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Lzen
07-01-2010, 02:46 PM
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blaise
07-01-2010, 03:09 PM
It's on FOX therefore it isn't real.

petegz28
07-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Funny how the DOJ called the case "baseless" yet a court found otherwise.

petegz28
07-01-2010, 06:54 PM
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petegz28
07-01-2010, 06:57 PM
Also, for the DOJ to call the lawyer a conservative and therefore imply a racist motive is pure fucking bullshit.

Lzen
07-01-2010, 10:39 PM
It's on FOX therefore it isn't real.

Do you believe that or are you just being sarcastic? Frankly, I don't know because I have seen other moronic comments like that in this forum.

blaise
07-01-2010, 11:45 PM
Do you believe that or are you just being sarcastic? Frankly, I don't know because I have seen other moronic comments like that in this forum.

No, I was just being sarcastic. Not that I haven't made moronic comments here in complete seriousness.

T-post Tom
07-01-2010, 11:50 PM
Run Whitey Run!

mikey23545
07-02-2010, 12:40 AM
We live in terrifying times...

Things are rapidly slipping away from us, and no one seems able to stop it...

T-post Tom
07-02-2010, 12:50 AM
You have to admire Fox's effectiveness at pandering to its base. Rupert knows his shit.

(Sidenote: I prefer brunettes, but hot blondes talking politics on Fox gives me serious wood.)

lostcause
07-02-2010, 03:23 AM
Considering that Fox won't even dignify itself as a genuine journalistic news source, why would you really take anything on the network seriously?

blaise
07-02-2010, 05:51 AM
Considering that Fox won't even dignify itself as a genuine journalistic news source, why would you really take anything on the network seriously?

And there you go.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 06:15 AM
You guys just hate Obama because he's black.

Lzen
07-02-2010, 09:41 AM
Considering that Fox won't even dignify itself as a genuine journalistic news source, why would you really take anything on the network seriously?

Did you even watch the vids? Megan Kelly is fair. And one of the people she interviewed formerly worked for Jimmy Carter. But, of course, you wouldn't know that because you automatically attack the source rather than actually watch with an open mind. :shake:

InChiefsHell
07-08-2010, 07:08 AM
Considering that Fox won't even dignify itself as a genuine journalistic news source, why would you really take anything on the network seriously?

You truly have a very apt user name...:shake:

patteeu
07-08-2010, 07:17 AM
Funny how the DOJ called the case "baseless" yet a court found otherwise.

Not to defend the administration here because I think they were seriously in the wrong, but this isn't really as inconsistent as it appears to you. The court found otherwise only because the New Black Panther dudes didn't show up to defend themselves so the government got what's called a default judgment. In other words, the government didn't have a very high hurdle here.

Lzen
07-10-2010, 10:56 AM
Interview with Black Panther leader part 1
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Interview with Black Panther leader part 2 (it gets good). This guy is a total hypocrite (and racist, to boot).
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Lzen
07-10-2010, 10:57 AM
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Pioli Zombie
07-10-2010, 12:41 PM
More whites whining.

Baby Lee
07-10-2010, 12:46 PM
More whites whining.

Someone go'n kill yo baybee.

melbar
07-10-2010, 12:59 PM
The other top "news" networks arent even reporting it. Sure have a lot of Lindsey Lohan. Way more important than blatant racist voter intimidation being defended by the administration that benefited.

petegz28
07-10-2010, 01:00 PM
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This guy makes an excellent point about how there is this notion that only white people can be racist. I would take it a step further and say those who think would also entertain the notion that only non-decmorat white can be racist.

I have never refused interacting with someone who is black simply because they are black. I have had black people refuse to interact with me simply because I am white. It's pretty sad but to each their own. That is not to say there aren't white people who are racist. Sure there are. But there are black people who are just as racist.

Baby Lee
07-10-2010, 01:02 PM
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healthpellets
07-10-2010, 04:26 PM
Religion of Peace.

Just amazing.

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Bwana
07-10-2010, 09:31 PM
Considering that Fox won't even dignify itself as a genuine journalistic news source, why would you really take anything on the network seriously?

LMAO

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The Mad Crapper
07-10-2010, 10:15 PM
I don't know what the big deal is, the President of the United States crawled out from under the same rock.

lostcause
07-11-2010, 02:15 AM
It is what it is. I may not know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it. I know good and bad journalism when I see it. It doesn't matter where it hits. How come NONE of the shit quoted comes from the BBC or NPR? Its always FOXFOXFOXFOX... I mean really? Are you too in tune with the beautiful spins they place on things that mirror your thinking to make it amazing? You want to attack me for calling out fox, fine. Then start watching legit news sources and quoting them on this board to make your point.

ClevelandBronco
07-11-2010, 02:24 AM
It is what it is. I may not know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it. I know good and bad journalism when I see it. It doesn't matter where it hits. How come NONE of the shit quoted comes from the BBC or NPR? Its always FOXFOXFOXFOX... I mean really? Are you too in tune with the beautiful spins they place on things that mirror your thinking to make it amazing? You want to attack me for calling out fox, fine. Then start watching legit news sources and quoting them on this board to make your point.

You talk a good game. Somewhere your journalism teacher (who never actually worked a day in the business, but taught the subject anyway) is very proud of you. But you're hopelessly naive if you think there's much of a difference in the way any of the popular news outlets operate.

lostcause
07-11-2010, 02:29 AM
You talk a good game. Somewhere your journalism teacher (who never actually worked a day in the business, but taught the subject anyway) is very proud of you. But you're hopelessly naive if you think there's much of a difference in the way any of the popular news outlets operate.

But I'm not.

edit: npr and the bbc? I'm not even talking about competing programming here.

Bwana
07-11-2010, 07:58 AM
You want to attack me for calling out fox, fine. Then start watching legit news sources and quoting them on this board to make your point.

No problem.

Please provide a link to the same story on one of your so called "legit sources" and I will read it, fair enough?

*Turns on Jeopardy music and waits*

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mlyonsd
07-11-2010, 08:41 AM
It is what it is. I may not know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it. I know good and bad journalism when I see it. It doesn't matter where it hits. How come NONE of the shit quoted comes from the BBC or NPR? Its always FOXFOXFOXFOX... I mean really? Are you too in tune with the beautiful spins they place on things that mirror your thinking to make it amazing? You want to attack me for calling out fox, fine. Then start watching legit news sources and quoting them on this board to make your point.

Is this a schtick or are you really this lost?

Baby Lee
07-11-2010, 09:11 AM
Is this a schtick or are you really this lost?

You see, criticism of journalistic standards is an all powerful weapon, it is just as powerful when what's being discussed is video footage of someone acting an ass, and the head of his organization tries unsuccessfully to weasel around it in an interview. Bad journalism can bend sound and light so that what you see and hear first person is inaccurate.

patteeu
07-11-2010, 09:54 AM
It is what it is. I may not know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it. I know good and bad journalism when I see it. It doesn't matter where it hits. How come NONE of the shit quoted comes from the BBC or NPR? Its always FOXFOXFOXFOX... I mean really? Are you too in tune with the beautiful spins they place on things that mirror your thinking to make it amazing? You want to attack me for calling out fox, fine. Then start watching legit news sources and quoting them on this board to make your point.

