny. Especially Dwight taking a fire extinguisher to people planking.
Yeah. I really liked it. Missed Michael to a degree but the chemistry was fine w/o him. Pretty funny episode all things considered. And it wore it's heart on it's sleeve. Which I, personally, love.

Reaper16
09-22-2011, 10:46 PM
James Spader > God

Red Brooklyn
09-23-2011, 06:37 AM
James Spader > God
Truest thing on the whole internet today.

Captain Obvious
09-23-2011, 07:52 AM
James Spader > God

I was concerned that this character would restrain him. It did not. Alan Shore (Boston Legal) is still one of my all-time favorite TV characters.

kc rush
09-23-2011, 08:18 AM
I wasn't overly impressed. I do think Spader can add a lot to the show though. I think the interaction between Andy and Dwight has the potential to be good/funny. They need a little less Jim/Pam to really get back on track.

RockChalk
09-23-2011, 01:30 PM
I wasn't overly impressed. I do think Spader can add a lot to the show though. I think the interaction between Andy and Dwight has the potential to be good/funny. They need a little less Jim/Pam to really get back on track.

Spot on.

Also definitely agree with Spader > God

Predarat
09-23-2011, 01:33 PM
I thought it was good, it will be interesting to see if the NardDog can keep his position with his anger management problem. He looked like he was about to lose it a few times last season.

thurman merman
09-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Surprisingly funny season premiere. I wasn't expecting much.

Predarat
09-25-2011, 01:14 AM
Robert Fucking California > X10000 ron fucking mexico

Thig Lyfe
09-25-2011, 12:58 PM
I thought the premiere was pretty fucking meh. I recently re-watched seasons 2 and 3, and the drop-off in quality between then and now is just painful.

-King-
09-26-2011, 12:05 AM
I wasn't overly impressed. I do think Spader can add a lot to the show though. I think the interaction between Andy and Dwight has the potential to be good/funny. They need a little less Jim/Pam to really get back on track.

Eh... Jim is consistently the funniest person on the show. The interactions between him and Dwight are the best.

CoMoChief
09-26-2011, 04:51 AM
Eh... Jim is consistently the funniest person on the show. The interactions between him and Dwight are the best.

No he's not and not by a long shot.

Kevin Malone
Dwight Schrute
Creed

All funnier than Jim halpert. But yes Dwight and Jim feuds are funny...but this show has gone away from that for some time now. This show has really lost its edge fwiw.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:12 PM
Carrell leaving could actually be good for the show.

"Michael-heavy" episodes tend to suck and last season was just so mediocre that they clearly needed a major shakeup.

I don't like Andy as the manager, though. I can only handle him in small doses.

I think they needed some new blood there.

Setsuna
09-26-2011, 10:39 PM
It wasn't that bad. The thing about California talking Jo out of her own job was genius.

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2011, 01:07 AM
Carrell leaving could actually be good for the show.

"Michael-heavy" episodes tend to suck and last season was just so mediocre that they clearly needed a major shakeup.

I don't like Andy as the manager, though. I can only handle him in small doses.

I think they needed some new blood there.

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed when they revealed that.

chiefzilla1501
10-01-2011, 05:18 AM
Carrell leaving could actually be good for the show.

"Michael-heavy" episodes tend to suck and last season was just so mediocre that they clearly needed a major shakeup.

I don't like Andy as the manager, though. I can only handle him in small doses.

I think they needed some new blood there.

I've always hated Andy because he reminds me too much of a completely unlikeable D-bag I know.

That being said... I don't know. I'm kind of pleasantly surprised. I really like the new direction of the show. It's kind of amazing the way a TV show can erase your previous memories of a character and form a completely new one. I think Andy's new character is endearing. As a businessperson myself, I kind of like the new direction of a complete badass like Robert California and a young mentee like Andy Bernard.

Given that most of last season of The Office, in my opinion, became a little bit of a trainwreck, I'm actually pretty excited about a complete change in direction.

keg in kc
10-01-2011, 08:39 AM
I was skeptical about Andy as boss, too, but I liked Thursday's episode a lot. The bit at the end about underachievers inspiring the unexceptional, or whatever it was he said, was freaking hilarious. And during the title sequence, when he moves the statue on his desk and it ends up on the floor. Perfect.

The Bad Guy
10-01-2011, 04:03 PM
I've been a huge fan of how the've transitioned away from Carrell.

The Bad Guy
10-01-2011, 04:05 PM
Eh... Jim is consistently the funniest person on the show. The interactions between him and Dwight are the best.

Jim's humor has grown old on me.

I think Darrell has been really funny this year. Creed is my favorite though.

-King-
10-01-2011, 05:26 PM
Jim's humor has grown old on me.

I think Darrell has been really funny this year. Creed is my favorite though.

/creed ?

By the way, anyone know how come they didn't finish the storyline about the printers catching on fire?
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BigMeatballDave
10-01-2011, 06:40 PM
I think Kristen Wiig would be a great addition to the show as manager.

Thig Lyfe
10-02-2011, 12:14 AM
Liked the second episode of the season way more. I hate it when The Office tries to be topical, so that planking cold open annoyed the shit out of me. But this episode had some of the pathos that the new, too-self-aware Office lacks a lot of the time.

