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KcMizzou
07-03-2010, 06:15 PM
Free prelims on Spike at 8.

PBJ:BLVD:

LetsSignRussell
07-03-2010, 06:20 PM
yawn

Buck
07-03-2010, 06:32 PM
I wish the Pay Per Views weren't so damn expensive.

I would gladly pay $20, but $50 is too much.

Pants
07-03-2010, 06:33 PM
Anybody got any streams by any chance?

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 06:34 PM
I wish the Pay Per Views weren't so damn expensive.

I would gladly pay $20, but $50 is too much. that what online streams are made for

Bane
07-03-2010, 06:39 PM
that what online streams are made for

:thumb:

lightsout04
07-03-2010, 06:42 PM
Or you could get some people together for the fight and chip in for the $50.

Dave Lane
07-03-2010, 07:09 PM
So who has a link? And when is the fight?

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 07:12 PM
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=79894∂=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=79894&part=sports) alot of links I usually use sopcast

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 07:15 PM
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o198/gootsy/3883823631_921a8cc828_o.gif

Buck
07-03-2010, 07:32 PM
that what online streams are made for

If the cost was only $20, then I wouldn't stream. I sort of feel bad when I do, sort of.

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 07:32 PM
is torrentstream any good?

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 07:34 PM
is torrentstream any good? yeah it works great also

Buck
07-03-2010, 07:34 PM
You guys, this link is posted every time. Just bookmark it.

www.atdhe.net

MadMax
07-03-2010, 07:42 PM
If the cost was only $20, then I wouldn't stream. I sort of feel bad when I do, sort of.




Heh yea I know what you mean PPV are overpriced

Lzen
07-03-2010, 08:05 PM
Yes, they are overpriced. I ordered it anyway because my son's birthday is Monday and he wanted this as part of his present.

Pants
07-03-2010, 08:06 PM
You guys, this link is posted every time. Just bookmark it.

www.atdhe.net (http://www.atdhe.net)

Yo, none of that shit works, Bucky.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 08:07 PM
MMAtv link works

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 08:12 PM
Yo, none of that shit works, Bucky.

WRONG

use links UFC 116 'leznar vs carwin'.

watching it right now. Sortigoros vs Pelligrino on right now.

Pants
07-03-2010, 08:19 PM
Got that shit to work with TVU, thanks fellas.

Buck
07-03-2010, 08:23 PM
Someone please let me know when the Lesnar fight is coming up. I am watching the Padres game, which is infinitely more important to me than this UFC event, but I still want to see Carwin-Lesnar.

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 08:49 PM
It's 9:49 and it's still not on. Another fight right now too.

Reaper16
07-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Someone please let me know when the Lesnar fight is coming up. I am watching the Padres game, which is infinitely more important to me than this UFC event, but I still want to see Carwin-Lesnar.
+1

I only want to watch Lesnar/Carwin, and I've got a stream open, but I am watching Bruce Chen pitch a shutout for the Royals instead.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 08:56 PM
That Bonnar fight was solid. Nothing like watching some bangers with no defense.

JASONSAUTO
07-03-2010, 08:57 PM
did anyone see the last pre fight on spike. it was priest holmes vs t.i. in celebrity death match ufc, priest won by slam ko
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jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:02 PM
did anyone see the last pre fight on spike. it was priest holmes vs t.i. in celebrity death match ufc, priest won by slam ko
Posted via Mobile DeviceYea that fight was lame. The fluke KO was a fitting end.

In fact, all the prelims sucked so bad, I decided not to buy the PPV and am streaming it instead

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 09:16 PM
That was impressive. Brown didn't even have an arm free to tap.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:22 PM
Akiama v Leben should be good. That last Akiama fight was badass and all of Leiben's fights are like that. We'll see less defense than the Bonnar fight.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:24 PM
That was impressive. Brown didn't even have an arm free to tap.Brown must have naked pictures of Dana or something. He gets a ton of love from the UFC for doing pretty much nothing. I liked him on TuF, but can't figure out the opportunities he's gotten.

MadMax
07-03-2010, 09:26 PM
Akiama v Leben should be good. That last Akiama fight was badass and all of Leiben's fights are like that. We'll see less defense than the Bonnar fight.


Leben's fights are usually bloody :) He likes to stand and throw.

Mr. Laz
07-03-2010, 09:35 PM
pink haired dude is on his back more than lindsay lohan.

JASONSAUTO
07-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Yea that fight was lame. The fluke KO was a fitting end.

In fact, all the prelims sucked so bad, I decided not to buy the PPV and am streaming it instead

still the one looked like priest and the other looked like t.i.......
Posted via Mobile Device

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 09:41 PM
Great fight. Leban.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 09:44 PM
Looks like Akiyama took the week off after Wand pulled out

jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:45 PM
If Akiama knew how to work on the ground this would be over.

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 09:46 PM
Main fight still hasn't started. They are really trying to make that ppv price seem acceptable.

Mr. Laz
07-03-2010, 09:48 PM
pink haired dude pulled it out

nice job

jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:48 PM
Typical Leben fight. He gets his ass kicked the entire fight and wins through perseverance.

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 09:49 PM
That Leban fight looked like 2 dudes from Boston fighting over the remote on a Saturday morning.

thecoffeeguy
07-03-2010, 09:52 PM
Typical Leben fight. He gets his ass kicked the entire fight and wins through perseverance.

Yep.

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 09:56 PM
If I'm Carwin I test that gut.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 09:59 PM
If I'm Carwin I test that gut.He better worry about keeping it upright.

Personally I hope Carwin ends Lesnar's career, but if it goes to the ground I think Lesnar will dominate.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Someone slap Buck

Mr. Laz
07-03-2010, 10:01 PM
Personally I hope Carwin ends Lesnar's career,

wow ... did Lesnar :hump: yo momma?

Buzzsaw
07-03-2010, 10:01 PM
Anyone have a working link?

jspchief
07-03-2010, 10:03 PM
wow ... did Lesnar :hump: yo momma?I don't like his pro wrestling antics, and don't want to see it become a part of the UFC.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Anyone else's link just crap out?

thecoffeeguy
07-03-2010, 10:04 PM
I don't like his pro wrestling antics, and don't want to see it become a part of the UFC.

I agree with that.
He is not well liked by fans.

I hope Carwin ends this with a KO in the first round.

Reaper16
07-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Anyone else's link just crap out?
Yes.

Jawshco
07-03-2010, 10:05 PM
Yeah, my link just bit the dust. I was watcing TUV... anybody got a working steaming link?

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 10:06 PM
http://www.vip--tv.com/vip-1.php

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 10:07 PM
sopcast sucks.

download tvu player when it asks on links. working links.

didn't get stream torrent to work. pos.

http://www.atdhe.net/

Jawshco
07-03-2010, 10:09 PM
Whew, it's back up on TVU

JASONSAUTO
07-03-2010, 10:11 PM
wow wow wow carwin so far
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googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 10:12 PM
Sopcast is working.

lesnar down

Iowanian
07-03-2010, 10:14 PM
lesnar took a savage beating in R 1. Loved it.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 10:14 PM
Like it so far. Just hope Carwin doesn't gas.

Buzzsaw
07-03-2010, 10:15 PM
You see? He's not a machine, he's a man, he's a man!

Iowanian
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
shit. Carwin tapped to choke in R2.


Shit.

Shag
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Lesnar wins.

jspchief
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
F*ck

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Props to Lesner. Carwin gassed.

Buzzsaw
07-03-2010, 10:17 PM
You see? He's not a machine, he's a man, he's a man!

FFFFUUUUU

Spoke too soon, really wanted Lesnar to lose

JASONSAUTO
07-03-2010, 10:18 PM
now brock xan be respectful cuz carwon almost had him
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googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Joe Rogan needs to shutup.

hate lesnar. he was done in the first round.

googlegoogle
07-03-2010, 10:19 PM
Cheap crap win.

Brock
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
So much for the idea that Lesnar can't take a punch.

Reaper16
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Fuck you loser bitch heads. LESNAR IS VICTORIOUS

LONG LIVE THE HEEL

Mr. Laz
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
wow ... got the shit beat out of him in the 1st round and got the triangle for a tap in the 2nd.

Sully
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Fuck....

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Man this fight was awesome carwin tapped Lesnar wins

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 10:21 PM
Lesnar took everything he had, then countered and it was over. IT happens in Boxing, it happens in MMA. you gotta be trained for more then 1 round.

Jawshco
07-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Wow, I was rooting for Carwin after round 1, but it's obvious that Carwin exhausted himself in RD 1, despite what he says. His elbow was in fine position, but he didn't have the energy left to hold on and escape.

So Lesnar wins... it's time for Fedor.

Bane
07-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Damn! He can beat GOD now!!!!!

Mr. Laz
07-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Cheap crap win.
so wait a minute ... the pink haired dude won almost the same way and nobody said that was cheap.

Jawshco
07-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Cheap crap win.

Ah, man I gotta disagree with that. Lesnar surviving Round 1 and letting Carwin wear himself out, means Brock deserved to win to me.

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Wow, I was rooting for Carwin after round 1, but it's obvious that Carwin exhausted himself in RD 1, despite what he says. His elbow was in fine position, but he didn't have the energy left to hold on and escape.

So Lesnar wins... it's time for Fedor. that if white wants to sign him (fedor i mean)

MadMax
07-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Cheap crap win.




JFC!!! Go masturbate your lover Guardian..

RedNeckRaider
07-03-2010, 10:26 PM
Cheap crap win.

:rolleyes:

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 10:27 PM
And somewhere The Guardian cries....

I have to say this was the best UFC PPV I can remember. All great fights with great endings in one way or another.

Basileus777
07-03-2010, 10:27 PM
Lesnar is the man.

