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petegz28
07-15-2010, 01:54 PM
No, this is not coming from Rasmussen or an internal GOP poll, but from the normally Democrat-sympathetic Public Policy Polling. PPP pitted Barack Obama against five potential Republican challengers for the 2012 presidential campaign, and the only one Obama beat was Ö Jan Brewer. Even that, PPP admitted, resulted from Brewerís lack of name recognition. The headline, though, is Sarah Palinís dead heat with the President:

With his approval numbers hitting new lows itís no surprise that Barack Obamaís numbers in our monthly look ahead to the 2012 Presidential race are their worst ever this month. He trails Mitt Romney 46-43, Mike Huckabee 47-45, Newt Gingrich 46-45, and is even tied with Sarah Palin at 46. The only person tested he leads is Jan Brewer, who doesnít have particularly high name recognition on the national level at this point.
Itís not that any of the Republican candidates are particularly well liked. Only Huckabee has positive favorability numbers at 37/28. Romneyís at 32/33, Gingrich at 32/42, Palin at 37/52, and Brewer at 17/20. But with a majority of Americans now disapproving of Obama itís no surprise that a large chunk of them would replace him as President if they had that choice today.
There are two things driving these strong poll numbers for the Republican candidates. The first is a lead with independents in every match up. Romney leads 48-35 with them, Gingrich is up 50-39, Huckabee has a 46-40 advantage, Palinís up 47-42, and even Brewer has a 38-37 edge.

In case one wonders whether PPPís sample is to blame, the partisan split favors Democrats by five points, 39/34. Thatís probably overstating the actual size of the gap and the percentage of Democrats in the general population, which means that the independents got short shrift as well. Also note that this poll surveyed registered voters, not likely voters ó a sampling technique that would tend to favor Democrats and Obama a little more.
The news is almost uniformly bad for Obama in the poll. His approval rating is now seriously underwater at 45/52. That gets even worse among independents, 40/56. He doesnít get above 46% in any matchup with Republicans, not even Jan Brewer, whom he beats 44/36, with 20% undecided.
For Palin, the numbers show she can play against Obama. She pulls 8% of those who voted for Obama in 2008 and 35% of those who ďdonít rememberĒ (?!?), which puts her on par for outreach with Gingrich (9%, 40%), Romney (9%, 32%), and slightly better than Huckabee (6%, 32%). If thatís not vindication for those who argued that Palin couldnít do as well with unaffiliated voters, itís cetainly something close to it.
Update: There seems to be some confusion in the comments over the number of people who claimed not to remember how they voted in 2008. That was 9% of the respondents in the survey (combined with those who voted third party). Since Obama won the 2008 popular vote by seven points (53/46) and this Dem +5 poll shows only 46% of respondents acknowledging their vote for Obama, Iíd say itís a healthy probability that most of that 9% voted for Obama and donít want to acknowledge it now. Of that 9%, Palin wins 35%, Gingrich wins 40%, and so on.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/15/ppp-obama-palin-tied-4646-in-2012-polling/

Chocolate Hog
07-15-2010, 01:56 PM
If Sarah Palin becomes president we'll know this country is finished.

petegz28
07-15-2010, 01:58 PM
If Sarah Palin becomes president we'll know this country is finished.

If the choice somehow came down to her and Obama I would vote for her. We have seen what Obama does for this country. The next idiot might get lucky.

ClevelandBronco
07-15-2010, 01:58 PM
At the risk of sounding as crazy as...oh, say Michael Savage or somebody, don't you think that left leaning pollsters might have a reason to start talking up Ms. Palin?

petegz28
07-15-2010, 01:59 PM
At the risk of sounding as crazy as...oh, say Michael Savage or somebody, don't you think that left leaning pollsters might have a reason to start talking up Ms. Palin?

This is true. They are trying to scare their base into voting and such. Good point.

Chocolate Hog
07-15-2010, 02:00 PM
If the choice somehow came down to her and Obama I would vote for her. We have seen what Obama does for this country. The next idiot might get lucky.

