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RedThat
08-14-2010, 07:03 PM
in all honesty, the OL reeks of complete sh*tness.

Most notably O'Callaghan and Niswanger. Those are the two guys that need a ticket out of here. Most definately without question or doubt.

So why not start Wiegman? What does this team have to lose? Why not start Richardson in the beginning of yesterdays game rather than late in the 4th which I thought was a boneheaded move by coach Haley.

I really don't know what this coaching staff sees in Niswanger and O'Callaghan? At the very least, this team should be starting the best players right now or the players that have more upside just to mask the level of sh*tiness that Niswanger and O'Callaghan display.

In the off-season they need to address this area badly. But I've once said this in seasons past and here I am saying it again, the OL is going to be a problem in the regular season. Oh well, it's just the same ole sh*t. nothing but a repetitive theme that gets frustrating.

And there shouldn't be any discussion about this potentially being a good offense or even compare this team to the 2002 Chiefs because the OL comparison is apples and oranges, and this offense is light years away from being as good.

FAX
08-14-2010, 07:05 PM
I, for one, am weary of blaming Cassel's problems on the o-line. Feeling pressure? Get rid of the ball. QB 101.

FAX

BigMeatballDave
08-14-2010, 07:08 PM
BS Aaron Rodgers was sacked a league-high 51 times last season. I'm done making excuses for him.

MIAdragon
08-14-2010, 07:09 PM
The guy fing sucks. You can blame it on the rain if you want he fing sucks

RedThat
08-14-2010, 07:09 PM
Cassel sucks I know, but the OL sucks just as much as he does.

MadMax
08-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Can we not agree we have the absolute worst starting QB in the league?

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 07:12 PM
In the off-season they need to address this area badly. But I've once said this in seasons past and here I am saying it again, the OL is going to be a problem in the regular season. Oh well, it's just the same ole sh*t. nothing but a repetitive theme that gets frustrating.


They addressed it in 2010: Asamoah, Weigman and Lilja.

BigMeatballDave
08-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Cassel sucks I know, but the OL sucks just as much as he does.I get what you're saying. The line has issues. The only way Cassel is going to improve his play is if we had a line similar to 03-05. Matt will always be a liability. I hope he proves us wrong.

FAX
08-14-2010, 07:14 PM
I really don't think that either Haley or Weis coach Cassel that, when pressure comes, he's supposed to take a sack and give up a fumble. I really don't.

Cassel may be a gym rat, but he may also be a moron for all I know.

FAX

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 07:14 PM
No, the line does not suck as much as he does. The problem, beyond his very limited physical skill-set, is that Cassel is not an instinctive player.

And thus he goes a long way toward making those around him worse.

Brock
08-14-2010, 07:14 PM
The offense isn't the problem with this team.

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Weigman, at this point in his career, sucks more than Niswanger.

People wondered why I was pissed last year when the only lineman we claimed on waivers after the final cut was Ryan O'Callagan.

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:16 PM
No, the line does not suck as much as he does. The problem, beyond his very limited physical skill-set, is that Cassel is not an instinctive player.

And thus he goes a long way toward making those around him worse.

That is the absolute truth.

BillSelfsTrophycase
08-14-2010, 07:16 PM
2007 Brady - 21 Sacks
2008 Cassel - 47 Sacks
2009 Brady - 16 Sacks

The line is nothing special, but there is a problem here

/thread

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:17 PM
Can we not agree we have the absolute worst starting QB in the league?

I'd say that there are at least 40 better QBs right now, at the least.

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:18 PM
2007 Brady - 21 Sacks
2008 Cassel - 47 Sacks
2009 Brady - 16 Sacks

The line is nothing special, but there is a problem here

/thread

Can't sell the truth here.

Homer doesn't want to buy.

the Talking Can
08-14-2010, 07:19 PM
there is no OL excuse this year

pioli gave Cassel everything he (Pioli) thought he needed


Cassel is responsible for his play this year, and if you think he isn't then you have to indict Pioli for incompetence....

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:19 PM
I'd say that there are at least 40 better QBs right now, at the least.

Id bet Cassel finishes is the top 20, for shits and giggles, if you want to wager on it.

BigMeatballDave
08-14-2010, 07:20 PM
What concerns me now is how long Haley and Co. are willing to go with him...

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:21 PM
Can't sell the truth here.

Homer doesn't want to buy.

It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:22 PM
What concerns me now is how long Haley and Co. are willing to go with him...

Well its been 1 season...How long would you say we should try and stick with him?

Me, I am willing to give him 8 more games for sure.

(PS I finally fixed my avatar!! LOL, isn't it sick?)

Art Vader
08-14-2010, 07:23 PM
Sackel is wiping his butt with 100s right now

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:24 PM
Id bet Cassel finishes is the top 20, for shits and giggles, if you want to wager on it.

Top 20 what?

He's going to have a decent QB rating because he's Checkdown Cassel.

We'd have to find a common ground, because I'm not a stats guy.

I believe in the old saying their there are lies, damn lies, and stats.

Tribal Warfare
08-14-2010, 07:25 PM
What concerns me now is how long Haley and Co. are willing to go with him...

I believe he'll probably start every game, but he'll get pulled when he starts fucking up again.

BigMeatballDave
08-14-2010, 07:25 PM
It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.Yep. Scott Mitchell had a solid season, too.

FAX
08-14-2010, 07:26 PM
You know what's interesting?

Haley always says he goes by what he "sees". Do you guys honestly believe he's "seeing" a winning performance and/or leadership out of Cassel?

FAX

Tribal Warfare
08-14-2010, 07:28 PM
You know what's interesting?

Haley always says he goes by what he "sees". Do you guys honestly believe he's "seeing" a winning performance and/or leadership out of Cassel?

FAX

contracts and draft compensation goes a long way to push the issue with blind hope.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Top 20 what?

He's going to have a decent QB rating because he's Checkdown Cassel.

We'd have to find a common ground, because I'm not a stats guy.

I believe in the old saying their there are lies, damn lies, and stats.

you have a point, I am open to suggestions

edit:

How bout top 20 in yards, TDs and QB rating? Also I will throw in that he must NOT be in the bottom 12 of INTS thrown.

KCinNY
08-14-2010, 07:30 PM
The fact that a number of reasonably smart fans are pining for Brodie Croyle tells us just exactly how much Cassel sucks.

For Christ's sake, Cassel makes a brittle, 0-9 lifetime starting QB look like a good alternative.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:33 PM
The fact that a number of reasonably smart fans are pining for Brodie Croyle tells us just exactly how much Cassel sucks.


Nah. I don't agree with that logic, there is always 'a number' of fans who want to see X Y or Z with any team. It doesnt mean A B or C sucks.

BossChief
08-14-2010, 07:34 PM
It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8644&sYear=2008

8-38 on all passes over 19 yards that year.

only 2 completed passes over 30 yards all year long for a team that broke records the previous year in touchdown passes and the deep ball specifically. In the previous year both Brady and Moss (arguably the best deep ball receiver of all time) broke the respective NFL record for touchdown production.

Add to that the fact that he swallows the ball under pressure and has no feel for the rush and you have some of the reasons the guy is fucking terrible and has set us back at minimum 3-4 years in development.

Shit, the only real strong point he had in 08 were his passes under 10 yards, and he even struggles with that right now...what does that tell you if the guy has regressed in his only strong point and hasn't improved noticeably in any other category?

To me, that tells me its a pipe dream to think the guy will ever be any better than bottom third of the league at best.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:37 PM
To me, that tells me its a pipe dream to think the guy will ever be any better than bottom third of the league at best.

Care to take my wager then?
(Probly looks like peanuts to you rich guys, but hey Im broke!)

Sully
08-14-2010, 07:41 PM
Did you watch Wiegmann last night? He's done.

Wallcrawler
08-14-2010, 07:41 PM
It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.



Unfortunately for your argument, the Chiefs are not starting Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Daunte Culpepper made the cover of Madden with the Vikings on the coattails of Randy Moss. He was perceived to be a good quarterback. Moss leaves.....Daunte's career spirals down the toilet.

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:41 PM
It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.

I've seen the stats, but more importantly, I watched the games as they were replayed on NFL Network over the offseason, and it was from watching those games that I learned that Cassel isn't good.

He held the ball too long, couldn't make quick reads, and had a weak arm, all the same problems that still plague him.

I've argued this point with Marcellus a number of times, but he only looked good when the Patriots tweaked the system and played much more from the spread.

He's simply a taller version of Tyler Thigpen.

BillSelfsTrophycase
08-14-2010, 07:43 PM
you have a point, I am open to suggestions

edit:

How bout top 20 in yards, TDs and QB rating? Also I will throw in that he must NOT be in the bottom 12 of INTS thrown.


If this is all we're hoping for from our supposed franchise quarterback, we're fooked

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:44 PM
If this is all we're hoping for from our supposed franchise quarterback, we're fooked

I'm hoping for more...

No one will take my bet so far, so I guess so is everyone else...

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:44 PM
you have a point, I am open to suggestions

edit:

How bout top 20 in yards, TDs and QB rating? Also I will throw in that he must NOT be in the bottom 12 of INTS thrown.

Throw in YPA.

Gadzooks
08-14-2010, 07:46 PM
The guy fing sucks. You can blame it on the rain if you want he fing sucks

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At 3:16 it really kicks in!