Bane
07-03-2010, 10:27 PM
Cheap crap win.

I respectfully disagree.In fact as bad as I hate to say it,I have more respect for Lesnar now for coming back like that after getting his ass handed to him in round 1.

DeezNutz
07-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Lesnar took a man-sized beating in round 1. Shocked he was able to recover from that.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 10:30 PM
Lesnar took a man-sized beating in round 1. Shocked he was able to recover from that.

I think if you can take Carwin's shots you can pretty much take anything.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 10:31 PM
I still think Cain will eventually be the champion, but Brock impressed by showing heart.

Basileus777
07-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Cain is smaller and weaker than Carwin, and has nowhere near the power in his hands. I don't think he can hang with Lesnar.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 10:35 PM
I still think Cain will eventually be the champion, but Brock impressed by showing heart.

You know I actually think Brock has a much easier time with Cain then Carwin. IMO Dos Santos might pose a bit more of a match up problem. He is a little smaller so he won't get gassed as easy and will do a better job of keeping the fight standing then Velazquez will. If Brock gets a take down it's just devasting punishment or submission and I think Dos Santos might be able to avoid it with his speed. That being said Brock is the favorite in any fight he takes besides Fedor and that would probably be a 50/50 split.

KCUnited
07-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Brock's cover up won the fight. Carwin punched himself out. A win is a win.

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Cain may not be as strong as Carwin, but Cain is faster and he wont get tired after 1 round even if he throws the ammount of punches Carwin did.

Its going to be interesting. I will watch, i think everyone wins accept one guy in the ring. lol

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Cain has the best gas tank in the division IMO and we saw what Brock looked like off his back. But watch Cain beat on him for 3 rounds and Lesnar flying-armbar's him in the 4th.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Cain has the best gas tank in the division IMO and we saw what Brock looked like off his back. But watch Cain beat on him for 3 rounds and Lesnar flying-armbar him in the 4th.

Freaking Ben Rothwell took everything Cain could muster in the first round of their fight. I don't think he has the power to stop Brock or keep Brock off of him like Carwin was able to do in round 1. Since we won't see Fedor in the UFC I still say right now Junior has the best shot besides a rematch with Carwin. But Shane is already 35 so he is getting close to that point where mortals not named Randy Coultoure start to decline.

pr_capone
07-03-2010, 10:50 PM
I'm here for my serving of Crow. Lesnar is the real deal.

That said, he is still a punk ass. His speech after the fight made me hate him even more. lol

Dos Santos will eventually get a shot and when he does I think Lesnar is done for... assuming he gets past Velazquez that is.

MadMax
07-03-2010, 10:54 PM
I just love how it's one excuse after another, one fighter after another. AMAZING.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Rothwell was done after that 1st round though. Much like Brock's, Cain's GnP is about damage accumulation, not just raw power. A better example against Cain would be Kongo, who not only took everything Cain could throw at him, but kept landing killshots every time Cain looked to come in.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:01 PM
Rothwell was done after that 1st round though. Much like Brock's, Cain's GnP is about damage accumulation, not just raw power. A better example against Cain would be Kongo, who not only took everything Cain could throw at him, but kept landing killshots every time Cain looked to come in.

We shall see, but I'm not sure Cain is even a top five HW in the UFC. I like Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos and Mir more, and I'm not sure he can beat Fat Boy Roy. Yeah, he KO'd Nog, but so did Mir and Nog isn't what he once was.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:01 PM
I just love how it's one excuse after another, one fighter after another. AMAZING.

Excuse? You mean like how Brock turtled up like a bitch and took punch after punch and the ref refused to call it? If your idea of amazing is a guy who runs away after he gets hit then turtles up then I guess you're right.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:03 PM
Excuse? You mean like how Brock turtled up like a bitch and took punch after punch and the ref refused to call it? If your idea of amazing is a guy who runs away after he gets hit then turtles up then I guess you're right.

LMAO Get butt hurt much?

Come on dude you look like an idiot now. Just give the man his due. He just submitted an undefeated #1 contender whose average fight is about 1 minute. Brock took everything the heaviest hitter in the game had to give was on his feet at the end of the round. Like him or not he is a tough SOB.

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 11:04 PM
Excuse? You mean like how Brock turtled up like a bitch and took punch after punch and the ref refused to call it? If your idea of amazing is a guy who runs away after he gets hit then turtles up then I guess you're right.

lol, salty.

SPchief
07-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Excuse? You mean like how Brock turtled up like a bitch and took punch after punch and the ref refused to call it? If your idea of amazing is a guy who runs away after he gets hit then turtles up then I guess you're right.

So you're saying that showing that he's capable of taking a punch and coming back and making Carwin tap isn't impresive? What's the guy got to do to make you think that he's decent?

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:07 PM
lol, salty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

Reaper16
07-03-2010, 11:08 PM
LMAO Get butt hurt much?

Come on dude you look like an idiot now. Just give the man his due. He just submitted an undefeated #1 contender whose average fight is about 1 minute. Brock took everything the heaviest hitter in the game had to give was on his feet at the end of the round. Like him or not he is a tough SOB.
Now?

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:09 PM
So you're saying that showing that he's capable of taking a punch and coming back and making Carwin tap isn't impresive? What's the guy got to do to make you think that he's decent?

Nothing. He starts at a point the Brock sucks at MMA and tries to work backwards to validate his claim to only to have his theories debunked.

It's been a rough week for the poor guy though. Fedor tapping and Brock beating Carwin in 1 weeks time.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:09 PM
So you're saying that showing that he's capable of taking a punch and coming back and making Carwin tap isn't impresive? What's the guy got to do to make you think that he's decent?

No I'm saying the guy laid there and did nothing but turtle up. Turtling up is generally ground for ending a fight. When you see this in 99 out of 100 other fights the fight is called.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Nothing. He starts at a point the Brock sucks at MMA and tries to work backwards to validate his claim to only to have his theories debunked.

It's been a rough week for the poor guy though. Fedor tapping and Brock beating Carwin in 1 weeks time.

Nothing was debunked ass clown. When they were fresh Carwin easily stuffed LEsnar's attempt at take downs and then punished him. Carwin looks like he just got out of bed and Lesnar's two eyes are swollen shut. So have a glass of shut the fuck up you moron.

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 11:12 PM
Nothing was debunked ass clown. When they were fresh Carwin easily stuffed LEsnar's attempt at take downs and then punished him. Carwin looks like he just got out of bed and Lesnar's two eyes are swollen shut. So have a glass of shut the **** up you moron. and yet still got out of it and made the man tap

MadMax
07-03-2010, 11:13 PM
Excuse? You mean like how Brock turtled up like a bitch and took punch after punch and the ref refused to call it? If your idea of amazing is a guy who runs away after he gets hit then turtles up then I guess you're right.




My idea of AMAZING is your denial of all things reality punk.

SPchief
07-03-2010, 11:13 PM
Nothing was debunked ass clown. When they were fresh Carwin easily stuffed LEsnar's attempt at take downs and then punished him. Carwin looks like he just got out of bed and Lesnar's two eyes are swollen shut. So have a glass of shut the **** up you moron.

Yet somehow Lesner still made him tap

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:14 PM
Nothing was debunked ass clown. When they were fresh Carwin easily stuffed LEsnar's attempt at take downs and then punished him. Carwin looks like he just got out of bed and Lesnar's two eyes are swollen shut. So have a glass of shut the **** up you moron.

He stuffed 1 take down attempt and last I checked UFC title fights are 5 rounds.

So I guess Brett Rogers deserves all the credit for beating Fedors ass for the first round and we just blow off the 2nd round TKO Right? Really dude, just stop. I don't think you are really this dumb, just blinded by your dislike for Brock.

MadMax
07-03-2010, 11:15 PM
Why people on here even put up with your BS is beyond me.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:16 PM
Why people on here even put up with your BS is beyond me.

If a case was to be made for a permaban for acting like a moron this might be it.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:18 PM
Why people on here even put up with your BS is beyond me.

Who puts up a picture of them self looking like a cracked out Bo Bice?

Buck
07-03-2010, 11:19 PM
Does Brock Lesnar have a face of steel or what?

Fucking A.

I feel for Carwin like I feel for Ghana. I saw a couple instances in the first where I thought the fight might be stopped, but really it shouldn't have.

Rematch please.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 11:20 PM
You can always put him on ignore if he bothers you. I think he just trolls for a reaction anyway.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:21 PM
Does Brock Lesnar have a face of steel or what?

****ing A.

I feel for Carwin like I feel for Ghana. I saw a couple instances in the first where I thought the fight might be stopped, but really it shouldn't have.

Rematch please.

You don't get submitted in the 2nd round and get a rematch. Carwin will have to climb the ladder again and I don't think he can at his age. It will take probably 2 more wins over top HW's to get another shot at the title.

Buck
07-03-2010, 11:23 PM
You don't get submitted in the 2nd round and get a rematch. Carwin will have to climb the ladder again and I don't think he can at his age. It will take probably 2 more wins over top HW's to get another shot at the title.

When you beat the shit out of your opponent you do.

Luckily for Lesnar, his biceps cover up 90% of his head, lol.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 11:24 PM
Hopefully Brock fights again this year. I've hated the interim champ situations every time they've happened.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:25 PM
When you beat the shit out of your opponent you do.



And we have a winner. Carwin may not get a rematch instantly because they want to see what Cain and Dos Santos will do. But he whupped Brock's ass and just gassed himself out on a bullshit non-stoppage. Brock looked very pedestrian fighting someone his own size, just like I said he would.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:26 PM
When you beat the shit out of your opponent you do.

Luckily for Lesnar, his biceps cover up 90% of his head, lol.

