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Frankie
08-06-2010, 11:36 AM
http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93903?fp=1

There's no doubt that Winston Churchill had his share of secrets. When you're leading a world power during wartime, classified information come with the territory. But did one of his closely held secrets have to do with "little green men"? A new report contends that the English Bulldog may have played a part in a UFO cover-up.

It's a conspiracy theory worthy of the "X-Files," and it goes like this: Churchill, then the prime minister, apparently ordered a cover-up of an encounter between a Royal Air Force bomber and an unidentified flying object during World War II. The reason: Churchill feared that news of the incident would create public panic and a loss of faith in religion.

The Daily Telegraph explains that Churchill is reported to "have made the orders during a secret war meeting with U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower, the then commander of the Allied Forces, at an undisclosed location in America during the latter part of the conflict." He ordered that the information remain secret for a period of 50 years.

Video rewind: UFO sighted over Chinese airport

So, who is claiming that Churchill ordered the cover-up? The U.K.'s National Archives, which hosts the newly released documents, works through how the news came to light.

Apparently, Churchill's order was overheard by one of his bodyguards. The man, also a member of the Royal Air Force, kept the secret to himself for years, but told his daughter at some point, and told his wife on his deathbed in 1973. The man's daughter later told her son (the bodyguard's grandson, for those of you keeping score), and he inquired about the incident with the Ministry of Defense in 1999. That inquiry made it into the files that were made public on Thursday.

According to the report, the crew of the plane did manage to take photographs of the UFO, which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released.

Decades later, it's still not known if the UFO was actually a UFO or something more earthbound. Initially, some theorized that the object was a missile. However, a weapons expert, who was present at the infamous meeting, was reported to have remarked that no missile could stop and hover. Such a thing was "totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time."

Not surprisingly, the report inspired an avalanche of Web searches. Online lookups for "churchill ufo" and "churchill ufo coverup" both shot skyward, posting breakout gains in the Search box. If Churchill did indeed intend for this to be kept quiet, he did a good job for a long time. But now, the UFO is out of the bag... big time.

Pants
08-06-2010, 11:51 AM
Interesting stuff. Would be nice to see the photos.

Donger
08-06-2010, 11:52 AM
Foo Fighters.

blaise
08-06-2010, 11:53 AM
Until I see photos, whatever.

DaneMcCloud
08-06-2010, 11:54 AM
July 8, 1947.

The day that life as we knew it changed forever.

Donger
08-06-2010, 11:55 AM
July 8, 1947.

The day that life as we knew it changed forever.

A weather balloon changed life?

DaneMcCloud
08-06-2010, 11:59 AM
A weather balloon changed life?

LMAO

HonestChieffan
08-06-2010, 11:59 AM
Churchill put a hit on Elvis.

Param
08-06-2010, 12:06 PM
"which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released."

I would like to see the photos if the UFO was that close to the pilot.

Bwana
08-06-2010, 01:07 PM
http://www.pocomoketattler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tinfoil.jpg

Discuss Thrower
08-06-2010, 01:26 PM
July 8, 1947.

The day that life as we knew it changed forever.

August 25, 1974 disagrees with you.

To: All Deneb Team Members
From: JS
Date: 23 Mar 92
Subject: Research Findings on the Chihuahua Disk Crash
Text:

On 25 Aug 74, at 2207 hrs, US Air Defense radar detected an unknown
approaching US airspace from the Gulf of Mexico. Originally the
object was tracked at 2,200 (2530 mph) knots on a bearing of 325
degrees and at an altitude of 75,000 feet, a course that would
intercept US territory about forty miles southwest of Corpus
Cristi, Texas. After approximately sixty seconds of observation,
at a position 155 miles southeast of Corpus Cristi, the object
simultaneously decelerated to approximately 1700 (1955 mph) knots,
turned to a heading of 290 degrees, and began a slow descent. It
entered Mexican airspace approximately forty miles south of
Brownsville, Texas. Radar tracked it approximately 500 miles to a
point near the town of Coyame, in the state of Chihuahua, not far
from the US border. There the object suddenly disappeared from the
radar screens.

During the flight over Mexican airspace, the object leveled off at
45,000 feet, then descended to 20,000 feet. The descent was in
level steps, not a smooth curve or straight line, and each level
was maintained for approximately five minutes.

The object was tracked by two different military radar
installations. It would have been within range of Brownsville
civilian radar, but it is assumed that no civilian radar detected
the object due to a lack of any such reports.