Maybe you should ask yourself a similar question. Why aren't these things being reported on nonFOX?

I was listening to a non-conservative talk show this morning and the host had to audacity to claim that the old Black Panther Party was an unobjectionable group devoted to social justice. WTF? This is how too many on your side think and that's the answer to my original question.

mlyonsd
07-11-2010, 11:02 AM
You see, criticism of journalistic standards is an all powerful weapon, it is just as powerful when what's being discussed is video footage of someone acting an ass, and the head of his organization tries unsuccessfully to weasel around it in an interview. Bad journalism can bend sound and light so that what you see and hear first person is inaccurate.

Bad journalism is also looking at video footage and deciding not to report on it because you're either afraid of the backlash it might cause to you or your political image.

We all know Fox is biased just as there are other media outlets that lean the other way. I think the two opposing media viewpoints are a good thing. But pointing out bias is one thing, disregarding the accuracy of a news story soley on who is doing the reporting is silly, stupid, and should be mocked.

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 11:30 AM
just for fun, you should check out http://www.newblackpanther.com/newsite/102.html

here are some highlights.

We believe that since the white man has kept us deaf, dumb and blind, and used every dirty trick in the book to stand in the way of our freedom and independence, that we should be gainfully employed until such time we can employ and provide for ourselves.

We want tax exemption and an end to robbery of THE BLACK NATION by the CAPITALIST.

We believe that this wicked racist government has robbed us, and now we are demanding the overdue debt of reparations.

We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings, free health-care (preventive and maintenance).

We want all Black Men and Black Women to be exempt from military service.
We believe that Black People should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that holds us captive and does not protect us.

We want freedom for all Black Men and Black Women held in international, military, federal, state, county, city jails and prisons.

We believe that all Black People and people of color should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial. Released means released to the lawful authorities of the Black Nation.

We want all Black People when brought to trial to be tried in a court by a jury of their peer group or people from their Black Communities, as defined by white law of the Constitution of the United States.

We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace. And, as our political objective, we want NATIONAL LIBERATION in a separate state or territory of our own, here or elsewhere, a liberated zone (New Africa or Africa)

I'd totally agree with the last one.

But the entire political philosophy is based on "we want" and "give us". There seems to be a true absence of personal responsibility throughout the entire document.

It's truly scary that a group that is so militaristic as this, and that publicly displays such a racist attitude, is allowed to thrive unchecked by the MSM.

orange
07-11-2010, 11:51 AM
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007020021

Perez cited Bush-era DOJ decision not to prosecute similar case

Perez: "[T]he Department declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation" in 2006. In the very testimony Kelly cited, Perez highlighted a case that completely undermines the notion that the DOJ's decisions in the Black Panthers case were unprecedented or racially motivated. Perez testified that in 2006, the Justice Department "declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation" "when three well-known anti-immigrant advocates affiliated with the Minutemen, one of whom was carrying a gun, allegedly intimidated Latino voters at a polling place by approaching several persons, filming them, and advocating and printing voting materials in Spanish." [U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 5/14/10]


http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/23/the-black-panther-case-a-legacy-of-politicized-hiring/


FOX is the only one covering this because it's been their story from the very beginning.

I’m Just a Media Guy

On election day in November 2008, a call came into the Philadelphia office of the John McCain for President campaign. Two black men in military-style fatigues and berets were standing outside a polling station. One of them was carrying a nightstick.

Stephen Robert Morse, a young freelance journalist who’d been hired by the local Republican Party to document potential irregularities at the polls, jumped in a car and sped to the apartment building at 1221 Fairmount Street, in a majority black neighborhood of Philadelphia.


“Dude, you got my back?” Morse said to a companion. He walked toward the two members of the New Black Panthers and began speaking for his video.

“Hi, I’m here at 1221 Fairmount in Philadelphia and there’s a guy with a billy club right here,” Morse said. “So, do we have any problems here? What’s going on? Everything okay?”

“Everything’s fine,” said Minister King Samir Shabazz, the Black Panther holding the night stick.

“Okay, I’m just, I’m just making sure,” Morse said.

Shabazz asked Morse to identify himself.

“I’m just a media guy,” Morse said. “I’m with the University of Pennsylvania. Who are you with? Sorry?”

“Ah … security,” Shabazz said. “Just wondering why everybody’s taking pictures, that’s all.”

“I think it may be a little intimidating that you have a stick in your hand, that’s all. I mean, that’s a weapon. I mean, I’m a concerned citizen,” Morse said.

“So are we. That’s why we’re here.”

“Okay, but you have a nightstick.”

“So what? You have a camera phone.”

“I have a camera phone, which is not a weapon,” Morse said.

Only 34 whites live in Precinct 4 in Philadelphia out of a total population of 970, according to census data. But there was a sea of white faces there that day, mainly Republican lawyers who’d come to monitor the polling station in what, since the disputed 2000 presidential election, has become an election-day ritual for both parties.

Jerry Jackson, accused in a lawsuit by the Bush DOJ of intimidating voters, was also a certified Democratic poll watcher. (National Geographic)
One of the white Republican poll watchers called police, and the nightstick-wielding Shabazz was shooed away without apparent incident. The other Black Panther, Jerry Jackson, who’d been issued a poll watching certificate by the Philadelphia County Board of Elections, remained.

Although both Shabazz and Jackson had been recorded in an earlier National Geographic documentary calling whites “cracker” and other derogatory terms, no racial epithets were recorded on Morse’s video in Philadelphia.

Then Fox News arrived.

Fox reporter Rick Leventhal interviewed an unidentified Republican poll watcher who told of a more racially charged scene.

The Black Panthers “told us not to come outside, because a black man is going to win this election no matter what,” the unidentified Republican poll watcher said on the Fox camera. “So, as I came back outside to see, the nightstick turns around and says, you know, ‘We’re tired of white supremacy,’ and starts tapping the nightstick in his hand.”

Fox reporter Rick Leventhal said: “The Black Panthers were there to intimidate white voters from coming to this polling location?”

“Or anyone who’s in their way. You know, I don’t know. A guy standing in front of a polling place with a night stick is a factor for all voters. Maybe little old ladies don’t want to walk through that,” the Republican poll watcher said.

The video that Morse made was uploaded to YouTube through a Web site called electionjournal.org, run by a Republican operative named Mike Roman.

Later that evening, Barack Obama won the election, becoming the nation’s first African-American president.

On YouTube, viewers started clicking Morse’s video. It eventually logged more than a 1.2 million views.


This MIGHT get more coverage if it ever amounts to anything beyond J. Christian Adams' whining.

