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milkman
08-21-2010, 12:53 PM
Since most are on tape delay on NFL Network, it seems we need a repository for things we see.

I'm watching the replay of the Colts-Bills right now, and I'm seeing a Bills O-Line that still has some kinks to work out because they are so young.

But there's clearly a lot of talent there, and they could well be one of the best units in the league by season's end.

CJ Spiller is quick and elusive.

Their defense looks pretty solid.

milkman
08-21-2010, 12:55 PM
Oh, and the Bills coverage teams on returns is pretty pathetic.

2bikemike
08-21-2010, 12:59 PM
I work with a Bills fan and he was pissed when they picked Spiller. I thought it was a pretty good pick up myself.

TrebMaxx
08-21-2010, 01:01 PM
I have noticed that the refs are letting the DB's get quite physical with the receivers.

milkman
08-21-2010, 01:05 PM
I work with a Bills fan and he was pissed when they picked Spiller. I thought it was a pretty good pick up myself.

I can understand that.

There's a couple of areas they could have addressed with that pick, and Spiller would not have been my first choice in their spot.

But, if they had to take a RB, one as dynamic as Spiller isn't a bad choice.

JD10367
08-21-2010, 01:07 PM
From what I've seen, the repositioning of the ump (from behind the middle of the D, to behind and to the side of the O) is going to create more holding calls that go undetected.

milkman
08-21-2010, 01:10 PM
One other thing of note.

Kyle Calloway did not start for the Bills on their line.

Has he suffered an injury that I haven't heard about?

Bowser
08-21-2010, 01:11 PM
From what I've seen, the repositioning of the ump (from behind the middle of the D, to behind and to the side of the O) is going to create more holding calls that go undetected.It's all about protecting the QB anymore. I remember hearing how they said they moved the guy to stop offenses from running pick plays using that ump, and I immediately thought it smelled like bullshit. You might see a couple a week from ALL the games that get played, but really, I doubt if offensive coordinators sit around and scheme plays based on where that ump is set up.

SNR
08-21-2010, 01:13 PM
Could it be that Chan Gailey > Todd Haley

Deberg_1990
08-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Where is this Buffalo game at? Indoors??

Buck
08-21-2010, 01:15 PM
I'm not sure if you guys saw the Chargers first game against the Bears, but Ryan Mathews looked very good.

Bowser
08-21-2010, 01:16 PM
Could it be that Chan Gailey > Todd HaleyThat's stupid. If he had Thigpen on the team, you may have an argument, though.

JD10367
08-21-2010, 01:17 PM
It's all about protecting the QB anymore. I remember hearing how they said they moved the guy to stop offenses from running pick plays using that ump, and I immediately thought it smelled like bullshit. You might see a couple a week from ALL the games that get played, but really, I doubt if offensive coordinators sit around and scheme plays based on where that ump is set up.

Never mind "instant replay" (which I'm all for)... I'm really not even sure why, with today's technology, we need field umpires in sports. All officiating could probably be done off the field using dedicated cameras with umps watching the monitors. Why sports still hinge on stupid things that we can see clearly at home but AREN'T judged correctly in person is beyond me. Too many penalties go uncalled, or stupid things that aren't penalties get called.

JD10367
08-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Where is this Buffalo game at? Indoors??

Toronto.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 01:21 PM
Heres some random observations Milkman

The Texans will have one of the best offenses in the leagues.

The Eagles special teams has improved.

The Patriots will try to run the ball more.

Atlantas secondary is improved.

Peyton Manning is a machine.


Phillip Rivers won't miss Vincent Jackson.


I've watched just about every game on NFL Network.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-21-2010, 01:31 PM
Interesting take, milk.

I read a writeup that seemed to indicate that most of that unit struggled. Then again, he is just pointing out a few assorted bad plays:

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/8/21/1634297/bills-34-colts-21-offense-makes

the Talking Can
08-21-2010, 02:08 PM
good thread idea

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 02:39 PM
The Bills' offensive line is possibly the worst in the entire league...

