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petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:10 AM
I guess they reached a deal with Apple yesterday. Verizon forecasts up to 12 milliion IPhone sales next year. This is certainly a blow to AT&T but Sprint really will take it in the pants now.


Sorry if repost.

Fish
06-30-2010, 09:10 AM
Link? Or is this the same recycled rumor? How did they get around the exclusivity contract?

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:11 AM
Link? Or is this the same recycled rumor? How did they get around the exclusivity contract?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-29/verizon-wireless-said-to-get-apple-iphone-in-january.html

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Verizon Wireless, the largest U.S. mobile-phone company, will start selling Apple Inc.’s iPhone next year, ending AT&T Inc.’s exclusive hold on the smartphone in the U.S., two people familiar with the plans said.

The device will be available to customers in January, according to the people, who declined to be named because the information isn’t public. Natalie Kerris, an Apple spokeswoman, and Jeffrey Nelson, a Verizon Wireless spokesman, declined to comment.

The iPhone, which has been the sole domain of rival AT&T in the U.S. since June 2007, will give Verizon a boost in its competition for smartphone customers, UBS AG analyst John Hodulik said in an interview. Verizon customers, who numbered 92.8 million at the end of the first quarter, may buy 3 million iPhones a quarter, he estimates.

“Apple is going to dramatically increase the number of devices it sells in the U.S. when exclusivity at AT&T ends,” said Hodulik, who is based in New York and rates Verizon shares “neutral.” “It’s hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.”

Verizon Wireless, which is building a high-speed fourth- generation network, plans to unveil several devices that will run on the new technology in January at the Consumer Electronics Show, Chief Executive Officer Lowell McAdam has said.

IPhone Gains

Verizon Communications Inc., which co-owns the wireless company with Vodafone Group Plc, slid 9 cents to $28.62 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading at 4 p.m. AT&T fell 49 cents to $24.46. Apple, based in Cupertino, California, dropped $12.13 to $256.17 on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Peter Thonis, a spokesman for Verizon Communications, and Mark Siegel, an AT&T spokesman, declined to comment. Tenille Kennedy, a spokeswoman for Research in Motion Ltd., didn’t return a call seeking comment.

The iPhone has helped AT&T add subscribers even as the U.S. mobile-phone market nears saturation. There are enough wireless devices for more than nine out of 10 people, according to the CTIA wireless industry association.

In the first three months of this year, about a third of AT&T’s iPhone activations came from customers who were new to the carrier. Without those 900,000 new subscribers, the company may have posted a loss in contract customers that quarter, analysts said.

Still, Dallas-based AT&T has battled customer complaints about its wireless service, especially in New York and San Francisco, and dedicated an extra $2 billion to upgrading its network this year.

BlackBerry, Android

For Apple, a partnership with Basking Ridge, New Jersey- based Verizon Wireless is a victory over rivals such as RIM and Motorola Inc., whose smartphones are currently promoted by the carrier.

“For Apple it means a larger addressable market,” said Andy Hargreaves, an analyst at Pacific Crest Securities in Portland, Oregon. “It’s also good news for Apple in that it will spread the load on the wireless data networks, which will be good for their customers.”

Motorola, which makes Droid phones that use Google Inc.’s Android operating system, fell 27 cents, or 3.8 percent, to $6.80 on the New York Stock Exchange. Google dropped $17.82, or 3.8 percent, to $454.26 on the Nasdaq. RIM, maker of the BlackBerry, declined $3.22, or 6.1 percent, to $49.75.

Apple has sold more than 50 million iPhones since the phone’s introduction in 2007. The latest version, iPhone 4, sold more than 1.7 million units in the first three days after its June 24 debut, a record for the product. Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs said the company didn’t have enough supply to meet demand. Many stores, including retailer Best Buy Co., sold out.

A release at Verizon in the first quarter will help Apple’s sales in the U.S. grow to at least 15 million units next year from 11 million in 2010, Barclays Capital analysts said in a note today. The company’s suppliers have been ramping up production of components for a phone on Verizon’s CDMA network, according to the research report.

