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HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Sounds like the Beck rally in DC was a major deal. Still looking for a good coverage of it but sounds like it was huge.

Guru
08-28-2010, 04:34 PM
based on the pics there might have been more than that.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2010/08/082810pic01.jpg

2bikemike
08-28-2010, 04:37 PM
based on the pics there might have been more than that.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2010/08/082810pic01.jpg

Sharpton will probably claim those are his counter protesters!

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:40 PM
Sounds like the Beck rally in DC was a major deal. Still looking for a good coverage of it but sounds like it was huge.

"One might yawn at yet another anthill assembly in DC. But the purpose of Glenn Beck’s huge Lincoln-military celebration—with his fellow neocon warmonger Sarah Palin (a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bill Kristol)—is to try to make all the Tea Party people obedient tools of the Republican apparatus, and detach them from Ron Paul. As usual, mass killing and patriotism undermine freedom. It’s more Armageddon-promotion in the Middle East, but the true Paulians will not be fooled. According to Glenn, blessed are the warmakers. It’s an honor to die for your country. It’s an honor to lose your limbs. It’s an honor to kill other people by the boatload. But hey, Beck, don’t just talk. Fly into Afghanistan. I’ll help pay for your parachute." — Lew Rockwell

Shatzam...Glenn has Lincoln's image at the top of his sight too. Party of Lincoln. Party of War.

healthpellets
08-28-2010, 04:44 PM
link?

mikey23545
08-28-2010, 04:45 PM
Ron Paul couldn't attract 500,00 people with free beer and hookers...

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:46 PM
HPs,
For Beck? Click on the image to see the url.

For mine? Oh, I forgot. Glenn Beck’s Religio-Death Rally (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64493.html)

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:47 PM
Ron Paul couldn't attract 500,00 people with free beer and hookers...

That's WHY the pro Establishment Rs are using Paulians to win their way back into power. Then the NCs will turn on you guys too. You just wait.
Even Dinah Souza said we're helping your guys on that. Don't bite the hand that feeds you now.

notorious
08-28-2010, 04:47 PM
I really don't see why anyone is surprised.



If the people that hate him took the time to listen to some of Beck's takes they would probably find themselves agreeing with him from time to time.

healthpellets
08-28-2010, 04:49 PM
I really don't see why anyone is surprised.



If the people that hate him took the time to listen to some of Beck's takes they would probably find themselves agreeing with him from time to time.

nah. they're too busy creating things like this: http://glennbeckkk.com

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 04:51 PM
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Wow.

notorious
08-28-2010, 04:52 PM
nah. they're too busy creating things like this: http://glennbeckkk.com

Wow, there are some crazy people out there. ROFL

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:52 PM
nah. they're too busy creating things like this: http://glennbeckkk.com

Those tea bags in the tea cup photos are hilarious! :D

PunkinDrublic
08-28-2010, 04:53 PM
I really don't see why anyone is surprised.



If the people that hate him took the time to listen to some of Beck's takes they would probably find themselves agreeing with him from time to time.

ROFL

notorious
08-28-2010, 04:53 PM
Wow.

That kid did a great job. I would be crapping my pants in front of 500 people, much less 500,000.

notorious
08-28-2010, 04:54 PM
ROFL

?


Explain.

notorious
08-28-2010, 04:55 PM
Those tea bags in the tea cup photos are hilarious! :D

That was a nice touch.


The extreme from both sides are hilarious in their creativity.

healthpellets
08-28-2010, 04:57 PM
That was a nice touch.


The extreme from both sides are hilarious in their creativity.

when you've gotten big enough that someone creates a site like that, you must be doing some right, and scaring an awful lot of people.

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:57 PM
Good Gawd that Boy Scout has Lincoln on his dais!

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 04:58 PM
Good Gawd that Boy Scout has Lincoln on his dais!
are you anti scout as well?

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:58 PM
That was a nice touch.


The extreme from both sides are hilarious in their creativity.

I'm a Tea Partier! But I'm like the original ones from Boston Harbor.

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 04:59 PM
are you anti scout as well?

No. I'm pro-Scout. Hence my concern for Lincoln's image there. Washington or Jefferson are preferred. They're more in line with our Constitution

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:01 PM
Glenn Beck 'Restoring Honor' Rally Draws Vast Crowd to National Mall


MARY C. CURTIS
National Correspondent

On the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, at the spot Martin Luther King Jr. spoke 47 years ago, conservative commentator Glenn Beck told a huge "Restoring Honor" rally Saturday that the United States has "wandered in the darkness" for too long.

Beck is a widely watched Fox News personality and dogged critic of President Obama. But on Saturday, he drew a line from the biblical Moses to George Washington to Abraham Lincoln -- whose statue loomed behind him -- to King who gave his "I have a dream" speech in 1963, a seminal spark of the modern civil rights movement. His decision to schedule his rally on the King anniversary and his pledge to "reclaim the civil right movement" drew criticism, but Beck – a self-described student of American history -- said it was not intentional and attributed the date to "divine providence."

Beck said on Saturday that of all the leaders he admires, "I can relate to Martin Luther King the most," because he was a man who made a difference.
New York civil rights leader Al Sharpton held a "Reclaim the Dream" march and counter-rally at the Tidal Basin, several long blocks away from the Beck event. Sharpton has said he has honored King's speech every year, and his plan was not in reaction to Beck. "We come because the dream has not been achieved," Sharpton said on Saturday. "We've made a lot of progress. But we still have a long way to go."

On a comfortable, sunny day in the nation's capital, the predominantly white crowd at the National Mall, many dressed in American-flag inspired shirts and caps, soaked it all up and occasionally broke into chants of "USA. USA." Organizers had a permit for a gathering of 300,000, the AP said, and it appeared that was close to the mark. But the National Park Service no longer provides estimates for the size of crowds at the many rallies on the Mall.
Beck said what was happening at his rally had nothing to do with politics "and everything to do with God." The crowd, many clutching American flags, spilled from the Lincoln Memorial nearly a mile all way to the Washington Monument. "Something that is beyond man is happening," Beck said, said. "America today begins to turn back to God."

Beck had billed "Restoring Honor" as a non-political salute to the military, with proceeds after expenses going to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a nonprofit that provides scholarships to children of Special Ops troops killed in action or training.
Former Alaska Gov, Sarah Palin also spoke, as the "mother of a soldier;" Palin's son Track served in the U.S. Army in Iraq. But Palin, who said she felt the "spirit" of Martin Luther King Jr., did not avoid politics altogether. "We must not fundamentally transform American as some would want," she said. "We must restore America and restore her honor."

Beck awarded what he called "civilian" medals of honor, modeled on the military's Purple Heart, with themes of faith, hope and charity.

St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa introduced star player Albert Pujols, who won the Hope award for his foundation which helps people with Down syndrome. Pujols, who also aids the poor in the Dominican Republic, said he was happy to have the chance "to share the gospel of Jesus Christ." The Cardinals were in Washington for a series with the Nationals.
The more than three-hour event often seemed like a religious revival, with Beck calling on the crowd to go home and "pray on your knees," with the door open for your children to see. His King tribute focused on content of character, avoiding the 1963 speech's words on economic justice and warning that "America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds.' "
Dr. Alveda King, Martin Luther King's niece, did evoke the injustice of the times when she shared the stage with Beck. (King's son Martin Luther King III supported Sharpton's event.) The historical 1963 scenes that introduced her were reminders that the crowd that filled the same space 47 years ago was much more diverse.
When the African American singers joined her in a snippet of "Lift every Voice and Sing" -- the James Weldon Johnson poem set to music and known as the black national anthem – few in the crowd knew any of the words.
Nevertheless, many were moved, particularly by Beck's focus on the spiritual. "I'm a Christian," said Diane Gibson of Natchitoches, La. Her husband, Jim, said that the only way to "bring America back together" was "to turn back to Christ." While Diane said it was not about Democrats or Republicans, many at the event have been active in conservative politics and said they have attended Tea Party movement rallies.
Todd Burek of San Antonio, Texas, who traveled to Washington four times in the last year for demonstrations, found the day "pretty inspiring," and hoped some of Beck's inspiration would rub off on son Matthew, 7. Burek said, "Our country is headed in the wrong direction, away from the values our founders put in place." He called Martin Luther King "an American hero" and felt the presence of King's niece proved he would have approved of Beck. "Contrary to what they say," Burek said, "Beck is a good person who believes in what he says."
"I'm sold."

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 05:03 PM
Glenn Beck 'Restoring Honor' Rally Draws Vast Crowd to National Mall

Draws? As in spontaneously? I'd say it was planned but there's nothing wrong with that. Just reporting as spontaneously drawing is misleading.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:04 PM
Draws? As in spontaneously? I'd say it was planned but there's nothing wrong with that. Just reporting as spontaneously drawing is misleading.

half a million neo people. BEP, you need to have a drink and relax.

PunkinDrublic
08-28-2010, 05:04 PM
?


Explain.

What would I agree with him? Why would I care what an alcohaulic college dropout had to say?

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 05:12 PM
half a million neo people. BEP, you need to have a drink and relax.

Yes, that can be planned. They have huge mailing lists. He has a TV show. A big draw like that ain't spontaneous. Not with singers appearing and all. All such protests are organized and planned. Like I said not that there's anything wrong with that. It's not like they were all suddenly drawn mystically to the same spot with no heads up, though. ( I am not accusing this of being astro-turfing either.)

My only qualm with Beck is that he claims to be a liberatarian. He ain't no libertarian. Libertarians follow the non aggression doctrine.

notorious
08-28-2010, 05:14 PM
What would I agree with him? Why would I care what an alcohaulic college dropout had to say?


Taking personal responsibility.

Holding the people in office accountable.


He isn't a Pub or a Dem, in fact he tears both sides apart with equal ferocity.


He is one of the few people on talk radio that backs up what he says with ACTUAL audio recordings.

I listen to Sirius Left along with Rush and Beck, and yes Beck comes across as fucking crazy a lot, but he also has good points just like Sirius Left does if you wade past the bullshit.

notorious
08-28-2010, 05:15 PM
My only qualm with Beck is that he claims to be a liberatarian. He ain't no libertarian. Libertarians follow the non aggression doctrine.

