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Over-Head
07-30-2010, 09:58 AM
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Before first snap, Jason Campbell named Oakland Raiders' No. 1 QB

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b56vs


Jason Campbell was named the Raiders' starting quarterback on Wednesday by coach Tom Cable on the eve of his team's first training camp practice in Napa.

Cable included the caveat that this assumes Campbell stays healthy throughout camp and holds off challenges from Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye and Kyle Boller.

The Raiders traded for Campbell during the NFL draft in April and saw enough of him during offseason workouts to determine that he was the best option to succeed departed quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
Cable said the decision was made easy because Gradkowski was sidelined the entire offseason as he recovered from surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle.

"The first thing people are going to want to ask is, 'Where is Bruce and (how do) the other guys fit in terms of competition and all that?' " Cable said. "Bruce hasn't done anything for the last three months. He'll catch up and he'll get himself up to speed and he'll go out and battle and all that. But, as we move forward (this) morning and go to practice the first time, Jason will be in that first huddle."

Cable had plenty more to say, suggesting that his team could wind up playing in the Super Bowl at Cowboys Stadium on Feb. 6.
"What's in front of us is winning a championship," Cable said Wednesday at a news conference on the eve of his team's first training camp practice in Napa. "That's the goal now. Let's go for it."
The Raiders were 5-11 last season, but Cable feels the team he has assembled is primed for more than its first winning season since 2002.

"I know we're going to be a good team, and I'm not afraid to say that," Cable said. "We're going to go after the AFC West. I'm not afraid to say that."

For now, Cable intends for Campbell to lead the Raiders.
Gradkowski supplanted Russell as the starting quarterback nine games into last season, and he provided an instant upgrade to the league's worst-ranked passing attack. Yet, it's back to being a backup until further notice.
Gradkowski resumed throwing in recent weeks and is expected to participate in the Raiders first practice this morning. But he will have to wait until Monday to test his arm in a team setting because Cable intends to use the first four days eight practices for "intensive learning" drills that don't include much contact or full-scale plays.

The Raiders play their first exhibition game in Dallas on Aug. 12.
Notes: First-round draft pick Rolando McClain still hasn't signed a contract. Cable said negotiations are ongoing and that it's possible McClain will be under contract and at practice today. "... Langston Walker is the projected starter at right offensive tackle, Cable said. Cornell Green held down that job the past three seasons before signing with the Buffalo Bills via free agency this offseason. "... The Raiders formally announced the hiring of Craig Dickenson as assistant special teams coordinator.

He joined the team in April and will work under John Fassel.
Dickenson last worked for the Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League. "... The Raider Nation Celebration is slated for Aug. 27 at Frank Ogawa Plaza in Oakland from 4-6 p.m.

Sofa King
07-30-2010, 10:00 AM
water is wet

Rausch
07-30-2010, 10:02 AM
So he'll play the part of the inconsistent B/U QB named starter in Oakland that has always done'...well, not much but looked promising.

There's Gannon...and he went nuts...and then there was...well, nothing since....but back when there was teh Hostetler!

Yeah, kinda' flamed out.....or......well...Jeff George was...horrible.

No, that's it. Gannon.

Gannon did give you 3 years of respectable so perhaps if Campbell gets old, grey, super moody, weak armed, and white you guys might take the division...

GL with that...

Over-Head
07-30-2010, 10:08 AM
So he'll play the part of the inconsistent B/U QB named starter in Oakland that has always done'...well, not much but looked promising.

There's Gannon...and he went nuts...and then there was...well, nothing since....but back when there was teh Hostetler!

Yeah, kinda' flamed out.....or......well...Jeff George was...horrible.

No, that's it. Gannon.

Gannon did give you 3 years of respectable so perhaps if Campbell gets old, grey, super moody, weak armed, and white you guys might take the division...

GL with that...

