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pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:01 PM
Know we got some Trek fans here. I'd like to pose a question.

There has been many a time where a Federation ship is about to explode and the Captain yells "ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP".

My question is, why is there not an automated system where when the Captain (or any Senior Officer) gives the order to abandon ship, the ship beams the crew to escape pods and launches them?

It is not like transporter pads are required anymore to beam people around anymore. Is it a known limitation of transporter technology or is that just a huge oversight?

/lol Cling Ons
//Wendler?

Guru
06-28-2010, 11:04 PM
I would assume it couldn't handle that mass of people quickly enough.

blaise
06-28-2010, 11:07 PM
Budget constraints. Most of the people on the lower decks are outsource workers. The Federation has no real duty to evacuate them, the "All hands abandon ship" announcement is for liability reasons. The Federation must give notice but it is the resonsibility of Universal Outsource Partners to actually implement an evacuation plan for the people working in payroll, maintainance, food service, etc. Normally these employees are not actually evacuated. They normally perish and new employees are hired.

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:08 PM
If they had to abandon ship, they probably won't have the auxillary power available to beam people.

blaise
06-28-2010, 11:11 PM
I sometimes think about the people in the lower decks hearing the red alert signal. They must be like, "Again? I'm not getting up out of my bed for this crap. All that happens is the damn alarm rings for 20 minutes, the ship rocks back and forth for a few minutes and that's it. All that because Kirk was jerking around with some alien chick. F-it."

pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:12 PM
I would assume it couldn't handle that mass of people quickly enough.

Agreed. There have been times where a ship was called to evacuate a village and they state that it would take X amount of hours. There are ships though that have a compliment of 50 or less.

Reading through the Wiki about transporters, it makes no mention of the amount of people it can take at once but it does state "This calculates the length of a typical transport as between 2 and 2.5 seconds and possibly less."

If that is the case, and say the transporter can only take 10 at a time, it would take 10 seconds to get everyone off the ship with a crew of 50. Perhaps not feasible for a Galaxy class Starship but certainly is for a small Escort ship.

Miles
06-28-2010, 11:15 PM
If they transported the people in red uniforms they would just die after some short duration wherever they ended up.

pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:19 PM
Budget constraints. Most of the people on the lower decks are outsource workers. The Federation has no real duty to evacuate them, the "All hands abandon ship" announcement is for liability reasons. The Federation must give notice but it is the resonsibility of Universal Outsource Partners to actually implement an evacuation plan for the people working in payroll, maintainance, food service, etc. Normally these employees are not actually evacuated. They normally perish and new employees are hired.

ROFL

If they had to abandon ship, they probably won't have the auxillary power available to beam people.

I could see that.

They always seem to have the ability to transfer power all over the damn place, usually systems are still somewhat online though. As long as the main computer is still responsive, it should not be impossible to transfer all power from any system not shields for a 10 second evac.

Guru
06-28-2010, 11:20 PM
If they transported the people in red uniforms they would just die after some short duration wherever they ended up.unless you are an engineer with a Scottish accent.

DaneMcCloud
06-28-2010, 11:25 PM
I loved the original Star Trek but since then, it's fucking stupid.

There have been so many time travel scenario's beginning with Star Trek 4 and concluding with the latest Star Trek movie, that anything and everything can be erased and history is rewritten on a whim.

To me, it makes everything irrelevant and for the most part, not worth my time.

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:27 PM
ROFL



I could see that.

They always seem to have the ability to transfer power all over the damn place, usually systems are still somewhat online though. As long as the main computer is still responsive, it should not be impossible to transfer all power from any system not shields for a 10 second evac.


True. They always figure out how to fix shit by "Reconfiguring the graviton field to convert the valarium particles into plasma and direct the resulting energy into the dilithium chamber."



Make it so?

Taco John
06-28-2010, 11:28 PM
Know we got some Trek fans here. I'd like to pose a question.

There has been many a time where a Federation ship is about to explode and the Captain yells "ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP".

My question is, why is there not an automated system where when the Captain (or any Senior Officer) gives the order to abandon ship, the ship beams the vrew to escape pods and launches them?

It is not like transporter pads are required anymore to beam people around anymore. Is it a known limitation of transporter technology or is that just a huge oversight?

/lol Cling Ons
//Wendler?


The processing and cache size required to handle that load would require the computing power of 120 Enterprise class star ships.

Miles
06-28-2010, 11:29 PM
unless you are an engineer with a Scottish accent.

I always forget about the Scottish exemption.

