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BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Greinke vs Peavy

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Solid first by Zack

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Billay cranks one

1-0

Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 07:28 PM
callaspo = FAIL

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 07:31 PM
That last foul by Callaspo about nailed a lady in the head in the row in front of me.
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petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:10 PM
Ok, how did ChiSox score?

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:13 PM
Ok, how did ChiSox score?

150 year old Omar Vizquel of all people tripled, then a single

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:15 PM
Happy birthday, Mitch!
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Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 08:16 PM
150 year old Omar Vizquel of all people tripled, then a single

I think Terrance Cody would have gotten to that ball quicker than Jose Gullien did

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:18 PM
W


T


F????!!!


Fuck you Guillen


Get his ass off the team now

petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:18 PM
WTF??? HTF do you not catch that?

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:19 PM
Goddamit Guillen!
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Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 08:20 PM
W


T


F????!!!


**** you Guillen


Get his ass off the team now

not his fault, Billy should have had that, i guess this team has no fundamentals

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:20 PM
If they're trying to showcase him in right for potential NL trade partners, it's all fail so far

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:23 PM
Zack worked around the Guillen fail, good job 23

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:23 PM
not his fault, Billy should have had that, i guess this team has no fundamentals
That was Getz, not Billy. And it looked like Guillen called him off.
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Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 08:26 PM
That was Getz, not Billy. And it looked like Guillen called him off.
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or maybe Kendall should have had it lol

petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:26 PM
Bunt to the 3rd base side...GOD DAMN!

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:27 PM
That was Getz, not Billy. And it looked like Guillen called him off.
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Cross thread humor, check Guillen's comments in the repository thread

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:28 PM
Double steal :clap:

petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:30 PM
Thanks Kendall.....dumbass

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:32 PM
Grand salami, Guillen.
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BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:33 PM
Come on trade bait

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:33 PM
Fuck

All trade value gone in one game

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:33 PM
Booooooooooooooo!
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siberian khatru
06-30-2010, 08:34 PM
Way to have your bat back up your big mouth, jackass.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:42 PM
Damn, gotta plate him

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:43 PM
Callaspo!

2-1

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:44 PM
Woooooo hooooooo!!
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Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 08:45 PM
funny we are moving runners over, besides Gullien

petegz28
06-30-2010, 08:49 PM
well, extra base hits = runs scored.....who'd a thunk?

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 08:53 PM
How sad is it when you see a play by Yuni that pretty much any ML shortstop makes without breaking a sweat, and think "great play"

siberian khatru
06-30-2010, 08:54 PM
Zack in a groove

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 08:54 PM
Nice 8 pitch inning for Zack.
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BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:01 PM
Billay!

4-1

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:01 PM
Wow. We just got Rick-Rolled during the pitching change.
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Oso
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
Oh shit! Fluff that pillow, Guillen!

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
Hell yeah!
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Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
o shit, Jose

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:07 PM
7-1

siberian khatru
06-30-2010, 09:07 PM
Hahahaha.

"Fug you, Cheefs Panet!"

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:09 PM
Nice to see Jose go yard

tk13
06-30-2010, 09:10 PM
Looks like somebody read CP between at-bats.

Oso
06-30-2010, 09:11 PM
Damn.

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:18 PM
What the Hell, Zack?
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KCUnited
06-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Jesus fuck.

Oso
06-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Well fuck.

Bowser
06-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Zach is officially out of gas.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Wow, Zack just got worke dover

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:20 PM
Good-fucking-God
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BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:21 PM
Dammit 7-6

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Well, this one is squarely on Zack, he had a 6 run lead...can't say the offense didn't come through

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
Zach is officially out of gas.


With a six run fucking lead he should have never went out for the 8th no matter what the fucking pitch count.

siberian khatru
06-30-2010, 09:23 PM
Lose some focus there, Zack?

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:24 PM
Zack just wanted to make sure Soria got some work tonight.

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:24 PM
It's a good thing stats don't mean anything to Zack because he just fucked himself with whatever that was you would call that in the 8th.

Oso
06-30-2010, 09:25 PM
At least Soria gets to fuck some White Sock ass, now.

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:26 PM
At least Soria gets to **** some White Sock ass, now.

You have seen Soria pitch this year, right? He is far from a sure thing.

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:27 PM
With a six run fucking lead he should have never went out for the 8th no matter what the fucking pitch count.