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-21-2010, 03:22 PM
A lot of people out here seem to think Arizona is going to just keep rolling along and compete against New Orleans again.

I think they're in for rude awakening.

CaliforniaChief
08-21-2010, 03:26 PM
Carson Palmer got all the talent of the Palmer kids.

milkman
08-21-2010, 03:59 PM
Interesting take, milk.

I read a writeup that seemed to indicate that most of that unit struggled. Then again, he is just pointing out a few assorted bad plays:

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/8/21/1634297/bills-34-colts-21-offense-makes

I see the problems with the play in that game without even looking at that site.

There were numerous breakdowns in communications between the unit, which lead to some pass protection problems and missed assignements in the running game.

When everything clicked however, they manhandled the Colts Dline.

The pass protection on the 70 TD to Lee Evans was stellar.

Looked like Trent Green standing in the Chiefs pocket in their heyday.

And they were gashing the defense on the ground pretty good.

chiefzilla1501
08-21-2010, 04:06 PM
TO is the focus of the Bengals' passing game... and that will be very interesting to see how Ochocinco feels about that as the season goes on.

Rex Ryan has put it all on the line w/his Super Bowl claims--that team is running a lot of plays as if it was the regular season and keeping their starters in for a very long time

Jerry Jones is going to regret (even moreso, amazingly) trading for Roy Williams

Just watched the Chiefs' game--the o-line isn't horrible, but Cassel makes them significantly worse. Tyson Jackson's drawing doubles, but I can't remember a time when he was the first guy to sniff out a play. The Chiefs seem to be keeping too much under wraps--they need to test out McCluster at slot and open up the offense to prepare for the season, rather than catch everyone by surprise.

Kevin Kolb is fine, but I think his o-line is going to really hold him back.

I think Cleveland will be a surprise team. They're probably not going to hit .500, but I think they're going to be a tough game every game.

Flacco will have a big season (but he has to be a LOT better in the playoffs).

milkman
08-21-2010, 04:08 PM
I just read the write up that you posted Hamas, and it wasn't too bad.

Except that on the TD pass to Evans, while the design was max protect, the rush was 5 players, and two of the RBs didn't engage in blocks.

Gailey had three RBs lined up in the backfield at the snap, Edwards ran a play fake, and the corner didn't bite on Johnson's route, he bit hard on the fake.

Edwards did make the easy read, but he didn't make the read easy, and took too long to get the ball out too a wide open Evans.

The line did an outstanding job of providing protection, but Edwards needs to make that read much quicker.

milkman
08-21-2010, 04:14 PM
TO is the focus of the Bengals' passing game... and that will be very interesting to see how Ochocinco feels about that as the season goes on.

Rex Ryan has put it all on the line w/his Super Bowl claims--that team is running a lot of plays as if it was the regular season and keeping their starters in for a very long time

Jerry Jones is going to regret (even moreso, amazingly) trading for Roy Williams

Just watched the Chiefs' game--the o-line isn't horrible, but Cassel makes them significantly worse. Tyson Jackson's drawing doubles, but I can't remember a time when he was the first guy to sniff out a play. The Chiefs seem to be keeping too much under wraps--they need to test out McCluster at slot and open up the offense to prepare for the season, rather than catch everyone by surprise.

Kevin Kolb is fine, but I think his o-line is going to really hold him back.

I think Cleveland will be a surprise team. They're probably not going to hit .500, but I think they're going to be a tough game every game.

Flacco will have a big season (but he has to be a LOT better in the playoffs).

Cedric Benson looks like he's going to pick up where he left off last season, and Bernard Scott is going give them a nice 1-2 punch at RB.

That Bengal defense looks improved even from last season.

And while the Philly O-Line isn't going to be doing Kolb any favors, (they look like shit on the ground, as well as a sieve i pass protect), Kolb has good pocket awareness and makes some good throws on the move.

Edit:And Carson Palmer still doesn't look like the same QB since the injury in the playoff game against the Steelers.

chiefzilla1501
08-21-2010, 05:34 PM
Cedric Benson looks like he's going to pick up where he left off last season, and Bernard Scott is going give them a nice 1-2 punch at RB.

