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gblowfish
09-13-2010, 11:40 AM
Article from Union-Tribune in San Diego, written 9/7:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/07/chargers-scouting-report/

Chargers scouting report: Kansas City Chiefs
By Chris Jenkins, UNION-TRIBUNE

The Pats-ification of the Kansas City Chiefs enters its second regular season with even more of New England air about them. It’s in the DNA of their red blood (Par)cells, what with the hiring of Charlie Weis as offensive coordinator and Romeo Crennel as defensive coordinator by (ex-Pat) general manager Scott Pioli.

Even the venue where the Chargers have been playing once a year since 1972 has undergone a change, a renovation that cost $375 million, but Arrowhead Stadium hasn’t lost anything to diminish its reputation as perhaps the loudest stadium for visitors. The past few years, though, the noise has been driven more by local frustration with the Chiefs than the desire to drown out the opposing quarterback. In fact, the only game on the Chiefs home schedule that every seat is sold for is this opener.

For all the new faces and the new look, the Chiefs aren’t expected to be that much better than the K.C. squad that got off to a 1-7 start last year and hasn’t won more than four games in three seasons. But they did have a terrific draft and do feel like they’re finally heading in the right direction.

What better way for them to substantiate that belief by staging a major upset in their regular-season opener on "Monday Night Football?"

Three players to watch

Thomas Jones, RB: With the development of Jamaal Charles into one of the NFL’s best and most exciting young runners, you’d think the Chiefs would be happy to leave well enough alone in the backfield. But when the Jets essentially did a Tomlinson on esteemed veteran Thomas Jones, K.C. jumped on the chance to bring in his legs and leadership. Now the Chargers will have to split their focus in defense against the ground game, the strongsuit of the Chiefs offense.

Matt Cassel, QB: While seemingly every other quarterback in the NFL is winging the ball all over the place, there’s good reason to think Cassel might be handing off and pitching more than any other QB, and not just because the Chiefs are pretty well loaded with running backs (see above). There’s also the fact that Cassel threw the same number of interceptions (16) as touchdowns last year, and there’s little evidence yet that the Chiefs have solved the problems that got him sacked 42 times.

Eric Berry, SS: If the rookie from Tennessee does something big in his NFL debut _ and he’s a big-play artist _ the Chargers only have themselves to blame. Philip Rivers’ 600 yards and five touchdowns passing last year made it painfully clear to K.C. that it needed serious help in its secondary, and in using their fifth-overall pick on Berry, the Chiefs think they have the NFL’s newest version of Ed Reed.

Familiar faces

Chiefs wide receiver Chris Chambers was deemed one of the Chargers’ most dangerous players a year ago, but a lack of productivity and off-field issues got him cut and signed by Kansas City . Two of the Chargers’ current players, tight end Kris Wilson and defensive end Alfonso Boone, played for the Chiefs. So did the Chargers assistant secondary coach, Cris Dishman, and the San Diego staff includes former Chiefs coaches Charlie Joiner and Jeff Hurd. Chargers rookie safety Darrell Stuckey is a K.C. native who was drafted out of Kansas, also the alma mater of defensive mate James Holt, and running back Darren Sproles played at Kansas State after growing up in Olathe, Kan. The Chargers’ special-teams coach, Steve Crosby, is a Kansas native who played at Fort Hayes State.

Injury report

The Chiefs have had three players — tackle Ryan O’Callaghan, defensive end Alex Magee and linebacker Cameron Sheffield — withheld from practice due to injuries and haven’t detailed their status for the opener. There were reports of a player being taken away from the Chiefs complex by ambulance Monday, but while head coach Todd Haley wouldn’t confirm such an incident, he suggested that something might have happened to one of the three aforementioned players. O’Callahan and Magee were spotted by the Kansas City media after the practice.

