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notorious
07-01-2010, 09:55 PM
What is your opinion on Palin?








For the Republicans' sake, she needs to fall off the face of the planet. I can not stand to see or hear her, and if I do it imprints very negative thoughts about the Republican Party.



I fall under the "Undecided" catagory of voter, BTW.

HonestChieffan
07-01-2010, 09:57 PM
So, you don't like her then?

notorious
07-01-2010, 09:58 PM
So, you don't like her then?

You guessed it. LMAO

Radar Chief
07-01-2010, 09:58 PM
What is your opinion on Palin?

:shrug: Eh, she'd get shagged.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:00 PM
:shrug: Eh, she'd get shagged.

Stick it in her mouth so we don't have to listen to her.

HonestChieffan
07-01-2010, 10:00 PM
You guessed it. LMAO


Why? Im neither a Palin pro or con. But I would like to know more why those who really have a negative impression of her why they have such strong feelings.

cdcox
07-01-2010, 10:00 PM
A little part of me wants her to disappear for the good of the country.

A larger part of me wants her to stick around for the comedy.

Ebolapox
07-01-2010, 10:02 PM
I don't care one way or the other. she's amusing in a folksy-retarded-sorta way.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:04 PM
I would like to know more why those who really have a negative impression of her why they have such strong feelings.

Me, too, hence the thread.


I can't fathom why the Republican Party propped her up.

teedubya
07-01-2010, 10:04 PM
http://sarahpalinporn.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/palin-naked-with-holding-a-gun.jpg

HonestChieffan
07-01-2010, 10:05 PM
Me, too, hence the thread.


I can't fathom why the Republican Party propped her up.

What makes you not like her?

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:07 PM
Frankly I can't stand the bitch especially her shrill voice and her fake folksy personality.

WV
07-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm not against her either. I do find it comical when people try to say she isn't qualified to be Prez though....I mean look at the clown in there now.

HonestChieffan
07-01-2010, 10:10 PM
Frankly I can't stand the bitch especially her shrill voice and her fake folksy personality.

Thats pretty deep.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:12 PM
What makes you not like her?


She can not convey information in an intelligent way. I have been impressed by the content in a few of her interviews, but at other times the shit that comes out of her mouth is horrific. Palin latched herself to the Tea Party as quickly as a Juarez whore to a Gringo with a pocket full of $100 bills, which came across (to me) as very fake move.

She does not garner respect from both sides, which is exactly what the country needs right now.


Governor of Alaska, maybe. Vice-President or spokesperson for the Pub Party, fuck NO.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:13 PM
Frankly I can't stand the bitch especially her shrill voice and her fake folksy personality.

I have to be honest, I agree.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:13 PM
Thats pretty deep.

I can get real deep but she has had 3 kids so I don't think I can get that deep or wide.

But it is not like I wouldn't give it a try.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:16 PM
I thought it was funny the other day she said "You asked for the job, Mr. President, so buck up"

:spock:

LMAO

Coming from the biggest quitter on the plant that is fucking hilarious

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:17 PM
It's obvious she could do no worse than the current clowns in charge.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:18 PM
I thought it was funny the other day she said "You asked for the job, Mr. President, so buck up"

:spock:

LMAO

Coming from the biggest quitter on the plant that is ****ing hilarious

This.


I thought she was quiting Alaska to spend time with her family and get away from the limelight.


She did quite the opposite.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:19 PM
It's obvious she could do no worse than the current clowns in charge.

She would have quit by now

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:19 PM
I thought it was funny the other day she said "You asked for the job, Mr. President, so buck up"

:spock:

LMAO

Coming from the biggest quitter on the plant that is ****ing hilarious

Just curious, can you give us one job Obama hasn't quit?

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:21 PM
It's obvious she could do no worse than the current clowns in charge.


I don't want the best smelling turd in office, I want a person that is going to give power back to the states, cut spending, and basically get as far away from our lives as possible.

|Zach|
07-01-2010, 10:21 PM
I am disappointed it seems she has fallen out of favor.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:22 PM
Just curious, can you give us one job Obama hasn't quit?

Well he hasn't quit being POTUS and he didn't quit being a Senator he got a promotion

petegz28
07-01-2010, 10:22 PM
I'd tap it ....several times

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:26 PM
I don't want the best smelling turd in office, I want a person that is going to give power back to the states, cut spending, and basically get as far away from our lives as possible.

Well then I doubt you're happy.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:26 PM
I'd tap it ....several times

She is definite MILF material

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:27 PM
Well he hasn't quit being POTUS and he didn't quit being a Senator he got a promotion

You're precious.....and I don't mean that in a gay way.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:28 PM
You're precious.....and I don't mean that in a gay way.

Sure mlyonsd...;)

RedNeckRaider
07-01-2010, 10:28 PM
She is the rights answer to Barry. An American Idol candidate idiot who has no business being president.
Signed breaking cover and running back to the lounge~

WV
07-01-2010, 10:30 PM
Even without being a huge fan, she'd still be better than Barry and *Gulp* so would Hillary. If McCain had won she'd be an infinitely better VP to over Dealing Joe Biden. That dude is starting to make me pine for Dan Qualye!

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:31 PM
:bang:Signed breaking cover and running back to the lounge~

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:31 PM
I am disappointed it seems she has fallen out of favor.

Now that you mention it ever since she was on O'Reilly 3 weeks ago or so she has been pretty silent. I guess she had to go back to get more training because she was awful and O'Reilly made her look kind of silly.

RedNeckRaider
07-01-2010, 10:35 PM
:bang:

That was my first post here in quite sometime...and I get shot at :eek:
Ducking for cover~

mlyonsd
07-01-2010, 10:38 PM
Even without being a huge fan, she'd still be better than Barry and *Gulp* so would Hillary. If McCain had won she'd be an infinitely better VP to over Dealing Joe Biden. That dude is starting to make me pine for Dan Qualye!

She'd be in over her head no doubt.

The thing about her is she put a normal American face on the republican party.

That's what the left and MSM don't like about her. They understood early on she could give the conservative movement momentum in that people might relate to her basic common sense.

She's more dangerous to the dems as a spokesperson. The funny thing is if the MSM would just let her go she'd disappear.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 10:44 PM
She'd be in over her head no doubt.

The thing about her is she put a normal American face on the republican party.

That's what the left and MSM don't like about her. They understood early on she could give the conservative movement momentum in that people might relate to her basic common sense.

She's more dangerous to the dems as a spokesperson. The funny thing is if the MSM would just let her go she'd disappear.

She is anything but normal but I agree with your last paragraph though.

notorious
07-01-2010, 10:48 PM
Well then I doubt you're happy.

In life, I am a happy person.



In politics, I believe the US would be better off if antifreeze would find it's way into every water fountain in Washington.

PunkinDrublic
07-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Compare where Obama went to school with where Palin went to school yeah they're real intelectual equals. ROFL

RedNeckRaider
07-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Compare where Obama went to school with where Palin went to school yeah they're real intelectual equals. ROFL

And look where his schooling has led us. There is no winner on this subject~

vailpass
07-01-2010, 10:59 PM
Compare where Obama went to school with where Palin went to school yeah they're real intelectual equals. ROFL

Where did Bush go to school?

notorious
07-01-2010, 11:00 PM
Compare where Obama went to school with where Palin went to school yeah they're real intelectual equals. ROFL

Meh, I would never use education as a means to measure intellect.



For the record, Barrack had below a 3.3 GPA, and Palin probably graduated with a 3.2 flu.

dirk digler
07-01-2010, 11:07 PM
Meh, I would never use education as a means to measure intellect.



For the record, Barrack had below a 3.3 GPA, and Palin probably graduated with a 3.2 flu.

It shouldn't be the final determination but just a piece of the puzzle.

Der Flöprer
07-01-2010, 11:18 PM
Why? Im neither a Palin pro or con. But I would like to know more why those who really have a negative impression of her why they have such strong feelings.

Because the bitch can see Russia from her back yard. Between being incredibly stupid, and such an obvious fake ass politician, I have zero hope that she'd offer us anything other than more of the same. I'd rather elect Big Bird.

T-post Tom
07-01-2010, 11:21 PM
I heard the "Tea Party" couldn't afford Tina Fey for a speaking engagement. So they hired Sarah Palin instead.

|Zach|
07-01-2010, 11:30 PM
She'd be in over her head no doubt.

The thing about her is she put a normal American face on the republican party.

That's what the left and MSM don't like about her. They understood early on she could give the conservative movement momentum in that people might relate to her basic common sense.

She's more dangerous to the dems as a spokesperson. The funny thing is if the MSM would just let her go she'd disappear.

Yea, you could certainly see all of this when she turned off independents during the election and energized a base of people that were already going to vote for McCain.

Shaid
07-01-2010, 11:42 PM
What is your opinion on Palin?


I'd fuck her.

T-post Tom
07-01-2010, 11:43 PM
I'd **** her.

You do NOT **** Sarah Palin! Sarah Palin ***** you!

blaise
07-01-2010, 11:54 PM
She could maybe be a speaker at a convention that has a speech written for her. She has a certain amount of personality that some people like. If she's a speaker at a convention and delivers a calculated speech you can eliminate any damage she would cause from making dumb remarks and possibly gain some votes from a segment of the population that likes her style. I think she can be used, but only as a carefully orchestrated, limited mouthpiece and not any kind of candidate.

Tiger's Fan
07-02-2010, 12:02 AM
Shes not qualified to be POTUS, but shes infinately more qualified than the one we have now.

It's more of an indictment of how under qualified he is.

Worst president ever. (Jimmy Carter is smiling again)

big nasty kcnut
07-02-2010, 12:08 AM
She need to become president. I'm sorry we need to get back to being a force for good and productivity.

T-post Tom
07-02-2010, 12:15 AM
100 turgid penises can't be wrong...

http://conservativecancer.com/sarah_palin_5.jpg

kcfanXIII
07-02-2010, 01:45 AM
Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm not against her either. I do find it comical when people try to say she isn't qualified to be Prez though....I mean look at the clown in there now.

hoping we all learn from that. i personally don't care for her because she comes across as fake. i also despise the way she quit as governor.

lostcause
07-02-2010, 03:15 AM
Shes not qualified to be POTUS, but shes infinately more qualified than the one we have now.

It's more of an indictment of how under qualified he is.

Worst president ever. (Jimmy Carter is smiling again)

Actually, we had the worst president ever for 8 years right before Obama was elected. Thanks for playing though.

lostcause
07-02-2010, 03:16 AM
There is a reason the Anchorage Daily News endorsed Obama, even though their state governor was on the McCain ticket.