When has he shown aggression? LMAO

healthpellets
08-28-2010, 05:15 PM
On a comfortable, sunny day in the nation's capital, the predominantly white crowd at the National Mall,

see, it's crap like that that annoys me. why the mention of the "predominantly white" crowd?

will anyone mention the "predominantly black" crowd at Sharpton's rally?

it's a stupid way to describe anything.

it's nearly as bad when the police ask for the public's help locating the suspect of a crime, describe the individual, but yet don't state the race of the suspect.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:16 PM
Yes, that can be planned. They have huge mailing lists. He has a TV show. A big draw like that ain't spontaneous. Not with singers appearing and all. All such protests are organized and planned.
My only qualm with Beck is that he claims to be a liberatarian. He ain't no libertarian. Libertarians follow the non aggression doctrine.

You seemingly have never seen a punchbowl you wouldn't piss in. How can you constantly find ways to negate every effort by everyone as bad, negative and neo whatever the hell you come up with? Good lord, you should relax and try to find something good occasionally.

notorious
08-28-2010, 05:17 PM
you should relax and try to find something good occasionally.


Ya, like the Chiefs.



Oh, wait........:)

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 05:17 PM
When has he shown aggression? LMAO

He's pro-war in the ME. That is in starting war or warring against a target that nothing to do with 9/11. That's a blatant violation of the non-aggression doctrine of libertarianism—the one thing their motley tent agrees on.

BucEyedPea
08-28-2010, 05:20 PM
You seemingly have never seen a punchbowl you wouldn't piss in. How can you constantly find ways to negate every effort by everyone as bad, negative and neo whatever the hell you come up with? Good lord, you should relax and try to find something good occasionally.

I defend what I think is good and criticize what I think is bad. Just like you do. Where have you been?

The Tea Party, which I belong to, is being hijacked by the BIG GOVT Inside the Beltway Crowd. They're false gods.
I'm sure not everyone in that crowd is one of them but they're being used. Look, at how many voted in that poll here thinking the Rs would repeal Obamacare.

notorious
08-28-2010, 05:20 PM
He's pro-war in the ME. That is in starting war or warring against a target that nothing to do with 9/11. That's a blatant violation of the non-aggression doctrine of libertarianism—the one thing their motley tent agrees on.

Oh, I know, I was being sarcastic.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:20 PM
Ya, like the Chiefs.



Oh, wait........:)

Tell me. I was there last night.

notorious
08-28-2010, 05:23 PM
Tell me. I was there last night.


I have hope.


God help me I will always have hope.

Bwana
08-28-2010, 05:24 PM
But, but, this just can't be, the Barry nut hugging libby's tell us that no one listens to Beck.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:24 PM
I defend what I think is good and criticize what I think is bad. Where have you been?

The Tea Party, which I belong to, is being hijacked by the BIG GOVT Inside the Beltway Crowd. They're false gods.

No actually you don't. But no one will ever be able to help you see that. I think its damn neat that beck, who i don't really care for, pulled off a huge success. That we have that many people who will show such a dedication to this country and their beliefs should be seen as good, not as some bullshit you dream up casting it as some pro war thing. Jesus H Christ, give it a rest. The last gasp efforts by the Paulites and every other fringe group who claim to be more tea party than the tea party is nuts.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 05:25 PM
I have hope.


God help me I will always have hope.

Oh, I agree. But damn. We still suck.

petegz28
08-28-2010, 05:36 PM
What would I agree with him? Why would I care what an alcohaulic college dropout had to say?

Bill Gates dropped out of college too. What a moron he is, heh?

healthpellets
08-28-2010, 05:58 PM
Bill Gates dropped out of college too. What a moron he is, heh?

no, but he shouldn't be as influential in the DoE as he is.

VAChief
08-28-2010, 07:10 PM
You seemingly have never seen a punchbowl you wouldn't piss in. Good lord, you should relax and try to find something good occasionally.

I don't think anyone is going to confuse you with Norman Vincent Peale either.

Pioli Zombie
08-28-2010, 08:30 PM
Lunatics generally draw large crowds.

ChiefaRoo
08-28-2010, 08:49 PM
I defend what I think is good and criticize what I think is bad. Just like you do. Where have you been?

The Tea Party, which I belong to, is being hijacked by the BIG GOVT Inside the Beltway Crowd. They're false gods.
I'm sure not everyone in that crowd is one of them but they're being used. Look, at how many voted in that poll here thinking the Rs would repeal Obamacare.

Pea. There are a lot of people on this board who follow politics closely. Why do you think you have some kind of special insight that we don't? I'm not saying all that you say is wrong but what I don't understand is how you can draw so many definate conclusions about events as if you're privy to information none of us ever read or see. What gives?

go bowe
08-28-2010, 08:54 PM
. . . What gives?not much...

Velvet_Jones
08-28-2010, 09:54 PM
are you anti scout as well?

That sumbitch was a NeoScout.

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 09:59 PM
That sumbitch was a NeoScout.
neosumbitch too

Warrior5
08-28-2010, 10:05 PM
Lunatics generally draw large crowds.

Clinton and Gore continue to draw large crowds, but the king of crowd gatherers is Obama, both here and abroad.

But you're not talking about them, are you?

HonestChieffan
08-28-2010, 10:06 PM
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Direckshun
08-28-2010, 11:20 PM
Hey, I enjoyed the event. It was like tea party porn.

Completely ridiculous, but hey. Least some people get off watching it.

mlyonsd
08-28-2010, 11:33 PM
Completely ridiculous, but hey. Least some people get off watching it.

Kind of like the Obama girl whore I'm guessing.

Direckshun
08-28-2010, 11:36 PM
Kind of like the Obama girl whore I'm guessing.

Kind of, only the intended audience takes it as gospel, rather than the wanking material it actually is.

By the way.

http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obamagirl.jpg

That bust line knows no ideology.

mlyonsd
08-28-2010, 11:49 PM
Kind of, only the intended audience takes it as gospel, rather than the wanking material it actually is.

By the way.

http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/obamagirl.jpg

That bust line knows no ideology.

For some reason I think she was better looking in the video.

I agree about the bust line though.

Bwana
08-29-2010, 12:15 AM
Lunatics generally draw large crowds.

Yeah, look at Obama!

Mile High Mania
08-29-2010, 11:09 AM
Yeah, look at Obama!

Neither party has a majority ownership on crazy...

Bwana
08-29-2010, 12:30 PM
Neither party has a majority ownership on crazy...

Oh, I agree 100%, but you have to admit, the group that's in there right now, has raised the bar to a new level of WTF.

Chiefshrink
08-29-2010, 12:41 PM
Oh, I agree 100%, but you have to admit, the group that's in there right now, has raised the bar to a new level of WTF.

Amen !!!!

Bottom line: The Progressive Marxist Dems and the Communist WH know they are in deep DO DO with the majority of "We the American People" politically.

It is just a damn shame their arrogant ego doesn't see our "Torches and Pitchforks" are ready to go even moreso than just the politics.

Our Fed gov like it or not "WILL FEAR THE PEOPLE" once again!!!!

Frankie
08-29-2010, 12:44 PM
What "honor" is Beck trying to restore? Gold?

healthpellets
08-29-2010, 12:55 PM
What "honor" is Beck trying to restore? Gold?

watch out. gold's gonna fall in late october / november.

notorious
08-29-2010, 02:24 PM
Kind of like the Obama girl whore I'm guessing.

She was interviewed by Hannity or Beck and said she was very upset that she backed Obama.


She sounded half-way intelligent, too.


Go figure.

notorious
08-29-2010, 02:25 PM
watch out. gold's gonna fall in late october / november.

Are you stealing my prediction? :)

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 04:11 PM
Good News From the Glenn Beck Rally (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64526.html)

Writes Bob Wenzel:

" I noted your [Lew's] comments on the Glenn Beck Rally. I happened to be on the streets of D.C. as the rally was breaking up. I watched the faces of those leaving the event, you know, sort of like the way you watch people coming out of a movie before you head in, to see what reaction people have on thier faces, happy, sad, etc.

The Glen Beck crowd looked totally bored. No one was pumped up. No one was moved to cry. There was no camaraderie among the attendees. Nothing, zero. I could tell for sure Ron Paul and Tom Woods weren’t speaking at this event. If I saw these faces walking out of a movie theatre showing, I would bet the movie would prove to be a total bust."

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 04:16 PM
No actually you don't. But no one will ever be able to help you see that.
Oh yes I do. It's just that there's some things about Establishment Rs that I think are wrong. I just agree with more on that side than I do with the left:
Economics mostly, taxes and fiscal policy when they actually walk the walk...not when they don't. Then I'll criticize them. I defended Bush on the Katrina criticism. I also defended Obama on the Somali pirate incident. Somehow, I just can't get into the insignificant stuff like Obama bowing they way you do.

I am a paleo-conservative which is old right and which has more in common with libertarianism but which is not libertaranism per se. So Beck is fine on domestic issues such as economics, taxes and fiscal policy, excessive regulation, business and free-markets but not on FP. Plain, Beck. MCCain and most Establishment Rs fail to see how the war side affects our economy adversely too. That's where I draw the line on the Inside-The-Beltway Republicans.

Relax, I am going to be voting R in the elections.

I think its damn neat that beck, who i don't really care for, pulled off a huge success. That we have that many people who will show such a dedication to this country and their beliefs should be seen as good, not as some bullshit you dream up casting it as some pro war thing. Jesus H Christ, give it a rest. The last gasp efforts by the Paulites and every other fringe group who claim to be more tea party than the tea party is nuts.
Yeah uh....whatever.

BTW how are your farm subsidies?

Frankie
08-29-2010, 04:21 PM
500,000 Beck rally? Wow.

How many Tea Party buses would that be? :hmmm:

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 04:22 PM
Pea. There are a lot of people on this board who follow politics closely. Why do you think you have some kind of special insight that we don't?

Who said I think that. I am just expressing my pov like everyone else here. I am not happy with the direction of this country and that is under Estblishment Rs and the Left. Besides, I was just the messenger when I put up Lew's statement. Y'all are shooting the messenger.

