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SNR
07-12-2010, 10:39 AM
Appearing in the August 2010 issue. Click the link to read more about each place.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2010/top100/index.html

Rank City Population
1 Eden Prairie, MN 64,000
2 Columbia/Ellicott City, MD 155,000
3 Newton, MA 82,000
4 Bellevue, WA 124,000
5 McKinney, TX 125,000
6 Fort Collins, CO 141,000
7 Overland Park, KS 175,000
8 Fishers, IN 69,000
9 Ames, IA 60,000
10 Rogers, AR 57,000
11 Plymouth, MN 76,000
12 Highlands Ranch, CO 98,000
13 Woodbury, MN 58,000
14 Carmel, IN 67,000
15 Eagan, MN 64,000
16 Allen, TX 84,000
17 Shawnee, KS 61,000
18 South Jordan, UT 51,000
19 Broomfield, CO 55,000
20 Apple Valley, MN 50,000
21 Missouri City, TX 75,000
22 Irvine, CA 208,000
23 Cary, NC 130,000
24 Rowlett, TX 58,000
25 Gaithersburg, MD 59,000
26 O'Fallon, MO 77,000
27 Lee's Summit, MO 89,000
28 Waltham, MA 60,000
29 Abington, PA 54,000
30 Centreville, VA 54,000
31 Rockville, MD 61,000
32 West Chester, OH 60,000
33 Loveland, CO 66,000
34 Franklin, NJ 61,000
35 Edmond, OK 83,000
36 Gilbert, AZ 216,000
37 Mentor, OH 52,000
38 Yorba Linda, CA 66,000
39 Brookline, MA 58,000
40 Chapel Hill, NC 54,000
41 Clarkstown, NY 83,000
42 Amherst, NY 115,000
43 Bolingbrook, IL 71,000
44 Coral Springs, FL 126,000
45 Orem, UT 94,000
46 Ann Arbor, MI 116,000
47 Alexandria, VA 145,000
48 Coconut Creek, FL 50,000
49 Blue Springs, MO 56,000
50 Waukesha, WI 68,000
51 Rio Rancho, NM 82,000
52 Weymouth, MA 53,000
53 White Plains, NY 57,000
54 Naperville, IL 143,000
55 West Hartford, CT 63,000
56 Mount Prospect, IL 54,000
57 Piscataway, NJ 53,000
58 Arvada, CO 107,000
59 Arlington Heights, IL 73,000
60 St. Peters, MO 56,000
61 West Jordan, UT 95,000
62 Meridian, ID 67,000
63 Pleasanton, CA 67,000
64 Shoreline, WA 54,000
65 Rocklin, CA 53,000
66 Franklin, TN 58,000
67 Stillwater, OK 53,000
68 Iowa City, IA 73,000
69 Eau Claire, WI 66,000
70 Norman, OK 109,000
71 Scottsdale, AZ 235,000
72 Wellington, FL 55,000
73 Wayne, NJ 53,000
74 Bismarck, ND 60,000
75 West Des Moines, IA 55,000
76 Roswell, GA 96,000
77 Sioux Falls, SD 161,000
78 Stamford, CT 119,000
79 Millcreek, PA 54,000
80 St. George, UT 78,000
81 Broken Arrow, OK 93,000
82 New Rochelle, NY 75,000
83 Warwick, RI 84,000
84 Bristol, CT 61,000
85 Chesapeake, VA 220,000
86 Fargo, ND 97,000
87 Hamden, CT 58,000
88 Ramapo, NY 116,000
89 Middletown, NJ 69,000
90 Norwalk, CT 83,000
91 Suffolk, VA 82,000
92 Hillsboro, OR 94,000
93 Owensboro, KY 56,000
94 Nashua, NH 87,000
95 Madison, WI 233,000
96 Appleton, WI 71,000
97 Grand Forks, ND 53,000
98 Beaverton, OR 92,000
99 Idaho Falls, ID 54,000
100 Mount Pleasant, SC 68,000

Ebolapox
07-12-2010, 10:41 AM
I don't live in any of those cities.

SDChiefs
07-12-2010, 10:43 AM
List is fail. What do they even base it on?

kepp
07-12-2010, 10:45 AM
List is fail. What do they even base it on?

Heh...I'm not really sure. There is a feature on the site that lets you compare a city that isn't on the list with the top 10 in the list. I did that for Columbia, MO and it beat the top 10's averages in almost every category. I'm not saying Columbia is one of the top 10 (or even 50) cities to live in, but its clear they aren't basing the rankings on just the numbers they're listing.

beach tribe
07-12-2010, 10:45 AM
Top 4 places have long, bitter cold winters. No Fn thank you.

Amnorix
07-12-2010, 10:47 AM
Confusing. The four Mass. cities are Newton, Waltham, Brookline, all of which I get for various reasons, and Weymouth.

WTF? Weymouth? It's not a s**thole, but umm, yeah. No.

wutamess
07-12-2010, 10:47 AM
#7 asshat! :evil:

Donger
07-12-2010, 10:48 AM
Confusing. The four Mass. cities are Newton, Waltham, Brookline, all of which I get for various reasons, and Weymouth.

WTF? Weymouth? It's not a s**thole, but umm, yeah. No.

I think Peabody should be on the list, just because of how you people pronounce it. That, and Manor, TX.

Rooster
07-12-2010, 10:50 AM
What? No Wichita... :harumph:

JD10367
07-12-2010, 10:53 AM
Newton MA is swanky. Gotta have money to live there. Waltham MA, I thought was a shithole, but maybe it's gotten better. Brookline MA I really like. Warwick RI is the town next to mine and there's not much special about it, IMO.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-12-2010, 10:53 AM
Confusing. The four Mass. cities are Newton, Waltham, Brookline, all of which I get for various reasons, and Weymouth.

