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jbwm89
07-21-2010, 02:59 PM
Anyone who want to participate in a Fantasy Football league with a buy in of $50-$100. We can determine how much once we get enough people together, possibly by a vote. We can do yahoo, espn or whatever is the majority consensus. Something like leaguesafe wouldn't be a bad way to keep the money secure.

If your interested please post how much you would like the buy in to be, the site preferred and whatever else you want and I will get it set up.

Bane
07-21-2010, 03:00 PM
Nope.Maybe for $500-$1000 I'd be in.

BigCatDaddy
07-21-2010, 03:03 PM
I'm in for $100 and ESPN.

Nzoner
07-21-2010, 03:04 PM
Good luck with this.

Seeing you're from St Joe we may have an opening in our $150 league with live draft in my gameroom etc.You interested if the spot opens?

jbwm89
07-21-2010, 03:20 PM
Good luck with this.

Seeing you're from St Joe we may have an opening in our $150 league with live draft in my gameroom etc.You interested if the spot opens?

Yeah depends on when it is though I might be in Columbia

Nzoner
07-21-2010, 03:30 PM
Yeah depends on when it is though I might be in Columbia

Usually the Friday of Labor Day weekend

wutamess
07-21-2010, 03:36 PM
$100+ CBS. It's the bestest

Nzoner
07-21-2010, 03:43 PM
$100+ CBS. It's the bestest

CBS has gotten ridiculously expensive,one of our leagues dropped them this year.

BigCatDaddy
07-21-2010, 03:54 PM
Good luck with this.

Seeing you're from St Joe we may have an opening in our $150 league with live draft in my gameroom etc.You interested if the spot opens?

Your house or you own a bar, broski?

Nzoner
07-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Your house or you own a bar, broski?

And yet another St Joe CP'er who has not been to the gameroom.

Just busting your balls,it's in my house and there's pics all over this place.

MahiMike
07-21-2010, 04:32 PM
Is this still on? I'm looking for a new league. I would suggest posting the rules ASAP for the seasoned vets to see if they want to enter.

hint: No I/R allowed...

farmerchief
07-21-2010, 05:09 PM
I would be interested in another $100 league, depending on the rules....

Short Leash Hootie
07-21-2010, 05:16 PM
It would have to be a PPR league with NO IDP and perhaps a 2 starting QB league for me to consider...

I don't like spending $100+ on standard, non-interesting leagues.

doomy3
07-21-2010, 05:59 PM
I'd be in for a $100 league...

blazzin311
07-21-2010, 07:06 PM
I'd be in for a $100 league...

Me too. Count me in. Did it last year on rtsports.com for $100 buy-in. Was my first time doing a pay league and hell I came in 3rd in a 10 team league. Not bad for always doing free leagues prior to that. Plus the money on the line makes it so much more interesting. Decide on a site and let me know. Thanks.

RedNFeisty
07-21-2010, 08:06 PM
Maybe

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 07:31 AM
Is there anyone who would be interested in being commish on this? I've done a lot of leagues but never any for more than $20 bucks. I don't really have a preference on scoring or site.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 07:55 AM
I would, but I've never done it before. Let's start getting a list of people that are sure things in the OP.

Otter
07-22-2010, 08:03 AM
Good luck with this.

Seeing you're from St Joe we may have an opening in our $150 league with live draft in my gameroom etc.You interested if the spot opens?

If Nzoner could verify I'm not sending my money Zahigy "you've inherited a large sum of money" Bigaboo I'm in. Gambling isn't any fun unless there's money.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 08:05 AM
I'll volunteer to commish this one too if no one else wants to.

wutamess
07-22-2010, 08:08 AM
Is there anyone who would be interested in being commish on this? I've done a lot of leagues but never any for more than $20 bucks. I don't really have a preference on scoring or site.

Time to step your game up son... Commissioner for a $20 league is no different than a $100 league.

We have a $ league I've been in for about 4 years that the winner is the next years commissioner. I've been the the commissioner year before last and again this year. I hate being THAT GUY! Makes you want to throw the championship game just to not be THAT GUY!

I suggest live drafting for the locals at a bar... Buffalo Wild Wings has a FFL draft deal where they throw in a bunch of shit.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 08:21 AM
Time to step your game up son... Commissioner for a $20 league is no different than a $100 league.

We have a $ league I've been in for about 4 years that the winner is the next years commissioner. I've been the the commissioner year before last and again this year. I hate being THAT GUY! Makes you want to throw the championship game just to not be THAT GUY!

I suggest live drafting for the locals at a bar... Buffalo Wild Wings has a FFL draft deal where they throw in a bunch of shit.

It is not as much that I can't do it. I just have another league to run and I don't want to let down the fine people of the planet when so much money is on the line. Doomy if you want to it is all yours, otherwise I can do it.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 08:24 AM
It is not as much that I can't do it. I just have another league to run and I don't want to let down the fine people of the planet when so much money is on the line. Doomy if you want to it is all yours, otherwise I can do it.

Yeah, I'll run this one. In the next day or so, I'll put a list together of who has shown interest in this thread and we'll go from there. This will be a $100 league.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 08:30 AM
you doing IDPs in this one?