Series history

This could be the game where the Chargers finally catch up to the Chiefs, though San Diego’s had to win the last five meetings, six of seven and nine of 12 just to cut the K.C. lead in the overall series to 50-49-1. The Chargers had their share of close calls last year, but neither of them was against the Chiefs, vanquished by San Diego by scores of 37-7 and 43-14.

Did you know?

The only defensive player in the vaunted history of the Volunteers football program to be drafted higher than Berry was the late legend Reggie White by one spot. Despite his star status, Berry showed his appreciation for the Tennessee equipment-room guys and team managers by helping them shine helmets on the days before Vols home games.

Quote:

“I’ve always had a rule that, if you’re above .500, stats count. If you’re not, then they don’t. I’ve made that clear to Dwayne.” _ Chiefs head coach Todd Haley in the Kansas City Star , referring to the big numbers posted by receiver Dwayne Bowe in his first two seasons.

KCtotheSB
09-13-2010, 11:46 AM
I wonder if opposing team newspapers have a section: "What ChiefsPlanet is Saying"

...and whether any of the gained information would be printable.

baitism
09-13-2010, 11:48 AM
I can't really disagree with anything in that article.

Lzen
09-13-2010, 11:51 AM
I can't really disagree with anything in that article.

It is mostly okay but I disagree with this.
There’s also the fact that Cassel threw the same number of interceptions (16) as touchdowns last year, and there’s little evidence yet that the Chiefs have solved the problems that got him sacked 42 times.

Lilja and Weigman should make some difference. They still need to draft some good young lineman and the RT position is still scary, but to say they haven't done anything is silly, IMO.

Dayze
09-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Techier should take notes on how to construct and execute an article.

Hydrae
09-13-2010, 11:59 AM
There were reports of a player being taken away from the Chiefs complex by ambulance Monday, but while head coach Todd Haley wouldn’t confirm such an incident, he suggested that something might have happened to one of the three aforementioned players. O’Callahan and Magee were spotted by the Kansas City media after the practice.

This is the first I have heard anything about this. Did something more happen to Sheffield?

Otter
09-13-2010, 12:00 PM
Excited to see Berry make his debut.

Just wish isn't wasn't starting at freaking 10:30pm on a Monday Night.

FAX
09-13-2010, 12:10 PM
More from the San Diego Newspaper:

The San Diego "Chargers" will be playing "football" tonight. The "Chargers" are a local "football" team comprised primarily of people who are not from here. If you are like most of our readers, you are unfamiliar with the game of "football". "Football" is similar to surfing except that, rather than a surfboard, participants use a "ball" that is shaped like two, overstuffed, black bean tacos stuck together. Through gratuitous, violent conflict, "football players" attempt to move the "ball" from one place to another. Sometimes they are successful and sometimes they are not. Occasionally, people will attend the "football games". These people are called "fans".

FAX

Dayze
09-13-2010, 12:12 PM
More from the San Diego Newspaper:

The San Diego "Chargers" will be playing "football" tonight. The "Chargers" are a local "football" team comprised primarily of people who are not from here. If you are like most of our readers, you are unfamiliar with the game of "football". "Football" is similar to surfing except that, rather than a surfboard, participants use a "ball" that is shaped like two, overstuffed, black bean tacos stuck together. Through gratuitous, violent conflict, "football players" attempt to move the "ball" from one place to another. Sometimes they are successful and sometimes they are not. Occasionally, people will attend the "football games". These people are called "fans".

FAX

ROFL

the Talking Can
09-13-2010, 12:17 PM
More from the San Diego Newspaper:

The San Diego "Chargers" will be playing "football" tonight. The "Chargers" are a local "football" team comprised primarily of people who are not from here. If you are like most of our readers, you are unfamiliar with the game of "football". "Football" is similar to surfing except that, rather than a surfboard, participants use a "ball" that is shaped like two, overstuffed, black bean tacos stuck together. Through gratuitous, violent conflict, "football players" attempt to move the "ball" from one place to another. Sometimes they are successful and sometimes they are not. Occasionally, people will attend the "football games". These people are called "fans".