The point of disappearance from the radar screens was over a barren
and sparsely populated area of Northern Mexico. At first it was
assumed that the object had descended below the radar's horizon and
a watch was kept for any re-emergence of the object. None
occurred.

At first it was assumed that the object might be a meteor because
of the high speed and descending flight path. But meteors normally
travel at higher speeds, and descend in a smooth arc, not in
"steps." And meteors do not normally make a thirty-five degree
change in course. Shortly after detection an air defense alert was
called. However, before any form of interception could be
scrambled, the object turned to a course that would not immediately
take it over US territory. The alert was called off within twenty
minutes after the object's disappearance from the radar screen.

Fifty-two minutes after the disappearance, civilian radio traffic
indicated that a civilian aircraft had gone down in that area. But
it was clear that the missing aircraft had departed El Paso
International with a destination of Mexico City, and could not,
therefore, have been the object tracked over the Gulf of Mexico.

It was noted, however, that they both disappeared in the same area
and at the same time.

With daylight the next day, Mexican authorities began a search for
the missing plane. Approximately 1035 hrs there came a radio
report that wreckage from the missing plane had been spotted from
the air. Almost immediately came a report of a second plane on the
ground a few miles from the first. A few minutes later an
additional report stated that the second "plane" was circular
shaped and apparently in one piece although damaged. A few minutes
after that the Mexican military clamped a radio silence on all
search efforts.

The radio interceptions were reported through channels to the CIA.
Possibly as many as two additional government agencies also
received reports, but such has not been confirmed as of this date.
The CIA immediately began forming a recovery team. The speed with
which this team and its equipment was assembled suggests that this
was either a well-rehearsed exercise or one that had been performed
prior to this event.

In the meantime requests were initiated at the highest levels
between the United States and Mexican governments that the US
recovery team be allowed onto Mexican territory to "assist." These
requests were met with professed ignorance and a flat refusal of
any cooperation.

By 2100 hrs, 26 Aug 74, the recovery team had assembled and been
staged at Fort Bliss. Several helicopters were flown in from some
unknown source and assembled in a secured area. These helicopters
were painted a neutral sand color and bore no markings. Eye
witness indicates that there were three smaller craft, very
probably UHl Hueys from the description. There was also a larger
helicopter, possibly a Sea Stallion. Personnel from this team
remained with their craft and had no contact with other Ft. Bliss
personnel.

Satellite and recognizance aircraft overflight that day indicated
that both the crashed disk and the civilian aircraft had been
removed from the crash sites and loaded on flat bed trucks. Later
flights confirmed that the convoy had departed the area heading
south.

At that point the CIA had to make a choice, either to allow this
unknown aircraft to stay in the hands of the Mexican government, or
to launch the recovery team, supplemented by any required military
support, to take the craft. There occurred, however, an event that
took the choice out of their hands. High altitude overflights
indicated that the convoy had stopped before reaching any inhabited
areas or major roads. Recon showed no activity, and radio contact
between the Mexican recovery team and its headquarters had ceased.
A low altitude, high speed overflight was ordered.

The photos returned by that aircraft showed all trucks and jeeps
stopped, some with open doors, and two human bodies laying on the
ground beside two vehicles. The decision was immediately made to
launch the recovery team but the actual launching was held up for
the arrival of additional equipment and two additional personnel.
It was not until 1438 hrs that the helicopters departed Ft. Bliss.

The four helicopters followed the boarder down towards Presido then
turned and entered Mexican airspace north of Candelaria. They were
over the convoy site at 1653 hrs. All convoy personnel were dead,
most within the trucks. Some recovery team members, dressed
bioprotection suits, reconfigured the straps holding the object on
the flatbed truck, then attached them to a cargo cable from the Sea
Stallion. By 1714 hrs the recovered object was on its way to US
territory. Before leaving the convoy site, members of the recovery
team gathered together the Mexican vehicles and bodies, then
destroyed all with high explosives. This included the pieces of
the civilian light plane which had been involved in the mid-air
collision. At 1746 hrs the Hueys departed.

The Hueys caught up with the Sea Stallion as it reentered US
airspace. The recovery team then proceeded to a point in the
Davis Mountains, approximately twenty-five miles north east of
Valentine. There they landed and waited until 0225 hrs the next
morning. At that time they resumed the flight and rendezvoused
with a small convoy on a road between Van Horn and Kent. The
recovered disk was transferred to a truck large enough to handle it
and capable of being sealed totally. Some of the personnel from
the Huey's transferred to the convoy.