--With assistance from Connie Guglielmo in San Francisco and Arik Hesseldahl and Greg Bensinger in New York. Editors: Peter Elstrom, Ville Heiskanen

DTLB58
06-30-2010, 09:12 AM
Problem is this is like the hunderth un-verified report of this same story over the past 2 years.

Per the story in USA Today, reps for both Apple and Verizon will not comment on the matter, so it's still just a rumor.....Again.

But yea, For the life of me I can't figure out why Apple chose At&t and continues to reamin this fricking stubborn not to add someone with competent service for the iphone. At&t is just horable at least for me.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:12 AM
Plus I will add it has been reported on Bloomberg yesterday and today. The deal is done. :)

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:14 AM
Problem is this is like the hunderth un-verified report of this same story over the past 2 years.

Per the story in USA Today, reps for both Apple and Verizon will not comment on the matter, so it's still just a rumor.....Again.

But yea, For the life of me I can't figure out why Apple chose At&t and continues to reamin this fricking stubborn not to add someone with competent service for the iphone. At&t is just horable at least for me.

It wasn't the fact that Apple chose AT&T. It was the fact that AT&T was the only carrier to agree to Apple's terms. Sprint and Verizon both had a shot at the IPhone and turned it away because all Apple wanted was a "pipe". They didn't wan' the carriers selling all their ringers and whatnot. Sprint I know for a fact felt that it would not have been profitable for them to do so. VZ I believe said the same. Now they are both kicking themselves.

But the fact is, the deal is going to happen with Verizon.

DTLB58
06-30-2010, 09:16 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-29/verizon-wireless-said-to-get-apple-iphone-in-january.html

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Verizon Wireless, the largest U.S. mobile-phone company, will start selling Apple Inc.’s iPhone next year, ending AT&T Inc.’s exclusive hold on the smartphone in the U.S., two people familiar with the plans said.

The device will be available to customers in January, according to the people, who declined to be named because the information isn’t public. Natalie Kerris, an Apple spokeswoman, and Jeffrey Nelson, a Verizon Wireless spokesman, declined to comment.

The iPhone, which has been the sole domain of rival AT&T in the U.S. since June 2007, will give Verizon a boost in its competition for smartphone customers, UBS AG analyst John Hodulik said in an interview. Verizon customers, who numbered 92.8 million at the end of the first quarter, may buy 3 million iPhones a quarter, he estimates.

“Apple is going to dramatically increase the number of devices it sells in the U.S. when exclusivity at AT&T ends,” said Hodulik, who is based in New York and rates Verizon shares “neutral.” “It’s hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.”

Verizon Wireless, which is building a high-speed fourth- generation network, plans to unveil several devices that will run on the new technology in January at the Consumer Electronics Show, Chief Executive Officer Lowell McAdam has said.

IPhone Gains

Verizon Communications Inc., which co-owns the wireless company with Vodafone Group Plc, slid 9 cents to $28.62 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading at 4 p.m. AT&T fell 49 cents to $24.46. Apple, based in Cupertino, California, dropped $12.13 to $256.17 on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Peter Thonis, a spokesman for Verizon Communications, and Mark Siegel, an AT&T spokesman, declined to comment. Tenille Kennedy, a spokeswoman for Research in Motion Ltd., didn’t return a call seeking comment.

The iPhone has helped AT&T add subscribers even as the U.S. mobile-phone market nears saturation. There are enough wireless devices for more than nine out of 10 people, according to the CTIA wireless industry association.

In the first three months of this year, about a third of AT&T’s iPhone activations came from customers who were new to the carrier. Without those 900,000 new subscribers, the company may have posted a loss in contract customers that quarter, analysts said.

Still, Dallas-based AT&T has battled customer complaints about its wireless service, especially in New York and San Francisco, and dedicated an extra $2 billion to upgrading its network this year.

