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thurman merman
07-25-2010, 04:48 PM
Jamaal Charles is ranked 14th out of 15 running backs. Only Knowshon Moreno is ranked lower. It is clear that a lot of people have not watched Charles play yet. Help him out!

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343

BossChief
07-25-2010, 04:52 PM
Id rather he stay underrated.

It will hurt more for opposing defenses that way.

'Hamas' Jenkins
07-25-2010, 04:55 PM
The last thing any running back, or boxer, ever needs to think is that they've gotten there.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Id rather he stay underrated.

It will hurt more for opposing defenses that way.

I'm pretty sure opposing defenses know more about him than ESPN website visitors.

milkman
07-25-2010, 04:56 PM
What Charles did in the second half of last season was exciting and gives one hope that we have a stud.

I was pretty happy with the pick when it was made and felt that he had the potential to be an outstanding RB in the NFL.

That being said, it was only a half season and until he shows that he can be that kind of player over time, that ranking isn't really out of line.

'Hamas' Jenkins
07-25-2010, 04:58 PM
1.Adrian Peterson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
2.Chris Johnson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
3.Steven Jackson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
4.Maurice Jones-Drew (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
5.Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
6.Frank Gore (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
7.DeAngelo Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
8.Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
9.Michael Turner (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
10.Jonathan Stewart (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
11.Cedric Benson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
12.Rashard Mendenhall (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
13.Ryan Grant (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
14.Ricky Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
15.Knowshon Moreno (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)



That's how I rated them, although, there's no way that I would have Williams, Moreno, or Grant in the top 15.<!--begin submit button-->
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DeezNutz
07-25-2010, 05:03 PM
1.Adrian Peterson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
2.Chris Johnson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
3.Steven Jackson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
4.Maurice Jones-Drew (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
5.Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
6.Frank Gore (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
7.DeAngelo Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
8.Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
9.Michael Turner (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
10.Jonathan Stewart (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
11.Cedric Benson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
12.Rashard Mendenhall (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
13.Ryan Grant (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
14.Ricky Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
15.Knowshon Moreno (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)



That's how I rated them, although, there's no way that I would have Williams, Moreno, or Grant in the top 15.<!--begin submit button-->
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Charles has the talent to be at or near the top, but, based on sample size, I'd put him at #10 on your list.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:03 PM
What Charles did in the second half of last season was exciting and gives one hope that we have a stud.

I was pretty happy with the pick when it was made and felt that he had the potential to be an outstanding RB in the NFL.

That being said, it was only a half season and until he shows that he can be that kind of player over time, that ranking isn't really out of line.

Good points, but what he did with that an average (at best) offensive line was truly remarkable. He is clearly better than Knowshon Moreno, Ryan Grant, Cedric Benson, and Ricky Williams, at the very least.

Douche Baggins
07-25-2010, 05:06 PM
Cedric Benson has had like, one good year since being utter shit in Chicago?

Reaper16
07-25-2010, 05:07 PM
Where's Jerome Harrison at?

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:09 PM
My ratings:
1. Chris Johnson
2. Jamaal Charles
3. Adrian Peterson
4. DeAngelo Williams
5. Ray Rice
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Steven Jackson
8. Frank Gore
9. Michael Turner
10. Jonathan Stewart
11. Rashard Mendenhall
12. Ricky Williams
13. Cedric Benson
14. Ryan Grant
15. Knowshon Moreno

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:09 PM
Where's Jerome Harrison at?

I think he's running into the end zone again while all the old slow guys on the Chiefs have a tea party.

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:11 PM
This is how I ranked them.

<LI id=droppable_1 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="17">1.Chris Johnson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_2 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="18">2.Adrian Peterson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_3 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="19">3.Steven Jackson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_4 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="20">4.Frank Gore (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_5 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="21">5.DeAngelo Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_6 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="22">6.Jonathan Stewart (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_7 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="23">7.Maurice Jones-Drew (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_8 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="24">8.Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_9 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="25">9.Rashard Mendenhall (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_10 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="26">10.Michael Turner (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_11 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="27">11.Cedric Benson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_12 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="28">12.Ricky Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_13 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="29">13.Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
14.Ryan Grant (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
15.Knowshon Moreno (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:13 PM
This is how I ranked them.