WTF? Weymouth? It's not a s**thole, but umm, yeah. No.

I feel the same way about Shoreline, WA. Bellevue is great. But Shoreline? There are parts of Shoreline that would make you uncomfortable after dark. Not a terrible community, but I'd rather live in Edmonds right next door.

Pants
07-12-2010, 10:54 AM
Olathe is so perfect, it was off the charts and thus it was decided no list could accommodate all that awesomeness.

Seriously, though, Shawnee? Really?

SDChiefs
07-12-2010, 10:54 AM
Yorba Linda, CA is a shithole. And its number 38 on the list. I can think of 100 cities I would rather live in than.

beach tribe
07-12-2010, 10:58 AM
Yeah, this list is Fail from top to bottom.

Deberg_1990
07-12-2010, 10:59 AM
Still cant find anything stating the criteria for this list???

Frosty
07-12-2010, 11:07 AM
Fargo and Bismarck? Really? Someone likes long, cold winters.

KevB
07-12-2010, 11:09 AM
Olathe is so perfect, it was off the charts and thus it was decided no list could accommodate all that awesomeness.

Seriously, though, Shawnee? Really?

I enjoy living in Shawnee. Good school systems, good cost of living, not quite in the city, but not in the country either. Not having lived in the other cities on the list, it's hard to compare. If you enjoy all four seasons, not a bad place to live at all. If you don't like cold weather, obviously you wouldn't put Kansas in your top 20.

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 11:10 AM
Still cant find anything stating the criteria for this list???
I would assume cost of living, quality of schools, unemployment rates, median income...etc etc.

Farzin
07-12-2010, 11:10 AM
Olathe is so perfect, it was off the charts and thus it was decided no list could accommodate all that awesomeness.

Seriously, though, Shawnee? Really?

If cities like Shawnee and OP are on this list, Olathe is very well deserving. Not sure why CNN missed out on this. Other lists similar to this have all three cities.

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 11:11 AM
Fargo and Bismarck? Really? Someone likes long, cold winters.
Eden Prairie is a suburb of Minneapolis, so apparently weather isn't part of the criteria.

Pants
07-12-2010, 11:11 AM
I enjoy living in Shawnee. Good school systems, good cost of living, not quite in the city, but not in the country either. Not having lived in the other cities on the list, it's hard to compare. If you enjoy all four seasons, not a bad place to live at all. If you don't like cold weather, obviously you wouldn't put Kansas in your top 20.

Shawnee isn't bad at all, I agree. However, the best 2 Shawnee Mission schools are in Prairie Village and Leawood respectively. :D

Contrarian
07-12-2010, 11:12 AM
Top 4 places have long, bitter cold winters. No Fn thank you.

Bellevue, WA is not bitter cold. It rains quite a bit but hardly bitter cold.

bevischief
07-12-2010, 11:12 AM
Can't believe how many are in the greater KC area...
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chiefsnorth
07-12-2010, 11:13 AM
Eden Prairie is a suburb of Minneapolis, so apparently weather isn't part of the criteria.

5 of the top 20 on this list are suburbs of Minneapolis.

tymania
07-12-2010, 11:37 AM
Ames IA and Iowa City IA should be swapping spots on that list.. i dont know how they got that confused

TheGuardian
07-12-2010, 11:39 AM
If the criteria was the most bland average looking women on the face of the planet combined with 4 horrible seasons of weather, then I can see why Shawnee and Overland Park made the list.

Pants
07-12-2010, 11:45 AM
If the criteria was the most bland average looking women on the face of the planet combined with 4 horrible seasons of weather, then I can see why Shawnee and Overland Park made the list.

:facepalm:

Yeah, all those other suburbs are all well known for their hot women.

Deberg_1990
07-12-2010, 11:45 AM
I enjoy living in Shawnee. Good school systems, good cost of living, not quite in the city, but not in the country either. Not having lived in the other cities on the list, it's hard to compare. If you enjoy all four seasons, not a bad place to live at all. If you don't like cold weather, obviously you wouldn't put Kansas in your top 20.

Its all relative to someones point of view. Thats why most of these lists are kind of silly. All depends on what you want out of life.

While the KC area isnt a "sexy" pick by any means, most of the surrounding suburbs offer a decent Quality of Life.

CaliforniaChief
07-12-2010, 11:48 AM
Still cant find anything stating the criteria for this list???

Looks like job opportunities, fiscal strength, schools, low crime, good health care, lots to do were at the top of their list. You can read an article about it here.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24224503/detail.html

TheGuardian
07-12-2010, 11:51 AM
:facepalm:

Yeah, all those other suburbs are all well known for their hot women.

Can't speak for those because I haven't lived there. But I've lived in a lot of places and the midwest has more homely/average looking women than anyplace else I've ever been. A big part of it is climate. You get to the coast (esp Cali) and people are active year round, and women have to compete for men. I was in Cali a few weeks ago and I could throw a rock and hit 7 ultra hot women with it. In Kansas? Few and far between.

Saggysack
07-12-2010, 11:51 AM
The list is based off of cities with populations between 50K-300K.

TheGuardian
07-12-2010, 11:52 AM
The list is based off of cities with populations between 50K-300K.

that makes sense. And I agree, it's a great place to raise your family and live a good quality of life. However if I were single? This would be the last place on the planet I'd live outside of one of those towns with daily beheadings in Mexico.

Phobia
07-12-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm kinda surprised nobody has singled out Lee's Summit yet. The locals are pretty excited about it. They do pretty well in these types of judging events.

Pushead2
07-12-2010, 12:00 PM
New Rochelle? White Plains????? you couldn't pay me to live there.... Ramapo is a nice town though.

