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rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 12:14 PM
or are at least going in the right direction for 2011, 2012, etc.?
Offense
RB: were good, actually were damn good. thomas jones is a great pick up, and charles has proved he can run in this league. add some dmc to throw the defense off here and there, and i'm more than pleased.
WR: could be better, could be worse. resigned Chambers who has been and should continue be solid. Dbowe could be a monster with a 2nd year with Cassell and Haley. of course hes shown idiotic tendancies and could be a bust. hopefully haley can get through to him and he will be a standout for years to come. the addition of dmc should open up the passing game because of his speed and gamebreaking ability. not much to say about the rest of the lot. maybe urban can step up and make some plays. i think haley and weis will get more than anyone expects out of this group.
QB: meh. i was ok with the cassell pick up since we only gave up a 2nd and front loaded his contract, and the rest of our qb roster was laughable. a year of starting plus weis should make cassell a more effective qb. is he our qbotf? i don't think so. neither is brokie so don't even start.
OL: meh. were good at left tackle and should be for the forseeable future. waters is a pro and will continue to be effective, though he is getting a little long in the tooth. we may get this year and another out of hem. center is a huge question mark. rudy sucks and weigman is old. i assume lilja will start at rt guard and is better than anything we've had the past few seasons. rt tackle, who knows. i see this line as average at best. the asamoah pick makes a lot of sense and he could be a great player in the future. pioli and company still have plenty of work to do here. far as i can tell, after asamoah and albert we need 3 new starters for the future.
TE: if moeki can stay healthy we look to have our tight end of the future. if not, were f'd for the forseeable future.
Defense
DL: probably not gonna be that great, even with the addition of crennel. smith at NT isn't scaring anyone and tjax has a long way to go. while his #3 pick may never be justified, with more exprerience he could be an excellent DE. i think dorsey will do a damn fine job this season, probably gonna prove the naysayers wrong, though it probably won't be enough to make our front 3 formadable. gillberry has shown some flashes but isn't scaring anyone either, he might wind up a lb anyway. not much to say bout the rest of em. gonna need more time, better backups, and a good NT before this line does any real damage. Pioli and crew have a lot more work to do.
LB::Lin: while hali is one of my favorite chiefs he is gonna have to improve in pass coverage and against the run. right now he is not well rounded enough. with better front 7 play and better secondary play he should wind up with double digit sacks. its make it or brake it time for DJ. we need him to finally get it and start showing up every game all game. will he or wont he? i don't know. vrabel is old, but is expertise is still a valuable asset to the younger guys. could have gems in studebaker and belcher but the truth is they are inexperienced and could be less than average. mays and williams. i repeat :Lin: pioli dissapointed us all when he pretty mush did nothing with this group. guess we will see this season if there is any reason to get excited about this lb core.
DB: probably the best reason to get excited about chiefs football. flowers is the man and carr is an above average cb who appears to be getting better. berry could be a f'n monster. i know we all hope so. as for the other safety, who really knows. arenas looks like he is going to be an assett as well. need more time and experience but we could wind up with one of the best db crews in the league now that pollards sorry ass is gone.
Special teams
K:the succop pick looks like it could be a great one and dustin is still one of the best punters in the league. were good
coverage: i have no f'n clue. at least the players are in good condition.
returners: with the addition of arenas and dmc were obviously better. wouldnt wanna look at any combo of dmc, jc, and arenas on the kickoff if i'm facing the chiefs. pioli has done well
Coaching: the firing of chan and gunther and picking up of crennell and weis are unarguable upgrades as far as i'm concerned. adding a former chief and HOF to our secondary seems like a good move as well. you know haley will be more comfartable this year, especially now that he has less on his plate. will this show up in game day coaching? i sure hope so. i'm a haley fan and think he will continue to find success in this league.

in conclusion i think haley and weis can turn this offense into a 10-15 ranked offense this season. i would like to think crennel could get us ranked 15-20, but i would imagine we will still be at the bottom of the pack somewere between 20-25. i love the direction the chiefs are going and i believe we will be a contender for the west/playoffs and maybe even the superbowl for years to come. half or our starters have 3 years or less of starting experience and time should only make us better. pioli seems to be building this team with winners and leaders from top to bottom. for 2010 i think we are a 7 to 8 win football team. with our schedule and a few lucky breaks we might get 9 wins. if the chargers choke, and they will, we may even complete for the west.

also, were gonna beat the san diego(our fanbase is a joke) chargers and norv(i'll never win the big one) turner by 3 touchdowns on MNF.

