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KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 07:57 PM
I've been a Cassel naysayer, still am. But I always have said that I would give him credit whenever he's deserved it. He played average in the first half. That's a huge improvement for him. No super impressive passes, but he made a few good ones.

Sure-Oz
08-21-2010, 07:58 PM
He still sucks, he needs to show way more than average

Mecca
08-21-2010, 07:59 PM
A thread to give him credit for not completely shitting his pants, this is the point we're at now.

the Talking Can
08-21-2010, 08:00 PM
i understand what you're saying

but it is hilarious to have a "Yea! Cassel looked average!!1!!" thread....

Chiefs Rool
08-21-2010, 08:00 PM
A thread to give him credit for not completely shitting his pants, this is the point we're at now.

it's sad, isn't it?

rambleonthruthefog
08-21-2010, 08:00 PM
:)

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-21-2010, 08:02 PM
14-19 for 125

Fruit Ninja
08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
A thread to give him credit for not completely shitting his pants, this is the point we're at now.

i think we have been there for a while now. We had only 2 fucking wins a few years ago. Sure Detroit pulled a 0-16, but we were right on their ass, so ya, average is a huge fucking upgrade.

philfree
08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
Looked like he did what he was asked to do for the most part.


PhilFree:arrow:

crossbow
08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
I can't believe they gave 60 million dollars to a back up QB with a candy arm.

Dave Lane
08-21-2010, 08:05 PM
14-19 for 125

73% completion damn he's as bad as Jamarcus Russel.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:06 PM
i understand what you're saying

but it is hilarious to have a "Yea! Cassel looked average!!1!!" thread....

This is my point exactly. But hey, at least I'm not pacing the floor wanting to throw my laptop through the tv. I totally agree with about every post on here. I was just excited to see him look like a starting high school, maybe even college quarterback.

kstater
08-21-2010, 08:08 PM
73% completion damn he's as bad as Jamarcus Russel.

Well none of them were downfield so they don't count.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:08 PM
You know they've already given up an the quality of a quarterback when they say, "we just need him to manage the game." He's so lame and we're stuck paying this guy. Nobody's going to take him for what we've paid him.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:09 PM
what was his deepest pass, like 11 yards?

MadMax
08-21-2010, 08:11 PM
I can't believe they gave 60 million dollars to a back up QB with a candy arm.




Yep! And most here seem to be happy with that :( I think my daughter could complete 5 yard passes all day long.

MadMax
08-21-2010, 08:13 PM
Looked like he did what he was asked to do for the most part.


PhilFree:arrow:




Yes he did Phil, but for 63 mill you would think they would ask more :(

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 08:14 PM
That's a great first half. I'll take that every time. Hell, every QB in the league not named Peyton Manning would take that every time.

MadMax
08-21-2010, 08:14 PM
it's sad, isn't it?





Yes it is. We strive for mediocrity.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:15 PM
I think I'm going to ask my son to try out next year. I guarantee he's got a stronger arm than this bonehead.....and he's 17

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:15 PM
I think I'm going to ask my son to try out next year. I guarantee he's got a stronger arm than this bonehead.....and he's 17

He'll play for a cool million per year and we'll never ask for a raise.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 08:15 PM
Why is it that every team in the NFL at least tries to draft a quality quarterback but the Chiefs? And I mean try to get a good one with a first round pick instead of taking other team's turds and spary painting it gold with perfumed laquer.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:17 PM
See I started this thread to try to give a semi-positive note and now the more I've talked about him, the more angry I've got with the whole deal again.

MadMax
08-21-2010, 08:18 PM
Why is it that every team in the NFL at least tries to draft a quality quarterback but the Chiefs? And I mean try to get a good one with a first round pick instead of taking other team's turds and spary painting it gold with perfumed laquer.



I hear ya, I also just love how hard they are trying to polish this particular turd.:)

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:19 PM
Why is it that every team in the NFL at least tries to draft a quality quarterback but the Chiefs? And I mean try to get a good one with a first round pick instead of taking other team's turds and spary painting it gold with perfumed laquer.

I'm from Arkansas, so I'm biased, but I'm hoping we get a shot at Mallet in the draft. Not that we would. If we had the first pick, we'd probably draft a cornerback or safety, but hey, just a thought.

Terribilis
08-21-2010, 08:20 PM
This is my point exactly. But hey, at least I'm not pacing the floor wanting to throw my laptop through the tv. I totally agree with about every post on here. I was just excited to see him look like a starting high school, maybe even college quarterback.
are you not merciful?

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:22 PM
are you not merciful?

I guess not. I'm just still on my constant soap box about this guy being drafted into the NFL after not having started a single college game. How does that happen? Then the chiefs make him their franchise. This act alone gives me serious questions about Pioli.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 08:22 PM
I'm from Arkansas, so I'm biased, but I'm hoping we get a shot at Mallet in the draft. Not that we would. If we had the first pick, we'd probably draft a cornerback or safety, but hey, just a thought.

Or draft another 3-4 end !!! With the 3rd over all pick no less. Could have drafted a QB at that spot or am I just stupid.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2010, 08:22 PM
Dear Lord people he was 14-19!

notorious
08-21-2010, 08:24 PM
:facepalm:

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:25 PM
He was 14-19 with 5ft passes. But you're right, to his credit, he was average.

ChiefMojo
08-21-2010, 08:28 PM
Haha, Cassel was actually pretty decent and the board still blows up... wouldn't expect anything less!

Terribilis
08-21-2010, 08:28 PM
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Sure-Oz
08-21-2010, 08:29 PM
Decent isn't good enough against fucking TB

MIAdragon
08-21-2010, 08:30 PM
1-10-KC 20(15:00) M.Cassel pass short left to C.Chambers to KC 33 for 13 yards (B.Ruud, T.Jackson).
1-10-KC 33(14:27) M.Cassel pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe.

1-10-TB 47(10:50) M.Cassel pass short middle to M.Cox to TB 38 for 9 yards (S.Jones).
1-10-TB 36(9:30) M.Cassel pass short right to D.Bowe to TB 24 for 12 yards (S.Jones).
2-6-TB 20(8:17) M.Cassel pass short left to J.Charles to TB 12 for 8 yards (E.Biggers).
3-4-TB 6(6:47) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to J.Horne for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(2:07) M.Cassel pass incomplete short left to C.Chambers. PENALTY on TB-E.Biggers, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at KC 31 - No Play.
2-7-KC 39(1:22) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle to L.Pope to KC 45 for 6 yards (T.Jackson).

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2-2-KC 33(8:43) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass incomplete deep right to D.Bowe (E.Mack).

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1-10-KC 25(3:30) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short right to D.McCluster to KC 42 for 17 yards (C.Grimm).
1-10-KC 42(2:46) M.Cassel pass short right to D.Bowe ran ob at TB 45 for 13 yards.
1-10-TB 45(2:19) M.Cassel pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe.
3-10-TB 45(2:00) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short right to J.Charles to TB 29 for 16 yards (Q.Black, S.Piscitelli).
1-10-TB 29(1:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short right to J.Charles to TB 30 for -1 yards (T.Crowder).
2-11-TB 30(1:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short right to L.Pope to TB 21 for 9 yards (Q.Black).
3-2-TB 21(1:00) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to T.Jones to TB 19 for 2 yards (S.White).
1-10-TB 19(:55) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle to C.Chambers to TB 12 for 7 yards (E.Mack).

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rambleonthruthefog
08-21-2010, 08:30 PM
B-A-N-A-N-A-S

Captain Obvious
08-21-2010, 08:30 PM
This is a terrible thread.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2010, 08:30 PM
He was 14-19 with 5ft passes. But you're right, to his credit, he was average.