Jewish Rabbi
07-12-2010, 12:10 PM
Did they confuse Ames for Ankeny? Who would wanna live in that shit hole...

GoHuge
07-12-2010, 12:11 PM
Can't speak for those because I haven't lived there. But I've lived in a lot of places and the midwest has more homely/average looking women than anyplace else I've ever been. A big part of it is climate. You get to the coast (esp Cali) and people are active year round, and women have to compete for men. I was in Cali a few weeks ago and I could throw a rock and hit 7 ultra hot women with it. In Kansas? Few and far between.I agree with the southern Cal comments, but you need to come hang in my neck of the woods. You go out anywhere in Leawood/Overland Park and there is talent all over the place. Any restuarant or bar on firday or saturday and they are thick. Hell go shopping at Town Center Plaza on a weekend day and just enjoy the view. I've got a couple of GF's that work at PBR at P&L. You'll go nuts up there. It's not Southern Cal, but we've got plenty. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else other than southern OP/Leawood/East Olathe. Office is 5 mintues away and all my family is within an hour of me. Extremely nice and clean with the midwest charm, but a localized gathering of better looking people. Yes I'm aware I'm extremely bias, but I love it here.

tymania
07-12-2010, 12:11 PM
Did they confuse Ames for Ankeny? Who would wanna live in that shit hole...
Ankeny??? noo... Iowa City yes

Jewish Rabbi
07-12-2010, 12:13 PM
Ankeny??? noo... Iowa City yes

Nothing against Iowa City, but I'd much rather live in Ankeny.

TheGuardian
07-12-2010, 12:32 PM
I agree with the southern Cal comments, but you need to come hang in my neck of the woods. You go out anywhere in Leawood/Overland Park and there is talent all over the place. Any restuarant or bar on firday or saturday and they are thick. Hell go shopping at Town Center Plaza on a weekend day and just enjoy the view. I've got a couple of GF's that work at PBR at P&L. You'll go nuts up there. It's not Southern Cal, but we've got plenty. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else other than southern OP/Leawood/East Olathe. Office is 5 mintues away and all my family is within an hour of me. Extremely nice and clean with the midwest charm, but a localized gathering of better looking people. Yes I'm aware I'm extremely bias, but I love it here.

I went to a P&L a month+ ago and must say it was better than I expected. Still, I go to Vegas, Cali, and the east coast a lot and the quality + quantity of hot women is not even close.

Still there is a trade off in terms of cost of living and those kinds of things. I have a good friend in SoCal and he makes a LOT of money. He told me you can't really live there happily without making 250K a year.

Frazod
07-12-2010, 12:38 PM
Nice to see Naperville on the list. My tax dollars in action.

Mr. Laz
07-12-2010, 12:40 PM
7 Overland Park, KS 175,000
17 Shawnee, KS 61,000

booyah, bitches

Pioli Zombie
07-12-2010, 12:55 PM
Confusing. The four Mass. cities are Newton, Waltham, Brookline, all of which I get for various reasons, and Weymouth.

WTF? Weymouth? It's not a s**thole, but umm, yeah. No.
I agree. I lived in Brookline and spent a lot of time in Newton and Waltham. Weymouth???
And Shawnee???? Shawnee??? Over Leawood, Prairie Village,Lenexa or Olathe?? WTF?

Chocolate Hog
07-12-2010, 12:55 PM
OP Represent!

HemiEd
07-12-2010, 02:10 PM
Nice to see Naperville on the list. My tax dollars in action.

Yeah, but it dropped a bunch from it's previous lofty position. Some of the yuppies must have sold their place to some degenerates. :D

luv
07-12-2010, 02:16 PM
Rogers, AR made the top 10?

NewChief
07-12-2010, 02:17 PM
This list is complete shit, no offfense to anyone who lives in one of these places.

NewChief
07-12-2010, 02:17 PM
Rogers, AR made the top 10?

Exactly. Bullshit.

NewChief
07-12-2010, 02:18 PM
Highlands Ranch, CO is also a souless suckhole (once again, no offense to anyone who lives there). It's clear that Money has a different idea of a good place to raise your family.

Suburban sprawl. Strip malls. Chain restaurants. Yehaw.

Frazod
07-12-2010, 02:21 PM
This list is complete shit, no offfense to anyone who lives in one of these places.

You live in Arkansas, right?

I guess Naperville doesn't have enough trailer parks for you. LMAO

SDChiefs
07-12-2010, 02:21 PM
I went to a P&L a month+ ago and must say it was better than I expected. Still, I go to Vegas, Cali, and the east coast a lot and the quality + quantity of hot women is not even close.

Still there is a trade off in terms of cost of living and those kinds of things. I have a good friend in SoCal and he makes a LOT of money. He told me you can't really live there happily without making 250K a year.

False. Being single you can live fine on 50K a year.

NewChief
07-12-2010, 02:23 PM
You live in Arkansas, right?

I guess Naperville doesn't have enough trailer parks for you. LMAO

I shouldn't say it's complete shit. Fort Collins, CO is a great place. There are probably lots of great places on the list. When I'm looking at my area, though, (northwest Arkansas) and I want to raise a family... Rogers isn't the first place that springs to mind.

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 02:23 PM
This list is complete shit, no offfense to anyone who lives in one of these places.
Yeah I'm not getting all the Minneapolis suburbs, I've been up there twice and it just seems like a bigger, colder version of Omaha.

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 02:26 PM
I shouldn't say it's complete shit. Fort Collins, CO is a great place. There are probably lots of great places on the list. When I'm looking at my area, though, (northwest Arkansas) and I want to raise a family... Rogers isn't the first place that springs to mind.
Isn't the cost of living pretty low down there? And while I'm not real familiar with the area I know it's very nice just north of there up around Bella Vista.

