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irishjayhawk
06-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Interesting thread on reddit at the moment.

Who's yours?


Note: Doesn't have to be movies and tv, like the thread icon indicates.

DaneMcCloud
06-30-2010, 03:47 PM
Satan

:evil:

Pants
06-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Master Pain aka Master Betty from Kung Pow.

Slainte
06-30-2010, 03:52 PM
Bill O'Reilly.

/closethread

Saulbadguy
06-30-2010, 03:52 PM
Satan

:evil:

Yep -gotta go with Satan as well.

irishjayhawk
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
The most interesting one I found on reddit was:

God of the Old Testament.


Still surprised someone hasn't mentioned the one that first popped into my mind.

JohninGpt
06-30-2010, 04:21 PM
Dr. Hannibal Lecter

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 04:30 PM
Darth Vader.

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 04:31 PM
Interestingly, the shark on Jaws came in at #18 on AFI's 100 Best Villians .

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 04:32 PM
This thread is so edgy and in my face right now.

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 04:32 PM
Alex on A Clockwork Orange.

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 04:33 PM
Alex on A Clockwork Orange.

I took bad guy to mean antagonist. I guess it could go either way, though.

CoMoChief
06-30-2010, 04:36 PM
Satan

DMAC
06-30-2010, 04:36 PM
Gargamel

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 04:37 PM
Sauron, Joker, Biff Tannen, "Mean" Willie Green, Amon Goeth (Not fictional, but 'fictionalized')

Frazod
06-30-2010, 04:38 PM
My personal favorites are:

Kurgan from Highlander
Top Dollar from The Crow
Hans Gruber from Die Hard
Dudley Smith from L.A. Confidential

I like villains who have embraced being evil and enjoy their work. :evil:

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Hitler.


















Wait, he was real?

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 04:42 PM
My personal favorites are:

Kurgan from Highlander
Top Dollar from The Crow
Hans Gruber from Die Hard
Dudley Smith from L.A. Confidential

I like villains who have embraced being evil and enjoy their work. :evil:

Good list. I'd leave TD off since going back and watching The Crow again made me extremely skeptical of my opinion of films from my youth. Still alright, but not nearly as good as I remembered.

Frazod
06-30-2010, 04:44 PM
Good list. I'd leave TD off since going back and watching The Crow again made me extremely skeptical of my opinion of films from my youth. Still alright, but not nearly as good as I remembered.

I love The Crow - it's in my All Time Top 5.

Slainte
06-30-2010, 04:45 PM
/reopenthreaad

Paul Hackett

/closetheread

TrickyNicky
06-30-2010, 04:47 PM
Lo Pan and the Three Storms - Big Trouble in Little China

Amnorix
06-30-2010, 04:50 PM
Hans Gruber is a good one.

I'd cite Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter as very interesting ones.

The lich, Zykon, from the online comic strip Order of the Stick, is hilariously evil.

Keyser Soze.

Wicked Witch of the West.

Norman Bates in Psycho

Two Jokers -- Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger

Magneto

Moriarty, in the Sherlock Holmes books

Morgoth, from JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings prequel, The Silmarillion

Dracula, not necessarily just from the original book, but across the many books and movies in which he is the star.

Great Expectations
06-30-2010, 04:52 PM
Dr. Hannibal Lecter

Great Character, loosely based on a couple of serial killers including Ed Gein who would wear dead people's faces as a mask.

WilliamTheIrish
06-30-2010, 04:53 PM
There is a late 70's film with Elliot Gould and Christopher Plummer called The Silent Partner where Plummer plays a great role as bank robber who is bamboozled by a bank teller after an attempted bank robbery by Plummer.

Really wish I was better at the description of this plot as it really showed what a great actor Plummer is.

Amnorix
06-30-2010, 04:56 PM
Another interesting one is the Phantom, from the Phantom of the Opera. Though the book is somewhat boring, he's an interesting character and reading the book makes you appreciate and understand him much better in the musical.

JohninGpt
06-30-2010, 04:57 PM
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/hagedorn/ming/ming9.jpg

Ming the Merciless!

WilliamTheIrish
06-30-2010, 04:58 PM
I'd also like to nominate Lawrence Olivier as the Nazi dentist from Marathon Man.