BlackBerry, Android

For Apple, a partnership with Basking Ridge, New Jersey- based Verizon Wireless is a victory over rivals such as RIM and Motorola Inc., whose smartphones are currently promoted by the carrier.

“For Apple it means a larger addressable market,” said Andy Hargreaves, an analyst at Pacific Crest Securities in Portland, Oregon. “It’s also good news for Apple in that it will spread the load on the wireless data networks, which will be good for their customers.”

Motorola, which makes Droid phones that use Google Inc.’s Android operating system, fell 27 cents, or 3.8 percent, to $6.80 on the New York Stock Exchange. Google dropped $17.82, or 3.8 percent, to $454.26 on the Nasdaq. RIM, maker of the BlackBerry, declined $3.22, or 6.1 percent, to $49.75.

Apple has sold more than 50 million iPhones since the phone’s introduction in 2007. The latest version, iPhone 4, sold more than 1.7 million units in the first three days after its June 24 debut, a record for the product. Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs said the company didn’t have enough supply to meet demand. Many stores, including retailer Best Buy Co., sold out.

A release at Verizon in the first quarter will help Apple’s sales in the U.S. grow to at least 15 million units next year from 11 million in 2010, Barclays Capital analysts said in a note today. The company’s suppliers have been ramping up production of components for a phone on Verizon’s CDMA network, according to the research report.

--With assistance from Connie Guglielmo in San Francisco and Arik Hesseldahl and Greg Bensinger in New York. Editors: Peter Elstrom, Ville Heiskanen

The last story I read like this was out of the Wall Street Journal and said they would announce the Verizon deal with new iphone and that didn't happen.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:24 AM
The last story I read like this was out of the Wall Street Journal and said they would announce the Verizon deal with new iphone and that didn't happen.

We can lay a friendly, caisno cash wager on it if you wish. :D

Fish
06-30-2010, 09:28 AM
Plus I will add it has been reported on Bloomberg yesterday and today. The deal is done. :)

Bloomberg has been the only ones to report this. And they're the same ones that have floated this rumor for the last few years. There's a lot of skepticism of their "2 unidentified sources". And everyone else pretty much says Bloomberg is pulling this out of their collective asses.

I'd really like this to be true. It would be a great thing for all involved. But I'd like to see it from someone other than Bloomberg, who has been predicting this for several years without being correct.

This article came out a day after the one you linked, and has some additional info....


http://www.pcworld.com/article/200147/iphone_on_verizon_5_reasons_to_doubt_the_latest_rumors.html?tk=hp_blg

iPhone on Verizon: 5 Reasons to Doubt the Latest Rumors

Ian Paul , PC World (http://www.pcworld.com/)
<script type="text/javascript">timestamp(1277901300000,'longDateTime')</script>Jun 30, 2010 7:35 am
Just when you thought it was over, the iPhone on Verizon rumor (http://www.pcworld.com/article/200117/verizon_iphone_in_january_wait_a_minute.html) is back...this time with a claim the iPhone is coming to Verizon in January 2011. The fresh report comes courtesy of Bloomberg news (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-29/verizon-wireless-said-to-get-iphone-in-january.html), which cites two sources "familiar with the plans." This is odd timing for a new iPhone-Verizon rumor considering that Apple just announced the iPhone 4 (http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/545030/review/32gb_iphone_4.html) had the most successful product launch in Apple's history, and Verizon just made a big deal over the upcoming launch of the Android-based Droid X (http://www.pcworld.com/article/199177/verizons_droid_x_everything_there_is_to_know.html). Why dampen customer enthusiasm for either device with a tired, old rumor that just refuses to die?

That's just one of the many reasons, I'm wondering, yet again, how much truth there is to this reason. Here's another five things to consider before buying this rumor for the umpteenth time.