Yeah he should've been 40-40 for 8,000 yards and 145 million TD passes.

ChiefMojo
08-21-2010, 08:32 PM
Notice how many pass plays were 10+ yard gains... pure suckage!!!

Mecca
08-21-2010, 08:34 PM
Yeah he should've been 40-40 for 8,000 yards and 145 million TD passes.

You're reading comprehension really blows.

Dave Lane
08-21-2010, 08:34 PM
Yeah he should've been 40-40 for 8,000 yards and 145 million TD passes.

But none of the passes were long so he sucked just like always.

MIAdragon
08-21-2010, 08:35 PM
Notice how many pass plays were 10+ yard gains... pure suckage!!!

yea once the D adjusts after the first few dinks then whats noodle deuce gonna do?

Mecca
08-21-2010, 08:37 PM
yea once the D adjusts after the first few dinks then whats noodle deuce gonna do?

Throw a pick 6?

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2010, 08:37 PM
You're reading comprehension really blows.

You're a douche.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:37 PM
Yeah he should've been 40-40 for 8,000 yards and 145 million TD passes.

Hey, I'm trying to give him some credit here. Maybe it's a little back-handed, but I had good intentions.

notorious
08-21-2010, 08:38 PM
yea once the D adjusts after the first few dinks then whats noodle deuce gonna do?

He is going to throw downfield for the 6 yard completion.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:41 PM
I think he will play good enough for us to win 4 or 5 games. That should be just enough to push us out of the running for the best quarterbacks in the draft.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 08:41 PM
I wouldn't be so down on him except for the fact that he doesn't have a 60 million dollar arm. Sorry, but there are guys in high school that have more power in their throws than this guy. His footwork isn't all that great, he isn't that elusive, he doesn't realy do any one thing better then anyone so why is this guy our franchize QB?

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 08:42 PM
Actually, I should say that I think that the running backs and defense will play good enough for us to win some games and Matt will just "manage the game" okay

redhed
08-21-2010, 08:44 PM
:bravo:

crossbow
08-21-2010, 09:01 PM
How lucky can you get? Denver's coach had a huge boner for him but our GM was able to use his influence and bring the prized player into the Arrowhead fold where he belongs. Denver, you sorry bastards lost out - oh well better luck next time.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 09:21 PM
3-4-TB 6(6:47) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to J.Horne for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


I particularly hated this one. He had a guy open deep.

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 09:23 PM
I particularly hated this one. He had a guy open deep.

Hey that was a good play...again, see the title "credit where credit's due"

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 09:24 PM
16 of 27 passes for 145 yards with a touchdown.

Anyone want to guess what that line is?

KCBOSS1
08-21-2010, 09:36 PM
Okay, what line? Joe Namath?

TheGuardian
08-21-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm no Cassel fan at all but he played fine when he was in there from what I saw. The one thing that has most def improved is the offenses ability to run a screen. We were the worst team in the league last year at trying to run a decent screen play. Now it's pretty good.

milkman
08-21-2010, 09:39 PM
16 of 27 passes for 145 yards with a touchdown.

Anyone want to guess what that line is?

Carson Palmer against the Eagles?

notorious
08-21-2010, 09:39 PM
Well, he played good enough to be an average NFL QB for a half of football.



It's a start!

RustShack
08-21-2010, 09:41 PM
We CAN GROW ON THIS!

JASONSAUTO
08-21-2010, 09:45 PM
Carson Palmer against the Eagles?

didnt palmer throw 2 ints against the eagles?
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RustShack
08-21-2010, 09:46 PM
didnt palmer throw 2 ints against the eagles?
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Cassel didn't :)

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 09:47 PM
11 of 26 for 206 yds and an interception.

Donovan McNabb.

milkman
08-21-2010, 09:49 PM
didnt palmer throw 2 ints against the eagles?
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Yes he did.

I've been looking up some stats since I answered that and Palmer 15/23 for 169 yards and 2 ints.

But I gave a pretty good guess.

Count Alex's Losses
08-21-2010, 09:51 PM
The fact that we are even making this thread sums up how far expectations have fallen.

Such a performance should be expected in the preseason from a $60m QB.

boogblaster
08-21-2010, 09:56 PM
He didn't look bad tonite ...

crossbow
08-21-2010, 09:58 PM
didnt palmer throw 2 ints against the eagles?
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I am gonna go out on a limb and say that the Eagles may have a better defense then the Bucs this year.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 09:58 PM
16 of 27 passes for 145 yards with a touchdown.

Anyone want to guess what that line is?

Tom Brady, Super Bowl XXXVI MVP.

DaneMcCloud
08-21-2010, 09:59 PM
He didn't look bad tonite ...

Yeah, he can stink and stunk with the best of them

RustShack
08-21-2010, 09:59 PM
I am gonna go out on a limb and say that the Eagles may have a better defense then the Bucs this year.

Ah snap for some reason I was thinking we played them already. But that was the Falcons... and the Eagles are NEXT.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 10:01 PM
All I am saying is, unless there is another compelling player like Tyson Jackson that you just have to take in the first round...can't they just draft a QB in round one once? Just once in 25 years.

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 10:02 PM
You guys are hilarious.

Yes, it's well-known that Cassel's arm strength is sub-par. But his arm is also probably pretty God damned tired from throwing countless balls all day in training camp, as most QB's are. It's because of this reason that you don't see starting quarterbacks airing out the ball very much in preseason. There's no point in risking an injury on an already tired arm when it really doesn't matter.

JFC, he showed some good decision making and some accurate passing. Isn't that all you ask for in preseason?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:02 PM
All I am saying is, unless there is another compelling player like Tyson Jackson that you just have to take in the first round...can't they just draft a QB in round one once? Just once in 25 years.

Oh God, please don't bring that up, I don't know if I have the energy to fight off the Truefans tonight......

Count Alex's Losses
08-21-2010, 10:09 PM
It's because of this reason that you don't see starting quarterbacks airing out the ball very much in preseason. There's no point in risking an injury on an already tired arm when it really doesn't matter.

UTTER BULLSHIT conjured out of thin air to defend Cassel.

Mecca
08-21-2010, 10:13 PM
You guys are hilarious.

Yes, it's well-known that Cassel's arm strength is sub-par. But his arm is also probably pretty God damned tired from throwing countless balls all day in training camp, as most QB's are. It's because of this reason that you don't see starting quarterbacks airing out the ball very much in preseason. There's no point in risking an injury on an already tired arm when it really doesn't matter.

JFC, he showed some good decision making and some accurate passing. Isn't that all you ask for in preseason?

Aaron Rodgers rubber armed that thing to Greg Jennings tonight, damn tired camp arm!

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 10:13 PM
UTTER BULLSHIT conjured out of thin air to defend Cassel.

Really? Trent Green mentioned it in a radio interview yesterday. That's why they bring in scrub quarterbacks in camp. So the starters don't have to put any more wear on their arms than they need to. They take enough reps as it is.

How many times did Freeman air it out?

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 10:13 PM
Did people watch us hire Charlie Weis and think, "we're gonna throw the longball"?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:14 PM
Did people watch us hire Charlie Weis and think, "we're gonna throw the longball"?

No, but most of us are delusional, so there is that.

Mecca
08-21-2010, 10:14 PM
I would expect passes that travel longer than 5 yards in the air...the intermediate passing game is extremely important.

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 10:15 PM
He had a good line tonight. Can the naysayers not admit that?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:15 PM
Did people watch us hire Charlie Weis and think, "we're gonna throw the longball"?

No, but most of us are delusional, so there is that.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:15 PM
You guys are hilarious.