Frazod
07-12-2010, 02:27 PM
I shouldn't say it's complete shit. Fort Collins, CO is a great place. There are probably lots of great places on the list. When I'm looking at my area, though, (northwest Arkansas) and I want to raise a family... Rogers isn't the first place that springs to mind.

I love Naperville - its a great place to live.

The only drawback is the whole Illinois thing.

DeezNutz
07-12-2010, 02:29 PM
Overland Park is a fantastic place to raise a family.

chiefsnorth
07-12-2010, 02:32 PM
Yeah I'm not getting all the Minneapolis suburbs, I've been up there twice and it just seems like a bigger, colder version of Omaha.

WTF?

luv
07-12-2010, 02:38 PM
I shouldn't say it's complete shit. Fort Collins, CO is a great place. There are probably lots of great places on the list. When I'm looking at my area, though, (northwest Arkansas) and I want to raise a family... Rogers isn't the first place that springs to mind.

I'd pick Springfield, MO over nearly anyplace in Arkansas, especially Rogers. Also aver anyplace that's listed in OK.

Amnorix
07-12-2010, 02:43 PM
I think Peabody should be on the list, just because of how you people pronounce it. That, and Manor, TX.

What about Worcester (Wuss-ter) or Gloucester (Gloss-ter)? Or even Quincy (Quin-zee)?

Bearcat
07-12-2010, 02:45 PM
4 horrible seasons of weather, then I can see why Shawnee and Overland Park made the list.

If all 4 are horrible, what's left to like? :spock:

Lzen
07-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Heh...I'm not really sure. There is a feature on the site that lets you compare a city that isn't on the list with the top 10 in the list. I did that for Columbia, MO and it beat the top 10's averages in almost every category. I'm not saying Columbia is one of the top 10 (or even 50) cities to live in, but its clear they aren't basing the rankings on just the numbers they're listing.

The amount of MUrons per capita probably lowered the score quite a bit.





:D

DaneMcCloud
07-12-2010, 02:49 PM
False. Being single you can live fine on 50K a year.

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
07-12-2010, 02:51 PM
Overland Park is a fantastic place to raise a family.

This is true

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 02:52 PM
WTF?
Oh crap, here we go again, this happens every time I bring up Minneapolis. Maybe I missed all the good stuff both times I was there, but there was just nothing about the place that 'wowed' me.

The Pedestrian
07-12-2010, 03:12 PM
Overland Park is higher than Lee's Summit?

Fail.

HC_Chief
07-12-2010, 03:14 PM
Bellevue, WA is not bitter cold. It rains quite a bit but hardly bitter cold.

Bellevue is very nice... like that area a lot.

chiefsnorth
07-12-2010, 03:16 PM
Oh crap, here we go again, this happens every time I bring up Minneapolis. Maybe I missed all the good stuff both times I was there, but there was just nothing about the place that 'wowed' me.

What could a city of 4 million have that Omaha doesn't? :)

Baconeater
07-12-2010, 03:28 PM
What could a city of 4 million have that Omaha doesn't? :)
Professional sports teams and about 3.5 million too many people.

Pants
07-12-2010, 03:35 PM
Overland Park is higher than Lee's Summit?

Fail.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Reaper16
07-12-2010, 03:38 PM
Highlands Ranch, CO is also a souless suckhole (once again, no offense to anyone who lives there). It's clear that Money has a different idea of a good place to raise your family.

Suburban sprawl. Strip malls. Chain restaurants. Yehaw.
Best post of the thread.

DenverDanChiefsFan
07-12-2010, 03:55 PM
I live in #12 and enjoy it here. Great schools, housing has stayed stable, low crime, great weather (they say low temp in Jan is 14 - but rarely does it get that cold and even less rare if it ever stays that cold.

DenverDanChiefsFan
07-12-2010, 03:59 PM
Highlands Ranch, CO is also a souless suckhole (once again, no offense to anyone who lives there). It's clear that Money has a different idea of a good place to raise your family.

Suburban sprawl. Strip malls. Chain restaurants. Yehaw.Don't understand this post at all. I live here and very rarely go to a strip mall. Lots of parks and trails for hiking. 40 minutes from several ski areas. Great schools (2 kids with the oldest 12).

The thing that sucks the most is that it is highly republican.:D

DeezNutz
07-12-2010, 04:13 PM
Highlands Ranch, CO is also a souless suckhole (once again, no offense to anyone who lives there). It's clear that Money has a different idea of a good place to raise your family.

Suburban sprawl. Strip malls. Chain restaurants. Yehaw.

?

In what way? Is this being used in the same manner that some claim that house X doesn't have "character"?

Jethopper
07-12-2010, 04:36 PM
I was excited till I saw Ames on the list. That place is a shit tree.

Jethopper
07-12-2010, 04:38 PM
Hey! I just moved up here to #12 2 weeks ago! It has rained everyday up until this weekend! I hate this place........

DenverDanChiefsFan
07-12-2010, 05:44 PM
Hey! I just moved up here to #12 2 weeks ago! It has rained everyday up until this weekend! I hate this place........I have lived here for almost 7 years. We average about 250 sunny days a year. Durring the summer we do get afternoon showers, but it isn't a rain all day type of suck.

BWillie
07-12-2010, 06:34 PM
I went to a P&L a month+ ago and must say it was better than I expected. Still, I go to Vegas, Cali, and the east coast a lot and the quality + quantity of hot women is not even close.

Still there is a trade off in terms of cost of living and those kinds of things. I have a good friend in SoCal and he makes a LOT of money. He told me you can't really live there happily without making 250K a year.

