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healthpellets
08-12-2010, 04:54 PM
Simple question.

should you wish to discuss you support / opposition, feel free.

alnorth
08-12-2010, 05:09 PM
Very reluctant yes, though employers ought to set aside some sort of smoking area.

Lets pretend for a moment that second-hand smoke doesn't hurt you. I don't believe it, but I dont think that is a necessary debate. The unavoidable truth is that second-hand smoke, even if not harmful, can make the workplace fairly disgusting and intolerable to a lot of non-smokers, and it doesn't take much. Obviously you can say "you can quit your job", but thats not really feasible since you can be very well-established, a few smokers get hired, and now you have to choose between suffering discomfort or starting over from scratch in another job you might have to quit someday? No thanks.

Exceptions for very few places like bars and casinos. Everyone knows smoking goes on in there, it isn't like a corporate office where you are shocked on your first day. If you cant stand cigarette smell, dont work in bars or casinos.

edit: just realized the obvious response might be "what about employers who play loud country music you dont like? You want to ban that too?" in which case I'll probably have to fall back on my "second-hand smoke directly harms my health" argument.

ClevelandBronco
08-12-2010, 05:20 PM
Hell, no.

patteeu
08-12-2010, 05:28 PM
Nope.

BucEyedPea
08-12-2010, 05:40 PM
No

I do support clothing bans though.

BigChiefFan
08-12-2010, 05:56 PM
No. The person PAYING THE BILLS, should decide how they want to run their business, without INTRUSION.

Oucho Cinco
08-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I support smoking bans, I also support no smoking breaks outside of normal breaks.

I get short breaks, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. The typical smoker at my place of business goes out 4-6 times a day at the minimum.

Why subject others to second hand smoke?

HonestChieffan
08-12-2010, 06:36 PM
yes. People should never be trusted to make the right decision. Trust your government.

LOCOChief
08-12-2010, 06:44 PM
Hell No. What a dumbass question, and I don't and never have smoked.

MadMax
08-12-2010, 08:01 PM
I would however support a farting ban.. I was in Walmart the other day and..oh welll never mind. :)

MadMax
08-12-2010, 08:04 PM
No. The person PAYING THE BILLS, should decide how they want to run their business, without INTRUSION.




AMEN!!!

Bill Parcells
08-12-2010, 08:38 PM
You know, I didnt want it to happen when it went down in my state in 2006. I enjoyed smoking a cigar at the bar watching football. and I used to smoke cigs for 20 years.

But I can tell you now that it was the greatest thing they ever did. my clothes dont stink like an ash tray anymore when I get home from the bar. I used to have to air my suits out in the garage from happy hour smoke..lol..dry cleaning doesnt get the smell out.

Last year I was eating breakfast right on the water in fort lauderdale, and this douche was blowing smoke at me while I was eating. there was like 5 people in that place, and that cock sucker had to blow smoke at me while I was eating. I always hated rude shit like that even when I smoked cigarettes. the problem lies in inconsiderate people. they ruin it for everybody.

WV
08-12-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm pretty much anti smoking all around so YES.

Taco John
08-13-2010, 12:34 AM
I am anti smoking, but recognize property rights.

I already had this problem solved by never eating anywhere that allowed indoor smoking.

FD
08-13-2010, 01:44 AM
No.

Mojo Jojo
08-13-2010, 02:46 AM
I like being able to go out and not come home smelling like an ash tray. However I believe in a person's choice. That being said the government makes these kinds of laws...wearing seat belts, motorcycle helmets etc. Where does it end? Lifestyle choices happen. Should the government make it a crime for not having safe sex to prevent Aids? The government believes it knows what is best for you, and you shouldn't be allowed to make that choice except for abortion.

Garcia Bronco
08-13-2010, 08:03 AM
You know, I didnt want it to happen when it went down in my state in 2006. I enjoyed smoking a cigar at the bar watching football. and I used to smoke cigs for 20 years.

But I can tell you now that it was the greatest thing they ever did. my clothes dont stink like an ash tray anymore when I get home from the bar. I used to have to air my suits out in the garage from happy hour smoke..lol..dry cleaning doesnt get the smell out.