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 08:30 AM
Yeah, I'll run this one. In the next day or so, I'll put a list together of who has shown interest in this thread and we'll go from there. This will be a $100 league.

Sounds good. I'm in, how are you planning on handling the money?

wutamess
07-22-2010, 08:37 AM
No IDP's please. No 2 QB's please.
More Wr's maybe a flex please.

Points per receptions please.
5+ bonus for 100 yard RB's and 100 yard Receivers please.
5+ bonus for QB's over 300 yards please.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 08:37 AM
No IDP's please. No 2 QB's please.
More Wr's maybe a flex please.

Agreed, and no ppr please.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 08:38 AM
No 2 QB's please.
I would think that would be a given

wutamess
07-22-2010, 08:51 AM
I would think that would be a given

Someone requested it earlier in the thread.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 08:56 AM
NObody pays attention to Hootie though do they? :)

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 09:02 AM
No IDP's please. No 2 QB's please.
More Wr's maybe a flex please.

Points per receptions please.
5+ bonus for 100 yard RB's and 100 yard Receivers please.
5+ bonus for QB's over 300 yards please.

I like this.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 09:07 AM
No IDP's please. No 2 QB's please.
More Wr's maybe a flex please.

Points per receptions please.
5+ bonus for 100 yard RB's and 100 yard Receivers please.
5+ bonus for QB's over 300 yards please.

I guess I could live with Points per reception. Sounds good to me.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 09:14 AM
Will throwing TD's be valued the same as rushing and receiving TD's?

wutamess
07-22-2010, 09:20 AM
NObody pays attention to Hootie though do they? :)

So The Meat Dragon is Hootie? :doh!:

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:36 AM
you doing IDPs in this one?

No

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:38 AM
Sounds good. I'm in, how are you planning on handling the money?

I have a paypal account set up for only fantasy leagues. This is what I've always done.

People will either have the option of sending $103.50 via paypal or sending a check via snail mail.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:39 AM
Will throwing TD's be valued the same as rushing and receiving TD's?

I typically like leagues with 3 point throwing TDs and 6 point rushing/receiving TDs, but am open either way.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:40 AM
No IDP's please. No 2 QB's please.
More Wr's maybe a flex please.

Points per receptions please.
5+ bonus for 100 yard RB's and 100 yard Receivers please.
5+ bonus for QB's over 300 yards please.

Looks good.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 09:40 AM
Would prefer 6 points per all TDs, but could live with 4 for QBs

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:40 AM
Any preference on site people want this hosted on? ESPN? Yahoo? CBS Paid or Free League?

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 09:44 AM
Any preference on site people want this hosted on? ESPN? Yahoo? CBS Paid or Free League?

I like yahoo better than Espn but I don't care to much either way.

Reerun_KC
07-22-2010, 09:44 AM
NObody pays attention to Hootie though do they? :)

who?

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 09:44 AM
ESPN

Param
07-22-2010, 10:16 AM
How would you pay? Paypal?

doomy3
07-22-2010, 10:18 AM
How would you pay? Paypal?

Yes. Paypal or a check in the mail would also be fine.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 10:59 AM
Yes. Paypal or a check in the mail would also be fine.

I'm in for sure. I would start collecting paypal asap so we can get things rolling.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 11:01 AM
I'm in for sure. I would start collecting paypal asap so we can get things rolling.

I will. I'm slammed at work today, but will try to start getting this all rolling tomorrow.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 11:09 AM
I will. I'm slammed at work today, but will try to start getting this all rolling tomorrow.

Okay, shoot me an PM with paypal info when you have a chance.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 11:12 AM
Okay, shoot me an PM with paypal info when you have a chance.

same here

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 11:13 AM
I will. I'm slammed at work today, but will try to start getting this all rolling tomorrow.

You want me to set it up? I'm sitting here not doing a damned thing.
I can set you up with LM powers and you can switch any settings you don't like.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 11:14 AM
I will. I'm slammed at work today, but will try to start getting this all rolling tomorrow.

Of course since I live in the 90s, I'll need an address to send a check to though.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 11:24 AM
I can check with a few other guys that might get in, but they are from Utah. Will this be a live online draft? That's what I prefer.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 11:28 AM
I can check with a few other guys that might get in, but they are from Utah. Will this be a live online draft? That's what I prefer.

Assume so, the one last year was.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 11:30 AM
MahiMike expressed some interest in the other thread

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 11:43 AM
FUCK NO to Paypal...

why wouldn't we just do LeagueSafe.com?

You don't have to pay that bullshit $3.50 service charge...

Also...

you guys are pussies for not wanting to do a 2 QB league...those are true strategic leagues...

I say...

6 points for any TD...

3 points for a TD over 40 yards...
3 points for a TD over 50 yards...

(so if you have Leinart and Fitzy and they hook up for a 51 yard TD pass/reception...you get the yards plus the 6 points per TD plus 12 bonus points for it being a HUGE TD)...