Deberg_1990
06-30-2010, 05:02 PM
Kreese and Johnny Lawrence from Karate Kid

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 05:08 PM
I'd also like to nominate Lawrence Olivier as the Nazi dentist from Marathon Man.

Hell yeah

Buck
06-30-2010, 05:10 PM
MIB
Brother Cavill
Walter White

Reaper16
06-30-2010, 05:19 PM
Paradise Lost-style Satan.

irishjayhawk
06-30-2010, 05:20 PM
Frazod finally got the first one that popped into my head. Hans Gruber.

Some other interesting ones:

Fifth Element's Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth
Marlo Stanfield from The Wire.

Buck
06-30-2010, 05:24 PM
Did anyone say the principal in Ferris Buehler's Day Off?

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-30-2010, 05:26 PM
Darth Revan--Badass Telekinesis Division
Hans Gruber--Smarmy Cocksucker Division
Ivan Drago--Evil Soviet Division
Simon Phoenix--Token Black Guy Division
Skynet--World Domination Division
Biff--Funny, Loveable, yet Hateable Division
Yautja--Giving Jesse Ventura Time to Bleed Division
John Doe--Outsmarting the Law Division
The Jackal--Killing Jack Black Division.
Patrick Bateman--Sorbet Division

OnTheWarpath58
06-30-2010, 06:16 PM
Patrick Bateman--Sorbet Division

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ezplrr.gif

Frazod
06-30-2010, 06:38 PM
Frazod finally got the first one that popped into my head. Hans Gruber.

Some other interesting ones:

Fifth Element's Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth
Marlo Stanfield from The Wire.

Good call on Captain Vidal. I knew I forgetting a biggie.

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Good call on Captain Vidal. I knew I forgetting a biggie.

This.

MoreLemonPledge
06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
Did anyone say the principal in Ferris Buehler's Day Off?

http://www.misterbg.org/blog/images/EdRooneyMugShot.jpg

Somewhat interestingly, he is a sex offender in real life. He paid a 14 year old boy to pose for explicit photos. And he was an asshole in Ferris Bueller.

/thread

Frazod
06-30-2010, 06:46 PM
When the hero thing is over, I'm going to do a similar poll series for movie villains.

Miles
06-30-2010, 07:27 PM
Noah Cross - Chinatown
Frank Booth - Blue Velvet

kysirsoze
06-30-2010, 07:29 PM
When the hero thing is over, I'm going to do a similar poll series for movie villains.

Just don't make the criteria who would win in a fight. Please.

KcMizzou
06-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Tim Curry as the devil guy in Legend. (At least visually)

KcMizzou
06-30-2010, 07:56 PM
Ledger's Joker's gotta be right up there.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-30-2010, 08:00 PM
Arthur Mitchell

Valiant
06-30-2010, 08:26 PM
http://www.misterbg.org/blog/images/EdRooneyMugShot.jpg

Somewhat interestingly, he is a sex offender in real life. He paid a 14 year old boy to pose for explicit photos. And he was an asshole in Ferris Bueller.

/thread

I really only remember him from Howard the Duck..

KcMizzou
06-30-2010, 08:28 PM
I really only remember him from Howard the Duck..All I remember about Howard the Duck, is the lead actress in panties... and duck boobs.

Valiant
06-30-2010, 08:28 PM
Just don't make the criteria who would win in a fight. Please.

But saying who is most badass is pointless.. It is strictly opinion, at least fighting hopefully someone will theorize why their guy would win a fight..


Just make sure you keep it all villians or all super-villians..

Valiant
06-30-2010, 08:29 PM
Ohh, Professor Xavier is the most evil villian of all time..

Everyone thinks he is a good guy.. Manipulating mutants and millions of humans..

Valiant
06-30-2010, 08:30 PM
Tim Curry as the devil guy in Legend. (At least visually)

Yeah Satan is hard to beat, especially Curry's Satan..

CrazyPhuD
06-30-2010, 08:59 PM
The Grue

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:03 PM
Dark Helmet

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Frazod
06-30-2010, 09:21 PM
Just don't make the criteria who would win in a fight. Please.

Don't worry, I won't.

irishjayhawk
06-30-2010, 09:23 PM
Don't worry, I won't.