Spader's great, and I think he provides a good foil to a desperate-for-approval guy like Andy.

They've had some minor slip-ups, I think, where they have Andy do things that don't really fit his character as well as they would have fit Michael. Like the inadvertently racist stuff in the second episode -- that's 100% Michael. And sometimes it feels like Ed Helms is doing a Steve Carell impression. But I think they're working toward giving him more distinct neuroses that fit the Michael Scott mold but that are uniquely Andy.

I think Kristen Wiig would be a great addition to the show as manager.

That would have been a great move. Alas.

-King-
10-02-2011, 02:57 AM
The part that most reminded me of Michael was Andy sitting on Jim's desk. That it's more suited for michaels character rather than Andy's.
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Captain Obvious
10-02-2011, 07:36 PM
It makes sense for Andy to do some of the things that Michael would do. He's been his reference point for a boss.

DJ's left nut
10-03-2011, 09:12 AM
It makes sense for Andy to do some of the things that Michael would do. He's been his reference point for a boss.

Yup - I think that's a pretty fair allowance for the writers. He took the job out of Cornell, yes? So Michael is his only real example of a boss in his professional career.

The last episode was much better. And I think the show can excel as long as Spader's in it to provide just enough of that 'cool guy grim reaper' character that can offset Andy a little.

I really wish they wouldn't have knocked up Pam and Angela, though. Pregnancy storylines absolutely suck dicks.

Predarat
10-03-2011, 11:26 AM
The Office is OK, and has been OK the past few seasons. Parks and Rec is kicking its ass right now.

DJ's left nut
10-03-2011, 11:37 AM
The Office is OK, and has been OK the past few seasons. Parks and Rec is kicking its ass right now.

If you think last season the Office was OK, this season would have to get 'good', IMO.

I think this season has been OK thus far (maybe a little better than that; maybe not as funny, but some legitimately great moments).

Last season was trash. Pure, unadulterated, trash.

Demonpenz
10-03-2011, 03:16 PM
they should have jason sudekas do an ed helms impersonation

Jawshco
10-21-2011, 07:20 PM
they should have jason sudekas do an ed helms impersonation

That's funny. I've actually mistaken Sudekas for Helms a couple of times. They do look similar. Of course, I've lost my glasses again so a lot of celebs look a like to me. I used to think John Cryer was Mathew Brodrick and Tom Cruise was Charlie Sheen.

Jawshco
10-21-2011, 07:21 PM
Doctor Who's Cathy Tate is coming back to the office! This is great news.

http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/office-catherine-tate/

BigMeatballDave
10-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Very good episode this week.

-King-
11-03-2011, 07:21 PM
Very good episode this week.


Wow. I thought it was terrible.




The episode this week though is pretty good so far. It has the same feel as older episodes.

Setsuna
11-03-2011, 10:38 PM
The only thing king likes is CoD. That ought to tell you enough. I liked it. Dwight was a little annoying but it worked.

keg in kc
11-04-2011, 06:45 AM
I loved last night's episode until the last couple of minutes. Just felt like if fell completely flat to me.

Great Expectations
11-04-2011, 11:15 AM
I haven't watched last night, but the Garden Party and Halloween are complete and utter fail when compared to what this show offered in the first 4 years.

OmahaChief
11-04-2011, 12:38 PM
I haven't watched last night, but the Garden Party and Halloween are complete and utter fail when compared to what this show offered in the first 4 years.

I disagree. The Garden Party episode was a classic. The Halloween one was weak though.

Baby Lee
11-04-2011, 06:56 PM
I loved last night's episode until the last couple of minutes. Just felt like if fell completely flat to me.

Yeah, I was convinced that Dwight had never even implemented the 'doomsday device,' and had just said he did to teach some lesson. To turn it into some Dwight/Office bonding lesson was disappointing.

Gabe's physicality when trying to 'get his mack on' in the warehouse was some sublime stuff, though.

On a relevant tangent, I missed the first season of 'Sunny' and was inspired to revisit it when Howerton was on Pollack's Chat Show this week. He cited the British Office as a strong influence. This rang soooooo true in 'The Gang Gets Racist' [S01E02] when Mac tried to 'hang with the black dominoes players on university campus. The entire scene could have been lifted from Gervais' Office. Total cringe humor.

Sure-Oz
11-05-2011, 09:00 AM
Office hasnt' been bad, but damn you Carrell

lcarus
11-05-2011, 01:01 PM
I've been pretty underwhelmed by this season. It really hasn't been the same since season 4 or 5, but without Carell, it's REALLY lost it's mojo.

DJ's left nut
11-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Disagree, its better without carell now. Obviously not as good as the first four seasons, but Michael Scott had run his course and was just grating anymore. I like this season significantly more then the previous two.

lcarus
11-05-2011, 02:24 PM
Disagree, its better without carell now. Obviously not as good as the first four seasons, but Michael Scott had run his course and was just grating anymore. I like this season significantly more then the previous two.

Well Michael Scott had run his course. Which is why they should have ended the show. It sucks now, and has for some time.

Sure-Oz
11-05-2011, 02:43 PM
I still think most the characters aren't bad but where do you go with it?