Pestilence
07-26-2010, 12:17 PM
:facepalm:

Pushead2
07-26-2010, 12:19 PM
oh boy....

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-26-2010, 12:26 PM
What, no 'we're winning the motherfucking Super Bowl' option?

Wallcrawler
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM
We've improved enough to win 6 games this year, instead of 4.

rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 12:34 PM
:facepalm:

sorry, i forgot the gay for gaz option.

KCUnited
07-26-2010, 12:34 PM
Rep, I love me an afternoon drunk too.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 12:36 PM
Rep, I love me an afternoon drunk too.

LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 12:37 PM
I voted, "do not like the direction", but that has more to do with Shat "The Errant Venture" Cassholi than anything else as the basis for the vote.

keg in kc
07-26-2010, 12:42 PM
I like the direction but they're another offseason away. Deep, deep hole this franchise is digging out of. They should be competitive, with the schedule they have and the division they're in, but anything above 8 wins would be miraculous. Next year will be telling. If they've done things right, it should be the beginning of a series of 10-12 win seasons.

SDChiefs
07-26-2010, 12:44 PM
Im sure they'll win at least once. Hell, 22 guys off the street can win two games.

sedated
07-26-2010, 12:45 PM
I think the O-Line will be improved, and the offense that showed signs of life late last year added a weapon in DmC, and another weapon if D-Bowe can get his act toghther.

But it'll be another frustrating year if the front 7 can't stop the run or get pressure on the QB.

MOhillbilly
07-26-2010, 12:45 PM
We've improved enough to win 6 games this year, instead of 4.

ive got 1272$ in casino cash that says we win 5 or less.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 12:46 PM
I like the direction but they're another offseason away. Deep, deep hole this franchise is digging out of. They should be competitive, with the schedule they have and the division they're in, but anything above 8 wins would be miraculous. Next year will be telling. If they've done things right, it should be the beginning of a series of 10-12 win seasons.

I agree with this except I think( or I would add that )we hover at 1st and 2nd-round playoff losses until the O-line, LB and QB situation is shored up.

And get that fucking Mike Vrabel to the retirement home, FFS!

Old Dog
07-26-2010, 12:50 PM
ive got 1272$ in casino cash that says we win 5 or less.

I'll take that bet. I'm guessing 6 wins.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 12:50 PM
LMAO @ KnowMo's votes.

Fuckin' Donk...

rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 12:51 PM
ive got 1272$ in casino cash that says we win 5 or less.

deal. with our schedule we are at least 2 games better than last year. you better pay up sucka

Dave Lane
07-26-2010, 12:51 PM
ive got 1272$ in casino cash that says we win 5 or less.

You are on...

Dave Lane
07-26-2010, 12:52 PM
I think 6-8 wins. If frikken Cassel can just get coached up to be a average serviceable QB I'm going to go with 8 wins.

MOhillbilly
07-26-2010, 12:54 PM
You are on...

this whole team is suspect. I dont give a shit what the schedule is.

FD
07-26-2010, 12:55 PM
also, were gonna beat the san diego(our fanbase is a joke) chargers and norv(i'll never win the big one) turner by 3 touchdowns on MNF.

Did you happen to be asleep last year when they beat us 37-7 and 43-14?

keg in kc
07-26-2010, 12:55 PM
I agree with this except I think( or I would add that )we hover at 1st and 2nd-round playoff losses until the O-line, LB and QB situation is shored up.

