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Tribal Warfare
08-16-2010, 01:52 AM
Javier Arenas could be the Chiefs' next great return man (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/15/2152077/javier-arenas-could-the-chiefs.html)
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

ST. JOSEPH | Based on just two weeks of training camp and one exhibition game, Chiefs coach Todd Haley isn’t ready to declare rookie Javier Arenas the next Dante Hall.

But Arenas, a second-round draft pick from Alabama, gave an indication in the exhibition opener Friday at Atlanta that he has the ability to restore the Chiefs’ lineage of talented kick-return men that was severed with the departure of Hall in 2007.

In the 1960s, it was Nolan “Super Gnat” Smith; in the 1970s, it was Ed Podolak; in the ’80s it was J.T. Smith; in the ’90s, it was Tamarick Vanover. And during the first half of the 2000s, it was Hall, whose six kickoff and five punt returns with the Chiefs combined to rank third in NFL history.

Noland Smith (1968), Podolak (1970), J.T. Smith (1980) and Hall (2003) all led the league in punt returns once in their careers, and Vanover (1996) led the AFC in kickoff returns.

“A goal of a return man for Kansas City would be to be mentioned in the same sentences as those guys,” Arenas said Sunday. “But first and foremost, you want to contribute, you want to do your job.”

In his pro debut, Arenas returned three kickoffs for 85 yards, including a 42-yarder in the third quarter. In addition, a 99-yard return for a touchdown was nullified because of a holding penalty on rookie free agent Justin Cole.

“It was a good start for us as a unit,” said Arenas, who stiff-armed Atlanta kicker Steve Hauschka on the 42-yard return but couldn’t escape him before being pushed out of bounds.

“I just go back there and be me … playing loose and using my God-given ability and trusting the guys blocking for me. I’m getting a chance. It’s what I do with it.”

Arenas, selected with the draft pick the Chiefs obtained in the Tony Gonzalez trade, called fair catches on both of his punt-return opportunities and let one kickoff go for a touchback. Haley was as impressed with those two decisions as he was the returns.

“Right out of the gate, on the first punt return, he called a fair catch, in traffic, it’s in his own end; he had a couple of those factors to deal with,” Haley said. “He did a good job of not catching the one that went into the end zone. That’s a real good sign from a young guy.

“The whole team recognized if they could do their job up front on these kickoff returns and punt returns, we have a chance to make big plays, and that can be a weapon for us, if he continues to progress and do the things he’s been doing.”

Arenas came to the Chiefs with impeccable credentials as a kick returner at Alabama. His seven punt returns for touchdowns rank first in SEC history and third in NCAA history. He was also the only college football player ever to generate more than 1,500 yards in punt returns and 2,000 yards in kickoff returns in a career.

“There is a lot of natural instinct in that position, and he appears to be real good with the ball in his hands,” Haley said. “We’ve seen that on interceptions in college, we’ve seen it on the practice field. He’s got a natural feel for running with the football in his hands. He’s got good vision. He knows how to set blocks. He’s got a skill set that enables him to use all of his assets.”

Arenas is also playing nickel back with the first-team defense. The Falcons didn’t go with many three-receiver sets Friday, so Arenas will have to wait until the second exhibition game on Saturday night at Tampa Bay to get more involved with the defense.

Arenas, who is just 5-foot-9 and 197 pounds, intercepted six passes in his two years as a starting left cornerback at Alabama, including five as a senior for the national-champion Tide. He also was a successful on-the-corner blitzer, recording seven sacks, including five as a senior. And he was beaten for just one touchdown.

“I play cornerback,” Arenas said, not wanting to be typecast as just a return man. “Returning is second for me. I’m not being greedy and saying I just want to do one thing. When I go out there and practice and give it my all, wherever role is, I’ll do the best.”

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 03:04 AM
Shitty in coverage. Still a stupid 2nd round pick.

TRR
08-16-2010, 05:17 AM
Shitty in coverage. Still a stupid 2nd round pick.

Weren't you the one that said Arenas was slow?
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T-post Tom
08-16-2010, 06:05 AM
Shitty in coverage. Still a stupid 2nd round pick.

