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Tribal Warfare
07-14-2010, 06:23 AM
Darth Vader Banned From 'Star Wars' Party (http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2010/07/12/dave-prowse-darth-vader-banned-lucas-film-star-wars-celebration/?_r=true&anonymousId=4004488402562541318)

Things aren't going well for the original Dark Lord of the Sith.

Dave Prowse, who wore the Darth Vader costume in the first three 'Star Wars' films, has been banned from the forthcoming Lucas Film Star Wars Celebration party in Orlando, Florida. Not only that, he's been told his presence won't be welcome at any Lucas Film/Star Wars-related events.

As Prowse announced on his website: "It is with regret that I have been informed by my friends at C2 Ventures, Ben and Phillip, that I am not to be invited to C5 this year or any other Lucas Film associated events. After enquiring, the only thing I have been told is that I have 'burnt too many bridges between Lucas Film and myself' -- no other reason given ..."

Hmmm. There could be a reason, though, seeing as Uncle George is probably fuming at the comments Prowse recently made to SlashFilm about not receiving any residual payment for 'Return of the Jedi' -- because it didn't make a profit(!): "I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we've got nothing to send you. Now here we're talking about one of the biggest releases of all time ..."

Maybe poor old Dave should learn to keep his mouth shut. Otherwise we'll have to sit through another re-release of the original films with Prowse's presence completely replaced by a digital Vader. Seriously, you know it could happen ...

Deberg_1990
07-14-2010, 07:52 AM
Hmmm....im guessing that wasnt him at in the suit the end of Episode III ?

MOhillbilly
07-14-2010, 07:56 AM
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/0/7/4/1/7/webimg/298350860_tp.jpg

Red Brooklyn
07-14-2010, 08:55 AM
Hmmm....im guessing that wasnt him at in the suit the end of Episode III ?
Indeed not. :)

Actually, I believe it was the Devil himself. Hayden Christensen.

Cave Johnson
07-14-2010, 09:00 AM
Dude has a point. No way Jedi wasn't profitable. Take Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix, which grossed $938M. WB claims it's still $167M in the hole. How, you may ask. Accounting magic.

The really, really, really simplified version is that Hollywood sets up a separate corporation for each movie with the intent that this corporation will take on losses. The studio then charges the “film corporation” a huge fee (which creates a large part of the “expense” that leads to the loss). The end result is that the studio still rakes in the cash, but for accounting purposes the film is a money “loser” — which matters quite a bit for anyone who is supposed to get a cut of any profits.

In [the Harry Potter] statement, you’ll notice the “distribution fee” of $212 million dollars. That’s basically Warner Bros. paying itself to make sure the movie “loses money.” There are some other fun tidbits in there as well. The $130 million in “advertising and publicity”? Again, much of that is actually Warner Bros. paying itself (or paying its own “properties”). $57 million in “interest”? Also to itself for “financing” the film. Even if we assume that only half of the “advertising and publicity” money is Warner Bros. paying itself, we’re still talking about $350 million that Warner Bros. shifts around, which get taken out of the “bottom line” in the movie accounting.

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/07/hollywood-accounting-explained

Red Brooklyn
07-14-2010, 09:07 AM
That's insane.

Fish
07-14-2010, 09:39 AM
Dude has a point. No way Jedi wasn't profitable. Take Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix, which grossed $938M. WB claims it's still $167M in the hole. How, you may ask. Accounting magic.

The really, really, really simplified version is that Hollywood sets up a separate corporation for each movie with the intent that this corporation will take on losses. The studio then charges the “film corporation” a huge fee (which creates a large part of the “expense” that leads to the loss). The end result is that the studio still rakes in the cash, but for accounting purposes the film is a money “loser” — which matters quite a bit for anyone who is supposed to get a cut of any profits.

In [the Harry Potter] statement, you’ll notice the “distribution fee” of $212 million dollars. That’s basically Warner Bros. paying itself to make sure the movie “loses money.” There are some other fun tidbits in there as well. The $130 million in “advertising and publicity”? Again, much of that is actually Warner Bros. paying itself (or paying its own “properties”). $57 million in “interest”? Also to itself for “financing” the film. Even if we assume that only half of the “advertising and publicity” money is Warner Bros. paying itself, we’re still talking about $350 million that Warner Bros. shifts around, which get taken out of the “bottom line” in the movie accounting.

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/07/hollywood-accounting-explained

LMAO... :shake:..... Fuck Hollywood hard...

That's just completely absurd. And they don't even make any effort whatsoever to hide the fact that the studios do this shit intentionally. Why can't Hollywood fucks make any decent movies these days? Cause the greedy dumbshits have dug a hole for themselves so deep that there's no crawling back out. And this just shows that it's been going on for decades.

Bowser
07-14-2010, 09:54 AM
Dude has a point. No way Jedi wasn't profitable. Take Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix, which grossed $938M. WB claims it's still $167M in the hole. How, you may ask. Accounting magic.

The really, really, really simplified version is that Hollywood sets up a separate corporation for each movie with the intent that this corporation will take on losses. The studio then charges the “film corporation” a huge fee (which creates a large part of the “expense” that leads to the loss). The end result is that the studio still rakes in the cash, but for accounting purposes the film is a money “loser” — which matters quite a bit for anyone who is supposed to get a cut of any profits.