Yes, it's well-known that Cassel's arm strength is sub-par. But his arm is also probably pretty God damned tired from throwing countless balls all day in training camp, as most QB's are. It's because of this reason that you don't see starting quarterbacks airing out the ball very much in preseason. There's no point in risking an injury on an already tired arm when it really doesn't matter.

JFC, he showed some good decision making and some accurate passing. Isn't that all you ask for in preseason?

Sorry, but there are more people on this board that wish for Cassels demise so that they can appear to be right than others who just want the team to succeed. This is the Chiefs hatingest site on the net. What sucks is that a vocal minority ruins it for football fans. They literally want the team to fail.

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 10:16 PM
No, but most of us are delusional, so there is that.

Very true.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:17 PM
He had a good line tonight. Can the naysayers not admit that?

No, they can't. He had a 108 QB rating tonight, he sucks.

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Sorry, but there are more people on this board that wish for Cassels demise so that they can appear to be right than others who just want the team to succeed. This is the Chiefs hatingest site on the net. What sucks is that a vocal minority ruins it for football fans. They literally want the team to fail.

Wrong.


I want to be wrong. I want Cassel to succeed so we can watch our beloved Chiefs go out and kick ass.


Most of us that "ruins it for football fans" are calling it how it is instead of blindly following.


If we are ruining football for you, why don't you just ignore us or go to another site?

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:19 PM
Sorry, but there are more people on this board that wish for Cassels demise so that they can appear to be right than others who just want the team to succeed. This is the Chiefs hatingest site on the net. What sucks is that a vocal minority ruins it for football fans. They literally want the team to fail.

You are a bigger fucking moron than I already gave you credit for if you actually believe that bulshit.

MoreLemonPledge
08-21-2010, 10:20 PM
Wrong.


I want to be wrong. I want Cassel to succeed so we can watch our beloved Chiefs go out and kick ass.


Most of us that "ruins it for football fans" are calling it how it is instead of blindly following.


If we are ruining football for you, why don't you just ignore us or go to another site?

So when he goes out and has a pretty damn good night, by any QB's standard, and people bitch about him not throwing the ball deep enough (because God knows that's the most important thing on a football team), that's called support?

No, people want him to fail so they can be right. The vocal minority can't even admit that he had a good game.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:21 PM
You are a bigger ****ing moron than I already gave you credit for if you actually believe that bulshit.

You're a 70 year old midget that thinks he's an OL guru.

Tell me who's a fucking moron?

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:21 PM
No, they can't. He had a 108 QB rating tonight, he sucks.

He damn well better have a solid QB rating if he's only making throws of ten yards or less.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:22 PM
Wrong.


I want to be wrong. I want Cassel to succeed so we can watch our beloved Chiefs go out and kick ass.


Most of us that "ruins it for football fans" are calling it how it is instead of blindly following.


If we are ruining football for you, why don't you just ignore us or go to another site?

All you've done all night long is show your utter stupidity. Keep up the good work.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:22 PM
Good lord Cassel played good tonight everyone STFU

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:23 PM
All you've done all night long is show your utter stupidity. Keep up the good work.

Uh oh Buster is gonna air punch someone.

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:23 PM
Some of the vocal minority can't even admit that he had a good game.

FYP


You know when the vocal minority will be silenced? When Cassel begins to play like a true franchise QB. Until then there will be hellfire, and it will be deserved.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 10:23 PM
Did Moeake play tonight or is he still in the Lees Summit emergency room getting his arms and legs screwed back on?

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:24 PM
He damn well better have a solid QB rating if he's only making throws of ten yards or less.

Hey gramps. I know this is a confusing concept for an old shitbag like you, but do you think Cassel was out there calling his own plays tonight?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:24 PM
All you've done all night long is show your utter stupidity. Keep up the good work.

Retort my opinions with insults.

Keep up the good work.

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:24 PM
You're a 70 year old midget that thinks he's an OL guru.

Tell me who's a ****ing moron?

I have never once claimed to be an OL guru.

I am a life long Chiefs fan that has watched this team fail to advance to the SB for over 40 years.

I want to see another fucking SB before I die.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:25 PM
Good lord Cassel played good tonight everyone STFU

Even billay the midly retarded kid could see as much.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 10:25 PM
FYP


You know when the vocal minority will be silenced? When Cassel begins to play like a true franchise QB. Until then there will be hellfire, and it will be deserved.

If that wasn't a franchise type QB game, then I don't know what is. Those numbers project to 32 TDs, 0 INTs, 4,000 yards passing, and a rating of 108. I guess I would take that.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:26 PM
Even billay the midly retarded kid could see as much.

Even Buster can see it through all his rage and anger for the world.

DeezNutz
08-21-2010, 10:26 PM
Hey gramps. I know this is a confusing concept for an old shitbag like you, but do you think Cassel was out there calling his own plays tonight?

Are plays called to put players in positions to fail?

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:26 PM
I have never once claimed to be an OL guru.

I am a life long Chiefs fan that has watched this team fail to advance to the SB for over 40 years.

I want to see another ****ing SB before I die.

Dude, you're on here CONSTANTLY harping on your OL evaluation prowess.

Don't be a fucking lying sack of shit like dane.

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:26 PM
Hey gramps. I know this is a confusing concept for an old shitbag like you, but do you think Cassel was out there calling his own plays tonight?

Hey, dumbass, did I say he called his own plays?

Did he or did he not throw short passes?

Do you think that with those short passes, regardless of who the **** is calling the plays that we should expect anything less than a good QB rating?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:27 PM
If that wasn't a franchise type QB game, then I don't know what is. Those numbers project to 32 TDs, 0 INTs, 4,000 yards passing, and a rating of 108. I guess I would take that.

I would to, but the rest of my post said "Consistantly".

I didn't take shots a Cassel tonight, he played up to an average NFL QB's level.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:28 PM
Hey, dumbass, did I say he called his own plays?

Did he or did he not throw short passes?

Do you think that with those short passes, regardless of who the **** is calling the plays that we should expect anything less than a good QB rating?

He was averaging 12 yards a throw for awhile jesus fucking christ man.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:28 PM
Are plays called to put players in positions to fail?

You're one of the people that was bitching about our drafting players to help Cassel succeed.

Do you not see how insanely stupid that is?

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:28 PM
FYP


You know when the vocal minority will be silenced? When Cassel begins to play like a true franchise QB. Until then there will be hellfire, and it will be deserved.



If that wasn't a franchise type QB game, then I don't know what is. Those numbers project to 32 TDs, 0 INTs, 4,000 yards passing, and a rating of 108. I guess I would take that.

I would to, but the rest of my post said "Consistantly".

I didn't take shots a Cassel tonight, he played up to an average NFL QB's level.

Oops, I am a dumbass. I didn't type "Consistantly".

Sorry Saul, you are correct on your post.

FAX
08-21-2010, 10:29 PM
It's true that there's a lot of Cassel "hate" among this community of weary, bitter, broken-hearted bastards.

I think the problem is that many of us would like to see the Chiefs acquire and develop their own franchise quarterback ... one with Super Bowl potential. When you think about it objectively (and based on the totality of his performance to date), Cassel is merely another in a long line of Chiefs quarterbacks who appear to lack that ability.

That's why, regardless of how he performs, he brings back memories of guys like Grbac and Blackledge and Kenney and Downfield Damon Huard. That, I think, is what drives people over the edge.

FAX

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:29 PM
Dude, you're on here CONSTANTLY harping on your OL evaluation prowess.

Don't be a ****ing lying sack of shit like dane.

No dumbass.

