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The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 07:39 PM
Mass extermination for the proles!

Drunken Nation: Russia’s Depopulation Bomb
Nicholas Eberstadt



Aspecter is haunting Russia today. It is not the specter of Communism—that ghost has been chained in the attic of the past—but rather of depopulation—a relentless, unremitting, and perhaps unstoppable depopulation. The mass deaths associated with the Communist era may be history, but another sort of mass death may have only just begun, as Russians practice what amounts to an ethnic self-cleansing.

Since 1992, Russia’s human numbers have been progressively dwindling. This slow motion process now taking place in the country carries with it grim and potentially disastrous implications that threaten to recast the contours of life and society in Russia, to diminish the prospects for Russian economic development, and to affect Russia’s potential influence on the world stage in the years ahead.

Russia has faced this problem at other times during the last century. The first bout of depopulation lasted from 1917 to 1923, and was caused by the upheavals that transformed the Russian Empire into the Soviet Union. The next drop took place between 1933 and 1934, when the country’s population fell by nearly 2 million—or almost 2 percent—as a result of Stalin’s war against the “kulaks” in his forced collectivization of Soviet agriculture. And then, between 1941 and 1946, Russia’s population plummeted by more than 13 million through the cataclysms and catastrophes of World War II.

The current Russian depopulation—which began in 1992 and shows no signs of abating—was, like the previous episodes, also precipitated by events of momentous political significance: the final dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of Communist Party rule. But it differs in three important respects. First, it is by far the longest period of population decline in modern Russian history, having persisted for over twice as long as the decline that followed the Bolshevik Revolution, and well over three times as long as the terrifying depopulation Russia experienced during and immediately after World War II.

Second, unlike all the previous depopulations in Russia, this one has been taking place under what are, within the Russian context, basically orderly social and political circumstances. Terror and war are not the engines for the depopulation Russia is experiencing today, as they have been in the past.

And finally, whereas Russia’s previous depopulations resulted from wild and terrible social paroxysms, they were also clearly temporary in nature. The current crisis, on the other hand, is proceeding gradually and routinely, and thus it is impossible to predict when, or whether, it will finally come to an end.



A comparison dramatizes what is happening in Russia. Between 1976 and 1991, the last sixteen years of Soviet power, the country recorded 36 million births. In the sixteen post-Communist years of 1992–2007, there were just 22.3 million, a drop in childbearing of nearly 40 percent from one era to the next. On the other side of the life cycle, a total of 24.6 million deaths were recorded between 1976 and 1991, while in the first sixteen years of the post-Communist period the Russian Federation tallied 34.7 million deaths, a rise of just over 40 percent. The symmetry is striking: in the last sixteen years of the Communist era, births exceeded deaths in Russia by 11.4 million; in the first sixteen years of the post-Soviet era, deaths exceeded births by 12.4 million.


Nicholas Eberstadt holds the Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy at the American Enterprise Institute and is Senior Adviser to the National Bureau of Asian


http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/articles/2009-Spring/full-Eberstadt.html

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 07:49 PM
Same is true for western Europe...perhaps even for America. The west is dying.

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 07:56 PM
Same is true for western Europe...perhaps even for America. The west is dying.

No doubt. Hey, let's face it---

Here's what happened 1990 to present---

The baby boomers needed people to sell their houses to so they could retire and build another one in Florida or some such shit, so the Federal government imported ten million Mexicans, then had the banks and mortgage brokers lower the standards for them (and all the other knuckleheads who already lived here), the banks then took those mortgages to wall street who tranched them and sold them as securities, so they could get them off the books and lend even more money. Of course the whole thing blew up because the Mexicans and other knuckleheads couldn't afford the over inflated houses they bought.

Thats the truth of what happened.

And now we are all basically ****ed. And nobody is breeding except for Mexicans and muslims.

alnorth
08-13-2010, 08:07 PM
good, the world is overpopulated. To the extent that population declines are a bad thing, it is only "bad" for countries which excessively rely on socialist programs benefitting the elderly (medicare, social security, public pensions). It could be a time bomb that forces the country to make cutbacks and more rational fiscal decisions. It is easy to give away free money if you fool yourself into believing that the kids will pay for it later.

I'll be fine. If population decline or demographic shifts hurt anyone above and beyond the above social programs, it'll be my non-existent kids who suffer.