He might deserve it, but it doesn't happen like that. Even GSP had to climb the ladder again after losing to Hughes the first time. If it was a controversial decision like Shogun and Machida then yeah maybe, but not on a clear stoppage. Besides Cain is already promised the next title shot.

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 11:26 PM
When you beat the shit out of your opponent you do.

Luckily for Lesnar, his biceps cover up 90% of his head, lol.

Speaking of, that arm triangle from Brock is just nasty. He even had bad form but it didn't matter.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:27 PM
And we have a winner. Carwin may not get a rematch instantly because they want to see what Cain and Dos Santos will do. But he whupped Brock's ass and just gassed himself out on a bullshit non-stoppage. Brock looked very pedestrian fighting someone his own size, just like I said he would.

Really, just stop.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Really, just stop.

Really dude, stop commenting on MMA because like most other idiots in here you're a n00b fanboy and don't know shit.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:28 PM
Speaking of, that arm triangle from Brock is just nasty. He even had bad form but it didn't matter.

Strength has a funny way of masking technical flaws.

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 11:29 PM
And we have a winner. Carwin may not get a rematch instantly because they want to see what Cain and Dos Santos will do. But he whupped Brock's ass and just gassed himself out on a bullshit non-stoppage. Brock looked very pedestrian fighting someone his own size, just like I said he would.

Do you even watch fighting? Boxers, mma fighters do this shit ALLLLL the time, there are 5 rounds in mma title matches, there are 12 rounds in Boxing matches. You must count for all of them, just because you beat someones ass in the first round, doesnt mean your the winner. YOu must beat their ass for all 5 rounds or take them out before they take YOU out.

How fucking salty are you, seriously.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:30 PM
Really dude, stop commenting on MMA because like most other idiots in here you're a n00b fanboy and don't know shit.

Go cry in another beer little boy.

Fruit Ninja
07-03-2010, 11:30 PM
Really dude, stop commenting on MMA because like most other idiots in here you're a n00b fanboy and don't know shit.

You are the ONLY one coming off like you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. ONLY YOU.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:32 PM
You are the ONLY one coming off like you dont know what the **** you are talking about. ONLY YOU.

Exactly, there is no debate here. Just some jackass being a fucktard.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:32 PM
Do you even watch fighting? Boxers, mma fighters do this shit ALLLLL the time, there are 5 rounds in mma title matches, there are 12 rounds in Boxing matches. You must count for all of them, just because you beat someones ass in the first round, doesnt mean your the winner. YOu must beat their ass for all 5 rounds or take them out before they take YOU out.

How ****ing salty are you, seriously.

How dumb are you about this? Carwin punched himself out because he thought the fight would be called, and rightfully so. I've watched and competed in MMA and martial arts for 20 fucking years. The fighters I watch the fight with tonight were all dumb founded that the fight wasn't called. Lesnar didn't do anything but turtle up. When a guy does that and you ear hole him 5,6,7, times uncontested the fight is supposed to be stopped. So Shane punched himself out and Brock recovered and beat a totally gassed Carwin. What a great fighter Brock is. :rolleyes:

He looked like nothing in the first round when they were both fresh.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:34 PM
He looked like nothing in the first round when they were both fresh.

Are you talking about Fedor vs Rogers here?

TrickyNicky
07-03-2010, 11:38 PM
Tell us again how a guy who doesn't have enough gas to keep himself from falling over in the 2nd is supposedly an "obviously better" fighter, please. I think if you repeat it a few more times and throw in a few sixth grade insults, you might convince us.

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:38 PM
Tell us again how a guy who doesn't have enough gas to keep himself from falling over in the 2nd is supposedly an "obviously better" fighter, please. I think if you repeat it a few more times and throw in a few sixth grade insults, you might convince us.

God damn you're a moron.

BigCatDaddy
07-03-2010, 11:42 PM
Tell us again how a guy who doesn't have enough gas to keep himself from falling over in the 2nd is supposedly an "obviously better" fighter, please. I think if you repeat it a few more times and throw in a few sixth grade insults, you might convince us.

What's funny is after Fedor got his ass kicked for the first round and then KO'd a gassed Brett Rogers The Guardian started a thread praising the great victory and that's what would happen to Brock LMAO

SPchief
07-03-2010, 11:42 PM
How dumb are you about this? Carwin punched himself out because he thought the fight would be called, and rightfully so. I've watched and competed in MMA and martial arts for 20 ****ing years. The fighters I watch the fight with tonight were all dumb founded that the fight wasn't called. Lesnar didn't do anything but turtle up. When a guy does that and you ear hole him 5,6,7, times uncontested the fight is supposed to be stopped. So Shane punched himself out and Brock recovered and beat a totally gassed Carwin. What a great fighter Brock is. :rolleyes:

He looked like nothing in the first round when they were both fresh.

An "elite" fighter shouldn't get gassed because he thinks a fight is gonna get called, I thought he was one of the best strikers in the world?

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:45 PM
What's funny is after Fedor got his ass kicked for the first round and then KO'd a gassed Brett Rogers The Guardian started a thread praising the great victory and that's what would happen to Brock LMAO

I did? Would you like to show me where?

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:47 PM
An "elite" fighter shouldn't get gassed because he thinks a fight is gonna get called, I thought he was one of the best strikers in the world?

Everyone can get gassed you fucking moron. When you're 265 pounds it's not that hard to get gassed. When you're reigning down punched for a solid two minutes it can happen and generally does to even elite level guys who are that big. It's because you have no idea what that is like to understand.

The fight should have been called, and that's why Shane kept reigning down blows. So much to the point that he punched himself out. Lots of guys have done that, even at smaller weigh classes. Shit the 185 pound guys were gassed after two rounds in the previous fight. Have you EVER fought before? What do you know about it? Nothing.

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 11:48 PM
I did? Would you like to show me where? http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=217717

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:51 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=217717

Yes where.

SnakeXJones
07-03-2010, 11:53 PM
Yes where. Im pretty sure its right in front of ur face

TheGuardian
07-03-2010, 11:55 PM
Im pretty sure its right in front of ur face

Actually it's not. Fedor has always fought fights where he looks like he's in trouble then flat out knocks the guy out or subs him. One of the reasons for that is because he fought a lot of guys in their prime. Lesnar fought a guy for the first time ever that was the same size and Lesnar looked unimpressive both trying to take Carwin down and standing up. Then after he took a shot he ran like a bitch and then turtled up on the ground. Carwin punched himself out and the fight should have been stopped after the 90000th ear hole shot while Brock just covered his face up.

stevieray
07-04-2010, 12:02 AM
meh, they never go like you think they will.

I'm sure Carwin thought he'd have to go all out in the first round to survive....and it bit him in the ass...I'd bet his strategy would be different if there is a rematch.

SPchief
07-04-2010, 12:04 AM
Actually it's not. Fedor has always fought fights where he looks like he's in trouble then flat out knocks the guy out or subs him.

So its ok for Fedor but not for Lesnar?

SnakeXJones
07-04-2010, 12:04 AM
Actually it's not. Fedor has always fought fights where he looks like he's in trouble then flat out knocks the guy out or subs him. One of the reasons for that is because he fought a lot of guys in their prime. Lesnar fought a guy for the first time ever that was the same size and Lesnar looked unimpressive both trying to take Carwin down and standing up. Then after he took a shot he ran like a bitch and then turtled up on the ground. Carwin punched himself out and the fight should have been stopped after the 90000th ear hole shot while Brock just covered his face up. It's like you copy and paste your own f'n post each time we get it your pissed the ref didnt stop it get over it and but going into a different topic fedor & carwin have one thing in common they fought alot of scrubs in their careers

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 12:21 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/30birme.jpg

keg in kc
07-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Guardian with the epic meltdown on all these MMA threads is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. Some guys just can't handle things not going the way they want. Hope his expert MMA insight didn't drive him to lay money on Fedor or Carwin.

MadMax
07-04-2010, 12:30 AM
Who puts up a picture of them self looking like a cracked out Bo Bice?



Your insults don't really bother me, especially when you continue to cry like a lil bitch :) You really have no room to talk, I would bet my life on that lil one.

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 12:30 AM
Guardian with the epic meltdown on all these MMA threads is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. Some guys just can't handle things not going the way they want. Hope his expert MMA insight didn't drive him to lay money on Fedor or Carwin.

He's an expert i guess since he's watched every single UFC fight? i dunno, i been following it since UFC 1 as well, but not that hardcore. I tune into the big fights only now days. lol

MadMax
07-04-2010, 12:31 AM
Guardian with the epic meltdown on all these MMA threads is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. Some guys just can't handle things not going the way they want. Hope his expert MMA insight didn't drive him to lay money on Fedor or Carwin.




I would bet he has no money to begin with :)

CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 02:27 AM
ROFL........Guardian in all of these threads.

Bwana
07-04-2010, 02:35 AM
How dumb are you about this? Carwin punched himself out because he thought the fight would be called, and rightfully so. I've watched and competed in MMA and martial arts for 20 ****ing years. The fighters I watch the fight with tonight were all dumb founded that the fight wasn't called. Lesnar didn't do anything but turtle up. When a guy does that and you ear hole him 5,6,7, times uncontested the fight is supposed to be stopped. So Shane punched himself out and Brock recovered and beat a totally gassed Carwin. What a great fighter Brock is. :rolleyes:

He looked like nothing in the first round when they were both fresh.

Please tell me you didn't reproduce.

salame
07-04-2010, 04:25 AM
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as much as it pains me to side with guardian if these fights were called why wasn't this one?
Of course Carwin gassed himself he was going in for the kill on a fight that should have been called.

XXXshogunXXX
07-04-2010, 05:50 AM
the fight was correctly called.

I could see where an anxious ref might have prematurely stopped it. But a good ref let it continue, as Brock was still capable, and clearly was defending himself.

