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Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 10:37 AM
Chiefs vs. Chargers: Depth Chart Has DJ, Belcher And Wiegmann On First Team

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The Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/kansas-city-chiefs) have released their first depth chart of the 2010 regular season.
Here are the highlights:


Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/78011/Jovan_Belcher) are on the first team
Casey Wiegmann (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2412/Casey_Wiegmann) is on the first team
Ryan O'Callaghan is not listed as injured any more and on the first team
Barry Richardson (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34483/Barry_Richardson) is backing up both offensive tackles

Here's the full depth chart:

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OFFENSE
WR: Chris Chambers (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2500/Chris_Chambers), Terrance Copper (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2008/Terrance_Copper), Jeremy Horne (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109483/Jeremy_Horne)
LT: Branden Albert, Barry Richardson (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34459/Branden_Albert)
Richardson is now backing up both offensive tackle positions.
LG: Brian Waters, Jon Asamoah (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2409/Brian_Waters)
C: Casey Wiegmann, Rudy Niswanger (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2389/Rudy_Niswanger)
For the first time, Wiegmann is listed on the first team.
RG: Ryan Lilja (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2806/Ryan_Lilja), Jon Asamoah (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/108511/Jon_Asamoah)
RT: Ryan O'Callaghan (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1694/Ryan_O), Barry Richardson
O'Callaghan is back in the driver's seat after being listed as injured the last two weeks.
TE: Leonard Pope (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1766/Leonard_Pope), Tony Moeaki (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/108522/Tony_Moeaki), Jake O'Connell (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/71425/Jake_O)
WR: Dwayne Bowe (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/18956/Dwayne_Bowe), Dexter McCluster (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109122/Dexter_McCluster)
QB: Matt Cassel (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1659/Matt_Cassel), Brodie Croyle (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2361/Brodie_Croyle)
FB: Tim Castille (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/16614/Tim_Castille), Mike Cox (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34466/Mike_Cox)
RB: Thomas Jones (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1243/Thomas_Jones), Jamaal Charles (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34464/Jamaal_Charles), Jackie Battle (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/71428/Javarris_Williams)

DEFENSE

LDE: Tyson Jackson (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/71422/Tyson_Jackson), Shaun Smith, Alex Magee (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/71424/Alex_Magee)
NT: Ron Edwards (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2363/Ron_Edwards), Anthony Toribio (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34910/Anthony_Toribio)
RDE: Glenn Dorsey (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34469/Glenn_Dorsey), Wallace Gilberry (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34822/Wallace_Gilberry)
LOLB: Mike Vrabel (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1709/Mike_Vrabel), Andy Studebaker (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34438/Andy_Studebaker)
LILB: Jovan Belcher, (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1687/Corey_Mays) Corey Mays (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1687/Corey_Mays), Justin Cole (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109479/Justin_Cole)
RILB: Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1194/Demorrio_Williams), Cory Greenwood (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/111351/Cory_Greenwood)
ROLB: Tamba Hali (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2371/Tamba_Hali),Cameron Sheffield (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109205/Cameron_Sheffield)
LCB: Brandon Flowers (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34470/Brandon_Flowers), Travis Daniels (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2504/Travis_Daniels), Jackie Bates (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/78010/Jackie_Bates)
RCB: Brandon Carr (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34463/Brandon_Carr), Javier Arenas (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/108685/Javier_Arenas)
SS: Eric Berry (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/108650/Eric_Berry), Donald Washington (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71427/Donald_Washington), Reshard Langford (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/71565/Reshard_Langford)
Washington makes an appearance at strong safety. He was listed at free safety last week.
FS: Jon McGraw (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/1486/Jon_McGraw), Kendrick Lewis (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109203/Kendrick_Lewis)


SPECIAL TEAMS
P: Dustin Colquitt (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2360/Dustin_Colquitt), Ryan Succop
K: Ryan Succop, Dustin Colquitt (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2360/Dustin_Colquitt)
KO: Ryan Succop, Dustin Colquitt (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/2360/Dustin_Colquitt)
PC: Thomas Gafford (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34222/Thomas_Gafford), Andy Studebaker (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34438/Andy_Studebaker), Cory Greenwood (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/111351/Cory_Greenwood)
KC: Thomas Gafford (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/34222/Thomas_Gafford), Andy Studebaker, Cory Greenwood (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/111351/Cory_Greenwood)
H: Dustin Colquitt, Brodie Croyle
(http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9/nfl/players/2360/Dustin_Colquitt)
PR: Javier Arenas (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/108685/Javier_Arenas), Dexter McCluster (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/nfl/players/109122/Dexter_McCluster)
KR: Javier Arenas (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9/nfl/players/108685/Javier_Arenas), Dexter McCluster (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9/nfl/players/109122/Dexter_McCluster), Jeremy Horne (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/109483/Jeremy_Horne)

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2010, 10:40 AM
McGraw over Lewis??????????
I must be missing something

Molitoth
09-07-2010, 10:41 AM
FS: Jon McGraw, Kendrick Lewis

I think they do shit like this on purpose just to keep the younger guys motivated to work thier ass off to get that starting position.

A lot of times when people get handed shit on a silver platter.... they feel that they don't have to work as hard.

Pestilence
09-07-2010, 10:41 AM
McGraw over Lewis??????????
I must be missing something

They probably don't want to start two rookie safeties.

I would....but they probably don't.

InChiefsHell
09-07-2010, 10:42 AM
McGraw over Lewis??????????
I must be missing something
Lewis is young yet. I'm sure by mid-season he'll have taken that spot.

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 10:46 AM
they don't want 2 rookie Safeties starting ... at least not at the start of the season.

when Berry gets a few games under his belt then they might go with Lewis too

Rudy lost the toss
09-07-2010, 10:47 AM
Fuck Haley right now...