The only thing I've ever said is that I called it when I said long before the draft that Albert would be drafted to play LT.

Beyond that, I have never bragged about any OL eval prowess.

DeezNutz
08-21-2010, 10:29 PM
If that wasn't a franchise type QB game, then I don't know what is. Those numbers project to 32 TDs, 0 INTs, 4,000 yards passing, and a rating of 108. I guess I would take that.

What? Wow.

Look, he did a nice job doing what was asked of him, which was very little. What was his longest pass play, not counting YAC?

This was Cassel at his absolute best, though. No question.

notorious
08-21-2010, 10:30 PM
It's true that there's a lot of Cassel "hate" among this community of weary, bitter, broken-hearted bastards.

I think the problem is that many of us would like to see the Chiefs acquire and develop their own franchise quarterback ... one with Super Bowl potential. When you think about it objectively (and based on the totality of his performance to date), Cassel is merely another in a long line of Chiefs quarterbacks who appear to lack that ability.

That's why, regardless of how he performs, he brings back memories of guys like Grbac and Blackledge and Kenney and Downfield Damon Huard. That, I think, is what drives people over the edge.

FAX



Homerun. Nice Post.

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:31 PM
He was averaging 12 yards a throw for awhile jesus ****ing christ man.

How many of those passes traveled beyond ten yards in the air?

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:31 PM
Hey, dumbass, did I say he called his own plays?

Did he or did he not throw short passes?

Do you think that with those short passes, regardless of who the **** is calling the plays that we should expect anything less than a good QB rating?

I think it's pretty clear that you and yours will NEVER give credit where credit is due. You and the like have unrealistic expectations that you'll continue to enjoy going off about. If I hated a game as much as you, I'd find something better to do with my time. These aren't robots out there.

DeezNutz
08-21-2010, 10:31 PM
You're one of the people that was bitching about our drafting players to help Cassel succeed.

Do you not see how insanely stupid that is?

Making major organizational decisions around modestly talented players, and I'm being generous with "modestly," is the very definition of insanely stupid.

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:34 PM
I think it's pretty clear that you and yours will NEVER give credit where credit is due. You and the like have unrealistic expectations that you'll continue to enjoy going off about. If I hated a game as much as you, I'd find something better to do with my time. These aren't robots out there.

Yeah, cause I'm not the guy that started a thread after the Pittsburgh game last year praising Cassel for his performance.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:35 PM
How many of those passes traveled beyond ten yards in the air?

Well Bowe had 3 catches for 33 yards.

I believe Chambers had a catch for 11.


The TD pass to Horne.



So by your guys standards Brady sucks because he throws short passes to Edelman and Welker.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:36 PM
Making major organizational decisions around modestly talented players, and I'm being generous with "modestly," is the very definition of insanely stupid.

I guess theres no showing you the light then, because your position on this is beyond stupid.

And it's unquestioned that you want Cassel, and in effect the Chiefs, to fail so you can feel better about yourself.

Thats just pathetic.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
How many of those passes traveled beyond ten yards in the air?

Is there some new scoring system that I haven't heard about that gives you extra points for throwing the ball farther? If not, who f***ing cares? The guy had a great game.

If you guys didn't have anything to bitch about, you'd bitch about not having anything to bitch about.

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:38 PM
Yeah, cause I'm not the guy that started a thread after the Pittsburgh game last year praising Cassel for his performance.

COOKIE TIME!

See ya next year for your annual positive post.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 10:39 PM
Ok, I didn't think Trent Green had a cannon for an arm either. It was good enough but his accuracy was outstanding. He could make all of the throws and he had the Berlin Wall for an offensive line. And yes Mat looked much better tonight then all of last year. He did make some nice tosses over tall rushers on screen plays. He can hit the 5 yard slant under pressure. He knows when to throw it away to avoid a sack. Fine, how is he better then any other back up QB in the NFL?

FAX
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
The concern with relying solely on the short passing game is that, if that's all you do, it can be fairly easily defensed. Plus (and this is critical) it also means that the run game can be shut down because so many defenders are so near the LOS.

In the modern NFL, you have to be able to stretch the field. The rules give you that offensive advantage and, if you don't, you're effectively handing that advantage right to the enemy defense.

FAX

Param
08-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Matt had a good game tonight.

Seems though there will always be haters on this board.

DeezNutz
08-21-2010, 10:41 PM
The concern with relying solely on the short passing game is that, if that's all you do, it can be fairly easily defensed. Plus (and this is critical) it also means that the run game can be shut down because so many defenders are so near the LOS.

In the modern NFL, you have to be able to stretch the field. The rules give you that offensive advantage and, if you don't, you're effectively handing that advantage right to the enemy defense.

FAX

Why do you hate the Chiefs?

Tiger's Fan
08-21-2010, 10:41 PM
Ok, I didn't think Trent Green had a cannon for an arm either. It was good enough but his accuracy was outstanding. He could make all of the throws and he had the Berlin Wall for an offensive line. And yes Mat looked much better tonight then all of last year. He did make some nice tosses over tall rushers on screen plays. He can hit the 5 yard slant under pressure. He knows when to throw it away to avoid a sack. Fine, how is he better then any other back up QB in the NFL?

Just so you know what company you're keeping, the majority of Cassel bashers on here thought Green sucked ass as well.

milkman
08-21-2010, 10:41 PM
Well Bowe had 3 catches for 33 yards.

I believe Chambers had a catch for 11.


The TD pass to Horne.



So by your guys standards Brady sucks because he throws short passes to Edelman and Welker.

On at least one of Bowe's catches, based on the commentary, he did a nice job of getting the extra yards to treach the first down marker.

Horne's TD was for 6 yards.

So, based on that info, it appears that his longest pas play was for 11 yards.

At best, he threw one ball beyond ten yards in the air, an 11 yard pass.

Chocolate Hog
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
On at least one of Bowe's catches, based on the commentary, he did a nice job of getting the extra yards to treach the first down marker.

Horne's TD was for 6 yards.

So, based on that info, it appears that his longest pas play was for 11 yards.

At best, he threw one ball beyond ten yards in the air, an 11 yard pass.

Better not draft him in fantasy football then.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 10:43 PM
What? Wow.

Look, he did a nice job doing what was asked of him, which was very little. What was his longest pass play, not counting YAC?

This was Cassel at his absolute best, though. No question.

Tom Brady won a Superbowl while throwing for 1 postseason TD pass. He was the Superbowl MVP throwing for 145 yards.

Cassel was fantastic tonight. He made his reads on time. His throws were on the money, and he made good decisions. Two of his five incompletions were a throw-away when the play was blown up and a spike to stop the clock. He completed 80% of his other passes, threw a TD, and didn't throw any INTs.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 10:47 PM
It's true that there's a lot of Cassel "hate" among this community of weary, bitter, broken-hearted bastards.

I think the problem is that many of us would like to see the Chiefs acquire and develop their own franchise quarterback ... one with Super Bowl potential. When you think about it objectively (and based on the totality of his performance to date), Cassel is merely another in a long line of Chiefs quarterbacks who appear to lack that ability.

That's why, regardless of how he performs, he brings back memories of guys like Grbac and Blackledge and Kenney and Downfield Damon Huard. That, I think, is what drives people over the edge.

FAX

Thank You,

This is the whole point. Yet another stopgap guy to be patient with while all of the other teams in the division at least try to bring in someone to get excited about. Even Clark Hunt said he wanted to draft a franchise QB and groom him. I am tired of going through other teams garbage cans and hoping to find a diamond that they accidentaly tossed out with the trash. Meanwhile the years keep rolling by.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 10:54 PM
[QUOTE=Saul Good;6947735]Tom Brady won a Superbowl while throwing for 1 postseason TD pass. He was the Superbowl MVP throwing for 145 yards.


Didn't the Pats draft Tom Brady? Soooooo they didn't get him from another team.....sooooooo this is the point.

notorious
08-21-2010, 11:03 PM
[QUOTE=Saul Good;6947735]Tom Brady won a Superbowl while throwing for 1 postseason TD pass. He was the Superbowl MVP throwing for 145 yards.


Didn't the Pats draft Tom Brady? Soooooo they didn't get him from another team.....sooooooo this is the point.



Brady was money in the SB when it counted the most. I don't give a shit about stats, when it comes down to it what does a QB do in crunch time?


Elway's stats were pretty shitty in some games but the man was almost always nails when it counted the most.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 11:04 PM
[QUOTE=Saul Good;6947735]Tom Brady won a Superbowl while throwing for 1 postseason TD pass. He was the Superbowl MVP throwing for 145 yards.


Didn't the Pats draft Tom Brady? Soooooo they didn't get him from another team.....sooooooo this is the point.

The POINT is that Brady threw for 1 TD the entire postseason, and they won the Superbowl. The POINT is that Brady threw for 145 yards in the Superbowl and was the MVP of the game. The POINT is that Cassel did this in one half of play, and people are still bitching about his play.

InChiefsHell
08-21-2010, 11:04 PM
The last QB we had who could have led us to the SB was Trent. No way Cassel is Trent. At best, he's a younger Huard. Game manager. Probably never going to take us to the SB. But...he's all we got right now, so I'm happy with his performance tonight.

Saul Good
08-21-2010, 11:05 PM
Elway's stats were pretty shitty in some games but the man was almost always nails when it counted the most.

Like his 72.7 career passer rating in Super Bowls?

notorious
08-21-2010, 11:08 PM
Like his 72.7 career passer rating in Super Bowls?


Yep.

Those first 3 were pretty ugly, but he was trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit with his team.

I get your point, but lets not forget all of the games that he carried his team to victory in route to getting destroyed in those SB's.

pr_capone
08-21-2010, 11:18 PM
Is there some new scoring system that I haven't heard about that gives you extra points for throwing the ball farther? If not, who f***ing cares? The guy had a great game.

:clap:

Nirvana58
08-21-2010, 11:19 PM
Watching Cassel out there was like night and day compared to the atlanta game. The TD pass to horne in between 3 tampa bay defenders was a beauty. Plus the nice little lob to Thomas Jones on 3 and 1 to move the chains showed some touch on the ball I havent seen in a Chiefs quarterback since Trent Green. I don't care how a quarterback moves the ball down the field as long as they put 7 points on the board. Some people need to relax and be thankful our 63 million dollar quarterback had a good game.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 11:21 PM
[QUOTE=crossbow;6947777]

The POINT is that Brady threw for 1 TD the entire postseason, and they won the Superbowl. The POINT is that Brady threw for 145 yards in the Superbowl and was the MVP of the game. The POINT is that Cassel did this in one half of play, and people are still bitching about his play.

I am not bitching about his play I just think he has a noodle for an arm. I am sick of the parade of half-baked backups that are getting pushed on us fans as starters. Except for Montana, all of the guys that get brought in here are a joke. Trent Green was a starting QB for the Rams so he doesn't realy fit in the catagory of a backup. Those guys weren't starters for good reasons. And I know that you are smart enough to realialize that this defense isn't winning any Superbowls.

Look, the team is in rebuilding mode. So go get a young guy that has the tools and let him grow with the team. This is another opportunity squadered on a backup QB whose biggest asset is that the GM likes him. Big fing deal, mr Paoli. Stick your backup QB up your nose cuz I aint drinking the cool-aid.

Reaper16
08-21-2010, 11:24 PM
The POINT is that Brady threw for 1 TD the entire postseason, and they won the Superbowl. The POINT is that Brady threw for 145 yards in the Superbowl and was the MVP of the game. The POINT is that Cassel did this in one half of play, and people are still bitching about his play.
THE POINT is that your point happened all the way back in 2002 and the NFL is a vastly different game now.

Short Leash Hootie
08-21-2010, 11:27 PM
you guys are a fucking joke/unreadable...

you can basically count me out of Chiefs talk on this site during the year...

this website has turned into a trainwreck

notorious
08-21-2010, 11:29 PM
this website has turned into a trainwreck


Just now?


It has always been a trainwreck.

crossbow
08-21-2010, 11:39 PM
This is my last post for the evening:

I am not going to get excited about another teams backup QB that was brought in. Paoli is supposed to be the great talent evaluator so go find and draft a guy that has skills needed to lead a Pro offense. Get me an Elway. Hell, get me a Ryan Leaf - at least you tried and failed. That is better then copping out.

Reaper16
08-21-2010, 11:41 PM
you guys are a fucking joke/unreadable...

you can basically count me out of Chiefs talk on this site during the year...

this website has turned into a trainwreck
Success!

notorious
08-21-2010, 11:41 PM
I am not going to get excited about another teams backup QB that was brought in. Paoli is supposed to be the great talent evaluator so go find and draft a guy that has skills needed to lead a Pro offense. Get me an Elway. Hell, get me a Ryan Leaf - at least you tried and failed. That is better then copping out.

You have summed up my thoughts as well.


That's a good one to leave on.

notorious
08-21-2010, 11:42 PM
Success!

LMAO

tk13
08-21-2010, 11:44 PM
I think tonight was progress. It's probably what we're going to see a lot of... the short passing game. I think we're going to spread it out and try to win a lot of one on one matchups. But Cassel was more accurate this week, and he was calling audibles and controlling the game at the line of scrimmage better... so that's good. Charlie Weis is a smart guy. I actually feel halfway confident he's going to put the offense in a position to play to their strengths.

keg in kc
08-21-2010, 11:47 PM
Of course.

KC Tattoo
08-22-2010, 12:02 AM
Why is it that every team in the NFL at least tries to draft a quality quarterback but the Chiefs? And I mean try to get a good one with a first round pick instead of taking other team's turds and spary painting it gold with perfumed laquer.

Todd Blackledge & Ryan Leaf. We are cursed my friend becouse of these two players. It's the way True Chiefs fans want it, well they get it & I don't like it any more than you.

Saul Good
08-22-2010, 12:58 AM
THE POINT is that your point happened all the way back in 2002 and the NFL is a vastly different game now.

Yeah, it's way different. Back then, you had guys like Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Donovan McNabb in the Pro Bowl. I watched a lot of games last year, and I didn't hear anything about any of those guys.

It used to be that a QB didn't have to carry a team on his back to win a Super Bowl. That's just not the case in the 8 Superbowls since then. I mean, other than these 5 seasons from Super Bowl winning QBs, that is.

3300 yards, 23 TDs, 20 INTs
3300 yards, 17 TDs, 15 INTs
2400 yards, 17 TDs, 9 INTs
3600 yards, 23 TDs, 12 INTs
3000 yards, 22 TDs, 6 INTs

Since that Superbowl, there have been 2 monster seasons from Super Bowl winning QBs (Peyton Manning and Drew Brees), 1 very good but not incredible season (Tom Brady), and 5 "game manager" type seasons.

In those 5 seasons, the starting QBs average game passing was 195 yards, 1 1/4 TDs, and and 2/3 INTs.

Epic Fail 007
08-22-2010, 01:07 AM
well fact is besides brady and manning thats all thats in the nfl,average qbs every team deals with it

Saul Good
08-22-2010, 01:13 AM
well fact is besides brady and manning thats all thats in the nfl,average qbs every team deals with it

Are you talking about 2002 or now? I only ask because Reaper assures me that the game is vastly different now than it was then.

