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petegz28
09-07-2010, 08:26 PM
So what does you peeps think of this church that is planning on a ceremony to burn the Quran on 9/11???

Direckshun
09-07-2010, 08:28 PM
My first reaction: free speech, it's their right. Power to 'em.

But I don't think it's very wise. In addition to fighting and killing insurgeants, we as a NATION (not just as a military) are trying to fight a war of cultural significance. And stoking the anti-Muslim flames in this country is bad joojoo for our brave men and women overseas. I honestly think it just adds to extremist propaghanda.

petegz28
09-07-2010, 08:39 PM
My first reaction: free speech, it's their right. Power to 'em.

But I don't think it's very wise. In addition to fighting and killing insurgeants, we as a NATION (not just as a military) are trying to fight a war of cultural significance. And stoking the anti-Muslim flames in this country is bad joojoo for our brave men and women overseas. I honestly think it just adds to extremist propaghanda.

I understand this but what tires me is anything people do, agree with them or not, always seems to meet the standard "we are going to piss off the muslims" response. It gets old. Any and everything we do just about seems to amount to this.

Just to take things in context, the muslims do not seems to care about building a victory mosque, lets call it what it is, at ground zero, yet pissed off people who burn the Quran are supposed to be sensative to the feelings of muslims.

AustinChief
09-07-2010, 08:48 PM
The "church" doing this should be ostracized from the rest of the Christian community, openly ridiculed and treated like the piss ignorant fundamentalist morons that they are. I would go so far as to say that ANYONE associated with them in any way should get the same treatment.

It's what I expect Muslims to do to the radicals in their midst... we need to lead by example and strongly (almost VIOLENTLY) condemn these morons.

Do I expect the majority of the Muslim world to appreciate it if we do so? No. That doesn't change the fact that we should do so regardless.

Brock
09-07-2010, 08:50 PM
This isn't an act of violence. It's stupid, but I don't care about it.

|Zach|
09-07-2010, 08:52 PM
Seems silly. I wouldn't want to be associated with a church doing it.

But they have the right to be juvenile.

Psyko Tek
09-07-2010, 08:52 PM
yeah, they have the "right"
but that doesn't make it right

no reason to desecrate somebody else's holy objects

it just asinine and a cry for attention

this ain't phelps' inbred bunch is it?

stevieray
09-07-2010, 08:52 PM
dumb

Wyndex
09-07-2010, 08:53 PM
it's ridiculous, what are they accomplishing by doing this? the only foreseeable outcomes are negative

|Zach|
09-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Just to take things in context, the muslims do not seems to care about building a victory mosque, lets call it what it is, at ground zero, yet pissed off people who burn the Quran are supposed to be sensative to the feelings of muslims.

Why are you not satisfied with the ways in which we differentiate ourselves from them?

Direckshun
09-07-2010, 08:56 PM
I understand this but what tires me is anything people do, agree with them or not, always seems to meet the standard "we are going to piss off the muslims" response. It gets old. Any and everything we do just about seems to amount to this.

Just to take things in context, the muslims do not seems to care about building a victory mosque, lets call it what it is, at ground zero, yet pissed off people who burn the Quran are supposed to be sensative to the feelings of muslims.

I normally wouldn't care, but we're in a hearts-and-minds battle on two fronts in Middle Eastern countries with desperate populations, which are fervent recruiting grounds for terrorists. Rules can afford to be different in war time.

Not that I'd think it's that bright in peace time. But my objection is on safety grounds during war time.

Bwana
09-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Not a wise thing to do, dip shitery at its finest.

Hog Farmer
09-07-2010, 09:31 PM
He should wait until the Korans are in the new Mosque.

Mr. Kotter
09-07-2010, 09:45 PM
As or more stupid....than building a mosque on ground zero. :rolleyes:

blaise
09-07-2010, 09:49 PM
They have a right to do it, but I really don't see how they think Jesus or God would want them to do that. If you're a Christian and you think it's a good idea to do this, then I really don't think you're much of a Christian. You're also giving ammunition to people that want to paint Christians as narrow minded fear mongerers. It's a dumb thing to do on many levels. If this guy really cared he would spend his time trying to convince people to follow Christ in a respectful manner, not a hateful one.

LaChapelle
09-07-2010, 09:57 PM
See you shouldn't judge a religion
by the acts of a few nutjobs

Hog Farmer
09-07-2010, 10:16 PM
See you shouldn't judge a religion
by the acts of 100,000 radical Muslims

Fixed

Ugly Duck
09-07-2010, 10:21 PM
I saw this military guy on CNN who served in Iraq. He said Al Qeda would burn Qurans in Baghdad & then blame it on Americans to incite violence & gain recruits. So now we have folks here at home fixin' to do AQ's work for them. Bin Hidin is rubbing his hands with glee. General Petraeus sez it will generate a deadly backlash against our troops on the ground in Afghanistan and would be welcomed by Islamic extremists for its propaganda value. Our boys' job is tough enough as it is without us undermining their efforts & further endangering their lives. Lets work with them - not against them.

BigMeatballDave
09-07-2010, 10:25 PM
Yeah, there is the whole free speech thing. Probably not a wise thing to do. That old fucker appears to be another nutjob. Hate begets hate.

orange
09-07-2010, 10:39 PM
it's ridiculous, what are they accomplishing by doing this? the only foreseeable outcomes are negative

http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/2009/11/offering-plate.jpg

Mr. Kotter
09-07-2010, 10:43 PM
http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/2009/11/offering-plate.jpg

Personally, I'd just say....better that money goes to mission work in Mexico City or a youth trip to Yellowstone, over training the next generations of Al Qaeda.

Just sayin.... :hmmm:

orange
09-07-2010, 10:51 PM
:spock:

I'm sure there are many, many people on that fence.

"al-Qaeda or Dove World Outreach Center, al-Qaeda or Dove World Outreach Center? What to do?"

ChiefaRoo
09-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Free to do it? Yes. Bad idea and bad taste, definitely.

Mr. Kotter
09-07-2010, 10:53 PM
:spock:

I'm sure there are many, many people on that fence.

"al-Qaeda or Dove World Outreach Center, al-Qaeda or Dove World Outreach Center? What to do?"

False dichotomy....Christian fundies vs. Muslim fundies.

21st Century vs. 13th Century....just sayin'. ;)

patteeu
09-07-2010, 11:36 PM
The same thing I think about building a ginormous islamic community center / mosque in the shadow of ground zero. It shouldn't be done and it shouldn't be condoned.

patteeu
09-07-2010, 11:43 PM
The "church" doing this should be ostracized from the rest of the Christian community, openly ridiculed and treated like the piss ignorant fundamentalist morons that they are. I would go so far as to say that ANYONE associated with them in any way should get the same treatment.

It's what I expect Muslims to do to the radicals in their midst... we need to lead by example and strongly (almost VIOLENTLY) condemn these morons.

Do I expect the majority of the Muslim world to appreciate it if we do so? No. That doesn't change the fact that we should do so regardless.

:clap:

Psyko Tek
09-08-2010, 12:10 AM
See you shouldn't judge a religion
by the acts of a few nutjobs

which religion are you talking about?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-08-2010, 12:11 AM
The first amendment protects the rights of fucktards, too.

Chocolate Hog
09-08-2010, 12:17 AM
The same thing I think about building a ginormous islamic community center / mosque in the shadow of ground zero. It shouldn't be done and it shouldn't be condoned.

How is it the same? Is the mosque destroying another religion? And the shadow of ground zero? you can't even see ground zero from the mosque. I bet you lock your doors when you see black people.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2010, 03:51 AM
Have legal right but unwise. It's designed to be tit for tat which will agitate....just like the mosque builders. If not showed any interest to the mosque builders they would have gone away as they couldn't have created any effect. Same here.

PornChief
09-08-2010, 04:29 AM
seems a waste of perfectly good toilet paper

PhillyChiefFan
09-08-2010, 05:05 AM
I kind of find this ironic:

- I'm assuming they purchased these Korans they are going to burn. If so, they could inadvertantly be funding the very same thing they are opposing.

- At the same time, they are giving more ammo to point the finger and attack the very same thing they are trying to support and "defend".

- Also, they are putting the lives of soldier in jeopardy, the very people who defend their right to protest in the first place.