RedNeckRaider
07-02-2010, 08:07 AM
Because the bitch can see Russia from her back yard. Between being incredibly stupid, and such an obvious fake ass politician, I have zero hope that she'd offer us anything other than more of the same. I'd rather elect Big Bird.

As I have said I am no huge fan. However she never said she could see Russia from her back yard. That came from a SNL skit spoofing her and some how stuck as truth~

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 08:08 AM
Actually, we had the worst president ever for 8 years right before Obama was elected. Thanks for playing though.

You're an imbecile.

Velvet_Jones
07-02-2010, 08:48 AM
Frankly I can't stand the bitch especially her shrill voice and her fake folksy personality.
OK - but you would suck Hilary's dick in a nanosecond. Now that bitches voice would knock a smile off of anyone's face.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 08:53 AM
OK - but you would suck Hilary's dick in a nanosecond. Now that bitches voice would knock a smile off of anyone's face.

Dirk just doesn't like girls.

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 08:54 AM
Dirk just doesn't like girls.

or they don't like him.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 08:59 AM
or they don't like him.

I don't know why--- he seems like such a catch.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 09:04 AM
LMAO You guys are funny. I have never had a problem in the woman category thank you very much.

And Velvet I don't know about Hillary having a dick, she might for all I know, but I agree with you and her laugh is like a witch.

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 09:05 AM
no woman has a more irritating presence than Claire. God she makes me want to gag.

PunkinDrublic
07-02-2010, 09:13 AM
Where did Bush go to school?

He got in because of Daddy. Bush has never earned anything in his life without family connections.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 09:17 AM
He got in because of Daddy. Bush has never earned anything in his life without family connections.

grob

cdcox
07-02-2010, 09:38 AM
As I have said I am no huge fan. However she never said she could see Russia from her back yard. That came from a SNL skit spoofing her and some how stuck as truth~

Her exact quote:

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state."

Tina Fey said the same quote word for word, and it was hilarious.

Chiefshrink
07-02-2010, 09:39 AM
He got in because of Daddy. Bush has never earned anything in his life without family connections.

What about your boy Obama??? Sealed academic records? Why? To hide 3 things IMO.

1. To hide his dual citizenship.

2. To hide his average grades at best and didn't deserve admittance to Columbia let alone Harvard.

3. To hide his 'extreme radical Marxist views

Betcha dollars to donuts, Obama was "affirmitive actioned" pretty much all his life. So I guess his "family connections" were 'WE' the US taxpayer, uh? Didn't pay dime one ever out of his own pocket.

He was given Occidental, Columbia, given Harvard not to mention the prestigous editor of the Harvard Law Review with "NOTHING" if very little substantive "EVER" written. Why? Because he is not as smart or as intellectual as you might think.

So what has Obama ever done other than "teach Alinsky and Marx", sue people, and rabble rouse the "poor and uneducated" into "HATING AMERICA"(ala Community Organizing)???????????????????

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Palin scares the left if for no other reason that she represents everything they fear. Irrational as it is, you never hear a critique of her that has ay real basis beyond statements like she is stupid or they don't care for her manner of speech, or she's too folksy.

You see those same sentiments assigned to many groups that are not leftist by the left. They look down on those they see as common. Working class people, guys in pickup trucks or people who hunt and fish. You see it here on this board. The working unclean.

The liberal elite will always harbor distain for anyone with a speech or dialect be it southern accents or a North Dakota speech. Its always been that way. Farmers and rural folk, those who have an "antipathy for things they don't understand" clinging to guns and religion...sound familiar?

People fear those things they cannot control or that represent things that are a threat. Palin in many ways is seen as threat because she seems to relish shining a light into the dark corners of liberalism and progressivism. Thats where the things the left wants to be hidden are kept and shows what they are really all about. Palin is not the the threat, but she certainly exposes the the left in ways they fear.

The personalization of their attack mode on her demonstrates to me two key things. One, they have to make it personal because they have no other bullets to shoot. And two, she is hitting them exactly where they know they are weak and exposed. They can deal with the politics as usual of moderates who want to try to fight in the middle on essentially non issues in debate. They cannot deal with someone who has no interest in coming together and hits hard in ways people can relate to and understand.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 10:13 AM
Palin scares the left if for no other reason that she represents everything they fear. Irrational as it is, you never hear a critique of her that has ay real basis beyond statements like she is stupid or they don't care for her manner of speech, or she's too folksy.

You see those same sentiments assigned to many groups that are not leftist by the left. They look down on those they see as common. Working class people, guys in pickup trucks or people who hunt and fish. You see it here on this board. The working unclean.

The liberal elite will always harbor distain for anyone with a speech or dialect be it southern accents or a North Dakota speech. Its always been that way. Farmers and rural folk, those who have an "antipathy for things they don't understand" clinging to guns and religion...sound familiar?

People fear those things they cannot control or that represent things that are a threat. Palin in many ways is seen as threat because she seems to relish shining a light into the dark corners of liberalism and progressivism. Thats where the things the left wants to be hidden are kept and shows what they are really all about. Palin is not the the threat, but she certainly exposes the the left in ways they fear.

The personalization of their attack mode on her demonstrates to me two key things. One, they have to make it personal because they have no other bullets to shoot. And two, she is hitting them exactly where they know they are weak and exposed. They can deal with the politics as usual of moderates who want to try to fight in the middle on essentially non issues in debate. They cannot deal with someone who has no interest in coming together and hits hard in ways people can relate to and understand.

Yeah because when Obama was running for POTUS the critique's of him were so fact based and not personal. :spock: Like he is a stupid black person, he is a terrorist, wasn't born in the US, his wife hates America, he hates America, he swore on the Koran....

LMAO

Here is a fact hcf she is a quitter.

Donger
07-02-2010, 10:16 AM
Negative. She should go where she belongs: TV. If she is on the Republican ticket in 2012, I will not vote.

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 10:23 AM
Yeah because when Obama was running for POTUS the critique's of him were so fact based and not personal. :spock: Like he is a stupid black person, he is a terrorist, wasn't born in the US, his wife hates America, he hates America, he swore on the Koran....

LMAO

Here is a fact hcf she is a quitter.

That isnt really the point is it.

The fact that Obama was targeted by the same poorly defined attacks is not a question. And does not change in any way what I posted regarding Palin and the threats she represents. Even more it not really Palin who is a threat, its truth and honest expose of the goals, aims, and desires of the far left.

So once again Dirk, answering a real post with a petulant "Oh yea? well Bush (or fill in the blank with the favorite non point of the day) reveals a lack of either understanding or a recognition that you have no other point to use to refute a position. Leave the grade school "Your momma wears Army boots" approaches behind.

notorious
07-02-2010, 10:44 AM
If she is on the Republican ticket in 2012,


Bite your tounge@!!@!!@!


I would have to ban all TV and radio except for football to avoid having to hear or see her.


The horror.........the horror...........

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 10:46 AM
That isnt really the point is it.

The fact that Obama was targeted by the same poorly defined attacks is not a question. And does not change in any way what I posted regarding Palin and the threats she represents. Even more it not really Palin who is a threat, its truth and honest expose of the goals, aims, and desires of the far left.

So once again Dirk, answering a real post with a petulant "Oh yea? well Bush (or fill in the blank with the favorite non point of the day) reveals a lack of either understanding or a recognition that you have no other point to use to refute a position. Leave the grade school "Your momma wears Army boots" approaches behind.

I just think it is laughable that you think people are scared of her. No one is scared of Palin in fact most people I know welcome the fact that maybe she will get the nomination and run for POTUS so her nonsense will be exposed even more than it is now.

I read a article the other day where now she is trying to convince the Tea Party people to make an exception for the Defense Dept wasteful spending and have them go against everything they supposedly stood up for. She is a hypocrite of the tallest order.

And I just want to add that part of the reason why I responded the way that I did is because you never once stood up and complained about the way the right was scared of Obama and was always making personal attacks. You stood silent and you somehow think the left is all to blame and the right's shit don't stink. Well let me clue you in the right's shit does stink just as much as the left and Palin is a huge part of that.

Omaha
07-02-2010, 10:52 AM
Palin scares the left if for no other reason that she represents everything they fear. Irrational as it is, you never hear a critique of her that has ay real basis beyond statements like she is stupid or they don't care for her manner of speech, or she's too folksy.

You see those same sentiments assigned to many groups that are not leftist by the left. They look down on those they see as common. Working class people, guys in pickup trucks or people who hunt and fish. You see it here on this board. The working unclean.

The liberal elite will always harbor distain for anyone with a speech or dialect be it southern accents or a North Dakota speech. Its always been that way. Farmers and rural folk, those who have an "antipathy for things they don't understand" clinging to guns and religion...sound familiar?

People fear those things they cannot control or that represent things that are a threat. Palin in many ways is seen as threat because she seems to relish shining a light into the dark corners of liberalism and progressivism. Thats where the things the left wants to be hidden are kept and shows what they are really all about. Palin is not the the threat, but she certainly exposes the the left in ways they fear.

The personalization of their attack mode on her demonstrates to me two key things. One, they have to make it personal because they have no other bullets to shoot. And two, she is hitting them exactly where they know they are weak and exposed. They can deal with the politics as usual of moderates who want to try to fight in the middle on essentially non issues in debate. They cannot deal with someone who has no interest in coming together and hits hard in ways people can relate to and understand.


I think the republican party has been hurt by 'social conservatives' like Palin. Most of the country seems to fall into the category of 'fiscal conservative' (at least in theory), but most people don't want to be told how to live. If republicans would leave the social issues alone & focus on being fiscally responsible, I think they'd have no problems. They need to get back to their concept of smaller government & keep their noses out of people's personal lives.

I believe Palin's problems are compounded because she comes off like a moron. That makes her seem every bit as self righteous & elitist as the left.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Betcha dollars to donuts, Obama was "affirmitive actioned" pretty much all his life. So I guess his "family connections" were 'WE' the US taxpayer, uh?

Actually, the bill at Harvard was paid for by a Saudi Arabian.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 11:07 AM
A little part of me wants her to disappear for the good of the country.

A larger part of me wants her to stick around for the comedy.

And I bet that part's getting larger every time you see her?;)

BucEyedPea
07-02-2010, 11:08 AM
I won't vote for her either. But the obsessive criticism of her by the left is over the top and says more about them. I won't vote for any of their chosen either.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 11:09 AM
Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm not against her either. I do find it comical when people try to say she isn't qualified to be Prez though....I mean look at the clown that WAS in there for 8 years.