BossChief
08-14-2010, 07:47 PM
I've seen the stats, but more importantly, I watched the games as they were replayed on NFL Network over the offseason, and it was from watching those games that I learned that Cassel isn't good.

He held the ball too long, couldn't make quick reads, and had a weak arm, all the same problems that still plague him.

I've argued this point with Marcellus a number of times, but he only looked good when the Patriots tweaked the system and played much more from the spread.

He's simply a taller version of Tyler Thigpen.
a taller, slower, less instinctive, less elusive, non skeleton fucking version of Thigpen with a weaker arm would be more accurate.

but we aren't gonna talk about accuracy when talking about Cassel...

...

as for a bet, Ill have to decline because to me he can suck huge donkey balls and still attain those marks because of the playmaking ability of those around him.

FAX
08-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Cassel has issues. There's no question.

I think Mr. DeezNutz said it best ... he is not an "instinctive" player. He comes in to work, tries hard, endears himself to the coaching staff with his effort and desire to learn, but in the final analysis, he doesn't have "it". Not when the bullets are flying.

I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't think I will, though.

FAX

Ugly Duck
08-14-2010, 07:49 PM
Say what you want about Cassel

I can't. I'd be banned.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:49 PM
Throw in YPA.

What the heck, sure...

If he doesn't get in the top 20 in those categories I am gonna be depressed anyway, so I might as well give my money to you in that case


:D

(as you know I am a noob here, I have no clue how to set this up or if we just have to go by honor, but you wanna bet 3500 on it?)

Dicky McElephant
08-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Care to take my wager then?
(Probly looks like peanuts to you rich guys, but hey Im broke!)

What's the wager and terms?

BossChief
08-14-2010, 07:53 PM
you know what Id like to see?

A quarterback playing for us that at least once per game gets nailed while delivering a near perfect pass that keeps his team in the game.

I don't think I can remember a single pass Cassel has thrown while getting creamed that didn't get intercepted.

The good quarterbacks to that routinely.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:53 PM
What's the wager and terms?

I just bet my entire stack (which isnt squat to most of the folks on here) that cassel will be in top 20 of Passign yards, YPA, QB rating and also ints (top 20 of least amount thrown)

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:54 PM
What the heck, sure...

If he doesn't get in the top 20 in those categories I am gonna be depressed anyway, so I might as well give my money to you in that case


:D

(as you know I am a noob here, I have no clue how to set this up or if we just have to go by honor, but you wanna bet 3500 on it?)

I was thinking more along the lines of a sig bet.

The poster that wins picks the sig for the poster that loses, who will have to keep the sig for an agreed on length of time.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 07:55 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of a sig bet.

The poster that wins picks the sig for the poster that loses, who will have to keep the sig for an agreed on length of time.

HAHHAA

Ok...that sounds fun

ROFL

(This might sound lame but can we do 3500 + sig...I am so broke i kinda need cash if I win LOL..I see u got all kinds of dough!!! SHit im probly gonna lose to you and have to have a Milkman raped me sig where I have a milk moustache or something..)

milkman
08-14-2010, 07:57 PM
HAHHAA

Ok...that sounds fun

ROFL

(This might sound lame but can we do 3500 + sig...I am so broke i kinda need cash if I win LOL)

OK, how about this.

I win, I pick your sig, which you have to keep until the next draft.

You win, I'll give you 10,000 in casino cash.

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 07:59 PM
LMAO.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:02 PM
(deleted -- duplicate due to my internet sucking)

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:02 PM
Same thing here, sorry for duplicates..

Dicky McElephant
08-14-2010, 08:06 PM
I just bet my entire stack (which isnt squat to most of the folks on here) that cassel will be in top 20 of Passign yards, YPA, QB rating and also ints (top 20 of least amount thrown)

And he has to be in the top 20 of all of them right? If he gets 3 out of 4 than I win?

I'll take that bet. shit.....if he makes top 10 in half of those categories.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:08 PM
OK, how about this.

I win, I pick your sig, which you have to keep until the next draft.

You win, I'll give you 10,000 in casino cash.

lets just do 3500 each plus sigs...Till draft day?

Theres no way I'm sig betting unless i can pick your sig too (if I win).

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:09 PM
And he has to be in the top 20 of all of them right? If he gets 3 out of 4 than I win?

I'll take that bet. shit.....if he makes top 10 in half of those categories.

well if milkman wants the sig bet only, ill do 3500 with you (otherwise I am out of cash...

and yes 3/4 and I lose, but it is top 20 not top 10)

holy shit u have MAD cash....3500 must seem like piss to you...Sorry I cant make it more exciting

PSS I am in Nor CaL also -- 707 baby

BossChief
08-14-2010, 08:11 PM
Watching Thigpen right now on NFLN...looks to have improved a bit. Granted its against backups.

milkman
08-14-2010, 08:13 PM
lets just do 3500 each plus sigs...Till draft day?

Theres no way I'm sig betting unless i can pick your sig too (if I win).

Sig bets only.

I leave the 3500 for pest to take from you.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:13 PM
Sig bets only.

I leave the 3500 for pest to take from you.

ok then its a bet!

Dicky McElephant
08-14-2010, 08:14 PM
well if milkman wants the sig bet only, ill do 3500 with you (otherwise I am out of cash...

and yes 3/4 and I lose, but it is top 20 not top 10)

holy shit u have MAD cash....3500 must seem like piss to you...Sorry I cant make it more exciting

PSS I am in Nor CaL also -- 707 baby

Where in the 707? I'm up in Vacaville.

milkman
08-14-2010, 08:15 PM
ok then its a bet!

It's on.

BillSelfsTrophycase
08-14-2010, 08:15 PM
Cassel is a less mobile version of Thigpen...One second rounder and 63 million dollars later here we are

Dicky McElephant
08-14-2010, 08:17 PM
well if milkman wants the sig bet only, ill do 3500 with you (otherwise I am out of cash...

and yes 3/4 and I lose, but it is top 20 not top 10)

holy shit u have MAD cash....3500 must seem like piss to you...Sorry I cant make it more exciting

PSS I am in Nor CaL also -- 707 baby

Deal.

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:17 PM
Where in the 707? I'm up in Vacaville.

Nice!

Shit we are almost neighbors, Im a little west of you in Santa Rosa

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 08:17 PM
Deal.

OHHH its onnn!!!

Marcellus
08-14-2010, 08:22 PM
Lol. 1 preseason game and CP is in total meltdown mode.
It was an ugly game but damn the panic. Lol.

milkman
08-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Lol. 1 preseason game and CP is in total meltdown mode.
It was an ugly game but damn the panic. Lol.

Meltdown?

LMAO

Bane
08-14-2010, 08:29 PM
Lol. 1 preseason game and CP is in total meltdown mode.
It was an ugly game but damn the panic. Lol.

Meltdown? Guess you don't come here during the draft eh?LMAO

KCChiefsFan88
08-14-2010, 08:31 PM
I want to see Cassel take some leadership and get pissed over how pathetic the starting offense looked last night.

His coach-speak "there were some positives, such as being able to run no-huddle" is absolute garbage.

Perhaps this is the by-product of being in a pressure-free situation as a $63 million QB with no legit competition for your starting job.

Marcellus
08-14-2010, 08:51 PM
Meltdown?

LMAO

Considering it was 1 preseason game yea, it's a meltdown. Petty good stuff too.

Cassel didn't look sharp but from what I saw they didn't even try to throw the ball really until 3rd down.

Croyle comes in and they start throwing the ball out of the gate and even though Cassel got blasted for throwing short passes, look at Croyle's first 2 series. Dink dunk.
I don't know what the hell the the play calling concept was but it sucked.

The whole thing sucked offensively except Charles and DMC.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 09:00 PM
"Say what you want about Cassel, but"...

Let's go to Charlie Weis on Matt Cassel. IIRC, Weis has only spoken to the media on three occasions. Once right after he was hired. The second was about a month later... and before the draft. On that occasion, when asked what it was he liked about Cassel, Weis response was... "Well, he is on our team, that is what I like about him."

Weis's third round with the media was just this past week, and here are a couple of the questions and responses that deal with Cassel...

Q: When you look at this team that hasn’t been as successful in the last few years, how much of a challenge is this for you personally to see what you can do for this offense?

WEIS: “I am only going by when I got here in January. I watched all the plays from last year, mainly because of my research of the quarterback and the quarterbacks for that matter because Brodie (Croyle) played too. I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I was getting because the first thing I wanted to do was help fix the quarterback. Trust me, it wasn’t because he wasn’t getting coached before but I had to know what the problems were. I watched every snap he played last year with the Chiefs and then I went back the year before and watched every snap from when Tommy (Brady) went down and every snap he played with New England. I wanted to know where we were with this kid and once you figure that out, I think as an offensive coach in this league, you can’t try to do things that your players are not capable of doing. I think with this team right here, I think Todd has a good handle on the team, he has his finger on the pulse and between Todd, Romeo (Crennel), myself and our coaching staff, I think we should expect to improve.”

Q: What do you see in the quarterback?