Hog Farmer
09-08-2010, 06:39 AM
The lives of our soldiers are already in Jeopardy , that's a bullshit statement even if it came from Patreaus. Burning the Quran only shows the difference between the west and the rest. We burn a book ,they respond by burning the flag , screaming death to America and killing people. Yep it's all our fault.

jspchief
09-08-2010, 06:52 AM
I'd prefer they go blow themselves up in some muslim country.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 07:07 AM
Personally I say who gives a fuck? If that's what they want to do then that is what they want to do. That being said I am tired of us being a doormat. We are supposed to accept the victory mosque yet do nothing that may offend muslims. That is being a doormat and people can only take being walked on so much before you start seeing acts like this where they want to burn the Quran. Methinks they will end up not doin it, in which case the terrorists win again.

See, it's a catch 22....

You do something that comes off as offensive to muslims and the terrorists win
You threaten to do something and don't do it because it might offend muslims and the terrorists win
You accept outright eveything they want to do, ground zero mosque, and the terrorists win


This is the situation we now have ourselves in. The only politically correct thing we can do is the let the muslims pretty much do what they want and make sure we do absolutely nothing that may offend them.

Los Pollos Hermanos
09-08-2010, 07:16 AM
it's ridiculous, what are they accomplishing by doing this?

They're getting people to pay attention to them.

Brainiac
09-08-2010, 07:42 AM
How is it the same? Is the mosque destroying another religion? And the shadow of ground zero? you can't even see ground zero from the mosque. I bet you lock your doors when you see black people.
Really? Are you sure about that?

The mosque would be two blocks northwest of ground zero. Since each of those blocks is 264 feet, we're talking 528 feet, or 176 yards.

I can hit a 6-iron 176 yards. 176 yards is pretty f*cking close.

If they build the mosque 176 yards from ground zero, I'd like to build a driving range on ground zero and let people pay to hit golf balls into the mosque all day long. Then maybe you libs will stop telling us that the mosque is "so far away" from ground zero that it doesn't matter.

They're practically on top of each other. THAT'S why this is so offensive.

modocsot
09-08-2010, 07:58 AM
Rev. Terry Jones and his followers should be bought one-way tickets to Afghanistan. Let them burn the books over there.

King_Chief_Fan
09-08-2010, 08:26 AM
So what does you peeps think of this church that is planning on a ceremony to burn the Quran on 9/11???

I don't much about the Quran. All I know is that it isn't the Bible.

My preference is to take a firm stand on what the Bible teaches. I can't effectively do that by taking the actions the church metnioned here plans to take.

I have not problem with those who want to stand against what the Quran teaches, but burning isn't going to get the point across.

chiefsnorth
09-08-2010, 08:37 AM
This is a pointless gesture that has no potential positives. I'd love it if all Korans disappeared from the earth, but this is obviously not going to do that.

How long until Obama has Eric Holder launch some kind of investigation? After all, this guy had committed the cardinal sin of inflaming sentiment against a minority constituency.

Chieficus
09-08-2010, 08:38 AM
1. It's a stupid publicity stunt.

2. It's un-American. Yes the 1st protects freedom of speech, even stupid speech like this; but the 1st also protects freedom of religion, even religions you disagree with. It's an act that says: we don't care about your freedoms or the 1st admendment.

3. It's un-Christian. Jesus sought to win over others by dining with them, teaching them, and meeting their needs. Paul lived among them and reasoned with them. Etc. The so-called "church" in question says they're basing their actions on Acts 19:19, where it's true some books were burned. But the burnings there were people who had been deep into magic arts, converted to Christianity, and burned their own books of their past life. It would be like a Muslim converting to Christianity today and tossing his own Koran in the trash. What this "church" is doing ain't that.

And 4. Just in my opinion, but to twist their own message around: it's probably of the devil...

Bwana
09-08-2010, 08:38 AM
They're getting people to pay attention to them.

You just nailed it. It's nothing more than a bad, attention whoring, PR stunt.

Chiefshrink
09-08-2010, 08:43 AM
The real question here that the pastor needs to ask himself here is "What would Jesus do?

Hand the pastor a can of gasoline to get the festivities going:rolleyes:

Hey pastor!! Truly 'live the faith' and turn the other cheek and let vengenance be the Lord's responsibility as the Bible teaches or do you not teach that part of Scripture?:thumb:

mikey23545
09-08-2010, 08:50 AM
I think this is an extremely retarded act, but still - Christian extremism = burning some books. Muslim extremism = flying planes into skyscrapers.

mikey23545
09-08-2010, 08:52 AM
A great example of turning the other cheek (as prescribed by whats-his-name):

GAINESVILLE, FLA. Florida's Muslim community is reacting to plans by the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville to burn copies of the Qu'ran on Saturday, the 9th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.

The president of the Orlando chapter of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, said they oppose the burning of any religious scripture.

Wajeeh Bajwa said these plans don't upset them so much as sadden them.

"I don't believe there is anything that can't be solved by a dialog," he said. "A peaceful dialog."

In a release titled "A Message of Peace," the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community said it extends its prayers to "the families of all those who lost their loved ones on Sept. 11, 2001 and assure them that sacrifices offered on 9/11 will never be forgotten."

The organization's director also said they would offer special prayers for all on Sept. 11, praying for peace and calling for people of all faiths to promote harmony and foster better understanding.

In Gainesville, members of the Muslim community are calling for people to look toward the ways of peace.

The Gainesville Muslim Initiative, which formed in response to the acts of the Dove World Outreach Church, has declared that the Muslim community should refrain from all protests.

Nora Zaki, who represents a student group at the University of Florida, said the pastor of the church wants protests.

"That's what the pastor wants," she said. "It's feeding into what the church wants to happen."

She said they are planning an event of their own, which they are calling the Day of Peace and Unity.

Zaki said while the pastor of the Dove Church is burning the Qu'ran, they will be hosting a blood drive, collecting food for the homeless and holding a candlelight vigil.

The event will take place at Bo Diddley Community Plaza in Gainesville, and they're asking attendees to bring a non-perishable food item for donation to feed the homeless.

Zaki said disbursements of the donated food will be orchestrated through area mosques and the St. Francis Charity.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/540wfla/storypage.asp?site=wflf2-am&storyID=13157

munkey
09-08-2010, 09:01 AM
The only politically correct thing we can do is the let the muslims pretty much do what they want and make sure we do absolutely nothing that may offend them.

Yes...Or they will kill you!!!!

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Iowanian
09-08-2010, 09:16 AM
Muslim whackos will kill someone for drawing a cartoon of Mohammed.

This guy's head is sure to end up as a mirror decoration in a cab somewhere.


People burn Bible, flag and any number of other things and we allow that, so this isn't any different.
It's stupid, it'll rile up the hoople heads but it's their right in this country.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2010, 09:18 AM
This is the situation we now have ourselves in. The only politically correct thing we can do is the let the muslims pretty much do what they want and make sure we do absolutely nothing that may offend them.

The generality of "Muslims" doesn't do here. It is not all Muslims. This is the intended effect though. Don't allow yourself to be played.

I said the same thing about those who wanted to build a mosque which was that it was insensitive and inflames things. Meanwhile the mosque Iman gets a trip to the ME courtesy of our own govt. Sounds like intended agitation to stir up more war.

Anyhow...

I don't know many Muslims, if any at all, that have burned any Bibles. If there are how many have—a few? If anything Muslims respect the Bible's people and stories. The Koran itself repeats many Bible stories.

However, this Koran burning, I understand, is to take place on our Flag like it's an object to worship. Seems to me this pastor worships the state instead of his own God. That's against two Commandments. So this pastor is an idolator as he places state before God.

Iowanian
09-08-2010, 09:20 AM
Yeah, Muslims respect Christians and Jews, who both share some Old Testiment stories and beliefs with Muslims......


YIYIYYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYIIIIIIIIIIIII Infidel!

boogblaster
09-08-2010, 10:08 AM
burn a raghead day sounds better

BucEyedPea
09-08-2010, 10:14 AM
burn a raghead day sounds better
Would you include Sikhs?

BucEyedPea
09-08-2010, 10:18 AM
A professed Christian pastor in Gainesville, Florida, Terry Jones, plans to burn copies of the Quran on 9/11. He indicts all Islam for 9/11 and argues that it is a hate-driven religion. He’s convinced he’s on God’s side, even though he is getting little support from other Christians, who believe that Jesus is the Prince of Peace.

General David Petraeus, our military commander in Afghanistan, strongly condemned Mr. Jones’ plan, arguing it would be provocative, make his fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan more difficult, and further jeopardize the lives of American soldiers.