Adams: "I don't know. I wasn't there." As Media Matters documented, in the portion of the interview that aired on June 30, Adams' allegations relied on hearsay and charges made by others, rather than firsthand knowledge. Adams repeatedly acknowledged that he was not present to witness the events he cited to back up his claims. For instance, Adams alleged that DOJ attorney Chris Coates "actually threw" a memo at attorney Steve Rosenbaum for not reading memos on the Black Panther case. When Kelly asked, "What was the response?" Adams responded: "I don't know. I wasn't there." Kelly also said that the Justice Department told Fox that Adams "distorts the facts and makes baseless allegations to promote his ... agenda." In addition, Kelly reported on June 30, "Another source close to the case telling one of our producers that Christian Adams is a conservative who has made willful misstatements in this interview."

Was there an actual victim, for example? You know - an "intimidated voter."

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 12:23 PM
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007020021

Was there an actual victim, for example? You know - an "intimidated voter."

are you SERIOUS? like, for real? you're telling me that if the KKK or some skin heads showed up at a polling place, with or without weapons, that you would say that it's okay as long as there wasn't an "actual victim"?

this isn't about black, white, or mexican. this is about American citizens being able to walk in to a polling place with the peace of mind that they won't be harassed or abused upon exit by some extremist hate group. it's about being able to cast your vote without the image of some men with weapons dressed in paramilitary gear standing outside the polling place.

and if you don't get that, then i can't help you.

orange
07-11-2010, 12:36 PM
are you SERIOUS? like, for real? you're telling me that if the KKK or some skin heads showed up at a polling place, with or without weapons, that you would say that it's okay as long as there wasn't an "actual victim"?

this isn't about black, white, or mexican. this is about American citizens being able to walk in to a polling place with the peace of mind that they won't be harassed or abused upon exit by some extremist hate group. it's about being able to cast your vote without the image of some men with weapons dressed in paramilitary gear standing outside the polling place.

and if you don't get that, then i can't help you.

No one was harassed or abused. NO ONE. There are NO COMPLAINANTS.

If you don't get that, then I can't help you.

p.s. I guess you didn't even bother to glance at the other example up there - where nativists showed up with a GUN at a poll in Arizona - and the case was dropped, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

ClevelandBronco
07-11-2010, 12:40 PM
But I'm not.

edit: npr and the bbc? I'm not even talking about competing programming here.

Yes. NPR and the BBC as well.

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 12:44 PM
No one was harassed or abused. NO ONE. There are NO COMPLAINANTS.

If you don't get that, then I can't help you.

p.s. I guess you didn't even bother to glance at the other example up there - where nativists showed up with a GUN at a poll in Arizona - and the case was dropped, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

so you're saying that the NBPP showing up with weapons at a polling place is okay?

and that any hate group should be allowed to stand in front of a polling place with weapons?

as long as no one officially reports a complaint, of course.

because that's what it sounds like to me, and that's seriously effed up.

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 12:47 PM
p.s. I guess you didn't even bother to glance at the other example up there - where nativists showed up with a GUN at a poll in Arizona - and the case was dropped, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

that has no relevance. those dudes with guns shouldn't have been there either.

this isn't a political issue.

regardless of whatever political beliefs one holds, it shouldn't be hard to recognize that intimidating men with weapons shouldn't be standing out side of polling places.

orange
07-11-2010, 12:50 PM
that has no relevance. those dudes with guns shouldn't have been there either.


It has ALL THE RELEVANCE IN THE WORLD.

Thread title:

Voter Intimidation? I guess this kinda racism does not apply if it is done to whites


Two cases - one whites, one blacks - same disposition. SAME disposition.


There IS one big difference, of course. FAUXNEWS isn't trumpeting one of them.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 01:32 PM
And this guy went to law school. :drool:

No one was harassed or abused. NO ONE. There are NO COMPLAINANTS.



I see. So when a battered wife refuses to press charges, a crime was never committed.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 01:34 PM
No one was harassed or abused. NO ONE. There are NO COMPLAINANTS.

If you don't get that, then I can't help you.

p.s. I guess you didn't even bother to glance at the other example up there - where nativists showed up with a GUN at a poll in Arizona - and the case was dropped, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

Apples and oranges. Please. How far out of your way do you have to go?

Moonbat. ROFL

blaise
07-11-2010, 02:43 PM
Yeah, I guess we should just let people stand in front of polling places with clubs. Sounds like a good thing to do. That certainly wouldn't intimidate anyone.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 04:02 PM
Yeah, I guess we should just let people stand in front of polling places with clubs. Sounds like a good thing to do. That certainly wouldn't intimidate anyone.

But nobody filed a complaint. :drool:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/nyregion/01witness.html?ei=5124&en=f835a89915534f83&ex=1330491600&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&pagewanted=print

Yeah, I want a scumbag like Samir Shabozzle to have my name and address.

blaise
07-11-2010, 04:06 PM
Funny how nodoby filing a complaint means no one was intimidated to some people. I'm guessing their opinions will change if some tea party members choose to do the same thing.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 04:12 PM
*Turns on Jeopardy music and waits*

http://www.musicnotes.com/images/productimages/mtd/MN0042160.gif

That is great.

ROFL

Friggin' moonbats.

go bowe
07-11-2010, 04:29 PM
you say moonbat like it's a bad thing...

Baby Lee
07-11-2010, 04:59 PM
It has ALL THE RELEVANCE IN THE WORLD.

Thread title:

Voter Intimidation? I guess this kinda racism does not apply if it is done to whites


Two cases - one whites, one blacks - same disposition. SAME disposition.


There IS one big difference, of course. FAUXNEWS isn't trumpeting one of them.

One alleged after the fact, one caught with the baton in front of the polling place on tape.

One dropped before prosecution, one obtaining an injunction then taking the steps to reverse the injunction.

orange
07-11-2010, 06:26 PM
One alleged after the fact, one caught with the baton in front of the polling place on tape.

One dropped before prosecution, one obtaining an injunction then taking the steps to reverse the injunction.

Funny, that's NOT how it was reported.

Arizona Daily Star: "[A]nti-immigrant activist" "stood by with a firearm in a holster." A November 8, 2006, Arizona Daily Star article reported (from Nexis):

A crew of anti-immigrant activists, meanwhile, visited several South Side polling places in what one poll-watch group called a blatant attempt to intimidate Hispanic voters.

Anti-immigrant crusader Russ Dove circulated an English-only petition, while a cameraman filmed the voters he approached and Roy Warden stood by with a firearm in a holster.

Diego Bernal, a staff attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), said the trio was trying to intimidate Hispanic voters. "A gun, a camera, a clipboard before you even get to the polls - if that's not voter intimidation, what is?" he asked.

Bernal said his group encountered the men at the Precinct 49 polling place at South 12th Avenue and West Michigan Street and began documenting the scene with their cameras. "There was an interesting period where they were taking pictures of us taking pictures of them."

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007020021 - same link as above which you obviously didn't read or else your reading comprehension is really bad.