In [the Harry Potter] statement, you’ll notice the “distribution fee” of $212 million dollars. That’s basically Warner Bros. paying itself to make sure the movie “loses money.” There are some other fun tidbits in there as well. The $130 million in “advertising and publicity”? Again, much of that is actually Warner Bros. paying itself (or paying its own “properties”). $57 million in “interest”? Also to itself for “financing” the film. Even if we assume that only half of the “advertising and publicity” money is Warner Bros. paying itself, we’re still talking about $350 million that Warner Bros. shifts around, which get taken out of the “bottom line” in the movie accounting.

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/07/hollywood-accounting-explainedJust.....insane. Seriously, wtf? All that for a tax break and an opportunity for execs to throw fives times the stripper and blow parties they would have been able to afford without these "distribution fees"?

And really, how do you NOT pay Darth Fucking Vader?

Brock
07-14-2010, 10:17 AM
Chewbacca has the good sense to keep his mouth shut.

Red Brooklyn
07-14-2010, 10:41 AM
Chewbacca has the good sense to keep his mouth shut.
Not that anyone but Harrison Ford can understand him anyway.

Swanman
07-14-2010, 11:12 AM
Chewbacca has the good sense to keep his mouth shut.

What is Boba Fett's stance on this mularkey?

Brock
07-14-2010, 11:41 AM
Greedo is still pissed about the whole who shot first thing.

morphius
07-14-2010, 11:52 AM
What is Boba Fett's stance on this mularkey?
He is still digesting the news.

Rain Man
07-14-2010, 11:56 AM
Maybe he was getting paid by the line.


I always wondered how they cast him and how he won the job. His role was to wear a costume that fully obscured all of his features and to have no speaking lines and simply walk to his spots and occasionally raise an arm to strangle an Imperial commander.

How do you win a job like that? Did they have a big casting call where everybody walked around and occasionally raised their strangling arm? Were the casting people writing emphatic notes like, "Walks kind of funny" or "abnormally long gait - is that Darth?" How many callbacks did they have? Was it like six callbacks while they thought more and more deeply about the length of Darth's stride and the radius of his forearms? I'd like to have seen that process.

Red Brooklyn
07-14-2010, 12:59 PM
He is still digesting the news.

AY-OH!

Fat Elvis
07-14-2010, 01:13 PM
He is still digesting the news.

On Tatooine, the news digests you.

JD10367
07-14-2010, 01:56 PM
Maybe he was getting paid by the line.


I always wondered how they cast him and how he won the job. His role was to wear a costume that fully obscured all of his features and to have no speaking lines and simply walk to his spots and occasionally raise an arm to strangle an Imperial commander.

How do you win a job like that? Did they have a big casting call where everybody walked around and occasionally raised their strangling arm? Were the casting people writing emphatic notes like, "Walks kind of funny" or "abnormally long gait - is that Darth?" How many callbacks did they have? Was it like six callbacks while they thought more and more deeply about the length of Darth's stride and the radius of his forearms? I'd like to have seen that process.

Given the fact that, IIRC, almost everyone involved in making the first film thought it was going to be a giant disastrous farce, Prowse was probably the first guy who agreed to do it, LOL. Hindsight is 20/20. Really, though, what could he have done? Held out for a bigger salary for "Empire" and "Return"? Lucas would've simply said, "Dude, you're in a fucking suit, I can pretty much hire anyone since the only requirements are height and being able to walk."

Frosty
07-14-2010, 02:17 PM
I always wondered how they cast him and how he won the job. His role was to wear a costume that fully obscured all of his features and to have no speaking lines and simply walk to his spots and occasionally raise an arm to strangle an Imperial commander.

How do you win a job like that? Did they have a big casting call where everybody walked around and occasionally raised their strangling arm? Were the casting people writing emphatic notes like, "Walks kind of funny" or "abnormally long gait - is that Darth?" How many callbacks did they have? Was it like six callbacks while they thought more and more deeply about the length of Darth's stride and the radius of his forearms? I'd like to have seen that process.

Speaking of just acting in a suit, I was in DC a few weeks ago and saw the original C3PO suit at the American History Smithsonian. That guy must have been tiny. It is much smaller than you would think.

JD10367
07-14-2010, 02:20 PM
Speaking of just acting in a suit, I was in DC a few weeks ago and saw the original C3PO suit at the American History Smithsonian. That guy must have been tiny. It is much smaller than you would think.

Yeah, Anthony Daniels is pretty slim. He had it rough. Then again, the little dude in the R2D2 outfit didn't have a great time either, I bet. Nor did the guy wearing the rug as Chewbacca. When you think about it, a lot of the actors in that film had shitty jobs. :D

Swanman
07-14-2010, 03:49 PM
He is still digesting the news.

He made it out. A silly sarlacc pit can't keep Boba down.

the Talking Can
07-14-2010, 03:51 PM
he could party with these guys

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Taco John
07-14-2010, 04:58 PM
I wonder what kind of residuals are written in that guy's contract. Funny to me that you can get residuals for wearing a suit and shaking your fists now and again.

Mr. Laz
07-14-2010, 05:09 PM
i get the feeling that George Lucas is pretty much a hard ass prick.


but :shrug: