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orange
08-25-2010, 03:08 PM
Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots: Stop Your Demagogy About The NYC Mosque!

By RonPaul.com on August 20, 2010

Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservatives’ aggressive wars.

The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-08-20/ron-paul-sunshine-patriots-stop-your-demagogy-about-the-nyc-mosque/

orange
08-25-2010, 03:11 PM
Interview by Michael Smerconish:

http://www.smerconish.com/includes/news_items/9/990/ronpaulweb1.mp3

http://www.smerconish.com/includes/news_items/9/991/ronpaulweb2.mp3

healthpellets
08-25-2010, 03:26 PM
sorry, ron. this is where we part.

i'm all about their right to build it. their property. their right.

i don't like Islam on the whole. sorry, don't like it. don't trust it. if you want to label me an islamaphobe, feel free. i can respect your right to do your religious thing, but i don't like it.

i think you're 800 years behind the rest of the world's religions. i'm trying to think of another religion that demonstrates as much violence, but i cannot. it does not seem to me that there is only a small number of radicalized members of your faith. to me, it seems as though if every member of your faith was truly faithful to the word, all 1B members would be jihadists.

in time, when the violence of your "religion" is tempered, then maybe we can have a discussion. but until then, there is nothing more to discuss.

it's a damn shame Buddhism didn't spread more rapidly around the middle east. imagine the peace that would reign over that area of the world....

eta: in the same regard, i don't trust many christians, and particularity fundamentalist christians. and i don't trust what they are doing and have done to the GOP. i think, if given the opportunity, many Christians would institute their own version of Sharia law on the world.

blaise
08-25-2010, 03:26 PM
It's as much about hate and demagogy as when democrats portray Republicans are racists in order to drum up support.

Brainiac
08-25-2010, 03:28 PM
So, Orange, are you saying that you agree with Ron Paul's approaches to the important issues of the day?

BIG_DADDY
08-25-2010, 03:29 PM
I agree with a lot of what RP says but I definately disagree with him on this subject.

go bowe
08-25-2010, 03:32 PM
It's as much about hate and demagogy as when democrats portray Republicans are racists in order to drum up support.but, but...

republicans are racists...

everybody knows that...

Donger
08-25-2010, 03:32 PM
Let me guess: it's all the neo-cons' fault?

Donger
08-25-2010, 03:33 PM
LMAO

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

orange
08-25-2010, 03:36 PM
So, Orange, are you saying that you agree with Ron Paul's approaches to the important issues of the day?

I have occasionally agreed with Ron Paul. I grant you, it's rare.

I've even quoted Austrian economists from time to time.

It's about the nuts, not the squirrels.

go bowe
08-25-2010, 03:45 PM
I have occasionally agreed with Ron Paul. I grant you, it's rare.

I've even quoted Austrian economists from time to time.

It's about the nuts, not the squirrels.omg...

austrian economists?

bep has you under her spell...

was nice knowin' ya...

JohnnyV13
08-25-2010, 04:44 PM
I think Ron Paul has this one mostly right.

People need to calm down. Muslims are free to practice their religion and buy property. I have no problem with them building that mosque. Its not realy "right on ground zero". Its a few blocks away.

However, Ron Paul goes on to say we shouldn't even look into who is financing that mosque. There, I disagree. Unfortunately, many terrorist elements do identify with the Muslim religion and could be using a large center as a recruiting ground. Thus, I think its entirely reasonable for security agencies to scrutinize large Muslim facilities.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2010, 04:53 PM
I agree with Paul....in that this issue is getting overwrought to the point of irrationality.