I would hope there would be a nationwide riot if those are the 2 choices.

petegz28
07-15-2010, 02:11 PM
I would hope there would be a nationwide riot if those are the 2 choices.

If I'm gonna get fucked, I'd rather get fucked by a hottie.

Garcia Bronco
07-15-2010, 02:24 PM
If these are my choices then I'll be really disappointed.

notorious
07-15-2010, 02:26 PM
JFC


Reminds me of the Southpark episode when they had the debate between a "Douche" and a "Turd Sandwich".

Cave Johnson
07-15-2010, 02:40 PM
I'm a little torn by this. Part of me wants her to run, inevitably fail miserably, and rubberneck the fallout.

The other part of me is concerned the economy doesn't improve substantially by September 2012 and she actually gets elected. She'd make W look like an amalgam of a Rhodes Scholar and Nobel laureate.

kc rush
07-15-2010, 04:14 PM
Blah. I don't really like any of those choices, but I'd hold my nose and vote for any of them over Obama. I hope that someone like Paul Ryan decides to run.

Rain Man
07-15-2010, 04:16 PM
I think the bigger story is why only 92 Americans intend to vote.

DJ's left nut
07-15-2010, 04:18 PM
God help me.

This isn't really the best the Right can do, is it?

Fuck me. We really are screwed.

Amnorix
07-15-2010, 04:20 PM
Palin won't win the nomination. There's just no way she's the Republican candidate. And no way she wins if she somehow is the candidate.

PunkinDrublic
07-15-2010, 04:52 PM
Palin won't win the nomination. There's just no way she's the Republican candidate. And no way she wins if she somehow is the candidate.

I hope your wrong. I want the cons to think we are underestimating her like they underestimated Reagan. They forget that Reagan was a good speaker and had those years as a GE spokesman under his belt to be able to speak to his audience.

Pants
07-15-2010, 05:03 PM
Palin gets elected in November of 2012, the world ends on December 21. Sounds about right.

P.S. I know she won't be working in the office until January. :)

The Mad Crapper
07-15-2010, 06:02 PM
If Sarah Palin becomes president we'll know this country is finished.

Past tense? What I mean is, will the country be finished before or after she becomes president?

AndChiefs
07-15-2010, 06:40 PM
Sounds like another election I'd be holding myself out of.

Guru
07-15-2010, 06:42 PM
If Sarah Palin becomes president we'll know this country is finished.

Hell, I don't care who it is. I'll vote for just about anyone other than our current dipshit in chief.

The Mad Crapper
07-15-2010, 06:51 PM
Hell, I don't care who it is. I'll vote for just about anyone other than our current dipshit in chief.

Me too, even Ken Doll.

http://www.iaza.com/work/100716C/kendoll2277257108-iaza.jpg

Guru
07-15-2010, 07:09 PM
Me too, even Ken Doll.

http://www.iaza.com/work/100716C/kendoll2277257108-iaza.jpg

Ken doll would be a huge improvement.

BWillie
07-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Coming from a guy who is probably 75% republican, if you are wanting to vote for Sarah Palin you are a complete idiot. If the GOP can't find someone else instead of Palin, I'm going to cry.

WV
07-15-2010, 07:29 PM
Hell, I don't care who it is. I'll vote for just about anyone other than our current dipshit in chief.:clap:

I've never been inclined to vote a straight ticket, but your absolutely right and I can foresee myself voting straight Republican!

Someone commented how Palin will make GW look like a genius, IMO she won't have to....the dope in there now is doing a fine job as it is.

HerculesRockefell
07-15-2010, 07:58 PM
Don't expect any of those to be the R nominee when all is said and done.

Brewer? JFC. Still think it will be Daniels or Pawlenty, maybe Ryan will throw his name in the mix later on.

Pioli Zombie
07-15-2010, 08:06 PM
Yes. Yes. Democrats ARE scared of Sarah Palin. Why? Because we are afraid there are stupid fucking morons in this country who would actually elect the admiitedly hot,stupid,cunt,douchebag,idiot,fucking moron Palin President someday.

Bill Parcells
07-15-2010, 08:11 PM
Ken doll would be a huge improvement.