RockChalk
11-11-2011, 12:10 PM
Pretty decent episodes back to back

keg in kc
11-11-2011, 01:21 PM
They're doing a better job of finding that really uncomfortable situational humor than they had in recent years, more reminiscent of british style comedy. The thing with Jim's scrotch had me cracking up for some reason. Although the saccharine of the Jim and Pam relationship is still putting me to sleep half the time. Nice to see a little tension introduced.

Sure-Oz
11-11-2011, 04:04 PM
Jim and Pam are definetly boring now but that last episode was funny

Baby Lee
11-11-2011, 06:19 PM
No one noted the appearance of THIS GUY??

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rico
11-11-2011, 06:25 PM
They keep making references to the Scranton Strangler... and after Toby's speech at Michael's Last Dundies, they made it obvious that he could still be at large. Anyone think it could be Gabe or California? Or would that be too dark?

Setsuna
11-12-2011, 12:12 AM
They keep making references to the Scranton Strangler... and after Toby's speech at Michael's Last Dundies, they made it obvious that he could still be at large. Anyone think it could be Gabe or California? Or would that be too dark?

Wow....doubt it. Gabe and California didn't even live there. But that'd be awesome.

rico
11-12-2011, 10:05 PM
I like the "creepy" direction they are taking with Gabe.

DaFace
12-01-2011, 09:37 PM
That episode was bizarre. It was much more "uncomfortable" than "funny" to me.

KcMizzou
12-01-2011, 09:52 PM
That episode was bizarre. It was much more "uncomfortable" than "funny" to me.Is there a more miserable SOB on TV than Andy? At this point, they're just torturing the dude.

Jawshco
12-01-2011, 10:16 PM
Gabe is the obvious choice given his odd passive aggressive, cross dressing, gore loving ways. But Creed also could be the Strangler -he's said some creepy things. Or Meredith could be strangling meat selling dudes in a drunken stupor. Ha!

I like the Andy torture. That does make me laugh, but the Forest Gump direction they're taking Kelly Erin's character is awful. It was funny at first, but now she's boring. We have enough of that with Kevin and Kelly Kapur.

BigMeatballDave
12-02-2011, 04:39 AM
That was hilarious

Setsuna
12-03-2011, 11:07 PM
This week's episdoe dave? Yes it was. Jim was panicking. That was gold right there. And Pam on maternity leave. Thank the stars.

keg in kc
12-09-2011, 05:28 AM
In honor of Kevin Jaye Malone, I'm having maple and brown sugar mixed with apples and cinnamon this morning.

(really!)

Baby Lee
12-09-2011, 09:18 AM
In honor of Kevin Jaye Malone, I'm having maple and brown sugar mixed with apples and cinnamon this morning.

(really!)

Whole Milk?

keg in kc
12-09-2011, 09:47 AM
Unfortunately no. Just water.

CoMoChief
12-09-2011, 09:54 AM
I air guitared to Trans-Siberian orchestra last night.

Brock
12-09-2011, 03:22 PM
This show is so much better now.

Setsuna
12-09-2011, 05:12 PM
I agree. Erin (Kelly) has got some nice tatas on her. Bet she likes it rough, or she will if I got a hold of her. Hehe.

Jawshco
12-10-2011, 11:58 PM
Okay, was starting to dislike her, but the (Kelly) Erin bit with the booze was pretty funny. She played a great drunk. I've been to a party with a female co-worker that was pretty much exactly like that once. So, that definitely had me chuckling. Even Stanley was pretty funny in that episode.

IDK... I was skeptical about Andy and Spader, but this season is already better than the last couple seasons of the show. They've found a new creative spark for sure. It doesn't hold a candle to the first 3 seasons, but it's not bad.

DaFace
12-11-2011, 12:01 AM
Okay, was starting to dislike her, but the (Kelly) Erin bit with the booze was pretty funny. She played a great drunk. I've been to a party with a female co-worker that was pretty much exactly like that once. So, that definitely had me chuckling. Even Stanley was pretty funny in that episode.

IDK... I was skeptical about Andy and Spader, but this season is already better than the last couple seasons of the show. They've found a new creative spark for sure. It doesn't hold a candle to the first 3 seasons, but it's not bad.

I tend to agree. They're still a little hit or miss this season, but this episode was great. I still think the show's on a major decline, but they may be able to hold it together for another season or two.

RockChalk
01-25-2012, 10:41 AM
Last week's episode was the best one of the season IMO

whoman69
01-26-2012, 01:46 PM
Spinoff

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/nbc-developing-office-spinoff-centered-rainn-wilson-dwight-2013-report-article-1.1012214?localLinksEnabled=false

DJ's left nut
01-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Spinoff

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/nbc-developing-office-spinoff-centered-rainn-wilson-dwight-2013-report-article-1.1012214?localLinksEnabled=false

Good lord. I can only think of the 'Dead Butters' episode of South Park when the crazy farmer was trying to talk Butters parents out of burying his 'corpse' at the haunted cemetery:

"Sometimes...dead is better"

Jawshco
02-19-2012, 07:43 PM
I no longer think The Office is on decline! This show is seriously funny again. The past two weeks have been funnier than anything in the last two seasons, and that opener might be the funniest one to date! I've watched it three times already- freaking hilarious episode! The appendicitis/poison thing had me tears when Dwight was pulling down that screen, and then his phone call to his "son." Ah, man... Love it.