And get that ****ing Mike Vrabel to the retirement home FFS!QB is only one I'm worried about. O-line and LB should work out, as they're both positions that provide options every offseason, whether it's free agency or the draft, and neither one is a spot where you have to spend a premium (in terms of picks or money).

QB on the other hand...

If Cassel doesn't work out, it'll be interesting to see what they try next year.

Nzoner
07-26-2010, 12:55 PM
ive got 1272$ in casino cash that says we win 5 or less.

I've already bet $25 real cash and a 25 oz. beer that they win 7+

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 12:55 PM
And once more for the record:

"ROR Predicts that the Chiefs will back their asses into a Wild Card ala 2006, blind, dumb, Edwards-style luck, with four teams who need to lose, losing their respective games".

History Repeats!

MOhillbilly
07-26-2010, 12:57 PM
easy monies.

rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 12:57 PM
Did you happen to be asleep last year when they beat us 37-7 and 43-14?

no, i was as ashamed as you were. its tough when your younger red headed step brother can beat you up.

keg in kc
07-26-2010, 12:57 PM
And once more for the record:

"ROR Predicts that the Chiefs will back their asses into a Wild Card ala 2006, blind, dumb, Edwards-style luck, with four teams who need to lose, losing their respective games".

History Repeats!If San Diego falls apart, it could happen.

Some folks are high on the raiders, but I don't see it. And Denver isn't going anywhere. It could feasibly be a situation where 8 or 9 wins takes the division.

(That's not what I expect, however)

rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 12:58 PM
And once more for the record:

"ROR Predicts that the Chiefs will back their asses into a Wild Card ala 2006, blind, dumb, Edwards-style luck, with four teams who need to lose, losing their respective games".

History Repeats!

now thats a prediction!

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 01:03 PM
QB is only one I'm worried about. O-line and LB should work out, as they're both positions that provide options every offseason, whether it's free agency or the draft, and neither one is a spot where you have to spend a premium (in terms of picks or money).

QB on the other hand...

If Cassel doesn't work out, it'll be interesting to see what they try next year.

I'm thinking "be bold and move/trade up" if the talent warrants it. If that one guy from the green team improves and they DO end up in the playoffs or beyond again this year, you can NOT be a responsible GM and still claim some "value for dollars" bullshit overriding what was quite obviously a very good draft day manuever in 2009 by said green team.

Just get it the fuck DONE.

Sweet Daddy Hate
07-26-2010, 01:05 PM
If San Diego falls apart, it could happen.

Some folks are high on the raiders, but I don't see it. And Denver isn't going anywhere. It could feasibly be a situation where 8 or 9 wins takes the division.

(That's not what I expect, however)

now thats a prediction!

Just think of it as a bar-graph:
Back that ass up,
4-12
2-14
4-12
Back that ass up.

See? Logical!

-King-
07-26-2010, 01:16 PM
Did you happen to be asleep last year when they beat us 37-7 and 43-14?

Last year doesnt mean shit. The year before last we lost by 1 point in both games with 1 of them being by a miracle comeback by them. Just as that year didnt mean shit during last year, last year wont mean shit this year.
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keg in kc
07-26-2010, 01:18 PM
I'm thinking "be bold and move/trade up" if the talent warrants it. If that one guy from the green team improves and they DO end up in the playoffs or beyond again this year, you can NOT be a responsible GM and still claim some "value for dollars" bullshit overriding what was quite obviously a very good draft day manuever in 2009 by said green team.

Just get it the **** DONE.I don't know that I'll ever consider that a good draft day maneuver. I did not believe at the time it was a wise move because said player was so clearly lacking in experience. And I saw nothing in 2009, including the playoffs, that made me change my mind on that, made me think that he isn't a project player. They way they protected him made Martyocre-style football look innovative and aggressive - and he had some horrific games despite that. Either way, I don't believe you take a project that high, not even at QB. Juniors are a risk, juniors who haven't played much are an insane risk, and I thought he was a case of a team (and fans, not just in NY) thinking "oh hell, there aren't any QBs other than Stafford this year" and panicking. Desperation move. Think the same can be said with Josh Freeman going in the first. Neither of them were moves I'd have made.

