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petegz28
07-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Last night, as part of a procedural vote on the emergency war supplemental bill, House Democrats attached a document that “deemed as passed” a non-existent $1.12 trillion budget. The execution of the “deeming” document allows Democrats to start spending money for Fiscal Year 2011 without the pesky constraints of a budget.

The procedural vote passed 215-210 with no Republicans voting in favor and 38 Democrats crossing the aisle to vote against deeming the faux budget resolution passed.

Never before -- since the creation of the Congressional budget process -- has the House failed to pass a budget, failed to propose a budget then deemed the non-existent budget as passed as a means to avoid a direct, recorded vote on a budget, but still allow Congress to spend taxpayer money.

House Budget Committee Ranking Member Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) warned this was the green light for Democrats to continue their out-of-control spending virtually unchecked.

“Facing a record deficit and a tidal wave of debt, House Democrats decided it was politically inconvenient to put forward a budget and account for their fiscal recklessness. With no priorities and no restraints, the spending, taxing, and borrowing will continue unchecked for the coming fiscal year,” Ryan said. “The so-called ‘budget enforcement resolution’ enforces no budget, but instead provides a green light for the Appropriators to continue spending, exacerbating our looming fiscal crisis.”

As we reported on HUMAN EVENTS, CBO issued a dire warning about the long term outlook for the budget.

“Yesterday, the Congressional Budget Office rang the latest fiscal alarm with the release of The Long-Term Budget Outlook,” Ryan said. “Today, Congress again hit snooze. To avert a fiscal and economic calamity, Washington needs to wake up.”

Key points from the House Republican Budget staff on the House Democrats’ deeming resolution:

- This is not a budget. The measure fails to meet the most basic, commonly understood objectives of any budget. It does not set congressional priorities; it does not align overall spending, tax, deficit, and debt levels; and it does nothing to address the runaway spending of Federal entitlement programs.
- It is not a ‘congressional budget resolution.’ The measure does not satisfy even the most basic criteria of a budget resolution as set forth in the Congressional Budget Act.
- It creates a deception of spending ‘restraint.’ While claiming restraint in discretionary spending, the resolution increases non-emergency spending by $30 billion over 2010, and includes a number of gimmicks that give a green light to higher spending.
- It continues relying on the flawed and over-sold pay-as-you-go [pay-go] procedure. Pay-go – which Democrats have used mainly to raise taxes, and have ignored when it was inconvenient – does nothing to reduce deficits or restrain spending growth in existing law.
- Outsourcing fiscal responsibilities. The measure is another hand-off by the Democratic Majority of Congress’s power of the purse – this time relying on the Fiscal Commission created by the President to do Congress’s job.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37893

bkkcoh
07-02-2010, 08:24 PM
Shouldn't all of the democrats be inpeached for not doing their constitutional duty????


j/k kind of.

teedubya
07-03-2010, 11:43 AM
This is so retarded. The whole EARTH's GDP is $5-6 Trillion. I like how they use as much money as they possibly want... just print more.

This is why there are 60+ TRILLION dollars in derivatives out there. Recipe for disaster.

orange
07-03-2010, 12:43 PM
The whole EARTH's GDP is $5-6 Trillion.

I've seen that a couple times lately on CP. I don't know where you guys got that idea, but it's time to bury it.

GDP - World 58 trillion IMF, 61 trillion World Bank, 58 trillion CIA
GDP - US 14 trillion (all three)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

BigChiefFan
07-03-2010, 12:52 PM
PAPER Slaves.

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 01:07 PM
Eh, it's an election year; this shit always happens. They basically just kicked the can down the road, probably until after the midterms.

Brainiac
07-03-2010, 01:42 PM
Eh, it's an election year; this shit always happens. They basically just kicked the can down the road, probably until after the midterms.
Actually this shit has never happened before.

I was a huge critic of George W. Bush because he was so fiscally irresponsible. But compared to Obama and his Democratic cronies, Bush was the patron saint of fiscal responsibility.

How the Democrats can think that it's OK to just throw up their hands in despair and fail to pass any budget at all is beyond me. I've been a registered voter ever since 1976, and I've always voted for the candidate, not the party. But now I don't think I'll ever vote for a Democrat again. It wouldn't matter that we have an unqualified and incompetent President if the leaders of his own party would have the balls to stand up to him. Instead, they are looting the treasury while they can.

mikey23545
07-03-2010, 01:56 PM
It's Bush's fault.

Brainiac
07-03-2010, 01:59 PM
It's Bush's fault.
Oh yeah. I forgot.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 03:35 PM
Eh, it's an election year; this shit always happens. They basically just kicked the can down the road, probably until after the midterms.

:spock: Huh? When was the last time it happened?

patteeu
07-03-2010, 03:38 PM
I was a huge critic of George W. Bush because he was so fiscally irresponsible. But compared to Obama and his Democratic cronies, Bush was the patron saint of fiscal responsibility.

Bravo

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 03:55 PM
:spock: Huh? When was the last time it happened?

Passing a "budget enforcement resolution" instead of a full "budget resolution" let's the Democrats avoid having to detail their deficit reduction plan until after the midterm election. It still caps discretionary spending and comes in lower than Obama's proposal. They just punted the hard decisions until December when the bipartisan deficit committee releases its plan.