I'm not saying all that you say is wrong but what I don't understand is how you can draw so many definate conclusions about events as if you're privy to information none of us ever read or see. What gives?

I just read different stuff with a different analysis. One of them being I am tired of war. That's pretty much what polls are showing for most of America.

That's what gives.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 04:26 PM
How many Tea Party buses would that be? :hmmm:

I'm a Tea Partier. That was no Tea Party.

Brainiac
08-29-2010, 04:43 PM
Good News From the Glenn Beck Rally (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64526.html)

Writes Bob Wenzel:

" I noted your [Lew's] comments on the Glenn Beck Rally. I happened to be on the streets of D.C. as the rally was breaking up. I watched the faces of those leaving the event, you know, sort of like the way you watch people coming out of a movie before you head in, to see what reaction people have on thier faces, happy, sad, etc.

The Glen Beck crowd looked totally bored. No one was pumped up. No one was moved to cry. There was no camaraderie among the attendees. Nothing, zero. I could tell for sure Ron Paul and Tom Woods weren’t speaking at this event. If I saw these faces walking out of a movie theatre showing, I would bet the movie would prove to be a total bust."

One can't help but wonder if Bob Wenzel saw all 500,000 attendees.

Saul Good
08-29-2010, 05:11 PM
19,852

Does anyone know the significance of this number?

patteeu
08-29-2010, 05:30 PM
19,852

Does anyone know the significance of this number?

kstater's postcount?

The number of bad decisions made by the Obama administration since the beginning of recovery summer?

The cost to the taxpayers of Obama's latest golf outing?

The number of days we'll have to wait for BucEyedPea to admit that she misquoted Ronald Reagan because she trusted Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell too much?

Saul Good
08-29-2010, 05:35 PM
kstater's postcount?

The number of bad decisions made by the Obama administration since the beginning of recovery summer?

The cost to the taxpayers of Obama's latest golf outing?

The number of days we'll have to wait for BucEyedPea to admit that she misquoted Ronald Reagan because she trusted Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell too much?

Actually, it's the number of votes RP received in the 2008 presidential election. It is slightly less than one 25th of the number of people who attended Beck's rally. Maybe it was a shitty movie, but the box office loved it.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 06:03 PM
Actually, it's the number of votes RP received in the 2008 presidential election. It is slightly less than one 25th of the number of people who attended Beck's rally. Maybe it was a shitty movie, but the box office loved it.

Things are changing. People are fed up with both parties. So your sentifment is 2008. As of April 24, 2010: (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

But Republican voters also have decidedly mixed feelings about Paul, who has been an outspoken critic of the party establishment.

Obama earns 79% support from Democrats, but Paul gets just 66% of GOP votes. Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president.

Keep living in the past Establishment Republicans.

Frankie
08-29-2010, 06:06 PM
I'm a Tea Partier. That was no Tea Party.

Isn't there more than one Tea Party now?

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 06:09 PM
Isn't there more than one Tea Party now?

There was the one before our War for Independence. But the one these days has been infiltrated and hijacked by the Establishment Rs and is now divided. Both sides refuse to vote for the other guys man. I am one of the original and true limited govt Tea Partiers.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 06:12 PM
Saul Good, HonestChiefFan and Patteeu and possibly Chiefaroo are in that 11% category.

King_Chief_Fan
08-29-2010, 06:13 PM
One can't help but wonder if Bob Wenzel saw all 500,000 attendees.

with 500k in attendance it was probably those that got there late and had to stand 10 blocks away

Saul Good
08-29-2010, 06:46 PM
Saul Good, HonestChiefFan and Patteeu and possibly Chiefaroo are in that 11% category.

I'd vote for Paul if I thought he had a chance to win. Hell, I'd vote for pat if I thought he had a chance to win. I'd take either of them over any of the establishment candidates right now.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 06:53 PM
I'd vote for Paul if I thought he had a chance to win. Hell, I'd vote for pat if I thought he had a chance to win. I'd take either of them over any of the establishment candidates right now.

Yeah, it's good to know an election is a horse race for some. :shake: Look at those poll numbers.They don't back up your opinion—at ALL! Another poll showed more Indies prefer Paul too. Isn't that what swings an election? More people are realizing both parties are owned at the leadership level. People are pissed-off more than ever before. More than in 2008. Elections are all about timing. If the same old worn out argument of "if he could win" wasn't used maybe things would change.

Saul Good
08-29-2010, 07:44 PM
The guy got 1% from his own freaking party two years ago. He has no chance. I'll put my chips behind someone with a chance before I'll write in my own name.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 09:18 PM
The guy got 1% from his own freaking party two years ago. He has no chance. I'll put my chips behind someone with a chance before I'll write in my own name.

Did you read what the most recent polls show about that today?
You conservatives are stuck in the past. 2008 is OVAH!
No wonder you want to conserve it with I don't want to hear it, see it or talk about that.

BucEyedPea
08-29-2010, 09:22 PM
"He included uglyite John Hagee in his Church of the Divine Lincoln."—Lew

Bewbies
08-29-2010, 10:50 PM
I'm pretty sure the biggest loon on this side of the board isn't a lefty.

Chief Henry
08-30-2010, 08:26 AM
But, but, this just can't be, the Barry nut hugging libby's tell us that no one listens to Beck.



You are sounding like Amno withthis take ;)

BucEyedPea
08-30-2010, 09:16 AM
I'm pretty sure the biggest loon on this side of the board isn't a lefty.

Me thinks someone is protesting too much. Mirror, Mirror and all.

You're an alt.

Amnorix
08-30-2010, 09:30 AM
No. I'm pro-Scout. Hence my concern for Lincoln's image there. Washington or Jefferson are preferred. They're more in line with our Constitution

You know Washington took Hamilton's side against Jefferson just about every time, was strongly in favor of the Constitution over the Articles of Confederation, and led an army to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion, right?

The more you know about George, the more you'll realize that he is definitely not a hero for the politics you preach.

BucEyedPea
08-30-2010, 09:48 AM
You know Washington took Hamilton's side against Jefferson just about every time, was strongly in favor of the Constitution over the Articles of Confederation, and led an army to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion, right?
You sound like a broken record since we've argued this before. More than once if I recall. I think you just want to hijack the thread and take the attention off of Beck.

The more you know about George, the more you'll realize that he is definitely not a hero for the politics you preach.
I know enough about George having read two biographies. I've posted about those insights before.

However, you just lied in your first sentence to claim he took Hamilton's side every time without all the data. He was torn between the two men. But George really didn't understand the issues to hand as well as the Jefferson either. Hamilton had undue influence on him as a result. I didn't either when I read the first biography. I hated Jefferson. Thought he was thin skinned but now I know why he did what he did since those biographies don't really articulate those ideas of Jefferson much since it's a bio about a man. George was just a beloved military leader of good character. Jefferson turned out to be right though. Hamilton's Bank brought speculation and inflation even back then which enriched his buddies. Most of these points are left out of such books.

Lastly, we've gone way beyond what even Hamilton argued for. So it's irrelevant when a lefty cites Hamilton and Washington.

Lzen
08-30-2010, 10:39 AM
What would I agree with him? Why would I care what an alcohaulic college dropout had to say?

Beck is a former alcoholic. He quit drinking many years ago when he realized that it was ruining his life. He is actually an intelligent, well spoken person. I listen to him/watch him because he speaks the truth and discusses topics with which I agree. It really doesn't matter to me whether he is a college dropout or had an alcohol addiction in the past.

PunkinDrublic
08-30-2010, 11:00 AM
Beck is a former alcoholic. He quit drinking many years ago when he realized that it was ruining his life. He is actually an intelligent, well spoken person. I listen to him/watch him because he speaks the truth and discusses topics with which I agree. It really doesn't matter to me whether he is a college dropout or had an alcohol addiction in the past.

In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.

Brock
08-30-2010, 11:16 AM
"Don't go to the cash for clunkers website! They're gonna take over your computer!" ROFL

patteeu
08-30-2010, 11:28 AM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.

Isn't your negative reaction to Beck just based on the fact that he tells you things you don't want to hear? Where's the superiority in that?

Saul Good
08-30-2010, 11:32 AM
Isn't your negative reaction to Beck just based on the fact that he tells you things you don't want to hear? Where's the superiority in that?

If you were posting that to someone smarter, you would get shredded.

mlyonsd
08-30-2010, 11:42 AM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.
I had to read that twice to make sure you weren't talking about Obama.

Dallas Chief
08-30-2010, 11:49 AM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.

Who ever said you have to have an experise in anything to be allowed to speak, much less a specialized one? If anything the results of the '08 general election should show you that. I believe you are in way over your head here half-pint. You should stick to the one-liner, half baked, open mic, stand-up bit. You could drown in the deep end of the pool.

ROYC75
08-30-2010, 11:53 AM
I had to read that twice to make sure you weren't talking about Obama.

It well could be Obama, his policies and actions so far resembles Obama.

But PunkinDrublic wouldn't know this, he's blind, deaf and anything else you want to add to the mix.

Bottom line is their are a lot of people unhappy, disappointed, ticked off to no end at Obama and the left doesn't like the movement.

ROYC75
08-30-2010, 12:31 PM
Heh, leave it to CBS for disputing the #'s with 87K with a 9K error. NBC is claiming 300 - 325K while MSNBC is chirping in at 500K.

Regardless, it's a lot of people upset with the government to show their displeasure.

Obama & the DNC should be concerned if they haven't taken it serious yet.

BigChiefFan
08-30-2010, 12:35 PM
Beck is a master manipulator. 90% of the stuff he says, the masses agree with, then he hits you with a side swipe, with the power of suggestion and shows he's another cronie, working for the system.

For the bail-outs, until it passes. How convient.
For invasion into Iraq.
For the Patriot Act.

He's a phony.

alpha_omega
08-30-2010, 12:37 PM
... If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded....

Do tell which expert-laden "show" you speak of.

Frankie
08-30-2010, 01:14 PM
Beck is a former alcoholic. He quit drinking many years ago when he realized that it was ruining his life. He is actually an intelligent, well spoken person. I listen to him/watch him because he speaks the truth and discusses topics with which I agree. It really doesn't matter to me whether he is a college dropout or had an alcohol addiction in the past.