He was not unconscious getting beat defenseless.

You know how I know that? cuz he WON the fight, via submission.

cry all you want about not having an anxious ref call your way, but brock won on his own and made carwin tap out. Dont cry that a ref didnt prematurely stop a fight, babies.

and to the idiot that said carwin was robbed cuz he wasnt fresh, the fight was 5 rounds dumbass. Carwin deserve the win because he ineffectively gassed out punching brocks arms ,and didnt save enough in the tank for 2 rounds. Tahts what you call dumb, that was his own fault.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-04-2010, 06:09 AM
Jeez, The Guardian sounds exactly like mecca after the Chiefs win and he tries to find excuses for the other team.

OmegaRed
07-04-2010, 07:32 AM
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as much as it pains me to side with guardian if these fights were called why wasn't this one?
Of course Carwin gassed himself he was going in for the kill on a fight that should have been called.

I think the video above is a good example of not being able to defend yourself. Ken's arms were falling to the ground and Tito was landing clean elbows to his face. This fight had to be stopped.
Lesnar was defending himself the whole time. He did take some heavy shots but none of them were enough to cause him to go limp. He kept his arms up and that was enough to let the ref know he was still in it. This was supposed to be one of the biggest heavyweight fights in UFC history. Would any of you have been really satisfied if the ref called it early and Lesnar stood straight up and argued he was okay? I'm happy with the results. I didn't really root for either guy but I'm glad it ended with a sub. A KO would have been nice. A ref stoppage would have sucked ass unless it was CLEAR that the guy was done.

TRR
07-04-2010, 07:42 AM
Carwin had the fight won, and beat himself in the 2nd round. Lesnar was completely outmatched standing with Carwin, and showed that he does NOT like getting hit. In the 2nd, Lesnar knew his only chance was to lay and pray, and did a great job of getting the submission.

Carwin should have NEVER let himself be taken down that easy. He was feeling confident and a bit gassed, and thought he could get away with laying down in round 2.

Either way, what most MMA watchers thought to be true with Lesner definitely came true. His standup is BAD and he doesn't like to get hit. It's only a matter of time for Lesner now...
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CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 08:16 AM
Look who stopped by Lesnar's locker room for a Kodak moment.

http://i50.tinypic.com/504qau.jpg

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 08:45 AM
I think the video above is a good example of not being able to defend yourself. Ken's arms were falling to the ground and Tito was landing clean elbows to his face. This fight had to be stopped.
Lesnar was defending himself the whole time. He did take some heavy shots but none of them were enough to cause him to go limp. He kept his arms up and that was enough to let the ref know he was still in it. This was supposed to be one of the biggest heavyweight fights in UFC history. Would any of you have been really satisfied if the ref called it early and Lesnar stood straight up and argued he was okay? I'm happy with the results. I didn't really root for either guy but I'm glad it ended with a sub. A KO would have been nice. A ref stoppage would have sucked ass unless it was CLEAR that the guy was done.

A guy doesn't have to go limp for it to be called you fucking moron. That's why this board is so full of stupid mother fuckers when it comes to MMA. When a guy is taking uncontested shot after shot and all he can do is cover his face, the fight is called 99.99999% of the fucking time. A guy doesn't have to be "done" for it to be called. And many times a guy isn't "done" when it's called in that situation.

This is why guys who haven't watched the sport for very long really need to shut the fuck commenting on this shit.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 08:47 AM
Carwin had the fight won, and beat himself in the 2nd round. Lesnar was completely outmatched standing with Carwin, and showed that he does NOT like getting hit. In the 2nd, Lesnar knew his only chance was to lay and pray, and did a great job of getting the submission.

Carwin should have NEVER let himself be taken down that easy. He was feeling confident and a bit gassed, and thought he could get away with laying down in round 2.

Either way, what most MMA watchers thought to be true with Lesner definitely came true. His standup is BAD and he doesn't like to get hit. It's only a matter of time for Lesner now...
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This is what I said for weeks going into this fight.

The whole "Lesnar is a beast and moves too fast for someone his size. He's so strong he will man handle Carwin too" never happened. When they were fresh and Lesnar went into for the take down Carwin handled him with ease. Just like I said he would. Then when they stood up Carwin took him apart with ease. Lesnar is a joke of hype. He got his ass whipped up and down the ring by Carwin. Carwin beat himself by punching himself out when the fight should have been called.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 08:50 AM
the fight was correctly called.

I could see where an anxious ref might have prematurely stopped it. But a good ref let it continue, as Brock was still capable, and clearly was defending himself.

He was not unconscious getting beat defenseless.

You know how I know that? cuz he WON the fight, via submission.

cry all you want about not having an anxious ref call your way, but brock won on his own and made carwin tap out. Dont cry that a ref didnt prematurely stop a fight, babies.

and to the idiot that said carwin was robbed cuz he wasnt fresh, the fight was 5 rounds dumbass. Carwin deserve the win because he ineffectively gassed out punching brocks arms ,and didnt save enough in the tank for 2 rounds. Tahts what you call dumb, that was his own fault.

Carwin was punching Brock's arms so much that both of his eyes were shut and his face was blasted open. Did your mother have any children that lived?

pr_capone
07-04-2010, 08:52 AM
A guy doesn't have to go limp for it to be called you ****ing moron. That's why this board is so full of stupid mother ****ers when it comes to MMA. When a guy is taking uncontested shot after shot and all he can do is cover his face, the fight is called 99.99999% of the ****ing time. A guy doesn't have to be "done" for it to be called. And many times a guy isn't "done" when it's called in that situation.

This is why guys who haven't watched the sport for very long really need to shut the **** commenting on this shit.

So what about someone who has watched every single UFC fight, all but the last season of TUF, and countless Pride/K-1/Pancrase bouts? Would that person's opinion count?

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 09:01 AM
So what about someone who has watched every single UFC fight, all but the last season of TUF, and countless Pride/K-1/Pancrase bouts? Would that person's opinion count?

Not if they say that fight shouldn't have been called in the first and that Brock was "intelligently defending himself."

Look, you can't cover your face with your arms and take 10 ear hole shots. That is not intelligently defending yourself. The clip put up by Salame where they called the Ken/Tito fight is a great example. Ken was thrashing about sure, but he was still taking shot after shot, and it was called. Rightfully so.

And not if you say "the match is 5 rounds." No. Carwin went to finish the fight. He threw everything at Brock and tore his face apart and still the fight wouldn't be called. Why? Who the fuck knows. I've never seen someone get hit 47 fucking times and they fight not be called. People on here are MMA morons because they don't understand the rules. A guy doesn't have to go limp or get knocked out for a fight to be called. When a guy takes 47 uncontested shots, uhhhhhhh that fight should be called.

I will say this. The fight last night tells me more than ever that Fedor would fucking destroy Lesnar. Lesnar can't stand with anyone. He's terrible at it. And if you stuff his take down he's worthless. Why people think he's great, I have no fucking idea. The guy is a 1 trick pony. If Carwin gets a rematch it won't make it out of the first round, like it shouldn't have last night either.

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 09:13 AM
Dana White nails it right here. Great job by the ref and Brock proved he is tougher then most people thought. The dude hasn't fought in a year, damn near died and lost 40 lbs with his disease. Lesnar is a true warrior. Overall I agree, this was the best overall PPV that I can remember.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/07/04/dana-white-says-ufc-116-was-best-night-of-career/

And Guardian don't be posted stupid shit about how he has to stick up for his champion and big name, because White ripped Anderson Silva to shreds after his fight.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 09:14 AM
Dana White nails it right here. Great job by the ref and Brock proved he is tougher then most people thought. The dude hasn't fought in a year, damn near died and lost 40 lbs with his disease. Lesnar is a true warrior.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/07/04/dana-white-says-ufc-116-was-best-night-of-career/

We got it man, you got Lesnar chin nuts.

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 09:17 AM
We got it man, you got Lesnar chin nuts.

So where would you rank Brock as a heavyweight? Right now I put him at #2. You beat Randy, Mir, and Carwin in your last 3 fights you are a bad dude. He has beaten the best of the best UFC has to offer and the HW division there has never been better.

ChiefsFanatic
07-04-2010, 09:33 AM
Dana White nails it right here. Great job by the ref and Brock proved he is tougher then most people thought. The dude hasn't fought in a year, damn near died and lost 40 lbs with his disease. Lesnar is a true warrior. Overall I agree, this was the best overall PPV that I can remember.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/07/04/dana-white-says-ufc-116-was-best-night-of-career/

And Guardian don't be posted stupid shit about how he has to stick up for his champion and big name, because White ripped Anderson Silva to shreds after his fight.

Lesnar beat the crap out of Frank Mir, turned his face into hamburger, but got caught in a heel lock and had to tap. Everyone talked about how Mir was a savvy MMA veteran, and about how Lesnar sucked.

But, when Carwin does almost the same thing that Brock did in his SECOND fight and his FIRST UFC fight, everyone wants to talk about how the ref didn't stop it, or it wasn't fair because Carwin gassed himself, blah blah blah.

Lesnar has only been training for MMA a short time, and people seem to feel like he didn't deserve what he has achieved. He has 6 fights, and beat 3 current or former World Champions.

I think that Carwin was mentally beat as much as he was gassed. He hit Brock with his most powerful shots and DID NOT knock him out. That has never happened to Carwin.

I am a Lesnar fan, but I don't think he is unbeatable. I would love to see a rematch, and I think it will happen.

Mr. Laz
07-04-2010, 09:48 AM
i think the ref would of called it if Lesnar hadn't come out of his defensive shell ever so often. He would open up and kick with his legs or take a swing. Every time he did Lesnar paid for it with another few shots to the face but it kept the ref from calling it.

