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mlyonsd
08-31-2010, 02:26 PM
Record number in government anti-poverty programs
By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON Government anti-poverty programs that have grown to meet the needs of recession victims now serve a record one in six Americans and are continuing to expand.

More than 50 million Americans are on Medicaid, the federal-state program aimed principally at the poor, a survey of state data by USA TODAY shows. That's up at least 17% since the recession began in December 2007.

"Virtually every Medicaid director in the country would say that their current enrollment is the highest on record," says Vernon Smith (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Vernon+L.+Smith) of Health Management Associates, which surveys states for Kaiser Family Foundation (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Non-profits,+Activist+Groups/Henry+J.+Kaiser+Family+Foundation).

The program has grown even before the new health care law adds about 16 million people, beginning in 2014. That has strained doctors. "Private physicians are already indicating that they're at their limit," says Dan Hawkins (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Sports+Coaches,+Team+Owners,+Execs,+Officials/NCAA/Dan+Hawkins) of the National Association of Community Health Centers.


More than 40 million people get food stamps, an increase of nearly 50% during the economic downturn, according to government data through May. The program has grown steadily for three years.

Caseloads have risen as more people become eligible. The economic stimulus law signed by President Obama last year also boosted benefits.
"This program has proven to be incredibly responsive and effective," says Ellin Vollinger of the Food Research and Action Center.

Close to 10 million receive unemployment insurance, nearly four times the number from 2007. Benefits have been extended by Congress eight times beyond the basic 26-week program, enabling the long-term unemployed to get up to 99 weeks of benefits. Caseloads peaked at nearly 12 million in January "the highest numbers on record," says Christine Riordan of the National Employment Law Project, which advocates for low-wage workers.

More than 4.4 million people are on welfare, an 18% increase during the recession. The program has grown slower than others, causing Brookings Institution (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Non-profits,+Activist+Groups/Brookings+Institution) expert Ron Haskins to question its effectiveness in the recession.

As caseloads for all the programs have soared, so have costs. The federal price tag for Medicaid has jumped 36% in two years, to $273 billion.

Jobless benefits have soared from $43 billion to $160 billion. The food stamps program has risen 80%, to $70 billion. Welfare is up 24%, to $22 billion. Taken together, they cost more than Medicare.

The steady climb in safety-net program caseloads and costs has come as a result of two factors: The recession has boosted the number who qualify under existing rules. And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.

Conservatives (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Conservative+Party) fear expanded safety-net programs won't contract after the economy recovers. "They're much harder to unwind in the long term," says Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Non-profits,+Activist+Groups/Cato+Institute), a libertarian think tank.

Other anti-poverty experts say the record caseloads are a necessary response to economic hardship. "We should be there to support people when the economy can't," says LaDonna Pavetti of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Non-profits,+Activist+Groups/Center+on+Budget+and+Policy+Priorities), a liberal-leaning think tank.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-08-30-1Asafetynet30_ST_N.htm

Rain Man
08-31-2010, 02:30 PM
Only 83 percent to go, and then we're in Obamatopia.

Brock
08-31-2010, 02:32 PM
Anybody know anything about disability fraud? I'm getting tired of pulling the cart and would like to make the transition to rider ASAP.

BIG_DADDY
08-31-2010, 02:34 PM
It's called buying the vote with your money.

blaise
08-31-2010, 02:39 PM
Let no American be without as long as others have jobs.

Detoxing
08-31-2010, 02:41 PM
40 Million people get food stamps? WTF!

Im poor and struggling to make ends meet and I can't get shit!

How the fuck do 40 million people scam "the man"?

Please, tell me the secret, because if the guberment is handing out free food to just anyone, then they need to throw a bone my way.

Motherfuckers.

vailpass
08-31-2010, 05:11 PM
Cut those programs down to the bare bones NOW. Those who are physically or mentally unable to work, fine, help them out.
Every single one of the rest of them should be given 8 week's notice then cut off cold turkey.
Sink or swim, everyone swims.

Stewie
08-31-2010, 05:14 PM
Where's the incentive? In Kansas you get ~$465/week in unemployment that is enhanced by the Federal Gov't and for 99 weeks. That's about $12/hour for doing nothing. You'd be stupid for taking a job for less than $15/hour.

go bowe
08-31-2010, 05:15 PM
Anybody know anything about disability fraud? I'm getting tired of pulling the cart and would like to make the transition to rider ASAP.which type of disability benefits are you talking about?

fraud with respect to social security benefits can be reported to the social security administration but it's hard to identify the offender because they go by social security number which you are unlikely to have...

it's still worth reporting though...