Get serious dude. He only had 86 pitches. If the bullpen had blown the lead, you'd be livid.
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Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 09:29 PM
WTF happened? I walk away from the t.v. when it's 7-1. When i come back a few minutes later it's 7-6.

:cuss:

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Get serious dude. He only had 86 pitches. If the bullpen had blown the lead, you'd be livid.
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Yost says that he counts "troubles" for pitchers, and he claims they rarely get out of the third "trouble" (read: high stress or high-leverage situation).

How many "troubles" has Zach had tonight? If he's been cruising, then Yost was probably caught off-guard. If Greinke had survived a few jams, Yost would be going against his own advice if he didn't have someone up working.

"Troubles" > pitch count, according to our manager.

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Get serious dude. He only had 86 pitches. If the bullpen had blown the lead, you'd be livid.
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Plenty of manager's pull there ace in a meaningless game with a big lead. I could not be more serious that I would have pulled him. Tejeda is pitching lights out and could have finished the game.

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Kendall = damn near an automatic out.

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:32 PM
Plenty of manager's pull there ace in a meaningless game with a big lead. I could not be more serious that I would have pulled him. Tejeda is pitching lights out and could have finished the game.
Your and idiot.
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OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Yost says that he counts "troubles" for pitchers, and he claims they rarely get out of the third "trouble" (read: high stress or high-leverage situation).

How many "troubles" has Zach had tonight? If he's been cruising, then Yost was probably caught off-guard. If Greinke had survived a few jams, Yost would be going against his own advice if he didn't have someone up working.

"Troubles" > pitch count, according to our manager.


He had not been in much trouble at all. I just see no need for the extra pitches when the bully has been money as of late and this is a meaningless game in another meaningless year.

alnorth
06-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Plenty of manager's pull there ace in a meaningless game with a big lead. I could not be more serious that I would have pulled him. Tejeda is pitching lights out and could have finished the game.

some managers are fools, too. You dont pull Zack when he's cruising in great pitch-count with a 6-run lead. No one is blaming Yost now, but we'd be screaming for blood if the bullpen coughed up 5.

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:35 PM
some managers are fools, too. You dont pull Zack when he's cruising in great pitch-count with a 6-run lead. No one is blaming Yost now, but we'd be screaming for blood if the bullpen coughed up 5.

And you all would be bitching had Zack choked up the lead.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:35 PM
Soria better have it tonight

Bowser
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Zach had a 50K bet in Vegas that Soria would have 20 saves by the All Star break. He's just doing what he can to help that become a reality.

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Paging Dr. Filthy McNasty.
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Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 09:37 PM
Plenty of manager's pull there ace in a meaningless game with a big lead. I could not be more serious that I would have pulled him. Tejeda is pitching lights out and could have finished the game.
that's just silly, you can't blame Yost for not pulling Grienke. If he HAD pulled Grienke with 85 pitches and the bullpen has given anything up at all people would of been screaming for his head.

Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 09:37 PM
its time for the Mexicutioner

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:37 PM
Too close

1 out

Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
nice catch guillen .... now pull him for a defensive sub :)

KCUnited
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
ring, ring...hello, Dayton Moore speaking...

Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
you gotta give Jose props for that play

Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
DDJ should be in RF now under the guise of Guillen being shaken up.

hehe

Bowser
06-30-2010, 09:39 PM
Wow, nice effort from Guillen in the field.

REPEAT - Nice effort by Guillen in the field.

Dartgod
06-30-2010, 09:39 PM
And you all would be bitching had Zack choked up the lead.

I'd be bitching at Zack, not Yost.

Your still and idiot.
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BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Ballgame

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Nice. Guillen had a big game tonight.

Mr. Laz
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
die jizzsox, die!!! :cuss:



Royals Win, Royals Win!!!

PBJ

Oso
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Yay.

Bowser
06-30-2010, 09:41 PM
HOW DOES OUR ASS TASTE, OZZIE?

alnorth
06-30-2010, 09:41 PM
And you all would be bitching had Zack choked up the lead.

perhaps, but it would be disappointment at Zack. Yost leaving Zack in to start the inning and then to try to work out of a jam while the bullpen threw behind him was thoroughly understandable.

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:45 PM
I'd be bitching at Zack, not Yost.

Your still and idiot.
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A man your age that has nothing better to do than call a random internet message board poster names is really sad.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 09:46 PM
There was no problem running zack back out there. He just got stung by a couple singles and then a good hit. Shit happens. He probably threw more hittable pitches with a 6 run lead thinking his defense would help him out. The Sox got a couple lucky hits off of him then a big one. Shit happens.