Vegas? 8 out of 10 people I saw in Vegas were either fat or old people. I've been to So Cal twice, and sure if you are in the right area's you will see alot of good looking tail but there are alot of areas as well that you don't see that at all. The common blanket view of people is that Vegas, California, East Coast, Florida is ALL good looking people, and I'm sure that is true to some extent. I haven't been to the East Coast, but to be honest w/ you I saw the most beautiful people out of all my travels in Minneapolis and in Colorado. Most would probably not expect that.

I'm sure there are studys on this kind of thing, but aside from college towns, no where I've ever gone I've really noticed a huge difference...except in the South. I'm not saying KC is the mecca of hotties, but it isn't as bad as people on the coasts and urban legends make it out to be.

BWillie
07-12-2010, 06:35 PM
Ames, Iowa? I don't know about that one.

Obviously OP is going to make it, but if Shawnee and Lee's Summit are on the list then Olathe has to as well.

doomy3
07-12-2010, 09:07 PM
Vegas? 8 out of 10 people I saw in Vegas were either fat or old people. I've been to So Cal twice, and sure if you are in the right area's you will see alot of good looking tail but there are alot of areas as well that you don't see that at all. The common blanket view of people is that Vegas, California, East Coast, Florida is ALL good looking people, and I'm sure that is true to some extent. I haven't been to the East Coast, but to be honest w/ you I saw the most beautiful people out of all my travels in Minneapolis and in Colorado. Most would probably not expect that.

I'm sure there are studys on this kind of thing, but aside from college towns, no where I've ever gone I've really noticed a huge difference...except in the South. I'm not saying KC is the mecca of hotties, but it isn't as bad as people on the coasts and urban legends make it out to be.

You're out of your mind.

BWillie
07-12-2010, 11:12 PM
You're out of your mind.

When I went to the clubs and stuff it was different. But if I was out walking around, at least that was what I saw during the day. I did stay in the Flamingo and then this resort off the strip because my friends parents had it for free.

luv
07-12-2010, 11:14 PM
When I went to the clubs and stuff it was different. But if I was out walking around, at least that was what I saw during the day. I did stay in the Flamingo and then this resort off the strip because my friends parents had it for free.

You do realize that area is mostly tourists, right?

|Zach|
07-12-2010, 11:40 PM
Lee's Summit is a good place.

The Pedestrian
07-12-2010, 11:44 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I've never lived in either of those places, but I've visited frequently and had friends from both...there's no way OP can win that.

|Zach|
07-12-2010, 11:51 PM
I don't have qualms with OP being higher than Lee's Summit. But I don't think their attractiveness or difference is of laughable proportions in the least.

SNR
07-12-2010, 11:54 PM
Oh crap, here we go again, this happens every time I bring up Minneapolis. Maybe I missed all the good stuff both times I was there, but there was just nothing about the place that 'wowed' me.To name a few things....

Pro sports teams, incredible restaurants, plenty of shopping (Mall of America ring a bell?), culture (the Minnesota Orchestra is playing like a top 5 orchestra in the WORLD right now), a bigass university, corporate jobs, beautiful parks...

I mean, really, it's a large metropolitan area. You could ask the same thing in this way: "What does Chicago have over Minneapolis besides a few more million people and an extra baseball team?"

|Zach|
07-13-2010, 12:01 AM
Kansas City has a strong arts thing. The problem is Kansas Citians love the idea of things more than they love actually doing them. We have a great symphony. People don't really go.

DaneMcCloud
07-13-2010, 12:06 AM
To name a few things....

Pro sports teams, incredible restaurants, plenty of shopping (Mall of America ring a bell?), culture (the Minnesota Orchestra is playing like a top 5 orchestra in the WORLD right now), a bigass university, corporate jobs, beautiful parks...

I mean, really, it's a large metropolitan area. You could ask the same thing in this way: "What does Chicago have over Minneapolis besides a few more million people and an extra baseball team?"

One word: Frazod.

:D

Reaper16
07-13-2010, 12:10 AM
Anyone knocking Minneapolis can fuck off. That city is amazing.

SNR
07-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Anyone knocking Minneapolis can fuck off. That city is amazing.I mean, what if Omaha is really just that fucking awesome?

HoneyBadger
07-13-2010, 12:24 AM
Yorba Linda, CA is a shithole. And its number 38 on the list. I can think of 100 cities I would rather live in than.

What part of YL have you been to? Its not called the "Land of Gracious Living" for nothing.

Baconeater
07-13-2010, 12:26 AM
To name a few things....

Pro sports teams, incredible restaurants, plenty of shopping (Mall of America ring a bell?), culture (the Minnesota Orchestra is playing like a top 5 orchestra in the WORLD right now), a bigass university, corporate jobs, beautiful parks...

I mean, really, it's a large metropolitan area. You could ask the same thing in this way: "What does Chicago have over Minneapolis besides a few more million people and an extra baseball team?"
Yeah yeah, that's mostly the same shit any other big city has. I didn't go to Mall of America because the people that I was visiting were sick of going there with everyone who visited. And a shopping mall isn't anything groundbreaking anyway, even if it's the biggest one ever and has a roller coaster in it. It's still a bunch of stores. Whoopee.

And it's not about what Chicago has, it's what Chicago and many other cities don't have and that's the brutal winters.

I'm not really knocking it, I just find it hard to believe that 5 of their suburbs are really in the top 20 places to live in the entire country. Heck my friends that lived up there couldn't wait to get the hell out of there and bailed the first chance they got. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for a city.

Baconeater
07-13-2010, 12:27 AM
I mean, what if Omaha is really just that ****ing awesome?
Where do you see me touting Omaha as being any better?

Reaper16
07-13-2010, 12:35 AM
Screw suburban anywhere.