I like him enough, but the RT situation pisses me off so much

Saccopoo
09-07-2010, 10:48 AM
They probably don't want to start two rookie safeties.

I would....but they probably don't.

You just can't do it. McGraw doesn't have the physical abilities of Lewis or Berry, but he's a solid football player that has good instincts and experience. He will be able to cover the lack of experience that Berry will have to grow into as the season progresses. But you can't have two rookie safeties back there and not expect offensive coordinators to just go after them play after play.

I liked Lewis a lot in the pre-season and fully expect him to start in 2011, but you simply can't have he and Berry back there as rookies in this league.

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 10:49 AM
Fuck Haley right now...

I like him enough, but the RT situation pisses me off so much
what about it pisses you off?

other than we should of upgraded that position this offseason ...

Dick Bull
09-07-2010, 10:49 AM
**** Haley right now...

I like him enough, but the RT situation pisses me off so much


Only a chiefs fan would get pissed off or even care about who's starting at rt.

Rudy lost the toss
09-07-2010, 10:52 AM
what about it pisses you off?

other than we should of upgraded that position this offseason ...

you're right.

But Id atleast like to see Richardson before they find a solution at RT

OCallaghan bothers me

KCrockaholic
09-07-2010, 10:53 AM
I thought Richardson was going to start this week? I hope so cause Cassel will get killed if O'Callahan is in there.

Saccopoo
09-07-2010, 10:54 AM
**** Haley right now...

I like him enough, but the RT situation pisses me off so much

Seamus O'Murphy wasn't that bad, comparatively, in the pre-season. There are worse tackles currently on the roster.

And I wouldn't necessarily put all of the blame on Haley. Sure he should get some of it, but to come away from the past two drafts, which were generally regarded as some of the best in terms of offensive line talent, without a legitmate (future) starter(s) at a number of position on a line that was, in a word, horrible, is a complete and utter tragedy. That's on Pioli, the scouting department and the coaching staff for not properly evaluating the talent in house, the prospective players coming out of college and drafting to the strength of a particular draft. The whole organization screwed the pooch on the offensive line the past two drafts and it's glaringly obvious as we have three tackles who probably wouldn't make any other NFL teams opening day roster and are fielding only those three substandard tackles rather than the typical four. The talent pool for the Chiefs offensive line is obscenely shallow.

milkman
09-07-2010, 10:55 AM
You just can't do it. McGraw doesn't have the physical abilities of Lewis or Berry, but he's a solid football player that has good instincts and experience. He will be able to cover the lack of experience that Berry will have to grow into as the season progresses. But you can't have two rookie safeties back there and not expect offensive coordinators to just go after them play after play.

I liked Lewis a lot in the pre-season and fully expect him to start in 2011, but you simply can't have he and Berry back there as rookies in this league.

Jeez, just imagine the crappy season the 49ers would have had if they'd have started three rookies in their secondary in 1981.

ChiTown
09-07-2010, 10:56 AM
If we don't spend the off-season upgrading our DL, I'm going to lose what's left of my mind. Holy phuck, that's bad!

Bill Lundberg
09-07-2010, 10:57 AM
I hope so cause Cassel will get killed if O'Callahan is in there.

Think about this part again...

Chiefnj2
09-07-2010, 11:02 AM
Does KC have the least talented roster in the NFL?

Saccopoo
09-07-2010, 11:04 AM
If we don't spend the off-season upgrading our DL, I'm going to lose what's left of my mind. Holy phuck, that's bad!

Are far as Chief Planeteers go, I would think our defensive line would represent the near ideal. We've got two, young top five draft picks on that line. We should be fucking teams up with that defensive line. I mean, Branden Albert was a top 15 pick, so everyone seems to think that he's not a problem or liability on the offensive side, so we should all be freaking ecstatic about our D-line situation. Hell, we've got first round draft picks all over our defensive side. We should be killing teams defensively.

eazyb81
09-07-2010, 11:07 AM
So Thomas Jones is SERIOUSLY going to start over Charles?

This isn't just a motivational issue....this is really happening?

Wow. Just wow. This franchise is garbage.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2010, 11:08 AM
Are far as Chief Planeteers go, I would think our defensive line would represent the near ideal. We've got two, young top five draft picks on that line. We should be ****ing teams up with that defensive line. I mean, Branden Albert was a top 15 pick, so everyone seems to think that he's not a problem or liability on the offensive side, so we should all be freaking ecstatic about our D-line situation. Hell, we've got first round draft picks all over our defensive side. We should be killing teams defensively.

Profootballfocus.com Front 7 rankings 2010:

32. Kansas City Chiefs (Run defense No. 32, pass rush No. 11)

The Chiefs’ problems stretch across the board, from a dreadful season by their No. 3 overall pick (Tyson Jackson, -40.8 overall) to his former college teammate still not reaching even an average level (Glenn Dorsey, -2.0 overall) of play. The Chiefs simply appear to lack talent across the board. The fact that they did nothing to address their personnel beyond acquiring Shaun Smith from Cincinnati shows their confidence in the personnel, but is this confidence perhaps misplaced?

Best player: Tamba Hali

His run defense is certainly nothing to write home about (-12.7), but Hali’s pass rushing improved by leaps and bounds last season (9 sacks, 13 hits, 36 pressure). He will be heavily leaned upon, as Mike Vrabel is another year older and slower on the opposite side and there is no help forthcoming from Jackson or Dorsey (1 sack, 2 hits, 23 pressures combined in ’09).

Under pressure: Tyson Jackson

After emerging from LSU as the “prototypical 5-technique defensive end” and being plucked third overall by Kansas City, Jackson responded with an abject rookie campaign. He was thrust straight into a starting role and had no veteran presence to learn from, but the Chiefs will be desperate for more from him in 2010. How much longer can even a top-five pick be given if his 2009 season performances continue?

Pestilence
09-07-2010, 11:11 AM
The dumbest move this franchise ever made was switching to the 3-4 when they didn't have the talent for it.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:11 AM
A voice for the mothers of non-starting NFL players everywhere

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 11:15 AM
you're right.

But Id atleast like to see Richardson before they find a solution at RT

OCallaghan bothers meRichardson has played RT most of the last 2 preaseason games.

good run blocker
so-so pass blocker (problems with speed on the edge)

he's pretty similar to O'callaghan tbh

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 11:16 AM
So Thomas Jones is SERIOUSLY going to start over Charles?

This isn't just a motivational issue....this is really happening?

Wow. Just wow. This franchise is garbage.
crying about nothing

it means NOTHING who is listed starter/backup RB

-King-
09-07-2010, 11:18 AM
So Thomas Jones is SERIOUSLY going to start over Charles?

This isn't just a motivational issue....this is really happening?

Wow. Just wow. This franchise is garbage.

I was waiting for this. You do realize who starts doesn't matter right? Charles will get more carries in the long run. RB/WR are positions where who starts doesn't really matter because they change out so much.

-King-
09-07-2010, 11:19 AM
I hope Barry Richardson starts because he's the better run blocker of the two and this team will be running the ball quite a bit.

thurman merman
09-07-2010, 11:20 AM
I thought Richardson was going to start this week? I hope so cause Cassel will get killed if O'Callahan is in there.

Cassel will get killed no matter who is playing any position, cause he has no idea how to get rid of the ball within a reasonable amount of time.

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:20 AM
Lewis and Charles not starting is bush league. And I don't care if the latter comes in on the second series. It's yet another juvenile, misguided decision that the current regime has made.

Put that on a sign at 1 Arrowhead.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:21 AM
You can damm well bet the Chargers are preparing for Charles either way

suds79
09-07-2010, 11:21 AM
crying about nothing

it means NOTHING who is listed starter/backup RB

I heard Todd Haley say that who starts does matter. It matters to the players.

My only concern is that by Thomas Starting that means he'll get either 1/2 or the majority of the touches which IMO is a mistake. Jamaal Charles is our biggest playmaker and should get at least 60% of the RB carries saving Thomas more for those 3rd and shorts.

Without him carrying this offense, I fear we'll find ourselves behind early and having to pass a lot to catch up which as we know with Matt Cassel is a recipe for disaster.

We shouldn't be waiting a while in the game before we start to play for real by then putting our best players on the field. Doesn't make sense.

thurman merman
09-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Jamaal Charles is our biggest playmaker and should get at least 80% of the RB carries.


fixed your post

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Hey, when you can find a way to start your third best option, you simply have to make that move.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Why wear Charles down in a season that's just practice

KCtotheSB
09-07-2010, 11:23 AM
So Thomas Jones is SERIOUSLY going to start over Charles?

This isn't just a motivational issue....this is really happening?

Wow. Just wow. This franchise is garbage.

For fuck sakes.....it doesn't goddamn matter.

eazyb81
09-07-2010, 11:25 AM
I was waiting for this. You do realize who starts doesn't matter right? Charles will get more carries in the long run. RB/WR are positions where who starts doesn't really matter because they change out so much.

Totally, except you're forgetting we have a moron for a head coach that has proven over and over and over and over again that he makes poor decisions and sits players he doesn't like regardless of production.

I'll bet you anything that Jones ends up with more carries than Charles this season.

thurman merman
09-07-2010, 11:27 AM
I'll bet you anything that Jones ends up with more carries than Charles this season.

And half as many yards.

eazyb81
09-07-2010, 11:27 AM
Hey, when you can find a way to start your third best option, you simply have to make that move.

Hey it doesn't matter man, Haley obviously knows what he's doing by cutting the snaps of our only legitimate playmaker for an old T.J. Duckett impersonator.

suds79
09-07-2010, 11:27 AM
Why wear Charles down in a season that's just practice

I've heard this before and if you make that argument then you could say the same thing about other young good players.

Why wear down Brandon Flowers in a season that doesn't count? Why wear down Brandon Albert? etc.

This year DOES count. It's time for this team to start to be competitive.

The only way that happens is if our one true special player is leading the charge. Otherwise we'll hear grumblings about the coach not getting it done wen we're losing games and we'll have to start over.

If you have a guy who can be great now? You play him.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:29 AM
RBs don't last
Fuck Fantasy Football

suds79
09-07-2010, 11:30 AM
RBs don't last

All the more reason to play him now while he's young and fresh.

Jamaal's greatest attributes are speed & quickness. You think that he'll be more explosive next year? How about the year after that?

They're a ticking timebomb. Use them while you can.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:32 AM
He has a bum shoulder
again
**** FANTASY FOOTBALL

-King-
09-07-2010, 11:34 AM
Totally, except you're forgetting we have a moron for a head coach that has proven over and over and over and over again that he makes poor decisions and sits players he doesn't like regardless of production.

I'll bet you anything that Jones ends up with more carries than Charles this season.

Want to bet sig and avy rights? And can you explain the bolded part?

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 11:35 AM
fixed your postgive Charles that many carries and he won't last another 3 years

Deberg_1990
09-07-2010, 11:36 AM
The dumbest move this franchise ever made was switching to the 3-4 when they didn't have the talent for it.


Because that defense in the 4-3 sure was getting it done.

suds79
09-07-2010, 11:38 AM
He has a bum shoulder
again
**** FANTASY FOOTBALL

Nobody is talking FF. It's simply a case of choosing a player to start who is clearly and by performance not as good as another.

Even beyond who starts. What about carries & touches? When this season is underway and Thomas Jones is averaging barely over 4 YPG and Jamaal is 5+ (he's averaged 5.6 for his career), there's just no way to justify them even being close in touches.

They're simply not in the same class.

-King-
09-07-2010, 11:39 AM
give Charles that many carries and he won't last another 3 years

People don't understand that.

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:40 AM
Hey it doesn't matter man, Haley obviously knows what he's doing by cutting the snaps of our only legitimate playmaker for an old T.J. Duckett impersonator.

Go Chiefs! Clap louder, fans!

Pestilence
09-07-2010, 11:43 AM
Because that defense in the 4-3 sure was getting it done.

At least it was utilizing the fucking talents of the people we had. The only problem was the coaching.

Dorsey as a DT in the 4-3? Playing to his strengths. Dorsey as a DE in the 3-4? A waste of a top 5 pick.

suds79
09-07-2010, 11:43 AM
People don't understand that.

Nobody is saying give the guy 300+ carries and treat him like LJ.

If Jamaal got 15 carries a game I'd be happy. That'd equal out to 240.

Thomas should ideally get about 10 and be the 3rd and short guy. But instead he's the starter.

I can just see a lack of explosiveness to start out games and it quickly getting to a point to where we have to pass to catch up.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm too stupid to live

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:46 AM
No one cares what we think. No one here is an NFL coach or GM.

Keep clapping! Smell the Q!!

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 11:47 AM
Nobody is saying give the guy 300+ carries and treat him like LJ.

If Jamaal got 15 carries a game I'd be happy. That'd equal out to 240.

Thomas should ideally get about 10 and be the 3rd and short guy. But instead he's the starter.

I can just see a lack of explosiveness to start out games and it quickly getting to a point to where we have to pass to catch up.
i can almost guarantee that Charles will get 15+ carries a game.

the only way he won't is if the offense is so shitty that we go 3 and out all year.

don't know what would make anyone think he wouldn't

anyone that thinks the title "starter" for Jones means Charles won't get his carries is a dam moron.

Deberg_1990
09-07-2010, 11:47 AM
While Jones doesnt have the explosion of Charles, he did gain 1400 yards last year.

Some of you guys act like hes the 2nd coming of Frank Moreau....

Charles will get plenty of work this year. You think Haley doesnt want to win???

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:48 AM
On the bright side, Haley has said several times this preseason that, "Charles is starting to get it."

Whew.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2010, 11:51 AM
Lets give Charles 28 carries a game coming off of shoulder surgery.

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:52 AM
Lets give Charles 28 carries a game coming off of shoulder surgery.

Link to this post? A post? Any post that suggests this?

Why make absurd statements?

Mr. Laz
09-07-2010, 11:55 AM
Link to this post? A post? Any post that suggests this?

Why make absurd statements?irony?

Mr. Kotter
09-07-2010, 11:56 AM
While Jones doesnt have the explosion of Charles, he did gain 1400 yards last year.

Some of you guys act like hes the 2nd coming of Frank Moreau....

Charles will get plenty of work this year. You think Haley doesnt want to win???

Actually Jone's running style reminds me more of Donnel Bennett....if Jones can be half the back the Bennett was, he's the FA pickup of the century. Yeppers.

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 11:57 AM
irony?

No. Not even close. Misreading.

DJ's left nut
09-07-2010, 11:58 AM
Hey it doesn't matter man, Haley obviously knows what he's doing by cutting the snaps of our only legitimate playmaker for an old T.J. Duckett impersonator.

Oh come on.

Thomas Jones has been one of the most productive, durable RBs in football over the last 4 years. He's a damn good back and we're lucky to have him.

Charles gets dinged, its what he does. He had an ankle issue last year, a shoulder this year. He's not a guy that's going to be able to a full load and he needs a very good caddie.

While I agree that we should be starting Charles to create the possibility of a huge play right out of the chute, I also see the benefit to using the battering ram early to soften up the defense a bit for the gamebreaker later. Not only could it make Charles more effective, but it could even keep him healthier as the backers and safeties are moving just that much more slowly when they try to line him up for a big hit.

Is it what I'd do? No, but lets not act like there's absolutely no justification for it either, there certainly is.

Ultimately, I don't see it as worth getting tied up in a knot over. If we get a couple games into the season and Charles is getting 8 carries a game - complain and complain LOUDLY. But the depth chart, stand alone, means very little.

-King-
09-07-2010, 11:58 AM
Nobody is saying give the guy 300+ carries and treat him like LJ.

If Jamaal got 15 carries a game I'd be happy. That'd equal out to 240.

Thomas should ideally get about 10 and be the 3rd and short guy. But instead he's the starter.

I can just see a lack of explosiveness to start out games and it quickly getting to a point to where we have to pass to catch up.

Do you really think Charles wont get 15 carries a game?
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DaneMcCloud
09-07-2010, 12:01 PM
The Jones/Charles thing doesn't matter. Charles will get 20 touches a game (a mixture of run and pass) and Jones will likely see the tougher yards. I don't have any problem with that.

The issue for me is Richardson behind O'C, Gilberry behind Dorsey (WTF?), Copper behind Chambers, Studebaker behind Vrabel (again, WTF?) and McGraw over Lewis.

Richardson should be the starter, hands down, period. O'C has not improved in the passing game and he's got lead feet. Richardson has more natural skills and even though he's still learning the position, he should start every game if healthy. A 16 game season for Richardson at right tackle would pay HUGE dividends for 2011.

Copper is a special teamer, period. Horne should be on the field long before Copper and I can't believe it's even up for debate. This is just another instance of a coaching staff "trusting" a turd instead of "taking a chance" that a rookie might make a mistake. I don't like it, at all.

Vrable???????? FUCK that guy. Studebaker should be the unquestioned LOLB, PERIOD. Vrabel's old ass is just ANOTHER sign that these fucking assholes don't know fucking shit about personnel. Studebaker should start and play all 16 games this year. Period, end of story.

And in closing, FUCK Jon McGraw. He's a special teamer, period.