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 09:47 PM
this is a meaningless game in another meaningless year.

I don't agree with the former. We needed to win the series. If we're ever going to be worth a shit, there's going to have to be a slow ascent. This team won't go from complete garbage to a contender overnight.

TB was a bit of an aberration b/c of the amount of talent.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-30-2010, 09:51 PM
Nice. Guillen had a big game tonight.

Meh, he was absolute ass early in the game but did redeem himself later. I'd call it a push

Mr. Arrowhead
06-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Meh, he was absolute ass early in the game but did redeem himself later. I'd call it a push

I disagree, im a Jose hater just like the next guy, but without him tonight, we would have lost this game

OmahaChief
06-30-2010, 09:59 PM
I don't agree with the former. We needed to win the series. If we're ever going to be worth a shit, there's going to have to be a slow ascent. This team won't go from complete garbage to a contender overnight.

TB was a bit of an aberration b/c of the amount of talent.

You hit the nail on the head with the talent of TB. The only way this season is not meaningless is if we make the playoffs or make enough of an improvement that tier one free agent talent wants to come here. The problem with this is I am not sure how invested ownership will be after the retrun on investment of some of our recent FA pickups.

Until the core of young guys is in KC I don't think winning a game or series is really going to propel the team towards the league title. If that young core was here I would agree but we have a team of vets of career minor leaguers promoted as stop gap players on the roster.

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 10:07 PM
Until the core of young guys is in KC I don't think winning a game or series is really going to propel the team towards the league title. If that young core was here I would agree but we have a team of vets of career minor leaguers promoted as stop gap players on the roster.

You're absolutely right that this team is loaded with scrubs, but we need to get to a certain level of respectability/mediocrity before the wave of young players advance. It's unrealistic to expect a bunch of n00bs to raise a putrid club to contenders. If we could be around .500ish, however, then it's easier to see the team taking the next step.

The last thing we need is for Hosmer, Moosetacos, Colon, etc. to be staring at a seemingly insurmountable obstacle.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 10:13 PM
You're absolutely right that this team is loaded with scrubs, but we need to get to a certain level of respectability/mediocrity before the wave of young players advance. It's unrealistic to expect a bunch of n00bs to raise a putrid club to contenders. If we could be around .500ish, however, then it's easier to see the team taking the next step.

The last thing we need is for Hosmer, Moosetacos, Colon, etc. to be staring at a seemingly insurmountable obstacle.

Agreed. Noobs need to be allowed to be noobs when they are called up. Not looked upon to carry the team.

Sure-Oz
06-30-2010, 10:16 PM
Nice win against a hot team and won the series. What happend to zack, how did he take a shit in the 8th

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 10:21 PM
Nice win against a hot team and won the series. What happend to zack, how did he take a shit in the 8th

Combination of poor luck and running out of gas. Basically only one hard hit ball.

petegz28
06-30-2010, 10:21 PM
Nice win against a hot team and won the series. What happend to zack, how did he take a shit in the 8th

I think he relazed a little with a 6 run lead. Threw more pitches that were hittable as opposed to trying to strike out everyone. Shit happens.

Sure-Oz
06-30-2010, 10:24 PM
I see that guillen made a great play too, damn i want to see it

DeezNutz
06-30-2010, 10:27 PM
I see that guillen made a great play too, damn i want to see it

His post-game interview was pretty funny, too.

"It was a great catch...I still got it...I can play outfield."

Said something about silencing the people who say he can't play in the field.

LetsSignRussell
07-01-2010, 07:09 PM
What is a dead ball? The hands are part of a person's body. If a pitch hits the batter's hands the ball is dead

BigChiefFan
07-01-2010, 07:17 PM
I know this won't be popular, but I'd like to see us try and re-sign Guillen, unless we can get some upper-echelon picks in exchange for a trade. Meche is who I'd let walk without re-signing.

DeezNutz
07-01-2010, 07:31 PM
I know this won't be popular, but I'd like to see us try and re-sign Guillen, unless we can get some upper-echelon picks in exchange for a trade. Meche is who I'd let walk without re-signing.

Dollars and years?

Bowser
07-01-2010, 07:35 PM
I know this won't be popular, but I'd like to see us try and re-sign Guillen, unless we can get some upper-echelon picks in exchange for a trade. Meche is who I'd let walk without re-signing.