Personally, I wouldn't judge any player after one preseason game: good or bad. I'm crazy that way.

tyton75
08-16-2010, 06:14 AM
At least it was a good start.. better than had he fumbled twice or something

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2010, 06:17 AM
Weren't you the one that said Arenas was slow?
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Arenas and McCluster were called slow by quite a few on here.

Hog Farmer
08-16-2010, 06:38 AM
Arenas was a good pick. He'll win us two games this year with returns. Watch and see!

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 07:07 AM
Arenas was an outstanding return man in college. This is no surprise. Lets see if he can learn to play corner.

McCluster was the entire Ole Miss offense last year. For anyone who watches a lot of SEC football it's also no surprise to see him be a dynamic runner/receiver.

Bane
08-16-2010, 07:09 AM
Shitty in coverage. Still a stupid 2nd round pick.

Yeah? How was that Texas/Neb game for ya last year!LMAO

Von Dumbass
08-16-2010, 07:15 AM
Is it just me or do "great" return guys only seem to have one or two good seasons and then fade. Jermaine Lewis, Dante Hall, Hester.....

donkhater
08-16-2010, 07:16 AM
Shitty pick or not, the return game was no question a weakness on this team that needed addressed.

SNR
08-16-2010, 08:19 AM
Is it just me or do "great" return guys only seem to have one or two good seasons and then fade. Jermaine Lewis, Dante Hall, Hester.....Seems that way, doesn't it. I wonder how many actually good seasons we'll see out of Josh Cribbs

Rausch
08-16-2010, 08:43 AM
Is it just me or do "great" return guys only seem to have one or two good seasons and then fade. Jermaine Lewis, Dante Hall, Hester.....

Mel Grey, Rod Woodson, Brian Mitchell anyone?...

loochy
08-16-2010, 09:18 AM
Mel Grey, Rod Woodson, Brian Mitchell anyone?...

Tammarick Vanover...:D

Torching the Donks:
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Torching the Donks again:
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boogblaster
08-16-2010, 09:20 AM
At least we have a returnman now ...

KCtotheSB
08-16-2010, 09:27 AM
Shitty pick or not, the return game was no question a weakness on this team that needed addressed.

Exactly.

The return game was abysmal last season (save for Charles return vs Pittsburgh, but I think he might be needed elsewhere :p ).

COchief
08-16-2010, 10:16 AM
Tammarick Vanover...:D

Torching the Donks:
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I saw the second one live at Pile High, I was going nuts as it was a grinder type of game until that play. Huge black guy gave me the dirtiest look ever.

Ralphy Boy
08-16-2010, 10:25 AM
When I think of Arenas I think of Perrish Cox, who went to Denver in the 5th, as both were similarly rated CB's that were also record setting return specialists.

Cox is probably a more legitimate CB but has 3 kids and maturity issues.

Arenas is by all accounts a leader yet a couple inches shorter and a better all around defender.

Hopefully picking Arenas, 3 rounds higher than Cox ended up going, pays off for us.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 10:48 AM
When I think of Arenas I think of Perrish Cox, who went to Denver in the 5th, as both were similarly rated CB's that were also record setting return specialists.

Cox is probably a more legitimate CB but has 3 kids and maturity issues.

Arenas is by all accounts a leader yet a couple inches shorter and a better all around defender.

Hopefully picking Arenas, 3 rounds higher than Cox ended up going, pays off for us.

Arenas was a better, and more dangerous, returner in college than Perrish Cox. Arenas was Freshman All-SEC, 2nd team All-SEC, 1st team All-SEC and an All-American

Cox's off-field issues and slow 40-time at the combine contributed to his fall.

Against the Bengals Cox was unimpressive on kick returns and muffed a punt which was recovered by Cincinnati.

the Talking Can
08-16-2010, 10:54 AM
can he play QB?

beach tribe
08-16-2010, 11:25 AM
Shitty in coverage. Still a stupid 2nd round pick.

He was damn good in coverage at Alabama, and is going to be a fine nickel back. And in today's air it out NFL nickel corners spend enough time on the field to damn near be considered starters. The value of the safety position, and the nickel back have sky rocketed. Teams who realize that are ahead of the curve in this area.

Fish
08-16-2010, 11:56 AM
Shitty pick or not, the return game was no question a weakness on this team that needed addressed.

