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ZootedGranny
07-15-2010, 12:42 PM
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Talent is a more fluid proposition in football than any other sport. Consider some of the prominent young wide receivers of last season and where they were before the 2009-10 campaign. Sidney Rice was third on the Minnesota Vikings' depth chart at wide receiver; had the team's pitch to T.J. Houshmandzadeh in free agency worked, Rice would have been buried behind him. Robert Meachem was a colossal bust who had 12 catches in two pro seasons. Miles Austin was stuck behind Sam Hurd as the primary backup for the Dallas Cowboys. Pierre Garcon was a lower-level college star with a cool name.

This past season was nothing new; every year, teams are pushed to new heights by players who were considered to be inexperienced or underprepared only weeks prior. Flaws attributed to talent magically disappear with playing time, first-team practice reps and confidence. Our Top 25 Prospects list attempts to identify those individual players lurking at the bottom of NFL rosters who are likely to emerge as valuable players in 2010, but our Organizational Rankings take a different approach.

Instead of limiting our analysis to players who have yet to emerge in the NFL, these rankings consider all players who will be 25 or younger as of September 1, 2010 -- regardless of where they were drafted or how many games they've started. After compiling a list of eligible players for each team, we compared the groups on a variety of factors. We weighed issues like upside versus established production, quantity versus quality, and current staff versus historical ability to develop rookies when it comes to evaluating the talent available to each NFL franchise.

In the end, we put together these rankings with help from the rest of the crew at Football Outsiders. The capsules represent a synopsis of thoughts as to why the team is ranked where they are and who the important young players are for the franchise. However, we should point out that talent under the age of 25 does not equal talent overall. In the NFL, a couple bounces of the ball can turn an average team into a wild-card contender -- but it takes real time to build a team that can challenge for a Super Bowl title. Some of the teams near the top of our list are still a couple of years away from that point, and their rank is more about promise for the future than promise for this upcoming campaign.

Consider some of the prominent young wide receivers of last season and where they were before the 2009-10 campaign. Sidney Rice was third on the Minnesota Vikings' depth chart at wide receiver; had the team's pitch to T.J. Houshmandzadeh in free agency worked, Rice would have been buried behind him. Robert Meachem was a colossal bust who had 12 catches in two pro seasons. Miles Austin was stuck behind Sam Hurd as the primary backup for the Dallas Cowboys. Pierre Garcon was a lower-level college star with a cool name.

This past season was nothing new; every year, teams are pushed to new heights by players who were considered to be inexperienced or underprepared only weeks prior. Flaws attributed to talent magically disappear with playing time, first-team practice reps and confidence. Our Top 25 Prospects list attempts to identify those individual players lurking at the bottom of NFL rosters who are likely to emerge as valuable players in 2010, but our Organizational Rankings take a different approach.

Instead of limiting our analysis to players who have yet to emerge in the NFL, these rankings consider all players who will be 25 or younger as of September 1, 2010 -- regardless of where they were drafted or how many games they've started. After compiling a list of eligible players for each team, we compared the groups on a variety of factors. We weighed issues like upside versus established production, quantity versus quality, and current staff versus historical ability to develop rookies when it comes to evaluating the talent available to each NFL franchise.

In the end, we put together these rankings with help from the rest of the crew at Football Outsiders. The capsules represent a synopsis of thoughts as to why the team is ranked where they are and who the important young players are for the franchise. However, we should point out that talent under the age of 25 does not equal talent overall. In the NFL, a couple bounces of the ball can turn an average team into a wild-card contender -- but it takes real time to build a team that can challenge for a Super Bowl title. Some of the teams near the top of our list are still a couple of years away from that point, and their rank is more about promise for the future than promise for this upcoming campaign.

3. Kansas City Chiefs
The secret isn't out yet in Kansas City, but it's about to be -- the Chiefs have one of the best developing cores of talent in the game. They're deepest in the secondary, where fifth-overall pick Eric Berry will play safety behind a strong young tandem of cornerbacks: Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers. They will be joined by a fourth young starter, but incumbent Jarrad Page has requested a trade, which makes it likely that fifth-round pick Kendrick Lewis will start instead. Even nickelback Javier Arenas is a 22-year-old rookie. The front three features 2009 first-rounder Tyson Jackson and 2008 first-rounder Glenn Dorsey, though Dorsey has struggled to live up to the hype that surrounded him before the draft. The Chiefs also have an underrated group of developing players on offense, led by breakout star Jamaal Charles, who was the best running back in football during the second half of the 2009 season. Dwayne Bowe, for all his off-field antics, has shown a decent amount of promise despite playing alongside a litany of middling quarterbacks. He could be joined by 21-year-old Dexter McCluster, who will play the slot as a rookie after converting from running back during the offseason. Left tackle Branden Albert is a serviceable starter at worst, and third-round guard Jon Asamoah is likely to start in 2011. If Kansas City suddenly emerges in the league this year, guys like Charles, Carr, and Berry are going to be household names.