Personally, I think we should seed them and have a playoff-poll bracket

Tribal Warfare
06-30-2010, 09:31 PM
The Major from Anime/Manga Hellsing

Jenson71
06-30-2010, 09:37 PM
The Wicked Witch is the epitome of villains. Mr. Potter from It's a Wonderful Life is immortal. Baby Jane, played with a perfect ugliness by Bette Davis, also needs to be mentioned.

And Catwoman, by Michelle Pfeiffer.

Buck
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
The Devil in Pick of Destiny
Posted via Mobile Device

KCinNY
06-30-2010, 10:04 PM
1. Darth Vader
2. Hans Gruber
3. Hannibal Lector (not the wuss version by Anthony Hopkins but the original played by Brian Cox in "Manhunter").

QuikSsurfer
06-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Good mentions; captain Vidal and the devil..
I want to think about my selection a bit longer

Tribal Warfare
06-30-2010, 10:47 PM
Laurence Olivier as Szell in Marathon Man is another good one

KcMizzou
06-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Louis Cyphre, from "Angel Heart"

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blaise
06-30-2010, 11:30 PM
Two from Cormac McCarthy:

The Judge from the book Blood Meridian.

Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men

Guru
06-30-2010, 11:34 PM
Stansfield from The Professional.

Hell, pretty much any bad guy role that Gary Oldman plays.

Tribal Warfare
06-30-2010, 11:36 PM
Stansfield from The Professional.

Hell, pretty much any bad guy role that Gary Oldman plays.

when he plays the villain you know it's going to be a good movie

KcMizzou
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
Stansfield from The Professional.

Hell, pretty much any bad guy role that Gary Oldman plays.I recently watched "True Romance" again. And yeah, Gary Oldman, is a badass.

Soooo many good actors in that movie.

Miles
06-30-2010, 11:44 PM
I recently watched "True Romance" again. And yeah, Gary Oldman, is a badass.

Soooo many good actors in that movie.

What's a Drexl?

If you liked Oldman in both of those you might check out Romeo is Bleeding from around the same time. It has been a while but I remember it being pretty good.

pikesome
06-30-2010, 11:47 PM
Alex on A Clockwork Orange.

You could make an arguement that Alex is the least bad guy in that movie. Stanley Kubrick's low opinon of the human race is on full display in that movie.

Jenson71
07-01-2010, 12:40 AM
For some Hitchcock:

Ray Milland's character in Dial M for Murder and Robert Walker's character in Strangers on a Train. Particularly the latter is iconic.

Buck
07-01-2010, 02:39 AM
I'm sure its already been said, but John Doe is pretty good.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-01-2010, 03:20 AM
No love for Kahn?

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Guru
07-01-2010, 03:43 AM
That got me to thinking.

The Borg.

Guru
07-01-2010, 03:45 AM
And lets not forget

Agent Smith

MoreLemonPledge
07-01-2010, 05:52 AM
Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds?

patteeu
07-01-2010, 08:19 AM
Frazod finally got the first one that popped into my head. Hans Gruber.

Some other interesting ones:

Fifth Element's Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth
Marlo Stanfield from The Wire.

You were surprised that no one came up with Hans Gruber in the first four replies?

Great Expectations
07-01-2010, 09:11 AM
Lord Voldemort
Agent Smith
Bill the Butcher
Max Zorin

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 09:12 AM
Bill O'Reilly.

/closethread

Make no mistake. He is very VERY real.

Frazod
07-01-2010, 09:13 AM
No love for Kahn?

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Wow, what a glaring oversight on my part. Khan should have absolutely been on my list. :doh!:

raybec 4
07-01-2010, 09:15 AM
The Judge from Blood Meridian

Frazod
07-01-2010, 09:16 AM
I've never ever heard of Blood Meridian. What's it about?

raybec 4
07-01-2010, 09:17 AM
I've never ever heard of Blood Meridian. What's it about?

It's a book set in Western Times about a group of scalp hunters in Mexico.

raybec 4
07-01-2010, 09:17 AM
I recently watched "True Romance" again. And yeah, Gary Oldman, is a badass.

Soooo many good actors in that movie.

He must think it's whiteboy day.

Infidel Goat
07-01-2010, 09:23 AM
Iago.

Fish
07-01-2010, 09:24 AM
Is the majority just looking up online lists or something here?

Frazod
07-01-2010, 09:29 AM
What's a Drexl?

If you liked Oldman in both of those you might check out Romeo is Bleeding from around the same time. It has been a while but I remember it being pretty good.