I think the player I would point to in support of a ballsy trade is one from a year earlier. Regardless of how Dorsey turns out, I will always wish we'd found a way to move up for Ryan. It still blows my mind that guy didn't go number 1.

FAX
07-26-2010, 01:27 PM
I don't know if the Chiefs will win or not, but I do know that ...

A) Face Transplant Man may be scary as hell but he's not as scary as his doctors.
B) It's going to cost the government a lot of money to figure out what the double rainbow means.
C) Burning down houses is more enjoyable when you've just had a BJ.

FAX

rambleonthruthefog
07-26-2010, 01:31 PM
I don't know if the Chiefs will win or not, but I do know that ...

A) Face Transplant Man may be scary as hell but he's not as scary as his doctors.
B) It's going to cost the government a lot of money to figure out what the double rainbow means.
C) Burning down houses is more enjoyable when you've just had a BJ.

FAX

also, food just tastes better during a B&E

ClevelandBronco
07-26-2010, 01:33 PM
If San Diego falls apart, it could happen.

Some folks are high on the raiders, but I don't see it. And Denver isn't going anywhere. It could feasibly be a situation where 8 or 9 wins takes the division.

(That's not what I expect, however)

IMO, a lot of Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders fans would like to think that 8 or 9 wins could take the division because any one of those teams could get lucky enough to blunder its way to that many wins. But it's Dago's division this season again with (I'd guess) 11 wins. Maybe 10.

FAX
07-26-2010, 01:34 PM
Quite true, Mr. rambleonthruthefog. Even Fruit Loops taste better which is kind of amazing considering the fact that Fruit Loops are the best tasting Loops available in the marketplace - even when you purchase them legally at the grocery. Tons better than Vegetable Loops or Turkey Bologna Loops.

FAX

MOhillbilly
07-26-2010, 02:04 PM
everyone knows loopty loops are the superior brand of loops.

Shox
07-26-2010, 02:28 PM
I love what the Chiefs are doing. The coaching upgrades will prove to be huge imo. It will be very hard to identify, but this group of Chiefs will be so far ahead in terms of preparation compared to the past several years.

The Chargers and Bronco are both going to take a huge step backwards this year. The Chargers have a brutal schedule (Jaguars, Seahawks, Card, Rams, Patriots, Titans, Texans, Colts, 49ers, Bengals, they could easily lose the final 6 non-divisional games) I think Oakland will win the division.

Wk1 Chargers at home. WIN Monday night at home it will be rocking. The Chargers always start bad and they always have their hands full in Arrowhead.

Wk2 at the Browns. WIN This team must learn to win on the road and the lowly Browns are a perfect place to start. We owe them from last year in Arrowhead.

Wk3 49ers at home. LOSS 49ers have to many weapons.

Wk4 bye

Wk5 at Indy. LOSS No comment required.

Wk 6 at Texans. LOSS Again to much talent for the Chiefs to handle.

Wk 7 Jaguars at home WIN I think this will be a very important game if this will be successful season. They must protect the home field against a good opponent, but one they can beat.

Wk 8 Bills at home. WIN Bad team at home, must get a win.

Wk 9 at Raiders Loss Raider are going to be a surprise team in 2010 and to much for the Chiefs on the road

Wk 10 at Broncos WIN Chiefs get the Broncos in Denver. The Broncos have dumped way to many quality players. The young coach is in over his head.

Wk 11 Cards at home. WIN Warner is gone. The Cards go back to being the Cards.

Wk 12 Seahawks away LOSS Should be a close game, but Chiefs loss on the road.

Wk 13 Broncos at home WIN The decline of the Broncos continues.

Wk 14 Charges away LOSS The Chiefs lose on the road to a divisional foe.