PPR

RB's 1 point per 5 rushes
QB's 1 point per 10 completions

5 points for 100+ yards rushing or receiving
5 points for 300+ yards passing

(those are both bonuses of course)

5 MORE points for 200+ yards rushing or receiving
5 MORE points for 400+ yards passing

-2 for INT's and fumbles

WR's 5 points for 10+ receptions

defenses CANNOT SCORE negative points

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 11:48 AM
FUCK NO to Paypal...

why wouldn't we just do LeagueSafe.com?

then just send him a damned check....is it that difficult?

and HELL NO to 2 QBs, distance bonuses, points per carry, points per 10+ receptions

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 11:49 AM
I agree with the leaguesafe part we are using it for the fantasy baseball league and there have been problems with it so far.

I am impartial about 2 quarterback leagues, makes no difference to me.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 11:58 AM
**** NO to Paypal...

why wouldn't we just do LeagueSafe.com?

You don't have to pay that bullshit $3.50 service charge...

Also...

you guys are pussies for not wanting to do a 2 QB league...those are true strategic leagues...

I say...

6 points for any TD...

3 points for a TD over 40 yards...
3 points for a TD over 50 yards...

(so if you have Leinart and Fitzy and they hook up for a 51 yard TD pass/reception...you get the yards plus the 6 points per TD plus 12 bonus points for it being a HUGE TD)...

PPR

RB's 1 point per 5 rushes
QB's 1 point per 10 completions

5 points for 100+ yards rushing or receiving
5 points for 300+ yards passing

(those are both bonuses of course)

5 MORE points for 200+ yards rushing or receiving
5 MORE points for 400+ yards passing

-2 for INT's and fumbles

WR's 5 points for 10+ receptions

defenses CANNOT SCORE negative points


I have no idea why you care anyway. Last year, after you had commited to playing in the money league on here, you went AWOL and didn't pay, couldn't be reached, etc.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 12:09 PM
**** NO to Paypal...

why wouldn't we just do LeagueSafe.com?

You don't have to pay that bullshit $3.50 service charge...

Also...

you guys are pussies for not wanting to do a 2 QB league...those are true strategic leagues...

I say...

6 points for any TD...

3 points for a TD over 40 yards...
3 points for a TD over 50 yards...

(so if you have Leinart and Fitzy and they hook up for a 51 yard TD pass/reception...you get the yards plus the 6 points per TD plus 12 bonus points for it being a HUGE TD)...

PPR

RB's 1 point per 5 rushes
QB's 1 point per 10 completions

5 points for 100+ yards rushing or receiving
5 points for 300+ yards passing

(those are both bonuses of course)

5 MORE points for 200+ yards rushing or receiving
5 MORE points for 400+ yards passing

-2 for INT's and fumbles

WR's 5 points for 10+ receptions

defenses CANNOT SCORE negative points


If you send money as a "gift" through paypal it should be free.

wutamess
07-22-2010, 12:17 PM
No 2 QB's...
Starters:
1 QB
2 RBs
4 WRs/TE
1 DST
1 K
Bench: 4-5 players

.1 pt every 1 pyds
1 pt for every reception
.1pt for every rushing/receptionyds
1 pt for every 4-5 carries
5pts every 100 passing yds > 200
5pts every 100 rushing yards
3pts < 40 yfgs
4pts 40yfgs
5pts 50yfgs
6pts ALL TDs (DST included)
1pt sack
2pts int
-2pts int
2 pts fumble recovery
-2pts lost fumble

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 12:21 PM
Roster
QB
2RB
2WR
1 RB/WR
TE
K
D/ST


Passing
Every 5 passing yards (PY5) 0.2 TD Pass (PTD) 6
Interceptions Thrown (INT) -2 2pt Passing Conversion (2PC) 2
300-399 yard passing game (P300) 2 400+ yard passing game (P400) 4

Rushing
Rushing Yards (RY) 0.1 TD Rush (RTD) 6
2pt Rushing Conversion (2PR) 2 100-199 yard rushing game (RY100) 2
200+ yard rushing game (RY200) 4

Receiving
Receiving Yards (REY) 0.1 TD Reception (RETD) 6
2pt Receiving Conversion (2PRE) 2 100-199 yard receiving game (REY100) 2
200+ yard receiving game (REY200) 4

Miscellaneous Total Fumbles Lost (FUML) -2

Kicking
Each PAT Made (PAT) 1 Each PAT Missed (PATM) -1
FG Made (0-39 yards) (FG0) 3 FG Made (40-49 yards) (FG40) 3
FG Made (50+ yards) (FG50) 5 FG Missed (0-39 yards) (FGM0) -1
FG Missed (40-49 yards) (FGM40) -1 FG Missed (50+ yards) (FGM50) -1

Team Defense / Special Teams Each
Sack (SK) 1 Interception Return TD (INTTD) 6
Fumble Return TD (FRTD) 6 Kickoff Return TD (KRTD) 6
Punt Return TD (PRTD) 6 Blocked Punt or FG return for TD (BLKKRTD) 6
Each Interception (INT) 2 Each Fumble Recovered (FR) 2
Each Safety (SF) 2 0 points allowed (PA0) 10
1-6 points allowed (PA1) 7 7-13 points allowed (PA7) 5
14-17 points allowed (PA14) 3 18-21 points allowed (PA18) 1
22-27 points allowed (PA22) -1 28-34 points allowed (PA28) -5
35-45 points allowed (PA35) -7 46+ points allowed (PA46) -10

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 12:32 PM
No 2 QB's...
Starters:
1 QB
2 RBs
4 WRs/TE
1 DST
1 K
Bench: 4-5 players

1 pt for every reception
1 pt for every 4-5 carries
5pts every 100 passing yds > 200
5pts every 100 rushing yards
3pts < 40 yfgs
4pts 40yfgs
5pts 50yfgs
6pts ALL TDs (DST included)
1pt sack
2pts int
-2pts int
2 pts fumble recovery
-2pts lost fumble

I don't like the PTS for rushing attempts. Everything else looks good.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 01:04 PM
10 or 12 Teams?