Lesnar's eyes must of still looked focused to the ref as well.


i'm not much of an MMA fan, but my 2 cents :shrug:

Lzen
07-04-2010, 09:52 AM
No I'm saying the guy laid there and did nothing but turtle up. Turtling up is generally ground for ending a fight. When you see this in 99 out of 100 other fights the fight is called.

That would have been lame to call it. I, too, wanted that punk Lesnar to get beat down. But you gotta give him his due respect. He showed the heart of a champion. Just accept it and move on. Obviously, Carwin need to work on his stamina.

Lzen
07-04-2010, 09:56 AM
...I've watched and competed in MMA and martial arts for 20 fucking years. ...

Not buying it.

RedNeckRaider
07-04-2010, 10:01 AM
Lesnar beat the crap out of Frank Mir, turned his face into hamburger, but got caught in a heel lock and had to tap. Everyone talked about how Mir was a savvy MMA veteran, and about how Lesnar sucked.

But, when Carwin does almost the same thing that Brock did in his SECOND fight and his FIRST UFC fight, everyone wants to talk about how the ref didn't stop it, or it wasn't fair because Carwin gassed himself, blah blah blah.

Lesnar has only been training for MMA a short time, and people seem to feel like he didn't deserve what he has achieved. He has 6 fights, and beat 3 current or former World Champions.

I think that Carwin was mentally beat as much as he was gassed. He hit Brock with his most powerful shots and DID NOT knock him out. That has never happened to Carwin.

I am a Lesnar fan, but I don't think he is unbeatable. I would love to see a rematch, and I think it will happen.

A very solid take. I have admitted that I am fairly new to MMA. I have however spent quite a few years around the fight game. I would love to see these two hook up again. Carwin got beat end of story, but he showed that it could have went the other way for sure~

OmegaRed
07-04-2010, 10:03 AM
A guy doesn't have to go limp for it to be called you ****ing moron. That's why this board is so full of stupid mother ****ers when it comes to MMA. When a guy is taking uncontested shot after shot and all he can do is cover his face, the fight is called 99.99999% of the ****ing time. A guy doesn't have to be "done" for it to be called. And many times a guy isn't "done" when it's called in that situation.

This is why guys who haven't watched the sport for very long really need to shut the **** commenting on this shit.

Calm down brother. It's okay. I understand you take great pride having been in the sport for as long as you have and think that only the people who are in the MMA business should have an opinion where as the fans of the sport should just shut the **** up.
How many big time main events have you been apart of? You've got to understand that this is a business. How can Dana really afford another let down pay per view? The refs know what's on the line. Stopping this fight when there was no obvious need to step in and save somebody, would have been very bad for future pay per views. Just let them fight.

RedNeckRaider
07-04-2010, 10:08 AM
That would have been lame to call it. I, too, wanted that punk Lesnar to get beat down. But you gotta give him his due respect. He showed the heart of a champion. Just accept it and move on. Obviously, Carwin need to work on his stamina.

That guy is a trip, I have tried to get along with him but he just goes jerk when you disagree with him. His girlfriend must have left him for some guy wearing a Brock Lesnar t-shirt~

Mr. Laz
07-04-2010, 10:08 AM
Not buying it.
oh i dunno ... he sure acts like he's roided up.





:evil:

pr_capone
07-04-2010, 10:11 AM
Not if they say that fight shouldn't have been called in the first and that Brock was "intelligently defending himself."

So if they don't agree with you then they don't know the sport regardless of how much they have watched and read up on the subject. That about right?

Because I stand before you, someone who has watched a ridiculous amount of MMA and I heartily disagree with you.

mcaj22
07-04-2010, 10:19 AM
Chris Leben is the man, the personality of a shit head, but god damn his zombie scrapping is entertaining to watch.

JASONSAUTO
07-04-2010, 10:32 AM
look i think more of brock after surviving and winning last night



BUT that fight is stopped 95 percent of the time, carwin threw at LEAST 60 unanswered punches with only brock trying to kick him off and even that was unsucessful. does anyone remember kimbo v big country???? those love taps ended that fight right??? carwin was bombing and i just watched it again.
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thecoffeeguy
07-04-2010, 10:55 AM
Chris Leben is the man, the personality of a shit head, but god damn his zombie scrapping is entertaining to watch.

Cant stand Leben.
I just like to watch his fight vs Anderson Silva when I am annoyed with him.
Nothing better than watching Anderson land 100% of his punches and beating the crap out of Leben in the first round.

JASONSAUTO
07-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Cant stand Leben.
I just like to watch his fight vs Anderson Silva when I am annoyed with him.
Nothing better than watching Anderson land 100% of his punches and beating the crap out of Leben in the first round.

i absolutely hate leben. i hope wandy knocks his face right off his head
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Dave Lane
07-04-2010, 11:23 AM
I've done martial art for 25 years but I don't need 25 seconds to say the guardian is a epic dumb ass.

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 12:05 PM
look i think more of brock after surviving and winning last night



BUT that fight is stopped 95 percent of the time, carwin threw at LEAST 60 unanswered punches with only brock trying to kick him off and even that was unsucessful. does anyone remember kimbo v big country???? those love taps ended that fight right??? carwin was bombing and i just watched it again.
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The difference is Kimbo wasn't going anywhere until the round ended and was just going to continue to eat punches to the top of the head until the round ended. Where as Brock ended up on his feet at the end of the round.

I really don't see how anyone can criticize this ref after seeing what took place after after Carwin was out of the mount. It was great call.

JASONSAUTO
07-04-2010, 12:15 PM
The difference is Kimbo wasn't going anywhere until the round ended and was just going to continue to eat punches to the top of the head until the round ended. Where as Brock ended up on his feet at the end of the round.

I really don't see how anyone can criticize this ref after seeing what took place after after Carwin was out of the mount. It was great call.

this makes absolutely NO sense. how does a ref know that brock would get up after carwin wore himself out. ESP????

SO you are saying that because brock got up after the fact and then got a rest and came back to win changes the fact that carwin threw over 60 unanswered punches?
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Saul Good
07-04-2010, 12:22 PM
this makes absolutely NO sense. how does a ref know that brock would get up after carwin wore himself out. ESP????

SO you are saying that because brock got up after the fact and then got a rest and came back to win changes the fact that carwin threw over 60 unanswered punches?
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The whole premise behind stopping a fight in that situation would be to prevent one of the fighters from taking on punishment from which he has no hope of escaping. Clearly this wasn't the case.

JASONSAUTO
07-04-2010, 12:29 PM
The whole premise behind stopping a fight in that situation would be to prevent one of the fighters from taking on punishment from which he has no hope of escaping. Clearly this wasn't the case.

uuummm no, its to prevent permanent damage to the fighters brain. and being hit and then your head slamming the mat multiple times can cause major brain problems.
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salame
07-04-2010, 12:30 PM
I think if that was anyone except one the "faces" of the UFC, the cover boy of their new video game, their most popular athlete that gained them crossover fans, and the champion of that division that fight is called about 90% of the time end of story. I think the only reason you guys are disagreeing with that is because we would all like to see the refs just let people get murdered in there but it usually doesn't and shouldn't happen.

JASONSAUTO
07-04-2010, 12:35 PM
heres my point and im done


i have seen many fights stopped when a fighter has his hands over his head when taking many less punches than last night. many of carwins punches landed flush and when they didnt and hit arm brocks head bounced off the mat still. most fights if there are 60 or more unanswered blows thrown the fight would be over. which would make the escape at the end of the first and the choke out in the second moot. never would have happened.
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BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 12:36 PM
uuummm no, its to prevent permanent damage to the fighters brain. and being hit and then your head slamming the mat multiple times can cause major brain problems.
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I'll have to rewatch the fight, but from I thought watching it the first time while Brock was in trouble I didn't see many of those punches landing clean.

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 12:40 PM
heres my point and im done


i have seen many fights stopped when a fighter has his hands over his head when taking many less punches than last night. many of carwins punches landed flush and when they didnt and hit arm brocks head bounced off the mat still. most fights if there are 60 or more unanswered blows thrown the fight would be over. which would make the escape at the end of the first and the choke out in the second moot. never would have happened.
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THE GUY WAS STANDING AT THE END OF THE ROUND. HE OBVIOUSLY WASN'T HURT TOO BADLY.

Do you think Josh was paid off by Dana White to not stop the fight or something?????

I know you don't like Brock man, but come on. I know you are better then acting like Guardian lite.

pr_capone
07-04-2010, 12:45 PM
I think if that was anyone except one the "faces" of the UFC, the cover boy of their new video game, their most popular athlete that gained them crossover fans, and the champion of that division that fight is called about 90% of the time end of story.

Incorrect.

The UFC has nothing to do with the ref in the fight. That is set by the athletic commision. The athletic commision does not give two shits who the cover boy of the newest UFC game is.

I think the only reason you guys are disagreeing with that is because we would all like to see the refs just let people get murdered in there but it usually doesn't and shouldn't happen.[/QUOTE]

Incorrect again.

We don't want to see a guy get hurt or "murdered" in the cage. We want to see a fight where both parties gave all they had. KO's are great but a 5 rd grind ending in decision can be just as intense.

Jerm
07-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Carwin was done after the first round...you could just see it, dude was demoralized beyond belief.

Thought Lesnar was done after Carwin hit him with that uppercut and knee...can't wait to see him and Cain fight.

Saul Good
07-04-2010, 01:09 PM
uuummm no, its to prevent permanent damage to the fighters brain. and being hit and then your head slamming the mat multiple times can cause major brain problems.
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Sounds like MMA is dangerous. They should stop all fights before they start lest someone get hurt.