Wk 15 Ram away. WIN Rams one of the worst rosters in the NFL.

Wk 16 Titans at home. LOSS CJ will need a lot of oxygen running through the Chiefs D.

Wk 17 Raiders at home WIN Chiefs defend Arrowhead against the hated rival.

Chiefs go 9-7 and maybe, just maybe sneak into the playoffs as a wildcard.

I lot of things have to go right (no major injuries, Cassel picks up his play, Bowe decides to catch the ball, the OL play improves from where it finishes in 2009, at least one LB steps and proves to be an NFL caliber LB and Berry is 80% as good as his hype. Charles was not a one year wonder.

ClevelandBronco
07-26-2010, 02:37 PM
I love what the Chiefs are doing. The coaching upgrades will prove to be huge imo. It will be very hard to identify, but this group of Chiefs will be so far ahead in terms of preparation compared to the past several years.

The Chargers and Bronco are both going to take a huge step backwards this year. The Chargers have a brutal schedule (Jaguars, Seahawks, Card, Rams, Patriots, Titans, Texans, Colts, 49ers, Bengals, they could easily lose the final 6 non-divisional games) I think Oakland will win the division....

I'll leave it to you Chiefs fans to take care of this trash. I think it's yours.

Shox
07-26-2010, 02:42 PM
I'll leave it to you Chiefs fans to take care of this trash. I think it's yours.

Trash??? Are you referring to McDaniels actions with the Bronco roster.

FAX
07-26-2010, 03:25 PM
For God's sake, Mr. Mohillbilly Loopty Loops are okay, but they're not food. Loopty Loops are merely a sort of vertical drop combined with a partial corkscrew. To my knowledge, no one on Earth has ever eaten a Loopty Loop. Members of the civilizations that inhabit strange worlds in other galaxies may eat Loopty Loops, but not here. Anyhow, similar to Chinese food, even if you did eat a Loopty Loop, you would be hungry 30 minutes later. I, therefore, submit that Fruit Loops are a superior food in every respect as compared to the Loopty Loop. In fact, Fruit Loops are better than Clam Loops and far better than even Pigs Feet Loops. An argument could be made that the Glazed Deep Fried Bread Loop (aka, the Donut) competes with the Fruit Loop on the basis of size, but they do not stay crunchy in milk.

FAX

ClevelandBronco
07-26-2010, 04:06 PM
...An argument could be made that the Glazed Deep Fried Bread Loop (aka, the Donut) competes with the Fruit Loop on the basis of size, but they do not stay crunchy in milk.

FAX

You have to age them for a few months first. Behind a sofa cushion is a good place.

KCBOSS1
07-26-2010, 04:26 PM
We've improved enough to win 6 games this year, instead of 4.

Just enough to push out of the running for the top quarterback in the draft 2011

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-26-2010, 04:35 PM
I don't know that I'll ever consider that a good draft day maneuver. I did not believe at the time it was a wise move because said player was so clearly lacking in experience. And I saw nothing in 2009, including the playoffs, that made me change my mind on that, made me think that he isn't a project player. They way they protected him made Martyocre-style football look innovative and aggressive - and he had some horrific games despite that. Either way, I don't believe you take a project that high, not even at QB. Juniors are a risk, juniors who haven't played much are an insane risk, and I thought he was a case of a team (and fans, not just in NY) thinking "oh hell, there aren't any QBs other than Stafford this year" and panicking. Desperation move. Think the same can be said with Josh Freeman going in the first. Neither of them were moves I'd have made.

I think the player I would point to in support of a ballsy trade is one from a year earlier. Regardless of how Dorsey turns out, I will always wish we'd found a way to move up for Ryan. It still blows my mind that guy didn't go number 1.

Great post. I loved Ryan coming out. I liked Sanchez coming out, but I agree with your take on how they called games with him at QB. They called games like they had no confidence at all in him. After he crapped all over the field in the Buffalo game, they were forced to go uber Martyball. We'll see how or if he progresses.