This team isn't winning more than 5 games this year and they should be playing ALL of their young guys with an eye on the future.

FUCK!!!!!!!

Deberg_1990
09-07-2010, 12:02 PM
if Jones can be half the back the Bennett was, he's the FA pickup of the century.



WTF?????

Bennett couldnt hold Jones jockstrap....

Pestilence
09-07-2010, 12:04 PM
The Jones/Charles thing doesn't matter. Charles will get 20 touches a game (a mixture of run and pass) and Jones will likely see the tougher yards. I don't have any problem with that.

The issue for me is Richardson behind O'C, Gilberry behind Dorsey (WTF?), Copper behind Chambers, Studebaker behind Vrabel (again, WTF?) and McGraw over Lewis.

Richardson should be the starter, hands down, period. O'C has not improved in the passing game and he's got lead feet. Richardson has more natural skills and even though he's still learning the position, he should start every game if healthy. A 16 game season for Richardson at right tackle would pay HUGE dividends for 2011.

Copper is a special teamer, period. Horne should be on the field long before Copper and I can't believe it's even up for debate. This is just another instance of a coaching staff "trusting" a turd instead of "taking a chance" that a rookie might make a mistake. I don't like it, at all.

Vrable???????? FUCK that guy. Studebaker should be the unquestioned LOLB, PERIOD. Vrabel's old ass is just ANOTHER sign that these fucking assholes don't know fucking shit about personnel. Studebaker should start and play all 16 games this year. Period, end of story.

And in closing, FUCK Jon McGraw. He's a special teamer, period.

This team isn't winning more than 5 games this year and they should be playing ALL of their young guys with an eye on the future.

FUCK!!!!!!!

This.

milkman
09-07-2010, 12:05 PM
Does KC have the least talented roster in the NFL?

It's debatable.

I believe the Rams and Lion will both have better records this year.

suds79
09-07-2010, 12:07 PM
Do you really think Charles wont get 15 carries a game?
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I think he'll have games where he reaches that certainly.

I think we'll also have games where we're 3 and out in the first 2 series because Jamaal isn't in there.

Look in the end I think it won't matter. Come week 2-5 when Jamaal is ripping it up at 5+ yards a carry, Todd will have no other option but to put his best weapon out there to start.

Again, why spot the team points before you bring out the big guns and start to play your best players?

And when that switch is made, that'll be proof that this decision to start Thomas was a joke.

That's what I think will happen.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2010, 12:09 PM
I think he'll have games where he reaches that certainly.

I think we'll also have games where we're 3 and out in the first 2 series because Jamaal isn't in there.

Look in the end I think it won't matter. Come week 2-5 when Jamaal is ripping it up at 5+ yards a carry, Todd will have no other option but to put his best weapon out there to start.

Again, why spot the team points before you bring out the big guns and start to play your best players?

And when that switch is made, that'll be proof that this decision to start Thomas was a joke.

That's what I think will happen.

You realize Jones is a quality running back who can get tough yards?

Deberg_1990
09-07-2010, 12:14 PM
It's debatable.

I believe the Rams and Lion will both have better records this year.

Rams, Lions, Bucs and Chiefs...all on same level for now....

Guess what critical piece the Chiefs are missing that those others have?? Hmmmmmm

suds79
09-07-2010, 12:15 PM
You realize Jones is a quality running back who can get tough yards?

Quality back? Sure. Tough yards? that's what he was brought in here for.

But Thomas rushed for 4.2 YPG behind the NFL's best offensive line last year.

Jamaal ran for 5.9 behind one of the worse lines last year.

Thus far in preseason Thomas is averaging 3.9 YPG.

Is he solid? sure. But is he in the same league at this point in his career as Jamaal? Not even close. And you're fooling yourself or haven't been watching the games if you think he is.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2010, 12:18 PM
Quality back? Sure. Tough yards? that's what he was brought in here for.

But Thomas rushed for 4.2 YPG behind the NFL's best offensive line last year.

Jamaal ran for 5.9 behind one of the worse lines last year.

Thus far in preseason Thomas is averaging 3.9 YPG.

Is he solid? sure. But is he in the same league at this point in his career as Jamaal? Not even close. And you're fooling yourself or haven't been watching the games if you think he is.

Sanchez was on a tight leash last year. Jones got the ball when other teams knew they were running and were keying on the run. Jones and Charles are different runners, but both are very good. They are close.

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Oh come on.

Thomas Jones has been one of the most productive, durable RBs in football over the last 4 years. He's a damn good back and we're lucky to have him.

Charles gets dinged, its what he does. He had an ankle issue last year, a shoulder this year. He's not a guy that's going to be able to a full load and he needs a very good caddie.

While I agree that we should be starting Charles to create the possibility of a huge play right out of the chute, I also see the benefit to using the battering ram early to soften up the defense a bit for the gamebreaker later. Not only could it make Charles more effective, but it could even keep him healthier as the backers and safeties are moving just that much more slowly when they try to line him up for a big hit.

Is it what I'd do? No, but lets not act like there's absolutely no justification for it either, there certainly is.

Ultimately, I don't see it as worth getting tied up in a knot over. If we get a couple games into the season and Charles is getting 8 carries a game - complain and complain LOUDLY. But the depth chart, stand alone, means very little.

In any team sport, I have a huge ****ing problem with not starting the best players. Period. Too often, coaches get caught up in ancillary bullshit, when talent is the trump card.

Naturally, the HC must manage the talent, but McGraw and Jones aren't starting based on skill alone.

PGM
09-07-2010, 12:25 PM
That really sucks that Studebaker isn't going to be starting. He definately earned it. Hopefully he'll still get a bunch of playing time, because I really think he can fill a hole on that spot for the future on defense. Can't tell what we've got and he won't progress sitting on the sidelines.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-07-2010, 12:28 PM
What the fuck does Ryan O'Callaghan have to do to lose his job? Burn a copy of Patriot Reign?

suds79
09-07-2010, 12:31 PM
That really sucks that Studebaker isn't going to be starting. He definately earned it. Hopefully he'll still get a bunch of playing time, because I really think he can fill a hole on that spot for the future on defense. Can't tell what we've got and he won't progress sitting on the sidelines.