Count Zarth
06-28-2010, 11:29 PM
Taco nailed it. There's not enough energy to transport that many people all at once, especially when the ship is under attack and lord knows what is crapping out.

pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:30 PM
The processing and cache size required to handle that load would require the computing power of 120 Enterprise class star ships.

Taco nailed it. There's not enough energy to transport that many people all at once, especially when the ship is under attack and lord knows what is crapping out.

I had a theory about cache size and limitations.

Reading through the Wiki about transporters, it makes no mention of the amount of people it can take at once but it does state "This calculates the length of a typical transport as between 2 and 2.5 seconds and possibly less."

If that is the case, and say the transporter can only take 10 at a time, it would take 10 seconds to get everyone off the ship with a crew of 50. Perhaps not feasible for a Galaxy class Starship but certainly is for a small Escort ship.

Can't do it all in one chunk but certainly could a bit at a time. 10 seconds and everyone is off an Escort ship.

notorious
06-28-2010, 11:31 PM
I loved the original Star Trek but since then, it's ****ing stupid.

There have been so many time travel scenario's beginning with Star Trek 4 and concluding with the latest Star Trek movie, that anything and everything can be erased and history is rewritten on a whim.

To me, it makes everything irrelevant and for the most part, not worth my time.

This.


I never understood why the Borg didn't go back in time in the middle of nowhere and then travel to Earth to conquer it. BUT nooooooo, they had to fight through Star Fleet right up to Earth's front door before creating the worm hole.

Miles
06-28-2010, 11:32 PM
True. They always figure out how to fix shit by "Reconfiguring the graviton field to convert the valarium particles into plasma and direct the resulting energy into the dilithium chamber."



Make it so?

Deflector dish something or other is usually the way to go.

Guru
06-28-2010, 11:45 PM
I loved the original Star Trek but since then, it's ****ing stupid.

There have been so many time travel scenario's beginning with Star Trek 4 and concluding with the latest Star Trek movie, that anything and everything can be erased and history is rewritten on a whim.

To me, it makes everything irrelevant and for the most part, not worth my time.I agree with this to a point. What they did with the new Star Trek movie I really like. Now the entire timeline changes instead of just getting fixed like all the other shows and movies did.

Count Zarth
06-28-2010, 11:48 PM
Deflector dish something or other is usually the way to go.

This is why Deep Space Nine is the best Trek and Voyager is the worst Trek.

Seemed like every week on Voyager the solution to whatever problem was going on some technobabble BS.

DS9 was the exact opposite.

This summer I've been working my way through DS9 because I didn't get to catch it all during it's first run. Been highly enjoyable.

Count Zarth
06-28-2010, 11:49 PM
I never understood why the Borg didn't go back in time in the middle of nowhere and then travel to Earth to conquer it. BUT nooooooo, they had to fight through Star Fleet right up to Earth's front door before creating the worm hole.

Because it made for a better movie.

Miles
06-28-2010, 11:53 PM
I agree with this to a point. What they did with the new Star Trek movie I really like. Now the entire timeline changes instead of just getting fixed like all the other shows and movies did.

Very much agree here. While it is a convenient way to re-boot it gives them a lot of room to proceed creatively, which I felt was badly needed.

Buck
06-28-2010, 11:53 PM
Please edit the OP to say crew and not vrew. That confused the dhit out of me.

pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:54 PM
I agree with this to a point. What they did with the new Star Trek movie I really like. Now the entire timeline changes instead of just getting fixed like all the other shows and movies did.

What sucks now is that we have to remember WTF happened in two cannons.

I wonder if there will be another incarnation of the Enterprise-D and if there will be a Picard at the helm.

pr_capone
06-28-2010, 11:55 PM
Please edit the OP to say crew and not vrew. That confused the dhit out of me.

:thumb:

Buck
06-29-2010, 12:03 AM
What sucks now is that we have to remember WTF happened in two cannons.

I wonder if there will be another incarnation of the Enterprise-D and if there will be a Picard at the helm.

That would be interesting, but I don't think they'd be able to for another 20 years.

Taco John
06-29-2010, 12:03 AM
Deep Space Nine is easily the best and most intelligent Star Trek of them all, with easily the best story line, and the best complete story arc not only in Sci Fi, but maybe even in television history. They took two warring races with cultures vastly different to eachother, and put them through a story line that ultimately forced them to work together to save their asses. The political twists, the cloak and dagger, the sci-fi and everything in between was awesome.

If you missed Deep Space Nine, you owe it to yourself to correct that.

Miles
06-29-2010, 12:09 AM
This summer I've been working my way through DS9 because I didn't get to catch it all during it's first run. Been highly enjoyable.

I only caught bits of the first season or two during the initial run of DS9 as well and watched them all a few years back and it was very enjoyable. Really got a lot better once it became more serialized.