FAX

almost hear Carlin's voice

dj56dt58
09-13-2010, 12:46 PM
almost hear Carlin's voice
or Herm's..

HotRoute
09-13-2010, 12:57 PM
"The only defensive player in the vaunted history of the Volunteers football program to be drafted higher than Berry was the late legend Reggie White by one spot"

Found this to be very interesting

Pitt Gorilla
09-13-2010, 01:01 PM
The biggest issue, IMO, is the health of DMC. If he is ready to go, we'll have the weapons to compete. Without him, our offense looks a lot different.

kysirsoze
09-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I didn't realize we were defending our all time series lead on them. Fuck, I want the Chiefs to win this game.

BigOlChiefsfan
09-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Yep, then go on and win the next 35 matchups. I'd like to get a comfortable win/loss lead built back up. Plus, hey...fuck San Diego.

Pitt Gorilla
09-13-2010, 02:16 PM
Anyone heard anything more recently regarding DMC? I feel I'm a bit out of the loop as nobody else has commented on him.

mesmith31
09-13-2010, 02:20 PM
I think that Charles could likely have 115-120 yards rushing in this game with Jones having another 40-60. If that happens and we are able to control the clock we have a decent chance to keep this close into the fourth quarter. At that point in time it will come turnover differential. I say if we hit those numbers AND get a plus one in turnover differential, then we win.

Dave Lane
09-13-2010, 02:29 PM
It is mostly okay but I disagree with this.


Lilja and Weigman should make some difference. They still need to draft some good young lineman and the RT position is still scary, but to say they haven't done anything is silly, IMO.

No and I have to finally say something.

I know a staff member for the Chiefs and one of the main reasons Cassel has been Mr. Dink and Dunk this preseason is just for this reason. Weis thinks the 40+ sacks have to be fixed first, before anything else for Cassel. One of the main reasons he has been forced to throw short is to cut down on the sacks. Essentially they are forcing him to learn to get the ball out regardless of what he thinks might develop.

Now that its the regular season they may let up a little but the "fix" was to fix his holding the ball too long and to help make quicker decisions
and reads.

milkman
09-13-2010, 02:30 PM
Lilja and Weigman should make some difference. They still need to draft some good young lineman and the RT position is still scary, but to say they haven't done anything is silly, IMO.

Improving the O-Line does nothing to solve the pocket awareness issue and the propensity to hold onto the ball too long that plague Cassel..

Dave Lane
09-13-2010, 02:32 PM
Improving the O-Line does nothing to solve the pocket awareness issue and the propensity to hold onto the ball too long that plague Cassel..

Read above you...

Saccopoo
09-13-2010, 02:38 PM
No and I have to finally say something.

I know a staff member for the Chiefs and one of the main reasons Cassel has been Mr. Dink and Dunk this preseason is just for this reason. Weis thinks the 40+ sacks have to be fixed first, before anything else for Cassel. One of the main reasons he has been forced to throw short is to cut down on the sacks. Essentially they are forcing him to learn to get the ball out regards of what he thinks might develop.

Now that its the regular season they may let up a little but the "fix" was to fix his holding the ball too long and making quicker decisions
and reads.

Then they should have drafted a mother fucking competent offensive lineman instead of a five tech defensive end and a safety. Go ask Matt Stafford what he thinks about mediocrity at the left tackle spot.

However, I did read on the Chiefs Planet that our offensive line woes were solved. We drafted a guard in the third round and signed a free agent center. Onward to victory!

milkman
09-13-2010, 02:44 PM
Read above you...

I did read it, and I'd like some clarity.

You seem to be saying the staff member suggests what I said is the issue, that Cassel holds the ball too long (though he doesn't mention the pocket awareness issue), and the problem isn't protection issues, but you aren't real clear .

threebag02
09-13-2010, 02:53 PM
Techier should take notes on how to construct and execute an article.

He's just in a hurry to get his written so he can eye fuck his Justin Beiber poster.