All helicopters then returned to their original bases for
decontamination procedures. The convoy continued non-stop, using
back roads and smaller highways, and staying away from cities. The
destination of the convoy reportedly was Altanta, Georgia.

Here the hard evidence thins out. One unconfirmed report says the
disk was eventually transferred to Wright-Patterson AF Base.
Another says that the disk was either transferred after that to
another unnamed base, or was taken directly to this unknown base
directly from Atlanta.

The best description of the disk was that it was sixteen feet, five
inches in diameter, convex on both upper and lower surfaces to the
same degree, possessing no visible doors or windows. The thickness
was slightly less than five feet. The color was silver, much like
polished steel. There were no visible lights nor any propulsion
means. There were no markings. There were two areas of the rim
that showed damage, one showing an irregular hole approximately
twelve inches in diameter with indented material around it. The
other damage was described as a "dent" about two feet wide. The
weight of the object was estimated as approximately one thousand,
five hundred pounds, based on the effect of the weight on the
carrying helicopter and those who transferred it to the truck.

There was no indication in the documentation available as to
whether anything was visible in the "hole."

It seems likely that the damage with the hole was caused by the
collision with the civilian aircraft. That collision occurred
while the object was traveling approximately 1700 knots (1955 mph).
Even ignoring the speed of the civilian aircraft, the impact would
have been considerable at that speed. This is in agreement with
the description of the civilian aircraft as being "almost totally
destroyed." What was being taken from the crash site was pieces of
the civilian aircraft.

The second damage may have resulted when the object impacted with
the ground. The speed in that case should have been considerably
less than that of the first impact.

No mention is made of the occupants of the civilian aircraft. It
is not known if any body or bodies were recovered. Considering the
destruction of the civilian light aircraft in mid-air, bodies may
well not have come down near the larger pieces.

Unfortunately what caused the deaths of the Mexican recovery team
is not known. Speculation ranges from a chemical released from the
disk as a result of the damage, to a microbiological agent. There
are no indications of death or illness by any of the recovery team.
It would not have been illogical for the recovery team to have
taken one of the bodies back with them for anaylsis. But there is
no indication of that having happen. Perhaps they did not have
adquate means of transporting what might have been a biologically
contaminated body.

petegz28
08-06-2010, 01:36 PM
"which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released."

I would like to see the photos if the UFO was that close to the pilot.

Several pilots, commercial and military, along with air traffic controllers have reported several legitimate UFO sightings and encounters for decades. They are quickly shoved under the rug, personel told not to talk and we get stories of weather baloons and hovering missiles.

Now call me crazy, but I don't think any ole' whackjob is allowed behind the controls of aircraft. These are credible, intelligent people.

Donger
08-06-2010, 01:41 PM
August 25, 1974 disagrees with you.

Great. More illegal aliens from Mexico.

DaneMcCloud
08-06-2010, 01:51 PM
Great. More illegal aliens from Mexico.

Yeah but those guys were really illegal

Donger
08-06-2010, 01:53 PM
Yeah but those guys were really illegal

I, for one, welcome our new Overlords.

Pants
08-06-2010, 01:55 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Overlords.

Did you ever reveal what the object over China was?

Donger
08-06-2010, 01:59 PM
Did you ever reveal what the object over China was?

No.

Pants
08-06-2010, 02:00 PM
No.
Ok.

greg63
08-06-2010, 02:15 PM
Here we go proof positive!

http://a.imageshack.us/img251/1594/buck9.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-06-2010, 03:21 PM
Bring on the next phase of our interplanetary Masters; I want my fucking hovercar.

Piss on you, Oil.
Piss on your head.

JohnnyV13
08-06-2010, 03:51 PM
Don't you people know?

The oil companies are conspiring to quell knowledge of the perpetual motion engines that the aliens use, to protect their market share.

THey're in collusion with the pharmacuedical companies who want to stop the alien cancer cure.

DaneMcCloud
08-06-2010, 03:57 PM
Don't you people know?

The oil companies are conspiring to quell knowledge of the perpetual motion engines that the aliens use, to protect their market share.

THey're in collusion with the pharmacuedical companies who want to stop the alien cancer cure.

No duh

Param
08-06-2010, 04:04 PM
Several pilots, commercial and military, along with air traffic controllers have reported several legitimate UFO sightings and encounters for decades. They are quickly shoved under the rug, personel told not to talk and we get stories of weather baloons and hovering missiles.