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:09 PM
I have no idea why you care anyway. Last year, after you had commited to playing in the money league on here, you went AWOL and didn't pay, couldn't be reached, etc.

first off...I was like the first to pay for our FLB league...

secondly...

I TOLD YOU I WAS MOVING THAT WEEK AND HAD NO INTERNET...

I literally had no access to the computer for 10 days...except for sporadic Panera Bread Co. visits with my laptop...

That's not an issue this year asshole.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:11 PM
then just send him a damned check....is it that difficult?

and HELL NO to 2 QBs, distance bonuses, points per carry, points per 10+ receptions

have you ever even tried a league like that? ROFL

It gives TRUE value to outstanding performances/outstanding plays...

but I guess you think a 1 yard gimme rushing TD should be valued more than a remarkable, twice a season 50+ yard receiving/rushing TD...

Crawl out of that hole!

Traditional scoring FFL leagues are so 1999...

but you have fun with those lottery leagues and scoff at the leagues I play in that actually take strategy and skill.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:13 PM
I have no idea why you care anyway. Last year, after you had commited to playing in the money league on here, you went AWOL and didn't pay, couldn't be reached, etc.

aren't you the asshole that didn't pay in our FLB league this year anyways ROFL

yeah hahahahahahahaha ROFL

even ari paid (albeit the $10 late fee as well)...

but come on dude

pot
kettle

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:14 PM
I have no idea why you care anyway. Last year, after you had commited to playing in the money league on here, you went AWOL and didn't pay, couldn't be reached, etc.

and ANOTHER thing

excuse me for my lack of urgency in a $25 NOOB league that uses IDP...

IDP is the dumbest fucking FFL format out there

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:15 PM
No 2 QB's...
Starters:
1 QB
2 RBs
4 WRs/TE
1 DST
1 K
Bench: 4-5 players

.1 pt every 1 pyds
1 pt for every reception
.1pt for every rushing/receptionyds
1 pt for every 4-5 carries
5pts every 100 passing yds > 200
5pts every 100 rushing yards
3pts < 40 yfgs
4pts 40yfgs
5pts 50yfgs
6pts ALL TDs (DST included)
1pt sack
2pts int
-2pts int
2 pts fumble recovery
-2pts lost fumble

this is dumb fucking yahoo bullshit

count me out of a lame league like this...

I can't believe no one would want to play in the format I suggested...

those are EASILY the best and most entertaining leagues

Cave Johnson
07-22-2010, 01:16 PM
Pssssssssssst..... I hear McNair in the 4th is a STEAL.

http://deadspin.com/5593697/a-fantasy-football-screwjob-we-can-all-enjoy

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 01:32 PM
have you ever even tried a league like that? ROFL

It gives TRUE value to outstanding performances/outstanding plays...

but I guess you think a 1 yard gimme rushing TD should be valued more than a remarkable, twice a season 50+ yard receiving/rushing TD...

but you have fun with those lottery leagues and scoff at the leagues I play in that actually take strategy and skill.

I've played in leagues with numerous different rules from 8 to 32 teams.
with shit as crazy as 1pt per passing attempt
no trade leagues like WCOFF (though I admittedly haven't done WCOFF since they raised the entry fee from $1000)
auction, keeper, dynasty, salary cap....I've pretty much done them all


and "twice a season 50+ yard receiving TD's" define "lottery league"

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:33 PM
no it doesn't...

if you're Chris Johnson and you're running for 80 yard TD's...

you deserve bonus points for TD's like that...

that's TRUE value of a player in an FFL league if you ask me

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 01:34 PM
OK, I respect your right to your opinion, we'll just have to disagree on that.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:37 PM
Here is my proposal minus defense (we can hammer out the defensive scoring later on)...

Starters:

QB
RB
RB
WR
WR
WR/TE
TE
OP (QB, RB, WR or TE)
K
DEF

Passing: 1 point per 25 yards passing; 1 point per 10 completions; 6 points per TD; 5 points for 300+ yards passing; 5 points for 400+ yards passing

Rushing: 1 point per 10 yards rushing; 1 point per 5 carries; PPR; 6 points per TD; 5 points for 100+ yards rushing; 5 points for 200+ yards rushing

Receiving: 1 point per 10 yards receiving; PPR; 8 points per TD; 5 points for 100+ yards receiving; 5 points for 200+ yards receiving

TD BONUSES: 3 POINTS FOR A 40+ YARD TD; 3 POINTS FOR A 50+ YARD TD

Kicking and Defense TBD

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:42 PM
OK, I respect your right to your opinion, we'll just have to disagree on that.