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 01:28 PM
look i think more of brock after surviving and winning last night



BUT that fight is stopped 95 percent of the time, carwin threw at LEAST 60 unanswered punches with only brock trying to kick him off and even that was unsucessful. does anyone remember kimbo v big country???? those love taps ended that fight right??? carwin was bombing and i just watched it again.
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You have to call championship fights different then regular fights. These are the big fights that people pay to see. EVERYonE knows that going into the fight. Its not about see'ing a 1 punch knock out. Its about watching the guys give it their all. The ref' was looking at Lesnar the whole time and was ready to stop the fight but Lesnar did enough to let the ref know he was ok and he could keep going.

If Lesnar would have gotten hit by 3-5 punches at once, they would have and should have stopped the fight, but on the ground it was just a punch evey now and again that hit, but didnt really damage lesnar all that much.

Fight was called the right way. I dont think a fan wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. If anyone watched the Boxing fight with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr last week, look at the freaking punishment the guy he pounded took. They could have certainly called that fight, but they didnt. IT was some small championship belt, but the guy was moving the guy was still defending himself so they let it go.

Shit happens all the time.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 01:41 PM
You have to call championship fights different then regular fights. These are the big fights that people pay to see. EVERYonE knows that going into the fight. Its not about see'ing a 1 punch knock out. Its about watching the guys give it their all. The ref' was looking at Lesnar the whole time and was ready to stop the fight but Lesnar did enough to let the ref know he was ok and he could keep going.

If Lesnar would have gotten hit by 3-5 punches at once, they would have and should have stopped the fight, but on the ground it was just a punch evey now and again that hit, but didnt really damage lesnar all that much.

Both his eyes were swollen shut and his head was split open.


Fight was called the right way. I dont think a fan wants to see anyone get seriously hurt. If anyone watched the Boxing fight with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr last week, look at the freaking punishment the guy he pounded took. They could have certainly called that fight, but they didnt. IT was some small championship belt, but the guy was moving the guy was still defending himself so they let it go.

Shit happens all the time.

The fight was called the "right way" by Lesnar nut huggers on here. AS Jason noted, 95% of fights are stopped otherwise.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 01:42 PM
Not buying it.

If you're in Kansas City that's not hard to prove.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 01:44 PM
If you're in Kansas City that's not hard to prove.
We can't just go look up the win-loss record or events archives of "The Guardian." We'd need a name to look up to verify that you've been in matches.

ChiefsFanatic
07-04-2010, 01:44 PM
If you're in Kansas City that's not hard to prove.

Do we need to sound the internet tough guy alarm?

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 01:46 PM
Do we need to sound the internet tough guy alarm?
Oh, that was a "Let's fight, bro"-type post from Guardian?

CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 01:47 PM
Both his eyes were swollen shut and his head was split open.



The fight was called the "right way" by Lesnar nut huggers on here. AS Jason noted, 95% of fights are stopped otherwise.

completely false.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 01:49 PM
Do we need to sound the internet tough guy alarm?

I'm not playing tough guy I can tell the guy where I train at. Duh.

ChiefsFanatic
07-04-2010, 01:52 PM
I'm not playing tough guy I can tell the guy where I train at. Duh.

Ok. I was just checking. I know that the planet can get temps running high. I often think about what it would be like to see Dane in person.

Saul Good
07-04-2010, 01:53 PM
The fight was called the "right way" by Lesnar nut huggers on here. AS Jason noted, 95% of fights are stopped otherwise.

Has Carwin or anyone in his camp complained?

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 01:53 PM
Has Carwin or anyone in his camp complained?

Greg Jackson doesn't run that kind of camp. But you wouldn't know that because you don't know anything about this shit.

Saul Good
07-04-2010, 01:57 PM
Greg Jackson doesn't run that kind of camp. But you wouldn't know that because you don't know anything about this shit.

True, but I'm trying to learn. What did it mean when that Carwin guy started patting his hand at the end of the fight?

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 02:14 PM
Admittedly, I'm a disintrested novice but I didn't see a fight that needed to be called. Brock did not look at any point to be defenseless. He looked like he knew he was in a bad body position down there so he had to weather some blows while waiting for an opportunity.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 02:18 PM
Admittedly, I'm a disintrested novice but I didn't see a fight that needed to be called. Brock did not look at any point to be defenseless. He looked like he knew he was in a bad body position down there so he had to weather some blows while waiting for an opportunity.

Because you are a notice then you have no idea what constitutes a stoppage generally.

WAtch the 1:08 mark and tell me if doesn't look exactly like last nights bout. However it didn't go on for but 3-4 strikes before it was stopped.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/VideoDetails.aspx?vid=10000373&tid=100

This is the norm. Once a guy turtles up and the other guy is throwing punches, it's over. It doesn't matter if they are just hitting his forearm. Turtling up is not intelligently defending yourself. Period. It doesn't matter if you're taking damage or not. But even so, last night Brock was in fact taking damage.

DeezNutz
07-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Admittedly, I'm a disintrested novice but I didn't see a fight that needed to be called. Brock did not look at any point to be defenseless. He looked like he knew he was in a bad body position down there so he had to weather some blows while waiting for an opportunity.

That's because you have Lesnar chin nuts. /Carwin chin nuts

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 02:22 PM
Because you are a notice then you have no idea what constitutes a stoppage generally.

WAtch the 1:08 mark and tell me if doesn't look exactly like last nights bout. However it didn't go on for but 3-4 strikes before it was stopped.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/VideoDetails.aspx?vid=10000373&tid=100

This is the norm. Once a guy turtles up and the other guy is throwing punches, it's over. It doesn't matter if they are just hitting his forearm. Turtling up is not intelligently defending yourself. Period. It doesn't matter if you're taking damage or not. But even so, last night Brock was in fact taking damage.

That looked way different to me. Dude on that clip was just still on the mat in the fetal position. If that was an example of "turtling up" then I didn't see Brock turtle up.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 02:25 PM
That looked way different to me. Dude on that clip was just still on the mat in the fetal position. If that was an example of "turtling up" then I didn't see Brock turtle up.

OMG. It was the same shit. All Brock did was cover his hands with his forearms and Carwin rained down blows. It's the same. JEsus christ you guys are dense.

DeezNutz
07-04-2010, 02:26 PM
The announcers were calling bullshit on that stoppage.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 02:28 PM
The announcers were calling bullshit on that stoppage.

On the Mir-Werdum one yes. Not on the Mir-Vera one. And it looks the same as the Lesnar-Carwin one.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 02:32 PM
OMG. It was the same shit. All Brock did was cover his hands with his forearms and Carwin rained down blows. It's the same. JEsus christ you guys are dense.

Does Brock's mid-section and below-the-waist parts of his body not count towards doing anything? Those were moving much of the time Carwin was throwing punches.

DeezNutz
07-04-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm not going to argue about this, since I don't really care and I don't really know very much about MMA.

That said, when I was watching the fight live, I thought it was going to be stopped because it looked like Lesnar was going to get hurt. But it wasn't, so Carwin still needs to finish.

He was punched out, trying to finish Lesnar in the first? Sorry, but it wasn't called, so you can't give Carwin a pass. Dude has to have enough left in the tank to keep fighting.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 02:51 PM
I'm not going to argue about this, since I don't really care and I don't really know very much about MMA.

That said, when I was watching the fight live, I thought it was going to be stopped because it looked like Lesnar was going to get hurt. But it wasn't, so Carwin still needs to finish.

He was punched out, trying to finish Lesnar in the first? Sorry, but it wasn't called, so you can't give Carwin a pass. Dude has to have enough left in the tank to keep fighting.

According to Carwin at his blog, he said the ref kept yelling that if Brock didn't defend he was going to stop it. Brock never changed positions and the ref never stopped it. So who the fuck knows. Like I said, 99% of the time that fight is stopped.

pr_capone
07-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Brock never changed positions

That's right. Instead of moving he used The Force to push Carwin off him a few times and eventually get to his feet.

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 02:54 PM
by Brock getting out of that situation towards the end of the fight without the ref's help, just proved that the ref did the RIGHT THING.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 02:57 PM
by Brock getting out of that situation towards the end of the fight without the ref's help, just proved that the ref did the RIGHT THING.

One has nothing to do with the other you dumbass. You've watch all of 10 minutes of MMA.

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 02:58 PM
One has nothing to do with the other you dumbass. You've watch all of 10 minutes of MMA.

Dude, i been watching UFC since the very first one on Pay Per View. While i may not be a hardcore and watch every single fight, i have seen ALOT of fights. I have seen alot of Boxing matches as well. I know how Ref's are, I know what ref's are supposed to do. HE DID THE RIGHT THING you DUMBFVCK.

Ooh, and it has EVERYTHING to do with it.

So you can cry some more, watch this...
http://i47.tinypic.com/30birme.jpg
tap tap tap tap tap tap. ITS OVER BROCK WINS!

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 03:15 PM
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there is the whole fight. I watched it 2 times just now. I still agree with the ref not to stop it. Brock the whole time was defending and keeping Carwin off using his hands his legs, his body. He never ever gave up.

Sully
07-04-2010, 03:25 PM
I want to know how the weigh-ins/measurements work.

For the second fight now, I look at Lesnar and his opponent, and for the life of me absolutely cannot convince myself that they are the same weight...

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 03:26 PM
I want to know how the weigh-ins/measurements work.

For the second fight now, I look at Lesnar and his opponent, and for the life of me absolutely cannot convince myself that they are the same weight...

They arent, they are the same weigh in weight, but they arent the same on fight night.

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 03:40 PM
That's right. Instead of moving he used The Force to push Carwin off him a few times and eventually get to his feet.

ROFL

BigCatDaddy
07-04-2010, 03:47 PM
there is the whole fight. I watched it 2 times just now. I still agree with the ref not to stop it. Brock the whole time was defending and keeping Carwin off using his hands his legs, his body. He never ever gave up.