Got to figure it's only a matter of time before that job's his wouldn't you think?

Vrabel isn't getting any younger.

PGM
09-07-2010, 12:35 PM
Got to figure it's only a matter of time before that job's his wouldn't you think?

Vrabel isn't getting any younger.

I would hope so. Play guys like Richardson and Studebaker and who knows maybe you fill 2 holes that were question marks at the beginning of the season.

Mr. Kotter
09-07-2010, 12:43 PM
WTF?????

Bennett couldnt hold Jones jockstrap....

Sar-casm. Heh.

;)

TrebMaxx
09-07-2010, 12:51 PM
Overlooked is the fact the Jones is better in pass protection than Charles. Charles will get his touches and most likely some starts this season. I really am stunned with O'C over Richardson and Vrabel over Studebaker. To a lesser degree McGraw over Lewis at least early in the season, as the season goes on and McGraw is still the starter that will make me a little disgruntled. I don't understand the love affair the FO has with Copper.

Saccopoo
09-07-2010, 01:29 PM
What the **** does Ryan O'Callaghan have to do to lose his job? Burn a copy of Patriot Reign?

I would say having a competent tackle that's better than him on the roster. Let's be honest, Richardson isn't good. He sucked and coudn't pass protect at all this pre-season. Albert also had a horrible pre-season. O'Murphy was not good. Seriously - what choice do you have when you fail to bring in anyone through free agency or the draft that could have pushed this trio of fail? They didn't. As such, you get three guys who wouldn't make any other NFL teams opening day roster and let them "battle" it out for the starting position.

The fact that we're arguing about Richardson versus O'Murphy is the real ironic tragedy.

Coogs
09-07-2010, 01:31 PM
I would say having a competent tackle that's better than him on the roster. Let's be honest, Richardson isn't good. He sucked and coudn't pass protect at all this pre-season. Albert also had a horrible pre-season. O'Murphy was not good. Seriously - what choice do you have when you fail to bring in anyone through free agency or the draft that could have pushed this trio of fail? They didn't. As such, you get three guys who wouldn't make any other NFL teams opening day roster and let them "battle" it out for the starting position.

The fact that we're arguing about Richardson versus O'Murphy is the real ironic tragedy.

:popcorn:

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Complete nonsense.

As much as the draftabulators are accused of pushing a QB-agenda at all costs, Sac's o-line obsession is exponentially worse.

Psst: it wasn't that bad. A certain player might have made the line look a bit worse.

googlegoogle
09-07-2010, 01:46 PM
What the **** does Ryan O'Callaghan have to do to lose his job? Burn a copy of Patriot Reign?

ROFL

aturnis
09-07-2010, 01:48 PM
I think we'll also have games where we're 3 and out in the first 2 series because Jamaal isn't in there.

I think it's funny that you think charles won't play the first two series. He'll likely come in on second down in the first series. Also, he will likely shoulder 60% of the load this season, not to mention his touches in the passing game.

bevischief
09-07-2010, 01:54 PM
:popcorn:

RedThat
09-07-2010, 01:58 PM
Man, another year with Ron Edwards. Ouch.

I hope this Toribio kid can come through. It would pain me to see Ron play a majority of the snaps. He sucks. He is balls awful. I've seen him several times get stood up by one blocker. Im expecting us to get gashed up the middle w/ him in there.

aturnis
09-07-2010, 02:25 PM
Man, another year with Ron Edwards. Ouch.

I hope this Toribio kid can come through. It would pain me to see Ron play a majority of the snaps. He sucks. He is balls awful. I've seen him several times get stood up by one blocker. Im expecting us to get gashed up the middle w/ him in there.

I reached some of the TH game. Toribio wasn't real impressive against Weigmann and the one's, but did well against Niswanger, and the two's. Actually demanded some double teams.

Chocolate Hog
09-07-2010, 02:27 PM
Jackie Bates made the team? Fuck,

Mecca
09-07-2010, 02:32 PM
People don't understand that.

He's not going to last that long either way and why should the team care?

RB is a dime a dozen position, you take the young one you have, ride the shit out of him, let him go and draft another one.

Why is this hard to understand, no one should be trying to make Charles career last 10 years.

ChiefaRoo
09-07-2010, 02:33 PM
you're right.

But Id atleast like to see Richardson before they find a solution at RT

OCallaghan bothers me

Richardson is not, nor will he ever be, a first string RT. He's fringe at best and when KC finally gets a 3rd round rookie OT he'll be gone or relegated to the bench in 2011.

-King-
09-07-2010, 02:47 PM
He's not going to last that long either way and why should the team care?

RB is a dime a dozen position, you take the young one you have, ride the shit out of him, let him go and draft another one.

Why is this hard to understand, no one should be trying to make Charles career last 10 years.

YEAH! LETS GIVE HIM 350 CARRIES AND HAVE TO DRAFT AN RB EVERY YEAR!


YEAH!!!

RedThat
09-07-2010, 02:51 PM
I reached some of the TH game. Toribio wasn't real impressive against Weigmann and the one's, but did well against Niswanger, and the two's. Actually demanded some double teams.

Well thats a bit of good news and bad news.

Doing well against second strings is good to hear, but it was against competition ala Niswanger. With that said, meh. Nothing to be real excited about.

Now being schooled by a veteran center like Wiegmann makes you wonder. Is this kid gonna easily get schooled by veteran centers throughout the league?
How is he going to perform against top competition?

What's his ceiling really?