Last year I was eating breakfast right on the water in fort lauderdale, and this douche was blowing smoke at me while I was eating. there was like 5 people in that place, and that cock sucker had to blow smoke at me while I was eating. I always hated rude shit like that even when I smoked cigarettes. the problem lies in inconsiderate people. they ruin it for everybody.

This

healthpellets
08-13-2010, 08:29 AM
Last year I was eating breakfast right on the water in fort lauderdale, and this douche was blowing smoke at me while I was eating. there was like 5 people in that place, and that cock sucker had to blow smoke at me while I was eating. I always hated rude shit like that even when I smoked cigarettes. the problem lies in inconsiderate people. they ruin it for everybody.

did you return to that establishment?

Frazod
08-13-2010, 08:33 AM
I wonder how many times has this horse been beat to death, buried and dug up again?

fan4ever
08-13-2010, 08:38 AM
No. The person PAYING THE BILLS, should decide how they want to run their business, without INTRUSION.

Bingo.

You go to your smoke free bar or nightclub and I'll go to mine. What; the smoke free establishments have all gone under? Hmmm.

Flights are different; captured audience.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-13-2010, 08:38 AM
We had a 1500 post thread on this that was one of the most venomous in CP history.

dirk digler
08-13-2010, 08:38 AM
I wonder how many times has this horse been beat to death, buried and dug up again?

No kidding this is like a repost of a repost of a repost. I think there is a 100 page thread around here somewhere on this very subject that got pretty nasty.

Fucking no0bs

Frazod
08-13-2010, 08:43 AM
We had a 1500 post thread on this that was one of the most venomous in CP history.

Sure was fun, though. :evil:

Brock
08-13-2010, 08:50 AM
I wonder how many times has this horse been beat to death, buried and dug up again?

Now WITH POLL!!!

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 08:50 AM
Sure was fun, though. :evil:

Were there any Flying Monkeys in it? ROFL

dirk digler
08-13-2010, 08:51 AM
Good times

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=182707&highlight=smoking

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 08:51 AM
Now WITH POLL!!!

speak of the :evil:

Otter
08-13-2010, 08:52 AM
The malignant spreading tumor known as our government shouldn't be able to dictate whether or not a private business can allow their patrons to smoke inside the business or not. It should be a choice of the guy who's paying the bills.

Except for he occasional cigar I don't smoke so while I actually enjoy the no smoking inside policy it's not for the government to decide.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 08:52 AM
Bingo.

You go to your smoke free bar or nightclub and I'll go to mine. What; the smoke free establishments have all gone under? Hmmm.

Flights are different; captured audience.

I agree.....and the trend was that places were implementing it on their own with either a ban or alternating nights for smokers/non-smokers.
I enjoy the no-smoking but I also like the kind of health rogues that are in places filled with smoke.

talastan
08-13-2010, 09:12 AM
They've been trying to get one going here in Springfield and I don't support it. I smoke an occasional cigar and pipe tobacco. Everyone I talk to that does support it says,"Oh you may not like it now but you'll love it after you see how it works; besides, why should I have to breathe in that stuff?". I respond with the fact that they don't have to frequent those bars and establishments and can even lobby club owners for more smoke free establishments, and they just look at me like I'm from some other planet. It is amazing how far from free market capitalism we really are and how people don't even give it a second thought. :shake:

Hydrae
08-13-2010, 09:29 AM
They've been trying to get one going here in Springfield and I don't support it. I smoke an occasional cigar and pipe tobacco. Everyone I talk to that does support it says,"Oh you may not like it now but you'll love it after you see how it works; besides, why should I have to breathe in that stuff?". I respond with the fact that they don't have to frequent those bars and establishments and can even lobby club owners for more smoke free establishments, and they just look at me like I'm from some other planet. It is amazing how far from free market capitalism we really are and how people don't even give it a second thought. :shake:

Sadly, too true.

Bill Parcells
08-13-2010, 11:42 AM
did you return to that establishment?

I'm going back at the end of September. I dont blame the establishment. it's in FLA and you can prolly smoke in hospitals there I think..lol. it's a restaurant at the hotel on a dock over looking the water. it's outside, but still. this douchebag had 40 other places to fucking smoke, and he had to smoke right by me. he was an inconsiderate fuqstick.