FYP.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 11:11 AM
For the Republicans' sake, she needs to fall off the face of the planet. I can not stand to see or hear her, and if I do it imprints very negative thoughts about the Republican Party.

Won't help. There's always Michelle Bachmann.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 11:11 AM
B.O. is flushing our country down the toilet.

LET'S TALK ABOUT SARAH PALIN, INSTEAD!

BucEyedPea
07-02-2010, 11:12 AM
Won't help. There's always Michelle Bachmann.

I like and respect Michelle Bachmann much more.

alpha_omega
07-02-2010, 11:28 AM
She'd be the bomb if she were black or hispanic though, right...left?

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 11:29 AM
She'd be the bomb if she were black or hispanic though, right...left?

And divorced and aborted at least one of her children.

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 11:30 AM
And I just want to add that part of the reason why I responded the way that I did is because you never once stood up and complained about the way the right was scared of Obama and was always making personal attacks. You stood silent and you somehow think the left is all to blame and the right's shit don't stink. Well let me clue you in the right's shit does stink just as much as the left and Palin is a huge part of that.

Well, it would seem that based on performance to date, most every fear that was brought up has been realized.

Was the right afraid of Obama? Indeed, and as we see rightfully so. And maybe we should all be afraid of the level of incompetence he demonstrates and the seemingly endless efforts to ignore the will of the people and the good of the country as he plods forward doing more and more damage.

You and your left buddies on here have all become a bit of a sad sack bunch with no help from your man. You all see he is becoming the failure others predicted, he has not delivered on things he said he would, he has turned his back on key issues you all fought for as major reasons to vote for him, he has made hope and change a joke.

Its easy to understand the letdown. We saw the same thing in 72-74 when Nixon let down a ton of people who believed in him. What was it meme was saying back before the election...meet the new boss boss same as the old boss?...and you and others bashed that hard as hell...and guess what. He's not only same old politics, he is worse with same old Chicago politics. And all that adds up to ammunition that Palin seems to deliver as well as anyone.

Were there personal attacks? Sure. Thats called "politics". Get over it.


Is Palin a threat? You better believe it. Not as a easily electable candidate but every leftwinger I know has this almost immediate hate reaction to her bordering on the irrational. And it is because regardless of your petty and shallow hatred of her, she hits the left where they have no defense.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Well, it would seem that based on performance to date, most every fear that was brought up has been realized.

Was the right afraid of Obama? Indeed, and as we see rightfully so. And maybe we should all be afraid of the level of incompetence he demonstrates and the seemingly endless efforts to ignore the will of the people and the good of the country as he plods forward doing more and more damage.

You and your left buddies on here have all become a bit of a sad sack bunch with no help from your man. You all see he is becoming the failure others predicted, he has not delivered on things he said he would, he has turned his back on key issues you all fought for as major reasons to vote for him, he has made hope and change a joke.

Its easy to understand the letdown. We saw the same thing in 72-74 when Nixon let down a ton of people who believed in him. What was it meme was saying back before the election...meet the new boss boss same as the old boss?...and you and others bashed that hard as hell...and guess what. He's not only same old politics, he is worse with same old Chicago politics. And all that adds up to ammunition that Palin seems to deliver as well as anyone.

Were there personal attacks? Sure. Thats called "politics". Get over it.


Is Palin a threat? You better believe it. Not as a easily electable candidate but every leftwinger I know has this almost immediate hate reaction to her bordering on the irrational. And it is because regardless of your petty and shallow hatred of her, she hits the left where they have no defense.

Once again no one is scared of Palin. I hope she runs and wins the nomination because she will get beat by 10+ points even by such a supposedly shitty POTUS like Obama. When the time comes we can make a friendly wager if you have the guts to take the bet.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 11:57 AM
Once again no one is scared of Palin. I hope she runs and wins the nomination because she will get beat by 10+ points even by such a supposedly shitty POTUS like Obama. When the time comes we can make a friendly wager if you have the guts to take the bet.

You're still not convinced?

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 11:57 AM
Once again no one is scared of Palin. I hope she runs and wins the nomination because she will get beat by 10+ points even by such a supposedly shitty POTUS like Obama. When the time comes we can make a friendly wager if you have the guts to take the bet.

Im not sure I could vote for her. Its not her that is frightening you on the left its her message. You demonize her as a means of undermining her but the message is so spot on and so acceptable to so many, you cannot hold back the tide of truth and the list of Obama failures.

Dirk, if the left did not fear her, they would do all they can to secure her a spot on the republican ticket, not throw out the school yard lines you and the rest do all the time.

You and your boy have created this. He is a disaster. Wake up before its too late.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 12:05 PM
Im not sure I could vote for her. Its not her that is frightening you on the left its her message. You demonize her as a means of undermining her but the message is so spot on and so acceptable to so many, you cannot hold back the tide of truth and the list of Obama failures.

Dirk, if the left did not fear her, they would do all they can to secure her a spot on the republican ticket, not throw out the school yard lines you and the rest do all the time.

You and your boy have created this. He is a disaster. Wake up before its too late.

Her message isn't frightening either because frankly she doesn't have a coherent one to begin with. She just rambles on and on and never really says anything. I think she is kind of funny because she is always blaming some big conspiracy for the corrupt things she does. All those evil people are out to get me bs.

And hcf if you think the insults are bad now wait until she officially runs and the boys on the right start going after her.

Donger
07-02-2010, 12:07 PM
Once again no one is scared of Palin. I hope she runs and wins the nomination because she will get beat by 10+ points even by such a supposedly shitty POTUS like Obama. When the time comes we can make a friendly wager if you have the guts to take the bet.

You actually want Obama to have a second term?

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 12:10 PM
You actually want Obama to have a second term?

As it stands right now I would vote for him over any of the Republican front runners. Romney and Pawlenty would probably be the only ones I could vote for.

Donger
07-02-2010, 12:14 PM
As it stands right now I would vote for him over any of the Republican front runners. Romney and Pawlenty would probably be the only ones I could vote for.

You could always note vote. But, I guess you do want him to have a second term?

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 12:16 PM
You could always note vote. But, I guess you do want him to have a second term?

I will always vote. It depends on what happens in the next 2 years and what the choices are.

Donger
07-02-2010, 12:17 PM
I will always vote. It depends on what happens in the next 2 years.

Fair enough. I used to feel the same way, but I'll never do another McCain-Palin.

BigMeatballDave
07-02-2010, 12:23 PM
My Opinion? I'd fuck the shit outta her repeatedly.

FishingRod
07-02-2010, 12:37 PM
She and the POTUS are the same people. Inexperienced , under-qualified, over-hyped, photogenic parrots, constantly repeating what they have been taught to say. She is just repeating the conservative talking points instead of the liberal ones. Yet I have to admit they are both shrewd enough to have set their selves up for life by playing the political game better than everyone else.

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 01:14 PM
Her message isn't frightening either because frankly she doesn't have a coherent one to begin with. She just rambles on and on and never really says anything. I think she is kind of funny because she is always blaming some big conspiracy for the corrupt things she does. All those evil people are out to get me bs.

And hcf if you think the insults are bad now wait until she officially runs and the boys on the right start going after her.


You believe the issue is insults when the content of the message is the spear the left will dive on. Failed president, failed policies, failed spending, and a weakened country all in Obama and the lefts lap. With that as a backdrop you run to battle with insults and little word games.

You cannot hear the message she has because you refuse to open yourself to anything but what is fed to you by the democrats and lefties. You shoot the messenger and never hear the message.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 01:23 PM
He got in because of Daddy. Bush has never earned anything in his life without family connections.

I see. So the standard for intellectual prowess isn't only where you went to school but the manner in which you were accepted.
Do you think obama had any special consideration from the admissions dpartment based on his African American classification?

orange
07-02-2010, 02:02 PM
She'd be the bomb if she were black or hispanic though, right...left?

Yeah, 'cause the left just loves us some Linda Chavez... right?

ClevelandBronco
07-02-2010, 02:12 PM
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of folks who want to make their own party represent very narrow and exclusive interests. The typical criteria for inclusion or exclusion are usually social or fiscal in nature.

You know what? Exclusion is the surest way to lose elections.

You don't like Palin? Fine. Suck it up and focus on the votes she attracts away from the opposition. Palin isn't the issue. She's just talking about the issues, and whether you personally think she's wrong about quite a few of them is immaterial to the success of your party.

orange
07-02-2010, 02:20 PM
You don't like Palin? Fine. Suck it up and focus on the votes she attracts away from the opposition. Palin isn't the issue. She's just talking about the issues, and whether you personally think she's wrong about quite a few of them is immaterial to the success of your party.

In the case of Palin, she IS the issue. She's a fake.

I used to defend her here - but she lost me completely when SHE QUIT.

She's gone off the deep end since then. A few days ago, for example, she gave much-ballyhooed speech at some California college. In her opening remarks, she praised California as the home of "her hero" Ronald Reagan - the pride of California's Eureka College.*

For a six-figure speech that she had a month or more to prepare for, she couldn't be bothered to get the most basic facts about "her hero" right.


* Reagan is the pride of Eureka College in Eureka, IL. California doesn't even have a "Eureka College"

BigChiefFan
07-02-2010, 02:26 PM
Romney was for the bailouts. Next candidate, please. Palin definitely seems like an unqualified bimbo, who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. If that's who the Republicans pick as their leading candidates. I'll be writing in a name. I wish more people would back independents and third party candidates, because the choices from the big two are abyssmal at this point, IMO.

ClevelandBronco
07-02-2010, 02:28 PM
In the case of Palin, she IS the issue. She's a fake.

She's one of the strongest issues the democrat party has as long as they can continue to convince voters to mistake a person for an issue.

Your strategy is working just fine so far.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 02:29 PM
Two words:

Nailin' Palin

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 02:31 PM
In the case of Palin, she IS the issue. She's a fake.

I used to defend her here - but she lost me completely when SHE QUIT.

ROFL

This coming from Obama's biggest bootlicker (now that BRC is no longer here).

orange
07-02-2010, 02:34 PM
She's one of the strongest issues the democrat party has as long as they can continue to convince voters to mistake a person for an issue.

Your strategy is working just fine so far.

"Our" strategy will continue to work as long as she continues to run for President.

What are you going to do when "your" party nominates her?

*Kching* - another Independent registered.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 02:35 PM
You believe the issue is insults when the content of the message is the spear the left will dive on. Failed president, failed policies, failed spending, and a weakened country all in Obama and the lefts lap. With that as a backdrop you run to battle with insults and little word games.

You cannot hear the message she has because you refuse to open yourself to anything but what is fed to you by the democrats and lefties. You shoot the messenger and never hear the message.