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:08 PM
good, the world is overpopulated. To the extent that population declines are a bad thing, it is only "bad" for countries which excessively rely on socialist programs benefitting the elderly (medicare, social security, public pensions). It could be a time bomb that forces the country to make cutbacks more rational fiscal decisions.

I'll be fine. If population decline or demographic shifts hurt anyone above and beyond the above social programs, it'll be my non-existent kids who suffer.

I don't think you're gonna have any kids. Just a hunch.

alnorth
08-13-2010, 08:10 PM
I don't think you're gonna have any kids. Just a hunch.

ROFL

did you even read what you bolded?

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:11 PM
ROFL

did you even read what you bolded?

non-existent kids.

?

alnorth
08-13-2010, 08:19 PM
non-existent kids.

?

Yes, therefore your reply was pretty dumb.

It would be like some clueless guy replying to you with: "for some strange reason I get the impression that you might not like Obama, is that correct?"

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:25 PM
Yes, therefore your reply was pretty dumb.

It would be like some clueless guy replying to you with: "for some strange reason I get the impression that you might not like Obama, is that correct?"

Oh, I get it now.

:rolleyes:

what a dick.

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:28 PM
good, the world is overpopulated. To the extent that population declines are a bad thing, it is only "bad" for countries which excessively rely on socialist programs benefitting the elderly (medicare, social security, public pensions). It could be a time bomb that forces the country to make cutbacks more rational fiscal decisions.

I'll be fine. If population decline or demographic shifts hurt anyone above and beyond the above social programs, it'll be my non-existent kids who suffer.

I see. So you're basically here to take all you can, spoil the earth, suck as much cock as you can, and fuck the next generation.

Is that about it?

Al?

AustinChief
08-13-2010, 08:42 PM
I see. So you're basically here to take all you can, spoil the earth, suck as much cock as you can, and fuck the next generation.

Is that about it?

Al?

Sounds about right to me... well, minus the whole cock suckin part... once the game is over, I am headed out to the pub to try to do my best part in f-ing the next generation...

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:47 PM
Sounds about right to me... well, minus the whole cock suckin part... once the game is over, I am headed out to the pub to try to do my best part in f-ing the next generation...

Let me guess, you have non-existent kids, too?

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 08:52 PM
And nobody is breeding except for Mexicans and muslims.

Well, they're pro-life and religious.

The west is pro-choice and secular.

Conservatives are winning!

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 08:53 PM
...I am headed out to the pub to try to do my best part in f-ing the next generation...

child molester

The Mad Crapper
08-13-2010, 08:59 PM
Well, they're pro-life and religious.

The west is pro-choice and secular.

Conservatives are winning!

I used to think the same thing, but I think the reason why Mexicans have better marriage stats than blacks is because they get a two-fer from the anchor baby.

alnorth
08-13-2010, 09:04 PM
I see. So you're basically here to take all you can, spoil the earth, suck as much cock as you can, and **** the next generation.

Is that about it?

Al?

1) Do you have some kind of weird dick-sucking fetish? No idea where that came from.

2) The rest of your reply is borderline retarded, completely missing my point. What we have is a ponzi scheme where we are giving ourselves way too much money, and paying for it with future generations.

My solution is, don't count on the next generation paying for it, how about we have a little less socialism. If anything, *YOU* seem to want to screw the next generation with your response. I mean, it seems the idea of cutting social security, medicare, etc so the next generation isn't stuck with our bills triggered some hostility.

What are you, some kind of far-left liberal?

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 09:04 PM
I used to think the same thing, but I think the reason why Mexicans have better marriage stats than blacks is because they get a two-fer from the anchor baby.

I think it's because Mexicans are Roman Catholic. They're big on family.
A market researcher once told me you don't feature one alone in an ad but with always with at least some family. It worked better.

healthpellets
08-13-2010, 09:13 PM
Your headline is irrelevant at best.

What does atheism have to do with the story at all?

alnorth
08-13-2010, 09:15 PM
Your headline is irrelevant at best.

What does atheism have to do with the story at all?

People who don't believe in invisible men are ruining america.

alnorth
08-13-2010, 09:20 PM
I think it's because Mexicans are Roman Catholic. They're big on family.
A market researcher once told me you don't feature one alone in an ad but with always with at least some family. It worked better.

yep, the church isn't having a lot of success with recruitment. They need those who are still sticking with them to have huge families. Catholicism is very prevalent among latinos.