<LI id=droppable_1 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="17">1.Chris Johnson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_2 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="18">2.Adrian Peterson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_3 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="19">3.Steven Jackson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_4 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="20">4.Frank Gore (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_5 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="21">5.DeAngelo Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_6 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="22">6.Jonathan Stewart (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_7 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="23">7.Maurice Jones-Drew (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_8 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="24">8.Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_9 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="25">9.Rashard Mendenhall (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_10 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="26">10.Michael Turner (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_11 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="27">11.Cedric Benson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_12 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="28">12.Ricky Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_13 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="29">13.Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
14.Ryan Grant (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
15.Knowshon Moreno (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)


You seriously think Cedric Benson is better than Jamaal Charles?

'Hamas' Jenkins
07-25-2010, 05:19 PM
Here's the key, though:

The degree of separation on that list between 1 and 10 isn't all that demonstrable.

It's one of the many reasons why RBs are overvalued.

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 05:21 PM
Ray Rice at 8? He's a damn good back then again I guess theres alot of good ones.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:21 PM
Here's the key, though:

The degree of separation on that list between 1 and 10 isn't all that demonstrable.

It's one of the many reasons why RBs are overvalued.

True.

The only thing that is clear is that Knowshon Moreno sucks.

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:22 PM
You seriously think Cedric Benson is better than Jamaal Charles?

My ranking is based on the number of games played as well as productivity.

Benson has played more games, and had some productive games in his first two seasons.

I think Charles is better than just about every one on that list, but until he does it over time, I ranked him where I think his production and games played combined, should have him ranked.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 05:23 PM
Lol. I only laugh at the people that don't know who Jamaal Charles is.

They will see this year.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:24 PM
My ranking is based on the number of games played as well as productivity.

Benson has played more games, and had some productive games in his first two seasons.

I think Charles is better than just about every one on that list, but until he does it over time, I ranked him where I think his production and games played combined, should have him ranked.

Benson has 3.8 YPC over his "productive" career.

-King-
07-25-2010, 05:27 PM
I dont know why Ray Rice is so low on some peoples rankings. 2000 yards from scrimmage last year. Runs great and can turn chicken shit into chicken pot pie. I don't think he should be any lower than 5 on any ranking.

CupidStunt
07-25-2010, 05:27 PM
Benson and Ricky over Charles. :LOL:

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:29 PM
Benson has 3.8 YPC over his "productive" career.

Did you miss the part where I said "in his first two seasons"?

He averaged over 4 yards a carry.

Had a couple of down season, but bounced back last year.

And once again, I only rank Charles that low because he has to prove it over time.

I am in the Charles bandwagon.

I have been since he was drafted.

But I am not simply going to crown his ass because I think he can be one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL.

He has to prove it over time.

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:34 PM
Anyone remember Tony Reed?

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 05:37 PM
But I am not simply going to crown his ass because I think he can be one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDAq5tyfk9E

boogblaster
07-25-2010, 05:38 PM
Have to see what this full season brings .. but I think Charles should be in the top 10 if plays like last season ....

Mojo Jojo
07-25-2010, 05:47 PM
Anyone remember Tony Reed?

Tony Reed...that guy ran for 3,000 yards ever year. 2,000+ yards east/west and less than 1,000 north/south. Guy should have been a linebacker...great speed sideline to sideline.

LaChapelle
07-25-2010, 05:51 PM
KEEP FUCKING POUTING LT

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:51 PM
Tony Reed...that guy ran for 3,000 yards ever year. 2,000+ yards east/west and less than 1,000 north/south. Guy should have been a linebacker...great speed sideline to sideline.