Priest31kc
08-22-2010, 01:43 AM
Chase Daniel>Matt Cassel. Check out some of the throws Chase made tonight who by the way finished 19/23, 187 yds, 3 TD & 1 INT.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082156/2010/PRE2/texans@saints#tab:watch

And just playin about Daniel>Cassel, although Daniel made some throws tonight that I dont know if Cassel can make. Watching the replay on NFL Network now.

BossChief
08-22-2010, 01:58 AM
Hey gramps. I know this is a confusing concept for an old shitbag like you, but do you think Cassel was out there calling his own plays tonight?

I couldnt watch the game tonight and have to wait till monday to offer my take on how he played, I am actually anxious to see the game as it seems there are some positives to take from it.

But, Mr. Hymen, I do have something to offer you in regards to your claim that may shed a little light on why we call so many passes within 5 yards of the los.

This is from Charlie Weis on the 9th of August talking about Cassel:

"I watched every snap he played last year with the Chiefs and then I went back the year before and watched every snap from when Tommy (Brady) went down and every snap he played with New England. I wanted to know where we were with this kid and once you figure that out, I think as an offensive coach in this league, you canít try to do things that your players are not capable of doing."

Charlie saying that in an interview and then completely disregarding the possibility of calling a deep pass in either game is very telling IMO.

Cant wait to see the game.

threebag02
08-22-2010, 02:08 AM
what was his deepest pass, like 11 yards?

Matt Cassel

"Home of the 11 yard BOMB"

Param
08-22-2010, 03:55 AM
since this is Matt's 1st year in the system, he'll get more years.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-22-2010, 04:34 AM
PIOLI!

Guru
08-22-2010, 04:36 AM
Dump pass Matt.

chiefzilla1501
08-22-2010, 04:46 AM
I couldnt watch the game tonight and have to wait till monday to offer my take on how he played, I am actually anxious to see the game as it seems there are some positives to take from it.

But, Mr. Hymen, I do have something to offer you in regards to your claim that may shed a little light on why we call so many passes within 5 yards of the los.

This is from Charlie Weis on the 9th of August talking about Cassel:

"I watched every snap he played last year with the Chiefs and then I went back the year before and watched every snap from when Tommy (Brady) went down and every snap he played with New England. I wanted to know where we were with this kid and once you figure that out, I think as an offensive coach in this league, you canít try to do things that your players are not capable of doing."

Charlie saying that in an interview and then completely disregarding the possibility of calling a deep pass in either game is very telling IMO.

Cant wait to see the game.

It's not telling at all. We keep forgetting that this is the preseason. I've barely seen McCluster in the slot. Charles has had limited first team carries. I haven't seen any gadget plays, any Wildcats, anything past vanilla. Maybe that's the way it will be in the regular season, but it's really premature to say that this is the way Weis wants to run his offense.

It seems like the defense is dialing up some blitzes, but in terms of offense, they've been extremely vanilla.

Marcellus
08-22-2010, 06:54 AM
I couldn't come close to making it through this pathetic ass excuse for a thread.

Cassel looks good and people bitch. He was making quick decisions and throwing the ball well. A "short" 17 yard pass? WTF do you have to do?
I am at the point I hope Cassel kicks ass just to shut some of you dumbasses up.

milkman
08-22-2010, 07:13 AM
I couldn't come close to making it through this pathetic ass excuse for a thread.

Cassel looks good and people bitch. He was making quick decisions and throwing the ball well. A "short" 17 yard pass? WTF do you have to do?
I am at the point I hope Cassel kicks ass just to shit som of you dumbasses up.

I didn't see the game, but I've read that his longest completion was 11 yards.

I don't think anyone is actually saying that he played poorly.
The concern is that if we can't stretch the field, the short passing game will not work against good defenses because they will just play everything tight.

notorious
08-22-2010, 07:14 AM
I am at the point I hope Cassel kicks ass just to shit som of you dumbasses up.


That's all he has to do.

If he plays like a true franchise QB on a consistant basis, he has nothing to worry about. If he continues to display a weak arm and the refusal to look downfield, he is going to get hammered on and it will be well deserved.

I'm sorry, but it is going to take more then a half of completing short and intermediate passes in preseason against a HORRIFIC defense to change my mind after watching last year and his year at NE.

Was I satisfied with his game - yes.

Was I convinced that he is going to be a franchise QB - no.

milkman
08-22-2010, 07:17 AM
That's all he has to do.

If he plays like a true franchise QB on a consistant basis, he has nothing to worry about. If he continues to display a weak arm and the refusal to look downfield, he is going to get hammered on and it will be well deserved.

I'm sorry, but it is going to take more then a half of completing short and intermediate passes in preseason against a HORRIFIC defense to change my mind after watching last year and his year at NE.

Was I satisfied with his game - yes.

Was I convinced that he is going to be a franchise QB - no.

If my info is correct, that he didn't complete a pass longer than 11 yards, then he didn't hit any intermediate passes.

notorious
08-22-2010, 07:22 AM
If my info is correct, that he didn't complete a pass longer than 11 yards, then he didn't hit any intermediate passes.

I was trying to throw the Cassel Fan Club a bone.



In this offense the distance definitions change.


Short = at the line of scrimmage

Intermediate = swing pass or 3 yard out

Deep = swing or 3 yard out and the receiver runs for another 5-10 yards

MoreLemonPledge
08-22-2010, 08:22 AM
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx329/tmac3451/Weis_Haters_Gonna_Hate.gif

unlurking
08-22-2010, 08:38 AM
I didn't see the game, but I've read that his longest completion was 11 yards.

I don't think anyone is actually saying that he played poorly.
The concern is that if we can't stretch the field, the short passing game will not work against good defenses because they will just play everything tight.

You commented earlier that stats don't mean anything to you, but you're speaking rather passionately about how poorly our QB did this game. I agree with you on your basic points (the need to be able stretch the field). At the same time though, was the need to go deep present? I don't know, as I haven't seen the game yet either. I think I'll wait to comment on his performance until I've actually seen it.

milkman
08-22-2010, 08:42 AM
You commented earlier that stats don't mean anything to you, but you're speaking rather passionately about how poorly our QB did this game. I agree with you on your basic points (the need to be able stretch the field). At the same time though, was the need to go deep present? I don't know, as I haven't seen the game yet either. I think I'll wait to comment on his performance until I've actually seen it.

I haven't been discussing passionately how poorly Cassel played.

I haven't commented on his play at all.

I've only discussed passionately how important it is that Cassel needs to make throws beyond 10 yards.

Short Leash Hootie
08-22-2010, 08:56 AM
I haven't been discussing passionately how poorly Cassel played.

I haven't commented on his play at all.

I've only discussed passionately how important it is that Cassel needs to make throws beyond 10 yards.

wake me up when this becomes a problem in the 2010 regular season.

People bitching about preseason cracks me up because they have NO IDEA what the team is trying to work on...

pr_capone
08-22-2010, 08:58 AM
Give me 4 yards on every play and I'll be a happy boy. I don't care if its a run or a pass, wildcat, pro set, or spread offense.

milkman
08-22-2010, 09:03 AM
wake me up when this becomes a problem in the 2010 regular season.

People bitching about preseason cracks me up because they have NO IDEA what the team is trying to work on...

You really are a dumbass.

If Cassel had established last year that he had any accuarcy beyond 10 yards, then it wouldn't be an isssue at this point.

unlurking
08-22-2010, 09:03 AM
I haven't been discussing passionately how poorly Cassel played.

I haven't commented on his play at all.