I always figured him as an intelligent but evil and opportunistic. But the intelligent part has evaporated in the last couple of years as I fully believe that he now thinks himself a prophet. I think he now has crossed the reality line into actually believing the shit he spews. Kind of a Right Wing Howard Beale. In that way he is now even more dangerous to our society as there are a lot of idiots following him.

Dallas Chief
08-30-2010, 01:17 PM
Beck is a master manipulator. 90% of the stuff he says, the masses agree with, then he hits you with a side swipe, with the power of suggestion and shows he's another cronie, working for the system.

For the bail-outs, until it passes. How convient.
For invasion into Iraq.
For the Patriot Act.

He's a phony.

Yep. Alex Jones is saying so, on-air right now! :D

chiefsnorth
08-30-2010, 01:49 PM
Lol- the AP calls at least 300,000 people "tens of thousands"

Chief Henry
08-30-2010, 01:58 PM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. OBAMA has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.

You have just described Obama and his sheep.

LOCOChief
08-30-2010, 02:37 PM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance.

Hey smart guy, how do you spell here, as in "he tells you what you want to ____?

Wonder how you would do in college?

You don't like him because he's recovering alcoholic? That's pretty funny given your username.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-30-2010, 02:41 PM
87,000

LOCOChief
08-30-2010, 02:44 PM
I always figured him as an intelligent but evil and opportunistic. But the intelligent part has evaporated in the last couple of years as I fully believe that he now thinks himself a prophet. I think he now has crossed the reality line into actually believing the shit he spews. Kind of a Right Wing Howard Beale. In that way he is now even more dangerous to our society as there are a lot of idiots following him.

Can you quote some of the "shit he spews" that makes his listeners "idiots" for listening?

I'm one of those idiots that listens to his radio show a couple of time per week and while I do think he's melodramatic I rarely if EVER hear any reasonable criticisms or anything substantiated, mostly just retarded personal attacts like the ones posted in this thread.

talastan
08-30-2010, 02:46 PM
87,000+213,000 = 300,000

FYP ;)

talastan
08-30-2010, 02:50 PM
The interesting thing I'm seeing so far is the fact that outside of calling Beck names, and questioning the way he gets his message out; there has been little if anything said to dispute any of his points. Everyone screams and calls names, or deflects; but no one has IMO given any reasonable counterpoint to the subject matter that Beck brings to his TV and radio shows. That is why I listen to him.

BucEyedPea
08-30-2010, 02:52 PM
Except libertarians, like Lew and paleo-cons like me.
I might add, in that light, that I felt it important to point out Beck's FP views because preemptive war is a precurser to executive tyranny.

Baby Lee
08-30-2010, 03:03 PM
It is time to pop the tea baggers' favorite balloon (so what if it will be replaced by another?), and with that in mind I hereby offer to negotiate a $100,000 payday to the person who will come forward with a sex tape or phone records or anything else that succeeds in removing Glenn Beck from the public eye forever. I am not offering the cash myself, but I will broker the deal and/or raise the money for what you bring to the table. (And it better be good.)

If you have the goods, or if you want to contribute to a slush fund to buy more takedowns (probably not tax deductible), please contact me at: glennbecksextape@gmail.com.

Redacted by HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beau-friedlander/100000-for-glenn-becks-se_b_698724.html

Lzen
08-30-2010, 03:39 PM
Can you quote some of the "shit he spews" that makes his listeners "idiots" for listening?

I'm one of those idiots that listens to his radio show a couple of time per week and while I do think he's melodramatic I rarely if EVER hear any reasonable criticisms or anything substantiated, mostly just retarded personal attacts like the ones posted in this thread.

Exactly.

patteeu
08-30-2010, 03:42 PM
87,000

:LOL: Outlier!

Lzen
08-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Redacted by HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beau-friedlander/100000-for-glenn-becks-se_b_698724.html

Yep, real classy of them.

Beck addressed this today.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/videos/?uri=channels/390088/1013036

alpha_omega
08-30-2010, 03:57 PM
For those interested...Today Show (and guests) react to Beck's rally.
http://tinyurl.com/2cdoftn

Guru
08-30-2010, 04:13 PM
In other words he tells you what you want to here. Beck has no specialized expertise to speak on anything. If he were on one of those shows with a panel of experts who actually know what they are talking about he would get shredded. I feel sorry for people like you and your willful ignorance. You are a hypocrite.

orange
08-30-2010, 04:14 PM
87,000

:LOL: Outlier!

Counting heads

It’s not all porto and pastéis de nata for me here in Portugal. I spent yesterday doing journalism.

I was contacted a couple of days earlier by Curt Westergard, whose Airphotoslive.com company uses cameras on tethered balloons to produce high-resolution aerial photos. He had been hired by CBS News to get images of the crowd that gathered Saturday for the Glenn Beck “Restoring Honor” Tea Party rally at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. CBS also wanted a credible estimate of the size of the crowd. That’s where I came in.

I started doing crowd estimates back in my Miami Herald days, for local events such as a visit by Pope John Paul II or the annual Calle Ocho street festival. After the 2008 presidential election, I wrote a piece about crowd counting for MSNBC.com, and that led to news media requests for an estimate of the crowd for President Obama’s inauguration. I used a satellite image taken over the National Mall on January 20, 2009, to estimate the crowd there at about 800,000.

Crowd counting, particularly of political events, always is controversial. The organizers of the event inevitably hype their crowd estimate — often grossly — to demonstrate the popularity of their cause, and opponents inevitably underestimate to fit their own agenda. Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.

Naturally, I expected more of the same about my Beck rally estimate. To calculate it, I used Airphotoslive.com’s very striking images (MUCH larger than the thumbnail posted here)

http://stevedoig.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cbsimage6814705x-300x225.jpg
Airphotoslive.com shot for CBS News

to make density estimates across different zones of the crowd; a variety of ground-level images from news photographers and attendees who posted their photos on Flickr; and Google Earth to measure the square footage of the different zones. Yes, I included the crowd areas under the trees; the full-size Airphotolive images were detailed enough to discern the edges of the crowd even there.

My estimate is that about 80,000 people were at the rally. Ryan Shuler, an Airphotoslive image analyst, used the same images and a different grid-density method to produce an estimate of 87,000. Considering the error margins around our separately-calculated estimates, they are statistically identical. CBS went with the 87,000 figure, which I certainly can accept.

Now the fun begins in the blogosphere. NBC News, the New York Times, and other large media outlets that didn’t attempt a scientific estimate uncritically accepted Beck’s claim of “300,000 to 500,000″. (At least Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s laughable claim of 1 million isn’t being treated seriously.)

The CBS News estimate immediately was vilified by conservative bloggers, and often rabidly-virulent comments from readers are being posted on news stories that mention the CBS estimate. I won’t post more links, but you can find plenty by Googling “beck rally attendance” and similar search terms.

The frothing underscores the problem with hyped predictions of crowd size. Organizers and supporters are forced to insist loudly that the actual crowd met or exceeded their expectations, for fear that the realistic estimate will be painted as a disappointment. The time-honored way to dismiss scientific estimates that don’t reflect the pre-event hype is to claim political bias on the part of those doing the estimate. I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased.

I expect that kind of behavior from partisans on both sides. I am disappointed, though, by the many responsible news organizations that failed to produce their own independent estimates and instead reported only ungrounded hype. Their readers and viewers deserve better journalism than that.

[DOIG afternote: I welcome reasoned comment and questions. Don't bother sending ideological rants from any direction; I trash those. Also, it may take a while for your comment to be read and approved. I'm in Portugal five hours ahead of DC, also the flood of hits on the site has slowed it way down.]

This entry was posted on Sunday, August 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am and is filed under Doing journalism. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

http://stevedoig.com/archives/250

Guru
08-30-2010, 04:17 PM
87,000
You must be a member of the AP because your number is wayyyyyyy off.

Of course, you were just being funny and you know the number is higher. Much higher.

PunkinDrublic
08-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Who ever said you have to have an experise in anything to be allowed to speak, much less a specialized one? If anything the results of the '08 general election should show you that. I believe you are in way over your head here half-pint. You should stick to the one-liner, half baked, open mic, stand-up bit. You could drown in the deep end of the pool.

I never said he shouldn't be allowed to speak. I don't put much stock into what Beck or his simpleton followers have to say. Apparently the Beck youth in this forum find that offensive.

patteeu
08-30-2010, 04:25 PM
Counting heads

It’s not all porto and pastéis de nata for me here in Portugal. I spent yesterday doing journalism.

...

That all sounds very scientific, but of course that doesn't mean it's credible. That number remains an outlier with many news organizations that are not favorably inclined toward Beck or Palin reporting much larger estimates.

talastan
08-30-2010, 04:27 PM
That all sounds very scientific, but of course that doesn't mean it's credible. That number remains an outlier with many news organizations that are not favorably inclined toward Beck or Palin reporting much larger estimates.

Careful Orange you might hurt O-bot's....eer sorry...Orange's delicate psyche. Reality only comes from the chosen progressive few.

alpha_omega
08-30-2010, 04:28 PM
87,000...300,000: the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Still a pretty impressive number either way, don't you think?

Lzen
08-30-2010, 04:31 PM
I never said he shouldn't be allowed to speak. I don't put much stock into what Beck or his simpleton followers have to say. Apparently the Beck youth in this forum find that offensive.

That is perfectly fine. Everyone is entitle to his or her beliefs and opinions. I just find your arrogance comical. You act as if you believe that you're more intelligent than the average Beck fan yet you prove that it is probably the opposite.

orange
08-30-2010, 04:31 PM
Careful Orange you might hurt O-bot's....eer sorry...Orange's delicate psyche. Reality only comes from the chosen progressive few.

"I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased."

PunkinDrublic
08-30-2010, 04:34 PM
If you were posting that to someone smarter, you would get shredded.

As opposed to the years of brilliant enlightenment you've brought to the board.

talastan
08-30-2010, 04:35 PM
"I am amused to see that those who embraced my Obama inauguration estimate as soberly realistic are now attacking the Beck rally estimate, produced using exactly the same methods, as deliberately biased."