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I'm almost sad that this is the last season and they're doing Dwight's "The One to Beet" (or whatever it will be called) spin off show in 2013. I'm really in enjoying this show again.

arrowheadnation
02-19-2012, 09:33 PM
Dwight Schrute, meet Joey Tribbiani. Joey's advice....don't do it Dwight.

BigMeatballDave
02-19-2012, 11:03 PM
I no longer think The Office is on decline! This show is seriously funny again. The past two weeks have been funnier than anything in the last two seasons, and that opener might be the funniest one to date! I've watched it three times already- freaking hilarious episode! The appendicitis/poison thing had me tears when Dwight was pulling down that screen, and then his phone call to his "son." Ah, man... Love it.

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I'm almost sad that this is the last season and they're doing Dwight's "The One to Beet" (or whatever it will be called) spin off show in 2013. I'm really in enjoying this show again.

So, its just Dwight's last season and not the show, correct?

That's what I'm reading about it. It would be tough to replace Rainn Wilson.

Brock
02-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Dwight Schrute, meet Joey Tribbiani. Joey's advice....don't do it Dwight.

The difference being Dwight Schrute is funny and interesting.

Rain Man
02-20-2012, 10:29 AM
The Office would take a big hit if Dwight left, but they seem to be good at introducing interesting new characters. Robert California is way more interesting to me than Michael Scott was, for example. Nonetheless, Dwight is in my opinion the most interesting character and is a great glue for the other characters to build around. I hope he doesn't leave, and it's hard to see what he'd gain by leaving. He's already the star of the show.

Predarat
02-20-2012, 10:44 AM
Ohh nooo please not Dwight. To me he is the glue that holds the show together.

Bump
02-20-2012, 11:09 AM
I thought the show was pretty bad without Carrell, maybe I'll start watching again.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 12:14 PM
I think it's been a lot more entertaining without Carrell. Took some time to get used to, but it's been a nice change.

Bump
02-21-2012, 12:14 AM
I think it's been a lot more entertaining without Carrell. Took some time to get used to, but it's been a nice change.

nah, Carrell is classic in his role.

keg in kc
02-21-2012, 07:17 AM
nah, Carrell is classic in his role.He was up until 3 or 4 years ago. The character (and the show) grew stale after that point. The show now is better than the show was last year. That's all I'm saying.

blaise
02-21-2012, 08:36 AM
That last episode was pretty funny. I also like the Zim Zam Yo Yo guy that they cast as the warehouse employee.

Jawshco
02-21-2012, 10:05 AM
I remember hearing something about certain members of the Office cast not re-signing on for next year. I think the Dwight spinoff was planned as an alternative to the Office if the show couldn't be continued. You're right Rainn is already the top billing on the show which is a proven success. Leaving the show prior to cancellation to play the same character on a show that's an unknown commodity would not make sense.

I agree a about Carrell. He made the show great during the first few seasons, (that's what she said! ) but got a bit stale after he split with Jan. There were still funny moments, but the main comedy spark was gone. This season is absolutely funnier than the previous two, but is still far more uneven when compared to the first few seasons.

Predarat
02-28-2012, 01:55 PM
Now it looks like Robert California is gone too.

http://news.yahoo.com/james-spader-leaving-nbcs-office-035952817.html

lcarus
02-28-2012, 02:10 PM
Now it looks like Robert California is gone too.

http://news.yahoo.com/james-spader-leaving-nbcs-office-035952817.html

I never thought he was that great on the show, but I'd say now is a great time to end it with what little dignity it has left. It had a great run.

Molitoth
02-28-2012, 03:32 PM
Just end it, sheesh.

RockChalk
02-28-2012, 04:46 PM
I never thought he was that great on the show, but I'd say now is a great time to end it with what little dignity it has left. It had a great run.

I've found the last couple of episodes to be hilarious. Neither of them had anything to do with Robert California

FTR, I've enjoyed his character this year. But I'm a pretty big James Spader fan

BigMeatballDave
02-28-2012, 08:41 PM
Just end it, sheesh.

Eat shit

lcarus
02-29-2012, 12:03 PM
I've found the last couple of episodes to be hilarious. Neither of them had anything to do with Robert California

FTR, I've enjoyed his character this year. But I'm a pretty big James Spader fan

Yeah the episode where they first arrived in Florida was pretty good. "Did I say Messina?" lol.

Overall though, the show should probably end soon. It's nowhere near the quality of the first few seasons. The only episode that I really really found hilarious post-Carell was the hour long Christmas episode when Jim and Dwight had the snowball war. That was post-Carell wasn't it?

blaise
02-29-2012, 12:12 PM
"Is this March Madness? I love March Madness!"

Virtua Chief
02-29-2012, 12:16 PM
Yeah the episode where they first arrived in Florida was pretty good. "Did I say Messina?" lol.

Overall though, the show should probably end soon. It's nowhere near the quality of the first few seasons. The only episode that I really really found hilarious post-Carell was the hour long Christmas episode when Jim and Dwight had the snowball war. That was post-Carell wasn't it?