Not surprisingly, the American catholic church is in favor of amnesty.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2010, 09:32 PM
yep, the church isn't having a lot of success with recruitment. They need those who are still sticking with them to have huge families. Catholicism is very prevalent among latinos.
But they're having a lot of success in countries in the poor and third world countries. They're actually growing there.

Not surprisingly, the American catholic church is in favor of amnesty.

I didn't know that. Good thing it's not the Pope speaking ex cathedra on faith and morals. I imagine Catholic Conservatives don't agree.

go bowe
08-13-2010, 11:19 PM
1) Do you have some kind of weird dick-sucking fetish? No idea where that came from.

2) The rest of your reply is borderline retarded, completely missing my point. What we have is a ponzi scheme where we are giving ourselves way too much money, and paying for it with future generations.

My solution is, don't count on the next generation paying for it, how about we have a little less socialism. If anything, *YOU* seem to want to screw the next generation with your response. I mean, it seems the idea of cutting social security, medicare, etc so the next generation isn't stuck with our bills triggered some hostility.

What are you, some kind of far-left liberal?ouch!!!

that had to hurt...

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 08:06 AM
I'll be fine.

Uh, no Al.

The story isn't going to have a happy ending for you.

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The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 08:08 AM
Your headline is irrelevant at best.

What does atheism have to do with the story at all?

I know. You're uncomfortable looking at atheist societies. I understand.

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 08:12 AM
ouch!!!

that had to hurt...

No not at all. Al got whipped up into a hostile frenzy. I must have hit a nerve. Hedonists generally don't like to have their world view criticized. Because after all, they are perfect, and they have all the answers, and in Al's case probably a little bit of inherited wealth.

healthpellets
08-14-2010, 08:51 AM
I know. You're uncomfortable looking at atheist societies. I understand.

oh, sure. now i completely understand. thanks for that thorough and well planned explanation.

now, if you could please again explain how atheism is at all tied to the story about depopulation, i'd appreciate it.

thanks.

hp.

SNR
08-14-2010, 09:45 AM
I know. You're uncomfortable looking at atheist societies. I understand.You mean like in China?

alnorth
08-14-2010, 12:07 PM
in Al's case probably a little bit of inherited wealth.

right, I only wish. born middle-lower class, always had a job doing something since I threw a paper route when I was 12, went through college on loans, etc. I live way below my means, and am pretty cheap in general, saving what I can for retirement instead of buying stupid expensive toys that people tire of in a few years.

You stupidly mis-interpreted my first post as a "screw the world I'll get mine" reaction. Probably because of some latent hostility to me from some other stupid shit elsewhere. What I clearly said is that "depopulation" is not a bad thing since the world is overpopulated, and it might force us to stop forcing other people to pay back money we borrow today. I dont believe demographic shifts and depopulation will be a negative, but if for some reason it is, then it wont impact me.

SNR
08-14-2010, 12:24 PM
right, I only wish. born middle-lower class, always had a job doing something since I threw a paper route when I was 12, went through college on loans, etc. I live way below my means, and am pretty cheap in general, saving what I can for retirement instead of buying stupid expensive toys that people tire of in a few years.

You stupidly mis-interpreted my first post as a "screw the world I'll get mine" reaction. Probably because of some latent hostility to me from some other stupid shit elsewhere. What I clearly said is that "depopulation" is not a bad thing since the world is overpopulated, and it might force us to stop forcing other people to pay back money we borrow today. I dont believe demographic shifts and depopulation will be a negative, but if for some reason it is, then it wont impact me.Why do you hate baby Jesus and Merica??????

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 04:16 PM
You stupidly mis-interpreted my first post as a "screw the world I'll get mine" reaction. Probably because of some latent hostility to me from some other stupid shit elsewhere.

I got the same exact vibe from you.

Listen, I apologize for the misunderstanding, and for my behavior towards you as a result of it.

When you said non-existent kids, I made a few assumptions. They were probably wrong.

I don't feel like fighting or argueing today. Peace.

ChiefaRoo
08-14-2010, 04:18 PM
Where is the horse and the rider?

Where is the horn that was blowing?

They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow.

The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.

How did it come to this?

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 04:21 PM
You mean like in China?

China has up until recently been a very sick society run by a communist totalitarian government that forced millions of women every day to have abortions.