If it makes you feel any better I never embraced any estimate of the inauguration. And yet again as for how many people....why does it matter...the content is still valid and unfortunatley for the left something they can't seem to dispute.

orange
08-30-2010, 04:47 PM
The crowd numbers don't really matter - except to FOX friends. Apparently O'Reilly and Beck had some sort of bet around 100,000 attendance. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

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vailpass
08-30-2010, 05:02 PM
obama the Great Divider. Has this country ever been more at odds with herself than the days of Civil War? Do we have our Lincoln waiting out there somewhere?

Chief Henry
08-30-2010, 05:27 PM
I never said he shouldn't be allowed to speak. I don't put much stock into what Obama or his simpleton followers have to say. Apparently the Obama youth in this forum find that offensive.

fyp again

Chief Henry
08-30-2010, 05:30 PM
That is perfectly fine. Everyone is entitle to his or her beliefs and opinions. I just find your arrogance comical. You act as if you believe that you're more intelligent than the average Beck fan yet you prove that it is probably the opposite.




He's been that way for a long time. It makes him feel superior in his own little world of the internetand coffee shopswhere he buys $5 cups of coffee.

Frankie
08-30-2010, 05:46 PM
Can you quote some of the "shit he spews" that makes his listeners "idiots" for listening?

I'm one of those idiots that listens to his radio show a couple of time per week and while I do think he's melodramatic I rarely if EVER hear any reasonable criticisms or anything substantiated, mostly just retarded personal attacts like the ones posted in this thread.

Come on LOCO! All the shit that range from Obama is a Marxist, racist, not American or Christian, all the sickle and hammer stuff, all the bad acting and crocodile tears, his contradictions about the state of the health care, none of that has struck you as stupid and targeted to the stupid?! Jon Stewart, Olbermann and Maddow keep showing contradictions of his recorded statements almost every day. There are too many to quote. So far I have shaken my head and moved on. Maybe I will catalog some of that stuff when I hear or see them for the next time you ask.

Frankie
08-30-2010, 05:49 PM
The interesting thing I'm seeing so far is the fact that outside of calling Beck names, and questioning the way he gets his message out; there has been little if anything said to dispute any of his points. Everyone screams and calls names, or deflects; but no one has IMO given any reasonable counterpoint to the subject matter that Beck brings to his TV and radio shows. That is why I listen to him.

Watch some of the oppositions' shows every once in a while. You'll have a better basis to judge.

Frankie
08-30-2010, 06:11 PM
obama the Great Divider. Has this country ever been more at odds with herself than the days of Civil War? Do we have our Lincoln waiting out there somewhere?

"He is a divider" because he is black and his middle name is Hussein. The two facts that do not match the traditional blue eyed European-ancestry presidents we are all used to. Some with more of an open mind accept the changing days. Others find any change frightening and threatening. People like Beck and Limbaugh prey on the latter and run all the way to the bank laughing.

I have my own problems about Obama's performance so far. But I have heard a lot more rational criticism of Obama's handling of his administration from the Left, and a lot of hysterical howling from the Right.

vailpass
08-30-2010, 06:20 PM
"He is a divider" because he is black and his middle name is Hussein. The two facts that do not match the traditional blue eyed European-ancestry presidents we are all used to. Some with more of an open mind accept the changing days. Others find any change frightening and threatening. People like Beck and Limbaugh prey on the latter and run all the way to the bank laughing.

I have my own problems about Obama's performance so far. But I have heard a lot more rational criticism of Obama's handling of his administration from the Left, and a lot of hysterical howling from the Right.

ROFL

Bewbies
08-30-2010, 06:44 PM
"He is a divider" because he is black and his middle name is Hussein. The two facts that do not match the traditional blue eyed European-ancestry presidents we are all used to. Some with more of an open mind accept the changing days. Others find any change frightening and threatening. People like Beck and Limbaugh prey on the latter and run all the way to the bank laughing.

I have my own problems about Obama's performance so far. But I have heard a lot more rational criticism of Obama's handling of his administration from the Left, and a lot of hysterical howling from the Right.

You're loonier than the neo-loon herself.

BucEyedPea
08-30-2010, 08:11 PM
You're loonier than the neo-loon herself.

You're a neo-loony. ROFL

Cause you got nuthin!

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:14 PM
ROFL

So does that mean you have taken the time to shut and listen or not? Guess not, ay?

Brock
08-30-2010, 08:19 PM
So does that mean you have taken the time to shut and listen or not? Guess not, ay?

Listen to Liar Glen Beck? No thank you.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:23 PM
Listen to Liar Glen Beck? No thank you.

And who did you hear he was a liar from? The View?

Brock
08-30-2010, 08:25 PM
And who did you hear he was a liar from? The View?

I didn't hear it from anybody.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:26 PM
I'm not a Republican or a Tea Party member or anything. The guy has just made a lot of sense when I've listened to him. I could do without some of the levels of sarcasm, just personal taste. But then again, it's hard not to be sarcastic with what is going on in this administration.

notorious
08-30-2010, 08:28 PM
I enjoy the parts of his show when they play actual audio of a political figure making an ass of themselves.

Glenn makes a lot of fun of himself, especially when it comes to alcohol or food. LMAO

Even if you don't like the content, it is a hell of a lot more fun and entertaining then anything on Sirius Left, which I also listen to often to hear both sides.



Both sides are ****ing nuts, BTW.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:29 PM
I didn't hear it from anybody.

Okay so, I just asked if you had taken the time to stop and listen to him and you said no, then called him a liar. If you haven't listened to him or anybody else about him, how do you know he's a liar? It's gotta be one or the other. I've listened for hours and not heard him lie about anything. I've heard him make some statements and then come back and apologize for a lack of tact, but I haven't heard him lie.

notorious
08-30-2010, 08:31 PM
I've heard him make some statements and then come back and apologize for a lack of tact, but I haven't heard him lie.

That is one thing I have NEVER heard a Sirius Left host do: admit when they are wrong.


NEVER.

Brock
08-30-2010, 08:36 PM
Okay so, I just asked if you had taken the time to stop and listen to him and you said no, then called him a liar. If you haven't listened to him or anybody else about him, how do you know he's a liar? It's gotta be one or the other. I've listened for hours and not heard him lie about anything. I've heard him make some statements and then come back and apologize for a lack of tact, but I haven't heard him lie.

When cash for clunkers was happening he told his listeners not to go to the website because the government was going to access their computer. There are plenty of legitimate complaints about the government without lying about it.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:37 PM
I don't have Sirius. So I wouldn't know. But Glenn is calling for accountability in government, and balancing the checkbook, calling into question Obama's marxist, communist and terrorists verified connections and influences in a time when we are at war with terrorism. Calls for illegal aliens to do it right or get out. Refuses to comply with politically correct standards and calls for a re-connection with founding Fathers' values that built this county.... Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:39 PM
When cash for clunkers was happening he told his listeners not to go to the website because the government was going to access their computer. There are plenty of legitimate complaints about the government without lying about it.

I didn't hear that. I don't know is that a lie? Did you know that companies can identify your computer? That may have been a little paranoid on his part. But there are bigger issues at hand than cash for clunkers although that was another stupid, negative balance idea.

Brock
08-30-2010, 08:41 PM
I didn't hear that. I don't know is that a lie? Did you know that companies can identify your computer? That may have been a little paranoid on his part. But there are bigger issues at hand than cash for clunkers although that was another stupid, negative balance idea.

It is a lie.

DO NOT GO ON CARS.GOV, a disclaimer says by using the site your computer and all of it's files are then property of the government. This means they can look at your computer anytime and if you use a program like Skype they can eaves drop on any call you make. It is like having the government sitting by your side as you use it.


WARNING - DO NOT LOG ON TO CARS.GOV

If you log on to cars.gov and accept the privacy terms, the government now has the right to take all the information on your computer. That will include all your personal information, bank records, transactions, web site log ins, EVERYTHING ON YOUR COMPUTER.

I am not saying the government will take your personal information. I am telling you that accepting the terms will allow them to.

Is this what our government is coming to?

notorious
08-30-2010, 08:41 PM
I don't have Sirius. So I wouldn't know. But Glenn is calling for accountability in government, and balancing the checkbook, calling into question Obama's marxist, communist and terrorists verified connections and influences in a time when we are at war with terrorism. Calls for illegal aliens to do it right or get out. Refuses to comply with politically correct standards and calls for a re-connection with founding Fathers' values that built this county.... Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

He is spot on with a lot of his takes, but the religious stuff and some of his "connect the dots" takes scare a lot of people away.


My dad is a conservative and even he rolls his eyes when I tell him about Beck's program.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:44 PM
He is spot on with a lot of his takes, but the religious stuff and some of his "connect the dots" takes scare a lot of people away.


My dad is a conservative and even he rolls his eyes when I tell him about Beck's program.

I can see that. But I'm a pretty heavy spiritual guy, so that stuff rings true with me personally. I can see how that would get annoying to people who would prefer it stay more conservative issue. However, I personally believe it's going to take divine grace to get us out of this mess for real.

KCBOSS1
08-30-2010, 08:45 PM
Anybody who keeps a checkbook knows that you can't have more money going out than coming in and neither Bush or Obama figured that out.

notorious
08-30-2010, 08:47 PM
I can see that. But I'm a pretty heavy spiritual guy, so that stuff rings true with me personally. I can see how that would get annoying to people who would prefer it stay more conservative issue. However, I personally believe it's going to take divine grace to get us out of this mess for real.


I am not a religious man, but I appreciate the attributes that he promotes.

Garcia Bronco
08-30-2010, 09:01 PM
You know Washington took Hamilton's side against Jefferson just about every time, was strongly in favor of the Constitution over the Articles of Confederation, and led an army to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion, right?

The more you know about George, the more you'll realize that he is definitely not a hero for the politics you preach.

But a hero none-the-less.

Frankie
08-30-2010, 09:20 PM
You're loonier than the neo-loon herself.

22 posts. :hmmm: You are not the new incarnation of Tommy Cash are you?

Frankie
08-30-2010, 09:24 PM
I am not a religious man, but I appreciate the attributes that he promotes.