SNR
07-13-2010, 12:51 AM
Where do you see me touting Omaha as being any better?You didn't. You said:

Yeah I'm not getting all the Minneapolis suburbs, I've been up there twice and it just seems like a bigger, colder version of Omaha.

Reaper said he hates Minneapolis haters. I was joking and said maybe you weren't hating on Minneapolis, and maybe Omaha is an awesome place.

SNR
07-13-2010, 12:54 AM
Yeah yeah, that's mostly the same shit any other big city has. I didn't go to Mall of America because the people that I was visiting were sick of going there with everyone who visited. And a shopping mall isn't anything groundbreaking anyway, even if it's the biggest one ever and has a roller coaster in it. It's still a bunch of stores. Whoopee.

And it's not about what Chicago has, it's what Chicago and many other cities don't have and that's the brutal winters.

I'm not really knocking it, I just find it hard to believe that 5 of their suburbs are really in the top 20 places to live in the entire country. Heck my friends that lived up there couldn't wait to get the hell out of there and bailed the first chance they got. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for a city.Chicago gets just as cold as Minneapolis does. When it's -30 in Minneapolis, it's probably -20 in Chicago. And I'll tell you what- I've lived in North Dakota for quite a bit of my life and I can't tell the difference between -20 and -30. My body only reads one temperature below -10: "really fucking cold".

doomy3
07-13-2010, 07:40 AM
When I went to the clubs and stuff it was different. But if I was out walking around, at least that was what I saw during the day. I did stay in the Flamingo and then this resort off the strip because my friends parents had it for free.

That is because all the good looking people spend their daytimes at the pool in Vegas.

Brock
07-13-2010, 07:55 AM
he actually mentioned "Mall of America" as a selling point? ROFL

TheGuardian
07-13-2010, 08:37 AM
Vegas? 8 out of 10 people I saw in Vegas were either fat or old people. I've been to So Cal twice, and sure if you are in the right area's you will see alot of good looking tail but there are alot of areas as well that you don't see that at all. The common blanket view of people is that Vegas, California, East Coast, Florida is ALL good looking people, and I'm sure that is true to some extent. I haven't been to the East Coast, but to be honest w/ you I saw the most beautiful people out of all my travels in Minneapolis and in Colorado. Most would probably not expect that.

I'm sure there are studys on this kind of thing, but aside from college towns, no where I've ever gone I've really noticed a huge difference...except in the South. I'm not saying KC is the mecca of hotties, but it isn't as bad as people on the coasts and urban legends make it out to be.

I've lived east coast, west coast, in the south, and midwest. The midwest by FAR has more homely and average looking women than anywhere I've ever lived. Colorado? Mountain women? No thanks. Most of them wear no makeup, don't fix their hair and rarely dress up. That shit is homely. Maybe it's just preference but I like for women to actually TRY to look good. I don't give a rats ass about that "natural beauty" look.

As far as Vegas goes, you have to go to the right hotel at the right time of year. Then it's unreal deep in hot women.

chiefsnorth
07-13-2010, 08:46 AM
To name a few things....

Pro sports teams, incredible restaurants, plenty of shopping (Mall of America ring a bell?), culture (the Minnesota Orchestra is playing like a top 5 orchestra in the WORLD right now), a bigass university, corporate jobs, beautiful parks...

I mean, really, it's a large metropolitan area. You could ask the same thing in this way: "What does Chicago have over Minneapolis besides a few more million people and an extra baseball team?"

Very low crime for a city its size, good transportation, low unemployment, good schools, tons of culture, 4 pro sports teams plus a Big 10 school in the metro. Access to wider Minnesota which appeals to anyone who likes doing anything outdoors. And winter gets the mentions, but the weather is actually great the other 3 seasons. Do you really do a lot of things outside in Omaha or KC in January? Eh. Great place... course I am biased.

SNR
07-13-2010, 09:20 AM
he actually mentioned "Mall of America" as a selling point? ROFLIf it isn't your thing, then take it off the list as a selling point. Don't tell me the Twin Cities has zero places to shop outside of the Mall of America. I just put it up there as an example.

You still have the other 1,239 things to dispute before you tell me Minneapolis sucks.

Brock
07-13-2010, 09:22 AM
If it isn't your thing, then take it off the list as a selling point, jackass.

You still have the other 1,239 things to dispute before you tell me Minneapolis sucks.

I just thought it was funny that you mentioned a mall as some kind of feather in Minnesota's cap. Sorry if it ruffled your feathers, lady.

jspchief
07-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Ames, IA is a shithole. It's curently packing up it's '82 Monte Carlo, on it's way to fight Clinton, IA for the title of white trash capitol of the state.

Of those IA cities, West Des Moines should be highest, Iowa City is fine where it is, and if there's a 3rd city, Ankeny should probably be it.

I'm surprised by the # of people pissing and moaning about the weather of the cities listed. Maybe you haven't noticed, but places with year round great weather attract all the kinds of people that keep those cities off the list.

SNR
07-13-2010, 10:02 AM
I just thought it was funny that you mentioned a mall as some kind of feather in Minnesota's cap. Sorry if it ruffled your feathers, lady.Good shopping IS a feather in a city's cap. The same goes for New York City, Paris, or wherever the fuck you want. Why wouldn't it be a good thing for a city to have? I'm sure all those Bloomington residents are cursing that damn Mall of America for giving them jobs.

NewChief
07-13-2010, 10:04 AM
Good shopping IS a feather in a city's cap. The same goes for New York City, Paris, or wherever the **** you want. Why wouldn't it be a good thing for a city to have? I'm sure all those Bloomington residents are cursing that damn Mall of America for giving them jobs.

Malls are empty these days, anyway. Surest indicator of economic trends according to Austrian economics. [/crossthread]

SNR
07-13-2010, 10:08 AM
According to the MOA's website, it employs over 11,000 people year-round and 13,000 during peak periods.