Then what separates her from all the conservatives that say the same thing?

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Then what separates her from all the conservatives that say the same thing?

You.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 02:36 PM
In the case of Palin, she IS the issue. She's a fake.

I used to defend her here - but she lost me completely when SHE QUIT.

She's gone off the deep end since then. A few days ago, for example, she gave much-ballyhooed speech at some California college. In her opening remarks, she praised California as the home of "her hero" Ronald Reagan - the pride of California's Eureka College.*

For a six-figure speech that she had a month or more to prepare for, she couldn't be bothered to get the most basic facts about "her hero" right.


* Reagan is the pride of Eureka College in Eureka, IL. California doesn't even have a "Eureka College"


Please don't criticize us for mixing up the names of towns when we are on tour.

Signed,
Most Political Candidates that have hit the election trail, every rock band to ever go out on tour, most authors who have done a book signing trip, guest speakers and commencement address givers worldwide.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 02:38 PM
In the case of Palin, she IS the issue. She's a fake.

I used to defend her here - but she lost me completely when SHE QUIT.

She's gone off the deep end since then. A few days ago, for example, she gave much-ballyhooed speech at some California college. In her opening remarks, she praised California as the home of "her hero" Ronald Reagan - the pride of California's Eureka College.*

For a six-figure speech that she had a month or more to prepare for, she couldn't be bothered to get the most basic facts about "her hero" right.


* Reagan is the pride of Eureka College in Eureka, IL. California doesn't even have a "Eureka College"

LMAO

Is that the college that paid her a ton of money potentially illegally to speak and then she bashes the people who were trying to seek the truth?

orange
07-02-2010, 02:42 PM
Please don't criticize us for mixing up the names of towns when we are on tour.

Signed,
Most Political Candidates that have hit the election trail, every rock band to ever go out on tour, most authors who have done a book signing trip, guest speakers and commencement address givers worldwide.

"...this is Reagan country and (applause), YEAH! And perhaps it was destiny that the man who went to California's Eureka College would become so woven within and inter-linked to the Golden State.'' (You can watch it yourself at about minute 4:30 into a rockin', rollin', rollickin' speech (http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/26/1225640/palin-brings-message-to-turlock.html).)

Sorry, but "mixing up the name" doesn't wash. This was her PREPARED SPEECH.

Given that she had done a speech in IL in April - organized by Eureka College - she's either too stupid to remember six weeks, or she was simply pandering because she thought her audience was stupid.

orange
07-02-2010, 02:43 PM
LMAO

Is that the college that paid her a ton of money potentially illegally to speak and then she bashes the people who were trying to seek the truth?

The very one.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 02:44 PM
LMAO

Is that the college that paid her a ton of money potentially illegally to speak and then she bashes the people who were trying to seek the truth?

Dirk, where did you go to college? Pay mommy and daddy back, yet?

ROFL

vailpass
07-02-2010, 02:45 PM
"...this is Reagan country and (applause), YEAH! And perhaps it was destiny that the man who went to California's Eureka College would become so woven within and inter-linked to the Golden State.'' (You can watch it yourself at about minute 4:30 into a rockin', rollin', rollickin' speech (http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/26/1225640/palin-brings-message-to-turlock.html).)

Sorry, but "mixing up the name" doesn't wash. This was her PREPARED SPEECH.

Given that she had done a speech in IL in April - organized by Eureka College - she's either too stupid to remember six weeks, or she was simply pandering because she thought her audience was stupid.

I'm no Palin fan but the double standards deployed by you and your ilk grow tiresome.
2 years or so and counting.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 02:49 PM
Dirk, where did you go to college? Pay mommy and daddy back, yet?

ROFL

WTF are you talking about? I paid my own way along with the GI bill. Thanks for asking though.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 02:49 PM
WTF are you talking about? I paid my own way along with the GI bill. Thanks for asking though.

Oh, no, the taxpayer did, dipshit.

What college did you go to?

BigChiefFan
07-02-2010, 02:49 PM
BOTH SIDES are the same wolf in sheep's clothing. She was vetted by Henry Kissinger, for God's sake. She linked herself to McCain, one of the Keating Five.

I want LEADERS, not pagent queens. We need leaders, who actually have REAL THOUGHTS and common sense approach, not people who can't even keep up with simple concepts. A leader FOR THE PEOPLE, not on the take, like most politicans.

I see her as just another empty suit, who aligned herself with career politicians. Quit falling for the same shit every 4 years. WAKE UP. BOTH PARTIES are trashed and need to be kicked out. BOTH. This is why nothing ever gets done for the common man, because people allow it to happen, by falling for the same old song and dance year after year, after year. Neither party has your best interest in mind, the sooner some of you realize this, the sooner we can get back to real reform. Until then, we're pissing in the wind.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 02:50 PM
Given that she had done a speech in IL in April - organized by Eureka College - she's either too stupid to remember six weeks, or she was simply pandering because she thought her audience was stupid.

Can I take both options please?

Dave Lane
07-02-2010, 02:52 PM
Why? Im neither a Palin pro or con. But I would like to know more why those who really have a negative impression of her why they have such strong feelings.

Here's a spoiler for you because you probably won't understand what I'm about to tell you. She's borderline retarded. She is as dumb as a box of rocks. I hope she runs for President every election cycle from now to the end of time.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 02:52 PM
Oh, no, the taxpayer did, dipshit.

What college did you go to?

Partly I have 2 degrees from the same college from separate times.

Call Me Stupid University

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 02:54 PM
"...this is Reagan country and (applause), YEAH! And perhaps it was destiny that the man who went to California's Eureka College would become so woven within and inter-linked to the Golden State.'' (You can watch it yourself at about minute 4:30 into a rockin', rollin', rollickin' speech (http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/26/1225640/palin-brings-message-to-turlock.html).)

Sorry, but "mixing up the name" doesn't wash. This was her PREPARED SPEECH.

Given that she had done a speech in IL in April - organized by Eureka College - she's either too stupid to remember six weeks, or she was simply pandering because she thought her audience was stupid.

YOu seriously want to go there?

ROFL

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Der Flöprer
07-02-2010, 02:55 PM
Actually, we had the worst president ever for 8 years right before Obama was elected. Thanks for playing though.

We sure did. Now we magically have a guy that swore he was 180 degrees polar opposite, from the other political party this country has to offer pushing some of the same agendas that Bush did. Coincidence? I think fucking not.

Der Flöprer
07-02-2010, 02:57 PM
BOTH SIDES are the same wolf in sheep's clothing. She was vetted by Henry Kissinger, for God's sake. She linked herself to McCain, one of the Keating Five.

I want LEADERS, not pagent queens. We need leaders, who actually have REAL THOUGHTS and common sense approach, not people who can't even keep up with simple concepts. A leader FOR THE PEOPLE, not on the take, like most politicans.

I see her as just another empty suit, who aligned herself with career politicians. Quit falling for the same shit every 4 years. WAKE UP. BOTH PARTIES are trashed and need to be kicked out. BOTH. This is why nothing ever gets done for the common man, because people allow it to happen, by falling for the same old song and dance year after year, after year. Neither party has your best interest in mind, the sooner some of you realize this, the sooner we can get back to real reform. Until then, we're pissing in the wind.

Oh man. I'm seeing this more and more in this forum. You people are starting to give me hope. Real hope that will hopefully lead to real change.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 03:00 PM
Oh man. I'm seeing this more and more in this forum. You people are starting to give me hope. Real hope that will hopefully lead to real change.

I wouldn't get your hopes too high. As soon as 2012 rolls around everyone will be backing the traditional candidates.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 03:04 PM
So Mad Crapper did you go to college and if so where?

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 03:07 PM
So Mad Crapper did you go to college and if so where?

None of your business. I'm not the one on here making fun of people because of where they went to school.

We all can't be black and go to Harvard and have a Saudi Arabian pay our tuition, you know. And then make a career in politics playing the race card.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 03:10 PM
In all seriousness though, my position on Palin has changed.
It started out as missionary, then went to cowboy. I flip-flopped a little then adapted a new position: reverse cowboy. I did a 180 degree turn last year though and for a short time was in the motorboat camp. Coming up for air I assumed a doggy position which is where I currently reside although I intend to stage a coup by moving my forces just a little bit north which I think will come as quite a surprise.

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 03:10 PM
None of your business. I'm not the one on here making fun of people because of where they went to school.

We all can't be black and go to Harvard and have a Saudi Arabian pay our tuition, you know. And then make a career in politics playing the race card.

Geez I was just making conservation and I wasn't making fun of where she went to college we were talking about her speech at a college.

You are awful sensitive have you douched today? :)

Der Flöprer
07-02-2010, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes too high. As soon as 2012 rolls around everyone will be backing the traditional candidates.

I know. But I'm hopeful that people are starting to wake up to some degree. I honestly think we're fucked as long as we keep the status quo. The fact though, is that every one gets a vote. And the majority of Americans vote however their favorite celebrity tells them too.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2010, 03:14 PM
Geez I was just making conservation and I wasn't making fun of where she went to college we were talking about her speech at a college.

You are awful sensitive have you douched today? :)

Sarah Palin didn't ask to be VP, McCain asked her to be on the ticket. Your boy B.O. wanted to be president.

Well, he got it.

And he's a complete failure.

So why you're even talking about Sarah Palin is actually pretty disturbing. You should just slink away like a worm like BRC did.

:p

BigChiefFan
07-02-2010, 03:16 PM
We sure did. Now we magically have a guy that swore he was 180 degrees polar opposite, from the other political party this country has to offer pushing some of the same agendas that Bush did. Coincidence? I think ****ing not.The problem is Obama actually preached a good game and then cut off the people at the knees, so-to-speak. I see no way out of this, short of electing a Ron Paul, Tom Colburn type because of the stranglehold the parties have. We need to freeze the debt, pay it off immediately and give the TREASURY and Congress the say in our monetary system. Our rights have been trampled...Congress shall make NO LAWS...

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 03:18 PM
I know. But I'm hopeful that people are starting to wake up to some degree. I honestly think we're fucked as long as we keep the status quo. The fact though, is that every one gets a vote. And the majority of Americans vote however their favorite celebrity tells them too.

IMHO as long as the 2-party system stays intact there will be very little change

dirk digler
07-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Sarah Palin didn't ask to be VP, McCain asked her to be on the ticket. Your boy B.O. wanted to be president.

Well, he got it.

And he's a complete failure.

So why you're even talking about Sarah Palin is actually pretty disturbing. You should just slink away like a worm like BRC did.