That Bengal defense looks improved even from last season.

And while the Philly O-Line isn't going to be doing Kolb any favors, (they look like shit on the ground, as well as a sieve i pass protect), Kolb has good pocket awareness and makes some good throws on the move.

Edit:And Carson Palmer still doesn't look like the same QB since the injury in the playoff game against the Steelers.

I 100% agree on Carson Palmer. Something I said a while ago.

The Bengals need to be a running team. That offense is not built to be an aerial offense and if they start trying to hard to pass the ball to spread touches between Ochocinco and TO, then Palmer is going to get hit once or twice and then his entire game will be thrown off. He's looked average in the preseason, but once teams start throwing a bunch of blitzes, it's going to be a whole different ball game. Palmer, in my opinion, is one of the worst QBs in the league at dealing with a pass rush.

The Bengals were at their best when he was throwing for around 3200 yards. Between Gresham, Ochocinco, TO, and Bryant, and even Benson... that's not a lot of touches to spread around. I still believe the guy that gets impacted the most is Ochocinco. He said he can handle spreading touches w/TO, but we'll see if that's actually true--you can sense in the Eagles game that he was starting to show some frustration.

milkman
08-22-2010, 08:14 AM
The Panthers/Jets game was just ugly.

No one could hold onto the ball.

Deberg_1990
08-22-2010, 08:24 AM
oh, and T.O. is far from washed up and the Chiefs could have used his help regardless of what most Chiefs fans think of his attitude.

milkman
08-22-2010, 08:32 AM
oh, and T.O. is far from washed up and the Chiefs could have used his help regardless of what most Chiefs fans think of his attitude.

I disagree.

On a team with a lot of youg players trying to find their way, you can not have a guy that can be as disruptive as TO in the locker room.

TO isn't washed up, but if things start to go sour in Cinncinatti, his attitude will blow up any chance they might have of recovery.

His attitude blew up the locker room in Dallas, and was a contributing factor in thier failure to make the playoffs in '08.

And I just don't understand how some of can't seem to grasp that.

Buehler445
08-22-2010, 08:51 AM
I 100% agree on Carson Palmer. Something I said a while ago.

The Bengals need to be a running team. That offense is not built to be an aerial offense and if they start trying to hard to pass the ball to spread touches between Ochocinco and TO, then Palmer is going to get hit once or twice and then his entire game will be thrown off. He's looked average in the preseason, but once teams start throwing a bunch of blitzes, it's going to be a whole different ball game. Palmer, in my opinion, is one of the worst QBs in the league at dealing with a pass rush.

The Bengals were at their best when he was throwing for around 3200 yards. Between Gresham, Ochocinco, TO, and Bryant, and even Benson... that's not a lot of touches to spread around. I still believe the guy that gets impacted the most is Ochocinco. He said he can handle spreading touches w/TO, but we'll see if that's actually true--you can sense in the Eagles game that he was starting to show some frustration.

There have been a hell of a lot of games that Ocho Cinco didn't show up. Games where he's had a catch or two. I don't think not getting the ball will be that much of a change for him.
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Hog Farmer
08-22-2010, 08:58 AM
Larry Johnson had one of his better games . 8 rushes for 4 yards ! With a long of 4 !

milkman
08-22-2010, 09:48 AM
Flacco didn't have a good game against the Skins, but Anquan Boldin is going to be a huge asset in Flacco's continued development.

JD10367
08-22-2010, 10:02 AM
I disagree.

On a team with a lot of youg players trying to find their way, you can not have a guy that can be as disruptive as TO in the locker room.

TO isn't washed up, but if things start to go sour in Cinncinatti, his attitude will blow up any chance they might have of recovery.

His attitude blew up the locker room in Dallas, and was a contributing factor in thier failure to make the playoffs in '08.

And I just don't understand how some of can't seem to grasp that.

I agree that a young locker room is more susceptible to a personality like T.O.'s. But you're also ignoring the more recent T.O. who was well-behaved in Buffalo. And that same T.O. that blew up the locker room in Dallas almost won a SB on one leg for Philly against the Patriots.