That was "Classy Christmas" featuring Michael Scott as Santa Bond.

SuperChief
02-29-2012, 04:00 PM
That was "Classy Christmas" featuring Michael Scott as Santa Bond.

When Holly came back. Classic stuff, there.

Sure-Oz
02-29-2012, 07:00 PM
Last few episodes have been pretty good but where else can you take the show? The main characters are hitched pretty much or gone

lcarus
03-01-2012, 09:44 AM
"Is this March Madness? I love March Madness!"

No that's uh...in March. rofl

Thig Lyfe
03-01-2012, 09:52 AM
The show's still good for a few laughs per episode, but overall, it's gotten really, really bad. I'm watching purely out of loyalty at this point. Okay, and maybe morbid curiosity.

BigMeatballDave
03-02-2012, 03:01 AM
Very good episode last night.

CoMoChief
03-02-2012, 04:27 AM
Show has really died down since Carrell left. I'm not so big on the rise of Andy Bernard personally. Kinda liked it when he was crazy in the earlier seasons. Here are ways to at least make it a little more funny...

Need more nonchalant type dark comedy from Creed.

Need more drunken Meredith (hilarious in a gross way).

Less Darryl please, I just don't like his character.

Less Toby. Toby is just a horrible now. I know it's his character in the show is supposed to be like that, but he might be the worst character on all of TV, but again that's why Michael Scott hated him on the show and I realize it's all part of the act. It's just old now that Michael Scott has left.

More of Ryan shitting on Kelly....that dude's hilarious.

More Todd Packer. One thing great about these past few episodes is that he's been a big part in many of them. I like how he still "queers" on Jim Halpert. LOL

I hope Pam gets hot again. I would love to see her and Angela scissor each other in real life.

lcarus
03-02-2012, 10:25 AM
The biggest problem with the show now is Erin. She's not funny. At all.

blaise
03-02-2012, 10:34 AM
The biggest problem with the show now is Erin. She's not funny. At all.

Really? I like most of her scenes. Gabe makes me laugh, too.

CoMoChief
03-02-2012, 12:47 PM
The biggest problem with the show now is Erin. She's not funny. At all.

She's cute though....in a show where their hottest star got chunky.

Angela can clean up well, and she's hot when not playing her character on the office.

SuperChief
03-02-2012, 03:20 PM
She's cute though....in a show where their hottest star got chunky.

Angela can clean up well, and she's hot when not playing her character on the office.

Angela is REALLY hot when not in character and scowling all the time.

lcarus
03-02-2012, 03:24 PM
She's cute though....in a show where their hottest star got chunky.

Angela can clean up well, and she's hot when not playing her character on the office.

Hot? Definitely. She's just annoying to me most of the time though.

RockChalk
04-23-2012, 12:25 PM
So anyone think that Andy is really "fired"?

BigMeatballDave
04-23-2012, 12:27 PM
So anyone think that Andy is really "fired"?No.

This may be a lead up to Dwight's departure, provided the spin-off rumor is true.

This was a very good episode.

RockChalk
04-23-2012, 12:58 PM
No.

This may be a lead up to Dwight's departure, provided the spin-off rumor is true.

This was a very good episode.

I liked the last two quite a bit. Wasn't crazy about the episodes dealing with the "store opening" in Florida. But it's back on track now.

SuperChief
04-23-2012, 01:26 PM
No.

This may be a lead up to Dwight's departure, provided the spin-off rumor is true.

This was a very good episode.

The spin-off rumor is no longer rumor; it was confirmed by Rainn Wilson on Leno a few weeks ago.

blaise
04-23-2012, 01:41 PM
They've been doing better with Jim's character. The British lady has about run her course.

RockChalk
04-23-2012, 02:43 PM
They've been doing better with Jim's character. The British lady has about run her course.

Agree with both points

|Zach|
04-23-2012, 07:12 PM
I have been enjoying the show. It isn't as good as it has been or anything but still usually pretty damn funny.

blaise
04-23-2012, 07:38 PM
I get the feeling Mindy Kaling is basically the show's driving force right now.

|Zach|
04-23-2012, 08:10 PM
I get the feeling Mindy Kaling is basically the show's driving force right now.

Agreed.

Sure-Oz
04-23-2012, 10:36 PM
Apparently the whole cast wants to return for season 9 but its up to NBC

BigMeatballDave
04-23-2012, 10:42 PM
Apparently the whole cast wants to return for season 9 but its up to NBC

Yeah. I cant find anything on whether NBC has renewed it for next season.

keg in kc
04-23-2012, 11:15 PM
I have been enjoying the show. It isn't as good as it has been or anything but still usually pretty damn funny.I think I'm still enjoying it more than the last couple of michael scott seasons.

|Zach|
04-23-2012, 11:22 PM
I think I'm still enjoying it more than the last couple of michael scott seasons.

Not sure if this makes sense but...

I think there was a higher floor but lower ceiling to those episodes.

These days it feels like sometimes (not a lot) an episode simply doesnt work but the funny ones are realllly good.

keg in kc
04-23-2012, 11:24 PM
Not sure if this makes sense but...

I think there was a higher floor but lower ceiling to those episodes.