I agree! To blame of all Muslims for the atrocities of 9/11 only makes things worse – especially since it wasn’t the Taliban of Afghanistan that committed the atrocities on 9/11. Under Jones’ warped logic, we should have attacked Saudi Arabia, since 15 of the 19 suicide bombers came from that country.

But while I am pleased to see General Petraeus recognize the danger of one type of incitement, he unfortunately fails to see the whole picture and understand that our policies of torture, targeted assassination, invasion of Muslim countries, and unintended infliction of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are also provocative. Pictures of victims of torture as well as innocent people killed by drones and stray bombs, are every bit as bad as burning the Quran.

In some ways, what Jones is doing may be minor compared to the resentment toward us as a consequence of what our government has done to thousands of innocent victims.

As I have said time and time again, Osama bin Laden wins by ‘proving’ that America is an enemy of Islam and has an occupation agenda in the Middle East. And we continue to walk into his trap and hand him up his best recruitment tool in his efforts to provoke hatred and terrorism against the United States.

If we don’t want to incite radical Islamists, we need to stop these un-needed wars. It is high time we came to our senses, brought our troops home to defend our country, and pursued a Constitutional, pro-American foreign policy.

Cave Johnson
09-08-2010, 10:45 AM
As or more stupid....than building a mosque on ground zero. :rolleyes:

Yes, Kotter, on ground zero.

talastan
09-08-2010, 10:51 AM
While it is well within their rights, and personally I could give two craps about how the muslims feel about it; I personally think anyone who burns books is a moran.

Saul Good
09-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Why not put a twist on this thing? They should gather up as many Korans as they can, start the bonfire, and not burn them. Instead, they should donate them to an underfunded mosque. They would get their point across while maybe building a little good will.

Jenson71
09-08-2010, 11:06 AM
As or more stupid....than building a mosque on ground zero. :rolleyes:

Add a few scoops of hatred to the stupidity of the former.

FishingRod
09-08-2010, 11:27 AM
It is at best the same thing as when people burn Harry Potter Books or Beatles Albums because they think that somehow shows the strength of their faith. In reality it just brings attention to the opposite side of the argument and increases the sales of those items. It is just giving some bulletin board material to help motivate the other team. While I don't think it should be against the law to burn the Koran, the Bible the flag of a country or have a BBQ with a White Buffalo as the main course, they are just stupid jackass things to do.

Brainiac
09-08-2010, 11:34 AM
Yes, Kotter, on ground zero.
It's 176 yards away. That's too close.

patteeu
09-08-2010, 12:04 PM
How is it the same? Is the mosque destroying another religion? And the shadow of ground zero? you can't even see ground zero from the mosque. I bet you lock your doors when you see black people.

Neither of them destroy another religion. Both involve private property. Both are acts that are arguably protected by the constitution. Both are offensive to large numbers of people. Both will create a greater divide between islam and the west rather than bring mutual understanding. Both involve somewhat shady characters.

If the twin towers were still there, you'd be able to see them.

The only black people I can remember seeing in my neighborhood were Jehovah's Witnesses who are pretty non-threatening, but the fact is that I always lock my door so you got me there.

blaise
09-08-2010, 12:17 PM
How young is too young to attend a Quran burning?

bevischief
09-08-2010, 12:45 PM
Burning any books is a bad idea. Religious or not.

bevischief
09-08-2010, 12:45 PM
How young is too young to attend a Quran burning?

:D

Chief Faithful
09-08-2010, 12:47 PM
Just like the Mosque in NYC, they may have the rights to do it, but not a good idea.

Mr. Kotter
09-08-2010, 12:54 PM
Add a few scoops of hatred to the stupidity of the former.

You seen the youtube-viral video of hate spewed by the Iman who wants to build near ground zero, have you? Both sides seem to possess plenty of "hate," here.

orange
09-08-2010, 01:03 PM
You seen the youtube-viral video of hate spewed by the Iman who wants to build near ground zero, have you? Both sides seem to possess plenty of "hate," here.

Speaking for me - No. I haven't seen any such thing. I've seen some overwrought screeching here about a lecture where he said Middle Easterners don't like America much, but you'll have to tell me the "hate" that he "spewed."


p.s. Here's the thread. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=232399

Don't click on the last page. Dylan posted something that broke it and might crash your browser.

Captain Obvious
09-08-2010, 01:12 PM
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Inspector
09-08-2010, 01:59 PM
I think seasoned oak logs will burn longer and provide more heat. But then, I've never really compared so who knows...

Jenson71
09-08-2010, 03:05 PM
You seen the youtube-viral video of hate spewed by the Iman who wants to build near ground zero, have you? Both sides seem to possess plenty of "hate," here.

Link, please.

go bowe
09-08-2010, 03:12 PM
I saw this military guy on CNN who served in Iraq. He said Al Qeda would burn Qurans in Baghdad & then blame it on Americans to incite violence & gain recruits. So now we have folks here at home fixin' to do AQ's work for them. Bin Hidin is rubbing his hands with glee. General Petraeus sez it will generate a deadly backlash against our troops on the ground in Afghanistan and would be welcomed by Islamic extremists for its propaganda value. Our boys' job is tough enough as it is without us undermining their efforts & further endangering their lives. Lets work with them - not against them.this...

blaise
09-08-2010, 03:18 PM
The sad thing is that the more people in the media that publicly condemn this, the more publicity this gets, which seems to be what he wants.

alnorth
09-08-2010, 05:36 PM
My thoughts? I am fine with this. As a matter of fact, I am more than fine with this, I'd like to see more of it. Dramatically more, but not for the reasons most would have.

In my opinion all religions are crazy. Some christian group pissed you off and they hold their science-fiction book in high esteem? Burn those bibles, that ought to show em. (It wont, but maybe it'll make you feel better) Some jewish group has you enraged? Get a group together and have a Da'at Miqra barbeque. You hate some of those mouthy smug know-it-all atheists? Well, we don't really have a book, but if you burn a big pile of physics textbooks that will probably get on their nerves.

Somehow the muslims are above criticism. We cant talk about how nutty their religion is because they might get mad. Did you hear about that Danish cartoonist who was attacked? Scary stuff, we'd all better tread lightly there. Cant burn a Qur'an because a few more soldiers might die. (dont see how, what is going to change?)

You know what General? Thanks for your service, I wish you luck in continuing to help our troops survive, but this issue is bigger than you. Go back to Afghanistan and shut up. If a few more soldiers die, so be it, it isn't our fault, place the blame where it belongs.

I've always thought protests in general were silly anyway (protest as in marching down the street, holding signs, and yelling), it doesn't ever convince me to support or oppose anything, but it is an enshrined sacred right in our country. No one has the right not be to angry or made fun of. If I want to tell a tasteless muslim joke or burn some stupid book I haven't read, not only should I have the right, but I don't even want to hear any whiny protests about it from the government. (I dont have any tasteless jokes in mind, but still) You sure as hell dont bother defending christians or atheists when they are offended, why are muslims so damned special?

orange
09-08-2010, 05:42 PM
Personally, I'd just say....better that money goes to mission work in Mexico City or a youth trip to Yellowstone fund the Jones' little cult school Dove World Outreach Academy, where the students are sequestered from the outside world and work for no wages packing furniture for TS and Company, which is owned by Terry and Sylvia Jones.

Who says?

No less an authority than his daughter:

His estranged daughter by his first wife has given a different take on why he and his second wife Sylvia left Cologne. In an interview last year with the Gainesville Sun Emma Jones claimed that her father left after church members questioned his frequent dips into the church kitty for personal luxuries and salaries for his eBay business. She called the church a “cult,” saying parishioners were persuaded to give up their belongings and work for his business, TS and Company.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-07/terry-jones-pastor-who-want-to-burn-qurans/full/

Crooked Christian Cultleader. Whodathunkit!?

much more: http://blogs.alternet.org/bettenoir/tag/dr-terry-jones/

The Mad Crapper
09-08-2010, 06:34 PM
Remember when moonbats had their panties in a bunch over the Koran in a urinal (the Koruniral)?

That never actually happened but yeah, they were whipped up into a frenzy over that shit.

LMAO

orange
09-08-2010, 06:47 PM
I’m on vacation and trying to unplug but the news can make that hard. I just read the story about the Florida church planning to burn copies of the Koran.

What is wrong with us? It’s just like the Ground Zero mosque plan. Does this church have the right? Yes. Should they? No. And not because of the potential backlash or violence. Simply because it is wrong. The more I reflect on what happened on 8/28 the more I realize the amazing power of GOOD.