If I'm going to put up $100 for a team...I want the league to at least be intriguing...

a standard yahoo or ESPN league is not intriguing...it's boring

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 01:50 PM
Not trying to argue with you Hootie, though it may certainly seem like it.

On your scoring options, why not .1 per rushing or receiving yard (still equates to 1 per 10 but gives credit if a guy gains something that isn't a multiplier of 10 so that every yard counts) and passing points of .2 per 5 yards?

But in your above options I would take out either the WR/TE, TE, or OP slot or even two of them, but I've already said that I don't like the 2QB idea.
A team can run a wishbone with 3RB's, a 3WR set, or 2TE, but 2QBs (unless you're saying that's what the "wildcat" is) isn't done in real football.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 01:52 PM
But I will argue that it isn't rules that make a league "boring" it's the members thereof that make it worthwhile or not.
My main league though it has the most mundane settings is easily the most entertaining due to the activity of members (trading, trash talking, etc).

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 01:54 PM
I don't do decimal point leagues...I think they are stupid. I really do...

and fantasy football isn't real football...

2 QB leagues, IMO, are so much more interesting because you can literally stream QB's all year long in 1 QB leagues and it totally devalues the position...

OnTheWarpath58
07-22-2010, 01:56 PM
no it doesn't...

if you're Chris Johnson and you're running for 80 yard TD's...

you deserve bonus points for TD's like that...

that's TRUE value of a player in an FFL league if you ask me

I tend to agree with you here.

Exceptional plays should be rewarded as such. Not the same as a 1 yard TD up the center's ass.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 01:56 PM
Any real reason decimal point leagues are stupid? I'm not trying to be an ass, just wondering why you think that.
I think it makes more sense due to the whole idea that every yard counts and it also significantly decreases the possibility of tie games.

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 01:58 PM
If Nzoner could verify I'm not sending my money Zahigy "you've inherited a large sum of money" Bigaboo I'm in. Gambling isn't any fun unless there's money.

Huh,I have nothing to do with this,I was talking about our local league that has our draft in my gameroom.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:00 PM
my scoring proposal has the league so all positions are practically weighted equal...

RB's and WR's get a PPR
RB's get 1 point for every 5 carries
QB's get 1 point for every 10 completions
WR's get 2 extra points for a TD

It just makes the league A LOT MORE SKILL than a standard league where everyone drafts off the same cheat sheet...

you actually have to do your own research and make your own predictions and it feels like an actual accomplishment when you win the league or put together a great team

a 12 team league means you have to PREDICT the starting QB's...you know...the Tony Romo's of 2006 (or whatever year that was)...

I predicted he'd take over for Bledsoe...drafted skill positions first and took Drew Brees real late...followed by Romo in the last round...

had a team end up with Brees/Romo/LT and LJ (with Plaxico at WR) and it was a fucking juggernaut and I won over a grand...

It was awesome...

THOSE are the fun leagues...

not the 1 QB...15 starters are on waivers every week...traditional scoring leagues where you can do no research, get the luckiest, and win the league since everyone is drafting off the same value chart

Otter
07-22-2010, 02:01 PM
Huh,I have nothing to do with this,I was talking about our local league that has our draft in my gameroom.

You rat bastard!

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 02:01 PM
I don't do decimal point leagues...I think they are stupid. I really do...


Which is it,you argue about devaluing positions and then if a rb gets 53 yards you want to give him 5 pts instead of 5.3.Every yard should count for something.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 02:02 PM
I will use the quote function and try to address your posts all in one post. You may try that sometime.

first off...I was like the first to pay for our FLB league...

secondly...

I TOLD YOU I WAS MOVING THAT WEEK AND HAD NO INTERNET...

I literally had no access to the computer for 10 days...except for sporadic Panera Bread Co. visits with my laptop...

That's not an issue this year asshole.

No you didn't. And you were posting pretty regularly, but wouldn't return any of my PMs, check in on the thread, etc.

aren't you the asshole that didn't pay in our FLB league this year anyways ROFL

yeah hahahahahahahaha ROFL

even ari paid (albeit the $10 late fee as well)...

but come on dude

pot
kettle

I have asked the commish of that league several times for a paypal address and he hasn't given it to me yet. I will definitely be paying for that league, as I have for every league I've ever paid in. I just am trying to get the payment information.

and ANOTHER thing

excuse me for my lack of urgency in a $25 NOOB league that uses IDP...

IDP is the dumbest ****ing FFL format out there

You agreed to the format. And it doesn't matter if it is a $25 league or a $25000 league. You wanted to play in it and then wouldn't even reply to a PM or reply to posts in that thread.

And, no one even asked you to play in that league. It wasn't like someone was twisting your arm. You ASKED to play by posting in that thread.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:02 PM
Any real reason decimal point leagues are stupid? I'm not trying to be an ass, just wondering why you think that.
I think it makes more sense due to the whole idea that every yard counts and it also significantly decreases the possibility of tie games.

I just don't like it...

I don't like watching that MNF game and thinking...

ok...he can't score 4.2 points against me...

I like thinking...

ok I need him to rush for less than 50 yards or no TD...

shit like that

the whole decimal system...whoever introduced that (because it wasn't around when I started playing in 1998 on ESPN)...I don't like...

points should always be triggered by some sort of landmark...whether it's 10 yards, 25 yards, a TD, etc...