I'm not going to subscribe to Lexis Nexis just to see that. I'll leave it to you. You're the one claiming they're wrong, based on what, I have no idea. Pure, unadulterated guess-work, perhaps?

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 06:31 PM
Funny, that's NOT how it was reported.

Arizona Daily Star: "[A]nti-immigrant activist" "stood by with a firearm in a holster." A November 8, 2006, Arizona Daily Star article reported (from Nexis):

A crew of anti-immigrant activists, meanwhile, visited several South Side polling places in what one poll-watch group called a blatant attempt to intimidate Hispanic voters.

Anti-immigrant crusader Russ Dove circulated an English-only petition, while a cameraman filmed the voters he approached and Roy Warden stood by with a firearm in a holster.

Diego Bernal, a staff attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), said the trio was trying to intimidate Hispanic voters. "A gun, a camera, a clipboard before you even get to the polls - if that's not voter intimidation, what is?" he asked.

Bernal said his group encountered the men at the Precinct 49 polling place at South 12th Avenue and West Michigan Street and began documenting the scene with their cameras. "There was an interesting period where they were taking pictures of us taking pictures of them."

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007020021 - same link as above which you obviously didn't read or else your reading comprehension is really bad.

I'm not going to subscribe Lexis Nexis just to see that. I'll leave it to you. You're the one claiming they're wrong, based on what, I have no idea.

So...

Your sources are Diego Bernal, a leftist agitator, and mediamatters?

ROFL

orange
07-11-2010, 06:38 PM
Funny how nodoby filing a complaint means no one was intimidated to some people. I'm guessing their opinions will change if some tea party members choose to do the same thing.

In that Arizona case, people DID file complaints. It was still dropped. Something about a "high bar" for prosecution under this section.

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf Another link no one will actually read because you'ld rather wallow in your certainty that white men are victims.

Chiefshrink
07-11-2010, 06:39 PM
No way a "brutha goes after a brutha" publically, especially when this is Obama's base.

This would be political suicide for "O" and he needs all the help he can get right now.

Besides what's the difference between the NAACP and The New/Old Black Panther party?????????????????????????

Answer: Black Suits vs. Black Leather jackets

mlyonsd
07-11-2010, 06:39 PM
In that Arizona case, people DID file complaints. It was still dropped.

You're finally starting to get it. Kudo's.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 06:41 PM
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007020021

Perez cited Bush-era DOJ decision not to prosecute similar case

Perez: "[T]he Department declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation" in 2006. In the very testimony Kelly cited, Perez highlighted a case that completely undermines the notion that the DOJ's decisions in the Black Panthers case were unprecedented or racially motivated. Perez testified that in 2006, the Justice Department "declined to bring any action for alleged voter intimidation" "when three well-known anti-immigrant advocates affiliated with the Minutemen, one of whom was carrying a gun, allegedly intimidated Latino voters at a polling place by approaching several persons, filming them, and advocating and printing voting materials in Spanish." [U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 5/14/10]


http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/23/the-black-panther-case-a-legacy-of-politicized-hiring/



Wait a sec...

So, somebody did in fact file a complaint in this case, and no DOJ attorney resigned over a DOJ decision, yet you are asserting that their is a comparison between the two cases?

You should have started your own thread on this, oh thats right, then you couldn't obfuscate and sidetrack this one, in dishonest moonbat fashion.

Chiefshrink
07-11-2010, 06:44 PM
Flip the scenario here: If this were KKK members intimidating voters at the pole who were people of color, do you think Eric Holder would have personally hung these KKK members by their balls from the courthouse flag pole????

Damn straight he would have!!! He wishes he would have a chance at Tea partiers!!!!

orange
07-11-2010, 06:45 PM
You're finally starting to get it. Kudo's.

I've gotten it from the beginning.

There is no "there" here. This case - the Black Panther case - was dropped JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE.

I'm not sure YOU'RE getting it. The other one involved white guys ("Minutemen") intimidating Hispanics. And the case was dropped by the Bush administration, not Obama.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. Maybe you agree with me that the OP thread header is nonsense.

orange
07-11-2010, 06:48 PM
Flip the scenario here: If this were KKK members intimidating voters at the pole who were people of color, do you think Eric Holder would have personally hung these KKK members by their balls from the courthouse flag pole????

Damn straight he would have!!! He wishes he would have a chance at Tea partiers!!!!

Er... see above.

Minutemen intimidated Hispanics - complaints filed - case dropped by Justice Dept.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 06:48 PM
I've gotten it from the beginning.

There is no "there" here. This case - the Black Panther case - was dropped JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE.

I'm not sure YOU'RE getting it. The other one involved white guys ("Minutemen") intimidating Hispanics. And the case was dropped by the Bush administration, not Obama.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. Maybe you agree with me that the OP thread header is nonsense.

Your level of dishonesty ceases to amaze me.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 06:49 PM
Er... see above.

Minutemen intimidated Hispanics - complaints filed - case dropped by Justice Dept.

So start a thread about it. Why are you destroying this one by making a BS comparison between the two?

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 06:55 PM
I've gotten it from the beginning.

There is no "there" here. This case - the Black Panther case - was dropped JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE.

I'm not sure YOU'RE getting it. The other one involved white guys ("Minutemen") intimidating Hispanics. And the case was dropped by the Bush administration, not Obama.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. Maybe you agree with me that the OP thread header is nonsense.

why it is that you would defend a hate organization like the NBPP is beyond me.

it's not okay. it's never okay. ever. i mean, how much more clear can it get? white people do it, it's bad. black people do it, it's bad. mexican people do it, it's bad.

the goal of the NBPP was intimidation. did they fail simply cause no one filed a complaint? that's just silly talk. like whoever said above, just cause the wife doesn't press charges doesn't mean she was beaten. sometimes, things are just obvious.

healthpellets
07-11-2010, 06:58 PM
how are the two cases comparable under different administrations?

orange
07-11-2010, 07:07 PM
how are the two cases comparable under different administrations?

They're comparable because IT TAKES A LOT TO GET A CONVICTION.

More than either case had.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2010, 07:12 PM
Let's not talk about Holder or Obama and their clear racial bias (the thread topic) let's talk about George Bush. -Orange

blaise
07-11-2010, 07:58 PM
In that Arizona case, people DID file complaints. It was still dropped. Something about a "high bar" for prosecution under this section.

http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf Another link no one will actually read because you'ld rather wallow in your certainty that white men are victims.

I'm talking about this case. You seem to believe that since no one filed a complaint, there was no intimidation, which is terrible logic. And I really don't know hoe I'm wallowing in certainty that white men are victims. Black people coule have been intimidated by the NBPP and black people can be tea partiers. Like usual you just start throwing all kinds of superfluous crap around hoping that some of it sticks. I wasn't playing any kind of racial angle, you just did. That's because you're an asshole.

Lzen
07-11-2010, 08:01 PM
...IT TAKES A LOT TO GET A CONVICTION...