WEIS: “Every quarterback should get better every year they play in the league. What you have to know is, what are they doing well and what are they not doing well. I am just like you guys, I wasn’t here last year. I watched the Chiefs more in December more than I had done in my whole life because they were one of the teams that I thought I might end up going to. On Sunday’s when I was sitting there with a little idle time that I wasn’t expecting to have, one of the multiple teams I was watching on the tube was the Chiefs. I think it all starts with offensive football and if the quarterback plays better, usually the team plays better. You sit there and say that about the offensive line and others, but think about it, there are only two players on offense that have the ball in their hands on every play and that is the center and the quarterback. They are the guys that can do the most help and are also the guys that can do the most harm.”

Q: How is QB Matt Cassel looking to you?

WEIS: “He is looking kind of weak when I look at him right there. You know I have to look at him all the time, I see him more than my wife. I am kind of tired of looking at him and he is tired of looking at me too."

CaliforniaChief
08-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Wouldn't you hope to see progress this year? One preseason game in, there's nothing.

There's ZERO downfield threat. None. McCluster's biggest asset is his quickness. But when other teams put 10 guys within 8 yards of the LOS, he won't ever be open.

Brodie Croyle is not the QB of the future, but he's better than Cassel. And I can live with the occasional interception if it means we're actually trying to throw the ball down the field.

If only I had faith that Scott Pioli could own his mistake, release him after this season, and draft a franchise QB. Even so, more time has elapsed.

I used to be on the other side of this issue. I liked Cassel. But waiting for him to "get it" is starting to feel like giving CPR to a 3 day old corpse.

Pioli Zombie
08-14-2010, 09:30 PM
I'd say that there are at least 40 better QBs right now, at the least.
Name them.

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 09:33 PM
Link for the 44/46 stat, please?

milkman
08-14-2010, 09:44 PM
Name them.

Let's start with the 31 other starters in the NFL, and Brodie Croyle.

Then there's Luke McCown, Tyler Thigpen, Chad Pennington, Steven McGee, Jimmy Clausen, Sage Rosenfel, Tavaris Jackson (assuming Favre returns) and Billy Volek.

These are all guys who have either produced in the past, or that looked good in their preseason debuts, where Cassel sucked ass last year, and last night.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 09:51 PM
Let's start with the 31 other starters in the NFL, and Brodie Croyle.

Then there's Luke McCown, Tyler Thigpen, Chad Pennington, Steven McGee, Jimmy Clausen, Sage Rosenfel, Tavaris Jackson (assuming Favre returns) and Billy Volek.

These are all guys who have either produced in the past, or that looked good in their preseason debuts, where Cassel sucked ass last year, and last night.

I'm going to throw this in here. I had to leave for a bit before I could really finish my other post in this thread. Gretz had a piece in his pay site... yes I pay for Bob's stuff... about Cassel a while back. Someone did stats on the NFL QB's last season. IIRC, Cassel was credited with about 68 "Bad Throws". Only 1 other QB had more, and that was Romo.

milkman
08-14-2010, 09:54 PM
I'm going to throw this in here. I had to leave for a bit before I could really finish my other post in this thread. Gretz had a piece in his pay site... yes I pay for Bob's stuff... about Cassel a while back. Someone did stats on the NFL QB's last season. IIRC, Cassel was credited with about 68 "Bad Throws". Only 1 other QB had more, and that was Romo.

And Romo takes a hell of a lot more shots downfield than Cassel.

FAX
08-14-2010, 09:58 PM
I'm going to throw this in here. I had to leave for a bit before I could really finish my other post in this thread. Gretz had a piece in his pay site... yes I pay for Bob's stuff... about Cassel a while back. Someone did stats on the NFL QB's last season. IIRC, Cassel was credited with about 68 "Bad Throws". Only 1 other QB had more, and that was Romo.

This does not surprise me, Mr. Coogs.

In fact, I've speculated that ... just maybe ... some of the "dropsies" our receivers have had are, in some measure, due to the inconsistency of Cassel's passing. It's possible he throws a tough catch. I know for sure he can overthrow the Jolly Green Giant by a mile on third down.

I think about guys like Montana who put the ball where the receiver can make a play. Then I think about Cassel. Then I think about shooting myself.

FAX

milkman
08-14-2010, 10:00 PM
This does not surprise me, Mr. Coogs.

In fact, I've speculated that ... just maybe ... some of the "dropsies" our receivers have had are, in some measure, due to the inconsistency of Cassel's passing. It's possible he throws a tough catch. I know for sure he can overthrow the Jolly Green Giant by a mile on third down.

I think about guys like Montana who put the ball where the receiver can make a play. Then I think about Cassel. Then I think about shooting myself.

FAX

Shoot Cassel instead.

Shoot yourself, we all lose.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 10:03 PM
And Romo takes a hell of a lot more shots downfield than Cassel.

Yes he does. And he played in 16 games compared to 15 for Cassel. So really about a draw on that stat.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 10:06 PM
This does not surprise me, Mr. Coogs.

In fact, I've speculated that ... just maybe ... some of the "dropsies" our receivers have had are, in some measure, due to the inconsistency of Cassel's passing. It's possible he throws a tough catch. I know for sure he can overthrow the Jolly Green Giant by a mile on third down.

I think about guys like Montana who put the ball where the receiver can make a play. Then I think about Cassel. Then I think about shooting myself.

FAX

I really didn't surprise me either. I thought Cassel had many opportunities last season to make plays... especially after Charles started and the O-line play improved... and would flat out miss open receivers much like he did JGG last night.

Sanka
08-14-2010, 10:08 PM
Lets go Matt Moore!

FAX
08-14-2010, 10:12 PM
I really didn't surprise me either. I thought Cassel had many opportunities last season to make plays... especially after Charles started and the O-line play improved... and would flat out miss open receivers much like he did JGG last night.

Exactly. I think you guys know that I'm a homer through and through. I don't apologize for it. I always try to give the players the benefit of the doubt.

But last year, after the run game started to work ... thanks to Charles ... Cassel actually seemed to perform worse as a passer and a leader. That's when I lost faith in the guy. I think the Pats did a marvelous job of marketing by franchising him ... and Pioli bought it. Can he improve? Sure. But he'll never be the kind of QB who can win consistently ... not in my opinion.

FAX

Pawnmower
08-14-2010, 10:14 PM
Let's start with me just making up the list of the other 40 QB's who I can name.....


Fixed

milkman
08-14-2010, 10:25 PM
Fixed

Yeah, right

That's why I didn't name Chris Simms, Kerry Collins, Pat White, Colt Brennan, Brady Quinn or TimTebow.

But I did forget to mention Dennis Dixon and Byron Leftwich.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Yeah, right

That's why I didn't name Chris Simms, Kerry Collins, Pat White, Colt Brennan, Brady Quinn or TimTebow.

But I did forget to mention Dennis Dixon and Byron Leftwich.

Cassel did come up on the short end of a duel with Jamarcus in KC last year as well by a count of 13-10. That alone speaks volumes.

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 10:30 PM
Cassel did come up on the short end of a duel with Jamarcus in KC last year as well by a count of 13-10. That alone speaks volumes.

But, but...Cassel brought us back late in the game (forget that he fist fucked us at the end of the first half).

Coogs
08-14-2010, 10:34 PM
But, but...Cassel brought us back late in the game (forget that he fist fucked us at the end of the first half).

I know. Many here are quick to point out Croyle never won a game as a starter. never mind he put us into position to win 5 or 6 times, only to be let down by Cun Gunningham's defense. If that applys to Croyle, it's got to stick for Cassel too.

milkman
08-14-2010, 10:42 PM
Charlie Whitehurst is looking better than Matt Cassel.

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 10:43 PM
Charlie Whitehurst is looking better than Matt Cassel.

He should. Seattle gave up a third round choice, then signed him to a two year $8 million contract.

Oh.

Wait.

alanm
08-14-2010, 10:50 PM
They addressed it in 2010: Asamoah, Weigman and Lilja.That and wait for the last rnd of cuts and hope to pick up someone who's serviceable. Hell everyone was getting punked last night.

Miles
08-14-2010, 10:50 PM
I'm trying very hard to be slightly optimistic about Cassel since we are pretty much stuck with him. I also realize it was only a few series but his brutal pocket presence that was obvious with NE is still there.

Dave Lane
08-14-2010, 10:51 PM
I, for one, am weary of blaming Cassel's problems on the o-line. Feeling pressure? Get rid of the ball. QB 101.

FAX

I don't have the intense hate for Cassel others do but if he does that (like yesterday) then everyone screams Capt Dumpoff! Seriously other than becoming Manning is there anyway for a average QB to win here?

BWillie
08-14-2010, 10:55 PM
You know, Croyle threw a pick but man he was zipping those balls in there when he was playing. Croyle has twice as much talent as Cassel does, this much is obvious. Neither one of them is an average QB in this league, let alone an elite QB or ever going to be.

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 10:57 PM
I don't have the intense hate for Cassel others do but if he does that (like yesterday) then everyone screams Capt Dumpoff! Seriously other than becoming Manning is there anyway for a average QB to win here?

:spock:

No. And the sad thing is that we're hoping for "average" with Cassel. "Average" QBs don't win in this league very often. Have we been duped into thinking this is acceptable? The threshold we strive to now?

We need a competent game manager, and build the pieces around him? People who subscribe to that line of thought can shove it right up their asses.