I don't think you should keep getting fractions of points for every single yard...it's too much

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 02:03 PM
You rat bastard!

rochambeau

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:05 PM
I will use the quote function and try to address your posts all in one post. You may try that sometime.



No you didn't. And you were posting pretty regularly, but wouldn't return any of my PMs, check in on the thread, etc.



I have asked the commish of that league several times for a paypal address and he hasn't given it to me yet. I will definitely be paying for that league, as I have for every league I've ever paid in. I just am trying to get the payment information.



You agreed to the format. And it doesn't matter if it is a $25 league or a $25000 league. You wanted to play in it and then wouldn't even reply to a PM or reply to posts in that thread.

And, no one even asked you to play in that league. It wasn't like someone was twisting your arm. You ASKED to play by posting in that thread.

and you assumed I wouldn't pay before the season even started?

I was moving from Bloomington to Champaign...living in a temporary apartment for 10 days while I painted from 7 AM to 5 PM during turnover...

sorry if I didn't have time that week to paypal you $27.50 or whatever...It wasn't my primary worry that week and I really didn't give two shits about responding to PM's for a $25 IDP league...I pay when I pay...no league I've ever been in has a strict deadline before the draft...

and you had an entire month to put the $25 (no service charge like paypal) AFTER THE DRAFT on leaguesafe.com and you were the ONLY 1 OF 10 that didn't...

so please

again

pot
kettle

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Which is it,you argue about devaluing positions and then if a rb gets 53 yards you want to give him 5 pts instead of 5.3.Every yard should count for something.

whoever introduced the decimal trend...ugh

I just don't like it...

I mean...

if that's what it will take for everyone to agree with my proposal...then I suppose fractional points will do...

I just don't like adding up my points at a sports bar while I'm watching football and being like..

ok Fitzy got me 18.3 and LT got me 11.4 and Favre got me 22.9...

Jesus.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 02:08 PM
Not trying to argue with you Hootie, though it may certainly seem like it.

On your scoring options, why not .1 per rushing or receiving yard (still equates to 1 per 10 but gives credit if a guy gains something that isn't a multiplier of 10 so that every yard counts) and passing points of .2 per 5 yards?

Agreed, you have got to do the .1 or .2 per yard instead of by 10. Other than that I'll be happy however we do it.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:09 PM
Just think about it though...

in ESPN traditional (4 points for QB TD's, 6 points for other TD's)...

what position always goes for the first 30 picks?

RB's

that's lame

same with any 4 point QB TD league

my proposal has adjusted the values of positions and you could literally make an argument for taking any player from any positions (sans TE) 1st...

you think Andre Johnson is going to have 125/1700/19...that's #1 pick value...

you think Brady is going to throw 50 again? that's an EASY #1 pick

CJ goes all 2009 once again? easy #1 pick value

it makes everything SO MUCH more interesting when every position is on level playing ground

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:12 PM
well I suppose I can partake in one decimal point league...

I just wish more people would understand how important/more realistic 2 QB leagues are...

It makes guys like Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich, Matt Cassel, Matt Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Sam Bradford, etc. etc. etc. IMPORTANT...

it makes finding that QB sleeper a conquest, a must, a league changer...rather than having all of those guys on waivers all year

I think that's such a waste of a league...1 QB leagues should NOT exist

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 02:12 PM
well I suppose I can partake in one decimal point league...

I just wish more people would understand how important/more realistic 2 QB leagues are...

It makes guys like Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich, Matt Cassel, Matt Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Sam Bradford, etc. etc. etc. IMPORTANT...

it makes finding that QB sleeper a conquest, a must, a league changer...rather than having all of those guys on waivers all year

I think that's such a waste of a league...1 QB leagues should NOT exist

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 02:12 PM
whoever introduced the decimal trend...ugh

I just don't like it...

I mean...

if that's what it will take for everyone to agree with my proposal...then I suppose fractional points will do...

I just don't like adding up my points at a sports bar while I'm watching football and being like..

ok Fitzy got me 18.3 and LT got me 11.4 and Favre got me 22.9...

Jesus.

I've played decimals since the 90's and I've seen entire fantasy games decided by 1 yard.Say what you will but when MNF rolls around and I need 78 yards from my rb to win my game,it's a whole lot more interesting.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 02:13 PM
Just think about it though...

in ESPN traditional (4 points for QB TD's, 6 points for other TD's)...

what position always goes for the first 30 picks?

RB's

that's lame

same with any 4 point QB TD league

my proposal has adjusted the values of positions and you could literally make an argument for taking any player from any positions (sans TE) 1st...

you think Andre Johnson is going to have 125/1700/19...that's #1 pick value...

you think Brady is going to throw 50 again? that's an EASY #1 pick

CJ goes all 2009 once again? easy #1 pick value

it makes everything SO MUCH more interesting when every position is on level playing ground

I can see what your saying. I am comfortable doing that if everyone else is. I don't like using the intervals of 10 though. I just don't like that 99 yards rushing has the same value as 90.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 02:45 PM
It makes guys like Matt Ryan, Byron Leftwich, Matt Cassel, Matt Hasselbeck, Trent Edwards, Brian Brohm, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Sam Bradford, etc. etc. etc. IMPORTANT...