With that video evidence as well as multiple witnesses? I seriously doubt that. Many people with law degrees have said this was a good case and it baffles them as to why it was dropped. You just can't see the forest through your liberal bias and ignorance.

lostcause
07-12-2010, 12:43 AM
on a side note, i logged on to find that i was neg repped for being a moon bat... I absolutely died laughing... Thank you for that! that was awesome!

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:04 AM
If you would like to see a good journalistic take on this story it is here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128251057

Look, I can watch that video and see the fucking drift and bias the interviewer has. I am countering fox's take by an NPR story on the same subject. They both deal in fact, but one is good journalism, the other is not. Thats all I'm saying.

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 01:09 AM
If you would like to see a good journalistic take on this story it is here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128251057

Look, I can watch that video and see the ****ing drift and bias the interviewer has. I am countering fox's take by an NPR story on the same subject. They both deal in fact, but one is good journalism, the other is not. Thats all I'm saying.

And you appear to me to be ill-equipped to judge what is and isn't good journalism. That's all I'm saying.

You should probably read Direckshun's post.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230555

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:23 AM
And you appear to me to be ill-equipped to judge what is and isn't good journalism. That's all I'm saying.

You should probably read Direckshun's post.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230555

really? why?

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 01:26 AM
really? why?

Hey, if you have any credentials that would lead us to believe that you are uniquely qualified as a judge of journalism, please feel free to present them.

In the absence of that you'll just have to get used to the idea that around here no one gives much of a shit about your opinion but you.

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:38 AM
I guess its a fucking free for all then. You like bullshit journalism have at it. I like unbiased sources that have ethics, but fuck me, that my choice.

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 01:42 AM
I guess its a ****ing free for all then. You like bullshit journalism have at it. I like unbiased sources that have ethics, but **** me, that my choice.

I haven't defended or attacked any news source here. I'm just checking to see whether you're talking out of your ass. That appears to be the case.

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:44 AM
I haven't defended or attacked any news source here. I'm just checking to see whether you're talking out of your ass. That appears to be the case.

you're right

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 01:48 AM
Ok, I like good journalism because my father was an editor of a newspaper and earned a Pulitzer Prize. My mother has a doctorate of journalism. Both of these people are instrumental in my life. I am currently a year away from my own journalism degree at the University of Missouri. Thats about what I have to stand by.

My father was an award-winning architect. Want me to build you an office tower?

EDIT: Now why did you delete the post I quoted above?

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:50 AM
My father was an award-winning architect. Want me to build you an office tower?

If this discussion was about architecture, then I would probably value your opinion of architecture more than the average person posting on the board.

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 01:54 AM
If this discussion was about architecture, then I would probably value your opinion of architecture more than the average person posting on the board.

Well, since it's about journalism I'd value your parents opinion. Let me know if they decide to post something.

lostcause
07-12-2010, 01:55 AM
Well, since it's about journalism I'd value your parents opinion. Let me know if they decide to post something.

I will let you know.

ClevelandBronco
07-12-2010, 02:09 AM
Thank you for telling me that my opinion has no worth and that I have no idea what I am talking about. Please enjoy the rest of your day.

It's hard to keep up with you when you keep deleting posts. I was all ready to enjoy the rest of my day, and now you've erased your well wishes.

Is that how you repay a guy who wishes you and your son Mrs. lostcause all the best?

I will let you know.

I'm not doing anything important now if they're still up.

orange
07-12-2010, 02:15 AM
I'm talking about this case. You seem to believe that since no one filed a complaint, there was no intimidation, which is terrible logic. And I really don't know hoe I'm wallowing in certainty that white men are victims. Black people coule have been intimidated by the NBPP and black people can be tea partiers. Like usual you just start throwing all kinds of superfluous crap around hoping that some of it sticks. I wasn't playing any kind of racial angle, you just did. That's because you're an asshole.

... this kinda racism does not apply if it is done to whites

No idea at all where I might have gotten the "racial angle."

That link I posted - http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf Another link no one will actually read because you'ld rather wallow in your certainty that white men are victims - the one that you think is "superfluous" - that's the ACTUAL SWORN TESTIMONY by Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division Thomas Perez that Adams alleges is perjury. It's Perez telling U.S. COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS why this case was dropped. I think it's not "superfluous" at all. In fact, it's kind of critical to the whole matter.

I see I was completely right that you wouldn't read it. You didn't even read the cover page, did you?


HEARING ON
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S ACTIONS
RELATED TO THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY
LITIGATION AND ITS ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION
11(b) OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT

blaise
07-12-2010, 06:44 AM
... this kinda racism does not apply if it is done to whites

No idea at all where I might have gotten the "racial angle."

That link I posted - http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf Another link no one will actually read because you'ld rather wallow in your certainty that white men are victims - the one that you think is "superfluous" - that's the ACTUAL SWORN TESTIMONY by Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division Thomas Perez that Adams alleges is perjury. It's Perez telling U.S. COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS why this case was dropped. I think it's not "superfluous" at all. In fact, it's kind of critical to the whole matter.

I see I was completely right that you wouldn't read it. You didn't even read the cover page, did you?


HEARING ON
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S ACTIONS
RELATED TO THE NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY
LITIGATION AND ITS ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION
11(b) OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT

So, you didn't get it from my post that you quoted. You just quoted my post for some reason because why? Like I said, you're doing it again, you're just linking stuff that had nothing to do with what I said. I never said anything about race, if you want to have some racial debate do it with someone else, or do it by yourself, asshole. Don't keep quoting my posts and acting like I brought it up. This is why you're an asshole. When the hell did I bring up race?

orange, "Um , um, YOU'RE WALLOWING IN RACISM! LET ME LINK A BUNCH OF STUFF! SEE, SEE? BECAUSE I LINK STUFF YOU WERE ENGAGING IN A DEBATE ABOUT RACISM!"
Christ, you're a snivelling asshole.

healthpellets
07-12-2010, 10:54 AM
Orange.

Why is it that given multiple opportunities you have never said what the NBPP did was wrong?

I fail to understand how you can't see that regardless of what race one is, s/he can be an intimidated voter.

orange
07-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Orange.

Why is it that given multiple opportunities you have never said what the NBPP did was wrong?

I fail to understand how you can't see that regardless of what race one is, s/he can be an intimidated voter.

First - the NBPP didn't do it. ONE GUY DID IT. That ONE GUY was sent packing by the police at the time. And that ONE GUY has been enjoined from doing it again.

There was no evidence linking this to the organization; there were no other incidents anywhere else. That's why the case was dropped against the NBPP was dropped.

You could read it - but you won't.

Now then - please point out where I ever said it was right or acceptable. I said there are no complainants - that makes it real hard to get a conviction. Cases are dropped all the time when the victim doesn't cooperate. Ask Kobe Bryant.