-King-
08-22-2010, 10:03 AM
The jets wont make it back to the afccg. I guarantee that.
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milkman
08-22-2010, 10:08 AM
I agree that a young locker room is more susceptible to a personality like T.O.'s. But you're also ignoring the more recent T.O. who was well-behaved in Buffalo. And that same T.O. that blew up the locker room in Dallas almost won a SB on one leg for Philly against the Patriots.

I understand that he was on his best behavior with Buffalo, but he was on a one year contract, playing for another big contract.

It didn't work out, because he didn't sign for a big contract with the Bengals.

The one good season with Philly, when things were going good, doesn't erase the attitude issues he had in San Fran before that, and the meltdown he had the season following the SB run.

He proceeded to follow that up with his antics in Dallas.

I just don't believe he's worth the risk that comes with the talent.

the Talking Can
08-22-2010, 10:10 AM
shanny ran haynesworth with the third team, didn't bring him in till the 2nd half


haynseworth said afterwords that the lied about him having "headaches"...he actually used air quotes...ROFL

JD10367
08-22-2010, 10:15 AM
The jets wont make it back to the afccg. I guarantee that.
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Probably not. But, while I despise them, I have to respect them. I think last year's 9-7 team overachieved greatly and Sanchez wasn't that good. This year, though, they've added some solid pieces and Sanchez looks a lot better. The AFC East will probably end with the Bills on the bottom at around 8-8, the Fins next at around 9-7 or 10-6, and the Pats and Jets up top with 11 or 12 wins.

milkman
08-22-2010, 10:19 AM
Probably not. But, while I despise them, I have to respect them. I think last year's 9-7 team overachieved greatly and Sanchez wasn't that good. This year, though, they've added some solid pieces and Sanchez looks a lot better. The AFC East will probably end with the Bills on the bottom at around 8-8, the Fins next at around 9-7 or 10-6, and the Pats and Jets up top with 11 or 12 wins.

I really don't expect Sanchez to look all that improved, if at all, this season.

Remember, this is a guy that only had one season of college starting experience before coming out.

He still has a lot to learn before he actually begins to develop.

Next season, if he is going to be a good QB, will be the season that we start to see him grow.

JMO.

milkman
08-22-2010, 10:54 AM
The Ravens won't miss a beat if Flacco goes down this season with Marc Bulger behind him.

The Bad Guy
08-22-2010, 10:59 AM
The Ravens won't miss a beat if Flacco goes down this season with Marc Bulger behind him.

Now that I disagree with.

Last week they were saying that Troy Smith, not Bulger, would be the backup.

Bulger holds the ball far too long.

Flacco is a machine. Honestly, he's so underrated it's not even funny. To think that Dave Wannstedt started Tyler Palko over him at Pitt is hilarious.

Coach
08-22-2010, 10:59 AM
The Ravens won't miss a beat if Flacco goes down this season with Marc Bulger behind him.

Hmmm... I'd have to disagree on that. Bulger will eventually fuck up somewhere or get injured again.
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milkman
08-22-2010, 11:04 AM
Now that I disagree with.

Last week they were saying that Troy Smith, not Bulger, would be the backup.

Bulger holds the ball far too long.

Flacco is a machine. Honestly, he's so underrated it's not even funny. To think that Dave Wannstedt started Tyler Palko over him at Pitt is hilarious.

Bulger is getting the ball out quicker than I've ever seen him in this game.

Three step drop, and boom, the ball is out.

Same on the five step drops.

Not seeing any 7 step drops.

Bulger looks better than he ever has, and I have to think he's benefitted greatly from Cam Cameron's coaching, who is one of the best at getting the QBs to get the ball out quickly.

JD10367
08-22-2010, 12:00 PM
Now that I disagree with.

Last week they were saying that Troy Smith, not Bulger, would be the backup.

Bulger holds the ball far too long.