BossChief
09-07-2010, 03:06 PM
If Barry Richardson could develop the mental capacity to know WHO to block, he would be a starter by now.

Trouble is, he does real well on 4-5 plays and then completely whiffs on the 5-6 block he is required to make...leaving a unblocked blitzer coming straight at the quarterback.

Teams know this and if he hits the field, expect teams to throw kitchen sink blitzes at the kid and for us to sustain injuries behind him because of it.

When he gets his hands on a guy, he does a good job of neutralizing him, too bad he doesn't do that consistently.

arrowheadnation
09-07-2010, 03:10 PM
Jesus...how long before Haley's mind games piss Jamaal off enough to demand a trade?

BossChief
09-07-2010, 03:14 PM
I think they do shit like this on purpose just to keep the younger guys motivated to work thier ass off to get that starting position.

A lot of times when people get handed shit on a silver platter.... they feel that they don't have to work as hard.See:

Derrick Johnson: 2005-2008
Matt Cassel: 2009-present

Jesus...how long before Haley's mind games piss Jamaal off enough to demand a trade?

or until they help him become a top 3 back in the NFL...

siberian khatru
09-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Just as an aside, how many NFL teams carry TWO fullbacks?

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-07-2010, 03:49 PM
Studebaker>>>>>>>Vrabel

FAIL.

-King-
09-07-2010, 03:51 PM
Haley has made it clear throughout training camp that he wants first-team and second-team status to exits the minds of his players and fellow coaches. Haley is more concerned about finding the right mix of 45 players each gameday; a mix where each player owns a specific role that contributes to the greater performance of the team as a whole.

Regardless, fans are itching to find out who the starters will be after high-profile competitions at inside linebacker and center this preseason. Apparently, that answer could come as early as Wednesday.

“We’re getting a lot closer (to determining starters),” Haley said. “I’ll get into more as we go forward on Wednesday.”

The team also typically releases an unofficial depth chart on Tuesdays each week of the season.

Buehler445
09-07-2010, 04:11 PM
The Jones/Charles thing doesn't matter. Charles will get 20 touches a game (a mixture of run and pass) and Jones will likely see the tougher yards. I don't have any problem with that.

The issue for me is Richardson behind O'C, Gilberry behind Dorsey (WTF?), Copper behind Chambers, Studebaker behind Vrabel (again, WTF?) and McGraw over Lewis.

Richardson should be the starter, hands down, period. O'C has not improved in the passing game and he's got lead feet. Richardson has more natural skills and even though he's still learning the position, he should start every game if healthy. A 16 game season for Richardson at right tackle would pay HUGE dividends for 2011.

Copper is a special teamer, period. Horne should be on the field long before Copper and I can't believe it's even up for debate. This is just another instance of a coaching staff "trusting" a turd instead of "taking a chance" that a rookie might make a mistake. I don't like it, at all.

Vrable???????? FUCK that guy. Studebaker should be the unquestioned LOLB, PERIOD. Vrabel's old ass is just ANOTHER sign that these fucking assholes don't know fucking shit about personnel. Studebaker should start and play all 16 games this year. Period, end of story.

And in closing, FUCK Jon McGraw. He's a special teamer, period.

This team isn't winning more than 5 games this year and they should be playing ALL of their young guys with an eye on the future.

FUCK!!!!!!!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING WAY




















I could agree more :D

aturnis
09-07-2010, 04:31 PM
Link to this post? A post? Any post that suggests this?

Why make absurd statements?

This one?

DeezNutz
09-07-2010, 04:42 PM
This one?

LMAO.

Fair enough.

aturnis
09-07-2010, 04:55 PM
The Jones/Charles thing doesn't matter. Charles will get 20 touches a game (a mixture of run and pass) and Jones will likely see the tougher yards. I don't have any problem with that.

This is exactly right. Charles will get his touches. He will be the main back for KC. TJ will play a huge role though. The only people the starting runningback should concern is TJ and JC. Also, this could be something as simple as, in order to convince TJ to come to KC, they had to promise he'd be the starter and not a backup. Why would he come here to be a backup and regress in his career?

The issue for me is Richardson behind O'C, Gilberry behind Dorsey (WTF?), Copper behind Chambers, Studebaker behind Vrabel (again, WTF?) and McGraw over Lewis.

The only one I question is Gilberry over Dorsey. Why over Dorsey? Why not over TJack? Dorsey was the better of the two last year. Or is this opinion in hopes that they would make Dorsey a penetrating NT?

Richardson should be the starter, hands down, period. O'C has not improved in the passing game and he's got lead feet. Richardson has more natural skills and even though he's still learning the position, he should start every game if healthy. A 16 game season for Richardson at right tackle would pay HUGE dividends for 2011.

Copper is a special teamer, period. Horne should be on the field long before Copper and I can't believe it's even up for debate. This is just another instance of a coaching staff "trusting" a turd instead of "taking a chance" that a rookie might make a mistake. I don't like it, at all.

Vrable???????? **** that guy. Studebaker should be the unquestioned LOLB, PERIOD. Vrabel's old ass is just ANOTHER sign that these ****ing assholes don't know ****ing shit about personnel. Studebaker should start and play all 16 games this year. Period, end of story.

And in closing, **** Jon McGraw. He's a special teamer, period.

This team isn't winning more than 5 games this year and they should be playing ALL of their young guys with an eye on the future.

****!!!!!!!

:clap: DaneMcloud at his best. Good post. Although I do believe this team has the potential to win more than 5 games.

Immediately following the draft, I felt the defense was going to be quite a bit better. Though they won't be great, I think they might even improve more than the offense. We'll see though. The running game was good last year, and the line should be better. Somehow though, I'm not seeing Cassel leading a real productive offense. Hope I'm wrong.

ChiefaRoo
09-07-2010, 05:38 PM
If Barry Richardson could develop the mental capacity to know WHO to block, he would be a starter by now.