Sad but true when you look at our QB's over the last far too many years, Gannon, and ahhhh.
Now JR was noting short of terrible, but comeone now, that front line....Hell even Montan couldn't have made a wild card with that bunch.
We have teh tools in place for a better than teh last 7 seasons by far, only question is

How does Al manage to fug this up yet again?

BigRichard
07-30-2010, 10:09 AM
I think the Raiders will be the scariest team in the division this year.

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:11 AM
I thought for sure they would start JaMarcus. :)

mcaj22
07-30-2010, 10:12 AM
It will be something to laugh about when Campbell puts up better stats with the Raiders than Cassel does with the Chiefs this season.

FD
07-30-2010, 10:13 AM
No surprise. Campbell is underrated and was a great acquisition IMO.

Rausch
07-30-2010, 10:14 AM
Sad but true when you look at our QB's over the last far too many years, Gannon, and ahhhh.
Now JR was noting short of terrible, but comeone now, that front line....Hell even Montan couldn't have made a wild card with that bunch.
We have teh tools in place for a better than teh last 7 seasons by far, only question is

How does Al manage to fug this up yet again?

I honestly believe that with different coaching, Ownership/Gm, and the ability to play the run first/play solid D philosophy you would have won no less than 2 division crowns by now.

I can think of no team more deserving of the underachiever label over the last 5 YEARS...

alpha_omega
07-30-2010, 10:14 AM
Was there really any other choice for them?

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:15 AM
I honestly believe that with different coaching, Ownership/Gm, and the ability to play the run first/play solid D philosophy you would have won no less than 2 division crowns by now.

I can think of no team more deserving of the underachiever label over the last 5 YEARS...

Yeah but they have deserved to be under achievers. They drafted bad, coached bad, played bad. All their ass sucking the last 7 years has been well deserved because they did it to themselves.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-30-2010, 10:19 AM
Campbell is good, but he is no difference maker. Not enough to put any scare to the rest of the AFC West.

Rausch
07-30-2010, 10:21 AM
Yeah but they have deserved to be under achievers. They drafted bad, coached bad, played bad. All their ass sucking the last 7 years has been well deserved because they did it to themselves.

They drafted terrible this year but they always add top end talent.

They always do.

The secondary is loaded, they have a solid O line, and I'd argue there are 3 HB's on this team that would top 1,200 yards given the chance to carry the load full time.

I honestly believe Cable could have Marty'ed the Faiders to respectable and perhaps (if lucky) the playoffs.

The Raiders just insist on breaking every rule of common sense by taking offensive lineman in the top 10 and HB's in the top 15...

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:23 AM
Campbell is good, but he is no difference maker. Not enough to put any scare to the rest of the AFC West.

I agree, Vanilla.

Oakland will be in that same 7-9, 8-8 picture as KC looking for the 2nd place in AFC W.

Oakland does not have all world talent like some people like to pretend. They have dumb talent and won't be successful until they start drafting better. This year was an exception. They actually drafted a solid team.

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:26 AM
They drafted terrible this year but they always add top end talent.

They always do.

The secondary is loaded, they have a solid O line, and I'd argue there are 3 HB's on this team that would top 1,200 yards given the chance to carry the load full time.

I honestly believe Cable could have Marty'ed the Faiders to respectable and perhaps (if lucky) the playoffs.

The Raiders just insist on breaking every rule of common sense by taking offensive lineman in the top 10 and HB's in the top 15...

They drafted very well this year. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

The secondary is average outside of Asamough. Chris Johnson is a horrible CB, and Michael Huff is a liability.

Their front 7 is very improved from a season ago.

They have 2 good runningbacks in Bush and McFadden, but McFadden is not an elite HB or even close.

The raiders won't make the playoffs this year but they will improve plenty much like KC.

Over-Head
07-30-2010, 10:26 AM
They drafted terrible this year but they always add top end talent.

They always do.
That remains to be seen

The secondary is loaded, they have a solid O line, and I'd argue there are 3 HB's on this team that would top 1,200 yards given the chance to carry the load full time.