Now call me crazy, but I don't think any ole' whackjob is allowed behind the controls of aircraft. These are credible, intelligent people.

I do wonder sometimes if aliens out there are sending probs or satellite type spacecraft to monitor or check out the planet. For all these sightings, these could be just machines with no pilots scouting our planet. It's no different than what we do in sending vehicles to Saturn's moon or to the planet mars. The key difference would be their spacecraft is far more advance and maybe the point of the probe or vehicle is just a one way ticket.

beach tribe
08-06-2010, 04:10 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Overlords.

"We'll make great pets"

beach tribe
08-06-2010, 04:14 PM
I do wonder sometimes if aliens out there are sending probs or satellite type spacecraft to monitor or check out the planet. For all these sightings, these could be just machines with no pilots scouting our planet. It's no different than what we do in sending vehicles to Saturn's moon or to the planet mars. The key difference would be their spacecraft is far more advance and maybe the point of the probe or vehicle is just a one way ticket.

Of course they are.

We would do it. Can you imagine how much more advanced a civilization that is a 1000 times older than ours would be? 1,000,000?

We can already grasp some of the physics it takes to travel the extreme distances of space, and that is the only obstacle. Albeit an extremely tough one.

Molitoth
08-06-2010, 04:19 PM
Churchill feared that news of the incident would create public panic and a loss of faith in religion.

The exact reason this is all covered up by governments. With no religion it loses it's best form of control.

Param
08-06-2010, 04:36 PM
Of course they are.

We would do it. Can you imagine how much more advanced a civilization that is a 1000 times older than ours would be? 1,000,000?

We can already grasp some of the physics it takes to travel the extreme distances of space, and that is the only obstacle. Albeit an extremely tough one.

I think that's really the key. We would do it if we could. It does make you wonder what aliens would be doing with the data after discovering earth. Also, maybe they have the same problems as we do. If you're sending a spacecraft that has to travel such a long distance maybe it can only go one way. Hope they're not building a ton of large ships on a one way mission to colonize our planet. Most likely will not happen in my lifetime anyway, but you never know.

Frankie
08-06-2010, 05:04 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Overlords.

Earth base to Zargon! Earth base to Zargon! .... I've been discovered. Request backup...

Donger
08-06-2010, 05:05 PM
If you people only knew what "they" really are.

petegz28
08-06-2010, 05:18 PM
Of course they are.

We would do it. Can you imagine how much more advanced a civilization that is a 1000 times older than ours would be? 1,000,000?

We can already grasp some of the physics it takes to travel the extreme distances of space, and that is the only obstacle. Albeit an extremely tough one.

This is an excellent point I have made several times, to only be met with the jest of others. The odds favor their being intelligent civilizations light years (no pun intended) ahead of us in technology. Some seem to latch onto a belief that since we as humans on earth are unable to meet such technological obstacles that any other civilization out there could not possibly have conquered such. And that is pure hooey. The only thing preventing us from traveling extreme distances in reasonable amounts of time is our own lack of knowledge. The ability is there and the technology can exist. But we are not that old of a species. As you point out someone who is advance by thousands if not millions of years ahead of us has probably alreay mastered this technology. If anything for the survival of their own species as we know stars and planets do die. Therefore a race of beings so old would have to have mastered such or suffer the fate of their planets and stars.

Discuss Thrower
08-06-2010, 05:23 PM
If you people only knew what "they" really are.

OOooooOoh, spooky cryptic Donger. (Or is it cryptically spooky?)

Do tell. Are these UFOs extremely advanced human made aircraft harnessing some sort of gravity repulsing technology that allows them to move in such ways?

Are they an infectious cultural meme where people think they see crashed alien spacecraft when in reality it's a weather balloon?

Or are they time traveling craft from Earth's future with travelers that are descendants who have evolved to such a hideous extent that they are noseless, earless, grey skinned midgets who have a penchant for anal probing, which is actually their most efficient means of gathering genetic data to try and rehabilitate their damaged bodies?

I really wanna know.

Donger
08-06-2010, 05:28 PM
OOooooOoh, spooky cryptic Donger. (Or is it cryptically spooky?)

Do tell. Are these UFOs extremely advanced human made aircraft harnessing some sort of gravity repulsing technology that allows them to move in such ways?

Are they an infectious cultural meme where people think they see crashed alien spacecraft when in reality it's a weather balloon?