Coogs
08-14-2010, 10:59 PM
I don't have the intense hate for Cassel others do but if he does that (like yesterday) then everyone screams Capt Dumpoff! Seriously other than becoming Manning is there anyway for a average QB to win here?

I don't have that big of problem with the dumpoffs. What I do have a problem with is the way he missed Pope. An NFL QB has to make that play. And most all NFL QB's do make that play. Our guy doesn't. And not just last night... but it is a re-occuring theme that shows up damn near every single game.

milkman
08-14-2010, 11:00 PM
I don't have the intense hate for Cassel others do but if he does that (like yesterday) then everyone screams Capt Dumpoff! Seriously other than becoming Manning is there anyway for a average QB to win here?

The problem isn't that he checks down.

The problem is that is he slow to make reads.

Croyle checked down a few times, but he was quick to make his reads and gave the receiver he checked down to a chance to run after the catch.

milkman
08-14-2010, 11:02 PM
:spock:

No. And the sad thing is that we're hoping for "average" with Cassel. "Average" QBs don't win in this league very often. Have we been duped into thinking this is acceptable? The threshold we strive to now?

We need a competent game manager, and build the pieces around him? People who subscribe to that line of thought can shove it right up their asses.

Sadly, what we are debating here is one who sucks vs. another who sucks, and the level of suck.

This is what we are stuck with.

Thanks to the almighty executive of the decade.

DeezNutz
08-14-2010, 11:13 PM
Sadly, what we are debating here is one who sucks vs. another who sucks, and the level of suck.

This is what we are stuck with.

Thanks to the almighty excuitive of the decade.

Yep. With considerable help from the previous dumbass who was also too much of a fucking chickenshit to draft and develop a true franchise QB.

Bane
08-14-2010, 11:26 PM
Sadly, what we are debating here is one who sucks vs. another who sucks, and the level of suck.

This is what we are stuck with.

Thanks to the almighty executive of the decade.

ROFL Nice.
And we'll still have to go out and draft a QB and start all over after the Casshole experiment is over.:banghead:

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 11:28 PM
ROFL Nice.
And we'll still have to go out and draft a QB and start all over after the Casshole experiment is over.


And likely won't get one as NFL ready as Sanchez or Clausen, let alone, trading for someone like Whitehurst or McNabb.

Bane
08-14-2010, 11:28 PM
Or I guess we can always go back to taking out the 49's trash for them @ QB.

Bane
08-14-2010, 11:31 PM
And likely won't get one as NFL ready as Sanchez or Clausen, let alone, trading for someone like Whitehurst or McNabb.

Yep.Its sad IMO that Carolina has 3 QB's that I'd rather start over with and take a chance on vs what we have.:shake:
I'm sure I'll get killed for that cause of Pike but I'd turn him loose just as soon as I would Casshole!

smittysbar
08-14-2010, 11:33 PM
After watching that game, then the miss to JGG, I was pissed..........going to be another year of watching this fuckhead under center.

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 11:36 PM
After watching that game, then the miss to JGG, I was pissed..........going to be another year of watching this fuckhead under center.

What up, Smitty?!

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 11:37 PM
Yep.Its sad IMO that Carolina has 3 QB's that I'd rather start over with and take a chance on vs what we have.:shake:
I'm sure I'll get killed for that cause of Pike but I'd turn him loose just as soon as I would Casshole!

I'd take Moore, Clausen or Hunter Cantwell.

I honestly haven't seen enough of Pike but the Panthers are stacked at QB.

smittysbar
08-14-2010, 11:46 PM
What up, Smitty?!

Not much, had to get on here and see what was kickin in the planet after that BS last night.

Golf will slow down before long, then I can get back to pissing away all my time back on here. Ready for some good pile ons :evil:

I seriously though wish they would admit they made a mistake with this guy and move on. After watching the team get better last year and him going the other direction, was enough for me.

FAX
08-14-2010, 11:48 PM
Maybe if our players had better nicknames ...

FAX

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2010, 11:49 PM
Not much, had to get on here and see what was kickin in the planet after that BS last night.

Golf will slow down before long, then I can get back to pissing away all my time back on here. Ready for some good pile ons :evil:

I seriously though wish they would admit they made a mistake with this guy and move on. After watching the team get better last year and him going the other direction, was enough for me.

Good to see you around, Dude, and welcome back!

KC Tattoo
08-14-2010, 11:58 PM
I'm hoping for more...

No one will take my bet so far, so I guess so is everyone else...

I'l take a bet with you. But this talk of TDs and yards per play is too much for my feable mind too handle at this point. How about him getting a first down in the first quarter of the rams game? Not using RBks but him throwing the ball on third down and long.

FAX
08-15-2010, 12:02 AM
I'l take a bet with you. But this talk of TDs and yards per play is too much for my feable mind too handle at this point. How about him getting a first down in the first quarter of the rams game? Not using RBks but him throwing the ball on third down and long.

Asking for miracles is unrealistic, Mr. Cool han Luke.

Perhaps you should ask for a nice, clean handoff or maybe a shovel draw.

FAX

KC Tattoo
08-15-2010, 12:10 AM
ROFL Nice.
And we'll still have to go out and draft a QB and start all over after the Casshole experiment is over.:banghead:

We wont draft a QB, the history of the Chiefs wont allow this to happen. We are stuck forever not drafting a legit QBotf. Never ending story. Oh we had Blacksuckledge and Matt Blunder, that is reason enough not to ever ever draft a QB that was good in college and most other teams would drool over having. Not us. We will allways go after the Joe Montanas of other teams even if they are not "Joe Montana" but a career back up QB that happend to play a season on a good team. We will go after a reject QB that is all hailed by the front office, and true fans will bow to his glory and he will do no wrong for it will be the O-lines fault of course. Glory to the True Chiefs fans and 8 & 8 seasons to come before and after this "rebuilding" season.

ChiefsCountry
08-15-2010, 02:33 AM
How much better would this team be with Sanchez and Rey Maualuga on it instead of Casshole, Broke Dick Vrabel and Tyson Jackson. Damn you fat fuck Pioli.

mcaj22
08-15-2010, 02:41 AM
how much better would this team be with any of the first round 2009 draft picks not named Tyson Jackson

Brianfo
08-15-2010, 08:33 AM
The offense isn't the problem with this team.

This. Eleven billionty.

Tuckdaddy
08-15-2010, 09:35 AM
The line definitley was bad at protection but I honestly think that Matt was under orders to throw check downs and just stay safe. It just seemed that way. Also, this is evaluaution time. That wasn't necessarily the final starters on the 0-line. Brodie time was geared to thriow the ball down field. He did looke better than Matt at times. Niobody ever said he couldn't play, just can't stay healthy and I have no doubt he's get hurt again.

Matt is the QB like or not, it won't change

Coogs
08-15-2010, 09:45 AM
The line definitley was bad at protection but I honestly think that Matt was under orders to throw check downs and just stay safe. It just seemed that way. Also, this is evaluaution time. That wasn't necessarily the final starters on the 0-line. Brodie time was geared to thriow the ball down field. He did looke better than Matt at times. Niobody ever said he couldn't play, just can't stay healthy and I have no doubt he's get hurt again.

Matt is the QB like or not, it won't change

Again, I don't have that much of a problem of going to the checkdowns. BUT, on the first series on 3rd and 8, Chambers came out of his break open, and Cassel had plenty of time to throw. Cassel missed him by a mile wide. Never mind the penalty that would have called it back, the throw was way off the mark. The only other throw downfield was the one to Pope. Missed that one by a mile too.

And since we saw the same thing over-and-over last season... :shrug:


A QB controversy? Maybe not yet. But from what I understand Cassel has taken every single snap in practice with the first string. Maybe it is time to change that aspect just in case.

milkman
08-15-2010, 09:47 AM
I honestly think that Matt was under orders to throw check downs and just stay safe.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

:rolleyes:

Deberg_1990
08-15-2010, 10:04 AM
Matt is the QB like or not, it won't change

It will if he cant move the ball and the team starts off 0-4, 0-5..like last year...

Head Coaches are stubborn, but they value their jobs more than anything.

Red Brooklyn
08-15-2010, 10:18 AM
Like, Fax, I'm a homer all the way and not afraid to admit it. I'm routing for Cassel. I want the guy to show me something. I want him to explode and be a good, solid (if not great) QB.

But, honestly, I really didn't like the idea of bringing him in here in the first place. I saw red flags everywhere - and I'm not talking price tag. I made a lot of excuses for him last season. I won't do that again this year.

boogblaster
08-15-2010, 10:19 AM
I really don't think Cassel has the skills to play behind any O-line ....

JASONSAUTO
08-15-2010, 10:48 AM
Again, I don't have that much of a problem of going to the checkdowns. BUT, on the first series on 3rd and 8, Chambers came out of his break open, and Cassel had plenty of time to throw. Cassel missed him by a mile wide. Never mind the penalty that would have called it back, the throw was way off the mark. The only other throw downfield was the one to Pope. Missed that one by a mile too.

And since we saw the same thing over-and-over last season... :shrug:


A QB controversy? Maybe not yet. But from what I understand Cassel has taken every single snap in practice with the first string. Maybe it is time to change that aspect just in case.

looked to me like chambers was calling for a flag on that play like he thought he was interfered with.

watch it again and watch his arm in the flag pulling motion.
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Reaper16
08-15-2010, 10:54 AM
Link for the 44/46 stat, please?
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 10:57 AM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Thank you.