We must be the better person. We must be bigger than our problems. Bigger than the times in which we live. Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible. You can do it, but whose heart will you change by doing it? You will only harden the hearts of those who could be moved. None of those who are thinking about killing us will be affected, but our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened. It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder.

Let us rise above the current levels and elevate ourselves and our country. The only thing this act would prove is that you CAN burn a Koran. I didn’t know America was in doubt on that fact. Let’s prove to each other that while there are many things we can do, there are maybe many more things that we choose not to do.

Name-That-Pundit

orange
09-08-2010, 06:50 PM
Koran Burning Is Insensitive, Unnecessary; Pastor Jones, Please Stand Down

Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.

Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?

Name-That-Pundit II

alnorth
09-08-2010, 06:53 PM
I'm gonna guess a couple right-wing talk radio hosts? At least one of them is probably Beck.

I pretty much hold the exact opposite view. We should not care about the New York Mosque and we should not care about some nut preacher burning some books. People get mad about it, not for any logical reason, but because of "tact" or symbolism.

Screw symbolism. Symbolism is basically a socially acceptable form of voodoo. You want to burn a book? I might laugh at you, but go for it. You want to build a mosque right on the top floor of the new tower that eventually gets built in New York with a big huge crescent on top? Fine, if it is approved and zoned for it, superstitious buildings where religious people tell each other fairy tales and brainwash children aren't illegal.

orange
09-08-2010, 06:59 PM
Meanwhile, back to this particular point.

Where IS Sarah's tweet, anyway? Not that I expect anything from Lazio, but these national politicians who've weighed in against the "Ground Zero" "Mosque" - shouldn't they see this as a golden opportunity to make a point that they're not anti-Islam? What's holding them back?

Maybe they know their constituents too well. Or perhaps the opposite - they're waiting for their polling.

8-27-2010



...

On Tuesday, MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann called on Republican politicians to speak out against the Koran-burning rally, pointing to silence from Florida Senate Candidate Marco Rubio and a "no comment" response from a spokesman for George W. Bush.

"Total silence today from Sarah Palin, Senate Leader Mitch McConnell, House Leader John Boehner, House Whip Eric Cantor, Sen. John McCain," Olbermann said, urging conservatives to speak up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/09/08/2010-09-08_sarah_palin_glenn_beck_speak_out_against_pastor_terry_jones_plans_to_burn_the_ko.html#ixzz0yzPqzi O7

9-7-2010

Okay, I admit I don't have QUITE the pull of Keith Olbermann, but I'm thinking ten days ahead of him.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 07:03 PM
...

On Tuesday, MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann called on Republican politicians to speak out against the Koran-burning rally, pointing to silence from Florida Senate Candidate Marco Rubio and a "no comment" response from a spokesman for George W. Bush.

"Total silence today from Sarah Palin, Senate Leader Mitch McConnell, House Leader John Boehner, House Whip Eric Cantor, Sen. John McCain," Olbermann said, urging conservatives to speak up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/09/08/2010-09-08_sarah_palin_glenn_beck_speak_out_against_pastor_terry_jones_plans_to_burn_the_ko.html#ixzz0yzPqzi O7

9-7-2010

Okay, I admit I don't have QUITE the pull of Keith Olbermann, but I'm thinking ten days ahead of him.

Palin: Koran burning is 'unnecessary provocation'
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.b4764205bad504ae78f7ea68148cb528.b81&show_article=1

Former US vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on Wednesday condemned a small Florida church's planned Koran burning ceremony as an "insensitive and an unnecessary provocation."
"Book burning is antithetical to American ideals," Palin, a possible Republican contender for the White House in 2012, said in a post on her Facebook page.

"People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation -- much like building a mosque at Ground Zero," said the former Alaska governor.

She was comparing the evangelical Christian Dove World Outreach Center's plans to torch Islam's holy book on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist strikes to plans to build a community center to include a mosque some two blocks from the site of the attacks in New York City.

Palin urged the Koran burning organizer, Pastor Terry Jones, to reconsider the possible effects of their planned gesture, which has drawn expressions of outrage from around the globe.

"It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire," she said.

"If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive."

Palin noted the importance of freedom of religion in the United States and warned against "unnecessarily provoking strife."


Olberman is a ****ing idiot.

orange
09-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Palin: Koran burning is 'unnecessary provocation'
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.b4764205bad504ae78f7ea68148cb528.b81&show_article=1


Olberman is a ****ing idiot.

Look at the date on that Palin message - the SAME message I posted above in #75. Now compare that to the date of Olbermann's challenge.

ROFL

Simply put:

Olbermann - "Speak!"
Palin - "Woof!"

petegz28
09-08-2010, 07:14 PM
Look at the date on that Palin message - the SAME message I posted above in #75. Now compare that to the date of Olbermann's challenge.

ROFL

BFD. Olberman is still an idiot. His bullshit that he spews and you obviously want to believe are just that, BS. Fuck him, fuck MSNBC, fuck these appeasers, fuck the Quran burners, fuck the Muslims, fuck them all.

I am so sick of the label of religion being used as a shield for any an everything. Islam is nothing more than a form of violence, discrimination and control of the people hidden behind the word "religion". Our flags are burned all the fucking time by muslims. Innocent people are murdered everyday by non-combat muslims. Women are treated like total shit by muslims. Muslim combatants use their religion as an excuse to threaten, attack and murder people everyday. Innocent people have had their heads sawed off with a knife by muslims in the name of their religion. I don't condone the burning of the Quran but perhaps muslims should take it upon themselves and address why people would want to do such a thing?

Instead we get threats and murders if someone even makes a fucking joke about Allah. Fuck them. We aren't supposed to do anything in fear of offending the muslims.

If this happens then Obama can get on his high horse and go apologize for the country again. :rolleyes:

Sure-Oz
09-08-2010, 07:18 PM
Stupid, but wtf can you do? I am not going to get pissed about it

ChiefaRoo
09-08-2010, 08:21 PM
Is that dumbass Sportscaster still on the air?

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 08:26 PM
BFD. Olberman is still an idiot. His bullshit that he spews and you obviously want to believe are just that, BS. **** him, **** MSNBC, **** these appeasers, **** the Quran burners, **** the Muslims, **** them all.

I am so sick of the label of religion being used as a shield for any an everything. Islam is nothing more than a form of violence, discrimination and control of the people hidden behind the word "religion". Our flags are burned all the ****ing time by muslims. Innocent people are murdered everyday by non-combat muslims. Women are treated like total shit by muslims. Muslim combatants use their religion as an excuse to threaten, attack and murder people everyday. Innocent people have had their heads sawed off with a knife by muslims in the name of their religion. I don't condone the burning of the Quran but perhaps muslims should take it upon themselves and address why people would want to do such a thing?

Instead we get threats and murders if someone even makes a ****ing joke about Allah. **** them. We aren't supposed to do anything in fear of offending the muslims.

If this happens then Obama can get on his high horse and go apologize for the country again. :rolleyes:

What do you want anyone to do about this?

I guess I don't understand where you are going with your ranting. Other than some muslims do stupid and terrible shit. Which we all knew.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:30 PM
Is that dumbass Sportscaster still on the air?

He is an appeaser. Just like most on the Left when it comes to this shit. Again, I don't condone burning the Quran, I think it is pointless and classless. That being said however, I am sick and tired of being told that no matter what we do we are going to offend the muslims in some way. They go rioting in the streets any time their feelings are hurt. They slam America, they slame Western culture. they murder people because they are thin-skinned and we are supposed to coddle them? Fuck that. If they are such the religion of peace then they would be telling their own not to resort to violence and not to be offended but rather be tolerant of a group of morons the same as they expect us to be when their select few engage in terrorism. Instead they use this as an excuse to egnage in more killing.

They are the thinnest-skinned people I have ever seen. I have seen Christians get upset because they feel they are being treated unfairly. I have seen some, Fred Phelps, engage in down right idiotic behavior and say mean and nasty things to people. But I don't recall in recent history anyway where a group of Christians took to the streets with threats of violence because they feel their religion was disrespected.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:36 PM
What do you want anyone to do about this?

I guess I don't understand where you are going with your ranting. Other than some muslims do stupid and terrible shit. Which we all knew.

I am saying the Quran burners should be ignored and the muslims that feel so offended need to get thicker skin. If we live our lives in fear of offending muslims then we all might as well convert. If we are going to chastise people and make a public spectacle of idiotic behavior then we need to grow thicker skin.