No, unless he's willing to play for 3 mil/yr or less.

BigChiefFan
07-01-2010, 07:42 PM
Dollars and years?
I'm not even sure what he makes now, so dollars would be a huge guess. Probably in the $7 million to $11 million per year range. I would say a 2-3 year deal would be reasonable and still give the team some security should he falter. we're already willing to eat some of his contract, according to rumors. I think he's one of the best hitters we've had since Muser's watch and should be paid accordingly. At some point we need to keep the quality guys and add to them, instead of taking the cheap-ass approach. Roll the dice and pay the players that PRODUCE.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-01-2010, 07:43 PM
I know this won't be popular, but I'd like to see us try and re-sign Guillen, unless we can get some upper-echelon picks in exchange for a trade. Meche is who I'd let walk without re-signing.



Agree on Meche, but he's still signed through next year and has zero trade value so we're pretty much stuck with him

tk13
07-01-2010, 07:46 PM
Guillen plays better when he's got a contract to play for. I could see Meche coming back and being a productive pitcher at some point if a manager keeps him from throwing 120 pitches a game. Meche is only 31.

BigChiefFan
07-01-2010, 07:47 PM
Agree on Meche, but he's still signed through next year and has zero trade value so we're stuck with himOrdinarily, I would agree with that approach, but at this point, I think the team needs to make a statment to the league and players in particular, that they are commited to keeping players that produce. Letting the talent walk, screams cheap, to prospective free agents, in my book. Time for the team to put up or shut-up.

CaliforniaChief
07-01-2010, 07:48 PM
I'm not even sure what he makes now, so dollars would be a huge guess. Probably in the $7 million to $11 million per year range. I would say a 2-3 year deal would be reasonable and still give the team some security should he falter. we're already willing to eat some of his contract, according to rumors. I think he's one of the best hitters we've had since Muser's watch and should be paid accordingly. At some point we need to keep the quality guys and add to them, instead of taking the cheap-ass approach. Roll the dice and pay the players that PRODUCE.

That's way too much money for him. While capable of going on the occasional tear, he is driving by money. If we give him that kind of contract, he'll literally pull his hamstring jogging to the bank to cash his first check.

I'd let him walk.

Bowser
07-01-2010, 07:49 PM
And you don't make Guillen a priority to come back, unless you're looking to trade the like of Kila or Gordon, which they better not be thinking about.

tk13
07-01-2010, 07:50 PM
Ordinarily, I would agree with that approach, but at this point, I think the team needs to make a statment to the league and players in particular, that they are commited to keeping players that produce. Letting the talent walk, screams cheap, to prospective free agents, in my book. Time for the team to put up or shut-up.

When is the last time this team let somebody good walk? This team hasn't been like that in 6 years. We signed Greinke, DeJesus, and Soria to long term extensions. We gave Guillen $13 million a year and now he's finally living up to it once he's on the trade block.

tk13
07-01-2010, 07:51 PM
Ordinarily, I would agree with that approach, but at this point, I think the team needs to make a statment to the league and players in particular, that they are commited to keeping players that produce. Letting the talent walk, screams cheap, to prospective free agents, in my book. Time for the team to put up or shut-up.

When is the last time this team let somebody good walk? We signed Greinke, DeJesus, and Soria to long term extensions. We gave Guillen $12 million a year and now he's finally living up to it once he's on the trade block.

BillSelfsTrophycase
07-01-2010, 07:58 PM
It's probably a moot point anyway, he doesn't sound like he wants to be here:

"This organization when I came here, it was not what I thought it was going to be, The atmosphere. I was expecting a lot of fire and winning attitude. And it wasn't any of that. None of that. I tried to say some things and do some things to change the atmosphere and then people went 'Oh, here goes Jose Guillen again.' But, hey, I don't like to babysit guys. You try to tell young guys some things, they get their feelings hurt. That's Little League stuff."

"Fundamentally, this is one of the worst teams in all of baseball. This is true, I've been here for three years. I know everything that's going on . We're one of the worst teams fundamentally. Why do we get 14 or 15 hits and we score one or two runs. How does that happen? Lack of concentration. Lack of being smart. Players think it's all about hitting home runs. Drive in runs. That's what will get them paid instead of moving the runner or getting the guy to second. I just don't see that respect for the game, moving the runners. The team I really admire is the Minnesota Twins. They do that so well. I love when we play them because that's what I want our guys to see. They (the Twins) are the smartest team in all of baseball. Them and the Angels. They do all the little things so well." (no word on how playing a guy in RF who can barely get around effects fundamentals)

"Respect for the game has been lost. That pisses me off. When you get older, you like to be around guys with winning attitudes and winning atmospheres."