Speaking of Romeo Is Bleeding, that movie has a pretty damned good villain as well. Mona Demarkov is a twisted, evile bitch to the extreme.

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 09:36 AM
Iago.

FTW.

Nice.

blaise
07-01-2010, 09:42 AM
I've never ever heard of Blood Meridian. What's it about?


It's probably the most violent book I've read. Setting people on fire, killing people of all ages, cutting off ears and using them as necklaces, shooting puppies and more. The Judge seems to believe that God would want you to do all those things.
Knowing your feelings about the ending of No Country for Old Men I would advise you not to read it though.

Just to add a note- people have been talking about making this into a movie for a couple of years. At one time Ridley Scott was supposed to direct but not anymore. I don't know if it will ever be made. I don't even know how you could make it for an R rating.

Frazod
07-01-2010, 09:48 AM
It's probably the most violent book I've read. Setting people on fire, killing people of all ages, cutting off ears and using them as necklaces, shooting puppies and more. The Judge seems to believe that God would want you to do all those things.
Knowing your feelings about the ending of No Country for Old Men I would advise you not to read it though.

Just to add a note- people have been talking about making this into a movie for a couple of years. At one time Ridley Scott was supposed to direct but not anymore. I don't know if it will ever be made. I don't even know how you could make it for an R rating.

Sounds like it's something I might want to pass on. Thanks for the warning.

Molitoth
07-01-2010, 10:01 AM
http://209.150.104.196/horror/planetclown/gallery06/pennywise%20the%20dancing%20clown.jpg

MagicHef
07-01-2010, 10:02 AM
Leonard Shelby

Deberg_1990
07-01-2010, 10:11 AM
http://www.misterbg.org/blog/images/EdRooneyMugShot.jpg

Somewhat interestingly, he is a sex offender in real life. He paid a 14 year old boy to pose for explicit photos. And he was an asshole in Ferris Bueller.

/thread


heh..ironically, hes in trouble again..

http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/ferris-bueller-actor-faces-felony-charge-in-la-1559114.story?gt1=28135


LOS ANGELES (AP) -- "Ferris Bueller" actor Jeffrey Jones was charged Wednesday with failing to update his sex offender registration status, authorities said.

Jones, 63, failed to update his information with California officials after his birthday in September, Los Angeles county district attorney spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

Jail records show he was arrested by Los Angeles police on June 23 and released after posting $20,000 bail.

Jones has appeared in numerous films including "Beetlejuice" and "Sleepy Hollow," but is probably best known for playing the malevolent principal in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off."

He pleaded no contest in 2003 in Los Angeles to a
felony charge of employing a 14-year-old boy to pose for sexually explicit photos.

It is the second time the actor has been arrested for failing to keep his sex offender status current. He was arrested in Florida in 2004 for the same offense.

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 10:29 AM
http://209.150.104.196/horror/planetclown/gallery06/pennywise%20the%20dancing%20clown.jpg

Good God, man! You trying to give me a heart attack?! Take that picture DOWN!

Red Brooklyn
07-01-2010, 10:30 AM
By The By...

I'd like to throw Randall Flagg's name into the discussion.

Dicky McElephant
07-01-2010, 10:32 AM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb91/workJPP/Zeus.jpg

Ebolapox
07-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Great Character, loosely based on a couple of serial killers including Ed Gein who would wear dead people's faces as a mask.

nein.

buffalo bill was based on ed gein. not hannibal lecter.

irishjayhawk
07-01-2010, 12:48 PM
You were surprised that no one came up with Hans Gruber in the first four replies?

If by 4 you mean 12 posts, yes. I am surprised.

patteeu
07-01-2010, 01:01 PM
If by 4 you mean 12 posts, yes. I am surprised.

No, I really mean 4. Go back and count them yourself. It shouldn't take more than one hand. :Poke:

Wait... We're talking base 10 here, right?

Swanman
07-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Gotta have some Deadwood love in the thread, I nominate Francis Wolcott.

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Bowser
07-01-2010, 01:26 PM
By The By...

I'd like to throw Randall Flagg's name into the discussion.

Stole my idea.

I loved how King worked him into The Dark Tower series....

Swanman
07-01-2010, 01:26 PM
nein.

buffalo bill was based on ed gein. not hannibal lecter.