:p

It is not like he told her either be the VP or I will burn your house down but you have to give me a blowjob first.

So why are you talking about Palin? And if I left you know you would miss me.

BigChiefFan
07-02-2010, 03:24 PM
IMHO as long as the 2-party system stays intact there will be very little change

Agreed. I plan on voting for a lot of third party candidates in the upcoming elections. I'll also vote for party candidates, if they have have policies and/or a track record that I think puts the People of this country first and foremost, but I'm hopeful some independents and third party candidates run and help shake up the stranglehold.

RJ
07-02-2010, 03:37 PM
So why you're even talking about Sarah Palin is actually pretty disturbing. You should just slink away like a worm like BRC did.
:p




So why are you talking about Palin?



I'm going to take a guess and say that you're both talking about Palin because she is the subject of the thread.

It's a shot in the dark.

Baby Lee
07-02-2010, 03:42 PM
Oh, no, the taxpayer did, dipshit.

What college did you go to?

Hey dipshit. If he was on the GI Bill, it was recompense for service provided.

Gracie Dean
07-02-2010, 03:43 PM
So Mad Crapper did you go to college and if so where?

he went to the college of dumb shits


that is why it is all he does. fling it all day long. Nothing else.

Gracie Dean
07-02-2010, 03:44 PM
None of your business. I'm not the one on here making fun of people because of where they went to school.

We all can't be black and go to Harvard and have a Saudi Arabian pay our tuition, you know. And then make a career in politics playing the race card.

In other words, NONE at all. Probably a ditch digger living in his mama's basement eating cheetos. Its why his dick is also orange

vailpass
07-02-2010, 03:52 PM
In other words, NONE at all. Probably a ditch digger living in his mama's basement eating cheetos. Its why his dick is also orange

That type of insult doesn't make you any better than him.

RJ
07-02-2010, 03:58 PM
In other words, NONE at all. Probably a ditch digger living in his mama's basement eating cheetos. Its why his dick is also orange


I'll be damned.

So that's it.

Thanks Pam, I guess I can cancel my appointment with the dermatologist.

|Zach|
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
That type of insult doesn't make you any better than him.

Funny, someone shits on a person who went through school on GI bill and Vali goes Chris Crocker in his defense.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 04:30 PM
Funny, someone shits on a person who went through school on GI bill and Vali goes Chris Crocker in his defense.

You have no idea what you are talking about, you couldn't be more wrong.

|Zach|
07-02-2010, 04:39 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about, you couldn't be more wrong.

Nah, it was pretty clear. TMC puts down someone for going to college on the GI bill and nothing...absolutely nothing from you. No big deal...that is just his game...he is worthless. But then someone slings his own crap back at him and there you are...ready to criticize.

Dave Lane
07-02-2010, 04:40 PM
In other words, NONE at all. Probably a ditch digger living in his mama's basement eating cheetos. Its why his dick is also orange

He's unemployed living off the rest of us like a frikken leech!

vailpass
07-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Nah, it was pretty clear. TMC puts down someone for going to college on the GI bill and nothing...absolutely nothing from you. No big deal...that is just his game...he is worthless. But then someone slings his own crap back at him and there you are...ready to criticize.

Again, you don't have all the facts. I have absolutely no reason to explain myself to you so I'll only tell you this once.

I've had more direct dealings with our defense contractors and servicemen in the last week than you have had in your entire life. I have a grandfather and an uncle laid to rest in Arlington.

There are a lot of valid criticisms you could level against me. Disrespect for our veteran heroes and current service men and women is not and never will be one of them.

|Zach|
07-02-2010, 04:44 PM
Again, you don't have all the facts. I have absolutely no reason to explain myself to you so I'll only tell you this once.

I've had more direct dealings with our defense contractors and servicemen in the last week than you have had in your entire life. I have a grandfather and an uncle laid to rest in Arlington.

There are a lot of valid criticisms you could level against me. Disrespect for our veteran heroes and current service men and women is not and never will be one of them.

I know about your values...I disagree with you on a lot of things but I have a pretty good understanding of your core values.

That is why it is surprising when someone shits on them you don't do anything because it is the kind of poster that fits in "on your side" of things.

I am making these posts because I agree with everything you wrote above.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 04:46 PM
You actually want Obama to have a second term?

Do you actually want Palin to have ANY term?

Frankie
07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
You could always note vote. But, I guess you do want him to have a second term?

What's a "note vote?" :shrug:

Frankie
07-02-2010, 04:53 PM
"Our" strategy will continue to work as long as she continues to run for President.

What are you going to do when "your" party nominates her?


This. Oh, hey, how about a Palin/Bachman ticket? Tell you what, hire Beck as their campaign manager.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 04:57 PM
So Mad Crapper did you go to college and if so where?

I think the answer to that is rather obvious.

vailpass
07-02-2010, 04:58 PM
What's a "note vote?" :shrug:

It's a vote written in green ink to show our support for hope and change!!!!!!

Frankie
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM
Sarah Palin didn't ask to be VP, McCain asked her to be on the ticket. Your boy B.O. wanted to be president.Sarah can't say no.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 05:03 PM
It's a vote written in green ink to show our support for hope and change!!!!!!

Meh, I just said that because Donger used to harp on every little typo I made. :)

vailpass
07-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Meh, I just said that because Donger used to harp on every little typo I made. :)

What happened to... ah crap what's his name....dude whose only purpose here was to correct every typo? I haven't seen him lately.

Frankie
07-02-2010, 05:09 PM
What happened to... ah crap what's his name....dude whose only purpose here was to correct every typo? I haven't seen him lately.

That wasn't Donger?

orange
07-02-2010, 06:03 PM
What happened to... ah crap what's his name....dude whose only purpose here was to correct every typo? I haven't seen him lately.

I thought his real purpose was to see how many red dots he could collect.

ClevelandBronco
07-02-2010, 06:04 PM
"Our" strategy will continue to work as long as she continues to run for President.

What are you going to do when "your" party nominates her?

*Kching* - another Independent registered.

Doesn't matter (well, at least it doesn't matter to me). I'm out of the Republican party and retired from voting.

RJ
07-02-2010, 07:40 PM
Doesn't matter (well, at least it doesn't matter to me). I'm out of the Republican party and retired from voting.


Interesting. I've been considering retiring from voting but I can't decide if that's the right thing to do. I think I'll continue to vote local but might stop voting national. Pretty much everything the candidates say is bullshit and I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two bullshits.

Or is it the greater of two bullshits?

Either way, i'm tired of it.

Bill Parcells
07-02-2010, 07:44 PM
shes an idiot. but so is Obama.

Pioli Zombie
07-02-2010, 07:45 PM
I have mixed feelings about her. Part of me wants to fuck her. Part of me wants her to give me a blow job. The other part of me wants her to be my mommy and I nurse on her.

Dave Lane
07-02-2010, 09:30 PM
None of your business. I'm not the one on here making fun of people because of where they went to school.

We all can't be black and go to Harvard and have a Saudi Arabian pay our tuition, you know. And then make a career in politics playing the race card.

Is your avatar a graph of your GPA?

ROYC75
07-02-2010, 09:50 PM
Another Palin thread, why ?

HonestChieffan
07-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Another Palin thread, why ?

keeps the focus off obama

RJ
07-02-2010, 10:13 PM
keeps the focus off obama


I haven't noticed notorious being an Obama fan. I think he was just asking a question.

Baby Lee
07-03-2010, 03:38 AM
Nah, it was pretty clear. TMC puts down someone for going to college on the GI bill and nothing...absolutely nothing from you. No big deal...that is just his game...he is worthless. But then someone slings his own crap back at him and there you are...ready to criticize.

FTR, vail thanked me for rebuking TMC for his remarks via rep before you chastised him for 'doing absolutely nothing.'

|Zach|
07-03-2010, 04:03 AM
FTR, vail thanked me for rebuking TMC for his remarks via rep before you chastised him for 'doing absolutely nothing.'

We spoke about it off thread.

vailpass
07-03-2010, 08:31 AM
FTR, vail thanked me for rebuking TMC for his remarks via rep before you chastised him for 'doing absolutely nothing.'

Appreciate it BL.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 10:10 AM
What happened to... ah crap what's his name....dude whose only purpose here was to correct every typo? I haven't seen him lately.

Bump

patteeu
07-03-2010, 10:16 AM
My opinion of Palin is that she's good for the Republican party but that she's not ready to be a good national candidate for the Republican party. Unlike Dan Quayle and maybe Newt Gingrich though, I think Palin could still redeem her reputation if she works hard, doesn't try to come back too early, and doesn't lose her attractiveness to old age.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 11:08 AM
It is not like he told her either be the VP or I will burn your house down but you have to give me a blowjob first.

So why are you talking about Palin? And if I left you know you would miss me.

I thought I was gonna miss BRC but I don't.

:D

Brainiac
07-03-2010, 11:19 AM
My opinion of Palin is that she's good for the Republican party but that she's not ready to be a good national candidate for the Republican party. Unlike Dan Quayle and maybe Newt Gingrich though, I think Palin could still redeem her reputation if she works hard, doesn't try to come back too early, and doesn't lose her attractiveness to old age.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

The only people who support Palin these days (and I suspect that's never going to change) are people who are already firmly in the Republican/Conservative camp.

Not only has Palin made a heckuva lot of people question her intelligence, but she has also provided some pretty convincing proof that she would wilt under any sort of pressure.

I wouldn't want to trust the leadership of the free world to somebody who can be made to look the fool by Katie Couric in a simple interview. And (as previously stated in this thread) she QUIT as governor of Alaska when it started to get a little hot and she was under a little bit of scrutiny.

It's too bad really. The Republicans NEED a candidate with charisma in order to take back the White House in 2012. But if Palin is foolish enough to run and the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate her, it will be a disaster.

gblowfish
07-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Basically she reminds me of every Olathe housewife I've ever seen in Target.

RJ
07-03-2010, 11:23 AM
Basically she reminds me of every Olathe housewife I've ever seen in Target.


Target is MILFalicious.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 12:03 PM
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

The only people who support Palin these days (and I suspect that's never going to change) are people who are already firmly in the Republican/Conservative camp.

Not only has Palin made a heckuva lot of people question her intelligence, but she has also provided some pretty convincing proof that she would wilt under any sort of pressure.

I wouldn't want to trust the leadership of the free world to somebody who can be made to look the fool by Katie Couric in a simple interview. And (as previously stated in this thread) she QUIT as governor of Alaska when it started to get a little hot and she was under a little bit of scrutiny.

It's too bad really. The Republicans NEED a candidate with charisma in order to take back the White House in 2012. But if Palin is foolish enough to run and the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate her, it will be a disaster.