BIG_DADDY
08-31-2010, 05:16 PM
Where's the incentive? In Kansas you get ~$465/week in unemployment that is enhanced by the Federal Gov't and for 99 weeks. That's about $12/hour for doing nothing. You'd be stupid for taking a job for less than $15/hour.

Obamaized and socialized.

go bowe
08-31-2010, 05:18 PM
Where's the incentive? In Kansas you get ~$465/week in unemployment that is enhanced by the Federal Gov't and for 99 weeks. That's about $12/hour for doing nothing. You'd be stupid for taking a job for less than $15/hour.this...

vailpass
08-31-2010, 05:19 PM
Where's the incentive? In Kansas you get ~$465/week in unemployment that is enhanced by the Federal Gov't and for 99 weeks. That's about $12/hour for doing nothing. You'd be stupid for taking a job for less than $15/hour.

Oh man.

KC Dan
08-31-2010, 05:21 PM
Oh man.
$570/wk here in Washington. ridiculous

vailpass
08-31-2010, 05:31 PM
$570/wk here in Washington. ridiculous

The duration needs to be cut back. 99 weeks? WTF?

Stewie
08-31-2010, 05:32 PM
I must add that Kansas Unemployment Insurance funds have run out and are funded by the Federal Gov't. I think that's the case in most states. Nom nom nom at the teet of socialism.

vailpass
08-31-2010, 05:33 PM
I must add that Kansas Unemployment Insurance funds have run out and is funded by the Federal Gov't. I think that's the case in most states. Nom nom nom at the teet of socialism.

At some point the govt. cheese needs to be cut off and a man needs to take what work he can get.

Brock
08-31-2010, 05:47 PM
which type of disability benefits are you talking about?

fraud with respect to social security benefits can be reported to the social security administration but it's hard to identify the offender because they go by social security number which you are unlikely to have...

it's still worth reporting though...

The kind that will pay me for staying home and not doing anything.

Detoxing
08-31-2010, 05:53 PM
$570/wk here in Washington. ridiculous

Damn. Anyone know what it is in California?

I need to lose my job and live off the government. Sounds like it's the way to go. If I do, I'll report back you.

KC Dan
08-31-2010, 05:56 PM
Damn. Anyone know what it is in California?

I need to lose my job and live off the government. Sounds like it's the way to go. If I do, I'll report back you.
In cali, max is $450/wk

Detoxing
08-31-2010, 06:03 PM
In cali, max is $450/wk

I may have told this story here already, but everytime this topic comes up it pisses me off.

I know a girl who was a medical assistant. She got laid off.

For the past 6 months now, she has been living off of unemployment and welfair. Not even attempting to find a job. She is literally becoming obese as she sits on her, what was once healthy, ass and does nothing all day but collect checks.

She gets around by borrowing her meat head Marine boyfriends car and stuffs her now fat face.

It pisses me off to no end.

She can work. She's qualified (I Guess, after all, she has worked in two different hospitals) and yet she does NOTHING.

Just sits around, collecting the cheese and getting fatter and fatter.

Un-fucking-believable.

vailpass
08-31-2010, 06:08 PM
I may have told this story here already, but everytime this topic comes up it pisses me off.

I know a girl who was a medical assistant. She got laid off.

For the past 6 months now, she has been living off of unemployment and welfair. Not even attempting to find a job. She is literally becoming obese as she sits on her, what was once healthy, ass and does nothing all day but collect checks.

She gets around by borrowing her meat head Marine boyfriends car and stuffs her now fat face.

It pisses me off to no end.

She can work. She's qualified (I Guess, after all, she has worked in two different hospitals) and yet she does NOTHING.

Just sits around, collecting the cheese and getting fatter and fatter.

Un-****ing-believable.


This is a perfect case for an 8 week notice to all not physically unable to work then cold-turkey cut off.

Bewbies
08-31-2010, 07:09 PM
I know a few people who have turned down jobs because they'd be making nearly the same as they make doing nothing. It's sick.

BIG_DADDY
08-31-2010, 07:16 PM
I may have told this story here already, but everytime this topic comes up it pisses me off.

I know a girl who was a medical assistant. She got laid off.

For the past 6 months now, she has been living off of unemployment and welfair. Not even attempting to find a job. She is literally becoming obese as she sits on her, what was once healthy, ass and does nothing all day but collect checks.