JASONSAUTO
08-15-2010, 11:14 AM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

isnt that the same place that had vrabel at 10 against the rush last year?
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milkman
08-15-2010, 11:16 AM
looked to me like chambers was calling for a flag on that play like he thought he was interfered with.

watch it again and watch his arm in the flag pulling motion.
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Receivers are always calling for flags whether one is warranted or not.

Bane
08-15-2010, 11:19 AM
Receivers are always calling for flags whether one is warranted or not.

Almost every damn pass attempt eh? Kinda like the NBA,you slam a guy in the face and knock him in the crowd! Then stand with your hands in the air like WHAT////LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-15-2010, 11:20 AM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=221370

Bane
08-15-2010, 11:21 AM
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=221370

WIN!!!!!ROFL

Reaper16
08-15-2010, 02:35 PM
isnt that the same place that had vrabel at 10 against the rush last year?
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No, I think that was pro football focus.

donkhater
08-15-2010, 02:56 PM
ROFLAgain, I don't have that much of a problem of going to the checkdowns. BUT, on the first series on 3rd and 8, Chambers came out of his break open, and Cassel had plenty of time to throw. Cassel missed him by a mile wide. Never mind the penalty that would have called it back, the throw was way off the mark. The only other throw downfield was the one to Pope. Missed that one by a mile too.

And since we saw the same thing over-and-over last season... :shrug:


A QB controversy? Maybe not yet. But from what I understand Cassel has taken every single snap in practice with the first string. Maybe it is time to change that aspect just in case.
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Well, at least you decided until the first pass attempt of the 1st PRESEASON game to make up your mind on whether or not Cassell improved over the summer.

No need to rush to judgement or anything.
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Really some of you guys need to chill.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:02 PM
ROFL
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Well, at least you decided until the first pass attempt of the 1st PRESEASON game to make up your mind on whether or not Cassell improved over the summer.

No need to rush to judgement or anything.
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Really some of you guys need to chill.

Are you stating that you saw improvement?

notorious
08-15-2010, 03:07 PM
Cassel = :facepalm:

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:19 PM
Let's start with the 31 other starters in the NFL, and Brodie Croyle.

Then there's Luke McCown, Tyler Thigpen, Chad Pennington, Steven McGee, Jimmy Clausen, Sage Rosenfel, Tavaris Jackson (assuming Favre returns) and Billy Volek.

These are all guys who have either produced in the past, or that looked good in their preseason debuts, where Cassel sucked ass last year, and last night.
You have proven yourself to be a total dumbass. Right. Those guys you just mentioned have taken a team to an 11-5 record while throwing for nearly 4,000 yards. Because, you know, after all, anyone could do that.
Total Shithead post Milkman.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:22 PM
You have proven yourself to be a total dumbass. Right. Those guys you just mentioned have taken a team to an 11-5 record while throwing for nearly 4,000 yards. Because, you know, after all, anyone could do that.
Total Shithead post Milkman.

You're a fucking idiot.

There is no forum member less knowledgeable about football than you.

notorious
08-15-2010, 03:25 PM
Those guys you just mentioned have taken a team to an 11-5 record while throwing for nearly 4,000 yards.

None of those guys were surrounded by one the best teams in NFL history, either.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:25 PM
And likely won't get one as NFL ready as Sanchez or Clausen, let alone, trading for someone like Whitehurst or McNabb.
Right, because Sanchez and Clausen are SO good.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:27 PM
Right, because Sanchez and Clausen are SO good.

Just fuck off. You're clearly talking out of your ass, as usual.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 03:28 PM
Right, because Sanchez and Clausen are SO good.

Both are immensely more talented than Cassel, and it's not even close. Our piece of shit would be a great backup, nothing more.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:29 PM
You're a ****ing idiot.

There is no forum member less knowledgeable about football than you.
Ok genius, you think Tavaris Jackson steps in and goes 11-5 in New England. Cuz he threw for 4,000 in Minnesota. Oh wait..he didn't did he?
You are the total fucking idiot.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 03:30 PM
Ok genius, you think Tavaris Jackson steps in and goes 11-5 in New England. Cuz he threw for 4,000 in Minnesota. Oh wait..he didn't did he?
You are the total ****ing idiot.

If Cassel could do it, the statistics suggest that pretty much any QB in the league could, too.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:31 PM
If you agree with Milkmans moronic post about 40 qbs that included the shit he listed then you are proven football dumbasses.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 03:33 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:33 PM
If Cassel could do it, the statistics suggest that pretty much any QB in the league could, too.
Sure. 40 of them. You know shit about football.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:34 PM
Ok genius, you think Tavaris Jackson steps in and goes 11-5 in New England. Cuz he threw for 4,000 in Minnesota. Oh wait..he didn't did he?
You are the total fucking idiot.

Absolutely, as could a handful of other QB, if not more. Hell, Sage Rosenfels would probably have been far more effective than Cassel and he certainly wouldn't have taken 47 sacks in 15 games.

You're dumb. Just go the fuck away.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 03:34 PM
Sure. 40 of them. You know shit about football.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:38 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
Well fuck I'm going to go by some dumbass formula that says Tom Brady was the best qb in football last year.
Sure dummy, Cassel is 44 and Tom Brady was better last year than Brees,Rodgers or Manning.
Ass hole.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:39 PM
Well fuck I'm going to go by some dumbass formula that says Tom Brady was the best qb in football last year.
Sure dummy, Cassel is 44 and Tom Brady was better last year than Brees,Rodgers or Manning.
Ass hole.

Why does it hurt your ass so much that Cassel sucks?

He fucking put up worse numbers than Tyler Thigpen the year before.

He sucks fucking ass. Period, bottom line, end of story.

MGRS13
08-15-2010, 03:40 PM
look heres the deal cassel is not very good. Thats a pretty easy read. But all u really need to do is go back and watch the game. Cassel and Croyle are standing next to each other on the sideline and u can clearly see that Cassel is about 40 pounds heavier then Croyle. Hes got about 3 ionches on the guy and is just way wider. The deal is Cassel isn't very good but croyle can't make it in the leagus because his body just isn't built for it. The fact is we need a new QB and not one on this roster.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Well **** I'm going to go by some dumbass formula that says Tom Brady was the best qb in football last year.
Sure dummy, Cassel is 44 and Tom Brady was better last year than Brees,Rodgers or Manning.
Ass hole.

LMAO. Ok, Ass.....hole. Ass hole. LMAO.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Absolutely, as could a handful of other QB, if not more. Hell, Sage Rosenfels would probably have been far more effective than Cassel and he certainly wouldn't have taken 47 sacks in 15 games.

You're dumb. Just go the **** away.
Sure. Right. Sage Rosenfels. I'm sure Belichick and the folks in New England would agree with you.

You and the other dummies like you who think the Ravens and Eagles have been the model NFL franchises deserve each other. Oh, I forgot the Packers.

You frauds don't know shit.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:43 PM
Sure. Right. Sage Rosenfels. I'm sure Belichick and the folks in New England would agree with you.

You and the other dummies like you who think the Ravens and Eagles have been the model NFL franchises deserve each other. Oh, I forgot the Packers.

You frauds don't know shit.

Thanks for proving to the entire forum that you're a fucking dumbshit, once and for all.

Good job.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:45 PM
LMAO. Ok, Ass.....hole. Ass hole. LMAO.
So Tom Brady was the best qb in football last year? Because that's what your brilliant formula came up with,fuckhead.

donkhater
08-15-2010, 03:46 PM
Are you stating that you saw improvement?

No. But I really didn't see a whole lot of him to make a judgement one way or another.

But what does it matter? He's the QB. You guys are getting worked up over something you have absolutely no control over. NONE. If I'm going to invest myself in this team for the next 5 months, I sure as hell ain't going to go bat-shit crazy over 3 series in a preseason game. And I sure as hell ain't going to make up my mind on Cassel's improvement after his first pass attempt as you clearly have.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Thanks for proving to the entire forum that you're a ****ing dumbshit, once and for all.

Good job.
And how exactly did I do that? Or you just saying it makes it so. So tell me how the Ravens and Eagles and Packers are the model and not the Patriots,Colts,and Steelers.
Tell me how Tavaris Jackson is better than Cassel.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 03:52 PM
And how exactly did I do that? Or you just saying it makes it so. So tell me how the Ravens and Eagles and Packers are the model and not the Patriots,Colts,and Steelers.
Tell me how Tavaris Jackson is better than Cassel.

Who is debate "model" franchises, nitwit?

And I'd Tavaris Jackson any day of the week over Cassel.

Or Sage Rosenfels for that matter. Cassel sucks ass.

And no amount of bitching to the contrary is going to make him improve.

donkhater
08-15-2010, 03:52 PM
I have to side with PZ on this one. To say that there are 40 QB's that could have had the season in NE that Cassel did is ridiculous.

L.A. Chieffan
08-15-2010, 03:57 PM
This really isn't that difficult of a question to answer. Put Brodie under center with the starters and if the results are the same then you know the problem lies with the line.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 04:03 PM
I have to side with PZ on this one. To say that there are 40 QB's that could have had the season in NE that Cassel did is ridiculous.

Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of Cassel's passes were not beyond 10 yards? And the Moss & Welker made the plays, not Cassel?

Do you also realize that a QB with better pocket presence wouldn't have taken 47 sacks in 2008 and just maybe, would have put up even better numbers than Cassel?

Think people, think.

HemiEd
08-15-2010, 04:38 PM
The guy fing sucks. You can blame it on the rain if you want he fing sucks

This, fucking this!

bevischief
08-15-2010, 04:40 PM
If you go off the the 1st preseason game they all suck...

jidar
08-15-2010, 04:43 PM
In New England Cassell took over an offense that had broken every record there was to break the previous season.
He didn't make the playoffs.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-15-2010, 04:47 PM
there is no OL excuse this year

pioli gave Cassel everything he (Pioli) thought he needed


Cassel is responsible for his play this year, and if you think he isn't then you have to indict Pioli for incompetence....

There's no question that Pioli knows this, which is why Cassel's contract is structured with a $7.5 million bonus due in March of 2011. Meaning simply: Improve your play this year, or you're gone.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-15-2010, 04:55 PM
This shit again :shake:

notorious
08-15-2010, 05:45 PM
If you go off the the 1st preseason game and most of last year they all suck...


FYP :)

milkman
08-15-2010, 05:49 PM
I've watched a lot of preseason football this weekend.

I turned it to NFL Network on Friday when I got home from work and it has been there for almost the entirety of the weekend.

Everyone of the QBs I mentioned, except Chad Pennington, who didn't play, and Byron Leftwich, have had far more impressive showings in their first preseason action than Matt Cassel did, and most were playing with the second units.

FTR, I would not be the least bit surprised to see McCown unseat Garrard at QB for the Jags at some point this season.

Also, now that the Seahawks have a quality backup in Charlie Whitehurst, who was very impressive, I think they'll have a very good chance of winning that division.

Another quick observation, I would not be surprised to see Micah Johnson, who I pimped all offseason and thought we should have taken a late round flyer, and absolutely thought we should have persued after the draft, open the season as the staarter on the strongside at LB for the Dolphins.

He was all over the field making plays.

FAX
08-15-2010, 06:02 PM
There's no question that Pioli knows this, which is why Cassel's contract is structured with a $7.5 million bonus due in March of 2011. Meaning simply: Improve your play this year, or you're gone.

That's my take, Mr. Vanilla Thunder.

Pioli will make mistakes, but he's not the moronic idiot some people would like us to believe. Rule 1 in leadership ... you will make errors in judgment, learn, course correct.

FAX

Farzin
08-15-2010, 06:03 PM
2007 Brady - 21 Sacks
2008 Cassel - 47 Sacks
2009 Brady - 16 Sacks

The line is nothing special, but there is a problem here

/thread

THANK YOU! Finally someone else is aware that the O-line is not the issue. KC doesn't have the greatest O-line. There is room for improvement, but blaming them because Cassel takes too long to make a decision is stupid.

milkman
08-15-2010, 06:05 PM
THANK YOU! Finally someone else is aware that the O-line is not the issue. KC doesn't have the greatest O-line. There is room for improvement, but blaming them because Cassel takes too long to make a decision is stupid.

Finally?

Some of us have been pointing this out since the day that Pioli was hred and knew with absolute certainty that he was going to bring in Cassel to be his QB.

Hell, I've talked about this before Pioli was hired.

FAX
08-15-2010, 06:10 PM
Mr. milkman is sort of a Swami kind of dude. Please provide lottery numbers.

Belichick did a great job of positioning Cassel in the marketplace. Franchising him was the icing on the cake. Hell, even Denver wanted the guy.

Never doubt the power of Belichick.

FAX

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 06:19 PM
This shit again :shake:

Exactly what I said when Cassel was acquired.

MadMax
08-15-2010, 06:19 PM
Finally?

Some of us have been pointing this out since the day that Pioli was hred and knew with absolute certainty that he was going to bring in Cassel to be his QB.

Hell, I've talked about this before Pioli was hired.




Yep! And to give a high second round pick for him was asinine...

MadMax
08-15-2010, 06:23 PM
Sure. Right. Sage Rosenfels. I'm sure Belichick and the folks in New England would agree with you.

You and the other dummies like you who think the Ravens and Eagles have been the model NFL franchises deserve each other. Oh, I forgot the Packers.

You frauds don't know shit.




You are hurting son :) And Belichick can suck my dick!!! Who gives a fuck about your idol worship of all things Patriot?

Mecca
08-15-2010, 06:25 PM
You are hurting son :) And Belichick can suck my dick!!! Who gives a fuck about your idol worship of all things Patriot?

I enjoy how we have Patriots fans here to basically protect all things Patriot.

MadMax
08-15-2010, 06:26 PM
Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of Cassel's passes were not beyond 10 yards? And the Moss & Welker made the plays, not Cassel?

Do you also realize that a QB with better pocket presence wouldn't have taken 47 sacks in 2008 and just maybe, would have put up even better numbers than Cassel?

Think people, think.




They can't think because we have an infusion of young idiots.....

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 06:27 PM
Yep! And to give a high second round pick for him was asinine...

Absolutely, especially when you consider that the Redskins gave essentially the same pick, one year later, for Donovan McNabb.

If anyone thinks that Matt Cassel is as good or better than McNabb, they're smoking crack.

Mecca
08-15-2010, 06:31 PM
Absolutely, especially when you consider that the Redskins gave essentially the same pick, one year later, for Donovan McNabb.

If anyone thinks that Matt Cassel is as good or better than McNabb, they're smoking crack.

We're talking about a QB that before he was here what maybe 3 people on the entire board wanted him? Then the trade happens and the majority just flip their views.

Matt Cassel is what he is and we ain't winnin shit with what he is.

milkman
08-15-2010, 06:44 PM
We're talking about a QB that before he was here what maybe 3 people on the entire board wanted him? Then the trade happens and the majority just flip their views.

Matt Cassel is what he is and we ain't winnin shit with what he is.

While true to some extent, the fact is, most of those that were against the idea of trading for Cassel, they were against it because they thought it would involve our #3 pick overall, and you know this as well as I do.

To ignore that fact is to be disingeuous, something that you are very good at.

Mecca
08-15-2010, 06:45 PM
While true to some extent, the fact is, most of those that were against the idea of trading for Cassel, they were against it because they thought it would involve our #3 pick overall, and you know this as well as I do.

To ignore that fact is to be disingeuous, something that you are very good at.

That was part of it for some sure, then there were some that wanted nothing to do with him in any way.

milkman
08-15-2010, 06:51 PM
That was part of it for some sure, then there were some that wanted nothing to do with him in any way.

That's true, but again, don't ignore that fact completely when you make a post like that and no one will call you out for a stupid post.

ChiefsCountry
08-15-2010, 07:02 PM
While true to some extent, the fact is, most of those that were against the idea of trading for Cassel, they were against it because they thought it would involve our #3 pick overall, and you know this as well as I do.


Well it fucked up the #3 pick anyways.

milkman
08-15-2010, 07:05 PM
Well it ****ed up the #3 pick anyways.

No question.

But given what Pioli did in that draft, I'm guessing that pick would have been fucked up regardless.

But, in the end, I'm still pissed that we even gave up our 2nd round pick for the scrub and that broke dick.

Pioli Zombie
08-15-2010, 07:08 PM
"40 better quarterbacks" -MIlkman.
That dumbassery will live in infamy. .

ChiefsCountry
08-15-2010, 07:09 PM
But, in the end, I'm still pissed that we even gave up our 2nd round pick for the scrub and that broke dick.

I'm pissed bc that pick would have been Rey Maualuga.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
I'm pissed bc that pick would have been Rey Maualuga.

No it would not have been. More likely another TE or nickle corner.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-15-2010, 08:46 PM
That's my take, Mr. Vanilla Thunder.

Pioli will make mistakes, but he's not the moronic idiot some people would like us to believe. Rule 1 in leadership ... you will make errors in judgment, learn, course correct.

FAX

Exactly. Sadly though, if Cassel doesn't work out, I see us going after a QB via free agency rather than draft someone high.

Marcellus
08-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Exactly. Sadly though, if Cassel doesn't work out, I see us going after a QB via free agency rather than draft someone high.

I would like to see us draft a guy but then we are starting over yet again.
I am tired of this QB bullshit since Green left. That's why I hope Cassel pulls his head out and starts playing well. It's the best thing that could happen from a franchise standpoint.
He needs to eiither suck badly so we move on or tear it up. The worst thing that could happen would be him playing just well enough to keep his job. It needs to be boom or bust this year.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-15-2010, 09:07 PM
I would like to see us draft a guy but then we are starting over yet again.
I am tired of this QB bullshit since Green left. That's why I hope Cassel pulls his head out and starts playing well. It's the best thing that could happen from a franchise standpoint.
He needs to eiither suck badly so we move on or tear it up. The worst thing that could happen would be him playing just well enough to keep his job. It needs to be boom or bust this year.