These days it feels like sometimes (not a lot) an episode simply doesnt work but the funny ones are realllly good.That might be it. The ones that bomb now are pretty terrible, but the ones I like I really like.

|Zach|
04-23-2012, 11:30 PM
That might be it. The ones that bomb now are pretty terrible, but the ones I like I really like.

I really liked the one where they go to Robert's post divorce man cave.

I love him in small doses as well.

"Why is Jim treating the magician poorly?"

arrowheadnation
04-24-2012, 12:42 AM
So does Angela and their love child go with Dwight to wherever he goes?

blaise
05-03-2012, 10:37 PM
The last two Office episodes have been better than the last 2 Parks and Rec. I'm pretty tired of the city council election arc.

BigMeatballDave
05-04-2012, 09:53 PM
The last two Office episodes have been better than the last 2 Parks and Rec. I'm pretty tired of the city council election arc.

Yeah, they've really dragged that out.

Great show though.

lcarus
05-05-2012, 11:34 AM
Maybe I need to give Parks & Rec a chance? I always viewed it as an Office wannabe, but now that The Office is rarely worth watching anymore (though I still do) maybe I should check it out. I know it's the same writers from The Office's early days right? Or producers? I really didn't like Amy Poehler on SNL.

blaise
05-05-2012, 01:03 PM
Maybe I need to give Parks & Rec a chance? I always viewed it as an Office wannabe, but now that The Office is rarely worth watching anymore (though I still do) maybe I should check it out. I know it's the same writers from The Office's early days right? Or producers? I really didn't like Amy Poehler on SNL.

I wasn't an Amy Poehler fan either, but she's good on Parks and Rec. Season 2 was great.

BigMeatballDave
05-05-2012, 01:50 PM
Maybe I need to give Parks & Rec a chance? I always viewed it as an Office wannabe, but now that The Office is rarely worth watching anymore (though I still do) maybe I should check it out. I know it's the same writers from The Office's early days right? Or producers? I really didn't like Amy Poehler on SNL.

Watch it but start at the beginning. It's awesome. Its on Netflix.

lcarus
05-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Watch it but start at the beginning. It's awesome. Its on Netflix.

Yeah I just watched the first episode on Netflix. Not that great, but it's just the pilot. I'll give it a chance. I know there's no way it can be as good as The Office was in its early seasons, so I won't expect that. I love Rashida Jones though, so even if I don't find the show very funny, at least I get the luxury of looking at her.

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2012, 06:43 PM
Yeah I just watched the first episode on Netflix. Not that great, but it's just the pilot. I'll give it a chance. I know there's no way it can be as good as The Office was in its early seasons, so I won't expect that. I love Rashida Jones though, so even if I don't find the show very funny, at least I get the luxury of looking at her.

Season 1 isn't great.

Season 2 is awesome.

lcarus
08-31-2012, 09:51 AM
So The Office is ending after this last season. They said they are gonna "unmask the Scranton Strangler" lol. Who do you all think it could be? Gabe? The dude is fucking weird to say the least. Creed? A side character like Roy? Should be interesting. The show has gone downhill really since Carell left, and even before then somewhat. But I'm interested to see how they end things. I love series finales of shows I've watched for a long time.

Reaper16
08-31-2012, 10:29 AM
So The Office is ending after this last season. They said they are gonna "unmask the Scranton Strangler" lol. Who do you all think it could be? Gabe? The dude is fucking weird to say the least. Creed? A side character like Roy? Should be interesting. The show has gone downhill really since Carell left, and even before then somewhat. But I'm interested to see how they end things. I love series finales of shows I've watched for a long time.

Can't be Gabe, cuz he was originally from Florida, right? He only went to Scranton after Dunder-Mifflin was acquired by Sabre.

mikeyis4dcats.
08-31-2012, 10:33 AM
So The Office is ending after this last season. They said they are gonna "unmask the Scranton Strangler" lol. Who do you all think it could be? Gabe? The dude is ****ing weird to say the least. Creed? A side character like Roy? Should be interesting. The show has gone downhill really since Carell left, and even before then somewhat. But I'm interested to see how they end things. I love series finales of shows I've watched for a long time.

Angela

Buck
08-31-2012, 10:34 AM
It's gotta be Mose.

lcarus
08-31-2012, 10:44 AM
Can't be Gabe, cuz he was originally from Florida, right? He only went to Scranton after Dunder-Mifflin was acquired by Sabre.

Gabe's first episode was season 6 episode 15 and the Scranton Strangler was first mentioned in season 6 episode 17. Of course they inferred that the killer had been doing his thing for a while so yeah it wouldn't really make sense if it was Gabe. He would be a perfect candidate though...

DJ's left nut
08-31-2012, 10:52 AM
Wait...I thought the Scranton Strangler was in jail and stuff. Didn't Toby serve on his jury? And didn't he also say it was a guy?

Doesn't seem like it could be anyone from the cast - they'd have to be in jail (i.e. written out). David Wallace is the best bet I can come up with - he kinda went crazy in season 6(ish). Wait - Roy would also be a pretty great option: Out of the series, violent temper, bottomed out, etc...

I'm going with Roy.