She gets around by borrowing her meat head Marine boyfriends car and stuffs her now fat face.

It pisses me off to no end.

She can work. She's qualified (I Guess, after all, she has worked in two different hospitals) and yet she does NOTHING.

Just sits around, collecting the cheese and getting fatter and fatter.

Un-****ing-believable.

Good thing Obama is going to give her free medical then.

munkey
08-31-2010, 07:22 PM
40 Million people get food stamps? WTF!

Im poor and struggling to make ends meet and I can't get shit!

How the **** do 40 million people scam "the man"?

Please, tell me the secret, because if the guberment is handing out free food to just anyone, then they need to throw a bone my way.

Mother****ers.


Your white...you have to be semi-retarded or fresh out of prison to get guberment cheese...

Dipshit...don't you know nothing?

prhom
08-31-2010, 09:33 PM
The duration needs to be cut back. 99 weeks? WTF?
two words: midterm elections

alanm
08-31-2010, 10:54 PM
40 Million people get food stamps? WTF!

Im poor and struggling to make ends meet and I can't get shit!

How the **** do 40 million people scam "the man"?

Please, tell me the secret, because if the guberment is handing out free food to just anyone, then they need to throw a bone my way.

Mother****ers. If you're a white male you're shit out of luck.

The Mad Crapper
09-01-2010, 06:59 AM
Anybody know anything about disability fraud? I'm getting tired of pulling the cart and would like to make the transition to rider ASAP.

NYC pays $42,000 a year. You don't even have to have a legitimate disability--- you can be overweight or depressed.

The Mad Crapper
09-01-2010, 07:00 AM
If you're a white male you're shit out of luck.

Well duh somebody has to pay for all of this.

:p

go bowe
09-02-2010, 09:35 PM
The kind that will pay me for staying home and not doing anything.it's not all that it's cracked up to be... :( :( :(

HonestChieffan
09-02-2010, 10:25 PM
redistribution

Otter
09-03-2010, 01:08 AM
Your white...you have to be semi-retarded or fresh out of prison to get guberment cheese...

Dipshit...don't you know nothing?

Actually, and I apologize if I'm mistaken, Detox is Hispanic.

Dude, I just payed off $20k in student loans a couple years ago from a attaining a BS degree in computer science and an AS in electronics and I'm competing with people who come over into our country through H1B visas that our government is handing out like candy during a double digit unemployment recession while I have three friends for every 1 HB1 visa who were born here looking for jobs while my tax dollars go to some ****ing dead beat pumping out kids and putting people in prison for years because they SMOKED A ****ING JOINT while illegal immigrants are allowed to flood the country taking every blue collar job they can get their hands on...you'll have to excuse a couple of us if we're a little upset with our cancerous government at the moment.

I've been trying to avoid DC but man, our government is so ****ed up right now.

Brock
09-03-2010, 08:45 AM
it's not all that it's cracked up to be... :( :( :(

ur doin it wrong

BucEyedPea
09-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Hiya Slainte!

Brock
09-03-2010, 09:27 AM
Did somebody say something?

Bob Dole
09-03-2010, 12:27 PM
I know a few people who have turned down jobs because they'd be making nearly the same as they make doing nothing. It's sick.

And this is the problem.

Our "safety net" no longer supplies people with only what they absolutely need to survive. Our "safety net" provides people with a lifestyle and diet superior to many of those who work for a living.

There is no disincentive to suckle at the government teet.

vailpass
09-03-2010, 12:36 PM
And this is the problem.

Our "safety net" no longer supplies people with only what they absolutely need to survive. Our "safety net" provides people with a lifestyle and diet superior to many of those who work for a living.

There is no disincentive to suckle at the government teet.

Truth

fan4ever
09-03-2010, 02:20 PM
An friend of mine was earning really good money a couple of years ago; in the mortgage business; making six figures easy. Like a lot of people, he should have stashed some money away but a number of bad investments devoured it all.

He's a college grad, and now working two part time jobs; both at under $10.00 an hour. I told him "This must really be demeaning for you" and he said "Not as demeaning as waiting in the unemployment line". Damn proud of him.

MOhillbilly
09-03-2010, 02:24 PM
i have a fat friend w/ two kids who doesnt work a job and gets 750$ a month in food stamps.

SEVENHUNDREDFUCKINFIFTYAMONTH!!!!!!!!!!