I'm not defending it, but the "OMG this has never before stuff" is crazy. How many times did the Republicans fail to pass a regular budget bill? The budget process has been poisonous as long as I can remember, especially in election years. It's always a disaster.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 03:56 PM
Moonbat speak:

Passing a "budget enforcement resolution" instead of a full "budget resolution" let's the Democrats avoid having to detail their deficit reduction plan until after the midterm election. It still caps discretionary spending and comes in lower than Obama's proposal. They just punted the hard decisions until December when the bipartisan deficit committee releases its plan.

I'm not defending it, but the "OMG this has never before stuff" is crazy. How many times did the Republicans fail to pass a regular budget bill? The budget process has been poisonous as long as I can remember, especially in election years. It's always a disaster.

Translated into normal person speak:

The Politburo is always right.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 04:04 PM
Passing a "budget enforcement resolution" instead of a full "budget resolution" let's the Democrats avoid having to detail their deficit reduction plan until after the midterm election. It still caps discretionary spending and comes in lower than Obama's proposal. They just punted the hard decisions until December when the bipartisan deficit committee releases its plan.

I'm not defending it, but the "OMG this has never before stuff" is crazy. How many times did the Republicans fail to pass a regular budget bill? The budget process has been poisonous as long as I can remember, especially in election years. It's always a disaster.

The Republicans didn't use this process did they?

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 04:11 PM
Whatever. If you guys want to do your typical Obama is a socialist and we're headed for a revolution dance, I won't stand in the middle of the show. But there's a reason no news site has picked up the story, and it doesn't include the words "liberal conspiracy" or "biased press". It's a complete non-story, in and of itself. If you want to have a real conversation, go discuss the merits of austerity budgeting in the midsts of a continuing recession.

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 04:14 PM
The Republicans didn't use this process did they?

No, I don't believe so.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 04:15 PM
Whatever. If you guys want to do your typical Obama is a socialist and we're headed for a revolution dance, I won't stand in the middle of the show. But there's a reason no news site has picked up the story, and it's doesn't include the words "liberal conspiracy" or "biased press". It's a complete non-story, in and of itself. If you want to have a real conversation, go discuss the merits of austerity budgeting in the midsts of a continuing recession.

So you were wrong when you tried to say this happens all the time, right?

That's the problem with pronouns. They make it easy to mislead people when "this" doesn't necessarily mean what the audience might think it means.

For what it's worth, I agree that Republicans have also failed to pass budgets on time, but it's worth noting when politicians of either party push the envelope even further beyond that which has come before.

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 04:28 PM
So you were wrong when you tried to say this happens all the time, right?

That's the problem with pronouns. They make it easy to mislead people when "this" doesn't necessarily mean what the audience might think it means.

For what it's worth, I agree that Republicans have also failed to pass budgets on time, but it's worth noting when politicians of either party push the envelope even further beyond that which has come before.

Well I said "this shit", not just this. The budget process has been a disaster for years. We've had years with budgets passed, no budgets passed, and now a house deeming resolution, or whatever people want to call it. The effect will be the same in all, in that the appropriations process will now move forward. And like always, that will be a disaster as well.

Budget resolutions always should be the expected result, and at the very least the goal of the party in charge, for no other reason than they force everyone to take some responsibility for the future, however minimal. The Democrats not even trying doesn't win them many points with me. But I'm not going to hop on the, "I'm never voting for Democrats again after this disgrace!" bandwagon. In effect, it's no different than what happens most other years. It's arguing semantics when the big picture means a lot more.

patteeu
07-03-2010, 04:36 PM
Well I said "this shit", not just this.

LOL I stand corrected. :)

BTW, I reread what I wrote and I didn't mean to make it sound like you were being intentionally "mislead[ing]".

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2010, 04:37 PM
LOL I stand corrected. :)

BTW, I reread what I wrote and I didn't mean to make it sound like you were being intentionally "mislead[ing]".

Moonbats never do that. :rolleyes:

Brainiac
07-03-2010, 05:30 PM
But I'm not going to hop on the, "I'm never voting for Democrats again after this disgrace!" bandwagon. In effect, it's no different than what happens most other years. It's arguing semantics when the big picture means a lot more.
I came to that conclusion long before this. The way the Democrats passed Obamacare did it for me.

orange
07-03-2010, 06:11 PM
There was no budget passed by Congress in 1998, 2002, 2004, and 2006.

Seems like a couple of those years were Republican majorities. :hmmm:

I expect this "unprecedented failure" will be every bit the gamechanger as "demon pass."

patteeu
07-03-2010, 06:38 PM
There was no budget passed by Congress in 1998, 2002, 2004, and 2006.

Seems like a couple of those years were Republican majorities. :hmmm:

I expect this "unprecedented failure" will be every bit the gamechanger as "demon pass."

Budget or no budget, there's never been an administration that's overspent as irresponsibly nor racked up as big an annual deficit as the current one.

WoodDraw
07-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Budget or no budget, there's never been an administration that's overspent as irresponsibly nor racked up as big an annual deficit as the current one.

As I said earlier, I'd love to have a real debate about the merits of austerity budgeting vs. fiscal stimulas. Let's start a real thread that doesn't devolve into someone calling Obama a socialist, and I'll be there. Can anyone here handle that?

patteeu
07-04-2010, 06:15 AM
As I said earlier, I'd love to have a real debate about the merits of austerity budgeting vs. fiscal stimulas. Let's start a real thread that doesn't devolve into someone calling Obama a socialist, and I'll be there. Can anyone here handle that?

It's hard to forgive the 8 years of Bush bashing that happened here. I'd say that some might be able to handle such a thread if it didn't include anything that seemed to be a defense of Obama's deficits by those who once claimed that Bush's small deficits (by comparison) were bankrupting America.