I honestly believe Cable could have Marty'ed the Faiders to respectable and perhaps (if lucky) the playoffs.

The Raiders just insist on breaking every rule of common sense by taking offensive lineman in the top 10 and HB's in the top 15...
No one will ever say Al is good at teh draft, but he has pulled out a few gems befor. Playoffs, I really don't know, wild cat maybe, with a lot of luck, lets get what we have working now for an 8-8 or better first, personally 9-7/10-6 I see.

Consistent1
07-30-2010, 10:43 AM
They drafted very well this year. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

The secondary is average outside of Asamough. Chris Johnson is a horrible CB, and Michael Huff is a liability.

Their front 7 is very improved from a season ago.

They have 2 good runningbacks in Bush and McFadden, but McFadden is not an elite HB or even close.

The raiders won't make the playoffs this year but they will improve plenty much like KC.

I don't know man. My belief is that they have much more going for them right now than KC.

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:49 AM
I don't know man. My belief is that they have much more going for them right now than KC.

Like what? How is their base foundation at this point better than KC? Don't give me the Jason Campbell stuff, we don't know how he is going to do, and Cassel will be in year 2 with KC, with more talent. What makes them stand out?

boogblaster
07-30-2010, 10:56 AM
8-8 team ... poor everything ... Campbell will not matter ....

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 10:58 AM
The Raiders just aren't as good as some Chiefs fans want them to be. I think we feel that Oakland needs to be brought back from the dead, because our "rivalry" is pathetic at this point.

beach tribe
07-30-2010, 11:17 AM
I have never thought that JC was worth a shit. Didn't think he would amount to crap, and really i still don't. Which is why I can't figure out why his signing gives me a bad feeling. It worries me for some reason. Just thinking that maybe I'm wrong about this guy. That would really suck for us if this guy hits his stride, and starts playing above average football.

beach tribe
07-30-2010, 11:18 AM
The Raiders just aren't as good as some Chiefs fans want them to be. I think we feel that Oakland needs to be brought back from the dead, because our "rivalry" is pathetic at this point.

Dude, Oakland has a lot of talent.

DJ's left nut
07-30-2010, 11:21 AM
Campbell is about the perfect example of a league average QB.

He does some things well, he does some things poorly.

He works hard and seems to have the respect of his teammates.

I'd take him over Cassel anyday and I suspect that will be established in all its glory this season.

KCrockaholic
07-30-2010, 11:22 AM
Dude, Oakland has a lot of talent.

Raw, raw, raw talent.

Heyward-Bey is a bust first of all. No exceptions. I was dead on the money with this guy.

I like Luis Murphy. Chaz Shilens is nothing if he can't stay healthy. I think he is just an over hyped guy.

Michael Bush is better than McFadden. Campbell is not talent. Campbell is a role player that will never win a SB.

Their D has some talent. I like the McClain pick a lot by them. Nnamdi is good like I said. But the rest of the pass D just isn't anything.

Zach Miller is pretty good. Not a top 10 TE but he isn't bad.

Like I've said, they do have some talent, but they have terrible coaching and a terrible base foundation and that is going to keep them around 8-8 or 7-9 this year.

Over-Head
08-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Like what? How is their base foundation at this point better than KC? Don't give me the Jason Campbell stuff, we don't know how he is going to do, and Cassel will be in year 2 with KC, with more talent. What makes them stand out?

Dude, less weed more filter :thumb:

SenselessChiefsFan
08-01-2010, 11:43 AM
I hate to say it, but with Jason Campbell, the Raiders may be the best team in the division. Although, that isn't saying much for THIS division.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-01-2010, 11:49 AM
I hate to say it, but with Jason Campbell, the Raiders may be the best team in the division. Although, that isn't saying much for THIS division.

We are talking about the same Jason Cambell that was benched for poor play against KC's defense last year. It is SanDiego's division to lose with the edge they have with Rivers at QB.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-01-2010, 03:05 PM
We are talking about the same Jason Cambell that was benched for poor play against KC's defense last year. It is SanDiego's division to lose with the edge they have with Rivers at QB.