Personally, I give this Pasture props for having the balls to do what he is doing, if he goes through with it that is. I wouldn't do it. I think it serves little purpose. But I have to admire the spine of someone not backing down to the cliche argument we get anymore of "we might offend the muslims". If they get so irate about this that they feel they need to engage in violence because of a group of idiots then they are hardly the religion of peace that they so often like to say they are.


It isn't like this Pasture is organizing a group of people to fly airliners into mosques in Iran or Pakistan or anything.

Mile High Mania
09-08-2010, 08:37 PM
It's a stupid stunt by the church... I would not be a part of any christian church that does something like this (or even talks about it). It's silly and there is no positive to be gained.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:38 PM
It's a stupid stunt by the church... I would not be a part of any christian church that does something like this (or even talks about it). It's silly and there is no positive to be gained.

I disagree. I think there is a hidden gem in this albeit a very stupid way to uncover said gem.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 08:40 PM
I am saying the Quran burners should be ignored and the muslims that feel so offended need to get thicker skin. If we live our lives in fear of offending muslims then we all might as well convert. If we are going to chastise people and make a public spectacle of idiotic behavior then we need to grow thicker skin.

Personally, I give this Pasture props for having the balls to do what he is doing, if he goes through with it that is. I wouldn't do it. I think it serves little purpose. But I have to admire the spine of someone not backing down to the cliche argument we get anymore of "we might offend the muslims". If they get so irate about this that they feel they need to engage in violence because of a group of idiots then they are hardly the religion of peace that they so often like to say they are.


It isn't like this Pasture is organizing a group of people to fly airliners into mosques in Iran or Pakistan or anything.

So we should ignore them? You have talked about this more than anyone in DC.

I think you are overplaying the "we are scared to offend them" bit. I do agree we should do what is right for us not based on the reactions of reactionary people. But I don't think that is the reason most people are not crazy about the actions of this church.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 08:40 PM
I disagree. I think there is a hidden gem in this albeit a very stupid way to uncover said gem.

This is stupid.

Jerm
09-08-2010, 08:42 PM
They should torch the PNAC documents while they're at it...

HonestChieffan
09-08-2010, 08:43 PM
This turd has like 30 members of his "church". Media made a mountain out of this molehill? Mohammed the Islamic Pig would draw a bigger crowd.

Jerm
09-08-2010, 08:45 PM
This turd has like 30 members of his "church". Media made a mountain out of this molehill? Mohammed the Islamic Pig would draw a bigger crowd.

It's just some fucking dumbshit looking for attention and surprise, surprise he's getting it. :shake:

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:46 PM
This is stupid.

No it is not stupid. It is a stupid way to go about it but it is not stupid. When people are threatened or even murdered because someone makes a joke about Islam then it is time to stand up and say what needs to be said. Again, I wouldn't go about it in the way these morons are but that doesn't change my point.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:48 PM
It's just some ****ing dumbshit looking for attention and surprise, surprise he's getting it. :shake:

And that is the sad part. On both sides. We are so afraid a group of 30 people are going to incite so much violence with a non-violent act. The muslims are so offended by a non-violent though insulting act by a group of 30 dimrods.

It shows what pussies we have become and exposes the muslims for what intolerant, thin-skinned people they are. Those who choose to make an issue of it that is.

Jerm
09-08-2010, 08:51 PM
And that is the sad part. On both sides. We are so afraid a group of 30 people are going to incite so much violence with a non-violent act. The muslims are so offended by a non-violent though insulting act by a group of 30 dimrods.

It shows what pussies we have become and exposes the muslims for what intolerant, thin-skinned people they are. Those who choose to make an issue of it that is.

I get what you're saying...what pisses me off is that this dumbass is using 9/11 as an excuse to do this, it's a sham.

You wanna burn a Quran? Whatever I guess...makes no sense to me, do it without making such a scene.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 08:54 PM
No it is not stupid. It is a stupid way to go about it but it is not stupid. When people are threatened or even murdered because someone makes a joke about Islam then it is time to stand up and say what needs to be said. Again, I wouldn't go about it in the way these morons are but that doesn't change my point.

It doesn't do anything to change what you want changed.

This is like saying the Chiefs are gonna change if I keep ranting about it enough on a message board.

They can do what they want. But you trying to prop it up as some amazing noble thing really rings hollow.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:58 PM
It doesn't do anything to change what you want changed.

This is like saying the Chiefs are gonna change if I keep ranting about it enough on a message board.

They can do what they want. But you trying to prop it up as some amazing noble thing really rings hallow.

I never said it was amazing nor noble. I said I give the Pasture props for nothing more than having the balls to do it after all the threats and such if he goes through with it.

It's the same as South Park telling them to fuck off about their jokes about Islam. Then the Comedy Channel shut it down out of fear. This is what these people want. This is how they get their way.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 08:59 PM
I get what you're saying...what pisses me off is that this dumbass is using 9/11 as an excuse to do this, it's a sham.

You wanna burn a Quran? Whatever I guess...makes no sense to me, do it without making such a scene.

Personally, if I wanted to make a true spectacle out of buring a Quran, I would wait until the victory mosque is built then burn it down with flaming Qurans. It has much more drama and theater to it.

Sure-Oz
09-08-2010, 09:00 PM
The PASTOR is a dumbass for doing it, and wasting his time. Alot of dumbfucks in this world.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:02 PM
I never said it was amazing nor noble. I said I give the Pasture props for nothing more than having the balls to do it after all the threats and such if he goes through with it.

It's the same as South Park telling them to **** off about their jokes about Islam. Then the Comedy Channel shut it down out of fear. This is what these people want. This is how they get their way.

I think they get their way by us being so reactionary and doing the kind of stupid shit they do. Personally...I would hope my own church would be above this kind of thing.

I think being above this silliness is a win.

As much as you don't want us to do this and that based on what they do...it seems that is EXACTLY what you are throwing your support behind.

Sure-Oz
09-08-2010, 09:02 PM
"Burn A Koran Day is the worst idea I've heard since putting Death Star plans onto an easily-stolen computer file." about 9 hours ago via web ShitmyDarthSays

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Here is something I was trying to touch on when I replied way earlier in this thread. This seems to be the difference between you and me.

You see all of these things parts of this culture does and it infuriates you. Stuff like they want to build a a mosque here but they would never let us build a Christian Church in the same manner...and other examples...they do this and this and this...

For me? I see what we do and the differences in how we go about our business and I feel nothing but proud. I don't know what differentiates us from them pisses you off so much.

We do things better. Be satisfied.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:10 PM
I think they get their way by us being so reactionary and doing the kind of stupid shit they do. Personally...I would hope my own church would be above this kind of thing.

I think being above this silliness is a win.

As much as you don't want us to do this and that based on what they do...it seems that is EXACTLY what you are throwing your support behind.

I am throwing my support behind the idea of telling Islam to fuck off. I think there are better ways to do it, however. I really hate to tell them to fuck off but I dispise that religion and I use the word religion very, very loosley. I see how they treat their own. I see how they treat women. I see how they use the Quran to incite hatred and violence. I have no love for anything that does such, religion or not. I see the Islamification going on in Europe and they are trying to do it here as well.

HonestChieffan
09-08-2010, 09:11 PM
Personally, if I wanted to make a true spectacle out of buring a Quran, I would wait until the victory mosque is built then burn it down with flaming Qurans. It has much more drama and theater to it.

Now you are on to something.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:17 PM
I am throwing my support behind the idea of telling Islam to **** off. I think there are better ways to do it, however. I really hate to tell them to **** off but I dispise that religion and I use the word religion very, very loosley. I see how they treat their own. I see how they treat women. I see how they use the Quran to incite hatred and violence. I have no love for anything that does such, religion or not. I see the Islamification going on in Europe and they are trying to do it here as well.

You are doing exactly what you are telling other people not to do. You are the reactionary doing the dance because of the stupid shit they do.

This is a big deal because people like you are making it a big deal...something it absolutely isn't.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:18 PM
You just want to be silly and emote. More power to your shallow power plays.

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:18 PM
You are doing exactly what you are telling other people not to do. You are the reactionary doing the dance because of the stupid shit they do.

This is a big deal because people like you are making it a big deal...something it absolutely isn't.

So was it reactionary to be intolerant of Hitler??? I am just curious? Or should we had let him go about his business singing the tune of how much better we are than him?

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:19 PM
You just want to be silly and emote. More power to your shallow power plays.