Flacco is a machine. Honestly, he's so underrated it's not even funny. To think that Dave Wannstedt started Tyler Palko over him at Pitt is hilarious.

It's all in the name. If he was named "Steve Thorhammer" people would love him. But, he's an average "Joe" with a last name that sounds like "flaccid", which makes guys think of ED, so he doesn't get much respect.

Same thing applies elsewhere. You have a Brees and a Rivers. What the fuck is that? Sounds like a gay music video. But on the other hand you have Peyton Manning. He's got the word "MAN" in his last name, fer crissakes!

Actually, they have a Flacco and a Bulger. It's like the opposite ends of the Viagra spectrum...

Deberg_1990
08-22-2010, 12:03 PM
To think that Dave Wannstedt started Tyler Palko over him at Pitt is hilarious.

to think the Chiefs passed on him twice isnt so hilarious....

DBOSHO
08-22-2010, 12:03 PM
Probably not. But, while I despise them, I have to respect them. I think last year's 9-7 team overachieved greatly and Sanchez wasn't that good. This year, though, they've added some solid pieces and Sanchez looks a lot better. The AFC East will probably end with the Bills on the bottom at around 8-8, the Fins next at around 9-7 or 10-6, and the Pats and Jets up top with 11 or 12 wins.

the bills.

8-8.

DBOSHO
08-22-2010, 12:06 PM
if the patriots defense improves, they will win it all.

JD10367
08-22-2010, 12:10 PM
the bills.

8-8.

You thinking less, or more?

I probably have a higher respect for them, since the Pats get them twice a year. No matter how bad they're supposed to be, they're always a pesky team (like the Jets). And they're remarkably consistent in their averageness.

2000: 8-8, 4th place in the division.
2001: 3-13 (bad year)
2002: 8-8 (4th place again)
2003: 6-10 (3rd)
2004: 9-7 (3rd)
2005: 5-11 (3rd)
2006: 7-9 (3rd)
2007: 7-9 (3rd)
2008: 7-9 (4th)
2009: 6-10 (4th)

Frankly, if the Bills didn't have the bad luck of playing in the tough AFC East, they'd probably have some playoff appearances and a better image.

Deberg_1990
08-22-2010, 12:18 PM
Phins could be a suprise team? All depends on Henne..and Ricky Williams contines to chug along.......Will they back off the Wildcat this year?

DBOSHO
08-22-2010, 12:18 PM
props for you bringing all that up. i didnt know that.

i dont have their schedule in front of me, but i dont think they will get any division wins, and i dont think they have the talent to beat anyone other than the bottomfeeders in the nfl. their best reciever is gone, and they still have a disastrous qb situation.

i honestly cant see them improving. but thats JMO

JD10367
08-22-2010, 12:20 PM
if the patriots defense improves, they will win it all.

I like your thinking. Hard to say, though.

The O could be even better than in 2007, since there's more depth at RB and WR and they now have three TEs (whereas they usually have none of any quality). O-line's gotta keep Brady upright though.

On D, there's a lot of youth, speed, and agressiveness; as I said on PatriotsPlanet, there will be a lot of series of three great plays followed by a bad one (a lot of OMG, OMG, OMG, WTF?), so it's a question of how much the O can offset that until the D gets in a groove.

And the schedule's tough this year.

Division: 6 games against the Jets (tough), Fins (tough), Bills (pesky)

Conference: Mostly AFC North with a couple other toughies in there. Bengals, Ravens, Chargers, Steelers, Colts, Browns. Five out of the six will be challenging to win their division and probably finish with 10+ wins.

OOC: They play the NFC North. Vikings, Lions, Bears, Packers. Bears and Lions might be fairly easy but the Vikes and Pack will be tough.

I can see a scenario where the Patriots play balls-to-the-wall for 16 games, and STILL might end up losing half of them. As a Patriots fan, obviously, I hope not, but time will tell.

DBOSHO
08-22-2010, 12:24 PM
i honestly believe that brady is going to have a year like 07 where they are just nuts. he posted his 2nd best stats coming back from a shredded knee. if randy stays focused and wes is being wes, they could get the #1 seed

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-22-2010, 12:27 PM
I just read the write up that you posted Hamas, and it wasn't too bad.