I am not saying that Jason Campbell is a 'great' qb, but he could very well be the second best QB in the division.

San Diego is having a lot of hold outs and is getting old fairly quickly.

BossChief
08-01-2010, 03:32 PM
he scares me about as much as Kerry Collins did.

kcxiv
08-01-2010, 04:35 PM
The Raiders just aren't as good as some Chiefs fans want them to be. I think we feel that Oakland needs to be brought back from the dead, because our "rivalry" is pathetic at this point.

NO one wants them to be good at least no Chiefs fans, but some of us realize that they have some good players and they can be good. I wouldnt be shocked if they took the Division this year. They have some really nice players on that team.

With that being said, i hope they finish last. lol

Ugly Duck
08-01-2010, 04:54 PM
It is San Diego's division to lose

True... but they do have some important holdouts. And Merriman just hasn't been the same after going off the roids.

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TheGuardian
08-01-2010, 04:58 PM
NO one wants them to be good at least no Chiefs fans, but some of us realize that they have some good players and they can be good. I wouldnt be shocked if they took the Division this year. They have some really nice players on that team.

With that being said, i hope they finish last. lol

Who? That team isn't any more talented than the Chiefs. The Raiders have sucked for a long time for a reason.

Jason Campbell isn't a difference maker and was traded away for a reason. The guy is as scary as fighting a 12 year boy with high estrogen levels.

Ugly Duck
08-01-2010, 06:32 PM
The guy (Campbell) is as scary as fighting a 12 year boy with high estrogen levels.

That's why we're so excited.... he's better than Jamarcus!

RealSNR
08-01-2010, 06:37 PM
I would take Jason Campbell over Matt Cassel right now.

Let that not be as much of an insult towards Matt Cassel as it is a compliment to Jason Campbell. He's quite good, and had he had some competent leadership in the front office/coaching ranks, he could have had a much more illustrious NFL career than he's had up to this point.

TheGuardian
08-01-2010, 06:51 PM
I would take Jason Campbell over Matt Cassel right now.

Let that not be as much of an insult towards Matt Cassel as it is a compliment to Jason Campbell. He's quite good, and had he had some competent leadership in the front office/coaching ranks, he could have had a much more illustrious NFL career than he's had up to this point.

Campbell is not quite good at all. I'm guessing you've never watched him play. I know your response will be that you have, but if that's the case then you just don't know much about football.

RealSNR
08-01-2010, 07:06 PM
Campbell is not quite good at all. I'm guessing you've never watched him play. I know your response will be that you have, but if that's the case then you just don't know much about football.For the shit hands that he's dealt, he does a remarkable job. He takes care of the football, doesn't get injured (at least not the past couple seasons) and has a passer rating in the mid 80s the past two years.

All that with no line, no running game, a retard for a head coach, a new playbook every season, all while trying to figure out and learn the game himself. It's not like he's a grizzled veteran trying to produce these numbers.

I HAVE seen him play. I've seen him have shit games. I've also seen him deliver the ball with accuracy and make smart decisions on the field. He's better than you think, and if you think he sucks, then (uhp... wait for it...) you don't know much about football at all.

Woah, see what I just did there? I can play that retarded game too.

Hootie
08-01-2010, 08:01 PM
Campbell is about the perfect example of a league average QB.

He does some things well, he does some things poorly.

He works hard and seems to have the respect of his teammates.

I'd take him over Cassel anyday and I suspect that will be established in all its glory this season.

ROFL

That's funny.

If Campbell were my choice over Cassel I'd rather just let Brodie throw the fucking football...

Campbell is a nothing.

Cassel has more upside and a better work ethic than Campbell...and if you don't think that's true than you're an idiot.