It also makes a story far less newsworthy. Originally, you have a video which doesn't show any ranting, threats or anything. Just a nightstick. A nightstick that's been dealt with. Right now you've one ex-employee whining, but no victims to interview. That's why it's not gotten any coverage - WHICH IS THE WHOLE CONTEXT THAT I BROUGHT THE NO COMPLAINANTS UP IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.




FOX is the only one covering this because it's been their story from the very beginning.

...

This MIGHT get more coverage if it ever amounts to anything beyond J. Christian Adams' whining.

...

Was there an actual victim, for example? You know - an "intimidated voter."

FAUX Fan - "Why isn't this in the MSM?"
orange - "Because there's no story."
FAUX Fan - "You hate white people!"

Funny how nodoby filing a complaint means no one was intimidated to some people. I'm guessing their opinions will change if some tea party members choose to do the same thing.

blaise
07-12-2010, 01:26 PM
First - the NBPP didn't do it. ONE GUY DID IT. That ONE GUY was sent packing by the police at the time. And that ONE GUY has been enjoined from doing it again.

There was no evidence linking this to the organization; there were no other incidents anywhere else. That's why the case was dropped against the NBPP was dropped.

You could read it - but you won't.

Now then - please point out where I ever said it was right or acceptable. I said there are no complainants - that makes it real hard to get a conviction. Cases are dropped all the time when the victim doesn't cooperate. Ask Kobe Bryant.

It also makes a story far less newsworthy. Originally, you have a video which doesn't show any ranting, threats or anything. Just a nightstick. A nightstick that's been dealt with. Right now you've one ex-employee whining, but no victims to interview. That's why it's not gotten any coverage - WHICH IS THE WHOLE CONTEXT THAT I BROUGHT THE NO COMPLAINANTS UP IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.




FAUX Fan - "Why isn't this in the MSM?"
orange - "Because there's no story."
FAUX Fan - "You hate white people!"

Again, there's no mention of race in my post. All tea partiers are not white. Perhaps you're the one most guilty of racial stereotyping.

mmkay, asswipe? Good. If you want to have a debate about the racial angle, don't just randomly quote my posts. Now go ahead little guy and link a bunch of irrelevant stuff, and post in bold because you think it makes you right and keep doing the spastic asshole stuff you usually do.

orange
07-12-2010, 01:41 PM
Again, there's no mention of race in my post. All tea partiers are not white. Perhaps you're the one most guilty of racial stereotyping.

mmkay, asswipe? Good. If you want to have a debate about the racial angle, don't just randomly quote my posts. Now go ahead little guy and link a bunch of irrelevant stuff, and post in bold because you think it makes you right and keep doing the spastic asshole stuff you usually do.

Hey ****face... I posted a precedent of Minutemen - white supremacists - getting off for the same transgression. And I didn't rant about them at all, did I. So which of your filthy orifices did you pull your "insight" into me from?

Funny how nodoby filing a complaint means no one was intimidated to some people. I'm guessing their opinions will change if some tea party members choose to do the same thing.

You'll also notice I'm losing patience with your assholeness. You're about to become #2 on an extremely exclusive list.

blaise
07-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Hey ****face... I posted a precedent of Minutemen - white supremacists - getting off for the same transgression. And I didn't rant about them at all, did I. So which of your filthy orifices did you pull your "insight" into me from?



You'll also notice I'm losing patience with your assholeness. You're about to become #2 on an extremely exclusive list.

Good, I don't really care about some dickwipe linking some racial BS to my posts as if I made some claim I didn't. Go mischaracterize someone else's posts you asshole.
'kay fuckface?

orange
07-12-2010, 01:48 PM
Good, I don't really care about some dickwipe linking some racial BS to my posts as if I made some claim I didn't. Go mischaracterize someone else's posts you asshole.
'kay ****face?

Poor little blaise got his feelings hurt. Awww.

Goodbye.

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 01:48 PM
I guess its a ****ing free for all then. You like bullshit journalism have at it. I like unbiased sources that have ethics, but **** me, that my choice.

You just acknowledged in your previous post that they are biased yet you called that good journalism. How coincidental that you happen to agree with their slant. It's funny how that works.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 07:43 PM
I don't know why I wasted my time to do a little research on the assertion Orange made that there were/are no complainants in the NPBP case, but lo and behold, there is a complainant:

"the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"

—Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice

On Election Day 2008, Mr. Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a polling place near downtown Philadelphia.

One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"

In March, Mr. Bull submitted an affidavit at Justice's request to support its lawsuit
against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs.
~

So on top of being a douchebag, Orange is a confirmed liar.

healthpellets
07-12-2010, 08:43 PM
First - the NBPP didn't do it. ONE GUY DID IT. That ONE GUY was sent packing by the police at the time. And that ONE GUY has been enjoined from doing it again.

There was no evidence linking this to the organization;

and along those same lines, then i think you'd agree that the Tea Party movement isn't a racist movement, regardless of the actions of a couple fanatics. correct?

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 08:50 PM
I don't know why I wasted my time to do a little research on the assertion Orange made that there were/are no complainants in the NPBP case, but lo and behold, there is a complainant:

"the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"

—Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice

On Election Day 2008, Mr. Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a polling place near downtown Philadelphia.

One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"

In March, Mr. Bull submitted an affidavit at Justice's request to support its lawsuit
against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs.
~

So on top of being a douchebag, Orange is a confirmed liar.

Yikes, orange. You may* have just been cockslapped by the sprayer. That's going to leave a mushroom shaped mark right in the middle of your forehead.



*qualifier "may" is pending a link from a credible source

petegz28
07-12-2010, 08:56 PM
First - the NBPP didn't do it. ONE GUY DID IT. That ONE GUY was sent packing by the police at the time. And that ONE GUY has been enjoined from doing it again.

There was no evidence linking this to the organization; there were no other incidents anywhere else. That's why the case was dropped against the NBPP was dropped.

You could read it - but you won't.

Now then - please point out where I ever said it was right or acceptable. I said there are no complainants - that makes it real hard to get a conviction. Cases are dropped all the time when the victim doesn't cooperate. Ask Kobe Bryant.

It also makes a story far less newsworthy. Originally, you have a video which doesn't show any ranting, threats or anything. Just a nightstick. A nightstick that's been dealt with. Right now you've one ex-employee whining, but no victims to interview. That's why it's not gotten any coverage - WHICH IS THE WHOLE CONTEXT THAT I BROUGHT THE NO COMPLAINANTS UP IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.




FAUX Fan - "Why isn't this in the MSM?"
orange - "Because there's no story."
FAUX Fan - "You hate white people!"

This post is full of fail. No evidence linking him to the organization? What about the NBPP uniform he was wearing??? LMAO

orange
07-12-2010, 08:59 PM
Yikes, orange. You may* have just been cockslapped by the sprayer. That's going to leave a mushroom shaped mark right in the middle of your forehead.



*qualifier "may" is pending a link from a credible source

Bartle Bull was a McCain poll-watcher. He's not a victim. He may claim Shabazz pointed the stick at voters, but that's not the same as an actual voter coming forward.