But it's a fucking mall. How could it possibly something a city can be proud of?

ISUJeff
07-13-2010, 10:11 AM
Why all the hate for Ames on here? Admit it may not deserve top ten, but still it's a great town, even if I'm a little biased.
It doesn't have the nearby attractions of all the suburbs listed, but that's also kind of a selling point, that it is it's own little city by itself.
And white trash? C'mon. It's just a small Iowa city with 30,000 students and a beautiful campus.

jspchief
07-13-2010, 10:15 AM
Why all the hate for Ames on here? Admit it may not deserve top ten, but still it's a great town, even if I'm a little biased.
It doesn't have the nearby attractions of all the suburbs listed, but that's also kind of a selling point, that it is it's own little city by itself.
And white trash? C'mon. It's just a small Iowa city with 30,000 students and a beautiful campus.Ames has a very small area that I would consider very nice, and small pockets here and there. But overall, that town is scummy.

Brock
07-13-2010, 10:17 AM
According to the MOA's website, it employs over 11,000 people year-round and 13,000 during peak periods.

But it's a fucking mall. How could it possibly something a city can be proud of?

Hey, that's great. Walmart employs a lot of people too, but not too many towns brag about having one.

SDChiefs
07-13-2010, 10:20 AM
Vegas? 8 out of 10 people I saw in Vegas were either fat or old people. I've been to So Cal twice, and sure if you are in the right area's you will see alot of good looking tail but there are alot of areas as well that you don't see that at all. The common blanket view of people is that Vegas, California, East Coast, Florida is ALL good looking people, and I'm sure that is true to some extent. I haven't been to the East Coast, but to be honest w/ you I saw the most beautiful people out of all my travels in Minneapolis and in Colorado. Most would probably not expect that.

I'm sure there are studys on this kind of thing, but aside from college towns, no where I've ever gone I've really noticed a huge difference...except in the South. I'm not saying KC is the mecca of hotties, but it isn't as bad as people on the coasts and urban legends make it out to be.

My boss is from New York and he lives in San Diego and I asked him who had better looking women. He said they both have good looking women just San Diego has them everywhere. I believe it was Forbes but I could be mistaken listed Miami and San Diego as the best looking people. You can throw a rock and hit a hottie here. Only problem is, they know they are hot.

SDChiefs
07-13-2010, 10:30 AM
What part of YL have you been to? Its not called the "Land of Gracious Living" for nothing.

To be honest, Im not a huge fan of Orange County to begin with. Its just Yorba Linda struck me as pretty ghetto. More Montebello then Huntington Beach.

SDChiefs
07-13-2010, 10:33 AM
Yeah yeah, that's mostly the same shit any other big city has. I didn't go to Mall of America because the people that I was visiting were sick of going there with everyone who visited. And a shopping mall isn't anything groundbreaking anyway, even if it's the biggest one ever and has a roller coaster in it. It's still a bunch of stores. Whoopee.

And it's not about what Chicago has, it's what Chicago and many other cities don't have and that's the brutal winters.

I'm not really knocking it, I just find it hard to believe that 5 of their suburbs are really in the top 20 places to live in the entire country. Heck my friends that lived up there couldn't wait to get the hell out of there and bailed the first chance they got. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for a city.

Ive never been to the twin cities except for flying through and I hate them because of it. You have the Mall of America and you still have to have a damn mall in the airport. I had to run for 20 minutes just to have a smoke break in between flights. Not cool.

chiefsnorth
07-13-2010, 10:50 AM
Ive never been to the twin cities except for flying through and I hate them because of it. You have the Mall of America and you still have to have a damn mall in the airport. I had to run for 20 minutes just to have a smoke break in between flights. Not cool.

How many airports are there where you can smoke inside the secured area?

SDChiefs
07-13-2010, 12:19 PM
How many airports are there where you can smoke inside the secured area?

I have no clue.

SNR
07-13-2010, 04:31 PM
Hey, that's great. Walmart employs a lot of people too, but not too many towns brag about having one.What Walmart do you know employs 11,000 people?

Brock
07-13-2010, 04:45 PM
What Walmart do you know employs 11,000 people?

If there was such a thing, I doubt anybody would brag about it. Look, it's fine, enjoy your monument to people paying too much for bullshit they don't need. Just don't try to tell me that it's a reason to think Minnesota is a great place to live.

58-4ever
07-13-2010, 05:01 PM
Norman dropped from #6 in 2008? I can't believe Stillwater ranked higher. Stillwater is a shit-hole.

58-4ever
07-13-2010, 05:02 PM
What Walmart do you know employs 11,000 people?

Probably a distribution center?

58-4ever
07-13-2010, 05:04 PM
I'd pick Springfield, MO over nearly anyplace in Arkansas, especially Rogers. Also aver anyplace that's listed in OK.

Springfield over Edmond or Norman? Your and idiot.

NewChief
07-14-2010, 07:19 AM
I'd pick Springfield, MO over nearly anyplace in Arkansas, especially Rogers. Also aver anyplace that's listed in OK.

Springfield isn't bad as far as the bars and downtown scene from what I remember during my trips there to see bands. Doesn't beat Fayetteville, though, mainly because we have a major university here. We also have a badass arts scene.

Otter
07-14-2010, 08:40 AM
I want to bulldoze every politician, illegal alien and radical liberal into the Pacific Ocean and start California over.

Such potential. So much fail.

RunKC
09-13-2014, 08:41 PM
I've been in Seattle and Portland for vacation this week and it's absolutely amazing up here.
Weather, food, activities. Not crowded.