I'm going to have to look up his stats, but he had a decent rookie season win which he ran for about 500 yards and averaged over 4 yards a carry in half a season, and had what looked to be a breakout second season when he ran for over a thousand yards and close to 5 yards a carry.

Then he just dropped off a cliff.

milkman
07-25-2010, 05:54 PM
Okay, here it is.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedTo00.htm

This is why one needs to produce over time.

I thought that kid was going to be a star.

Short Leash Hootie
07-25-2010, 06:00 PM
Okay, here it is.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedTo00.htm

This is why one needs to produce over time.

I thought that kid was going to be a star.

looking at those stats...I'm going to assume he got injured, correct?

milkman
07-25-2010, 06:13 PM
looking at those stats...I'm going to assume he got injured, correct?

Yeah, though I can't remember what exactly the injury was.

But that's part of the game, and why I say production over time has to be considered when rating players.

Short Leash Hootie
07-25-2010, 06:17 PM
Yeah, though I can't remember what exactly the injury was.

But that's part of the game, and why I say production over time has to be considered when rating players.

yeah but a serious injury back then was almost impossible to bounce back from...

little different these days

milkman
07-25-2010, 06:30 PM
yeah but a serious injury back then was almost impossible to bounce back from...

little different these days

I fully understand that.

However, he's a smallish RB that has suffered some minor injuries, and until he can get through a full season and produce at a high level, I simply am not ready to list him at the top.

He has the talent to be there.
I've believed that since the day he was drafted.

But I won't put him there until he actually proves it over the course of a season.

BryanBusby
07-25-2010, 06:42 PM
This is how I ranked 'em

1. 1.Chris Johnson
2. 2.Adrian Peterson
3. 3.Ray Rice
4. 4.Maurice Jones-Drew
5. 5.Steven Jackson
6. 6.DeAngelo Williams
7. 7.Frank Gore
8. 8.Ricky Williams
9. 9.Michael Turner
10. 10.Jamaal Charles
11. 11.Cedric Benson
12. 12.Ryan Grant
13. 13.Rashard Mendenhall
14. 14.Jonathan Stewart
15. 15.Knowshon Moreno

Uh idk why the numbers got copied twice.

Yeah that's right, I put Rice down at 3.

Thig Lyfe
07-25-2010, 06:47 PM
JC is going to be a 2nd round steal in a shit ton of FF drafts.

BWillie
07-25-2010, 07:06 PM
I don't know, but Knowshown Moreno is definitely last until he proves he's worth a shit. I don't think you can put Charles into the Top 5 until he plays a full season. Hell, if he plays like he did at the end of the year he could be #2.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 07:11 PM
At this point give me Ronnie Brown or Chris Wells over (average-joe) Knowshit.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 07:29 PM
JC is going to be a 2nd round steal in a shit ton of FF drafts.

I am drafting him 1st round, no doubt about it.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 07:31 PM
Charles is in 9th place for #1 votes.

-King-
07-25-2010, 07:36 PM
1. 1.Chris Johnson
2. 2.Adrian Peterson
3. 3.Ray Rice
4. 4.Steven Jackson
5. 5.Jamaal Charles
6. 6.Maurice Jones-Drew
7. 7.DeAngelo Williams
8. 8.Jonathan Stewart
9. 9.Frank Gore
10. 10.Rashard Mendenhall
11. 11.Michael Turner
12. 12.Ryan Grant
13. 13.Cedric Benson
14. 14.Ricky Williams
15. 15.Knowshon Moreno

My rankings

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 08:27 PM
I traded my first round pick in a keeper league for Ray Rice. I now have Rice & Tom Brady and still have another first round pick. Me>>>>> Pioli

Wallcrawler
07-25-2010, 08:28 PM
My ratings:
1. Chris Johnson
2. Jamaal Charles
3. Adrian Peterson
4. DeAngelo Williams
5. Ray Rice
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Steven Jackson
8. Frank Gore
9. Michael Turner
10. Jonathan Stewart
11. Rashard Mendenhall
12. Ricky Williams
13. Cedric Benson
14. Ryan Grant
15. Knowshon Moreno

Jamaal Charles over Adrian Peterson?