I've only discussed passionately how important it is that Cassel needs to make throws beyond 10 yards.

True. I guess my question is how important it was for him to make throws beyond 10 yards in this game?

I'm still pissed that the replay was postponed. Sat down this morning to watch the TIVO from a last night and it was Seattle vs. Green Bay. I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to watch the game.
:cuss:

EDIT:
BTW, I was rooting for Clausen during the draft. I was looking for a change at the QB position myself, but that's obviously not going to happen this year.

milkman
08-22-2010, 09:08 AM
True. I guess my question is how important it was for him to make throws beyond 10 yards in this game?

I'm still pissed that the replay was postponed. Sat down this morning to watch the TIVO from a last night and it was Seattle vs. Green Bay. I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to watch the game.
:cuss:

It really wasn't important to last night's game.

It still leaves us with the questions we've asked, especially when you consider how badly he missed on his two attempts beyond 10 yards in the first game.

unlurking
08-22-2010, 09:21 AM
It really wasn't important to last night's game.

It still leaves us with the questions we've asked, especially when you consider how badly he missed on his two attempts beyond 10 yards in the first game.
No doubt, he looked quite weak in game one. It also seemed like we returned to the R2P2 offense to start that game which had me shaking my head.

I'm not expecting more than 6 wins anyway, so I'm just going to root for Weiss to play away from Cassel's weaknesses and steal an extra 2 games.

Micjones
08-22-2010, 09:38 AM
Cassel was highly efficient last night.
He completed 5 passes over 10 yards in one half of football.
He made good decisions. He got the ball out quickly.

Give the man credit.

Whether or not he continues to play this way remains to be seen.
Obviously he'll need to do so to warrant the contract he was given.

Let's not play dumb though like this wasn't a good performance on his part.

Marcellus
08-22-2010, 10:41 AM
Cassel was highly efficient last night.
He completed 5 passes over 10 yards in one half of football.
He made good decisions. He got the ball out quickly.

Give the man credit.

Whether or not he continues to play this way remains to be seen.
Obviously he'll need to do so to warrant the contract he was given.

Let's not play dumb though like this wasn't a good performance on his part.

Not to mention he is getting shit for not throwing beyond however many yards buy hiw man plays were even designed to throw the ball 20 yards down field.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-22-2010, 10:59 AM
I was trying to throw the Cassel Fan Club a bone.



In this offense the distance definitions change.


Short = at the line of scrimmage

Intermediate = swing pass or 3 yard out

Deep = swing or 3 yard out and the receiver runs for another 5-10 yards

ROFL

keg in kc
08-22-2010, 12:43 PM
Cassel was highly efficient last night.
He completed 5 passes over 10 yards in one half of football.
He made good decisions. He got the ball out quickly.

Give the man credit.

Whether or not he continues to play this way remains to be seen.
Obviously he'll need to do so to warrant the contract he was given.

Let's not play dumb though like this wasn't a good performance on his part.I'll agree with that.

If he plays during the season the way he played last night, we're in pretty good shape. He actually looked like he belonged on the field, and sitting at home (for what that's worth) it felt like he was in control of the game in a way I don't recall seeing last year. That may be the best I've seen him throw as well, it looked to be primarily tight spirals and he had some velocity. Also thought his accuracy was better although that could still improve - his receivers made some nice adjustments on balls thrown behind them. Which at the same time is their job, but I'd like to see him leading them a bit more effectively.

Either way, I thought he had a nice half. Was it a fluke or a sign of things to come? Time will tell.

I think we might have found our starting o-line last night. Or starting center, that is to say.

Ralphy Boy
08-22-2010, 12:53 PM
I'm still not sold on Cassel, waiting for the other shoe to drop, but he had a very good game.

History has shown that Cassel doesn't throw an accurate long ball and his naysayers will always hate that he doesn't have the weapon in his arsenal. Having said that his "short" passes last night were to be expected when playing a Cover 2, seeing as how the safeties are typically stationed 20 yards back to prevent the big play.

All in all, it was a very good game and he did a good job of taking what the defense gave against a Tampa defense that was ranked #10 against the pass last year.

Worth noting is that Tampa's pass defense still allowed a 62.4% completion % last season and 28 passing TD's, so they aren't exactly strong at preventing completions or TD's, just strong at preventing long passes.

He had a very good game and I wouldn't by any stretch call a 108.4 QB rating "average". He had a 108.9 QB rating in the preseason game against Minnesota last year and I think we would all agree that they were a better defense than Tampa is now, so I'm not getting too excited.

jspchief
08-22-2010, 01:58 PM
I just don't get why people keep pissing and moaning about paying the guy $60m.

What difference does it make? His contract is having no bearing on our ability to sign other players. We aren't cap stressed because of it. It's not coming out of your pocket. Honestly, wtf difference does it make what he's paid? You people act like it's your money or something.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-22-2010, 02:01 PM
I just don't get why people keep pissing and moaning about paying the guy $60m.

What difference does it make? His contract is having no bearing on our ability to sign other players. We aren't cap stressed because of it. It's not coming out of your pocket. Honestly, wtf difference does it make what he's paid? You people act like it's your money or something.

I'd pay him another 60 to GTFO.

Count Alex's Losses
08-22-2010, 02:06 PM
Give me 4 yards on every play and I'll be a happy boy. I don't care if its a run or a pass, wildcat, pro set, or spread offense.

Is Herm's dick in your ass?

Pawnmower
08-22-2010, 02:07 PM
It still leaves us with the questions we've asked, especially when you consider how badly he missed on his two attempts beyond 10 yards in the first game.

My only question is how gay to make your sig. I should probably start working on it now.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-22-2010, 02:07 PM
He managed the game well last night. If I were to offer a one sentence analysis of our offense, it would be that essentially every play we ran was a running play or an extension thereof. I doubt such an approach can be successful in the regular season, but Cassel was accurate and relatively poised last night (bad 3rd and 4 aside).

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 02:09 PM
You really are a dumbass.

If Cassel had established last year that he had any accuarcy beyond 10 yards, then it wouldn't be an isssue at this point.
I know the world began in 2009 and it only exists in Kansas City but Matt Cassel did show he could throw with accuracy beyond 10 yards in 2008 in New England. It would have helped if you had seen any of the games.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-22-2010, 02:09 PM
Is Herm's dick in your ass?

A pass-happy league, and we're running Capt. Checkdown "Efficiency" in a workman-like manner at best. Fuck.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-22-2010, 02:12 PM
I know the world began in 2009 and it only exists in Kansas City but Matt Cassel did show he could throw with accuracy beyond 10 yards in 2008 in New England. It would have helped if you had seen any of the games.

The world began in Eleventy Billion BC, Sir.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-22-2010, 02:12 PM
I know the world began in 2009 and it only exists in Kansas City but Matt Cassel did show he could throw with accuracy beyond 10 yards in 2008 in New England. It would have helped if you had seen any of the games.

Milkman watched every Pats game replayed on NFLN after we traded for him. It's been referenced several times.

Furthermore, if you look at Cassel's 2008 stats, you'd realize that his accuracy beyond 10 yards was not solely a problem last year.

KC Tattoo
08-22-2010, 02:20 PM
I know the world began in 2009 and it only exists in Kansas City but Matt Cassel did show he could throw with accuracy beyond 10 yards in 2008 in New England. It would have helped if you had seen any of the games.

He was great in college too, wasn't he?

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 02:22 PM
Milkman watched every Pats game replayed on NFLN after we traded for him. It's been referenced several times.