Or are they time traveling craft from Earth's future with travelers that are descendants who have evolved to such a hideous extent that they are noseless, earless, grey skinned midgets who have a penchant for anal probing, which is actually their most efficient means of gathering genetic data to try and rehabilitate their damaged bodies?

I really wanna know.

Which scenario do you think is most likely?

petegz28
08-06-2010, 05:33 PM
Which scenario do you think is most likely?

I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole the other night and it had a pretty radical but yet very possible explanation for our universe. Everything in our universe can ultimately be broken down into pixels. One scientist proposed an admitedly radical theory that it is not impossible that our universe is a very, very advanced computer program, for lack of a better term. Very similar to Sim City but on a much, much more advanced scale. It cannot be ruled out since the data he provides is fairly sound in the theory. But as I said, he seemed to admit it is a pretty radical thought.

Donger
08-06-2010, 05:34 PM
I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole the other night and it had a pretty radical but yet very possible explanation for our universe. Everything in our universe can ultimately be broken down into pixels. One scientist proposed an admitedly radical theory that it is not impossible that our universe is a very, very advanced computer program, for lack of a better term. Very similar to Sim City but on a much, much more advanced scale. It cannot be ruled out since the data he provides is fairly sound in the theory. But as I said, he seemed to admit it is a pretty radical thought.

Someone has seen Tron a few times too many.

petegz28
08-06-2010, 05:37 PM
Someone has seen Tron a few times too many.

Or the Matrix.

Discuss Thrower
08-06-2010, 05:46 PM
Which scenario do you think is most likely?

Cultural meme gone awry.

It cannot be aliens because there is no cover up. There's no cover-up because there is nothing to cover up. There's nothing to cover up because if there was something to cover up it wouldn't stay that way for too long. Hiding the existence of aliens and their spacecraft would require silence from too many people; somebody would blow the whistle eventually.

It cannot be future humans because time travel is only possible in one direction (IE, time dilation due to reaching speed of light.)

petegz28
08-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Cultural meme gone awry.

It cannot be aliens because there is no cover up. There's no cover-up because there is nothing to cover up. There's nothing to cover up because if there was something to cover up it wouldn't stay that way for too long. Hiding the existence of aliens and their spacecraft would require silence from too many people; somebody would blow the whistle eventually.

It cannot be future humans because time travel is only possible in one direction (IE, time dilation due to reaching speed of light.)

This is an assumption based on our knowledge of physics.

Donger
08-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Cultural meme gone awry.

It cannot be aliens because there is no cover up. There's no cover-up because there is nothing to cover up. There's nothing to cover up because if there was something to cover up it wouldn't stay that way for too long. Hiding the existence of aliens and their spacecraft would require silence from too many people; somebody would blow the whistle eventually.

It cannot be future humans because time travel is only possible in one direction (IE, time dilation due to reaching speed of light.)

What if time can simply be avoided?

Pants
08-06-2010, 05:54 PM
What if time can simply be avoided?

lol ur dum

ps i know what you think the object over china was and thats not it

Donger
08-06-2010, 05:55 PM
lol ur dum

ps i know what you think the object over china was and thats not it

No, you don't.

petegz28
08-06-2010, 05:58 PM
What if time can simply be avoided?

That's an interesting question.

DaneMcCloud
08-06-2010, 05:59 PM
What if time can simply be avoided?

I try to avoid it as much as possible resulting in my being late for everything

Pants
08-06-2010, 06:01 PM
No, you don't.

Yes, I do.

Donger
08-06-2010, 06:04 PM
I try to avoid it as much as possible resulting in my being late for everything

LMAO

Donger
08-06-2010, 06:04 PM
Yes, I do.

Okay, what do you think I think the China UFO was/is?

Discuss Thrower
08-06-2010, 06:05 PM
What if time can simply be avoided?

If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."

Pants
08-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Okay, what do you think I think the China UFO was/is?

A time-avoiding craft.

Donger
08-06-2010, 06:06 PM
If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."

I'm just trolling.

Donger
08-06-2010, 06:08 PM
A time-avoiding craft.

That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Discuss Thrower
08-06-2010, 06:15 PM
That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Reflection of street lights off of a thick smog layer?

I'd buy that.

Pants
08-06-2010, 06:15 PM
That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Especially over Hung Joe.

beach tribe
08-06-2010, 06:16 PM
I think that's really the key. We would do it if we could. It does make you wonder what aliens would be doing with the data after discovering earth. Also, maybe they have the same problems as we do. If you're sending a spacecraft that has to travel such a long distance maybe it can only go one way. Hope they're not building a ton of large ships on a one way mission to colonize our planet. Most likely will not happen in my lifetime anyway, but you never know.