Mecca
09-13-2010, 02:56 PM
Then they should have drafted a mother fucking competent offensive lineman instead of a five tech defensive end and a safety. Go ask Matt Stafford what he thinks about mediocrity at the left tackle spot.

However, I did read on the Chiefs Planet that our offensive line woes were solved. We drafted a guard in the third round and signed a free agent center. Onward to victory!

I'm not a fan of using a top 5 pick on an OT, if you want to argue they shold have taken the trade the Jets were using to move and then taken Oher there, that's a fine argument.

Pitt Gorilla
09-13-2010, 03:00 PM
I'd like to point out that we could have had the Eagles' backup at LT as an undrafted rookie FA. The kid is a stud and should be a player for years to come.

Of course, we could have also had Arizona's starting RT as a 7th rounder last year. I advocated for both as I watched them play (and succeed) at UNI. Oh well.

bobbything
09-13-2010, 03:03 PM
Anyone heard anything more recently regarding DMC? I feel I'm a bit out of the loop as nobody else has commented on him.
I saw today on ESPN's ticker that he's still listed as doubtful (illness). Pregnant, I assume.

the Talking Can
09-13-2010, 03:04 PM
I did read it, and I'd like some clarity.

You seem to be saying the staff member suggests what I said is the issue, that Cassel holds the ball too long (though he doesn't mention the pocket awareness issue), and the problem isn't protection issues, but you aren't real clear .

i think he is saying the issue causing the sacks is Cassel holding the ball...and i completely agree, the QB is a much bigger problem than the OL right now...something saccofbats can't understand

but i think the OL as currently constructed is what Pioli/Haley want..so it can't be considered part of the problem...

we have to assume Pioli made the acquisitions and moves that he believed were sufficient to make Cassel perform better...so any performance problems by Cassel are on Cassel...

Chief Chief
09-13-2010, 03:04 PM
I wonder if S Eric Berry is showing his appreciation right now to Gaythan by shining his helmet?

the Talking Can
09-13-2010, 03:05 PM
I'd like to point out that we could have had the Eagles' backup at LT as an undrafted rookie FA. The kid is a stud and should be a player for years to come.

Of course, we could have also had Arizona's starting RT as a 7th rounder last year. I advocated for both as I watched them play (and succeed) at UNI. Oh well.

we could done a lot of things that didn't involve drafting Brokung...

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2010, 03:06 PM
It is mostly okay but I disagree with this.


Lilja and Weigman should make some difference. They still need to draft some good young lineman and the RT position is still scary, but to say they haven't done anything is silly, IMO.

Nah, not really.

Lilja's playing well but no better than Wade Smith.

Weigman's a slight upgrade over Niswanger but has it been confirmed that Weigman is the starter?

Pitt Gorilla
09-13-2010, 03:12 PM
we could done a lot of things that didn't involve drafting Brokung...I understand that, but these were both low/no cost moves for starting-quality players.

the Talking Can
09-13-2010, 03:16 PM
I understand that, but these were both low/no cost moves for starting-quality players.

i was agreeing with you...Brokung is a shot at saccofbats, the only man alive who didn't want berry

Dave Lane
09-13-2010, 03:36 PM
I did read it, and I'd like some clarity.

You seem to be saying the staff member suggests what I said is the issue, that Cassel holds the ball too long (though he doesn't mention the pocket awareness issue), and the problem isn't protection issues, but you aren't real clear .

Its both really. Its sort of since our Oline is below average then Cassel must not hold the ball too long and take a bunch of sacks. If we had the 2004 line he might be able to hold the ball longer but this is supposed to be what all the quick throws will do for him.

And yes I think its obvious to everyone that being a backup for as long as he was has gotten him used to not having a real live pass rush. The quick throws everyone has hated was to try to break this pattern. Oddly Weis and the Chiefs have eyes too.

the Talking Can
09-13-2010, 03:47 PM
Its both really. Its sort of since our Oline is below average then Cassel must not hold the ball too long and take a bunch of sacks. If we had the 2004 line he might be able to hold the ball longer but this is supposed to be what all the quick throws will do for him.