Except that on the TD pass to Evans, while the design was max protect, the rush was 5 players, and two of the RBs didn't engage in blocks.

Gailey had three RBs lined up in the backfield at the snap, Edwards ran a play fake, and the corner didn't bite on Johnson's route, he bit hard on the fake.

Edwards did make the easy read, but he didn't make the read easy, and took too long to get the ball out too a wide open Evans.

The line did an outstanding job of providing protection, but Edwards needs to make that read much quicker.

Cool. Thanks.

Ugly Duck
08-22-2010, 05:03 PM
I have noticed that the refs are letting the DB's get quite physical with the receivers.

Also seems like the refs are letting O-lines hold more blatantly than would be allowed in a real game. Maybe they don't wanna slow things down by throwing a lotta flags....

JD10367
08-22-2010, 06:33 PM
Also seems like the refs are letting O-lines hold more blatantly than would be allowed in a real game. Maybe they don't wanna slow things down by throwing a lotta flags....

No, that has to do with my point about the ump. He used to be behind the D-line but I guess there were complaints about offenses using him to set a pick (not to mention he'd occasionally get creamed). So they moved him to the offensive side, back and to the left where he's safely out of the way but has a much harder time seeing a holding call. So you can be guaranteed that savvy OL and DL will be holding like a motherfucker as well as sneaking hands to the face and the occasional nutpunch. I like it. Back to football's roots. :D

milkman
09-03-2010, 09:12 AM
Sam Bradford looks like he is going to be a far better QB than I thought he could be.
Troy Smith is pathetic.

JD10367
09-03-2010, 09:17 AM
Sam Bradford looks like he is going to be a far better QB than I thought he could be.

Yeah, Pats' D has looked like shit in the past two games, but--even though it was against Raven backups--it was nice to see Bradford show that it wasn't just that the Pats' D sucked. (And considering how Baltimore is known for defense, even their backups are a good test for a rookie.)

Chiefnj2
09-03-2010, 09:27 AM
Preseason observation - other teams are getting more out of their inexperienced/below average QB's than KC is. Tebow starts off really rough, but is able to pull it together and play well. Colt McCoy, who has crapped the bed all of preseason, comes out as the starter and goes 13 for 13. Bradford is looking fantastic. Gailey has Edwards looking competent in Buffalo. Flynn was playing pitch and catch last night. Even some kid named Rudy Carpenter had a good game yesterday.

The Chiefs can't get a single really good game out of Cassel, Croyle or Palko.

I'm also not sold on KC's defense. They haven't been able to stop the run up the middle, or consistently pressure the QB. Those are the two biggest things a D has to do, and KC hasn't shown they can do either with the exception of a Kolb meltdown.

Von Dumbass
09-03-2010, 09:46 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1082448

He started under center on this play and did a playaction pass and as soon as he finished his drop he launched this bomb right on the money. That entire drive was impressive by Tebow and he without a doubt throws the most accurate deep ball of anyone in this draft class.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-03-2010, 09:47 AM
He started under center on this play and did a playaction pass and as soon as he finished his drop he launched this bomb right on the money. That entire drive was impressive by Tebow and he without a doubt throws the most accurate deep ball of anyone in this draft class.

ROFL Oh; the COMEDY of it all! Good one, son. Good one.

Von Dumbass
09-03-2010, 09:59 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1082481

Bad snap but Tebow shows his playmaking ability, armstrength, and accuracy on this play. :)

siberian khatru
09-03-2010, 10:00 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1082448

He started under center on this play and did a playaction pass and as soon as he finished his drop he launched this bomb right on the money. That entire drive was impressive by Tebow and he without a doubt throws the most accurate deep ball of anyone in this draft class.

Uh, I don't know about that. But that WAS a very nice throw.

milkman
09-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Drew Stanton is a better QB than Cassel.

milkman
09-03-2010, 08:59 PM
The more I see of Stephen McGee, the more I like him.