I think the Chiefs brass will think that we are only a few pieces away after this year, hence my thinking they'll go after a vet. We are stuck anyway because we won't suck enough this year to be drafting high enough to pick a possible franchise QB. That's why I thought we should've went ahead and drafted a QB like Clausen. Just hope Cassel works out. Hope.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 09:08 PM
I'm pissed bc that pick would have been Rey Maualuga.

Lots of players we missed. That's not a guy I'm losing sleep over. The guy belongs on the Bengals. He's a psycho--I've heard a few people who know him that have said the guy is a complete headcase.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 09:11 PM
Exactly. Sadly though, if Cassel doesn't work out, I see us going after a QB via free agency rather than draft someone high.

If we're going by history, they'll bring in some young QB prospects probably around the 3rd to 7th round. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in a vet as a stopgap until they find a young QB they like.

I don't really mind the draft, but I think the Chiefs made a huge mistake not at least bringing in a late prospect like Lefevour.

milkman
08-15-2010, 09:11 PM
I think the Chiefs brass will think that we are only a few pieces away after this year, hence my thinking they'll go after a vet. We are stuck anyway because we won't suck enough this year to be drafting high enough to pick a possible franchise QB. That's why I thought we should've went ahead and drafted a QB like Clausen. Just hope Cassel works out. Hope.

We'll be drafting in the top ten again next year.

ChiefsCountry
08-15-2010, 09:13 PM
Lots of players we missed. That's not a guy I'm losing sleep over. The guy belongs on the Bengals. He's a psycho--I've heard a few people who know him that have said the guy is a complete headcase.

That seals it - we should have took him if zilla doesn't like him.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 09:17 PM
That seals it - we should have took him if zilla doesn't like him.

Yeah, you're a superstar yourself, fuckstick

Chiefs Pantalones
08-15-2010, 09:24 PM
We'll be drafting in the top ten again next year.

If so, hopefully high enough for a chance at a potential franchise QB.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 09:31 PM
If so, hopefully high enough for a chance at a potential franchise QB.

No hoping needed.

Locker
Mallett
Luck
Gabbert (maybe)

One will be there. We need to hope for a Rothlisberger-like drop.

And the Chiefs made a HUGE fucking mistake by not taking Clausen at 2A, but that might have hurt Cassel's feelings...

Mecca
08-15-2010, 10:02 PM
If we're going by history, they'll bring in some young QB prospects probably around the 3rd to 7th round. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in a vet as a stopgap until they find a young QB they like.

I don't really mind the draft, but I think the Chiefs made a huge mistake not at least bringing in a late prospect like Lefevour.

And that is such a dumb philosophy, praying you trip ass backwards into a QB in the mid to late rounds is no way to build a team.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 10:08 PM
And that is such a dumb philosophy, praying you trip ass backwards into a QB in the mid to late rounds is no way to build a team.

Yeah, unless Cassel is anything short of top tier this season (and not because of the system), I don't think there's any excuse not to take a QB very early next season. Unfortunately, because they brought in no competition for Cassel the past two seasons, we've pigeonholed ourself into our first pick for next year.

xztop12
08-15-2010, 10:11 PM
Wasnt denver gonna trade cutler for MC straight up?

ChiefsCountry
08-15-2010, 10:12 PM
Wasnt denver gonna trade cutler for MC straight up?

Sort of - Cutler to Tampa, Casshole to Dungver, and Tampa's 1st round pick to New England.

Mecca
08-15-2010, 10:15 PM
Yeah, unless Cassel is anything short of top tier this season (and not because of the system), I don't think there's any excuse not to take a QB very early next season. Unfortunately, because they brought in no competition for Cassel the past two seasons, we've pigeonholed ourself into our first pick for next year.

Yet we have a front office that even in that situation would probably pick up Cassel's option and take something else.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 10:17 PM
We're not drafting a QB in round 1 next year.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 10:20 PM
Yet we have a front office that even in that situation would probably pick up Cassel's option and take something else.

Well, like most issues, I'd rather wait to see what happens before saying that. I highly doubt Pioli would build that kind of contractual clause if he wasn't planning on seriously re-evaluating in year 3. And I would hope Weis will be a very loud voice of reason.

I hope.

FAX
08-15-2010, 10:20 PM
Wasnt denver gonna trade cutler for MC straight up?

They were certainly willing to make a deal to get him. They wanted him badly.

Again, though ... Cassel (or at least his contract) is a product of Belichick's ability to create perceived value in a player. If he hadn't come to the Chiefs, he would have gone somewhere else for big money.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 10:39 PM
We'll be drafting in the top ten again next year.

No question about it

Chocolate Hog
08-15-2010, 10:41 PM
No question about it

Wanna bet on that Dane?

Mecca
08-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Well, like most issues, I'd rather wait to see what happens before saying that. I highly doubt Pioli would build that kind of contractual clause if he wasn't planning on seriously re-evaluating in year 3. And I would hope Weis will be a very loud voice of reason.

I hope.

We didn't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that Charlie Weis just coached for 3 years...Matt Cassel is gonna be here awhile.

FAX
08-15-2010, 10:50 PM
We didn't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that Charlie Weis just coached for 3 years...Matt Cassel is gonna be here awhile.

Not if he sucks this year, Mr. Mecca.

Pioli is not that stupid. Nor is Weis. Nor is Haley.

Sorry, but you'll need to sell that crazy sh*t somewhere else.

FAX

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 11:03 PM
Not if he sucks this year, Mr. Mecca.

Pioli is not that stupid. Nor is Weis. Nor is Haley.

Sorry, but you'll need to sell that crazy sh*t somewhere else.

FAX

I need more empirical evidence that Pioli's not that stupid, FAX. Thus far, such examples have been in short supply.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 11:03 PM
Wanna bet on that Dane?

JFC, what's with all the betting this weekend?

Do you really think the Chiefs will win enough games to draft outside of the Top Ten?

Seriously?

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 11:05 PM
I need more empirical evidence that Pioli's not that stupid, FAX. Thus far, such examples have been in short supply.

Ditto.

Passing on Terrance Cody was one thing. Passing on Lindval Joseph was another. Passing on Cam Thomas was quite another.

For a "personnel guru", Pioli has made several horrific personnel decisions, not limited to free agency and the 2009 draft.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 11:09 PM
Ditto.

Passing on Terrance Cody was one thing. Passing on Lindval Joseph was another. Passing on Cam Thomas was quite another.

For a "personnel guru", Pioli has made several horrific personnel decisions, not limited to free agency and the 2009 draft.

The primary plan for the '10 draft seems to have been to help Cassel. Many of the posters here, however, advocated getting stronger up the middle on defense. Which would have been a better option?

And the offensive line has been in need for two years. Our major additions have been two (likely) broke-dicks and one legit rookie. Much credit given to Pioli for the latter.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 11:13 PM
The primary plan for the '10 draft seems to have been to help Cassel. Many of the posters here, however, advocated getting stronger up the middle on defense. Which would have been a better option?

And the offensive line has been in need for two years. Our major additions have been two (likely) broke-dicks and one legit rookie. Much credit given to Pioli for the latter.

They should have packaged up two of their fives and their 2b to grab Dan Williams in the first.

NT>Returner

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 11:17 PM
They should have packaged up two of their fives and their 2b to grab Dan Williams in the first.

NT>Returner

I have no idea how getting a NT wasn't priority #1 as soon as the decision was made to go to the 34, yet here we are, entering season 2, knowing damn good and well that teams are going to run like hell over this defense.

But I'm not a GM, let alone the "Executive of the Decade," so what the **** do I know?

But we shouldn't be critical; this is the second "evaluation year." Year one didn't count.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2010, 11:18 PM
I have no idea how getting a NT wasn't priority #1 as soon as the decision was made to go to the 34, yet here we are, entering season 2, knowing damn good and well that teams are going to run like hell over this defense.

But I'm not a GM, let alone the "Executive of the Decade," so what the fuck do I know?

I cannot fucking believe that the Chiefs are entering the 2010 NFL season with the same exact front seven as 2009.

:shake:

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:19 PM
We didn't use a 2nd round pick on a QB that Charlie Weis just coached for 3 years...Matt Cassel is gonna be here awhile.

I wanted Clausen too. But let's face one fact... we've been harping on the Chiefs to land a franchise QB and people have been arguing left and right about how you have to get that QB in the first round. So it's a catch-22.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 11:25 PM
I wanted Clausen too. But let's face one fact... we've been harping on the Chiefs to land a franchise QB and people have been arguing left and right about how you have to get that QB in the first round. So it's a catch-22.

No, it's not.

If you took a poll before the draft, the vast majority of posters would have said that Clausen would go in the first round, so it's not like we're talking about Croyle II here.

Yes, most say "first round," but I think it's safe to extrapolate that to "first-round talent." In other words, not too many would bitch if a legit prospect was drafted at #35.

okcchief
08-15-2010, 11:25 PM
Both the Oline and Cassel suck. I really hope he would improve but I really feel like this will be his last season as a starter in Kansas City.

I think it's apparent now that Pioli's first big free agent signing and draft picks were shit. Tyson Jackson could be an ok player but not worth the pick they used on him. Trading Cassel for a second round pick wasn't a bad move at the time, but signing him to the huge ****ing contract was.

I still think this team will be better and could win 6-8 wins with the schedule we have. I don't know how good of news that is since we will still be looking for our franchise QB and may not have a high pick to go after one. I really don't know if Sanchez was it or not but his odds are better than Cassels.