Yes... and since we completely ignored the NT and LB position on defense in favor of a nickelback return guy, we'll certainly be returning lots of kicks.....

Flachief58
08-16-2010, 12:09 PM
I agree with you (reluctantly since you are who you are) but once these guys have been around for a couple of years, the other teams figure out the tendencies and the speed diminishes. Thus the once "great" returners seem to faid away. That makes it that much more important to keep fresh legs in there at return man.



Is it just me or do "great" return guys only seem to have one or two good seasons and then fade. Jermaine Lewis, Dante Hall, Hester.....

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 12:15 PM
Arenas and McCluster were called 'not fast' by quite a few on here.
FYP

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 12:33 PM
Weren't you the one that said Arenas was slow?
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Yup and he is. He ran a 4.7 he's slow in zone coverage too. He's good in the kick game because he can make guys miss thats different than speed.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 12:35 PM
Yeah? How was that Texas/Neb game for ya last year!LMAO

The Neb/Mizzou game was alot better. Nebraska kicked your ass.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 12:48 PM
Yup and he is. He ran a 4.7 he's slow in zone coverage too. He's good in the kick game because he can make guys miss thats different than speed.

Where are you getting the 4.7 number from?

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 12:52 PM
Where are you getting the 4.7 number from?

All the reports I read said 4.6- 4.7. Why did you read something different?

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 12:54 PM
All the reports I read said 4.6- 4.7. Why did you read something different?

Are you talking about from the combine? You realize that he injured his hamstring and pulled up at the end of his first 40 run at the combine and sat out the rest? I can't find an official combine time, but this has his unofficial first run at 4.52 and all sites I can find have him clocked at under 4.6.

Alabama cornerback Javier Arenas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25546) tweaked his hamstring running the 40 and didn’t go a second time. He ran a 4.52 unofficially on the first one.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/9312/nfl-combine-report-berry-runs-a-4-4

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:00 PM
Kendrick Lewis is slow too, and because of this the offensive players will be able to run an extra 10 yards everytime they run at him. :facepalm:

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 01:01 PM
McCluster and Arenas are both more quick than fast

but that's fine as long as they 'play fast' which is seems like they do


still doesn't mean i like our 2nd round

Arenas is a good return man ... we don't really need him as a CB
McCluster might be a good slot WR ... we don't really need him as a RB

i would rather of had jordan shipley in round 3 and put the Slot WR/KR into one player.

Then we could address LB/NT/QB or something in round 2

hell ... i would of been ok even taking Troup AND Cody in the 2nd round. :shrug:

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 01:06 PM
McCluster and Arenas are both more quick than fast

but that's fine as long as they 'play fast' which is seems like they do


still doesn't mean i like our 2nd round

Arenas is a good return man ... we don't really need him as a CB
McCluster might be a good slot WR ... we don't really need him as a RB

i would rather of had jordan shipley in round 3 and put the Slot WR/KR into one player.

Then we could address LB/NT/QB or something in round 2

hell ... i would of been ok even taking Troup AND Cody in the 2nd round. :shrug:

I would rather have drafted someone else in the second round and signed Brandon Banks who wasn't even drafted. He returned a kick for a TD the other night that dude is fast.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 01:07 PM
I would rather have drafted someone else in the second round and signed Brandon Banks who wasn't even drafted. He returned a kick for a TD the other night that dude is fast.

If you wanted to just get a pure kick returner who won't contribute much elsewhere then you would have signed Brandon James. He's with Indy now.

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:09 PM
If you wanted to just get a pure kick returner who won't contribute much elsewhere then you would have signed Brandon James. He's with Indy now.

Figured you'd mention him.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 01:11 PM
Figured you'd mention him.

I'm not a big fan of carrying a guy who won't contribute anywhere except KR/PR. If you're a top contending team then maybe you can have that luxury. To me, it's about as wasteful as having a kickoff specialist.

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 01:12 PM
If you wanted to just get a pure kick returner who won't contribute much elsewhere then you would have signed Brandon James. He's with Indy now.
better than using a 2nd round pick on a returner when we have so many other needs.

and once again ... this isn't about not liking McCluster/Arenas. They seem like nice players, but imo if you have other viable options you secure your starting 22 before grabbing "extras".

imo there were other viable options, who had just as much talent, who played at a starter positions.