Trouble is, he does real well on 4-5 plays and then completely whiffs on the 5-6 block he is required to make...leaving a unblocked blitzer coming straight at the quarterback.

Teams know this and if he hits the field, expect teams to throw kitchen sink blitzes at the kid and for us to sustain injuries behind him because of it.

When he gets his hands on a guy, he does a good job of neutralizing him, too bad he doesn't do that consistently.

This. Rep.

chiefzilla1501
09-07-2010, 05:49 PM
He's not going to last that long either way and why should the team care?

RB is a dime a dozen position, you take the young one you have, ride the shit out of him, let him go and draft another one.

Why is this hard to understand, no one should be trying to make Charles career last 10 years.

Playmaker RBs are not a dime a dozen. And given that most RBs are platooning instead of carrying 400 carries a season, we have yet to see if this will lead to less injuries. In this day and age, they probably can.

It's not like the Chiefs are the only team to platoon backs. Who really cares if Charles starts if he's getting the 15-20 carries we hope he'll get?

chiefzilla1501
09-07-2010, 05:51 PM
The Jones/Charles thing doesn't matter. Charles will get 20 touches a game (a mixture of run and pass) and Jones will likely see the tougher yards. I don't have any problem with that.

The issue for me is Richardson behind O'C, Gilberry behind Dorsey (WTF?), Copper behind Chambers, Studebaker behind Vrabel (again, WTF?) and McGraw over Lewis.

Richardson should be the starter, hands down, period. O'C has not improved in the passing game and he's got lead feet. Richardson has more natural skills and even though he's still learning the position, he should start every game if healthy. A 16 game season for Richardson at right tackle would pay HUGE dividends for 2011.

Copper is a special teamer, period. Horne should be on the field long before Copper and I can't believe it's even up for debate. This is just another instance of a coaching staff "trusting" a turd instead of "taking a chance" that a rookie might make a mistake. I don't like it, at all.

Vrable???????? **** that guy. Studebaker should be the unquestioned LOLB, PERIOD. Vrabel's old ass is just ANOTHER sign that these ****ing assholes don't know ****ing shit about personnel. Studebaker should start and play all 16 games this year. Period, end of story.

And in closing, **** Jon McGraw. He's a special teamer, period.

This team isn't winning more than 5 games this year and they should be playing ALL of their young guys with an eye on the future.

****!!!!!!!

Agreed on all points. Only place I'd disagree is on Gilberry. He's not built for the 5-technique. He's great on passing downs, but he gets destroyed on run downs. Putting him behind Dorsey puts him on the blind side on passing downs, so Gilberry behind Dorsey makes perfect sense. He is, after all, one of our better pass rushers on the team.

crossbow
09-07-2010, 08:05 PM
The dumbest move this franchise ever made was switching to the 3-4 when they didn't have the talent for it.

Yep. They had fairly good talent for a 4-3 and screwed that up.

PGM
09-07-2010, 08:10 PM
Playmaker RBs are not a dime a dozen. And given that most RBs are platooning instead of carrying 400 carries a season, we have yet to see if this will lead to less injuries. In this day and age, they probably can.

It's not like the Chiefs are the only team to platoon backs. Who really cares if Charles starts if he's getting the 15-20 carries we hope he'll get?

Backs that average close to 6 yards a carry grow on trees ;)

Marcellus
09-07-2010, 08:15 PM
See:

Derrick Johnson: 2005-2008
Matt Cassel: 2009-present



If you want to make a point at least make a valid one.

DJ has not deserved to start, sorry he hasn't, and unfortunately Cassel is the best QB on the roster.

crossbow
09-07-2010, 08:22 PM
On the bright side, Haley has said several times this preseason that, "Charles is starting to get it."

Whew.

LoL, what is there to "get" ? 250 yards in one game is a respectable start but he needs to improve? I think the coaches are starting to get "it" because Charles had "it" all along. It burns them that Herm drafted him and they can't do better. I would have liked to see Herm finish the rebuild but wow, his team was totally disorganized and looked like hell. Herm also, would never have drafted a QB in the top rounds. Too risky, no sir, won't do it.

So perhaps Clark's timing was perfect but Pioli screwed up the '09 draft otherwise we would be a contender this season and have our coveted young stud QB.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2010, 04:18 AM
Just saw this. Sitting B-Rich is some bush league bullshit.

The first time O'Failaghan starts sniffing an outside linebacker's ass Monday, I'm gonna throw a shitfit.

Same goes for McGraw losing his jock.

And if Thomas Jones plays entire series by his lonesome, fuck that shit, too.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-08-2010, 06:24 AM
Just saw this. Sitting B-Rich is some bush league bullshit.

The first time O'Failaghan starts sniffing an outside linebacker's ass Monday, I'm gonna throw a shitfit.

Same goes for McGraw losing his jock.

And if Thomas Jones plays entire series by his lonesome, fuck that shit, too.

We're just saving them for our playoff run...

RedThat
09-08-2010, 03:42 PM
I heard Todd Haley say that who starts does matter. It matters to the players.

My only concern is that by Thomas Starting that means he'll get either 1/2 or the majority of the touches which IMO is a mistake. Jamaal Charles is our biggest playmaker and should get at least 60% of the RB carries saving Thomas more for those 3rd and shorts.

Without him carrying this offense, I fear we'll find ourselves behind early and having to pass a lot to catch up which as we know with Matt Cassel is a recipe for disaster.

We shouldn't be waiting a while in the game before we start to play for real by then putting our best players on the field. Doesn't make sense.

Good point. Your best players should be on the field as much as possible. Yep that includes Charles I agree. And your teams weakest asset (ahem...QB Cassel) shouldn't be relied upon to help dig you out of the dirt to win ball games.

I really don't understand this coaching staff sometimes. Maybe they have a perception problem?