I don't think there's a law against "poll-watcher intimidation."

orange
07-12-2010, 09:01 PM
This post is full of fail. No evidence linking him to the organization? What about the NBPP uniform he was wearing??? LMAO

No evidence linking his behavior to the organization. I won't even try to explain the difference - it should be incredibly obvious.

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:01 PM
Bartle Bull was a McCain poll-watcher. He's not a victim. He may claim Shabazz pointed the stick at voters, but that's not the same as an actual voter coming forward.

I don't think there's a law against "poll-watcher intimidation."

Poll watchers don't get to vote?

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:02 PM
Yep, he isn't connected to the NBPP, just wears the uniform. I guarantee if it were even 1 white guy, let alone 2, wearing KKK hoods we would be hearing it from orange.

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petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:03 PM
No evidence linking his behavior to the organization. I won't even try to explain the difference - it should be incredibly obvious.

Yeah, there were just 2 guys there from the NBPP, but the NBPP had nothing to do with it.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Poll watchers don't get to vote?

orange has officially gone over the edge on this one. I am convinced now that Obama could come out, sanction the NBPP to oppress whitey at the polls and orange would have a link defending it.

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:06 PM
No evidence linking his behavior to the organization. I won't even try to explain the difference - it should be incredibly obvious.

It sucks when 99% of the people ruin it for the other 1%.

orange
07-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Poll watchers don't get to vote?

No. Not at the precincts they watch. At their own precincts, yes.

Bull went to SEVERAL polling places that day.


Here's his actual affidavit. http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bull-declaration_04-07-20092.pdf

Note that he does not mention a single voter turning away.

He does mention that the racial epithets he heard were directed to poll observers, like himself.

I can't copy the text in; it's a photo.

orange
07-12-2010, 09:12 PM
What about the NBPP uniform he was wearing??? LMAO

Interesting you should mention that. Bartle Bull mentions it, too, in his affidavit.

It is, of course, COMPLETELY immaterial to the law. You can wear what you want.

If you were to wear a white sheet and hood - something with historical connotations - you might run into trouble.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:13 PM
Interesting you should mention that. Bartle Bull mentions it, too, in his affidavit.

It is, of course, COMPLETELY immaterial to the law.

Like I said, had it been a guy in a KKK hood you would be singing the same tune the MSM would be singing 24/7.

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:14 PM
No. Not at the precincts they watch. At their own precincts, yes.

Bull went to SEVERAL polling places that day.


Here's his actual affidavit. http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bull-declaration_04-07-20092.pdf

Note that he does not mention a single voter turning away.

He does mention that the racial epithets he heard were directed to poll observers, like himself.

I can't copy the text in; it's a photo."I watched the two uniformed men confront voters and attempt to intimidate them."

orange
07-12-2010, 09:15 PM
"I watched the two uniformed men confront voters and attempt to intimidate them."

Apparently without success.

Did any voters come forward and complain? I asked this way back on page 2 or 3; the question still stands.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:15 PM
"I watched the two uniformed men confront voters and attempt to intimidate them."

This doesn't count. This is a Left-Winger who went on Fox News. Therefore he is automaticaly disqualified.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:16 PM
Yikes, orange. You may* have just been cockslapped by the sprayer. That's going to leave a mushroom shaped mark right in the middle of your forehead.



*qualifier "may" is pending a link from a credible source

Always a pleasure, Saul:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

healthpellets
07-12-2010, 09:16 PM
Apparently without success.

Did any voters come forward and complain? I asked this way back on page 2 or 3; the question still stands.

the attempt was not sufficient? you don't see how that could be a problem?

orange
07-12-2010, 09:18 PM
the attempt was not sufficient? you don't see how that could be a problem?

I don't see how it's a problem anymore ... BECAUSE THE GUY WAS SANCTIONED FOR IT.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:19 PM
I don't see how it's a problem anymore ... BECAUSE THE GUY WAS SANCTIONED FOR IT.

Um, tell me how he was sanctioned, please?

orange
07-12-2010, 09:20 PM
This doesn't count. This is a Left-Winger who went on Fox News. Therefore he is automaticaly disqualified.

Bull was a MCCAIN poll watcher. A REPUBLICAN poll watcher.

You understand that, right? Who he was 40 years ago doesn't change that.

healthpellets
07-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Um, tell me how he was sanctioned, please?

he's barred from appearing at polling places through 2010, maybe 2012, i don't recall. courtesy from our friends at Justice.

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:20 PM
the attempt was not sufficient? you don't see how that could be a problem?

Of course not. You don't see people going to jail for attempted murder, do you?

LOCOChief
07-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Anyone and everyone who was or is affiliated with the NBPP is a complete piece of shit. It wasn't one guy, it's anyone who would be connected in anyway shape or form with this group.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:21 PM
he's barred from appearing at polling places through 2010, maybe 2012, i don't recall. courtesy from our friends at Justice.

Oh, I know he was. Then Obama stepped in and now he isn't. So I am unclear as to how orange is saying this isn't a problem anymore?

orange
07-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Um, tell me how he was sanctioned, please?

He's enjoined from being at any polling place with a weapon for two more election cycles.

Not the death penalty that you apparently think is appropriate, but about what you're going to get with no actual victims coming forward.

healthpellets
07-12-2010, 09:22 PM
I don't see how it's a problem anymore ... BECAUSE THE GUY WAS SANCTIONED FOR IT.

the attempt to intimidate voters is always a problem. it was a problem then, and it's a problem now.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:23 PM
He's enjoined from being at any polling place with a weapon for two more election cycles.

Not the death penalty that you apparently think is appropriate, but about what you're going to get with no actual victims coming forward.

Didn't the DOJ drop all this stuff???

BTW, he shouldn't be at polling places with a weapon PERIOD! Regardless if there was intimidation or not.

orange
07-12-2010, 09:23 PM
Oh, I know he was. Then Obama stepped in and now he isn't.

No, you're simply wrong. He WAS enjoined and he's STILL enjoined. As far as I've ever heard, anyway.

I'll fall back on the old-fashioned:


LINK?

[edit]

Didn't the DOJ drop all this stuff???

BTW, he shouldn't be at polling places with a weapon PERIOD! Regardless if there was intimidation or not.

They dropped the stuff against the organization. Shabazz was prosecuted separately under a different law.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Apparently without success.

Did any voters come forward and complain? I asked this way back on page 2 or 3; the question still stands.

I guess you conveniently missed this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6873566&postcount=46

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:25 PM
He's enjoined from being at any polling place with a weapon for two more election cycles.

So do you think the punishment fits the crime?

I wonder what punishments this judge hands down for other crimes. If you stab somebody, you probably aren't allowed to stab anyone for a while.

petegz28
07-12-2010, 09:26 PM
FTR, I misunderstood what the DOJ did.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:27 PM
This doesn't count. This is a Left-Winger who went on Fox News. Therefore he is automaticaly disqualified.

He's no Diego Bernal, that's for sure.