Predarat
08-31-2012, 10:55 AM
Hope they bring back Michael Scott for the series finally.

lcarus
08-31-2012, 11:16 AM
Wait...I thought the Scranton Strangler was in jail and stuff. Didn't Toby serve on his jury? And didn't he also say it was a guy?

Doesn't seem like it could be anyone from the cast - they'd have to be in jail (i.e. written out). David Wallace is the best bet I can come up with - he kinda went crazy in season 6(ish). Wait - Roy would also be a pretty great option: Out of the series, violent temper, bottomed out, etc...

I'm going with Roy.

Yeah Toby said he believed they convicted the wrong man. Then Greg Daniels said they were going to actually unmask the real Scranton Strangler this season lol. So I assume it will be somebody known.

SuperChief
08-31-2012, 11:41 AM
I'm REALLY pumped for this season. Now that they officially know that this is the last season, it'll hopefully tie up all loose ends and everything. I'm very much hoping for a Michael/Holly reunion episode (maybe she's pregnant? or they get married?)

blaise
08-31-2012, 12:59 PM
Jan got pretty crazy.

DJ's left nut
08-31-2012, 01:03 PM
Yeah Toby said he believed they convicted the wrong man. Then Greg Daniels said they were going to actually unmask the real Scranton Strangler this season lol. So I assume it will be somebody known.

Ah...I was in and out (mostly out) last season, so I must've missed that part.

Seems pretty contrived, IMO.

CoMoChief
08-31-2012, 02:13 PM
Jan got pretty crazy.

jan is hot

Red Brooklyn
08-31-2012, 05:13 PM
This is the right move. I love the show, but it's time to end it.

I give shows a lot of shit for always rehashing and bringing up all the old shit they possibly can before they say goodbye... but... Michael Scott HAS to appear in an episode. He just HAS to.

Tribal Warfare
08-31-2012, 05:18 PM
So The Office is ending after this last season. They said they are gonna "unmask the Scranton Strangler" lol. Who do you all think it could be? Gabe? The dude is fucking weird to say the least. Creed?


Michael ( in a bad Southern Accent) I declare you are suspect in a murder

Then Creed immediately goes back to the parking lot to get to his car then peals out.

Rain Man
08-31-2012, 05:28 PM
Michael ( in a bad Southern Accent) I declare you are suspect in a murder

Then Creed immediately goes back to the parking lot to get to his car then peals out.


That made me roll with laughter.

It could be Creed, though that would disappoint me since he's perhaps my favorite character on the show.

It really should be that really nasty guy who's the road salesman.

BigMeatballDave
08-31-2012, 05:50 PM
Yeah, its time to end it. I will certainly miss it.

Another show that needs to wrap up is How I Met Your Mother.

Rain Man
08-31-2012, 06:08 PM
I don't watch it regularly, but I sure don't see a reason to end it. Even if you think it's gone downhill, it's still going to be better than 95 percent of television's offerings.

I really don't think any good show should be ended until the day they introduce a small child into the cast. That is the true and unerring indicator that a show is done.

Tribal Warfare
08-31-2012, 06:09 PM
That made me roll with laughter.

It could be Creed, though that would disappoint me since he's perhaps my favorite character on the show.

It really should be that really nasty guy who's the road salesman.

Danny Cordray (Timothy Olyphant's character)

Captain Obvious
08-31-2012, 08:58 PM
Danny Cordray (Timothy Olyphant's character)

I think he's referring to Todd Packer.

Tribal Warfare
08-31-2012, 09:01 PM
I think he's referring to Todd Packer.

I know, but that would be the curveball that if it's Pam's old crush

Sure-Oz
09-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Def. going to miss the office but it's run its course. Hope they go out with a bang

DaFace
09-02-2012, 11:07 AM
Def. going to miss the office but it's run its course. Hope they go out with a bang

I bet they bring back Michael for the finale.

DJay23
09-02-2012, 11:15 AM
I read in an article with a producer or writer or some such that Michael Scott will only come back if Steve Carell is comfortable with it. He has said that he was happy with the exit his character made and the writers wouldn't want to ruin that for him.

DaFace
09-02-2012, 11:24 AM
I read in an article with a producer or writer or some such that Michael Scott will only come back if Steve Carell is comfortable with it. He has said that he was happy with the exit his character made and the writers wouldn't want to ruin that for him.

I could see that I guess. Still, you wouldn't think it'd take much to have him in the final shot somehow. Even if it's just him and Holly talking to the team on Skype or something, you'd think it'd be cool to have him in there. But who knows.

Red Brooklyn
09-02-2012, 10:39 PM
I had a dream that Michael had the entire office rigged on web-cams so that he could watch everything they do. All the time.

lcarus
09-25-2012, 03:41 PM
Anyone watch the season premiere last week? I thought it was decent. Still...without Steve Carell it just isn't right. I love Dwight but he can't carry the show by himself. The other side characters just aren't that funny anymore. I'm still looking forward to the final season though.

|Zach|
09-25-2012, 05:29 PM
Anyone watch the season premiere last week? I thought it was decent. Still...without Steve Carell it just isn't right. I love Dwight but he can't carry the show by himself. The other side characters just aren't that funny anymore. I'm still looking forward to the final season though.