I'm not sure where our disagreement is.

1. I agree that she only appeals to people who are already Republicans right now, but she energizes that segment of Republicans to an extent that other party "leaders" cannot match at the moment. She can deliver a significant portion of the base and if she wants to she can use that ability for the good of the party by bringing them out for the right candidate.

2. I agree that the odds are against her ever being able to appeal to moderates and marginal democrats like she would need to to be a viable POTUS or Vice POTUS candidate, but I think it's possible.

3. She wasn't up to the task in the last election and she made a lot of people question her intelligence. I don't think this is a permanent problem though. A lot of successful politicians could have been clowned if they were thrust onto too big of a stage too early in their careers without adequate preparation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come across as a competent candidate. She was unprepared for her Couric and Gibson interviews, but I guess we disagree if you think that was an indication that she's permanently unfit for the job.

4. Another possible point of disagreement between us is how important her resignation as governor was. You seem to think she left because the kitchen was too hot. I think she left because other opportunities were more attractive. Office holders do the latter all the time, although usually the better opportunity is more obvious. I don't think it's a big deal in reality. It may be a political obstacle, but it's not a sign that she's actually unfit.

Brainiac
07-03-2010, 12:21 PM
If Palin has Presidential aspirations, I think she should run for the Senate. She's not going to gain any meaningful political experience as a television personality, and Obama has shown that a candidate light on experience can use the Senate as a stepping stone to the White House.

At the very least she would learn how politics are practiced in Washington, DC, and she would have an opportunity to add greatly to her credibility as a candidate in the future.

I know that many conservatives will disagree with me on this, but I don't really think that Alaska is a large enough state to make a credible argument that it's the type of experience in the executive branch of government that qualifies someone to be President. With less than 700,000 residents, Alaska isn't a heck of a lot bigger than Kansas City. I don't think anyone would argue that being Mayor of Kansas City makes Mark Funkhouser qualified to be President.

dirk digler
07-03-2010, 12:30 PM
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

The only people who support Palin these days (and I suspect that's never going to change) are people who are already firmly in the Republican/Conservative camp.

Not only has Palin made a heckuva lot of people question her intelligence, but she has also provided some pretty convincing proof that she would wilt under any sort of pressure.

I wouldn't want to trust the leadership of the free world to somebody who can be made to look the fool by Katie Couric in a simple interview. And (as previously stated in this thread) she QUIT as governor of Alaska when it started to get a little hot and she was under a little bit of scrutiny.

It's too bad really. The Republicans NEED a candidate with charisma in order to take back the White House in 2012. But if Palin is foolish enough to run and the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate her, it will be a disaster.

You makes some excellent points as does Pat. The one area I will disagree with Pat on is if she can repair her image. That might have been valid if after the 08 elections she disappeared and didn't resurface until she was ready to run but she didn't. I think people need to remember the 2012 campaign starts in about 6 months so I think it is a little late for her to repair her image.

orange
07-03-2010, 01:01 PM
I saw something on a blog that's kind of amusing.


Palin's fans on her Facebook are convinced she's going to declare her candidacy on Ronald Reagan's 100th birthday. But as the blogger points out, that would be stupid. NO ONE announces ANYTHING on Super Bowl Sunday.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 02:14 PM
You makes some excellent points as does Pat. The one area I will disagree with Pat on is if she can repair her image. That might have been valid if after the 08 elections she disappeared and didn't resurface until she was ready to run but she didn't. I think people need to remember the 2012 campaign starts in about 6 months so I think it is a little late for her to repair her image.

Just to be clear, I don't think she can rehab her image in time for the 2012 election. It would have to be 2016 or later, IMO.

Frankie
07-03-2010, 03:53 PM
Is your avatar a graph of your GPA?

It must be a graph. GPA indicates at least an attempt at knowledge.

stevieray
07-03-2010, 04:31 PM
I think Dirk is in love with her...if she's metioned...he's there.

:D

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 04:38 PM
I think Dirk is in love with her...if she's metioned...he's there.

:D

I see you've changed your pants. Your ass looks much, much smaller now.

:D

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 04:46 PM
he went to the college of dumb shits


that is why it is all he does. fling it all day long. Nothing else.

Words hurt.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 04:50 PM
Funny, someone shits on a person who went through school on GI bill and Vali goes Chris Crocker in his defense.

:whackit:

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Is your avatar a graph of your GPA?

I'm sorry, I should have assumed you have bad eye sight, what with all the bad genes you got.

Better?


http://www.iaza.com/work/100702C/did_I_do_that7451514165-iaza.jpg

go bowe
07-03-2010, 05:25 PM
ROFL

This coming from Obama's biggest bootlicker (now that BRC is no longer here).hey, what have you got against bootlickers, anyway?

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 05:30 PM
hey, what have you got against bootlickers, anyway?

Hey, if that's his sick trip, he can go for it, it doesn't involve me.

Frankie
07-03-2010, 07:07 PM
It must be a graph. GPA indicates at least an attempt at knowledge.

ROFLROFLROFL

The Mad Crap (WHO HAS ME ON IGNORE) just neg-repped me for this. ROFL

What a loser!

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 07:11 PM
ROFLROFLROFL

The Mad Crap (WHO HAS ME ON IGNORE) just neg-repped me for this. ROFL

What a loser!

Gee, that's awesome.

:ZZZ:

Frankie
07-03-2010, 07:18 PM
Gee, that's awesome.

:ZZZ:

Gee, that's clever.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 07:47 PM
Gee, that's clever.

Are you done making a jackass out of yourself?

RedNFeisty
07-03-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm sorry, but anyone who likes Palin from a political standpoint must be a retarded moron. That would be like me running for VP or President, oh wait, I have only been the VP of the PTA, guess I wouldn't qualify.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 09:10 PM
I'm sorry, but anyone who likes Palin from a political standpoint must be a retarded moron. That would be like me running for VP or President, oh wait, I have only been the VP of the PTA, guess I wouldn't qualify.

What don't you like about her? The fact that she was only a little more experienced than our current failure-in-chief?

Pioli Zombie
07-03-2010, 09:42 PM
Target is MILFalicious.
As are Megachurches.

RedNFeisty
07-03-2010, 09:43 PM
Are you done making a jackass out of yourself?

You obviously aren't.

RedNFeisty
07-03-2010, 09:46 PM
What don't you like about her? The fact that she was only a little more experienced than our current failure-in-chief?


You betcha!!

I'm not saying that the powers to be are great, but I think Palin is a dip shit. Maybe she would be a great person to hang out with at a bbq, throwing a few beers back. But, to help run our country, no way in hell.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 09:59 PM
You betcha!!

I'm not saying that the powers to be are great, but I think Palin is a dip shit. Maybe she would be a great person to hang out with at a bbq, throwing a few beers back. But, to help run our country, no way in hell.

Personally, I think people confuse slickness with competence. I don't know if that's what's going on here or not, but I don't write her off as easily as you do. Joe Biden is as big a gaffe machine as she is and she's done pretty well for herself so I'm reluctant to conclude that she's a simpleton.

RedNFeisty
07-03-2010, 10:03 PM
Personally, I think people confuse slickness with competence. I don't know if that's what's going on here or not, but I don't write her off as easily as you do. Joe Biden is as big a gaffe machine as she is and she's done pretty well for herself so I'm reluctant to conclude that she's a simpleton.

The question presented wasn't what I though about Palin verses the current administration. It was what I thought about Palin. I think she got lucky because of her looks and the fact that many people want to feel they could sit and have a beer with the leaders. I do think she is a simpleton, I actually think she is very lacking in intelligence.

Count Alex's Losses
07-03-2010, 10:56 PM
Women should not be in positions of power.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 11:02 PM
The question presented wasn't what I though about Palin verses the current administration. It was what I thought about Palin. I think she got lucky because of her looks and the fact that many people want to feel they could sit and have a beer with the leaders. I do think she is a simpleton, I actually think she is very lacking in intelligence.

Right, that's the part I was addressing. It's only coincidence that the gaffe machine example I used was a member of the current administration, but I have a hunch that you don't hold Biden and other mistake-prone pols in the same low esteem as you do Palin.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 11:04 PM
Women should not be in positions of power.

That's a pretty strong point. LOL

RedNFeisty
07-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Right, that's the part I was addressing. It's only coincidence that the gaffe machine example I used was a member of the current administration, but I have a hunch that you don't hold Biden and other mistake-prone pols in the same low esteem as you do Palin.

Biden opens mouth and inserts foot all the time. However, you are correct, I do not think Biden is the idiot I think Palin is. I did vote for Obama, but I am very disappointed in what has transpired over the last couple of years. I lost respect for the administration when Goldman Sacs was appointed to the treasury, and it has been down hill since.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 10:30 AM
Are you done making a jackass out of me?

FYP.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 10:32 AM
What don't you like about her? The fact that she was only a little more experienced than our current failure-in-chief?

Sometimes I try to imagine Pat typing this stuff while trying hard to force back a laughter.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 10:32 AM
FYP.

Oh, good one.

:drool:

Frankie
07-04-2010, 10:33 AM
Women should not be in positions of power.

Then don't run.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 10:38 AM
Sometimes I try to imagine Pat typing this stuff while trying hard to force back a laughter.

Says the moron who voted for and continues to promote Barak Hussein Obama.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 12:17 PM
Says the moron who voted for and continues to promote Barak Hussein Obama.

Says the idiot who voted for a totally incompetent buffoon... TWICE!

The guy I voted for is still washing the shit your guy left behind.

And FYI, I was supporting Hillary. BO was only my second choice.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 01:17 PM
Says the idiot who voted for a totally incompetent buffoon... TWICE!

I don't regret voting for Bush, his opponents were Gore and Kerry. LMAO

Bush did a shit job his second term, I've said that repeatedly. Two good things came from it though, Alito and Roberts.

And FYI Kerry and Gore both won NJ so I really didn't have much impact on anything in the big picture.

Now go get me a glass of water.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 01:40 PM
Now go get me a glass of water.

Gladly. You do need to take your medication.

J Diddy
07-04-2010, 01:46 PM
I don't regret voting for Bush, his opponents were Gore and Kerry. LMAO

Bush did a shit job his second term, I've said that repeatedly. Two good things came from it though, Alito and Roberts.

And FYI Kerry and Gore both won NJ so I really didn't have much impact on anything in the big picture.

Now go get me a glass of water.

LOL McCain won MO, so you can't talk to us anymore.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2010, 01:49 PM
LOL McCain won MO, so you can't talk to us anymore.