That Pesky Exclusivity Contract
Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/confirmed-apple-and-atandt-signed-five-year-iphone-exclusivity-de/) recently dug up a court document where Apple appears to admit that it has a five-year exclusivity contract with AT&T (http://www.pcworld.com/article/196037/atandt_maintains_its_grip_on_the_iphone_until_2012.html) for the iPhone expiring in 2012, not 2011. Yes, as has been noted before, AT&T's exclusivity contract could have been amended to shorten the deal in the wake of AT&T's well-publicized service issues. But outcry over AT&T is nothing new, and didn't Apple further cement its relationship with AT&T earlier this year by partnering with the carrier for iTouch Senior Citizen Edition data connectivity? If Apple is overly concerned about AT&T service, it has a funny way of showing it.

Rumor Recycle
Some believe this latest rumor has a little more believability to it since it's coming from Bloomberg news, but let's not forget that "iPhone on Verizon" is the rumor that just won't die. My colleague JR Raphael took a look back at the history of this rumor (http://www.pcworld.com/article/200117/verizon_iphone_in_january_wait_a_minute.html) and came up with eight significant milestones for claims about the iPhone coming to Verizon.

Yes, it's true that many pieces of tech news have started out as never ending rumors only to become fact much later on, the iPhone and iTouch Senior Citizen Edition being two of them. But every time the iPhone on Verizon rumor turns up, people just want to believe no matter what.

Sales Are Just Fine, Thank You Very Much
Earlier this week, Apple reported that it had sold over 1.7 million iPhone 4 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/199971/apple_iphone_4_sold_17_million_couldve_sold_more.html) devices in the first three days of the new iPhone's launch. Apple also said it was the most successful product launch in the company's history, making it bigger than the iTouch Senior Citizen Edition, iPhone 3GS, and iPhone 3G. There is also some data to suggest that many of the millions of customers lining up to get the iPhone 4 on launch weekend were overwhelmingly AT&T iPhone customers (http://www.pcworld.com/article/199854/Brisk_Apple_iPhone_Sales_Dominated_by_Upgrades.html) looking to upgrade.

So if there's truly customer dissatisfaction with AT&T,why are there so many repeat customers?

Technology
The other problem is that, despite earlier rumors of a September launch, an iPhone compatible with Verizon's network (http://www.pcworld.com/article/192835/is_a_verizon_iphone_in_the_works.html) has yet to appear. Unlike AT&T, which uses the global GSM standard, Verizon uses CDMA cellular technology requiring slightly different components than the GSM-based iPhone.

What's more likely is that a Verizon iPhone would show up once Verizon has transitioned to its fourth generation LTE network, the same next-generation cellular technology AT&T is developing. In fact, Verizon's CEO Ivan Seidenberg said as much in April 2009 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/163355/verizon_ceo_says_4g_iphone_could_be_on_verizon.html).

Verizon plans on having its LTE network up and running in 25 to 30 U.S. markets later this year (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/196058/verizon_shows_lte_running_at_85m_bps.html) covering about 100 million people. But if Verizon's updated network requires an equally updated iPhone, we may be waiting until at least summer 2011 before we see the iPhone on Verizon.

Android
Verizon is spending a lot of time getting cozy with Google's Android platform these days. The two companies, along with Adobe and Motorola, just launched the Droid X (http://www.pcworld.com/article/199729/droid_x_vs_iphone_4_spec_smackdown.html), the latest iteration of the most popular Android handset (http://www.pcworld.com/article/195090/motorola_droid_still_leading_the_android_pack.html). There are also persistent rumors that a follow up to the original Droid--Droid 2--is coming in August (http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/rumor-droid-2-will-launch-with-android-2-2-on-august-23rd/).

Of course, Android handsets on Verizon don't preclude the possibility of a Verizon iPhone, but Verizon has a great smartphone partner in Google. The search giant recently boasted it was seeing an average of 160,000 Android activations (http://www.pcworld.com/article/199751/verizons_droid_x_launch_3_big_surprises.html) every day (the equivalent of almost three iPhone 4 launches a month), and a new and better Android device shows up every few weeks. Verizon may like to have the iPhone too, but right now it doesn't appear to be in a rush to get it.