Inspector
08-13-2010, 01:26 PM
I support the property owner making the decision about whether smoking is allowed or not on their property. And that holds true regardless of the substance that's being smoked. IMO.

*BTW, I'm not a smoker

FishingRod
08-13-2010, 02:54 PM
Obviously no person should be allowed to do anything that any other person might be offended by, or could pose any possible heath risk to anyone else.

Lzen
08-13-2010, 03:03 PM
They implemented a smoking ban in Topeka just recently.

Oucho Cinco
08-13-2010, 03:06 PM
I think most of this is being driven by the old attitude of smokers.

It was something like:
If you don't like me blowing smoke in your face, f*ck you.

Now it's against the law in some states to smoke in public places.
I don't feel sorry for the smokers, they had their run of smoking when they wanted and where they wanted for way too long. A different attitude may have made for more of a compromise.

healthpellets
08-13-2010, 03:22 PM
I think most of this is being driven by the old attitude of smokers.

It was something like:
If you don't like me blowing smoke in your face, f*ck you.

Now it's against the law in some states to smoke in public places.
I don't feel sorry for the smokers, they had their run of smoking when they wanted and where they wanted for way too long. A different attitude may have made for more of a compromise.

i don't think you have to feel bad for anyone except the business owners.

Oucho Cinco
08-13-2010, 03:26 PM
i don't think you have to feel bad for anyone except the business owners.

Not really, I will go places now that I wouldn't have before when I consider I don't have to smell smoke for an hour or two.

I don't know the statistics, but I bet business hasn't dropped off as much as you think.

healthpellets
08-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Not really, I will go places now that I wouldn't have before when I consider I don't have to smell smoke for an hour or two.

I don't know the statistics, but I bet business hasn't dropped off as much as you think.

this isn't about profits or business.

i can find statistics supporting a decrease and an increase in business. but that's not important.

and the business owner it really hurts are those who carved out a niche as non-smoking bars. that advantage suddenly disappears overnight.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-13-2010, 03:53 PM
You know, I think.................that I've had this conversation as many times as I'm going too on Chiefsplanet.

greg63
08-14-2010, 11:48 PM
No, because people are going to do it regardless of any ban. I don't smoke, but have seen the effects, first hand, of a smoking ban at the hospital where I work; cigarette butts litter the parameter of the premises as medical and non medical personnel go out to the curb to smoke which is a wonderful visual testament to our towns medical community.

Yeah, I can certainly see how that makes so much more since then an out of the way designated smoking area. :rolleyes:

stevieray
08-15-2010, 01:03 AM
Obviously no person should be allowed to do anything that any other person might be offended by...

this is exactly the course our enemies want us to continue to spoonfeed our children.

we doubt ourselves. they believe it.

the lines being drawn in the sand are getting deeper.

|Zach|
08-15-2010, 01:08 AM
We had a 1500 post thread on this that was one of the most venomous in CP history.

That is saying something.

Oucho Cinco
08-15-2010, 07:32 AM
this isn't about profits or business.

i can find statistics supporting a decrease and an increase in business. but that's not important.

and the business owner it really hurts are those who carved out a niche as non-smoking bars. that advantage suddenly disappears overnight.

Do you have some data to back up that assertion? If I found a business or bar that catered to the non-smoker and started going there on a regular basis I don't think I would stop just because everyone is now in that position. I think loyal customers are going to continue to be just that until the business does something to change their mind.

Besides, if you want to smoke you will find the places that it's still legal to do so.

Hydrae
08-15-2010, 08:56 AM
Do you have some data to back up that assertion? If I found a business or bar that catered to the non-smoker and started going there on a regular basis I don't think I would stop just because everyone is now in that position. I think loyal customers are going to continue to be just that until the business does something to change their mind.

Besides, if you want to smoke you will find the places that it's still legal to do so.

Yes, thank you. I smoke on your street corner, in my car and in my house. Thankfully I do not live in a place that has outlawed smoking in my own car. Yet.

Oucho Cinco
08-15-2010, 12:12 PM
Yes, thank you. I smoke on your street corner, in my car and in my house. Thankfully I do not live in a place that has outlawed smoking in my own car. Yet.

Obama is working on that and it will go into effect just as soon as he quits smoking.