You just want to put words in the mouths of people. That is emote and shallow.

Chiefshrink
09-08-2010, 09:21 PM
I'm surprised the MSMarxist Press hasn't tried putting a Tea Party label on this guy yet. But wait, that will probably come after the bonfire. Look for the "Tea Party" label after this event. Count on it!!!!:thumb: Radical Anarchist WH and Marxist Press have been waiting for a guy like this to show up in order to "demonize" conservatives. But it won't work IMO.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:23 PM
So was it reactionary to be intolerant of Hitler??? I am just curious? Or should we had let him go about his business singing the tune of how much better we are than him?

Oh hey Godwin's Law.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:25 PM
http://snebold.com/work/images/portfolio/Eagle_Emblem_Sm_Final.jpg

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:27 PM
http://snebold.com/work/images/portfolio/Eagle_Emblem_Sm_Final.jpg

As much as I don't like playing World Police, I also think of all the money people want from us whenever something bad happens to them.

RJ
09-08-2010, 09:29 PM
He could burn as many as he wanted and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if the media didn't report it. God forbid the dumbass gets ignored, right?

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:30 PM
He could burn as many as he wanted and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if the media didn't report it. God forbid the dumbass gets ignored, right?

We have to be polticially correct in codemning him for such an offensive act that might make the muslims start to hate us. :eek:

Sure-Oz
09-08-2010, 09:32 PM
For the record, i don't hate you pete even if you got a fire lit under your ass tonight

petegz28
09-08-2010, 09:35 PM
For the record, i don't hate you pete even if you got a fire lit under your ass tonight

Meh. I think what gets me so rowled about it is the constant mantra of "we are going to offend the muslims". I get so sick of hearing that. It seems we have come to a point where we have to go out of our way not to offend them and that is what really burns my ass over the whole thing. As well as the way they get so enraged over the littlest and dumbest of things. I think this Pasture is a moron. But I am also at the end of my rope with this coddling of muslims out of fear we might offend them.

|Zach|
09-08-2010, 09:42 PM
Meh. I think what gets me so rowled about it is the constant mantra of "we are going to offend the muslims". I get so sick of hearing that. It seems we have come to a point where we have to go out of our way not to offend them and that is what really burns my ass over the whole thing. As well as the way they get so enraged over the littlest and dumbest of things. I think this Pasture is a moron. But I am also at the end of my rope with this coddling of muslims out of fear we might offend them.

Have you in your life...or anyone you know in their own lives had to actually go out of their way not to offend a muslim?

RJ
09-08-2010, 09:45 PM
We have to be polticially correct in codemning him for such an offensive act that might make the muslims start to hate us. :eek:


The hatred and ignorance required for a book burning might make for great reality television but I think in this instance the media could make an exception. What with the tens of thousands of American troops serving in Islamic countries and all.

Sadly, the dumb shits who want to do the burning were smart enough to know that they'd get all the attention they could want, which of course is why they're doing it. I'm pretty sure if no cameras were available they wouldn't bother with any Quran burning.

Chiefshrink
09-08-2010, 10:04 PM
http://snebold.com/work/images/portfolio/Eagle_Emblem_Sm_Final.jpg

Hey Zach, I love the eagle pic because I interpret it as America destroying socialist turds around the world that want to destroy us.

It's all in the eye of the beholder now isn't it??????????????????:D

Silock
09-08-2010, 10:10 PM
Those people are fucking retarded, but it's their right to be fucking retarded. It's like the KKK.

BucEyedPea
09-09-2010, 03:01 AM
They should torch the PNAC documents while they're at it...

I think that's a GREAT idea! Include " A Clean Break."

I thought Bush said we weren't at war with Islam too. Whatever happened to AlQaeda, the Taliban and Terror being the enemy.

BucEyedPea
09-09-2010, 03:03 AM
This turd has like 30 members of his "church". Media made a mountain out of this molehill? Mohammed the Islamic Pig would draw a bigger crowd.

Well there you go, it's really a hatred of Islam that motivates you not defense of America. Did you know this pastor rallies with Westboro Baptist Church too?

Deberg_1990
09-09-2010, 08:43 AM
I dont really give two cents what this Pastor does with the books. Not what i would do, but Its his right.

I just pray no violence comes about because of it. I will agree with Pete. Its time we stop being so scared and fearful of a few extremist threats. Stop letting them dictate to us what we can and cant do.

|Zach|
09-09-2010, 08:45 AM
I dont really give two cents what this Pastor does with the books. Not what i would do, but Its his right.

I just pray no violence comes about because of it. I will agree with Pete. Its time we stop being so scared and fearful of a few extremist threats. Stop letting them dictate to us what we can and cant do.

WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU DO IT! BUT STOP DICTATING WHAT WE CAN AND CANT DO!

I HOPE NO VIOLENCE COMES FROM THIS! STOP BEING SO SCARED BECAUSE OF EXTREMEIST THREATS!

You guys are confusing as hell.

ROYC75
09-09-2010, 08:48 AM
Well there you go, it's really a hatred of Islam that motivates you not defense of America. Did you know this pastor rallies with Westboro Baptist Church too?

Well, you know what the left nut said to the right nut ?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sRmsMxbXMe87EM:http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/img/photos/2009/01/23/ObamaPelosi.jpg

ROYC75
09-09-2010, 08:52 AM
WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU DO IT! BUT STOP DICTATING WHAT WE CAN AND CANT DO!

I HOPE NO VIOLENCE COMES FROM THIS! STOP BEING SO SCARED BECAUSE OF EXTREMEIST THREATS!

You guys are confusing as hell.

As nutty as they are, it's their freedom of rights speech.

We just have to look at them and shake our heads, turn the other way until it gets violent and then take action.

Jerm
09-09-2010, 09:54 AM
I think that's a GREAT idea! Include " A Clean Break."

I thought Bush said we weren't at war with Islam too. Whatever happened to AlQaeda, the Taliban and Terror being the enemy.

This guy is using 9/11 as an excuse to do that...if he's really going to evoke that day, he might as well get all the guilty parties at once. :thumb:

patteeu
09-09-2010, 12:24 PM
They should torch the PNAC documents while they're at it...

The neocons are behind this quran burning incident. The memory of their inside job on 9/11 hasn't been enough to sustain our appetite for muslim blood so they came up with this idea to stoke the mutual hatred at Richard Perle's house a couple of months ago.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VPXmxeZVJUY/StNYEbaZ19I/AAAAAAAAA1g/vnW_2Ta9Mn4/s400/tinfoilhat.jpg

BucEyedPea
09-09-2010, 01:20 PM
This guy is using 9/11 as an excuse to do that...if he's really going to evoke that day, he might as well get all the guilty parties at once. :thumb:

Careful, the truly delusional will accuse you of conspiracy theory eventhough these documents are no secret! Orwellian Newspeak and Doublethink at play here. Just misuse the words. ROFL

Frazod
09-09-2010, 01:44 PM
Is this an ignorant thing to do? Sure. But the people who will scream outrage over it are the same ones who are already outraged over the last 1,000 things they got outraged over. The only reason they aren't already wiping their asses with pages from the bible is because they use their hands for that kind of thing.

When somebody on our side slowly saws an Al Jazeera reporter's head off in front of a video camera and posts it on the internet, give me a call. Personally, I don't give a shit how many qurans they burn.

HC_Chief
09-09-2010, 01:46 PM
I believe it will result in many target-rich environments that we will be too cowardly to clusterbomb. ;)

orange
09-09-2010, 01:59 PM
When somebody on our side slowly saws an Al Jazeera reporter's head off in front of a video camera and posts it on the internet, give me a call. Personally, I don't give a shit how many qurans they burn.

Christians would never do anything like that. We're pure.

http://www.kosovo.net/fascist1.jpg

http://www.gendercide.org/images/pics/kosovo1.jpg

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM1.RACAK.BODIES.JPG

Iowanian
09-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Orange hates her some whitey.

Frazod
09-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Christians would never do anything like that. We're pure.

Please don't mistake me for an idiot. I'm not exactly a fan of organized religion in general, and I realize there are plenty of whackos out there doing all kinds of evil shit in the name of [insert your deity of preference here]. However, most of these things are not being done by our own whackos.

orange
09-09-2010, 02:12 PM
Please don't mistake me for an idiot.

I try not to. I think my rebuke was fairly mild.

You do realize you're in the company of idiots on this thread, though, I'm sure. Like the one who posted between us.