EXACTLY my argument AGAINST it.
In a 12 team 2 QB league every team pretty much has to have at least three QBs (two to play and one to cover bye weeks). While you can generally find someone to plug into a RB or WR slot that will get a carry/reception or two there are only 32 starting QBs.

OnTheWarpath58
07-22-2010, 02:52 PM
EXACTLY my argument AGAINST it.
In a 12 team 2 QB league every team pretty much has to have at least three QBs (two to play and one to cover bye weeks). While you can generally find someone to plug into a RB or WR slot that will get a carry/reception or two there are only 32 starting QBs.

Which is exactly Hootie's point.

It makes you actually think about draft strategy instead of just following the same cheatsheet everyone else has.

1-QB leagues really aren't much of a challenge, because everyone has a quality QB.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 02:53 PM
With your scoring system, 16 of the top 20 last year would have been QBs. Starting 2 makes them even moreso.

McNabb, Cutler, and ELI Manning would have outscored every RB other than C. Johnson
Campbell and Orton outscored Ray Rice and Andre Johnson

INSANITY

wutamess
07-22-2010, 02:57 PM
Why don't we just let him be out of the league and let him find his perfect 2 QB no decimal point league?

Why are we even wasting time on this one?
No offense Dragon, but we're all for it and you're the only nay.
Only reason I see to have you in the league is the excitement we'll get from beating your ass from time to time. The headaches though just isn't worth it.

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 03:01 PM
Shit want to make your league even more interesting,draft coaches like we do,if you're starting coach wins he gets 5 pts,you'd be surprised how many times that 5 points comes into play and also affects your draft strategy so you don't end up with a regular loser.

OnTheWarpath58
07-22-2010, 03:02 PM
Shit want to make your league even more interesting,draft coaches like we do,if you're starting coach wins he gets 5 pts,you'd be surprised how many times that 5 points comes into play and also affects your draft strategy so you don't end up with a regular loser.

Kind of a cool idea as well.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 03:30 PM
Why don't we just let him be out of the league and let him find his perfect 2 QB no decimal point league?

Why are we even wasting time on this one?
No offense Dragon, but we're all for it and you're the only nay.
Only reason I see to have you in the league is the excitement we'll get from beating your ass from time to time. The headaches though just isn't worth it.


Agreed. I don't want to be in a league with a bunch of drama filled bitching.

BigCatDaddy
07-22-2010, 03:32 PM
Shit want to make your league even more interesting,draft coaches like we do,if you're starting coach wins he gets 5 pts,you'd be surprised how many times that 5 points comes into play and also affects your draft strategy so you don't end up with a regular loser.

I like it. I didn't know you can set your league setup for that.

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 03:35 PM
I like it. I didn't know you can set your league setup for that.

ESPN has the option.
I've done it and it definitely changes a draft in the mid rounds. In one league we scored them like defenses with how many points they scored based on margin of victory or defeat....

Old Dog
07-22-2010, 03:40 PM
FWIW, I don't think arguing about things NOW is a bad idea. It's much better to come to some sort of agreement on settings and let everyone then decide if they want in or not.

Of course it's all a moot point when D3 sets it up with 100 points per pass attempt, 1 point per net punting yard, and 2 TEs mandatory with only 1 RB slot and says, "Accept it or GTFO".

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 03:55 PM
I like it. I didn't know you can set your league setup for that.

We use My Fantasy League.com and pay about $70,it's great and offers us all kinds of scoring options,post-season play-offs etc.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:24 PM
EXACTLY my argument AGAINST it.
In a 12 team 2 QB league every team pretty much has to have at least three QBs (two to play and one to cover bye weeks). While you can generally find someone to plug into a RB or WR slot that will get a carry/reception or two there are only 32 starting QBs.

which is why it's not "technically" a 2 QB league...

you only HAVE to start 1 QB...the other being an OP (QB, RB, WR, TE)

these are the best, most competitive, most strategic, LEAST lottery fantasy football leagues out there...and everyone knows FFL requires a lot of luck

but hey...if you guys like your luck factor leagues, then so be it

just trying to show you a little REAL FFL

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:24 PM
We use My Fantasy League.com and pay about $70,it's great and offers us all kinds of scoring options,post-season play-offs etc.

I use that for one league...

I have a hard time doing that league every year because of the cost for the service...

ESPN is now FULLY customizable (JUST LIKE myfantasyleague.com) and you don't have to pay for the service

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:26 PM
Why don't we just let him be out of the league and let him find his perfect 2 QB no decimal point league?

Why are we even wasting time on this one?
No offense Dragon, but we're all for it and you're the only nay.
Only reason I see to have you in the league is the excitement we'll get from beating your ass from time to time. The headaches though just isn't worth it.

hey that's fine but in our FLB league I was the one trying to CALM DOWN the drama because of a few owners throwing a shit fit from this site

but you're right...

I'm just a huge whiner...

I'm just trying to point out what league is the most competitive, most fun, and most bang for your buck...

I'm always interested in $100+ FFL leagues...but I'm only going to sign up if it's the RIGHT league...

1 QB leagues are never the RIGHT league...it totally devalues an entire position...and an important position at that.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:29 PM
With your scoring system, 16 of the top 20 last year would have been QBs. Starting 2 makes them even moreso.