Homer goggles.

The guy's propensity for putting the football on the ground notwithstanding Id take him over Charles any day. All he has to do is go to Tiki Barber's school for holding onto the football and he will be the best back in the league.


How the heck did Ricky Williams make this list? Is there some sort of stat for most joints smoked between downs or something?

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 08:30 PM
Matthews will be a better RB then a 1/4 of that list too.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 08:31 PM
I'll take Jamaal over AD if Jamaal can duplicate the season he had last year over a full season.

vailpass
07-25-2010, 08:39 PM
My ratings:
1. Chris Johnson
2. Jamaal Charles
3. Adrian Peterson
4. DeAngelo Williams
5. Ray Rice
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Steven Jackson
8. Frank Gore
9. Michael Turner
10. Jonathan Stewart
11. Rashard Mendenhall
12. Ricky Williams
13. Cedric Benson
14. Ryan Grant
15. Knowshon Moreno

And some of you guys laugh at KnowMo

-King-
07-25-2010, 08:42 PM
In terms of pure running, I think AD is the 2nd best RB in the league. In terms of value to a team, Ray Rice would have to be 2nd on that list.

Hog Farmer
07-25-2010, 08:48 PM
And Mr. Thomas Jones didn't make the list ????

milkman
07-25-2010, 08:50 PM
And some of you guys laugh at KnowMo

There's a difference between homerism and blind homerism.

These guys are homeristic on this, but they aren't nearly as blindly, stupidly homeristic as KnowShit.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 08:54 PM
And Mr. Thomas Jones didn't make the list ????

Good point. I mean he was 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards and has been one of the best HB's over the last 3 years.

ESPN fudged up again.

But if Jones had gone to The Giants or stayed with Jets his name would be towards the top.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 08:55 PM
There's a difference between homerism and blind homerism.

These guys are homeristic on this, but they aren't nearly as blindly, stupidly homeristic as KnowShit.

At least we don't compare Tebow to Peyton Manning and Knowshit to Emmitt Smith.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 09:07 PM
Jamaal Charles over Adrian Peterson?

Homer goggles.

The guy's propensity for putting the football on the ground notwithstanding Id take him over Charles any day.

All right, you take your fumbles, I'll take my 6 yards per carry.

I don't know what's so crazy about thinking Charles is one of the best (if not the best) back in the NFL. He ran for nearly 6 yards per carry behind the same offensive line that Larry Johnson repeatedly ran up the ass of.

Charles is a phenomenal player. It has nothing to do with homer goggles. It's not like he's Greg Hill or something.

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 09:15 PM
Charles has yet to prove he can play a whole season.

Hog Farmer
07-25-2010, 09:18 PM
And it's just about time for KnowMo to sho.

thurman merman
07-25-2010, 09:21 PM
Charles has yet to prove he can play a whole season.

A) Repost
B) Who gives a shit? Chris Johnson has only played 2 seasons. Does that mean he cannot be considered a great player yet?

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 09:23 PM
Billay is just mad cause Jamaal Pwned his Cornhuskers in college.

TheGuardian
07-25-2010, 09:28 PM
Peterson is one hell of an overrated back. Injury prone, puts the ball on the ground like he's playing basketball. Yeah he's uber talented but he has some serious negatives in his game.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Peterson is one hell of an overrated back. Injury prone, puts the ball on the ground like he's playing basketball. Yeah he's uber talented but he has some serious negatives in his game.

Yeah because a high character guy that has the most rushing yards in the NFL since his arrival is overrated?

Don't forget what he has done.

TheGuardian
07-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Yeah because a high character guy that has the most rushing yards in the NFL since his arrival is overrated?

Don't forget what he has done.

I said the guy was talented. But he also runs behind the best line in the NFL too. And with all that the guy puts the ball on the field a ton, and is made of glass. Yes he's overrated. That doesn't mean he isn't a great player but I don't think he's the best back in the NFL like a lot of people do.