I'm not really sure in that situation what Brock was supposed to do, but cover up and weather the storm. He made a few attempts to grab and kick Carwin so obviously he didn't quit. It's not Brock's fault Carwin couldn't catch him with a good enough shot to make him want to stop.

CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 04:08 PM
They arent, they are the same weigh in weight, but they arent the same on fight night.

That and Brock looks bigger because he does have more girth in his upper body, he doesn't have a neck and he has a larger upper back as well.

CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 04:11 PM
I'm not really sure in that situation what Brock was supposed to do, but cover up and weather the storm. He made a few attempts to grab and kick Carwin so obviously he didn't quit. It's not Brock's fault Carwin couldn't catch him with a good enough shot to make him want to stop.

"But the ref should have stopped it!!!! They didn't because Brock Lesnar is Brock Lesnar and UFC paid the refs to fix the fight so they can protect their most valuable instrests w/ the new video game coming out w/ Lesnar as their coverboy. Yup....any other fight that would have been stopped."

-Guardian/Dumbass-

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Undercardian

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 04:35 PM
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there is the whole fight. I watched it 2 times just now. I still agree with the ref not to stop it. Brock the whole time was defending and keeping Carwin off using his hands his legs, his body. He never ever gave up.

It's hard to explain in words what a fucking moron you are. The only reason you think the fight should have continued is because you suck Lesnar's cock. And that's it. 99% of those fights are stopped. Hell it should have been stopped after the first time he knocked him down and Lesnar went into the fetal position. You are a god damned idiot.

SnakeXJones
07-04-2010, 04:39 PM
It's hard to explain in words what a ****ing moron you are. The only reason you think the fight should have continued is because you suck Lesnar's cock. And that's it. 99% of those fights are stopped. Hell it should have been stopped after the first time he knocked him down and Lesnar went into the fetal position. You are a god damned idiot. Wait so now it's 99% instead of 90 now make ur mind up

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 04:42 PM
It's hard to explain in words what a fucking moron you are. The only reason you think the fight should have continued is because you suck Lesnar's cock. And that's it. 99% of those fights are stopped. Hell it should have been stopped after the first time he knocked him down and Lesnar went into the fetal position. You are a god damned idiot.
What timestamp on that video did Brock do nothing but go fetal?

kstater
07-04-2010, 04:46 PM
I say this with watching virtually no MMA ever, so I don't know if fights are stopped differently relative to boxing with regards to defending yourself. But, I watched the first round in that clip and relative to boxing stoppage, I'd have stopped the fight around the 3:30 left in the round or around 2:05 left in the round.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 04:55 PM
What timestamp on that video did Brock do nothing but go fetal?

If you have to ask that question then you're not even smart enough to be commenting on this subject.

My question is, where did all you new faggots come from on this topic? Until after this fight a bunch of you didn't have shit to say. Now that the fight is over there's like a whole new slew of you bitches in here talking about it.

kstater
07-04-2010, 04:57 PM
If you have to ask that question then you're not even smart enough to be commenting on this subject.

My question is, where did all you new faggots come from on this topic? Until after this fight a bunch of you didn't have shit to say. Now that the fight is over there's like a whole new slew of you bitches in here talking about it.

Do you own a big truck by chance?

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Do you own a big truck by chance?

I think we've been down this road. I don't own a truck or even like trucks.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 04:59 PM
If you have to ask that question then you're not even smart enough to be commenting on this subject.

My question is, where did all you new faggots come from on this topic? Until after this fight a bunch of you didn't have shit to say. Now that the fight is over there's like a whole new slew of you bitches in here talking about it.
I can only speak for me. I am willing to be educated here; I want to know why what I am seeing isn't actually the case. You seem to have the knowledge to do that but I haven't been convinced by you, mostly because of your condescension (twice now you've greeted an earnest question of mine with a variation of "you're too stupid to understand anyway").

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:10 PM
Ok at the 1:31 mark Carwin knocks LEsnar down then lands double digit shots while Lesnar simply lays with his hands over his face. This is cause for stoppage. From there on out in the first round Lesnar's defense is to simply lay there and put his hands over his face while Carwin lands blows. That is turtling up and it's a cause for stoppage. Look up the Frank Mir - Brandon Vera fight and you'll see Vera land something like 3 punches in that same position when they stop the fight. In this one? 47. Forty fucking Seven, and it wasn't stopped.

Yeah, no way was the ref hesitant because Brock is a big name.

phillip
07-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Ok at the 1:31 mark Carwin knocks LEsnar down then lands double digit shots while Lesnar simply lays with his hands over his face. This is cause for stoppage. From there on out in the first round Lesnar's defense is to simply lay there and put his hands over his face while Carwin lands blows. That is turtling up and it's a cause for stoppage. Look up the Frank Mir - Brandon Vera fight and you'll see Vera land something like 3 punches in that same position when they stop the fight. In this one? 47. Forty fucking Seven, and it wasn't stopped.

Yeah, no way was the ref hesitant because Brock is a big name.

I haven't read the thread, but watching the fight, I thought the ref chose not to call it because it was a championship fight. I think it makes sense in such a big matchup to let a little more go before calling it. I was half expecting the ref to end it, but I was glad when he didn't. Clearly the right choice in retrospect, because Lesnar was fine, obviously.

I agree that if it was a less popular/important fight, it would have been done in the 1st round.

Fruit Ninja
07-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Yeah, no way was the ref hesitant because Brock is a big name.

Because he was the Champ and thats the way it should always be called. You have to give the champ the benefit of the doubt. Light weights, middle weights, heavy weights. Its always been like that. You cant be calling it to early. Everyone would have been pissed because they paid good money to watch it.

Brock was hurt, but he wasnt out.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:19 PM
I haven't read the thread, but watching the fight, I thought the ref chose not to call it because it was a championship fight. I think it makes sense in such a big matchup to let a little more go before calling it. I was half expecting the ref to end it, but I was glad when he didn't. Clearly the right choice in retrospect, because Lesnar was fine, obviously.

I agree that if it was a less popular/important fight, it would have been done in the 1st round.

The rules don't change in championship fights. Second, it's not about whether the guy is "fine" or not. It's about if he can or can't defend himself intelligently. Turtling up is always cause for stoppage. Unless your name is Brock Lesnar then a guy can hit you 47 times and it still go on.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Because he was the Champ and thats the way it should always be called. You have to give the champ the benefit of the doubt. Light weights, middle weights, heavy weights. Its always been like that. You cant be calling it to early. Everyone would have been pissed because they paid good money to watch it.

Brock was hurt, but he wasnt out.

You don't have to be "out" dumbass. I've already tried to explain that to you.

You haven't watched much MMA have you? I can tell. You're just a n00b Lesnar nut hugger. You can tell me you saw UFC 1 but that doesn't mean shit. It's VERY obvious you don't watch much of this shit.

phillip
07-04-2010, 05:25 PM
The rules don't change in championship fights. Second, it's not about whether the guy is "fine" or not. It's about if he can or can't defend himself intelligently. Turtling up is always cause for stoppage. Unless your name is Brock Lesnar then a guy can hit you 47 times and it still go on.

I guess I'd have to read the rules, but I assumed stopping it early was to prevent one of the fighters from getting seriously injured when defenseless. I do think it makes sense to give more leeway in a heavyweight championship; they don't need as much protection.

But I definitely agree with you that any lesser fight would have been over.

|Zach|
07-04-2010, 05:25 PM
lol @ TheGuiardian

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:32 PM
I guess I'd have to read the rules, but I assumed stopping it early was to prevent one of the fighters from getting seriously injured when defenseless. I do think it makes sense to give more leeway in a heavyweight championship; they don't need as much protection.

But I definitely agree with you that any lesser fight would have been over.

They don't change the rules for championship bouts.

Second, HW guys would need MORE protection if anything because of the damage they can inflict.

See, this is why casual observers just shouldn't comment on this shit. Damn. Talk about fucking stupid comments from everywhere.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Ok at the 1:31 mark Carwin knocks LEsnar down then lands double digit shots while Lesnar simply lays with his hands over his face. This is cause for stoppage. From there on out in the first round Lesnar's defense is to simply lay there and put his hands over his face while Carwin lands blows. That is turtling up and it's a cause for stoppage. Look up the Frank Mir - Brandon Vera fight and you'll see Vera land something like 3 punches in that same position when they stop the fight. In this one? 47. Forty fucking Seven, and it wasn't stopped.

Yeah, no way was the ref hesitant because Brock is a big name.
Why do those two fights appear really different to me? I saw Mir go prone into the fetal position. I saw Lesnar almost constantly doing something, whether that be moving his position around to force a Carwin punch to square up with Brock's bicep in stead of his head or Brock shifting his weight around or Brock moving his legs or Brock using his forearms to try and get some separation or Brock timing a Carwin barrage to find an oppurtunity to get out of his predicament. Brock seemed always to be engaged in the fight, in the task at hand, in what seems to me to be intelligently defending himself. Mir straight gave up.

CoMoChief
07-04-2010, 05:39 PM
The biggest thing Guardian is missing here is:

1. Carwin didn't finish off Lesnar, he got tired, and Brock eventually got the fight back up on his feet again. Now if he was unable to go on, that's when the ref is supposed to stop the fight and he didn't, Brock was still defending himself. You are allowed to defend yourself, I'm sure you know that. If it was clear that Lesnar could no longer take the beating and would no longer be able to further fight, the ref then would have called it. That wasn't the case here. Now, Carwin tapped out. He couldn't go on because he got choked the fuck out. He couldn't breath, he couldn't go on, he tapped. Fight over. Brock is still the champ, and you look fucking dumber than hell right now.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:42 PM
Why do those two fights appear really different to me? I saw Mir go prone into the fetal position. I saw Lesnar almost constantly doing something, whether that be moving his position around to force a Carwin punch to square up with Brock's bicep in stead of his head or Brock shifting his weight around or Brock moving his legs or Brock using his forearms to try and get some separation or Brock timing a Carwin barrage to find an oppurtunity to get out of his predicament. Brock seemed always to be engaged in the fight, in the task at hand, in intelligently defending himself. Mir straight gave up.