McNabb, Cutler, and ELI Manning would have outscored every RB other than C. Johnson
Campbell and Orton outscored Ray Rice and Andre Johnson

INSANITY

I don't think this is true...

I don't think you're adding in the 1 PPR, the 1 point per 5 carries...or the 8 points for a WR TD...or the bonus points...

I would check but our league manager hasn't re-upped our league from last year so I can't get the engine going...

I might have to devalue QB's a little bit by throwing out the 1 point per 10 completions...

but I'm almost CERTAIN you are wrong in this regard

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:37 PM
just did a quick check on that theory...

Rivers: 374 points
Andre Johnson: 391 points

so you're off...

every position is weighted equally...

and of course Brees and Chris Johnson are going to be ahead of the field...

and of course you're going to WANT to start 2 QB's...

but you don't have to...and in all honesty...if the NFL returned to a system where the majority of the teams relied on 1 featured RB...this would be a RB league every bit as much of a QB league...

I'll go tally up Ray Rice's points real quick with this system.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:40 PM
Ray Rice scored 420 points using my scoring format...

farmerchief
07-22-2010, 04:41 PM
For what its worth, I like 1 QB leagues. Have participated in 2 QB leagues, didnt like it, and won't participate in one with 2 QB's again.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:43 PM
Drew Brees approx. 456

(P.S. I tweaked the QB yards from 25 to 30...I forgot that's what we did last year)

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:45 PM
For what its worth, I like 1 QB leagues. Have participated in 2 QB leagues, didnt like it, and won't participate in one with 2 QB's again.

why?

because you didn't fare well?

because you didn't understand how to play it?

there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL...

there will be 10 or 12 teams...

In 1 QB leagues...that means a lot of teams can draft 1 QB and stream their byes with SEVERAL quality QB's on the waiver wire...

that's a watered down, lack of skill league

so if that's what you like, then I guess that's what you like

and it's not technically a "2 QB" league...it's a flex position with the ability to use a 2nd QB as a flex player...

and the way I've scored the league...QB's/RB's/WR's and some TE's are built as equals...

the only reason people prefer to use QB's in the OP is because QB's are almost always consistent.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:50 PM
1 QB Traditional Leagues top 25 average picks: 13 RBs; 8 WRs; 4 QBs

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2106/espnavg.jpg

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:51 PM
36 RB's go before the 10th QB...

that's just so ridiculous and LOTTERY FFL...

that's all it is

who's going to get luckiest?

why don't we think outside the box and compete in a REAL league.

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:52 PM
Shonn Greene, Ryan Grant and Rashard Mendenhall, to name a few, get drafted before PEYTON MANNING and TOM BRADY...

that's just a dumb, dumb, dumb, SUPER FLAWED league format

Short Leash Hootie
07-22-2010, 04:55 PM
now I realize I'm SO HARD TO AGREE WITH because I make it that way...

so just read the content of my last 15 posts...

if you take a deep breath and REALLY think about it...you'll realize what I realized about 4 years ago...

Traditional, 1 QB leagues are severely flawed and watered down...and it turns into lottery FFL...

I go as far as to illegal rosters...

as in...

You must have 4 QBs/ 5 RBs/ 6 WRs/ 2 TEs / 2 Ks and 2 DEFs at all times

MahiMike
07-22-2010, 05:50 PM
We need a commissioner to post the rules 1st. Then we can decide to join.

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:07 PM
OK, here's what I set up. We can tweak things if we come to a consensus on anything. I'm not going to make this into some kind of drama though, so if you don't want in the league, that's no sweat at all.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2vwxv68.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2i07z1v.jpg

doomy3
07-22-2010, 09:08 PM
If you guys want, I'll start a new thread with this in the thread starter and a list of people in the league.

jbwm89
07-22-2010, 10:08 PM
If you guys want, I'll start a new thread with this in the thread starter and a list of people in the league.

Probably a good idea, and I am fine with that scoring system.

Nzoner
07-22-2010, 11:23 PM
why?

because you didn't fare well?

because you didn't understand how to play it?

there are 32 starting QB's in the NFL...

there will be 10 or 12 teams...

In 1 QB leagues...that means a lot of teams can draft 1 QB and stream their byes with SEVERAL quality QB's on the waiver wire...

that's a watered down, lack of skill league

so if that's what you like, then I guess that's what you like

and it's not technically a "2 QB" league...it's a flex position with the ability to use a 2nd QB as a flex player...

and the way I've scored the league...QB's/RB's/WR's and some TE's are built as equals...

the only reason people prefer to use QB's in the OP is because QB's are almost always consistent.

We have a 12 man league that has set rules on how many players you must carry the musts are 2 qb's 4 rb's 6 wr's 2 te's 2 k's 2 def's 2 coaches and you get 1 what we call extra player that can be any position but all starting line-ups must consist of 1 qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 te 1k 1def 1 coach.

I guess I was misunderstanding your 2 qb argument,we have to draft at least 2 and start 1 and with the other positions also set in musts it makes for a VERY competitive league.I refuse to ever play in any of these free yahoo etc. leagues again because it's bullshit when the waiver wire is chocked full of good players.