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 09:41 PM
Billay is just mad cause Jamaal Pwned his Cornhuskers in college.

How are you still alive?

A guy who hasn't played a full season can't be considered the best RB in football. You all are fucking morons.

TheGuardian
07-25-2010, 09:46 PM
I agree with Billay. A guy without a full season can't be the best at his position.

However, Charles doesn't need to have 5 great seasons to prove he's the best either. With the running back position you generally can play or not. You don't need years to establish yourself like at WR or QB. Charles has all of the skills to be the best, he just needs to prove it this year. He doesn't need to prove it year after year after year. Other positions? Yeah. Running back? No. Backs can come in and dominate as rookies because it is an instinctive position, like linebacker on defense. So if Charles comes out and blows everyone away this year it's not out of line to talk about him as the best back in the league AT THE MOMENT.

CoMoChief
07-25-2010, 09:47 PM
Id rather he stay underrated.

It will hurt more for opposing defenses that way.

Why because defenses read retarded articles and rankings from ESPN sites?

These rankings don't mean shit. Since JC started, the only RB in the league that compared to him was Chris Johnson from TEN.

milkman
07-25-2010, 09:51 PM
I agree with Billay. A guy without a full season can't be the best at his position.

However, Charles doesn't need to have 5 great seasons to prove he's the best either. With the running back position you generally can play or not. You don't need years to establish yourself like at WR or QB. Charles has all of the skills to be the best, he just needs to prove it this year. He doesn't need to prove it year after year after year. Other positions? Yeah. Running back? No. Backs can come in and dominate as rookies because it is an instinctive position, like linebacker on defense. So if Charles comes out and blows everyone away this year it's not out of line to talk about him as the best back in the league AT THE MOMENT.

Uh....I've been making this argument from the beginning of the thread.

It's the reason, I believe, someone said that billay was reposting.

Chocolate Hog
07-25-2010, 09:55 PM
Uh....I've been making this argument from the beginning of the thread.

It's the reason, I believe, someone said that billay was reposting.

Sorry man I should read all the pages.

KCrockaholic
07-25-2010, 10:07 PM
How are you still alive?

A guy who hasn't played a full season can't be considered the best RB in football. You all are ****ing morons.

I never said he was the best runningback in football. Pull your head out of your ass.

I made a joking statement, about Jamaal single handedly beating the Cornhuskers.

Tribal Warfare
07-25-2010, 10:23 PM
Who fucking cares dude, the only thing that matters is he keeps producing like he did during the second half of the season.

Consistent1
07-25-2010, 10:41 PM
I hope he doesn't have to look all that great this year. With TJ being a solid proven vet, that will take pressure off. Should both be able to rock if the offense can start finding ways to make the opposing D have genuine concerns about stopping it. A lot of this rating shit is fantasy football stuff. Where are the Colts and Saints RB's ranked there? Charles is a special player regardless.

King_Chief_Fan
07-26-2010, 07:17 AM
Jamaal Charles is ranked 14th out of 15 running backs. Only Knowshon Moreno is ranked lower. It is clear that a lot of people have not watched Charles play yet. Help him out!

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343

Really? He has had one good year. Jones was acquired for a reason.

TheGuardian
07-26-2010, 07:27 AM
Really? He has had one good year. Jones was acquired for a reason.

How many good years has Cedrick Benson had?

HemiEd
07-26-2010, 07:46 AM
My ratings:
1. Chris Johnson
2. Jamaal Charles
3. Adrian Peterson
4. DeAngelo Williams
5. Ray Rice
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Steven Jackson
8. Frank Gore
9. Michael Turner
10. Jonathan Stewart
11. Rashard Mendenhall
12. Ricky Williams
13. Cedric Benson
14. Ryan Grant
15. Knowshon Moreno

I like Charles, and am sure no expert. But I would take Adrian Peterson anyday, ahead of Charles.

vailpass
07-26-2010, 09:21 AM
Some of you guys are so desperate it's funny.