Frazod
09-09-2010, 02:26 PM
I try not to. I think my rebuke was fairly mild.

You do realize you're in the company of idiots on this thread, though, I'm sure. Like the one who posted between us.

We're in the company of all sorts of idiots here. I tend to dislike the extreme ones on both sides.

I mainly don't give a shit about this. Anybody who would hate us over this already hates us. It's not like some kid watching this act (which is CLEARLY not sanctioned by our government) is going to see a handful of morons burn a book and think, "Dammit, I'm outraged! Fucking infidels! I think I'll go shoot up the mall!" If he's angry enough to shoot up a mall, chances are that ship sailed long ago.

go bowe
09-09-2010, 02:32 PM
You just want to be silly and emote. More power to your shallow power plays.don't be gettin' down on silly...

silly helps make the planet go round... :) :) :)

go bowe
09-09-2010, 02:35 PM
I'm surprised the MSMarxist Press hasn't tried putting a Tea Party label on this guy yet. But wait, that will probably come after the bonfire. Look for the "Tea Party" label after this event. Count on it!!!!:thumb: Radical Anarchist WH and Marxist Press have been waiting for a guy like this to show up in order to "demonize" conservatives. But it won't work IMO.i heard the guy was the secret chairperson of the tea party in florida...

and that he tired to fuck sara palin...

or was it john mccain?

Chiefnj2
09-09-2010, 02:39 PM
9-11 should be a day to remember those who lost their lives in a series of terrorist attacks. Not a day to focus on the misguided actions of an ignorant "pastor" and the effect his actions have on a bunch of mongrel dogs.

KC-Red
09-09-2010, 02:40 PM
1. It's an asshole thing to do.
2. It's their right.
3. Anyone that supports this as being their right has no excuse for not supporting someone else's right to burn the flag (U.S. or any other), build a mosque, burn a bible, sit during the National Anthem, Nazis marching, whatever.

ROYC75
09-09-2010, 03:09 PM
Being reported on the air waves now.

ROYC75
09-09-2010, 03:41 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning



GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The minister of a Florida church said he has canceled plans to burn copies of the Quran because the leader of a much-opposed plan to build an Islamic Center near ground zero has agreed to move its location. The agreement couldn't be immediately confirmed.

The Rev. Terry Jones said Thursday that Americans oppose the mosque being built at the location and that Muslims do not want the Quran burned. He said instead of his plan to burn the books on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11, he will be flying to New York to speak to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf about moving the mosque.

"We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans," Jones said during a news conference. We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it."

President Barack Obama, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan and several Christian leaders had urged Jones to reconsider his plans to burn the Quran, Islam's holiest text that Muslims consider sacred. They said his actions would endanger U.S. soldiers and provide a strong recruitment tool for Islamic extremists. Jones' protest also drew criticism from religious and political leaders from across the Muslim world.

Jones said Imam Muhammad Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida told him that officials would guarantee that the mosque would be moved.

"I asked him three times, and I have witnesses," Jones said. "If it's not moved, then I think Islam is a very poor example of religion. I think that would be very pitiful. I do not expect that."

Musri thanked Jones and his church members "for making the decision today to defuse the situation and bring to a positive end what has become the world over a spectacle that no one would benefit from except extremists and terrorists" who would use it to recruit future radicals.

petegz28
09-09-2010, 03:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning



GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The minister of a Florida church said he has canceled plans to burn copies of the Quran because the leader of a much-opposed plan to build an Islamic Center near ground zero has agreed to move its location. The agreement couldn't be immediately confirmed.

The Rev. Terry Jones said Thursday that Americans oppose the mosque being built at the location and that Muslims do not want the Quran burned. He said instead of his plan to burn the books on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11, he will be flying to New York to speak to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf about moving the mosque.

"We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans," Jones said during a news conference. We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it."

President Barack Obama, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan and several Christian leaders had urged Jones to reconsider his plans to burn the Quran, Islam's holiest text that Muslims consider sacred. They said his actions would endanger U.S. soldiers and provide a strong recruitment tool for Islamic extremists. Jones' protest also drew criticism from religious and political leaders from across the Muslim world.

Jones said Imam Muhammad Musri of the Islamic Society of Central Florida told him that officials would guarantee that the mosque would be moved.

"I asked him three times, and I have witnesses," Jones said. "If it's not moved, then I think Islam is a very poor example of religion. I think that would be very pitiful. I do not expect that."

Musri thanked Jones and his church members "for making the decision today to defuse the situation and bring to a positive end what has become the world over a spectacle that no one would benefit from except extremists and terrorists" who would use it to recruit future radicals.

This is being refuted. Supposedly he said he would call it off cause the Imam agreed to move the ground zero mosque. It has since been said that is not the case.

BIG_DADDY
09-09-2010, 04:39 PM
Who friggen cares? One more distraction from what's really going on in the world. Gotta love our media.

Hog Farmer
09-09-2010, 04:43 PM
Glad this thread came up. Reminds me I need to stop by Barnes & Noble tomorrow.

L.A. Chieffan
09-09-2010, 05:14 PM
Dude bitched out. What a pussy

orange
09-09-2010, 06:38 PM
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2010/09/09/11/09092010Morin.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

Farzin
09-09-2010, 08:21 PM
Shirley Phelps called this man out--Said on 9/11, she and her family will burn the Quran and an American flag...

Sure-Oz
09-09-2010, 11:14 PM
Shirley Phelps called this man out--Said on 9/11, she and her family will burn the Quran and an American flag...

:facepalm:

go bowe
09-09-2010, 11:54 PM
Shirley Phelps called this man out--Said on 9/11, she and her family will burn the Quran and an American flag...metaphorically speaking, i'd like to burn shirley and the whole shitload of the phelps clan at the stake...

surrounded by jeering fags...

alnorth
09-10-2010, 06:28 PM
I feel like I'm living in a south park cartoon. It is so comical that the world waits breathlessly for this crazy man's next act.

What in the world gave our government the idea that they should unite to badger this preacher into (possibly) cancelling, promising doom and gloom would happen if some books burn?

Ideally it would have been nice if the media ignored it, but since they didn't the genie is out of the bottle. You can not possibly convince over 300 million people to all simultaneously refrain from burning a book and posting the video. It is going to happen, probably Saturday, several times, over and over again, for the forseeable future until no one cares anymore.

If there are significant consequences for burning the book (#1 I simply do not believe it, #2 given the rest of the world burns our shit and we hold the right to burn our flag to be sacred, why should we care), then just accept it and figure out ways to deal with it.

The correct action would have been either absolutely no comment or reaction from the government at all, or the government to just simply say "we cant stop him, we wont bother to try, and the world is not going to change if a few books are burned"

Deberg_1990
09-10-2010, 08:39 PM
What in the world gave our government the idea that they should unite to badger this preacher into (possibly) cancelling, promising doom and gloom would happen if some books burn?



Because our government gets all pussified just at the thought of offending one Muslim. Its ridiculous....

These extremists have hated us for years...they are always going to hate us no matter what we do. This idea that we cant do anything to offend them because it might bring about more violence against Americans is a myth. Its not like if we dont offend them, they are going to stop being violent against us.

Jilly
09-10-2010, 09:35 PM
Please don't mistake me for an idiot. I'm not exactly a fan of organized religion in general, and I realize there are plenty of whackos out there doing all kinds of evil shit in the name of [insert your deity of preference here]. However, most of these things are not being done by our own whackos.

which is why I take issue with it....

sooo many people in our world take issue with the entire Muslim faith tradition because of the actions of their extremists, lumping them into the same category. Isn't that the danger, not just that Muslims would lump Christians into the same category, but even those who are of other faiths or non- faiths?

There's another "pastor" in Tennessee who is going to burn the Qu'ran as well..... what's next right?

I think it's their right to do so, I'm just pissed off about it because now there's yet another obstacle in helping people to see Christianity is not the ignorant faith it's often portrayed to be.

alnorth
09-10-2010, 09:38 PM
I think it's their right to do so, I'm just pissed off about it because now there's yet another obstacle in helping people to see Christianity is not the ignorant faith it's often portrayed to be.

Some muslims also burn bibles, burn american flags, and destroy crosses. It is just wood and dyed cloth. Stop worrying about it.

stevieray
09-10-2010, 09:43 PM
yet another obstacle in helping people to see Christianity is not the ignorant faith it's often portrayed to be.

honest question...does the same standard apply to a pastor wanting to see a katy perry sex tape?