Mir and Brock went into the same position. Hands and forearms covering their face. That's turtling up. Neither did anything to regain their position or regain an advantage.

And Lesnar was never doing anything. WTF fight are you watching?

If you can't understand what I'm saying then I can't help you. Lesnar laid down in the fetal position after he got knocked down and then took 47 answered punches. Just because a guy moves around a little doesn't mean he's intelligently defending himself. He covered his face with his forearms and hoped it wouldn't get stopped. Buy a clue if you can't figure any of this out.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:46 PM
The biggest thing Guardian is missing here is:

1. Carwin didn't finish off Lesnar, he got tired, and Brock eventually got the fight back up on his feet again. Now if he was unable to go on, that's when the ref is supposed to stop the fight and he didn't, Brock was still defending himself. You are allowed to defend yourself, I'm sure you know that. If it was clear that Lesnar could no longer take the beating and would no longer be able to further fight, the ref then would have called it. That wasn't the case here. Now, Carwin tapped out. He couldn't go on because he got choked the **** out. He couldn't breath, he couldn't go on, he tapped. Fight over. Brock is still the champ, and you look ****ing dumber than hell right now.

Actually I don't.

Everything I said about this fight was right on.

Brock can't stand with Carwin. He looked like a fucking amateur trying to stand, and got his ass kicked 6 ways till Sunday trying to do it.

Brock couldn't use his "size" over Carwin. He tried a take down early in the fight and Carwin stuffed it with ease.

You're still the fucking idiot that called him "Oversteem" and the point in all of that is that you don't even understand the rules, and that 99% of fights are stopped when this happens. I can't predict that a fighter will throw 47 unanswered punches to a guy that has turtled up like a bitch, and the ref won't call it while the guy punches himself out.

Either way, more than anything Brock was truly exposed as the 1 trick pony that he is. A guy that does nothing more than try to use his size to bully smaller HW fighters and can't stand up against a good striker. His time as champ is limited. If OVEREEM does in fact come over he will tear Lesnar a new ass. So will Fedor, so will CArwin when he gets the rematch.

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 05:50 PM
Mir and Brock went into the same position. Hands and forearms covering their face. That's turtling up. Neither did anything to regain their position or regain an advantage.

And Lesnar was never doing anything. WTF fight are you watching?

If you can't understand what I'm saying then I can't help you. Lesnar laid down in the fetal position after he got knocked down and then took 47 answered punches. Just because a guy moves around a little doesn't mean he's intelligently defending himself. He covered his face with his forearms and hoped it wouldn't get stopped. Buy a clue if you can't figure any of this out.
Can I purchase this clue from you? Help out my feeble, monkey brain some more: in MMA terms, you are effectively surrenduring the match if you cover your head with your arms, no matter what the rest of your body is doing - even if what the rest of your body is doing appears to be prolonging the fight? Or, to put it another way, could you explain to me why Lesnar's movement wasn't defending himself and why I am wrong to inerpret what Lesnar was doing as not defending himself?

How about when someone gets a submission hold placed on them. Should the fight be stopped as soon as a hold is applied? I don't see the need to wait for a fighter to tap out if a fighter doesn't get the oppurtunity to escape from a situation like the one Lesnar found himself in against Carwin.

phillip
07-04-2010, 05:51 PM
They don't change the rules for championship bouts.

Second, HW guys would need MORE protection if anything because of the damage they can inflict.

See, this is why casual observers just shouldn't comment on this shit. Damn. Talk about fucking stupid comments from everywhere.

I'm not saying the rulebook would stipulate different rules for a championship fight. I'm saying the purpose behind the rule is to prevent injury and it's likely something along the lines of the ref's discretion for the safety of the fighter. The ref made the right call because Lesnar was fine. Do you know how the official rule is worded?

As far as treating big matches differently, that's common in a whole lot of sports and at the end of games where the refs let it play out. I'm sure heavyweight champions would tell you that they want less protection.

phillip
07-04-2010, 05:53 PM
Can I purchase this clue from you? Help out my feeble, monkey brain some more: in MMA terms, you are effectively surrenduring the match if you cover your head with your arms, no matter what the rest of your body is doing - even if what the rest of your body is doing appears to be prolonging the fight? Or, to put it another way, could you explain to me why Lesnar's movement wasn't defending himself and why I am wrong to inerpret what Lesnar was doing as not defending himself?

How about when someone gets a submission hold placed on them. Should the fight be stopped as soon as a hold is applied? I don't see the need to wait for a fighter to tap out if a fighter doesn't get the oppurtunity to escape from a situation like the one Lesnar found himself in against Carwin.

Guardian doesn't know what the rule actually says. He is just making a comparison to other fights (which--to be fair--I think would have been called). Still, I bet the ref was within his discretion and rightfully let Lesnar keep going.

MadMax
07-04-2010, 05:55 PM
Can I purchase this clue from you? Help out my feeble, monkey brain some more: in MMA terms, you are effectively surrenduring the match if you cover your head with your arms, no matter what the rest of your body is doing - even if what the rest of your body is doing appears to be prolonging the fight? Or, to put it another way, could you explain to me why Lesnar's movement wasn't defending himself and why I am wrong to inerpret what Lesnar was doing as not defending himself?

How about when someone gets a submission hold placed on them. Should the fight be stopped as soon as a hold is applied? I don't see the need to wait for a fighter to tap out if a fighter doesn't get the oppurtunity to escape from a situation like the one Lesnar found himself in against Carwin.




Why argue with an IQ impaired monkey? This is his thread and none of you have any business commenting. Just let him masturbate himself and be done with it. What a self-righteous dickhead he has proven himself to be. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! ;)

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Guardian doesn't know what the rule actually says. He is just making a comparison to other fights (which--to be fair--I think would have been called). Still, I bet the ref was within his discretion and rightfully let Lesnar keep going.

I actually do know what the rule says. But feel free to speak for me asshat.

It simply reads that a ref stoppage can occur when a fighter shows he is no longer intelligently defending himself.

Let me make this clear to people like you and other dumbasses who have posted in these threads.

A guy does not have to be injured, knocked out, go limp, or even be cut. Once a guy turtles up and is not trying to escape to regain a fighting position or advantage he is deemed to be "giving up" or not "intelligently defending" himself.

That's exactly what Lesnar did at various times during two minutes after Carwin knocked him down. That fight could have been stopped at any point during the 47 blows that Carwin threw and no one would have said shit. It would have been deemed a legit stoppage. And it should have.

TheGuardian
07-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Why argue with an IQ impaired monkey? This is his thread and none of you have any business commenting. Just let him masturbate himself and be done with it. What a self-righteous dickhead he has proven himself to be. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! ;)

Ahhh the shit faggots like you get to say behind the keyboard.

phillip
07-04-2010, 06:00 PM
I actually do know what the rule says. But feel free to speak for me asshat.

It simply reads that a ref stoppage can occur when a fighter shows he is no longer intelligently defending himself.

Let me make this clear to people like you and other dumbasses who have posted in these threads.

A guy does not have to be injured, knocked out, go limp, or even be cut. Once a guy turtles up and is not trying to escape to regain a fighting position or advantage he is deemed to be "giving up" or not "intelligently defending" himself.

That's exactly what Lesnar did at various times during two minutes after Carwin knocked him down. That fight could have been stopped at any point during the 47 blows that Carwin threw and no one would have said shit. It would have been deemed a legit stoppage. And it should have.

The bolded is my point. "Can...Could have been." These can go either way. The ref doesn't have to stop it. It would have been a legit stoppage, but it was also legit to let it go.

Do you think the ref is any trouble for letting it go?

Reaper16
07-04-2010, 06:02 PM
Can I purchase this clue from you? Help out my feeble, monkey brain some more: in MMA terms, you are effectively surrenduring the match if you cover your head with your arms, no matter what the rest of your body is doing - even if what the rest of your body is doing appears to be prolonging the fight? Or, to put it another way, could you explain to me why Lesnar's movement wasn't defending himself and why I am wrong to inerpret what Lesnar was doing as not defending himself?

How about when someone gets a submission hold placed on them. Should the fight be stopped as soon as a hold is applied? I don't see the need to wait for a fighter to tap out if a fighter doesn't get the oppurtunity to escape from a situation like the one Lesnar found himself in against Carwin.
Well, since Undercardian didn't sell me a clue, can I get one from someone else?

MadMax
07-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Actually I don't.

Everything I said about this fight was right on.

Brock can't stand with Carwin. He looked like a ****ing amateur trying to stand, and got his ass kicked 6 ways till Sunday trying to do it.

Brock couldn't use his "size" over Carwin. He tried a take down early in the fight and Carwin stuffed it with ease.

You're still the ****ing idiot that called him "Oversteem" and the point in all of that is that you don't even understand the rules, and that 99% of fights are stopped when this happens. I can't predict that a fighter will throw 47 unanswered punches to a guy that has turtled up like a bitch, and the ref won't call it while the guy punches himself out.

Either way, more than anything Brock was truly exposed as the 1 trick pony that he is. A guy that does nothing more than try to use his size to bully smaller HW fighters and can't stand up against a good striker. His time as champ is limited. If OVEREEM does in fact come over he will tear Lesnar a new ass. So will Fedor, so will CArwin when he gets the rematch.




You are one obnoxious little prick!!!! Now go cry. ROFLROFLROFL