They are still a sick society, but they have cut down on mandatory abortions.

Infanticide, especially of females, is still culturally acceptable.

Infanticide is depraved behavior, wouldn't you agree?

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 04:24 PM
I think it's because Mexicans are Roman Catholic.

So are Puerto Ricans, but their out of wedlock birth rates are almost as bad as blacks.

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 04:27 PM
oh, sure. now i completely understand. thanks for that thorough and well planned explanation.

now, if you could please again explain how atheism is at all tied to the story about depopulation, i'd appreciate it.

thanks.

hp.

A person with just a rudimentary education would know that religion and elevated birth rates are corelated.

go bowe
08-14-2010, 05:08 PM
I got the same exact vibe from you.

Listen, I apologize for the misunderstanding, and for my behavior towards you as a result of it.

When you said non-existent kids, I made a few assumptions. They were probably wrong.

I don't feel like fighting or argueing today. Peace.what?

no argueing?

are you ok?

BucEyedPea
08-14-2010, 05:47 PM
So are Puerto Ricans, but their out of wedlock birth rates are almost as bad as blacks.

Modernity entering in I guess.

SNR
08-14-2010, 06:18 PM
Infanticide is depraved behavior, wouldn't you agree?Of course I would. Most Chinese would agree with you too. In fact, the government would too.

But are they experiencing population decline?

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 06:44 PM
Of course I would. Most Chinese would agree with you too. In fact, the government would too.

But are they experiencing population decline?

Excellent point. Touche.

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 06:48 PM
what?

no argueing?

are you ok?

I want to stop. I really do.

Sometimes I feel like I'm dying at dawn
and sometimes I'm warm as fire
But lately I feel like I'm just gonna rain
and it goes over, and over, and over again.

Too many flames, with too much to burn
and life's only made of paper
I need to be free of this pain
but it goes over, and over, and over, and over againModernity entering in I guess.

Yeah, I mean white illigitimacy is now I think 23%. Which I think is critical mass--- that's where Black illigitimacy was before it tipped, hit the point of no return and rocketed up to 80%.

Basically the people we want to have kids in America, aren't, and the people we don't want to have kids, are spitting them out like watermelon seeds. I'd like to blame the government but I think we're just some kind of bacteria that finally amused itself to death.

alnorth
08-14-2010, 09:47 PM
I got the same exact vibe from you.

Listen, I apologize for the misunderstanding, and for my behavior towards you as a result of it.

When you said non-existent kids, I made a few assumptions. They were probably wrong.

I don't feel like fighting or argueing today. Peace.

fine

The Mad Crapper
08-14-2010, 10:30 PM
fine

Yeah, I figured you'd be an asshole about it, but that's ok, too.

AustinChief
08-14-2010, 10:35 PM
child molester

Do 22 year olds count as children? If so....

healthpellets
08-14-2010, 10:55 PM
A person with just a rudimentary education would know that religion and elevated birth rates are corelated.

maybe it has to do with religion and their bullshit stance on contraception.

hey kids! we don't think you should have sex. and if you do have sex, we don't think you should use any form of contraception.

which is another reason my child will not be at a religious school.

BucEyedPea
08-15-2010, 01:01 AM
Do 22 year olds count as children? If so....

It was a joke.

BucEyedPea
08-15-2010, 01:02 AM
maybe it has to do with religion and their bullshit stance on contraception.

hey kids! we don't think you should have sex. and if you do have sex, we don't think you should use any form of contraception.

which is another reason my child will not be at a religious school.

I think it has to do with "Be fruitful and multiply." Contraception would prevent that. That's only for Catholics though. Hindus throw their babies in the Ganges to drown. So they can come back in a higher caste next life. You might want to check the latter one out.

Mr. Kotter
08-15-2010, 01:02 AM
maybe it has to do with religion and their bullshit stance on contraception.

hey kids! we don't think you should have sex. and if you do have sex, we don't think you should use any form of contraception.

which is another reason my child will not be at a religious school.

Mother of God...you have procreated? :spock:

Sad, sad.....SAD. :deevee:

healthpellets
08-15-2010, 08:41 AM
Mother of God...you have procreated? :spock:

Sad, sad.....SAD. :deevee:

i know. it probably is a concern that a whole generation of rational, independent, self-sufficient children are being raised to take over this country. :D