You know who I feel sorry for? The poor bastards on the planet that we find in about 250 years.
Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that there are other, more advanced, civilizations, and that they send probes here. I do have my reservations about whether they would try to come and take our planet, because if they've been watching, they would know that we'd blow the MFer up before we'd let anybody come take it from us.

Donger
08-06-2010, 06:20 PM
Reflection of street lights off of a thick smog layer?

I'd buy that.

No, it is a helicopter.

Pants
08-06-2010, 06:39 PM
No, it is a helicopter.

A 234UT in the foggy skies over Hung Joe!

beach tribe
08-06-2010, 06:40 PM
If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."
Can time be traveled? No.
Can it be bent? Yes. Right along with space.
To travel extreme distances, space-time will have to be compressed in front of you, and expanded behind you. In essence, you could travel faster than light, and never break the theory of relativity, because you really would not be moving at all. This also solves the problem of leaving earth for 5 years at 95% the speed of light, and returning to earth 40 years into the future.
This is not science fiction. Scientists are already speculating on how it will be made possible, and the theory of relativity says that is, indeed, possible.

Donger
08-06-2010, 07:02 PM
A 234UT in the foggy skies over Hung Joe!

I don't know what any of that means.

Pants
08-06-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't know what any of that means.

Hangzhou [hungdzhue] = Hung Joe. 234UT = helicopter! Maybe BV-234? Who knows!

Ebolapox
08-06-2010, 07:16 PM
I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole the other night and it had a pretty radical but yet very possible explanation for our universe. Everything in our universe can ultimately be broken down into pixels. One scientist proposed an admitedly radical theory that it is not impossible that our universe is a very, very advanced computer program, for lack of a better term. Very similar to Sim City but on a much, much more advanced scale. It cannot be ruled out since the data he provides is fairly sound in the theory. But as I said, he seemed to admit it is a pretty radical thought.

douglas adams called. he says you stole his idea.

Param
08-06-2010, 07:25 PM
You know who I feel sorry for? The poor bastards on the planet that we find in about 250 years.
Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that there are other, more advanced, civilizations, and that they send probes here. I do have my reservations about whether they would try to come and take our planet, because if they've been watching, they would know that we'd blow the MFer up before we'd let anybody come take it from us.

Yes, because humans would show no pity on another life form, especially if it was inferior.

I, as well, have no doubt alien life form exist out there. If you just run simple calculations the possibility another life form exist is very high. My only reason as to why they would come & colonize our planet is because they are somehow out of resources and need a new planet to live & harvest. Obviously, if their tech and their intelligence is superior to ours, they would probably know it's probably not the easiest place to colonize because they would face resistance. Might just be easier to find another planet with less resistance and free to do as they please. Maybe war & extermination is not their goal since they would be highly more advance than us.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-07-2010, 12:30 PM
If you people only knew what "they" really are.

Genetically engineered monkeys who do the bidding of their humanoid masters FTW!

Fish
08-07-2010, 02:32 PM
Yes, because humans would show no pity on another life form, especially if it was inferior.

I, as well, have no doubt alien life form exist out there. If you just run simple calculations the possibility another life form exist is very high. My only reason as to why they would come & colonize our planet is because they are somehow out of resources and need a new planet to live & harvest. Obviously, if their tech and their intelligence is superior to ours, they would probably know it's probably not the easiest place to colonize because they would face resistance. Might just be easier to find another planet with less resistance and free to do as they please. Maybe war & extermination is not their goal since they would be highly more advance than us.

If another civilization has evolved and advanced to the point they are traveling vast distances across space, then it's a pretty good assumption that their technology would surpass ours to the point that we could offer no resistance at all. If an alien species has overcome the technological requirements of having energy output necessary for long distance space travel, then it's a reasonable assumption that they also have the ability to create weapons and defense systems that we can't even conceive of. We likely wouldn't have much of a chance at all.

crossbow
08-07-2010, 04:30 PM
http://www.eyepod.org/AM-4-11-3-5.html

For what its worth.

Discuss Thrower
08-07-2010, 05:08 PM
http://www.eyepod.org/AM-4-11-3-5.html

For what its worth.

Reads a lot like a social commentary about humans. Namely, the divide between developed and developing cultures.