The iPhone probably can't remain an AT&T exclusive forever, but neither Apple, AT&T, or Verizon look like they're in a rush to change the current status quo.

DaKCMan AP
06-30-2010, 09:38 AM
If true, I might finally jump on the iPhone bandwagon.

modocsot
06-30-2010, 09:56 AM
Maybe I'd finally get better quality phone calls on my AT&T iPhone when customers run to Verizon in droves.

I wonder if Verizon's network can handle the influx of new iPhone users, without eventually getting the same issues that AT&T currently has.

Mr. Plow
06-30-2010, 10:03 AM
AT&T had issues long before the iPhone.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 10:04 AM
AT&T had issues long before the iPhone.

I've never had any problems with AT&T. I have only been with them a couple months now but I get no dropped calls, no missed voice mails, etc.

Mr. Plow
06-30-2010, 10:07 AM
I've never had any problems with AT&T. I have only been with them a couple months now but I get no dropped calls, no missed voice mails, etc.


I'm just saying in general. I fucking hate AT&T.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 10:25 AM
AT&T had issues long before the iPhone.

I'm just saying in general. I ****ing hate AT&T.

Well, all I am saying is I have noticed an improvment from Sprint except my bill. That's the only part that sucks. With Sprint I always got dropped calls, voicemails wouldn't show up until a day or two after they were left, etc.

I would have gone with Verizon but I wanted the IPhone, and even with Verizon getting the IPhone they are fucking expensive as all hell.

DaKCMan AP
06-30-2010, 10:29 AM
Well, all I am saying is I have noticed an improvment from Sprint except my bill. That's the only part that sucks. With Sprint I always got dropped calls, voicemails wouldn't show up until a day or two after they were left, etc.

I would have gone with Verizon but I wanted the IPhone, and even with Verizon getting the IPhone they are ****ing expensive as all hell.

Corporate discount ;)

Mr. Plow
06-30-2010, 10:42 AM
Well, all I am saying is I have noticed an improvment from Sprint except my bill. That's the only part that sucks. With Sprint I always got dropped calls, voicemails wouldn't show up until a day or two after they were left, etc.

I would have gone with Verizon but I wanted the IPhone, and even with Verizon getting the IPhone they are fucking expensive as all hell.


I'm just the opposite. I've never had issues with Sprint. Been with them going on 12 years. AT&T being the only real phone provider that we got down here and then dealing with them on the business side & the residential side - I've gotten to the point that I'd rather just wait for whatever problem I am currently having to magically fix itself than to call and spend the 5 hours it takes to get the problem fixed.

If the iPhone went to Sprint, I'd probably have one now. But you'll never see me going to AT&T if there is some other option out there....even if it costs a little bit more.

DTLB58
06-30-2010, 11:02 AM
We can lay a friendly, caisno cash wager on it if you wish. :D

Lol, I couldn't care less about casino cash.

I hope they go to Verizon (actually, for me US Cellular would be best) I just am skeptical due to the past articles.

I just want to be able to make a simple freaking phone call or text message from within my house or a local business from my iphone!

I haven't seen anything to make me believe why this "rumor" is any different than any of the rest.

BigMeatballDave
06-30-2010, 01:59 PM
I would have gone with Verizon but I wanted the IPhone, and even with Verizon getting the IPhone they are fucking expensive as all hell.I'm willing to pay extra to be with Verizon. 6 weeks ago I drove down to the Florida state line. Never lost signal once. Not even in the mountains. I was even listening to Pandora on my Droid quite a bit, too. Try that with At&T.

Gravedigger
06-30-2010, 02:07 PM
EVO 4G... that is all. Tiered Data Plans can GTFO!!:)

Sure-Oz
06-30-2010, 02:08 PM
yeah im still getting my incredible

morphius
06-30-2010, 02:13 PM
Having seen this every year for a few years, I'll believe it when I see it.

Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 04:22 PM
So i'm finally gonna get my Christian Okoye picture!!! PBJ PBJ