And yes I think its obvious to everyone that being a backup for as long as he was has gotten him used to not having a real live pass rush. The quick throws everyone has hated was to try to break this pattern. Oddly Weis and the Chiefs have eyes too.

i guess i don't understand, if our OL still isn't good enough - in the second year - then why haven't they done more?

seems wierd that Pioli would knowingly place Cassel behind a bad line, they had plenty of $$$ and draft picks to change things...

gblowfish
09-14-2010, 04:48 PM
Today's day after report from San Diego Union-Tribune:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/13/chargers-gearing-kansas-city/

Chargers slip and fall in opener
By Kevin Acee

KANSAS CITY, Mo, — At least it isn’t all that surprising anymore when the Chargers find new, shocking ways to flounder in the early part of a season.

They were going to start fast, set the tone early by being physical on defense, running the ball on offense.

For almost the entirety of the first quarter, they seemed on the way to doing all those things, and their defense perhaps ultimately did signal it is on the path to being what it hopes to be.

They spoke afterward of the sloppy field, the positives of fighting at the end and the fact there are 15 games remaining, a reality of which they are adept at taking advantage.

"I don't see this as a slow start," Philip Rivers said. "It's one game out of 16. We can still get off to a fast start. We can still get this thing rolling early."

True, this wasn't so much a slow start as a broken one.

As rain began to fall and lightning flashed all around Arrowhead Stadium, things got muddied.

Whether it was the horrible conditions, a surprising Chiefs team or what has come to be the Chargers’ typical September sloppiness, the end wrought a 21-14 opening-game loss.

"We had our opportunities to win the game," linebacker Stephen Cooper said. "All three phases can't play the way we did today."

Indeed.

It was a complete loss – a long touchdown run allowed by the defense, a fumble setting up another touchdown, and a record punt return for yet another.

With big plays, the Chiefs literally sprinted to a two-touchdown lead at halftime despite the fact they had not converted a third down in six tries.

The score that put the Chiefs up 21-7 was a 94-yard Dexter McCluster punt return for a touchdown – both the longest-ever such return by the Chiefs and longest ever allowed by the Chargers.

Two would-be tacklers slipped at the start, and then McCluster ran untouched to further a Chiefs lead with 1:43 remaining in the first half.

The Chiefs would end up 1-for-11 on third downs, going three-and-out on half their 12 possessions and totaling just 197 yards.

But one play -- a 56-yard touchdown run by Jamaal Charles -- gave Kansas City more than a quarter of its yards and also tied the game.

On the first Monday Night Football game in Kansas City since 2004 and first anywhere for the Chiefs since 2005, a refurbished Arrowhead stadium made its debut in a raucous manner. What had been a relatively serene place for visitors as the Chiefs struggled to 10 victories in the past three seasons, was loud until a vicious rain and the fact it was 11 p.m. locally at halftime, drove away at least half the announced crowd of 71,297 by halftime.

They missed a Chargers’ comeback that was ultimately a dash to defeat, as Rivers’ final pass sailed untouched through the end zone on fourth down from the six-yard line with 39 seconds to play.

"On the road, with this environment, this weather, you can't make those mistakes," Rivers said. "You're asking for it to be tough, and it was."

It may have been the rain blowing in circles, or maybe it was that Vincent Jackson wasn’t there to catch some of the passes Rivers might have thrown a little better, or a combination of those things, the Chargers’ offense was uncharacteristically horizontal until it had to not be.

A 59-yard touchdown pass to a wide-open Legedu Naanee brought the Chargers to within 21-14 with 2:23 to play in the third quarter.

The defense continued to effectively stonewall the Chiefs, who had just nine first downs on the night and just 70 second-half yards.