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:15 PM
I'm not a big fan of carrying a guy who won't contribute anywhere except KR/PR. If you're a top contending team then maybe you can have that luxury. To me, it's about as wasteful as having a kickoff specialist.

Well the Chiefs had one of the worst nickel packages in the NFL in 2009, and adding Arenas and taking out Leggett only makes them better.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 01:23 PM
Well the Chiefs had one of the worst nickel packages in the NFL in 2009, and adding Arenas and taking out Leggett only makes them better.

No it doesn't.

Ralphy Boy
08-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Well the Chiefs had one of the worst nickel packages in the NFL in 2009, and adding Arenas and taking out Leggett only makes them better.

Without a doubt, but I wasn't a fan of the pick either.

Watching him return that punt 99 yards made me reconsider.

Like I said, I'll always think of Perrish Cox when I think of Arenas. Both CB and return specialists that were rated nearly equally and picked 3 rounds apart. It will be interesting to see how their careers progress.

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:25 PM
No it doesn't.

So it stayed the same? I love your in-depth analysis.

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:27 PM
Without a doubt, but I wasn't a fan of the pick either.

Watching him return that punt 99 yards made me reconsider.

Like I said, I'll always think of Perrish Cox when I think of Arenas. Both CB and return specialists that were rated nearly equally and picked 3 rounds apart. It will be interesting to see how their careers progress.

I like Perrish Cox as a CB, but as far as the NB position goes, I think Arenas is better suited for that, and Arenas is by far a better kick/punt returner than Cox. I think that is pretty obvious.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 01:35 PM
So it stayed the same? I love your in-depth analysis.

You really are a fucking idiot. Seriously do you watch fooball at all?

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:37 PM
You really are a ****ing idiot. Seriously do you watch fooball at all?

lol you're such a retard.

Was your big sister on crack when she had you?

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 01:42 PM
lol you're such a retard.

Was your big sister on crack when she had you?

Says the guy whos trying to justify picking a marginal nickelback in the 2nd round.


Javier sure was great aginst Shipley in the title game wasn't he? If only you watched the games you fucking dolt.

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Well the Chiefs had one of the worst nickel packages in the NFL in 2009, and adding Arenas and taking out Leggett only makes them better.
yea ... but they have lots of other options for it now.

we don't have a starting nose tackle worth a shit at all

our starting ILB's suck

our OLB is 90 years old

one of our safeties should be special teams only

our starting right tackle is looking shaky(i imagine it was a shock to his system when he is only used to working against Jackson though)

our starting center has an old dude and teh suck dude


but hey ... that return/nickle is more important than finding a starting at these other 7 positions.

DeezNutz
08-16-2010, 01:46 PM
yea ... but they have lots of other options for it now.

we don't have a starting nose tackle worth a shit at all

our starting ILB's suck

our OLB is 90 years old

one of our safeties should be special teams only

our starting right tackle is looking shaky(i imagine it was a shock to his system when he is only used to working against Jackson though)

our starting center has an old dude and teh suck dude


but hey ... that return/nickle is more important than finding a starting at these other 7 positions.

Another draftabulator, bitching.

Surprises abound at CP. :evil:

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 01:47 PM
Another draftabulator, bitching.

Surprises abound at CP. :evil:

No dude trading Gonzalez for Mark McMillan was a good trade yer just mad because you aint the GM!

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 01:47 PM
Another draftabulator,
:cuss:

KCrockaholic
08-16-2010, 01:49 PM
yea ... but they have lots of other options for it now.

we don't have a starting nose tackle worth a shit at all

our starting ILB's suck

our OLB is 90 years old

one of our safeties should be special teams only

our starting right tackle is looking shaky(i imagine it was a shock to his system when he is only used to working against Jackson though)

our starting center has an old dude and teh suck dude


but hey ... that return/nickle is more important than finding a starting at these other 7 positions.

Oh I would have loved taking Terrence Cody, or even Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round. But I'm not complaining about the Arenas selection. We got a good player with that pick, and I also understand that you can't improve every position on a roster in one off-season. It's not possible. Now when we go to the 2011 draft we can focus on those areas such as NT and ILB, and RT. It's not all going to be fixed at once, but when we select playmakers, I will accept that every time.