OnTheWarpath58
07-26-2010, 11:16 AM
Christ, this looks like a WPI thread.

Dude's had 5 great games against run defenses ranked 26th or worse.

Let's make sure he can repeat that for a full season, against all opponents before we crown his ass.

I think the kid has all the potential in the world - have since he was drafted - but some of you are being ridiculous.

LaChapelle
07-26-2010, 11:24 AM
Baited for Rainbows
and caught gars

Wallcrawler
07-26-2010, 12:09 PM
All right, you take your fumbles, I'll take my 6 yards per carry.

K. Ill also take the 18 TDs and the fear he puts into a defense.

I don't know what's so crazy about thinking Charles is one of the best (if not the best) back in the NFL. He ran for nearly 6 yards per carry behind the same offensive line that Larry Johnson repeatedly ran up the ass of.

So simply having better vision, and work ethic than Larry Johnson makes you contender for best back in the league? Heh. When did that happen?

LJ got paid, and he quit. My little sister could get more than the paltry 2.4 ypc that Johnson mustered up.


Charles is a phenomenal player. It has nothing to do with homer goggles. It's not like he's Greg Hill or something.


He shows some promise. He was an exciting player on an otherwise abysmal team. I like the guy too, but best back in the league?

Look at who he faced. He exploded in 3 of those last 4 games for sure.

The defenses he faced though? Garbage.

143 yards against the 30th ranked Buffalo Bills.

154 yards against the 28th ranked Cleveland Browns

102 yards against the 7th ranked Cincinnati Bengals -respectable.

259 yards against the 26th ranked Denver Broncos, a team that he only mustered 56 yards against at Arrowhead.


His only other 100 yard performance came against the 29th ranked Chokeland Raiders.


Against top defenses, he got 58 yards against the 3rd ranked Steelers and the aforementioned 102 against the 7th ranked Bengals.

Sorry, but his ypc is skewed by the big games he had against garbage teams. Against decent rush defenses, Charles is an average back.

Things like Phenomenal, and best back in the league have to be backed up with dominating performances against good teams, as well as the trash teams.

Havent seen it yet.




Hopefully with a shored up O-line and some new toys on offense, the passing game can help Charles perform better against those stout defenses. But to call him the #2 back at this point is teh homerism.

HemiEd
07-26-2010, 12:42 PM
Baited for Rainbows
and caught gars

Very profound, and true.

SDChiefs
07-26-2010, 12:53 PM
My Rankings.

#1-15: Knowshon Moreno/ Knowmo

thurman merman
12-19-2010, 11:42 PM
This is how I ranked them.

<LI id=droppable_1 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="17">1.Chris Johnson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_2 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="18">2.Adrian Peterson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_3 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="19">3.Steven Jackson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_4 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="20">4.Frank Gore (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_5 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="21">5.DeAngelo Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_6 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="22">6.Jonathan Stewart (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_7 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="23">7.Maurice Jones-Drew (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_8 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="24">8.Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_9 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="25">9.Rashard Mendenhall (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_10 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="26">10.Michael Turner (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)<LI id=droppable_11 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="27">11.Cedric Benson (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_12 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="28">12.Ricky Williams (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#) <LI id=droppable_13 class=ui-droppable jQuery1280098317996="29">13.Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
14.Ryan Grant (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)
15.Knowshon Moreno (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=3&listId=343#)


bump

TinyEvel
12-19-2010, 11:45 PM
Yes, but Jamar Chuckles must surely be ranked in the top 3.

thurman merman
12-19-2010, 11:46 PM
Really? He has had one good year. Jones was acquired for a reason.

To suck, therefore making Charles look even more awesome?

cabletech94
12-20-2010, 06:06 AM
To suck, therefore making Charles look even more awesome?

time to change your avy, braugh!:D

thurman merman
12-20-2010, 09:44 AM
time to change your avy, braugh!:D

Nah, it's awesome.