Examples please.

Bewbies
08-30-2010, 09:29 PM
22 posts. :hmmm: You are not the new incarnation of Tommy Cash are you?

Who's that?

I don't know how anyone could read what you wrote and come up with any other conclusion than I wrote.

Bewbies
08-30-2010, 09:30 PM
You're a neo-loony. ROFL

Cause you got nuthin!

That's neo-not-nice of you to say.

notorious
08-30-2010, 09:32 PM
From my earlier post.

Examples please.

Taking personal responsibility.

Holding the people in office accountable.


He isn't a Pub or a Dem, in fact he tears both sides apart with equal ferocity.


He is one of the few people on talk radio that backs up what he says with ACTUAL audio recordings.

I listen to Sirius Left along with Rush and Beck, and yes Beck comes across as ****ing crazy a lot, but he also has good points just like Sirius Left does if you wade past the bullshit.

patteeu
08-30-2010, 11:14 PM
It is a lie.

The government changed it's terms of use after that so they must have thought there was something unclear or wrong about them. I suspect that this was just an over-reaction based on confusing wording and a lack of understanding rather than a real lie, but it's impossible to know for sure one way or the other.

Brock
08-31-2010, 12:06 AM
The government changed it's terms of use after that so they must have thought there was something unclear or wrong about them. I suspect that this was just an over-reaction based on confusing wording and a lack of understanding rather than a real lie, but it's impossible to know for sure one way or the other.

Okay, it was either a lie or an embarrassingly stupid overreaction. Neither makes me think positively about Beck.

|Zach|
08-31-2010, 12:20 AM
I don't think Beck is a bad guy. I think he is fake and sensationalist. With the goldline stuff, the ridiculous healthcare flip flopping, and feeling he is doing some kind of service to "educate" people. The only service being done by taking huge multi layered complicated issues and whittling them down to being as simple 1+1=2 is to the narrative Beck and Fox News are trying to create. That isn't even getting into the game where the "news" half drums up sensational red meat for the opinion half to eat up.

Even with all of his ridiculousness based on the only article I have read about this event it doesn't seem to be a bad thing in the least.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/glenn-beck-comes-to-town/62198/

Glenn Beck held a massive rally at the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, with hundreds of thousands* of people--ralliers themselves will tell you over a million--packed in around the Reflecting Pool and spilling over into adjacent fields, sitting on the ledges of the World War II Memorial, shouted away from their perches by monument volunteers, and watching jumbotrons from as far away as the Washington monument--all there to witness Beck's powerful gusts of idea and prayer on the 47th anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech.

Surprisingly, Beck's rally wasn't a political event.

The last time this many Tea Partiers could be found anywhere near the Mall, it was March, when congressional Democrats were hammering out a health-care compromise. Thousands of protesters shook their signs at the Capitol from all sides, chanting periodically about the health care bill and Nancy Pelosi and how Congress wouldn't listen to them. It was the same day the N-word was allegedly--people dispute this--hurled at black members of Congress. The atmosphere was thick with victimized rage.

Saturday's rally was...different.

I got there around 9:15 a.m., and the place was politically charged, to be sure. DC Metro trains were packed with Beck and Sarah Palin fans heading into the city from far-away hotels at the last stops on the Metro system, where rally-goers had booked rooms at much cheaper rates. People milled about excitedly, having come from all over the country in t-shirts sold by Beck online. Tea Partiers are usually eager to share their views, and this morning they did so in full force.

"Want to know why I'm here?" asked a the first person I talked to--Nick, a 61-year-old retired nurse anesthetist from Sidell, LA in a rally-themed t-shirt--in the line for a port-a-potty off the Mall. Sure, I said. "As Popeye would say, that's alls I can stand and I can't stand no more." What couldn't he stand? "We've got czars running everything." And health care reform. "It was unconstitutional, for one thing."

Cheri, a 52-year-old retired teacher, had come from Oklahoma (26 hours by bus, no stop-over) with a handful of blue-t-shirted members of the Leflore City Tea Party. Her group has incorporated prayer into their meetings, and she describes them as "concerned Christians." President Obama: not so much. Cheri believes, emphatically, that Obama is a Muslim. "Just look at all the things he's done," she tells me, when I ask. "He's not for our God--whose God is he for?"

"I don't believe in peaceful Muslims," she says. "Before you know it, we're gonna be overwhelmed by Muslims."

I probe for reasons, and she cites Obama's address to a gathering in honor of Ramadan at the White House--the one where he seemingly endorsed the Ground Zero mosque. I ask about Cheri's views on climate change, as another lady, of the same group, pokes her finger at my notebook, telling me to "print that!" and not to lie about the event. They don't believe in climate change. A few hundred yards away, closer to the Lincoln Memorial, a "USA!" chant breaks out.

(I only asked a small handful of people whether they think Obama is Muslim--maybe six. Opinions were about 50/50, and I got some well-reasoned answers to the negative, including a 56-year-old, unemployed Catholic named Mike who hails from Raleigh--formerly New Jersey--and who wouldn't mind the least bit if Obama was Muslim.)

If anything, this rally exploded the notion that the Tea Party is divorced from religious sentiment and social conservatism--as hard as it tries to be--and made plain the truth that Glenn Beck holds those two worlds together in a charismatic nexus.

There were no signs being waved by Tea Partiers or Beck supporters. At all. Beck had asked that no one bring political signs to this event, and everyone abided. I didn't see one the entire time, walking around the cirumference of the Reflecting Pool as the event began, or milling about during. A few carried flags bearing "Don't Tread on Me" insignia. But that was it. The only signs present were held by liberal opponents of the whole event.

Beck comes on stage around 10 a.m., when the rally is scheduled to start, to applause. He doesn't say anything about President Obama, progressives, the health care law, czars, or anything else having to do with politics or government. He doesn't say anything about government or politics the entire day. The word "Obama" never passes his lips.

"What is it that America still believes in?" Beck asks in his opening remarks. His answer: "our military." Beck has put this event on to raise awareness and benefit the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a veterans' charity. The rally is heavy on two distinct things: support for veterans, and religion. Beck emcees and introduces his various speakers--mostly faith leaders and family members of veterans.

Not long into it, Beck introduces Sarah Palin, and he explains that it's not going to be political (if it's possible to have a Palin speech not be political). He introduces her not as a political figure, but as "the mother of someone in the military."

And Palin stays away from politics, too. The most political thing said on stage all day, in my estimation, was her line: we must not fundamentally transform America as some would want. We must restore America and her honor."

The phrase "as some would want," we can probably assume, was a reference to the president. But that's as political as she gets. She spends much of her time introducing and telling the stories a few veterans who walk across the Lincoln Memorial steps, hug her, and then leave the stage. Reading from a sheet of paper as she details their stories, Palin looks quite the opposite from the free-form Beck, who wanders the stage with a headset, gesturing with his hands, improvising most of the way. Her speech, in its entirety, is about support for the military and the restoration of America.

Which is Beck's theme for the event. Its official title is "Restoring Honor." T-shirts in the crowd bear the "Restoring Honor" insignia--a Shepard Fairey-style drawing of the Lincoln Memorial with those two words in big, block print. The three sub-themes are "Faith, Hope, Charity."

"At this crossroads of our history, let this day be the change point," Palin says. "Look around you. You are not alone, you are Americans!" Applause.

When Palin leaves the stage after delivering such generalities about American honor and restoration, the politically charged atmosphere dies down palpably. By that time, people have been out in the sun for a few hours. It's not that hot--86 degrees--but hot enough to put everyone in a soporific daze.

A gospel singer takes the stage. Everyone is lulled out of politics, and that's how it remains for the rest of the day.

Everything Glenn Beck says during the rally has to do with the discovery of faith, American history, or some connection between the two. He lists more American historical figures than it's possible to count. He tells the crowd to discover faith. He tells them the future of America rests on their personal discoveries of faith, and on the nation's collective discovery of faith.

It's a history-driven narrative about personal redemption, religion, and American identity. And that's why people like it. "He's a historian," one man tells me when I ask about Beck's appeal.

"God is not done with you yet, and he is not done with man's freedom yet," Beck tells the audience at one point.

A recovering alcoholic, Beck applies a moment-of-clarity, will-surrendering ethos of rehab and religious discovery to everything he touches, including politics on his TV show. It's all an epiphany--and it's all forceful and immediate. America is falling apart, and it needs to be saved. Beck is a level five hurricane of gnostic dualities, and his faith and life experiences seem to inform that worldview heavily.

"Find out what you truly believe," Beck implores the crowd. "When the storm comes up and your ship is being tossed, you gotta rely on something."

Beck has a penchant for history--telling it, writing it, and being a part of it. At one point, he tells the crowd that the hotel he's staying in is the same one where Martin Luther King, Jr. finished the "I have a dream" speech, and that it's also the same hotel where the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" was written.

"It was George Whitefield in 1740," Beck says--referencing one of dozens of American historical figures, some quite obscure, some well known, that he references during his time on stage. "It was his words that inspired an American generation...they were children at the time, but they grew up to be John Adams...Thomas Jefferson."

"It happens the same way, it has since the Burning Bush. Moses. Freedom. And then they forget. They wander 'til they remember that God is the answer. He always has been. And then they begin to trust."

The founding fathers, faith, God, Biblical figures, and the transposition of Old Testament journeys onto the American story. This is what Glenn Beck is.

The massive gathering today was more like a Christian rock concert, or an evangelical mass-prayer meeting, than a political rally. In fact, a solid portion of it literally did consist of those two things: there was prayer, Becks calls for reflection on faith, and a string of gospel singers interspersed with speeches by faith leaders. Between speakers, a wall of sparkling piano and tinkling bells would smack into the crowd, while a deep, booming voice came on through the PA and images flashed on the jumbo-trons. "FAITH," the voice would say. Or: "Man has always searched for a better way, a grander expression," as a photo of the Wright brothers' plane flashes on-screen.

Beck explained how his the rally came about, as a concept.

"When I put this together in my head, I felt it was supposed to be political," Beck says. He recalls a rally in Florida where 25,000 people showed up. "I broke out in a cold sweat," Beck tells the audience. "I grabbed my assistant by the lapels and I pulled him in close and I screamed in his ear, 'I don't know how, but we're wrong!'"