The great northwest is where it's at. Just ask Mr. flopnuts

BlackOp
09-13-2014, 10:06 PM
I've been in Seattle and Portland for vacation this week and it's absolutely amazing up here.
Weather, food, activities. Not crowded.

The great northwest is where it's at. Just ask Mr. flopnuts

Seattle is one of only 5 cities I would live in...it's beautiful.

Kaepernick
09-13-2014, 10:21 PM
Seattle is one of America's most beautiful cities. The rain phobia is overrated. Yes, it rains a lot. It also doesn't rain long. It rains about like most east coast cities do. But because it lies on the desert west where we typically get 6 months of unbroken dry weather, it is considered this godawful depressing rain fest.

Rain Man
09-13-2014, 10:25 PM
The biggest draw that most of the Colorado cities have is that they're suburbs of Denver, and they can easily drive into Denver to good food and culture and arts and sports and everything else. In and of themselves, they're pretty boring and bland suburbs that I wouldn't want to live in. Fort Collins and Loveland are the only Colorado cities on the list that's not a boring and bland suburb of Denver.

The challenge with a lot of these lists is that they'll include things like crime rates and school ratings and stuff, which on the surface is a fair thing to do. But in a big city (e.g., Denver), you're going to have differences by neighborhoods and you're going to have big daytime populations and you're going to have tourists, and all of those things will tend to drive the average crime rate up. There are simply more people in town on any given day than the population shows. The school thing will be important to some people but not others, and even though they make it a criterion in almost all of these lists, it really only matters to the 20 percent of the population that has kids. It's very overrated.

suzzer99
09-13-2014, 10:25 PM
O'Fallon is a huge boring dump. Bleh.

GloucesterChief
09-13-2014, 11:57 PM
Seattle is one of America's most beautiful cities. The rain phobia is overrated. Yes, it rains a lot. It also doesn't rain long. It rains about like most east coast cities do. But because it lies on the desert west where we typically get 6 months of unbroken dry weather, it is considered this godawful depressing rain fest.

No it doesn't rain like an East coast city. There are no thunderstorms. It does rain a lot but not a hard rain mostly a mist to a drizzle. Everything just stays wet in the fall, winter, and spring. The temperature stays pretty even though so it is rarely snowy or icy. Yes, compared to Southern California which is a desert it rains a lot. It does not rain a lot compared to say Hawaii.

I much rather have that then the lake effect snow around the Great Lakes region.

KCtotheSB
09-14-2014, 12:30 AM
CTRL + F: "Ferguson, MO" not found

BlackOp
09-14-2014, 01:03 AM
Johnson County is god awful...It's almost like they intentionally made a place that is totally void of culture. It's Stepford Wife shit...that place freaks me out.

Kaepernick
09-14-2014, 02:31 AM
No it doesn't rain like an East coast city. There are no thunderstorms. It does rain a lot but not a hard rain mostly a mist to a drizzle. Everything just stays wet in the fall, winter, and spring. The temperature stays pretty even though so it is rarely snowy or icy. Yes, compared to Southern California which is a desert it rains a lot. It does not rain a lot compared to say Hawaii.

I much rather have that then the lake effect snow around the Great Lakes region.

And in the summer, it clears up by 3 pm with beautiful blue skies pretty much every day.

Kaepernick
09-14-2014, 02:32 AM
Good to see Chesapeake, VA on the list. One of my retirement possibilities. I just wish VA taxes were a bit lower.

My only problem with Virginia is that it seems to be one big speed trap. They issue huge numbers of reckless driving and it is a stiff penalty.

splatbass
09-14-2014, 02:35 AM
I've been to a lot of those places, lived near several. I don't see any I would live in.

I've lived in the midwest, on the east coast, on the west coast, traveled extensively to most of the other parts of the country, and AFAIC I currently live in the best place to live - Hawaii. Expensive? Yes, but worth it.

Why Not?
09-14-2014, 07:33 AM
I've been to a lot of those places, lived near several. I don't see any I would live in.

I've lived in the midwest, on the east coast, on the west coast, traveled extensively to most of the other parts of the country, and AFAIC I currently live in the best place to live - Hawaii. Expensive? Yes, but worth it.

Damn right it's the best place to live! I got Gilbert, where I live now, at number 2 but I will return to the homeland one day!

Xanathol
09-14-2014, 07:46 AM
Any city north of the mason dixon line is a fail.

GloucesterChief
09-14-2014, 09:32 AM
Good to see Chesapeake, VA on the list. One of my retirement possibilities. I just wish VA taxes were a bit lower.

My only problem with Virginia is that it seems to be one big speed trap. They issue huge numbers of reckless driving and it is a stiff penalty.

Depends where you are. Northern Virginia certainly is. Hampton Roads not so much though Chesapeake is on the Southside which is more built up than the Peninsula. If I were to live in Hampton Roads I would choose York County, Williamsburg, or Isle of Wight county. Just in Isle of Wight stay away from Smithfield unless you like the smell of pigs.

58-4ever
09-14-2014, 10:12 AM
Johnson County is god awful...It's almost like they intentionally made a place that is totally void of culture. It's Stepford Wife shit...that place freaks me out.

Feel free to stay the fuck out too. :thumb:

BlackOp
09-14-2014, 10:15 AM
Feel free to stay the **** out too. :thumb:

Its cool...enjoy your strip mall clone culture..:thumb:

splatbass
09-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Any city north of the mason dixon line is a fail.

Funny, my rule would be the opposite.

splatbass
09-14-2014, 11:21 AM
Damn right it's the best place to live! I got Gilbert, where I live now, at number 2 but I will return to the homeland one day!

:thumb:

Rain Man
09-14-2014, 12:24 PM
Any city north of the mason dixon line is a fail.


If by "Mason Dixon" you mean Mississippi River, and by "north" you mean east, then I completely agree.