Gein was the basis for Buffalo Bill (the infatuation with wearing women's skin), Norman Bates (mommy issues) and Leatherface (same reason as Buffalo Bill).

MoreLemonPledge
07-01-2010, 03:27 PM
http://gavinf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/jafar.gif

irishjayhawk
07-01-2010, 03:29 PM
No, I really mean 4. Go back and count them yourself. It shouldn't take more than one hand. :Poke:

Wait... We're talking base 10 here, right?

Ahhhh, you misread. I thought the extra lines of nothing would sufficiently separate the thoughts.

No, the one I was referring to was the one frazod later said. Hans Gruber.

Buck
07-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Leonardo Leonardo

Demonpenz
07-01-2010, 04:10 PM
Alonzo from training day
Tim robbins in Arlington road
The goalie from the running man

crispystl420
07-01-2010, 05:41 PM
Two from Cormac McCarthy:



Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men

That's what I was going to say that guy was freakin nails!

crispystl420
07-01-2010, 05:44 PM
Kahn and Darth Vader are hard to argue with though.

Fairplay
07-01-2010, 06:19 PM
Stalin.....oops you meant fictional my bad.

I think he is one of the worst in history though.

notorious
07-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Scorpius.

JD10367
07-01-2010, 07:32 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2612/4115786109_30fe4ab6ac.jpg

Bowser
07-01-2010, 07:46 PM
CATS should probably be ranked up there.....

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KcMizzou
07-01-2010, 07:51 PM
:hmmm: Waitaminute...

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser.jpg

And just because it's cool...

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/04/28/bowser-1.jpg

Bowser
07-01-2010, 08:01 PM
I AM the villian of the story!!

patteeu
07-02-2010, 06:32 AM
Ahhhh, you misread. I thought the extra lines of nothing would sufficiently separate the thoughts.

No, the one I was referring to was the one frazod later said. Hans Gruber.

Post 1 was the original post.

Posts 2-5 were the first FOUR replies.

In post 6, you expressed surprise that no one had mentioned a certain unspecified villain who turned out to be Hans Gruber.

I'm expressing surprise that out of all the villains in the universe of fictional entertainment, you thought Hans Gruber would be included in one of the first FOUR replies. With guys like Darth Vader and Hannibal Lector around, that just seemed like a surprising expectation to me, but I leave open the possibility that your expectation was based on an understanding of the tastes of this particular audience.

Dartgod
07-02-2010, 07:57 AM
Freddy Krueger (Nightmare on Elm Street)
Jason Vorhees (Friday The 13th)
Michael Myers (Halloween)
John Ryder (Rutger Hauer in The Hitcher)

Crush
07-02-2010, 08:27 AM
Big Brother

irishjayhawk
07-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Post 1 was the original post.

Posts 2-5 were the first FOUR replies.

In post 6, you expressed surprise that no one had mentioned a certain unspecified villain who turned out to be Hans Gruber.

I'm expressing surprise that out of all the villains in the universe of fictional entertainment, you thought Hans Gruber would be included in one of the first FOUR replies. With guys like Darth Vader and Hannibal Lector around, that just seemed like a surprising expectation to me, but I leave open the possibility that your expectation was based on an understanding of the tastes of this particular audience.

Oh, well, both in my experience off the board and the reddit thread which inspired it. Hans Gruber is usually the first one mentioned.

Frazod
07-02-2010, 10:08 AM
Freddy Krueger (Nightmare on Elm Street)
Jason Vorhees (Friday The 13th)
Michael Myers (Halloween)
John Ryder (Rutger Hauer in The Hitcher)

Good call on Rutger Hauer's Hitcher (just the thought of the end of that movie creeps me out).

Hauer should also get a nod for Roy Batty in Blade Runner.

Ebolapox
07-02-2010, 08:23 PM
Gein was the basis for Buffalo Bill (the infatuation with wearing women's skin), Norman Bates (mommy issues) and Leatherface (same reason as Buffalo Bill).

repost.

Portlantis
07-02-2010, 09:41 PM
A few of my favorites:

The Monarch - Venture Bros.
Hank Scorpio - The Simpsons
Annie Wilkes - Misery
Lex Luthor - Superman (More so in the comics than in the movies)
Ozymandias - Watchmen (Again, more so the comic than the film)