BTW Jose, you're guilty of EVERYTHING you're bitching about in that little rant

BigChiefFan
07-01-2010, 08:00 PM
Again..."I know this won't be popular"

He's playing lights out. I think he'll continue to tear it up. I stated originally, that UNLESS we can get some top tier prospects, I'd rather see us keep him. Take the draft pick/s. Again, we're willing to eat some of the contract now, what's the difference of risking a little more for a possibilty that he continues to tear it up? I'll take the risk versus reward. His price tag isn't breaking the bank considering his production.

Bowser
07-01-2010, 08:07 PM
Again..."I know this won't be popular"

He's playing lights out. I think he'll continue to tear it up. I stated originally, that UNLESS we can get some top tier prospects, I'd rather see us keep him. Take the draft pick/s. Again, we're willing to eat some of the contract now, what's the difference of risking a little more for a possibilty that he continues to tear it up? I'll take the risk versus reward. His price tag isn't breaking the bank considering his production.He's definitely playing at a level above what he has played at since being here, but as has been pointed out, he's ussually apt to try a little harder in a contract year.

This will be a good experiment - let's see what Jose does NEXT year, be it here or somewhere else, when he gets his 4 yr/55 mil contrat.

And no offense, BCF, but this is what Royals fans have become. We see a guy do "better" on this team, and don't realize that "better" for this team is usually slightly below average for the rest of the league. I've been guilty of it too, and certainly am not hating on you to want productive players, but Guillen is not worth the money nor the effort, especially with the kids we got motoring through our system.

DeezNutz
07-01-2010, 09:34 PM
1 year, $5M. Tops.

If Guillen accepts, fine. If he balks, he walks. Which would be a novelty.

SnakeXJones
07-01-2010, 09:38 PM
I like to see if Guillen without kevin seitzer help cause seitzer has done an amazing job I wouldnt doubt that he has help guillen tons

jbwm89
07-02-2010, 12:36 AM
Again..."I know this won't be popular"

He's playing lights out. I think he'll continue to tear it up. I stated originally, that UNLESS we can get some top tier prospects, I'd rather see us keep him. Take the draft pick/s. Again, we're willing to eat some of the contract now, what's the difference of risking a little more for a possibilty that he continues to tear it up? I'll take the risk versus reward. His price tag isn't breaking the bank considering his production.

I like Guillen and hate this idea. If we were a year away from contending or even coming close im on board but we are 2 at least.

CaliforniaChief
07-02-2010, 12:49 AM
1 year, $5M. Tops.

If Guillen accepts, fine. If he balks, he walks. Which would be a novelty.

ROFL

That one made me literally LOL.

BWillie
07-02-2010, 01:13 AM
I'm ready for next year w/ Kila, Gordon, & Moose. I really think when Gordon comes back he's going to be a .280 25 hr guy. Too bad we have no pitchers worth a shit in the minors. Aaron Crow is sucking complete swamp ass.

WilliamTheIrish
07-02-2010, 07:36 AM
1 year, $5M. Tops.

If Guillen accepts, fine. If he balks, he walks. Which would be a novelty.

Exactly. Invest a minimal amount. If he leaves? You've lost nothing but a clubhouse tumor. If he stays you risk him sulking when he doesn't get his way.

ChiTown
07-02-2010, 08:54 AM
It's probably a moot point anyway, he doesn't sound like he wants to be here:




BTW Jose, you're guilty of EVERYTHING you're bitching about in that little rant

+1

If that cocksucker had done half of what he was complaining about, I'd only be half as pissed about the fact that we actually signed this douchebag........

:D

DeezNutz
07-02-2010, 08:59 AM
Hey, lay off our ultra-productive Guillen. In '08 and '09, he was worth a collective -16 RAR at the plate, but this year he's 17 RAR.

It's almost like we wouldn't know we'd never signed him if we'd never seen him.

So I can totally understand why someone would want to throw another fat contract at him. Because when you can flush a shit ton of money down the drain for a replacement-level player (at best), you simply have to make that move.