The theme of Faith, Hope, and Charity came to him over the holidays, he says. He brought it to his collaborators. Beck says he told them: "I don't know...I don't understand it either, but this is where we're going."

(Also, the rally couldn't have been political, due to the tax-exempt status of Beck's veterans' charity.)

The people at the rally were mostly reverent--that was the best word I heard to describe the them and their tone. Reverent and nice. Not a lot of litter. The crowd prided itself on that. The people I talked to like Beck because he "tells the truth," and expresses what's on their minds. Many of them came fully expecting the dominant religiosity of the experience, and, while Beck is a Mormon, his message is resonating with Christians of many denominations.

The crowd is nearly all white, and I spot only five black people in the audience the entire time. One, a middle-aged man from St. Louis, is carrying a sign attacking Tony LaRussa and Albert Pujols for being there. They not only attended, but took the stage--LaRussa introduced Pujols, and Pujols received a medal from Beck for "Charity," delivering a short acceptance speech about his faith. Another is there to help his nephew with a civics-class project. He says he likes Glenn Beck. Another, a 29-year-old DC resident who just finished a graduate degree, is there to protest. She says, "I see them come to our city, and even though I disagree with them, I tell them, please, shop in our city."

I follow the St. Louisan around for a bit, and people take offense at his sign--which refers to "rednecks" and calls Palin a "nut."

"That's not a very nice thing to say!" one lady says, raising her voice. "You'd better put that away," a man says.

"No, I'd better not put it away," the St. Louisian says, smiling, telling people that Palin is divisive and he just wants people to "stop dividing." He remains cordial. One man tells him he doesn't belong there. "This is America," he replies, smiling. "I'm an American." Most of the criticism he endures comes from Beck supporters who are smiling too, and laughing, but in anger. Things stay civil for the most part.

Beck's message isn't resonating with everyone. As I walk to the press tent, Beck references, "the man with the stick and the burning bush." From the direction of a golf cart where two event set-up guys are sitting, I hear someone say: "Stick in the bush." Not in a way that indicates an appreciation.

But nearly everyone I talk to loves Beck for the same reason: his expression of something they feel is true. "He's a voice for what's in our hearts. He's speaking our minds," says Mike from Raleigh. "He's giving us a voice."

"He's willing to stand up and say things that people don't want to hear," says Timberly, a 24-year old who came in from Richmond.

The rally is beginning to take its toll on the Beck faithful. A middle-aged man with gray chest hair curling from his nearly half-unbuttoned shirt is talking to a cop along a barricade. He's about 15 yards from some restrooms. The sun is beating down on them.

"You have to go around," the cop says, pointing in a circular motion.

"Can I go to the bathroom?" the man asks, exasperated.

"If you go around..." the cop points again.

On stage, Beck is still oscillating between faith and history. He lands on history.

"I've been waiting for the next George Washington," Beck says, laughing, almost crying, in near-hysterical urgency. "He might be eight years old, but this is the moment that he dedicates his life..."

At the end of it, Beck tells a story about how Amazing Grace was written by the captain of a slave ship, after (returning to this theme) a storm at sea, during which he threw his fate on God's mercy.

A bagpipe player emerges from the side of the Lincoln steps. Eight more follow, and some audience members begin to sing. Beck does too, faintly, clearly uncomfortable singing into a microphone. A professional singer comes on and takes up the tune. Beck has invited all the speakers back to the steps and they stand, solemnly, behind him. He thanks everyone, and says, "May God bless you."

The rally is over.

Hundreds of thousands of people move away slowly, in a tired, huddled mass.

BIG_DADDY
08-31-2010, 01:00 AM
This has a lot more to do with the discontent of the masses over our present path than it has to do with Beck. Hurl rocks at him all you want, this would be a very small gathering if people were not majorly upset at what's going on in Washington right now.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2010, 06:21 AM
But a hero none-the-less.

:thumb: He sure was!

notorious
08-31-2010, 08:19 AM
This has a lot more to do with the discontent of the masses over our present path than it has to do with Beck. Hurl rocks at him all you want, this would be a very small gathering if people were not majorly upset at what's going on in Washington right now.


You are absolutely right.



BUT, Beck has been a pretty big contributor in conveying what has been happening in Washington. He deserves some credit for that.

The Mad Crapper
08-31-2010, 08:21 AM
I love how AP and Al Reuters skewer their coverage on this by giving equal time to Al Sharpton--- who had like, 300 people at his rally. ROFL

And I bet 290 of them were bussed in.

Baby Lee
08-31-2010, 08:56 AM
I love how AP and Al Reuters skewer their coverage on this by giving equal time to Al Sharpton--- who had like, 300 people at his rally. ROFL

And I bet 290 of them were bussed in.

Or were there bearing Arne Duncan's permission slip.

vailpass
08-31-2010, 12:20 PM
I love how AP and Al Reuters skewer their coverage on this by giving equal time to Al Sharpton--- who had like, 300 people at his rally. ROFL

And I bet 290 of them were bussed in.

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BIG_DADDY
08-31-2010, 12:34 PM
I love how AP and Al Reuters skewer their coverage on this by giving equal time to Al Sharpton--- who had like, 300 people at his rally. ROFL

And I bet 290 of them were bussed in.

The media is about to turn on him too, they don't have much of a choice.

Lzen
08-31-2010, 02:10 PM
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/videos/?uri=channels/390088/1013208

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The Mad Crapper
08-31-2010, 03:36 PM
The media is about to turn on him too, they don't have much of a choice.

Even them?

http://www.moonbattery.com/obama-media.jpg

Ugly Duck
09-01-2010, 01:13 AM
Still looking for a good coverage of it but sounds like it was huge.

The aerial photo estimates are in.....

CBS News: Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000

An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

BIG_DADDY
09-01-2010, 01:23 AM
The aerial photo estimates are in.....

CBS News: Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000

An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

Those people were with Reverend Sharpton you right wing fanatics, STFU

Calcountry
09-01-2010, 07:53 AM
Ron Paul couldn't attract 500,00 people with free beer and hookers...ROFL

Stinger
09-01-2010, 08:08 AM
I missed this little blurb....

Education secretary urged his employees to attend Sharpton's rally
By: Lisa Gartner

Examiner Staff Writer
August 30, 2010

A Department of Education e-mail sent Wednesday encouraged workers to join Education Secretary Arne Duncan, above, at a rally led by the Rev. Al Sharpton. (AP file photo)

President Obama's top education official urged government employees to attend a rally that the Rev. Al Sharpton organized to counter a larger conservative event on the Mall.

"ED staff are invited to join Secretary Arne Duncan, the Reverend Al Sharpton, and other leaders on Saturday, Aug. 28, for the 'Reclaim the Dream' rally and march," began an internal e-mail sent to more than 4,000 employees of the Department of Education on Wednesday.

Sharpton created the event after Glenn Beck announced a massive Tea Party "Restoring Honor" rally at the Lincoln Memorial, where King spoke in 1963.

The Washington Examiner learned of the e-mail from a Department of Education employee who felt uncomfortable with Duncan's request.

Although the e-mail does not violate the Hatch Act, which forbids federal employees from participating in political campaigns, Education Department workers should feel uneasy, said David Boaz, executive vice president of the libertarian Cato Institute.

"It sends a signal that activity on behalf of one side of a political debate is expected within a department. It's highly inappropriate ... even in the absence of a direct threat," Boaz said. "If we think of a Bush cabinet official sending an e-mail to civil servants asking them to attend a Glenn Beck rally, there would be a lot of outrage over that."

Russ Whitehurst, director of the liberal-leaning Brookings Institution's Brown Center of Education Policy, said nothing like this happened when he was a Department of Education program director from 2001 to 2008: "Only political appointees would have been made aware of such an event and encouraged to attend."

Officially, Sharpton's event commemorated the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech.

"[Conservatives] think we showed up [to vote for Barack Obama] in 2008 and that we won't show up again. But we know how to sucker-punch, and we're coming out again in 2010," Sharpton said.

Obama avoided comment on Saturday's dueling rallies, but Duncan took the podium alongside Sharpton and 30 other speakers on the football field of Dunbar High School. Thousands of mostly blacks listened -- and a lone man booed -- as Duncan called education "the civil rights issue of our generation."

"Educators, we have to stop thinking of [poor-performing children] as other people's children," he said.

Speakers at the Sharpton rally praised Obama and took jabs at the Tea Party.

"Dr. King gave us a miracle in 2008. He gave us the first African-American president, and we must let them know today that we support [Obama]," said John Boyd, Jr., president of the National Black Farmers Association.

D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton said Beck's rally "would change nothing. ... We will move right over you."

Education Department spokeswoman Sandra Abrevaya defended Duncan's decision. "This was a back-to-school event," she said.

Duncan was chief executive officer of Chicago Public Schools for seven years before Obama nominated him in December 2008.

lgartner@washingtonexaminer.com

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Education-secretary-urged-his-employees-to-go-to-Sharpton_s-rally-651280-101839293.html

BucEyedPea
09-01-2010, 08:09 AM
ROFL
From Post #72
Most are tired of your religious war.


A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama

Frankie
09-01-2010, 02:53 PM
The aerial photo estimates are in.....

CBS News: Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000

And I wonder how many of them simply folks out in the street who stopped for the commotion?

InChiefsHell
09-01-2010, 03:19 PM
And I wonder how many of them simply folks out in the street who stopped for the commotion?

:spock:

BIG_DADDY
09-01-2010, 03:22 PM
:spock:

Bhagdad Bob has nothing on this guy. ROFLROFLROFL

InChiefsHell
09-01-2010, 03:27 PM
IT's like the million man march...nobody knows how many people were really there. 87k is way to few, but 500k is probably too high. It's somewhere in the middle...but it's definitely over 100k.

InChiefsHell
09-01-2010, 03:28 PM
Bhagdad Bob has nothing on this guy. ROFLROFLROFL

No shit. The whole city is practically shut down, but maybe some people, out for a morning walk after breakfast at McDonalds, were curious about the crowds and thought "Hey, what's going on here? Perhaps I'll wander in to find out..."