Touche.

:clap:

patteeu
07-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Says the idiot who voted for a totally incompetent buffoon... TWICE!

The guy I voted for is still washing the shit your guy left behind.

And FYI, I was supporting Hillary. BO was only my second choice.

Isn't it about time to stop scapegoating Bush?

patteeu
07-04-2010, 03:29 PM
I don't regret voting for Bush, his opponents were Gore and Kerry. LMAO

Bush did a shit job his second term, I've said that repeatedly. Two good things came from it though, Alito and Roberts.

And FYI Kerry and Gore both won NJ so I really didn't have much impact on anything in the big picture.

Now go get me a glass of water.

Imagine how much worse things would be now if John Kerry had been in a position to replace O'Conner and Rehinquist.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 04:11 PM
Isn't it about time to stop scapegoating Bush?

No. There are a lot of people who realize the damage that guy inflicted to the economy and prosperity of this country cannot be undone in a year or two. I'm not saying I agree with every Obama move. But any POTUS following Duhbya would probably have to spend his/her first term just to turn the stampeding herd around. You don't have to agree with this notion. But just because Fox, Limbaugh, and Beck have decided to make fun of the "Blame it on Bush" notion it does not mean there's no merit to it.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Imagine how much worse things would be now if John Kerry had been in a position to replace O'Conner and Rehinquist.

I guess that should be filed under "to each his own" category. For our side it would be "Imagine how much better things would be now if John Kerry had been in a position to replace O'Conner and Rehinquist."

patteeu
07-04-2010, 04:19 PM
No. There are a lot of people who realize the damage that guy inflicted to the economy and prosperity of this country cannot be undone in a year or two. I'm not saying I agree with every Obama move. But any POTUS following Duhbya would probably have to spend his/her first term just to turn the stampeding heard around. You don't have to agree with this notion. But just because Fox, Limbaugh, and Beck have decided to make fun of the "Blame it on Bush" notion it does not mean there's no merit to it.

It's not just a year or two. The democrats have been running Congress for almost 4 years and they've had carte blanche control of both Congress and the WH for the better part of 2. Everything has gone to hell since the dems took over.

The things that Bush actually had control over haven't really changed much. We're still spending money for our presence in Iraq, we actually increased our spending on Afghanistan, and we still have prisoners in Gitmo. Those aren't the things that created the mess we're in though. The dems were in full partnership if not holding a controlling interest in the economy since before the recession started. The long, deep slide to double digit unemployment and the unprecedented deficits we now suffer with both smell overwhelmingly of donkey.

ClevelandBronco
07-04-2010, 04:22 PM
I guess that should be filed under "to each his own" category. For our side it would be "Imagine how much better things would be now if John Kerry had been in a position to replace O'Conner and Rehinquist."

I'd be curious to know which specific 5-4 rulings you think we would have benefited from if they had gone the other way.

ClevelandBronco
07-04-2010, 04:24 PM
...The long, deep slide to double digit unemployment and the unprecedented deficits we now suffer with both smell overwhelmingly of donkey.

Given the common usage of the word donkey around here, I'm trying not to take this personally.

Bill Parcells
07-04-2010, 04:26 PM
No. There are a lot of people who realize the damage that guy inflicted to the economy and prosperity of this country cannot be undone in a year or two. I'm not saying I agree with every Obama move. But any POTUS following Duhbya would probably have to spend his/her first term just to turn the stampeding heard around. You don't have to agree with this notion. But just because Fox, Limbaugh, and Beck have decided to make fun of the "Blame it on Bush" notion it does not mean there's no merit to it.

Do you know that once Reagan took office in 1981 he never mentioned Jimmy Cahters name? he just fixed shit. and it all started with firing the air traffic controllers. that even made the Russians shit their pants.

For the love of god all you liberals have to finally stop whining about Bush and eat your own plate of shit. served up big and hot ;)

Bill Parcells
07-04-2010, 04:29 PM
I remember April of 1993 Clinton was already taking full credit for the economy's turn around. even though he'd only been in office 2 months and hadnt done shit yet..lol..but he had the blame Bush card firmly planted in his back pocket had he needed it ;)

banyon
07-04-2010, 04:31 PM
It's not just a year or two. The democrats have been running Congress for almost 4 years and they've had carte blanche control of both Congress and the WH for the better part of 2. Everything has gone to hell since the dems took over.

The things that Bush actually had control over haven't really changed much. We're still spending money for our presence in Iraq, we actually increased our spending on Afghanistan, and we still have prisoners in Gitmo. Those aren't the things that created the mess we're in though. The dems were in full partnership if not holding a controlling interest in the economy since before the recession started. The long, deep slide to double digit unemployment and the unprecedented deficits we now suffer with both smell overwhelmingly of donkey.

Wait, when did things "go to hell"?

http://markets.money.cnn.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?z058a110az9021ba9a463c40ac8a7bb1b742eb9367

ClevelandBronco
07-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Wait, when did things "go to hell"?

http://markets.money.cnn.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?z058a110az9021ba9a463c40ac8a7bb1b742eb9367

The DJIA? That's what you use to measure this economy?

banyon
07-04-2010, 04:34 PM
I'd be curious to know which specific 5-4 rulings you think we would have benefited from if they had gone the other way.

For my part, I think Kerry would've pussed out and nominated a couple more Kennedy/Souter type moderates and we'd pretty much have the court of the 90's again. No 2nd Amendment reversal or Citizens United (or New London ,God that was an awful decision).

banyon
07-04-2010, 04:36 PM
The DJIA? That's what you use to measure this economy?

You pick whatever index you want, I'll wager it doesn't start going south for the first time on January 20, 2009.

You guys are trying the historical revisionism, but it really doesn't work as well when we are dealing with stuff that just happened less than a year and a half ago.

patteeu
07-04-2010, 04:42 PM
Wait, when did things "go to hell"?

http://markets.money.cnn.com/cgi-bin/upload.dll/file.png?z058a110az9021ba9a463c40ac8a7bb1b742eb9367

We went into recession at the end of 2007 about the time the first democrat actions were going into effect. Things really nose-dived around the time it looked like the democrats were going to get Obama in the White House.

ClevelandBronco
07-04-2010, 04:42 PM
You pick whatever index you want, I'll wager it doesn't start going south for the first time on January 20, 2009.

I would have to agree, but the DJIA is the last place I'd look for clues to this economy.

patteeu
07-04-2010, 04:44 PM
Given the common usage of the word donkey around here, I'm trying not to take this personally.

I probably should have said "ass" to avoid confusion. Good catch.

ClevelandBronco
07-04-2010, 04:49 PM
I probably should have said "ass" to avoid confusion. Good catch.

I'm not sure I'm in the clear with that one either, but I appreciate the effort.

banyon
07-04-2010, 04:49 PM
We went into recession at the end of 2007 about the time the first democrat actions were going into effect. Things really nose-dived around the time it looked like the democrats were going to get Obama in the White House.

What "democrat actions' were going into effect?

Also, regular economists have some other (you know non-political) explanations for why the market crashed that have zero to do with politics. I think you're smart enough to have heard of those.

banyon
07-04-2010, 04:52 PM
Do you know that once Reagan took office in 1981 he never mentioned Jimmy Cahters name? he just fixed shit. and it all started with firing the air traffic controllers. that even made the Russians shit their pants.

For the love of god all you liberals have to finally stop whining about Bush and eat your own plate of shit. served up big and hot ;)

To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we're going but where we've been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous.

The last decade has seen a series of recessions. There was a recession in 1970, in 1974, and again in the spring of 1980. Each time, unemployment increased and inflation soon turned up again. We coined the word "stagflation" to describe this.

Government's response to these recessions was to pump up the money supply and increase spending.

In the last six months of 1980, as an example, the money supply increased at the fastest rate in postwar history 13 percent. Inflation remained in double digits and Government spending increased at an annual rate of 17 percent. Interest rates reached a staggering 21 1/2 percent. There were eight million unemployed.

[...]

A year ago, Americans' faith in their governmental process was steadily declining. Six out of ten Americans were saying they were pessimistic about their future.

A new kind of defeatism was heard. Some said our domestic problems were uncontrollable that we had to learn to live with the-seemingly endless cycle of high inflation and high unemployment.

There were also pessimistic predictions about the relationship between our Administration and this Congress. It was said we could never work together. Well, those predictions were wrong. The record is clear, and I believe that history will remember this as an era of American renewal, remember this Administration as an Administration of change and remember this Congress as a Congress of destiny.

[...]

First, we must understand what's happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that's only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend and spend.

[...]

The only alternative being offered to this economic program is a return to the policies that gave us a trillion-dollar debt, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates and unemployment.

[...]

The budget in place when I took office had been projected as balanced. It turned out to have one of the biggest deficits in history.

[...]

Higher taxes would not mean lower deficits. If they did, how would we explain tax revenues more than doubled just since 1976, yet in that same six-year period we ran the largest series of deficits in our history. In 1980 tax revenues increased by $54 billion, and in 1980 we had one of our all-time biggest deficits.

patteeu
07-04-2010, 05:18 PM
What "democrat actions' were going into effect?

Also, regular economists have some other (you know non-political) explanations for why the market crashed that have zero to do with politics. I think you're smart enough to have heard of those.

All of them. By the time the recession started, democrats had been running the show for about a year. If we're going to blame politicians for the bad economy, let's remember that Bush didn't have the luxury of being dictator. He didn't even have a compliant Congress.

Bill Parcells
07-04-2010, 05:31 PM
To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we're going but where we've been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous.

The last decade has seen a series of recessions. There was a recession in 1970, in 1974, and again in the spring of 1980. Each time, unemployment increased and inflation soon turned up again. We coined the word "stagflation" to describe this.

Government's response to these recessions was to pump up the money supply and increase spending.

In the last six months of 1980, as an example, the money supply increased at the fastest rate in postwar history 13 percent. Inflation remained in double digits and Government spending increased at an annual rate of 17 percent. Interest rates reached a staggering 21 1/2 percent. There were eight million unemployed.

[...]

A year ago, Americans' faith in their governmental process was steadily declining. Six out of ten Americans were saying they were pessimistic about their future.

A new kind of defeatism was heard. Some said our domestic problems were uncontrollable that we had to learn to live with the-seemingly endless cycle of high inflation and high unemployment.

There were also pessimistic predictions about the relationship between our Administration and this Congress. It was said we could never work together. Well, those predictions were wrong. The record is clear, and I believe that history will remember this as an era of American renewal, remember this Administration as an Administration of change and remember this Congress as a Congress of destiny.

[...]