Aries Walker
08-01-2010, 08:03 PM
Having the advantage of living in the DC area, and listening to every morning-drive talk-radio and news-channel sports-dude talk about nothing but Campbell for the last three years, my opinion is that he's just not that great. He's good, but not great; he's apparently a super-nice guy (odd fit for the Raiders), but he's maddeningly inconsistent.

If nothing else, it will be fun to see the Raider Nation repeatedly call for his head on a pike after Campbell lays an egg against someone like the Rams.

Ugly Duck
08-01-2010, 10:02 PM
ROFL

Cassel has more upside and a better work ethic than Campbell...and if you don't think that's true than you're an idiot.

I can't find one derogatory statement about Campbell's work ethic anywhere on Google. Do you have a link for me?

TheGuardian
08-02-2010, 07:50 AM
For the shit hands that he's dealt, he does a remarkable job. He takes care of the football, doesn't get injured (at least not the past couple seasons) and has a passer rating in the mid 80s the past two years.

All that with no line, no running game, a retard for a head coach, a new playbook every season, all while trying to figure out and learn the game himself. It's not like he's a grizzled veteran trying to produce these numbers.

I HAVE seen him play. I've seen him have shit games. I've also seen him deliver the ball with accuracy and make smart decisions on the field. He's better than you think, and if you think he sucks, then (uhp... wait for it...) you don't know much about football at all.

Woah, see what I just did there? I can play that retarded game too.

Apparently you can't.

He had a very good line while he was there for one. With Jansen anchoring one side while Samuels did the other.

Second, in 07 and 08 Portis went for 1262 and 1487 yards rushing.

So how did he have no running game? And even with a good line and solid ground game he was still mediocre to poor. And we're not talking about a second year guy 08 was his 4th year in the league.

Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

MOhillbilly
08-02-2010, 07:54 AM
i watched campbell play from day one. kid has skills. anyone who says diffErent is ****ing retarded.

TheGuardian
08-02-2010, 08:55 AM
i watched campbell play from day one. kid has skills. anyone who says diffErent is ****ing retarded.

Well he's in the NFL so he has some skills. Is he a GOOD QB? No. He's the walking definition of average NFL quarterback.

MOhillbilly
08-02-2010, 09:10 AM
Well he's in the NFL so he has some skills. Is he a GOOD QB? No. He's the walking definition of average NFL quarterback.

maybe hes average cause the kids had 5 diffrent OC and systems. Facts are he has good vision, a good feel for the pocket, can run and has a rocket for an arm.

TheGuardian
08-02-2010, 09:14 AM
maybe hes average cause the kids had 5 diffrent OC and systems. Facts are he has good vision, a good feel for the pocket, can run and has a rocket for an arm.

If he were that good he's not traded from a QB starving team, that just traded for a twilight years McNabb ok? This whole "we're scared of how good Campbell is" thing is fucking stupid. The guy is average. Done.

MOhillbilly
08-02-2010, 09:27 AM
If he were that good he's not traded from a QB starving team, that just traded for a twilight years McNabb ok? This whole "we're scared of how good Campbell is" thing is ****ing stupid. The guy is average. Done.

man you dont know shit about washingtons owner and what a crazy fuck he is.
done.

DJ's left nut
08-02-2010, 09:38 AM
ROFL

That's funny.

If Campbell were my choice over Cassel I'd rather just let Brodie throw the ****ing football...

Campbell is a nothing.

Cassel has more upside and a better work ethic than Campbell...and if you don't think that's true than you're an idiot.

I'd take Croyle over both of them as well.

But you're also completely full of shit. Campbell has been constantly lauded for his work ethic. He has never, in his entire career (college or pro) run the same offense for 2 consecutive seasons. Despite that he's made himself a 1st round pick and a passable NFL QB. I'd say that speaks pretty strongly to his work ethic.

Upside? Neither guy has much of one. At their respective absolute apex, they're both just system QBs (though Campbell can at least get the ball downfield, his arm is significantly better). To say that one of them unquestionably has more upside than the other is just assinine.

Then again, I have to consider the source...