See I thought his character was completely played out and the exit was good timing.

loochy
09-25-2012, 05:32 PM
I had a dream that Michael had the entire office rigged on web-cams so that he could watch everything they do. All the time.

I had a dream last night where I was hooking up with Jan but in public she pretended that she didn't like me even though she wanted it bad.

lcarus
09-25-2012, 06:32 PM
See I thought his character was completely played out and the exit was good timing.

The whole show was played out. He was still the funniest character for me. I wish he would have just stayed for the last two seasons.

loochy
09-25-2012, 06:42 PM
The whole show was played out. He was still the funniest character for me. I wish he would have just stayed for the last two seasons.

The show lost its burst without Michael Scott

|Zach|
09-26-2012, 01:01 AM
Robert California injected a lot into that show. I really enjoyed last season.

WoodDraw
09-26-2012, 01:17 AM
I find the Australian girl annoying. The whole talk to the documentary team seems a bit weird to me, but I guess they're setting up the ending. It's definitively an American series ending and not British.

blaise
09-26-2012, 05:26 AM
I thought this previous episode was funny. I though Parks and Rec last week was just barely ok.

Predarat
09-26-2012, 07:29 AM
No Cali this season, hope they do bring back some past characters. Actually tomorrow they bring back Pams ex.

blaise
09-26-2012, 07:30 AM
Pam looking much better this year.

lcarus
09-26-2012, 10:12 AM
Robert California injected a lot into that show. I really enjoyed last season.

I felt like they didn't really know what to do with his character. I must have missed the episode/s last season where Sabre left the picture. How is David Wallace back in charge now? What happened to Robert California? Will he be back or is he done?

blaise
09-26-2012, 10:14 AM
I felt like they didn't really know what to do with his character. I must have missed the episode/s last season where Sabre left the picture. How is David Wallace back in charge now? What happened to Robert California? Will he be back or is he done?

Andy went to Wallace's house. Wallace made a bunch of money off one of his inventions. Andy told Wallace that they both knew Dunder Mifflin was poorly run, that it could make money, and Wallace should buy Dunder Mifflin and turn a profit.

CoMoChief
09-26-2012, 10:34 AM
I thought this previous episode was funny. I though Parks and Rec last week was just barely ok.

The more Andy and Ron Swanson the better IMO

CoMoChief
09-26-2012, 10:39 AM
Pam looking much better this year.

thank god.....they need more eye candy on that show.

Angela "can be" hot at times.

loochy
09-26-2012, 11:08 AM
thank god.....they need more eye candy on that show.

Angela "can be" hot at times.

I'd wreck Erin dude

blaise
09-26-2012, 11:18 AM
I'd wreck Erin dude

Yeah, I'm a big fan.

Baby Lee
09-26-2012, 11:24 AM
I'd wreck Erin dude

It seemed to me that Ellie Kemper hottied it up even more than Amy Poehler this past offseason.

CoMoChief
09-26-2012, 12:01 PM
I'd wreck Erin dude

oh yeah forgot about her.......she looked amazingly hot in the last episode. Better than normal.

CoMoChief
09-26-2012, 12:01 PM
It seemed to me that Ellie Kemper hottied it up even more than Amy Poehler this past offseason.

agreed. I'd still love to nail Poehler though.

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Is Ellie Kemper part of THE Kempers? I noticed she's from KC.

Also, she's fucking hot this season.

DaneMcCloud
09-27-2012, 11:51 PM
Is Ellie Kemper part of THE Kempers? I noticed she's from KC.

Yes

Baby Lee
09-28-2012, 05:16 AM
Is Ellie Kemper part of THE Kempers? I noticed she's from KC.

Also, she's fucking hot this season.

Weird that, with that pedigree, she got her start with a College Humor teethy BJ.

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tomahawk kid
09-28-2012, 09:05 AM
Is Ellie Kemper part of THE Kempers? I noticed she's from KC.

Also, she's ****ing hot this season.

I had NO idea she was that 'ahem' talented, until the newscaster scene last night.

Baby Lee
11-08-2012, 11:13 PM
I don't know if I've seen anything funnier than Kevin's 'gotta go to the bathroom' montage.

The last one where he stopped his car jumped out and started running back inside grasping his ass, . . . I replayed that like 15 times in a row laughing each time.

Baby Lee
11-09-2012, 02:14 AM
Congrats to Koo-Koo Kulap landing a plum role on Parks and Rec as Mike the Cleaner's second wife, apparently giving young Ben Wyatt a little brother in the process.

Red Brooklyn
12-12-2012, 12:58 PM
Anyone still watching this thing?

That Christmas episode was awesome. Laughed like an idiot the entire time. Glad the final season got a worthy Christmas episode.

BigMeatballDave
12-12-2012, 01:00 PM
Anyone still watching this thing?

That Christmas episode was awesome. Laughed like an idiot the entire time. Glad the final season got a worthy Christmas episode.

Yes. That was great.

I will be sad when it ends, but it is time.

blaise
12-12-2012, 01:09 PM
Anyone still watching this thing?

That Christmas episode was awesome. Laughed like an idiot the entire time. Glad the final season got a worthy Christmas episode.

It was good. I laughed a few times. A lot of the parts with Daryl dragged on but the end when he crashed was funny.