Frankie
09-01-2010, 06:23 PM
:spock:

You really don't think whenever there's a large crowd somewhere, there's an additional crowd of the curious added?! Really?

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-01-2010, 06:28 PM
http://poppypundit.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tea-party-protests.jpg

Ugly Duck
09-01-2010, 08:36 PM
And I wonder how many of them simply folks out in the street who stopped for the commotion?

Even with them counted, the professional aerial photo headcounters came up with an estimate of 87K is way below Beck's claim of "At least 300,000 - probably 650,000"... or Bachman's 1,000,000. So do we believe the partisan hacks with vested interest in inflating the count, or do we go with the professional company who livelihood depends on being as accurate as possible? Hmmmm... which one...

Frankie
09-01-2010, 09:55 PM
Even with them counted, the professional aerial photo headcounters came up with an estimate of 87K is way below Beck's claim of "At least 300,000 - probably 650,000"... or Bachman's 1,000,000. So do we believe the partisan hacks with vested interest in inflating the count, or do we go with the professional company who livelihood depends on being as accurate as possible? Hmmmm... which one...
Don't confuse the resident RWNJs here with empirical/scientific process. They are perfectly happy swallowing the sh..tuff that their crazy ideologues chew and feed them with.

stevieray
09-01-2010, 10:05 PM
awwwww...keep crying.

BIG_DADDY
09-01-2010, 10:27 PM
Even with them counted, the professional aerial photo headcounters came up with an estimate of 87K is way below Beck's claim of "At least 300,000 - probably 650,000"... or Bachman's 1,000,000. So do we believe the partisan hacks with vested interest in inflating the count, or do we go with the professional company who livelihood depends on being as accurate as possible? Hmmmm... which one...

Don't confuse the resident RWNJs here with empirical/scientific process. They are perfectly happy swallowing the sh..tuff that their crazy ideologues chew and feed them with.

You guys make a cute couple with your cap guns and nunchucks and the whole getup. Ever consider going steady?

BIG_DADDY
09-01-2010, 10:50 PM
http://poppypundit.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tea-party-protests.jpg

Great pic of Frankie dog. That is fucking hysterical. ROFL

DaneMcCloud
09-01-2010, 10:52 PM
Oh, I agree 100%, but you have to admit, the group that's in there right now, has raised the bar to a new level of WTF.

That's why every incumbent, regardless of party, needs to be voted out of office in Washington.

It's like a gigantic bukakke fest, except the jizz is our money.

BIG_DADDY
09-01-2010, 10:56 PM
That's why every incumbent, regardless of party, needs to be voted out of office in Washington.

It's like a gigantic bukakke fest, except the jizz is our money.

Have you been on lubetube AGAIN Dane?:doh!:

Guru
09-02-2010, 12:54 AM
That's why every incumbent, regardless of party, needs to be voted out of office in Washington.

It's like a gigantic bukakke fest, except the jizz is our money.Man that would be nice.

The Mad Crapper
09-02-2010, 07:55 AM
Don't confuse the resident RWNJs here with empirical/scientific process. They are perfectly happy swallowing the sh..tuff that their crazy ideologues chew and feed them with.

More projection from a mouth foaming moonbat.

ROFL

BucEyedPea
09-02-2010, 08:11 AM
That's why every incumbent, regardless of party, needs to be voted out of office in Washington.

It's like a gigantic bukakke fest, except the jizz is our money.

Except for a small handful. One has said no to all that stuff.

The Mad Crapper
09-02-2010, 08:32 AM
On August 28, 2010 we joined other progressive reporters who infiltrated Glenn Beck's rally in Washington in order to observe, take compromising pictures, and manufacture a plausible Current Truth, so that our sophisticated readers would know what to think.

Like many media organs, we had reserved a template page for the most ridiculous protest signs. All we needed was to photograph those signs and fill in the blanks to match our pre-approved hilarious captions. But the untrustworthy Beck preempted our planning by forbidding all signs. It forced us to revise our talking points. The new and improved Current Truth states: the lack of hand-written signs means that the rally lacked a discernible message. It can also mean that none of Beck's followers can read or write, and that these illiterate home-schoolers have never mastered the essential skills of holding a crayon or finger-painting.

CONT:

http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/glenn-beck-rally-vs-al-sharpton-rally-in-washington-t5943.html

BucEyedPea
09-02-2010, 08:42 AM
With Martin Luther's picture on it? The Ron Paul Newsletters were accurate Luther was for Marxism.
There is no right to a job. That's communism. Therefore their dream is communism.

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/events/2010.8.28.Glenn_Beck_DC/Sharpton_Counter_15.jpg

Frankie
09-16-2010, 06:10 PM
I have been distracted by football.

Has honor been restored yet?

vailpass
09-16-2010, 06:39 PM
I have been distracted by football.

Has honor been restored yet?

I don't know but you better call home while you can. Sounds like iran is leaving the civilzed world fewer and fewer choices due to their nuclear misbehaving.

Frankie
09-16-2010, 08:12 PM
I don't know but you better call home while you can. Sounds like iran is leaving the civilzed world fewer and fewer choices due to their nuclear misbehaving.

Last I heard we are the only country with an actual "nuclear misbehaving" in our record. Does "Hiroshima" sound familiar? But let me ask again: Has honor been restored here?

patteeu
09-16-2010, 09:33 PM
Last I heard we are the only country with an actual "nuclear misbehaving" in our record. Does "Hiroshima" sound familiar? But let me ask again: Has honor been restored here?

Maybe you'd be more comfortable in Iran, Frankie. I hate to think of the anguish you go through every day, having to live in the country that ended World War II with an American-life-saving bang.

Frankie
09-16-2010, 10:20 PM
Maybe you'd be more comfortable in Iran, Frankie. I hate to think of the anguish you go through every day, having to live in the country that ended World War II with an American-life-saving bang.

Pat you missed the point AGAIN.

1- Vailpass's reply had nothing to do with my post.
(= stupid)

2- It was insinuating something that I do not approve at all and trying to make it sound like I did.
(= dishonest deflection)

So, I just gave him back a bit of his own medicine while reminding him that in the eyes of the world WE better shut up about using "Nuclear misbehaving" as a comeback.

'tsall.

stevieray
09-16-2010, 10:23 PM
Maybe you'd be more comfortable in Iran, Frankie. I hate to think of the anguish you go through every day, having to live in the country that ended World War II with an American-life-saving bang.


..and I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling charlatans!

patteeu
09-16-2010, 11:03 PM
So, I just gave him back a bit of his own medicine while reminding him that in the eyes of the world WE better shut up about using "Nuclear misbehaving" as a comeback.

'tsall.

That you see any value in that reminder is the point *I* was addressing. It's meritless and it provides absolutely no reason why we'd "better shut up" about Iranian provocations.

Frankie
09-17-2010, 11:35 AM
That you see any value in that reminder is the point *I* was addressing. It's meritless and it provides absolutely no reason why we'd "better shut up" about Iranian provocations.

Pat, I like you but you have a habit of just saying what you wanna say without even trying to understand someone's post.

vailpass
09-17-2010, 01:09 PM
Last I heard we are the only country with an actual "nuclear misbehaving" in our record. Does "Hiroshima" sound familiar? But let me ask again: Has honor been restored here?

US nuclear=good
Iran nuclear=evil

How will it feel to see the Jews destroy your nuclear program?

Frankie
09-17-2010, 03:56 PM
US nuclear=good
Iran nuclear=evil

How will it feel to see the Jews destroy your nuclear program?

I don't know. Now tell me, has honor been restored yet?

Frankie
09-17-2010, 03:57 PM
Jon Stewart will hold a march to DC to "Restore Sanity." :thumb:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/09/17/jon-stewart-rally-to-restore-sanity?icid=main%7Ccompaq-desktop%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%7C171158

Chief Henry
09-17-2010, 04:05 PM
I can't wait until Novembers elections.

Frankie
09-17-2010, 04:16 PM
I can't wait until Novembers elections.

Is that when honor is gonna be restored?

InChiefsHell
09-17-2010, 04:20 PM
Is that when honor is gonna be restored?

It'll be a step closer. It's a process, see. This country has been slowly wrecking itself for the last 40 years or so. It takes time for honor to be restored. Just sit and watch.

InChiefsHell
09-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Jon Stewart will hold a march to DC to "Restore Sanity." :thumb:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/09/17/jon-stewart-rally-to-restore-sanity?icid=main%7Ccompaq-desktop%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%7C171158
He's a hoot ain't he.:rolleyes:

Baby Lee
09-17-2010, 04:30 PM
I have been distracted by football.

Has honor been restored yet?
.
Trying to make our country better is too much to ask of me.

Snarking on those who do is more my speed

Frankie
09-17-2010, 05:09 PM
It'll be a step closer. It's a process, see. This country has been slowly wrecking itself for the last 40 years or so. It takes time for honor to be restored. Just sit and watch.

I'll watch. I remember I watched when George Bush promised in 2000 to restore honor to the WH.

Frankie
09-17-2010, 05:10 PM
He's a hoot ain't he.:rolleyes:

Way better comedian than Beck.

The Mad Crapper
09-17-2010, 05:12 PM
Is that when honor is gonna be restored?

:deevee:

patteeu
09-17-2010, 06:42 PM
I don't know. Now tell me, has honor been restored yet?

Hopefully we'll have it substantially restored by November 2012.

Frankie
09-17-2010, 09:24 PM
Hopefully we'll have it substantially restored by November 2012.

Just like 2000. :thumb:

patteeu
09-17-2010, 09:55 PM
Just like 2000. :thumb:

Yes. I didn't vote for him at the time, but I was confident at the time that GWBush and Dick Cheney would bring respectability back to the White House after the Clinton party years and I was right.

Frankie
09-17-2010, 10:31 PM
Yes. I didn't vote for him at the time, but I was confident at the time that GWBush and Dick Cheney would bring respectability back to the White House after the Clinton party years and I was right.

WOW!!! Pat, I know confronting me is one of your favorite CP passtimes. But you don't have to go to this length just to do it. Just WOW!