You're a racist

Bill Parcells
07-15-2010, 08:12 PM
Yes. Yes. Democrats ARE scared of Sarah Palin. Why? Because we are afraid there are stupid ****ing morons in this country who would actually elect the admiitedly hot,stupid,****,douchebag,idiot,****ing moron Palin President someday.

Do you get ass raped by a mop handle often? geez are you an angry farker..lol

Guru
07-15-2010, 08:18 PM
You're a racist

ROFL

Pioli Zombie
07-15-2010, 08:19 PM
Do you get ass raped by a mop handle often? geez are you an angry farker..lol
Why do you say that? Because Palins a douchebag. I see. Hating Obama equals good guy. Hating Palin equals angry guy. Got it.

Pioli Zombie
07-15-2010, 08:24 PM
Palin is that stupid lady from church that your mom couldn't stand because she would act like a nice lady when your family was new and then she started her backstapping shit until you didn't even want to go anymore.

Bill Parcells
07-15-2010, 08:33 PM
Why do you say that? Because Palins a douchebag. I see. Hating Obama equals good guy. Hating Palin equals angry guy. Got it.

I think Palin is a dumbass. I was talking about you ;) lol

Brock
07-15-2010, 08:44 PM
So far, Obama's been all hype and no substance, so I'm not too worried about who replaces him.

GoHuge
07-15-2010, 09:12 PM
I consider myself a middle-right leaning voter. Registered republican but I don't just go down the ballot picking everyone with a R next to their name.

The #1 reason Obama will be re-elected is the republicans don't have anyone worth a ****, just like the dems didn't in 04' when they threw up Kerry's dumb ass. I love John McCain and he's been my favorite politician right up until he picked "Facebook McDipshit" as his choice for VP. He had 100,000,000 people to choose from and he picked her? Tried to grab the Hillary sympathizers and IMO it's the reason he lost. Those of us that are fairly independent minded lost all respect for him when he picked his #2 to be Palin. Her interviews (disasters) sealed his fate. Too bad to because I think he would have been great (as he would have been in 00'), but given his age and her being a big titted bimbo (and doing nothing to prove she was anything more) people such as myself weren't taking a chance on her dumbass being left to run the joint.

I'm sorry but Obama hasn't done anything that is that bad to were any of these republicans are going to unseat him. Hell look at Bush in 04'. Iraq was already a disaster and he still won because the dems just stuck a lukewarm body up to run against him. Not only that but we will be out of Iraq and withdrawing combat troops from Afghanistan in the summer of 2011. Trust me the get the hell out of that shit hole date isn't based on military strategy. That is purely for political reasons as Obama will talk all about how he was able to end both the previous administration's wars. Just wait and see!! Oh and BTW the oil leak got stopped today and a year from now it will be an after thought in most people's minds. He'll pull it off whether we like it or not. Never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public. That and right now the GOP's only strategy is to sit back and say no to everything Obama does........hoping that given enough rope he'll eventually hang himself. Didn't happen to Bush in 04' and won't happen unless something Bushesque happens to Obama. Something like starting a war over horrible intelligence or the economy being even worse than it was when Bush got done with it. Obama's strategy and policies are going to all culminate and take effect in the early part of 2011. If there is enough feel good or the economy is well on it's way back there's no way he will lose.

People that are being polled right now are responding with pure emotion or emotion with a side of racism. I can't stand the racism talk and morons like Jesse Jackson always beating that drum, but with alot of people in this country racial fervor is alive and well. Just a fact and it plays a part in alot of people's minds. I heard a guy the other day say I'm surprised somebody hasn't killed that n****r yet. I think most of us could care less about the color of someone's skin, and are smart and educated enough to know it has nothing to do with the measure of a man, but there's plenty of it out there and that's all those morons see. Even with those clowns it won't be enough.

Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, Palin ROFL, Jan Brewer, and Bobby Jindal (the closest thing we've got to a black guy) are all within the 3% + or - built into every public poll. These are far from staggering numbers and none of these people have the star power to beat the incumbent who some still consider a "super cool dude" or "black Jesus." Wish I could jump on the "get the **** out" bandwagon, but regardless of what I/we might want to happen he is a two-term president. Just like when Clinton was in office and running for re-election I hated him with all my being, but who did we throw up against him? Our very own Bob Dole..........the Viagra guy :shake:. Sorry but history repeats itself in 2012. Flame away if you like! Just my $.02.

mlyonsd
07-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Palin is that stupid lady from church that your mom couldn't stand because she would act like a nice lady when your family was new and then she started her backstapping shit until you didn't even want to go anymore.
Obama is that smart talking used car salesman that never really accomplished much in life but talked enough people out of their wallets he became a fat cat.

notorious
07-15-2010, 09:42 PM
hot,stupid,****,douchebag,idiot,****ing moron Palin President someday.

Repost.



I made a thread about this the other day. :)

BWillie
07-15-2010, 10:00 PM
I see about a 0% chance that Obama doesn't get re-elected at this time. All of the young people who don't know shit about anything that voted for him still worship him like he's god.

Brainiac
07-16-2010, 12:14 AM
I would never choose to vote for Sarah Palin. However, I will vote against Obama no matter who is running against him. Even Sarah Palin.

Guru
07-16-2010, 12:17 AM
I would never choose to vote for Sarah Palin. However, I will vote against Obama no matter who is running against him. Even Sarah Palin.Pretty much what I said earlier. Can't say it enough.

GoHuge
07-16-2010, 09:27 AM
I would never choose to vote for Sarah Palin. However, I will vote against Obama no matter who is running against him. Even Sarah Palin.If it ended up being Palin (which it won't) I would have to just not vote. That way I've not played a part in either being in office.

When it comes down to the republican debates she will get owned just like she did against Biden. THat and don't think her abandoning her post as governor of Alaska for personal gain isn't going to haunt her. Also her resume no says "mayor of Wasila (sp) and two years as governor and resigned). Bitch doesn't have a chance and if she somehow did get the nomination I will renounce any and all affiliation with the Republican party.

CoMoChief
07-16-2010, 10:32 AM
Palin will not win repub nomination for president

The Mad Crapper
07-16-2010, 10:36 AM
Palin will not win repub nomination for president

the repugs can screw up a free lunch, but yeah, I agree with you, there is no way Palin makes it through the primaries.

chiefsnorth
07-16-2010, 10:59 AM
You have to remember, during primary season the media will tell us who they want the Republican nominee to be. Last time they were campaigning for McCain, and it worked.

The media will campaign for whomever they think gives their overlords in the Evecutive brach the best chance to scam another term through this mess. I expact Sarah will start getting treated a little better by them.

Remember how the media were so sympathetic to McCain, then after the nomination they turned on him instantly.

bandwagonjumper
07-16-2010, 01:41 PM
First its way too early for this kind of polls and second why would she run? She can earn much more working for Fox News without the pressure and scrutiny. If she were to win the USA wouldn't end. Politicians are vastly overrated in importance. Maybe the picking of supreme court justices may be important but even than liberal judges wait to retire until a democrat is in office and a conservative wait for a republican.

Silock
07-16-2010, 03:17 PM
FUCK PALIN. Geezus. FADE THE FUCK AWAY ALREADY.

Otter
07-16-2010, 03:37 PM
Palin won't win the nomination. There's just no way she's the Republican candidate. And no way she wins if she somehow is the candidate.

I highly doubt she's going to be the best choice or gets elected. But sheeple do tend to believe the talking picture box so who knows.

FishingRod
07-16-2010, 03:47 PM
I got tired of voting against people a couple of elections ago and vote for the candidate that best matched my beliefs. (See not Republican or Democrat. ) Sadly it really has not left me feeling any better than when I was picking the slightly less crappy of the two major candidates.

Question...
If God dropped acid, would he see people?

Chocolate Hog
07-16-2010, 04:10 PM
I would never choose to vote for Sarah Palin. However, I will vote against Obama no matter who is running against him. Even Sarah Palin.

Perfect example of why were in a mess.