First, we must understand what's happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that's only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend and spend.

[...]

The only alternative being offered to this economic program is a return to the policies that gave us a trillion-dollar debt, runaway inflation, runaway interest rates and unemployment.

[...]

The budget in place when I took office had been projected as balanced. It turned out to have one of the biggest deficits in history.

[...]

Higher taxes would not mean lower deficits. If they did, how would we explain tax revenues more than doubled just since 1976, yet in that same six-year period we ran the largest series of deficits in our history. In 1980 tax revenues increased by $54 billion, and in 1980 we had one of our all-time biggest deficits.

ROFL

That makes sense. Reagan made sense. I have never heard Obama explain it like that! have you? I always hear the bad ways of the last 8 years. and thats it ;)

banyon
07-04-2010, 05:32 PM
All of them. By the time the recession started, democrats had been running the show for about a year. If we're going to blame politicians for the bad economy, let's remember that Bush didn't have the luxury of being dictator. He didn't even have a compliant Congress.

Nor did Congress have a compliant president to pass their programs by fiat.

So, which program(s) did you have in mind, or aren't there any you can identify in particular?

patteeu
07-04-2010, 06:20 PM
Nor did Congress have a compliant president to pass their programs by fiat.

So, which program(s) did you have in mind, or aren't there any you can identify in particular?

I could give you the entire list of legislation passed by that Congress if it would make you feel better, but it's not only what they passed but also what they didn't pass that matters. The point is that they were, at worst, joint owners of the government's actions in the year leading up to the recession. Those who blame Bush, including the current POTUS, conveniently ignore this.

banyon
07-04-2010, 06:36 PM
I could give you the entire list of legislation passed by that Congress if it would make you feel better, but it's not only what they passed but also what they didn't pass that matters. The point is that they were, at worst, joint owners of the government's actions in the year leading up to the recession. Those who blame Bush, including the current POTUS, conveniently ignore this.

I don't need the entire list, how about 1 or two programs passed in 2007 that were the supposed impetus behind the economic crash would be nice.

patteeu
07-04-2010, 06:44 PM
I don't need the entire list, how about 1 or two programs passed in 2007 that were the supposed impetus behind the economic crash would be nice.

Did you not understand my post?

Frankie
07-04-2010, 06:58 PM
It's not just a year or two. The democrats have been running Congress for almost 4 years and they've had carte blanche control of both Congress and the WH for the better part of 2. Everything has gone to hell since the dems took over.

I agree with you. I also am very disappointed in the Dems and Obama. Not for the same reason as yours. But for the frustrating fact that they arestill trying to appease the obstructionist "say no to everything" Repubs. I think Obama's position should be, "We were elected by a landslide based on what we promised. We will do as promised whether Republicans like it or not."

Frankie
07-04-2010, 07:01 PM
I'd be curious to know which specific 5-4 rulings you think we would have benefited from if they had gone the other way.

I was talking in general terms, CB, pointing out that a Left leaning SC makes us happy as a right slanted Sc does you. That's all.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 07:17 PM
Do you know that once Reagan took office in 1981 he never mentioned Jimmy Cahters name? he just fixed shit. and it all started with firing the air traffic controllers. that even made the Russians shit their pants.

Sorry, I know the Right loves to prop up Reagan as their hero, but as a POTUS he was quite over-rated. Let me put it this way. If I put down my credit cards an buy all kinds of beautiful furniture and appliances for my house It'd look like I'm rich. UNTILL THE BILLS CATCH UP WITH ME. reagan's economic policy helped the economic decor for the duration of his terms. Soon after the economy went to the crapper.

As for the Russians, it had nothing to do with Reagan firing the traffic controllers. They shit their pants because their economic dam was about to burst under the heavy corruption and a system that could not sustain the competition they were conducting with the U.S. (Space program, etc.) Reagan just pushed them off the cliff and I give him credit for that. But they were already standing at the edge and wobbling when he did it.

And then there were the de-regulations that he pretty much started. And we know how that's turned out.

Brainiac
07-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Sorry, I know the Right loves to prop up Reagan as their hero, but as a POTUS he was quite over-rated. Let me put it this way. If I put down my credit cards an buy all kinds of beautiful furniture and appliances for my house It'd look like I'm rich. UNTILL THE BILLS CATCH UP WITH ME. reagan's economic policy helped the economic decor for the duration of his terms. Soon after the economy went to the crapper.

As for the Russians, it had nothing to do with Reagan firing the traffic controllers. They shit their pants because their economic dam was about to burst under the heavy corruption and a system that could not sustain the competition they were conducting with the U.S. (Space program, etc.) Reagan just pushed them off the cliff and I give him credit for that. But they were already standing at the edge and wobbling when he did it.

And then there were the de-regulations that he pretty much started. And we know how that's turned out.

There is so much FAIL in this post that it's hard to know where to begin. Reagan's economic policies led to 25 years of prosperity. That's a helluva lot longer than Reagan's term in office.

Your simple analogy of credit card debt ignores the fact that Reagan ended the stagflation of the Carter years primarily by getting the government off the backs of the American people by drastically cutting the tax rates. It was a drastic change to our nation's way of doing business that energized the economy and created an infectious optimism that pulled us out of the recession he inherited from Carter.

He did run up the deficit more than I would have liked, but he spent much of that money on the Strategic Defense Initiative and other defense spending. At the time the Democrats loved to ridicule him, but he had the last laugh when the USSR collapsed. Maybe the Russians were standing at the edge of the cliff, but if Obama had been President at the time, the Soviet Union would never have collapsed. Hell, we might all be speaking Russian today. Obama would never have spent the amount of money on defense that Reagan did because he would have been too busy completing the destruction of our economy that Jimmy Carter began.

vailpass
07-04-2010, 08:28 PM
Sorry, I know the Right loves to prop up Reagan as their hero, but as a POTUS he was quite over-rated. Let me put it this way. If I put down my credit cards an buy all kinds of beautiful furniture and appliances for my house It'd look like I'm rich. UNTILL THE BILLS CATCH UP WITH ME. reagan's economic policy helped the economic decor for the duration of his terms. Soon after the economy went to the crapper.

As for the Russians, it had nothing to do with Reagan firing the traffic controllers. They shit their pants because their economic dam was about to burst under the heavy corruption and a system that could not sustain the competition they were conducting with the U.S. (Space program, etc.) Reagan just pushed them off the cliff and I give him credit for that. But they were already standing at the edge and wobbling when he did it.

And then there were the de-regulations that he pretty much started. And we know how that's turned out.

Shut the **** up with this you iranian sucker of cox.

RedNFeisty
07-04-2010, 08:32 PM
No. There are a lot of people who realize the damage that guy inflicted to the economy and prosperity of this country cannot be undone in a year or two. I'm not saying I agree with every Obama move. But any POTUS following Duhbya would probably have to spend his/her first term just to turn the stampeding heard around. You don't have to agree with this notion. But just because Fox, Limbaugh, and Beck have decided to make fun of the "Blame it on Bush" notion it does not mean there's no merit to it.

I agree with this completely.

Btw, Fox, Limbaugh, and Beck are idiots as well, along with Palin. :D

RedNFeisty
07-04-2010, 08:43 PM
Personally, I think the right and left need to stop fighting. Nothing is going to be accomplished as long as each side thinks their way is the only way. The struggle between the two has gotten so bad that they can not see the trees for the forest. I don't have the answer, but I'm tired of hearing how one side is worse then the other, truth of the matter is, there is common ground to be found if both sides would shut the fuck up and listen to the common man. Unfortunately, the common man is so busy arguing against each other too, just like in this forum. Get back to the basics and start at ground zero.

As for Regan and the prosperity of this nation. It is called credit card debit and keeping up with the Jones. Everything was going great until the stock market and housing market went to pot, then the veil was lifted and you can see where we are now. I have nothing against Regan or his time in the office, but that is when the debit started getting racked up.

I don't want to be involved in name calling, I am just stating my opinion.

Frankie
07-04-2010, 08:47 PM
I don't want to be involved in name calling, I am just stating my opinion.

you are a freaking Angel.

Oops, I dunnit now!

RedNFeisty
07-04-2010, 08:53 PM
you are a freaking Angel.

Oops, I dunnit now!

What did you do? Spill your coffee??

I typically stay out of this forum because of how heated it gets, but I just couldn't resist on the Palin topic. I'm not against name calling, but I think it goes to far, just state your case without insulting. That is part of the problem between the right and left.

morphius
07-04-2010, 09:30 PM
I'm a conservative, and not a fan at all.

ForeverChiefs58
07-04-2010, 09:34 PM
A lot of women wanted hillary just cause she is a woman, and a lot of minorities wanted obama because he is one too.
I think if mcain would have chosen condoleeza rice as vp he would be president because that would have taken a lot of those votes as a woman and minority. palin did him in for sure, but only when she opened her mouth.

patteeu
07-04-2010, 10:06 PM
I read an article today with an idea I liked. How about Sarah Palin as the head of the RNC in place of Michael Steele? I think she'd be well suited for that job and it's become painfully clear that Steele is not.

Bill Parcells
07-04-2010, 10:07 PM
Sorry, I know the Right loves to prop up Reagan as their hero, but as a POTUS he was quite over-rated. Let me put it this way. If I put down my credit cards an buy all kinds of beautiful furniture and appliances for my house It'd look like I'm rich. UNTILL THE BILLS CATCH UP WITH ME. reagan's economic policy helped the economic decor for the duration of his terms. Soon after the economy went to the crapper.

As for the Russians, it had nothing to do with Reagan firing the traffic controllers. They shit their pants because their economic dam was about to burst under the heavy corruption and a system that could not sustain the competition they were conducting with the U.S. (Space program, etc.) Reagan just pushed them off the cliff and I give him credit for that. But they were already standing at the edge and wobbling when he did it.

And then there were the de-regulations that he pretty much started. And we know how that's turned out.

Do you know what else Reagan did? lol..he ended the cold war which in turn led to the westernization of eastern Europe. which also btw led to the economic boom in the 90's.


I'm sorry, but you are without a doubt one of the dumbest mofos in this forum. and that is saying something.

ForeverChiefs58
07-04-2010, 11:16 PM
Do you know what else Reagan did? lol..he ended the cold war which in turn led to the westernization of eastern Europe. which also btw led to the economic boom in the 90's.


I'm sorry, but you are without a doubt one of the dumbest mofos in this forum. and that is saying something.

To younger generation they don't understand how big the Berlin wall coming down was to people then and just how important it was.

greg63
07-05-2010, 01:22 AM
I blame everything on the Democrats and Republicans.