:rolleyes:

Joe Seahawk
07-12-2010, 09:28 PM
So do you think the punishment fits the crime?

I wonder what punishments this judge hands down for other crimes. If you stab somebody, you probably aren't allowed to stab anyone for a while.

ROFL

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:30 PM
Yikes, orange. You may* have just been cockslapped by the sprayer. That's going to leave a mushroom shaped mark right in the middle of your forehead.



*qualifier "may" is pending a link from a credible source

Dammit SPRAYER. Just when I really start to lose my patience with you (following some rude comments you made to Jilly for which you have since apologized), you send me a rep that makes me literally laugh out loud.

"I cockslapped that asshole good n plenty"

orange
07-12-2010, 09:30 PM
If you stab somebody, you probably aren't allowed to stab anyone for a while.

Now why'd you go and bring Vitter into this? ROFL

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:31 PM
Bull was a MCCAIN poll watcher. A REPUBLICAN poll watcher.

You understand that, right? Who he was 40 years ago doesn't change that.

Character assassination. :rolleyes:

You really are a sick fuck, you know that?

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:32 PM
Dammit SPRAYER. Just when I really start to lose my patience with you (following some rude comments you made to Jilly for which you have since apologized), you send me a rep that makes me literally laugh out loud.

"I cockslapped that asshole good n plenty"

And I did. ROFL

orange
07-12-2010, 09:32 PM
Dammit SPRAYER...

I'll ask again... have any voters come forward and lodged complaints?

If the shitty one thinks he's got something, you'll have to quote him for me.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:35 PM
If the shitty one thinks he's got something, you'll have to quote him for me.

Boo hoo, orange has me on ignore.

:crybaby:

He doesn't like to have his authority challenged, I guess. Dishonest people in general don't.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:37 PM
I'll ask again... have any voters come forward and lodged complaints?

Yup, just as soon as a citizen lodges a complaint against a Gambino, the Hells Angels, and the Bloods.

:rolleyes:

Saul Good
07-12-2010, 09:39 PM
I'll ask again... have any voters come forward and lodged complaints?

If the shitty one thinks he's got something, you'll have to quote him for me.

If he doesn't have anything, why are you moving the goalposts?

I said there are no complainants


BTW, you've got something on your forehead. Did you headbutt a mushroom or something?

mlyonsd
07-12-2010, 09:42 PM
I'll ask again... have any voters come forward and lodged complaints?

If the shitty one thinks he's got something, you'll have to quote him for me.

So intimidation is ok as long as you scare people enough they don't want to face you in court.

You realize that the last thing some 80 year old lady living alone wants is to fear what might happen after she files the complaint.

orange
07-12-2010, 09:42 PM
If he doesn't have anything, why are you moving the goalposts?

You do know the difference between a "complainant" and a "witness," don't you?

Let me make it simple: what Charge did Bartle Bull lodge?


or here:

com·plain·ant (km-plnnt)
n. Law
A party that makes a complaint or files a formal charge, as in a court of law; a plaintiff.

Noun 1. complainant - a person who brings an action in a court of law

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:46 PM
You do know the difference between a "complainant" and a "witness," don't you?

Do you know the difference between "right" and "wrong"?

You are a vile and twisted little man.

The Mad Crapper
07-12-2010, 09:48 PM
BTW, you've got something on your forehead. Did you headbutt a mushroom or something?

ROFL

blaise
07-12-2010, 11:13 PM
Poor little blaise got his feelings hurt. Awww.

Goodbye.

...said the bitch that said he was putting me on ignore. How's that for irony?

"YOU'RE A BABY! I'M PUTTING YOU ON IGNORE! YOU WON'T LET ME LINK THINGS UNRELATED TO YOUR POSTS AND LET ME CLAIM YOU SAID THINGS YOU DIDN'T! I'M PUTTING YOU ON IGNORE!" - orange

What's the matter d-bag, didn't want to cry to the mods to ban me like you did someone else a couple of weeks ago?

You're a small, snivelling bitch of a person.

go bowe
07-13-2010, 12:32 AM
Again, there's no mention of race in my post. All tea partiers are not white. Perhaps you're the one most guilty of racial stereotyping.

mmkay, asswipe? Good. If you want to have a debate about the racial angle, don't just randomly quote my posts. Now go ahead little guy and link a bunch of irrelevant stuff, and post in bold because you think it makes you right and keep doing the spastic asshole stuff you usually do.spastic asshole?

reminds me of the time that i got food poisoning...

go bowe
07-13-2010, 12:43 AM
...said the bitch that said he was putting me on ignore. How's that for irony?

"YOU'RE A BABY! I'M PUTTING YOU ON IGNORE! YOU WON'T LET ME LINK THINGS UNRELATED TO YOUR POSTS AND LET ME CLAIM YOU SAID THINGS YOU DIDN'T! I'M PUTTING YOU ON IGNORE!" - orange

What's the matter d-bag, didn't want to cry to the mods to ban me like you did someone else a couple of weeks ago?

You're a small, snivelling bitch of a person.who was the victim a couple of weeks ago?

i try to keep up with who's being banned and who might be but won't and so on...

btw, snivelling has a real ring to it...

first rate insult, perfectly paired with bitch...

but what's wrong with small people?

blaise
07-13-2010, 06:00 AM
who was the victim a couple of weeks ago?

i try to keep up with who's being banned and who might be but won't and so on...

btw, snivelling has a real ring to it...

first rate insult, perfectly paired with bitch...

but what's wrong with small people?

I can't remember who it was. orange called someone an idiot or coward and they said something like, "I bet you wouldn't say that to my face" and orange went with, "Mods? Threats of physical violence."

The Mad Crapper
07-13-2010, 06:35 AM
I can't remember who it was. orange called someone an idiot or coward and they said something like, "I bet you wouldn't say that to my face" and orange went with, "Mods? Threats of physical violence."

That's a method of operation with moonbats---

Find something in the user agreement that a conservative or non-moonbat violates, and report him for it. A favorite is the curse word filter.

ROFL

patteeu
07-13-2010, 07:24 AM
Yep, he isn't connected to the NBPP, just wears the uniform. I guarantee if it were even 1 white guy, let alone 2, wearing KKK hoods we would be hearing it from orange.



You'd probably be wearing orange right now.

Velvet_Jones
07-13-2010, 09:55 AM
You guys just hate Obama because he's black.

No - I hate Obama because he is skinny. Oh also he is a Marxist POS.

The Mad Crapper
07-14-2010, 03:10 PM
I don't know why I wasted my time to do a little research on the assertion Orange made that there were/are no complainants in the NPBP case, but lo and behold, there is a complainant:

"the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"

—Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice

On Election Day 2008, Mr. Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a polling place near downtown Philadelphia.

One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"

In March, Mr. Bull submitted an affidavit at Justice's request to support its lawsuit
against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs.
~

So on top of being a douchebag, Orange is a confirmed liar.

Bump.

o:-)