Chocolate Hog
07-15-2010, 12:55 PM
LOL @ secondary with Kendrick Lewis and Javiar Arenas. This defense is fucked.

Cave Johnson
07-15-2010, 03:30 PM
Zooted, which teams were above us?

And where did they rank the other AFCW teams?

DA_T_84
07-15-2010, 03:44 PM
LOL @ secondary with Kendrick Lewis and Javiar Arenas. This defense is ****ed.

Arenas is going to be an icky nickel. Just you wait billllllllllllaye

JASONSAUTO
07-15-2010, 03:57 PM
LOL @ secondary with Kendrick Lewis and Javiar Arenas. This defense is fucked.

ROFL billay is an idiot again

Mecca
07-15-2010, 03:59 PM
Arenas is going to be an icky nickel. Just you wait billllllllllllaye

Maybe so but without a pass rush or rush defense it won't matter much.

SDChiefs
07-15-2010, 04:16 PM
We just need to get a ****ing QB already.

ZootedGranny
07-15-2010, 05:58 PM
Zooted, which teams were above us?

And where did they rank the other AFCW teams?

Sorry, I thought I had included the entire list:

32. Washington Redskins

31. San Diego Chargers
Since Norv Turner's arrival in 2007, the Chargers have failed to develop much in the way of young talent. First-round picks Craig Davis (2007) and Antoine Cason (2008) do not have good NFL records, and San Diego's only impact player under 25 is criminally underrated safety Eric Weddle. The Chargers hope that Cason grows into a starting role this year, halfback Ryan Mathews improves what was the league's worst rush offense in 2009-10, and middle linebacker Brandon Siler builds off a strong second half.

30. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
29. Arizona Cardinals
28. New Orleans Saints
27. Chicago Bears

26. Oakland Raiders
The Raiders are the NFL's version of the "chicken versus egg" argument: Do they take talented players and suck the ability out of them, or do they just draft the wrong people? Disasters like Darrius Heyward-Bey point to the latter, while the disappointing beginning to Darren McFadden's career suggests the former. Despite themselves, the Raiders have developed a few talented players: Tight end Zach Miller should be a Pro Bowler this year, while defensive end Matt Shaughnessy exhibited signs of physical dominance as a rookie and could end up as an impact pass-rusher.

25. St. Louis Rams
24. Green Bay Packers
23. New York Jets
22. Buffalo Bills
21. Seatle Seahawks
20. Dallas Cowboys
19. Pittsburgh Steelers
18. New England Patriots
17. New York Giants
16. Minnesota Vikings
15. Jacksonville Jaguars
14. Indianapolis Colts
13. Philadelphia Eagles
12. Tennessee Titans
11. Miami Dolphins

10. Denver Broncos
No team has a more skewed stack of talent than Denver. Despite having one of the league's oldest defenses, the Broncos didn't invest a single pick on that side of the ball until the fifth round. They'll move 2009 first-rounder Robert Ayers into the starting lineup at outside linebacker this year, but Ayers' SackSEER projection (explained here) suggests he'll be a colossal bust. The only other young defender expected to see any playing time is nickelback Alphonso Smith, who lost his job to Ty Law last year. Ty Law. A time machine wasn't even involved. On the other hand, Denver has a devastating crop of young talent on offense before we even consider how Tim Tebow will develop. Although he's coming off of a knee injury, left tackle Ryan Clady is among the game's best offensive linemen, while bookend Ryan Harris is supremely underrated. They could be joined up front by rookie guard Zane Beadles and center J.D. Walton as early as this year to block for second-year running back Knowshon Moreno. By 2011, the Broncos could be fielding an offense with only one starter -- Chris Kuper -- who is older than 26.

9. Detroit Lions
8. Cleveland Browns
7. Atlanta Falcons
6. Cincinnati Bengals
5. San Francisco 49ers
4. Baltimore Ravens
3. Kansas City Chiefs
2. Carolina Panthers
1. Houston Texans

Here's a link to the full text: http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=55105

OnTheWarpath58
07-15-2010, 06:08 PM
I guess they're just assuming that all of these guys are going to pan out.

'Hamas' Jenkins
07-15-2010, 06:39 PM
Detroit has Suh, Calvin Johnson, Jahvid Best, Sammie Lee Hill, Louis Delmas, Jason Fox, and Stafford, all of whom are under 25. How the fuck are they 9th?

Ebolapox
07-15-2010, 07:47 PM
you know, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. all the guys will work out. however, we don't have a qb. if you don't have a qb, you don't have what it takes. so all the talent is basically fucking worthless.

notorious
07-15-2010, 08:35 PM
you know, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. all the guys will work out. however, we don't have a qb. if you don't have a qb, you don't have what it takes. so all the talent is basically ****ing worthless.

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