IMO, both just point to a need for a Savior...not one of us is righteous

stevieray
09-10-2010, 09:46 PM
Some muslims also burn bibles, burn american flags, and destroy crosses. It is just wood and dyed cloth. Stop worrying about it.

Military pastors burned Bibles after Muslims in Afghanistan were offended.

Jilly
09-10-2010, 09:51 PM
honest question...does the same standard apply to a pastor wanting to see a katy perry sex tape?

IMO, both just point to a need for a Savior...not one of us is righteous

Yeah, I'm sure, it's completely horrible and definitely worth comparing to someone who burns a Qu'ran that a pastor actually be human and normal.

Honest question...does the same standard apply to a self proclaimed Christian wanting to see naked pics of Katy Perry, perusing a thread for that very reason? Or are you just stalking me?

stevieray
09-10-2010, 10:02 PM
Yeah, I'm sure, it's completely horrible and definitely worth comparing to someone who burns a Qu'ran that a pastor actually be human and normal.

Honest question...does the same standard apply to a self proclaimed Christian wanting to see naked pics of Katy Perry, perusing a thread for that very reason? Or are you just stalking me?

I didn't say it was horrible, I asked your opinion.

..is it something you would tell your congregation is normal? temptation hits us all.

...one of my daughters has mentioned katy perry, as a parent, it's my responsibilty to know who she is, and what she represents.like most here, there is a plethora of infromation on many subjects to be found on the planet.. If I need to see someone naked, I only have to go about twenty feet for that.

Stalking you? hardly..I simply asked an honest question.

Jilly
09-10-2010, 10:42 PM
I didn't say it was horrible, I asked your opinion.

..is it something you would tell your congregation is normal? temptation hits us all.

...one of my daughters has mentioned katy perry, as a parent, it's my responsibilty to know who she is, and what she represents.like most here, there is a plethora of infromation on many subjects to be found on the planet.. If I need to see someone naked, I only have to go about twenty feet for that.

Stalking you? hardly..I simply asked an honest question.

I have nothing to say to you. Honestly, nothing I say to you will ever make you believe any differently about me, so why bother.

stevieray
09-10-2010, 10:50 PM
I have nothing to say to you. Honestly, nothing I say to you will ever make you believe any differently about me, so why bother.

I think you're a great mom. I think being a pastor is an extremely difficult postion to hold. I also think that pastors do get put under the spotlight (right or wrong)., and people look up to them for a reason. This guy has a small congregation who is using the media to draw (negative) attention to himself. I agree with your assesment of a roadblock...his actions, as I've already stated, are dumb.

IIRC, 18k pastors quit each year...hard and challenging road.

L.A. Chieffan
09-10-2010, 11:16 PM
The guy has no balls. If you're gonna say you're gonna do it than do it. If I was in his parish I'd be pissed.

Pioli Zombie
09-11-2010, 04:43 AM
I feel like I'm living in a south park cartoon. It is so comical that the world waits breathlessly for this crazy man's next act.

What in the world gave our government the idea that they should unite to badger this preacher into (possibly) cancelling, promising doom and gloom would happen if some books burn?

Ideally it would have been nice if the media ignored it, but since they didn't the genie is out of the bottle. You can not possibly convince over 300 million people to all simultaneously refrain from burning a book and posting the video. It is going to happen, probably Saturday, several times, over and over again, for the forseeable future until no one cares anymore.

If there are significant consequences for burning the book (#1 I simply do not believe it, #2 given the rest of the world burns our shit and we hold the right to burn our flag to be sacred, why should we care), then just accept it and figure out ways to deal with it.

The correct action would have been either absolutely no comment or reaction from the government at all, or the government to just simply say "we cant stop him, we wont bother to try, and the world is not going to change if a few books are burned"
Then please, I don't want to hear any whining from Christians when someone urinates on a nativity scene or draws a picture of Jesus getting a blow job or a stack of King James Bibles gets burned by Satan worshippers in front of a church.

alnorth
09-11-2010, 10:00 AM
Then please, I don't want to hear any whining from Christians when someone urinates on a nativity scene or draws a picture of Jesus getting a blow job or a stack of King James Bibles gets burned by Satan worshippers in front of a church.

Well, first of all I dont care about religion at all so I agree. Secondly, this isn't really even comparable. We have INTERPOL ready to go with worldwide terrorism warnings if this preacher burns a few books from the front of his cheap steel church in Florida. We have foreign governments breathing sighs of relief at the reported cancellation.

We aren't talking some congressmen yelling from the floor of the house, some tv hosts weighing in, and some grouchy letters to the editor, the world is almost treating this with the seriousness of an underground nuclear test.

Pioli Zombie
09-11-2010, 12:32 PM
Well, first of all I dont care about religion at all so I agree. Secondly, this isn't really even comparable. We have INTERPOL ready to go with worldwide terrorism warnings if this preacher burns a few books from the front of his cheap steel church in Florida. We have foreign governments breathing sighs of relief at the reported cancellation.

We aren't talking some congressmen yelling from the floor of the house, some tv hosts weighing in, and some grouchy letters to the editor, the world is almost treating this with the seriousness of an underground nuclear test.
Ok let's live in the real. Terrorists will use this to blow up more things and recruit more terrorists. So is the answer to it throwing up your hands and saying it shouldn't be that way? Or is it wiser to refrain from the behavior you KNOW is going to make the situation worse.
Its all well and good for americans at their computer to say "those muslims are stupid. Fuck them". But in the real world their are things that literally result in things blowing up in our faces if we do them.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2010, 02:11 PM
Then please, I don't want to hear any whining from Christians when someone urinates on a nativity scene or draws a picture of Jesus getting a blow job or a stack of King James Bibles gets burned by Satan worshippers in front of a church.

I don't think this is comparable for many reasons. In addition to alnorth's post, I'd add Christians were not at war killing those who created such art. The people who created that kind of art were doing nothing more than dissing someone's religion for no reason other than they don't like it.

irishjayhawk
09-11-2010, 02:13 PM
Well, first of all I dont care about religion at all so I agree. Secondly, this isn't really even comparable. We have INTERPOL ready to go with worldwide terrorism warnings if this preacher burns a few books from the front of his cheap steel church in Florida. We have foreign governments breathing sighs of relief at the reported cancellation.

We aren't talking some congressmen yelling from the floor of the house, some tv hosts weighing in, and some grouchy letters to the editor, the world is almost treating this with the seriousness of an underground nuclear test.

It's really a rock and a hard place.

On the one hand, we have the "relief" argument where people are in danger worldwide. On the other hand, we have everyone caving to terrorists, which is their entire endgame.

Brock
09-11-2010, 02:18 PM
Ok let's live in the real. Terrorists will use this to blow up more things and recruit more terrorists. So is the answer to it throwing up your hands and saying it shouldn't be that way? Or is it wiser to refrain from the behavior you KNOW is going to make the situation worse.
Its all well and good for americans at their computer to say "those muslims are stupid. Fuck them". But in the real world their are things that literally result in things blowing up in our faces if we do them.

So freedom of speech goes out the window because you're afraid.

Pioli Zombie
09-11-2010, 02:24 PM
So freedom of speech goes out the window because you're afraid.
You are such a stupid dumb fuck. Sure Mr Macho. Show how "unafraid" you are. Who gives a shit that you do terrorists the biggest favor you possibly could so some dumbass can be a jackass.
Why don't you tell fire in a crowded theatre too.
The dumbass level in this forum and among right wingers is quite healthy.

Brock
09-11-2010, 02:28 PM
You are such a stupid dumb fuck. Sure Mr Macho. Show how "unafraid" you are. Who gives a shit that you do terrorists the biggest favor you possibly could so some dumbass can be a jackass.
Why don't you tell fire in a crowded theatre too.
The dumbass level in this forum and among right wingers is quite healthy.

The world must be a scary place for you.

J Diddy
09-11-2010, 02:34 PM
My two cents worth...

I can't understand why one church would try to pee on another's religion.

Just doesn't seem very church like to me.

alnorth
09-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Ok let's live in the real. Terrorists will use this to blow up more things and recruit more terrorists.

You think burning some books will make them angrier and cause them to kill/destroy things that would not have been killed or destroyed had the books not been burned?

First of all, I dont believe it. Prove it.

Second, even if they do, I frankly do not care. You want to let the mafia tell you how much protection money you should pay? Fine, you go right ahead. The rest of us should ignore them, and then blame them for any actions should it happen, followed by swift retribution.