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 01:53 PM
Oh I would have loved taking Terrence Cody, or even Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round. But I'm not complaining about the Arenas selection. We got a good player with that pick, and I also understand that you can't improve every position on a roster in one off-season. It's not possible. Now when we go to the 2011 draft we can focus on those areas such as NT and ILB, and RT. It's not all going to be fixed at once, but when we select playmakers, I will accept that every time.Pioli is building this team like he is in a vat of molasses

slow as fuck

he is willing to sacrifice the entire year just to see if another coach can "coach'em up" so he doesn't have to get another player.

mofo must of gotten a guaranteed 3 year grace period from Clark and he plans on using ever second of it.


:banghead:

Ralphy Boy
08-16-2010, 02:04 PM
I like Perrish Cox as a CB, but as far as the NB position goes, I think Arenas is better suited for that, and Arenas is by far a better kick/punt returner than Cox. I think that is pretty obvious.

I'll grant that Arenas is a better punt returner, having 7 in college. He did not ever return a kickoff for a TD though, whereas Cox had 4.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 02:11 PM
I'll grant that Arenas is a better punt returner, having 7 in college. He did not ever return a kickoff for a TD though, whereas Cox had 4.

Eh, not really. Here are their yearly kick return average stats:

Year - Cox - Arenas
2006 23.80 18.11
2007 21.45 24.33
2008 29.83 23.46
2009 20.94 29.00

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 04:46 PM
Eh, not really. Here are their yearly kick return average stats:

Year - Cox - Arenas
2006 23.80 18.11
2007 21.45 24.33
2008 29.83 23.46
2009 20.94 29.00
you forgot a crucial stat

Cox - 5th round
Arenas - 2nd round

Arenas better start walking the fuck on water being a KR selected in the 2nd round in such a deep draft.

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2010, 05:04 PM
I'll grant that Arenas is a better punt returner, having 7 in college. He did not ever return a kickoff for a TD though, whereas Cox had 4.

If the Chiefs were smart, McCluster would return kicks, Arenas would return punts.

McCluster is a guy who can really make people miss. And he'll have a ton of open space to do that.

Arenas seems to be a vision guy. That's probably why he's so dangerous in the punt game--not an easy thing to see the field as you're about to catch the ball, while also watching to see if you're going to get clocked.

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2010, 05:11 PM
If the Chiefs were smart, McCluster would return kicks, Arenas would return punts.

McCluster is a guy who can really make people miss. And he'll have a ton of open space to do that.

Arenas seems to be a vision guy. That's probably why he's so dangerous in the punt game--not an easy thing to see the field as you're about to catch the ball, while also watching to see if you're going to get clocked.

How much did you see Arenas in college? The guy is quick and elusive. It's no mistake he took that kickoff 99 yards Friday night and another 42 yards. Keep McCluster fresh for offense, let Arenas be the return guy.

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2010, 05:11 PM
Pioli is building this team like he is in a vat of molasses

slow as ****

he is willing to sacrifice the entire year just to see if another coach can "coach'em up" so he doesn't have to get another player.

mofo must of gotten a guaranteed 3 year grace period from Clark and he plans on using ever second of it.


:banghead:

I dont' think the "coaching up" part is accurate.

Arenas is a hell of a lot safer than Perrish Cox, for example.

He's going after safer contributors who are known leaders w/work ethics. I don't know if that works, but I think you could easily make the argument that New England lost its way when they stopped caring about leadership. It's a point both Brady and McGinest have brought up publicly.

chiefzilla1501
08-16-2010, 05:13 PM
How much did you see Arenas in college? The guy is quick and elusive. It's no mistake he took that kickoff 99 yards Friday night and another 42 yards. Keep McCluster fresh for offense, let Arenas be the return guy.

A few things. Doesn't it seem like returners who return both kicks and punts seem to have the shortest shelf life? Yes, he's a good open field runner, but I think McCluster offers a much better ability to make people miss in the open field. I don't have a problem w/Arenas doing both and playing full-time nickel back. But if I had to prioritize, no doubt I'd start him out at punts.