I'm not going to throw in the towel after one preseason game but I don't like what I saw out of Cassel and the Oline what so ever. I really want them to show me wrong. I don't give a **** who carries us to greener pastures I just want to win god damn it!

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:25 PM
I need more empirical evidence that Pioli's not that stupid, FAX. Thus far, such examples have been in short supply.

Based on decisions made in 2009, which we do have "empirical evidence" of, you're absolutely right. Cassel and Jackson are looking to be complete misfires, so Pioli's true track record is not so hot.

But it's still "wait and see" on 2010 and it's way too soon to say we misfired this season. Unlike 2009, the Chiefs got pretty rave reviews throughout for their draft.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:28 PM
No, it's not.

If you took a poll before the draft, the vast majority of posters would have said that Clausen would go in the first round, so it's not like we're talking about Croyle II here.

Yes, most say "first round," but I think it's safe to extrapolate that to "first-round talent." In other words, not too many would bitch if a legit prospect was drafted at #35.

I was in that boat too, but you're still arguing semantics because 32 teams with a lot more information than we have decided that he wasn't a first round value. It's one thing if one or two teams passed up on him. But when all teams pass up on him, something's up.

DeezNutz
08-15-2010, 11:30 PM
Based on decisions made in 2009, which we do have "empirical evidence" of, you're absolutely right. Cassel and Jackson are looking to be complete misfires, so Pioli's true track record is not so hot.

But it's still "wait and see" on 2010 and it's way too soon to say we misfired this season. Unlike 2009, the Chiefs got pretty rave reviews throughout for their draft.

Absolutely. Berry: great. McCluster: I can totally understand. Arenas: hate. Asasimoohasas: great. Brokaki: speaks for itself. Lewis: looks very promising.

Hell, all in all, not a bad looking draft. Much potential.

But it's still infuriating that we're STILL soft as **** up the middle on defense. This is something that, pre-draft, most posters agreed upon. The debate was how best to fix it. Williams? Berry? McClain? But all three levels needed to be addressed. And this could have happened...

Mecca
08-15-2010, 11:30 PM
We're looking at a team that has a shitty QB, a marginal OL at best a horrid front 7...it leaves us with a good secondary, good RB's and the receivers I consider middle of the pack for the league, maybe slightly below league average based on consistency.

After 2 years of moves this team is still one of the 10 worst teams in football.

Mecca
08-15-2010, 11:34 PM
Absolutely. Berry: great. McCluster: I can totally understand. Arenas: hate. Asasimoohasas: great. Brokaki: speaks for itself. Lewis: looks very promising.

Hell, all in all, not a bad looking draft. Much potential.

But it's still infuriating that we're STILL soft as **** up the middle on defense. This is something that, pre-draft, most posters agreed upon. The debate was how best to fix it. Williams? Berry? McClain? But all three levels needed to be addressed. And this could have happened...

2 years in a row this team has had a chance to add a MLB in UDFA that probably could have started here in Ellerbee and Micah Johnson yet here we sit with Corey Mays.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:38 PM
Absolutely. Berry: great. McCluster: I can totally understand. Arenas: hate. Asasimoohasas: great. Brokaki: speaks for itself. Lewis: looks very promising.

Hell, all in all, not a bad looking draft. Much potential.

But it's still infuriating that we're STILL soft as **** up the middle on defense. This is something that, pre-draft, most posters agreed upon. The debate was how best to fix it. Williams? Berry? McClain? But all three levels needed to be addressed. And this could have happened...

I agree. The one guy I thought we really whiffed on was Dansby. I don't know why the Chiefs didn't throw a whole ton of cash at him. Other than that, I just don't see the options. I think the Chiefs got screwed quite a bit by the uncapped year--I bet they would have made a really strong play for Wilfork and could have easily gotten Pickett or Aubrayo Franklin. Unfortunately, you can't really point to a lot of attractive options that the Chiefs really whiffed on this season.

KC Tattoo
08-15-2010, 11:40 PM
For the last twenty year, the longest term QB was Trent Green. What 5 years with him? On average a QB last 2 to three years for us & most of them have been stop gap or reject QBs. What would it hurt the Chiefs to draft a QB that may be around for 10-12 years to come? Sure he is going to start on a bad team and struggle. At least would give us time to build a team for long term success, rather than fix holes with FA bandages.

I think the Chiefs are the only franchise not to draft a QBotf. We did draft Brodie Croyle, but with his injuries, he has been pretty much black balled & not given a true chance. I believe he has to earn that chance back, but he has out performed Cassel other than his last INT. Most other teams are taking QBs.. The Chargers drafted a QB after Ryan Leaf abysmal EPIC failure. They drafted Drew Brees, then decided to draft Phylip Rivers. They have dominated our division over the last 5-6 years now and they are the only team in our division not shuffling QBs. I know it would be crazy and all, but IMO having a young guy from the draft to take over the reins as our franchise QB, could lead us to years and years of playoffs and maybe a shot or two at the title. As long as we keep "rebuilding" with FA or old timers that last two years at best, we are always going to be "rebuilding". JMHCFO.

Ofcourse we can't do that. Nobody would have the patience needed to develop a young QB & the first time he throws an INT he sucks / True Chiefs fans.

Now Broncos got Tebow for there future. It would be bitter sweet to have battles with them over the next decade with a QB that we picked from the NFL draft. A QB that we can call our own & year in year out expect him to get better, and get us competing for championships. I'm just dreaming here, something I've wanted ever since Joe Montana couldn't get us a SB. sigh

Mecca
08-15-2010, 11:54 PM
Developing a QB in this town is a lost cause and the GM's we've had realize that so they aren't going to stake their job on using a top 10 pick on one.

Chocolate Hog
08-15-2010, 11:57 PM
JFC, what's with all the betting this weekend?

Do you really think the Chiefs will win enough games to draft outside of the Top Ten?

Seriously?

They'll pick 11th finishing 6-10.


If I lose i'll send you a bottle of bbq.


If I win you gotta drive me around town in your Escalade while two hot lesbians eat eachother out in the backseat.

Chocolate Hog
08-15-2010, 11:57 PM
Ditto.

Passing on Terrance Cody was one thing. Passing on Lindval Joseph was another. Passing on Cam Thomas was quite another.

For a "personnel guru", Pioli has made several horrific personnel decisions, not limited to free agency and the 2009 draft.

Cam Thomas will be the most overrated played since Kentwan Balmer. Having first round talent around you sure helps.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:58 PM
They'll pick 11th finishing 6-10.


If I lose i'll send you a bottle of bbq.


If I win you gotta drive me around town in your Escalade while two hot lesbians eat eachother out in the backseat.

I think 6-10 is a pretty good guess.

chiefzilla1501
08-15-2010, 11:59 PM
Cam Thomas will be the most overrated played since Kentwan Balmer. Having first round talent around you sure helps.

Thing is that only people on this board have him rated anywhere. There's a reason he dropped as low as he did.

Mecca
08-16-2010, 12:01 AM
Thing is that only people on this board have him rated anywhere. There's a reason he dropped as low as he did.

This stuff is said about all sorts of mid round prospects people like, it doesn't mean the guy has no future.

Fuck I liked Davone Bess who didn't get drafted, he's playing right?

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2010, 12:07 AM
This stuff is said about all sorts of mid round prospects people like, it doesn't mean the guy has no future.

**** I liked Davone Bess who didn't get drafted, he's playing right?

Dude, give me a fucking break. Yes, some mid round prospects break through. 90% of them don't. It's not to say Cam Thomas is a guaranteed bust. But given where he was taken, safe to say that most teams don't think the guy will amount to anything.

This isn't a knock on you. I respect your input on college players. But given that all 32 teams thought that low of him, it's a pretty huge uphill climb for him.

FAX
08-16-2010, 12:21 AM
I need more empirical evidence that Pioli's not that stupid, FAX. Thus far, such examples have been in short supply.

Perhaps this might be a better way to look at it then, Mr. DeezNutz.

Do you honestly believe that Clark Hunt will agree to handing Cassel an 18 million dollar bonus check after putting up stats similar to last year's effort?

FAX

FAX
08-16-2010, 12:25 AM
Ditto.

Passing on Terrance Cody was one thing. Passing on Lindval Joseph was another. Passing on Cam Thomas was quite another.

For a "personnel guru", Pioli has made several horrific personnel decisions, not limited to free agency and the 2009 draft.

Pioli has made mistakes. No one disagrees with that. How many executives do you know who haven't made errors in judgment?

It doesn't mean the man is a fool. Unless, of course, we don't see corrections made over the next couple of years as they attempt to "build" a team consistent with their vision. Temper vehemence with patience.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
08-16-2010, 12:35 AM
Cam Thomas will be the most overrated played since Kentwan Balmer. Having first round talent around you sure helps.

The point was that he's a NT with some upside and he was available when the Chiefs chose in the fifth.

Instead, they've chosen to trot out Ron Edwards and Derek Lokey.

:shake:

Not good.

DaneMcCloud
08-16-2010, 12:36 AM
They'll pick 11th finishing 6-10.


If I lose i'll send you a bottle of bbq.


If I win you gotta drive me around town in your Escalade while two hot lesbians eat eachother out in the backseat.

LMAO