I have never really had the urge to do the same with Voyager. Probably go back and watch the old school ones before I do that but still a bit concerned that TOS probably hasn't aged well from the episodes I knew from syndication as a kid.

DaneMcCloud
06-29-2010, 12:21 AM
Deep Space Nine is easily the best and most intelligent Star Trek of them all, with easily the best story line, and the best complete story arc not only in Sci Fi, but maybe even in television history. They took two warring races with cultures vastly different to eachother, and put them through a story line that ultimately forced them to work together to save their asses. The political twists, the cloak and dagger, the sci-fi and everything in between was awesome.

If you missed Deep Space Nine, you owe it to yourself to correct that.

Deep Space Nine's first season SO put me to sleep that I never had any reason or desire to ever watch it again.

And Captain Janeway and her series?

No thanks.

Buck
06-29-2010, 12:27 AM
Which series was the most serial?

I cannot stand "monster of the week" shows.

DaneMcCloud
06-29-2010, 12:33 AM
Which series was the most serial?

I cannot stand "monster of the week" shows.

Well IMO, "Enterprise" was the most "serialized", meaning there was growth from week to week and season to season.

But Paramount fucked up the last season and the final episode didn't do the series or the actors justice, IMO.

Count Zarth
06-29-2010, 12:37 AM
Deep Space Nine's first season SO put me to sleep that I never had any reason or desire to ever watch it again.

And Captain Janeway and her series?

No thanks.

The first season is pretty mediocre, and sometimes awful.

You gotta stick with it. The Dominion War is so fucking incredible, and the Klingon War before that is a very nice appetizer. The character arcs are really great. Most notably Sisko, Kira and Odo. Awesome romance between Jadzia and Worf. Watching Jake and Nog grow up is really cool.

Oh yeah, and the coolest ship in Star Trek history.

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Taco John
06-29-2010, 12:41 AM
Deep Space Nine's first season SO put me to sleep that I never had any reason or desire to ever watch it again.

And Captain Janeway and her series?

No thanks.


That's understandable. I had the same experience. And I couldn't stand the Ferengi. It wasn't until about the end of season three that I ended up watching part one of a two part story arc, and got hooked. The thing about Deep Space Nine is that it just keeps getting better and better. Season 5, 6, and 7 are flat awesome television.

Deep Space Nine is simply the best Space Opera ever, with some really epic space battles towards the end of the series. If you like Space Operas, you have no business ignoring Deep Space Nine.

DaneMcCloud
06-29-2010, 12:45 AM
That's understandable. I had the same experience. And I couldn't stand the Ferengi. It wasn't until about the end of season three that I ended up watching part one of a two part story arc, and got hooked. The thing about Deep Space Nine is that it just keeps getting better and better. Season 5, 6, and 7 are flat awesome television.

No offense, but hanging out in Hollywood bars and banging tons of hot chicks took precedence over a lame fucking show.

Taco John
06-29-2010, 12:46 AM
Oh yeah, and the coolest ship in Star Trek history.

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That does it. I start season one all over again when I get home from my Independence weekend trip. The Defiant was absolutely awesome.

Taco John
06-29-2010, 12:47 AM
No offense, but hanging out in Hollywood bars and banging tons of hot chicks took precedence over a lame ****ing show.


None taken. You're old and bald now. Pop in a DVD. ;)

Count Zarth
06-29-2010, 12:48 AM
Also, Avery Brooks is probably my favorite actor in all of Star Trek.

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DaneMcCloud
06-29-2010, 12:50 AM
None taken. You're old and bald now. Pop in a DVD. ;)

No and no.

I've got more fucking hair than Sammy Hagar and I'm far from old.

:shake:

The reality is that I'm not a fucking hairy Conehead with too much time on my hands.

Count Zarth
06-29-2010, 12:58 AM
lol

You know what's incredible about DS9?

It has literally helped me understand my father better. The relationship between Sisko and his son has given me insight into fatherly love that I probably could only get otherwise by experiencing it firsthand.

DS9 has brought me to tears more times than I care to admit. Watch "The Visitor."

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Miles
06-29-2010, 01:12 AM
Also, Avery Brooks is probably my favorite actor in all of Star Trek.

He really was pretty good. I'm a little surprised he never really turned up in anything after that.

As far as actors go, Patrick Stewart is still pretty easily the best lead actor from any of the series. Though they did occasionally put him through a few embarrassingly bad scrips at times.

Miles
06-29-2010, 01:19 AM
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From Extras.

Guru
06-29-2010, 01:23 AM
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From Extras.LMAO