-King-
08-16-2010, 05:15 PM
A few things. Doesn't it seem like returners who return both kicks and punts seem to have the shortest shelf life? Yes, he's a good open field runner, but I think McCluster offers a much better ability to make people miss in the open field. I don't have a problem w/Arenas doing both and playing full-time nickel back. But if I had to prioritize, no doubt I'd start him out at punts.

I don't like when premier playmakers have to return kicks also. That's just overload. When you have a talent like Arenas, you don't have to do that. It's like if Jamaal Charles went back to take kicks. It's just stupid.

beach tribe
08-16-2010, 05:16 PM
How many SEC games do you guys watch up there?
Javier Arenas is going to kick ass in the nickel.
Billay, you think you could link one of those 4.7 40s?
The guy is fast, and Hits like flowers. As a matter of fact, he plays with a lot of the same toughness and attitude,
as BF, and they are about the same size.
We did not draft this guy to be a return specialist, although that is an awesome bonus.
He's here to cover the Welkers, Harvins, and DMCs of the NFL. He'll be on the field for more than half the defensive snaps.

Chocolate Hog
08-16-2010, 05:27 PM
How many SEC games do you guys watch up there?
Javier Arenas is going to kick ass in the nickel.
Billay, you think you could link one of those 4.7 40s?
The guy is fast, and Hits like flowers. As a matter of fact, he plays with a lot of the same toughness and attitude,
as BF, and they are about the same size.
We did not draft this guy to be a return specialist, although that is an awesome bonus.
He's here to cover the Welkers, Harvins, and DMCs of the NFL. He'll be on the field for more than half the defensive snaps.

I'll try to find the scouting report I read just a few days ago. In the meantime heres this

http://draftace.com/profiles/2010/javier_arenas.htm

Strengths:
An aggressive, physical cornerback. Very willing to help out in run support. Frequently used as a pass rusher. Elite return specialist. Great ball skills.
Weaknesses:
Lacks ideal height for a starting cornerback. Straight-line speed is marginal at best.
Comments:
Cousin of Gilbert Arenas... Doesn't have the speed or size to be a starter at the next level, but can be a contributor as a backup and return specialist. Someone may reach for him as high as the 2nd round because of his return abilities.




I'm not making this stuff up everytime I saw Arenas play he looked a bit slow but he's elusive returning kicks. What I noticed the other night is in zone coverage he seemed to be about half a step slow to the ball. I want the guy to succeed I just don't think he was a great 2nd round draft pick.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2010, 05:30 PM
How many SEC games do you guys watch up there?
Javier Arenas is going to kick ass in the nickel.
Billay, you think you could link one of those 4.7 40s?
The guy is fast, and Hits like flowers. As a matter of fact, he plays with a lot of the same toughness and attitude,
as BF, and they are about the same size.
We did not draft this guy to be a return specialist, although that is an awesome bonus.
He's here to cover the Welkers, Harvins, and DMCs of the NFL. He'll be on the field for more than half the defensive snaps.

Spot on. Good blitzer too. It is easy to spot the peeps that have actually watched these guys and the ones who are talking out of thier ass.

notorious
08-16-2010, 05:36 PM
I like Arenas, too. He is a playmaker.

Mr. Laz
08-16-2010, 06:21 PM
Spot on. Good blitzer too. It is easy to spot the peeps that have actually watched these guys and the ones who are talking out of thier ass.
oh suck my dick ... i have seen Arenas play several times.

still doesn't mean his worth is more than a decent NT or ILB.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2010, 06:38 PM
oh suck my dick ... i have seen Arenas play several times.

still doesn't mean his worth is more than a decent NT or ILB.

Here's the rub...I would have rather they selected Cody over Arenas, so I won't argue the NT part at all...but, Beach absolutely nailed why he was selected and is right about the growing role and importance of the 3rd corner. There was a thread a while back and someone posted all the 2nd rounders since 2000 and it was kind of surprising the fail rate throughout the league. Odds are most of these guys we are griping about passing over aren't going to be worth a damn anyway.

J Diddy
08-16-2010, 10:33 PM
oh suck my dick ... i have seen Arenas play several times.

still doesn't mean his worth is more than a decent NT or ILB.

lol, so because you didn't get the pick you wanted the guy they picked is a pos.