Furthermore, if you look at Cassel's 2008 stats, you'd realize that his accuracy beyond 10 yards was not solely a problem last year.
Oh well, fuck then! If Milkman says so then I guess I should fall down and pray to his genius.
You guys crack me up. You,Mecca,OTWP,Milkman,Dane. Fuckin geniuses who just declare things and its so.
Ask New England fans and media if they were disatisfied with Cassels running of the offense. Try watching the games he threw for over 400 yards and try to tell me he wasn't throwing it downfield. Last year he sucked. So did everything around him including the coaching. But don't try and say he's never done it or never had success. You just embarrass yourself when you do.

jspchief
08-22-2010, 02:28 PM
He was great in college too, wasn't he?You know, it's funny because I didn't tune in until Palko was already in, but my immediate thought was he looked more comfortable on the field than Cassel usually does.

Disregarding any mental or physical ability, whether Croyle, Palko, or Casey f'n Printers, all these guys have more presence on the field than Cassel.

I just don't think you can dismiss the experience that comes from being out there on the field when the live ammo is flying. Cassel almost always looks like a nervous rookie. And if he hasn't found a comfort level yet, I question whether he ever will, particularly if no other part this offense has the talent to be his crutch.

WebGem
08-22-2010, 02:29 PM
I think Cassel will be an MVP contender this year, I'm not kidding either. I can't think of a way that he won't be a top 5 guy in terms of MVP consideration. He may not have a realistic shot at winning, but if you have to rank guys in the late weeks of the season I can't possibly him imagine not being up there.

OnTheWarpath58
08-22-2010, 02:29 PM
I know the world began in 2009 and it only exists in Kansas City but Matt Cassel did show he could throw with accuracy beyond 10 yards in 2008 in New England. It would have helped if you had seen any of the games.

He did?

40% on throws over 10 yards is "throwing with accuracy?"

2008: 62/154 on throws over 10 yards. 40%.

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 02:37 PM
He did?

40% on throws over 10 yards is "throwing with accuracy?"

2008: 62/154 on throws over 10 yards. 40%.
Compared to what? What are the percentages for others qbs on throws over 10. Also, DO consider the first few weeks he was playing his first games in 7 years. Over the last 10 games I'm sure his numbers were much higher. Games against the Jets,Dolphins,and Raiders in particular he was chucking it and connecting quite often.

BossChief
08-22-2010, 02:39 PM
He did?

40% on throws over 10 yards is "throwing with accuracy?"

2008: 62/154 on throws over 10 yards. 40%.

and a GRAND TOTAL of 8 passes completed for NE over 20 yards ALL YEAR LONG...the team that broke NFL records for touchdown passes the year before and had one of the best dep ball receivers in league history at his disposal.

The Zombie is just that, as smart as a zombie.

Not sure why he isnt on universal ignore by now, but it is no surprise that the idiot is one of the few that earns his red stripes.

BossChief
08-22-2010, 02:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8644&sYear=2008

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 02:43 PM
and a GRAND TOTAL of 8 passes completed for NE over 20 yards ALL YEAR LONG...the team that broke NFL records for touchdown passes the year before and had one of the best dep ball receivers in league history at his disposal.

The Zombie is just that, as smart as a zombie.

Not sure why he isnt on universal ignore by now, but it is no surprise that the idiot is one of the few that earns his red stripes.
That's a thought. Here's another. Go fuck your mother.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-22-2010, 02:47 PM
This place is turning into DC.

OnTheWarpath58
08-22-2010, 02:47 PM
Compared to what? What are the percentages for others qbs on throws over 10. Also, DO consider the first few weeks he was playing his first games in 7 years. Over the last 10 games I'm sure his numbers were much higher. Games against the Jets,Dolphins,and Raiders in particular he was chucking it and connecting quite often.

So in other words, let's ignore the facts and continue to make excuses for him.

Got it.

Since he's being paid like a Top QB, let's compare him to a few of the top QB's:

Brees: 57%

Manning: 52%

Schaub: 57%


Any way you slice it, 40% is a shitty completion percentage.

Hell, he was only 46% from 11-20 yards in 2008.

BossChief
08-22-2010, 02:57 PM
That's a thought. Here's another. Go fuck your mother.

Thats how you take it when you get your shit pushed in huh...back to your hole, loser.

Just Passin' By
08-22-2010, 02:58 PM
The guy had a good outing and it's still a bitchfest.

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 03:01 PM
So in other words, let's ignore the facts and continue to make excuses for him.

Got it.

Since he's being paid like a Top QB, let's compare him to a few of the top QB's:

Brees: 57%

Manning: 52%

Schaub: 57%


Any way you slice it, 40% is a shitty completion percentage.

Hell, he was only 46% from 11-20 yards in 2008.
Listen fuckwad, I didn't say "ignore the facts", I instead asked for comparison numbers. Thank you for providing them. So fine, you have shown that Cassel was never as good as Peyton Manning,Drew Brees, or Matt Shaub. NO SHIT.
He is NOT being paid anywhere NEAR what Manning and Brees are. I don't know about Schaub. But yes let's change the arguement from your initial "He can't do it" to "well he's not as good as Manning and Brees". 40 is not 56. Congratulations Einstein, you've proven he's not one of the elite qbs that he's not being paid like.

BossChief
08-22-2010, 03:04 PM
Matt Cassel 6 years 63 million
Aaron Rodgers 6 years 65 million

SHould we run those numbers for quarterbacks that have been in the league for the same time, sat behind true franchise guys for the same period of time and are about the same age?

What better comparison could you ask for "to be fair"?

milkman
08-22-2010, 03:08 PM
Anyone who read my opinions of Cassel with the Patriots knows that I was trying to find the positives, and that was the focus of my posts.

OnTheWarpath58
08-22-2010, 03:10 PM
Matt Cassel 6 years 63 million
Aaron Rodgers 6 years 65 million

SHould we run those numbers for quarterbacks that have been in the league for the same time, sat behind true franchise guys for the same period of time and are about the same age?

What better comparison could you ask for "to be fair"?

Don't bother. This clown is the king of moving the goalposts.

First, it was trying to tell us that Cassel was accurate on throws over 10 yards in 2008.

Then, when that was proven wrong, he wanted comparisons, and got them - to guys he's being paid to perform like.

Then, he tries to claim that Cassel isn't getting paid like those guys, when in fact, he was the 3rd highest paid QB last year.

He's a troll, plain and simple, and is going back to my ignore list.

I'd suggest everyone else do the same.

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 03:11 PM
Matt Cassel 6 years 63 million
Aaron Rodgers 6 years 65 million

SHould we run those numbers for quarterbacks that have been in the league for the same time, sat behind true franchise guys for the same period of time and are about the same age?

What better comparison could you ask for "to be fair"?
Oh my God. Another genius. Matt Cassel isn't as good as Aaron Rodgers. Brilliant!!!!
Cuz I'm sure Rodgers salary is going to stay this low forever too.

Pioli Zombie
08-22-2010, 03:18 PM
Don't bother. This clown is the king of moving the goalposts.

First, it was trying to tell us that Cassel was accurate on throws over 10 yards in 2008.

Then, when that was proven wrong, he wanted comparisons, and got them - to guys he's being paid to perform like.

Then, he tries to claim that Cassel isn't getting paid like those guys, when in fact, he was the 3rd highest paid QB last year.

He's a troll, plain and simple, and is going back to my ignore list.

I'd suggest everyone else do the same.
I wish you would. I'm sick of morons like you who say this kind of stupid shit, like Cassel is being paid to be like Peyton Manning,Tom Brady, or Drew Brees. YOU are the ass hole who changed the arguement.
Look, Cassel sucked last year and if he sucks this year there are NO MORE excuses. But to say he somehow sucked in 2008 is total crap.