After stalling on fourth down at the Chiefs’ 32 with 7:09 remaining, the Chargers got another chance with five minutes to go.

The Chargers took over at their 33 with 4:52 to play. Two plays later – after successive 22-yard passes to Buster Davis and Malcom Floyd – they were at the Chiefs’ 23.

Naanee made another catch over the middle on fourth-and-3 from the 16, getting down to the 4.

But an incompletion, two-yard loss by Darren Sproles and two incompletions ended the Chargers’ hopes.

The Chargers took a 7-0 lead with a little less than two minutes remaining in the first quarter, consummating a nine-play, 60-yard drive with Rivers’ three-yard pass to Antonio Gates. That followed by three plays a 34-yard gain by Gates.

Gates was double-teamed much of the night but still finished with five catches for 76 yards. Naanee had five catches for 110 yards. Malcom Floyd caught three for 38.

But while Rivers finished 22-for-39 for 298 yards and a 98.0 passer rating, it was not a cohesive night between he and his receivers. There were a number of passes he was a little off, and some that simply went off his receivers' hands.

He took blame, as did his targets.

"It hits your hands, you have to catch it," Floyd said.

The one real defensive breakdown was costly.

After having gone three-and-out on their first two possessions, the Chiefs’ tied the game three plays after the Chargers went up 7-0 when Charles burst through a gigantic hole and zigzagged 56 yards for a touchdown.

The teams traded three-and-outs for four more drives (two each) before a Ryan Mathews fumble set the Chiefs up for their second touchdown.

The rookie, who finished with 75 yards on 19 carries, made a nice cut, barreled through two tackles but after gaining 15 yards, Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson wrapped one arm around Mathews and with the other dislodged the ball. It bounced once and into the hands of Brandon Flowers, who returned it 23 yards to the 12.

"I've got a lot of stuff to work on," Mathews said. "This game showed me my weakness I need to come back and fix."

The Chiefs scored three plays later on a two-yard pass off a play-action fake that essentially every Chargers defender bit on, as tight end Tony Moeaki was all alone near the back of the end zone.

The Chargers offense continued to stall.

After gaining 106 yards in the first quarter, the Chargers had 21 in the second. After a first quarter in which the Chargers converted four of their five third downs, they were fruitless on four such tries in the second quarter.

After the Chargers' fourth straight three-and-out (not counting the Mathews’ fumble on a first down), McCluster returned the fifth of what eventually be eight punts by Scifres to the end zone.

Opening with the late Monday Night Football game for the third time in five years, the Chargers fell to 2-2 under Turner in openers. Even the victories, however, have featured more rough patches than the Chargers would hope for, and even those wins have been followed by struggles.

The Chargers have started 2-3 each of their previous three seasons under Norv Turner . They return home to play Jacksonville on Sunday with the likelihood Qualcomm Stadium will be as empty as it has in at least seven years. Furthermore, a schedule that was perceived to be easy at its start features three straight opponents who won their season openers.

(NOTE BTW: Check out this Chargers fan, he looks like Lee Harvey Oswald! -GB)

rambleonthruthefog
09-14-2010, 05:21 PM
F*ck the chargers!
51-49-1 MFers!

FAX
09-14-2010, 05:30 PM
So, according to the paper, the Eggos bit on the PA that led to the touchdown ... maybe I was wrong about Cassel's execution of the play action. I remember that, on that play, I was watching the TEs (I think they even brought Vrabel in) ... I need to see this game again ... I missed details. Too excited, probably.

FAX

Detoxing
09-14-2010, 05:38 PM
So, according to the paper, the Eggos bit on the PA that led to the touchdown ... maybe I was wrong about Cassel's execution of the play action. I remember that, on that play, I was watching the TEs (I think they even brought Vrabel in) ... I need to see this game again ... I missed details. Too excited, probably.

FAX

Me too. With all of my alcohol induced cheers I missed ALL of the details of the game.

Well....maybe I didn't...Maybe I just dont remember. I don't even remember how I got to bed.