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Jenson71
09-13-2010, 06:28 PM
Where do we stand, as they expire and as Sen. McConnell introduces a bill to continue the tax cuts indefinitely, even for those in the highest income bracket?

FD
09-13-2010, 07:06 PM
I'm generally supportive of the early indications of what the Obama plan is, which is to extend the middle class tax cuts and use the revenue from letting the others expire to create tax incentives targeted at small businesses and investment.

My feelings could change when the plans become more solid.

HonestChieffan
09-13-2010, 07:10 PM
Take from small business men so we can give small business a tax break.....ponder that.

Brainiac
09-13-2010, 08:03 PM
Nice job of attempting to skew the poll. You could have just as easily (and more accurately) said "Keep them all in order to encourage economic activity and avoid penalizing small business owners".

Jenson71
09-13-2010, 08:05 PM
Nice job of attempting to skew the poll. You could have just as easily (and more accurately) said "Keep them all in order to encourage economic activity and avoid penalizing small business owners".

Skew the poll? Which way do you feel it is skewing towards?

BucEyedPea
09-13-2010, 08:44 PM
Cut spending!

BucEyedPea
09-13-2010, 08:47 PM
Skew the poll? Which way do you feel it is skewing towards?

socialism

Jenson71
09-13-2010, 09:49 PM
socialism

Gosh, it was so cool when the democratically elected sovereign of Iran was doing it in 1952.

Brainiac
09-13-2010, 10:35 PM
Skew the poll? Which way do you feel it is skewing towards?

Is this a serious question?

Taco John
09-13-2010, 10:50 PM
I think that we should keep all of the tax cuts, and start moving towards spending cuts, and then towards a fair tax system. I would rather eliminate Federal Income tax on individuals, and have the federal government collect their dues directly from the states. This, of course, would require that the 17th Amendment be repealled and States are given their voices back in the Senate.

Outside of this fantasy, I would like to see us move in a direction of a fair tax system that treats all individuals equally regardless of their income. Everyone gets taxed the same percentage, rich or poor. All men, treated equal under the law. Leftists complain about disposable income percentages when this is proposed though. Apparently, they have a goofy damned idea that we should all have equal disposable income percentages or something. Stupid of them. Tax everybody an equal percentage, and let everyone pull their weight.

ClevelandBronco
09-13-2010, 11:28 PM
I think that we should keep all of the tax cuts, and start moving towards spending cuts, and then towards a fair tax system. I would rather eliminate Federal Income tax on individuals, and have the federal government collect their dues directly from the states. This, of course, would require that the 17th Amendment be repealled and States are given their voices back in the Senate.

Outside of this fantasy, I would like to see us move in a direction of a fair tax system that treats all individuals equally regardless of their income. Everyone gets taxed the same percentage, rich or poor. All men, treated equal under the law. Leftists complain about disposable income percentages when this is proposed though. Apparently, they have a goofy damned idea that we should all have equal disposable income percentages or something. Stupid of them. Tax everybody an equal percentage, and let everyone pull their weight.

Agreed. We don't have a prayer of seeing it happen, but I'm with you.

Jenson71
09-14-2010, 05:33 AM
Is this a serious question?

Yes.

BucEyedPea
09-14-2010, 08:26 AM
Gosh, it was so cool when the democratically elected sovereign of Iran was doing it in 1952.

Yeah, but we're a Republic with a Constitution that ensures protection of property. We're not a democracy. You're strawman twist of my position as written in a previous on Iran is nothing more than an attempt to alter it to suit some antagonism you have on free-enterprise systems. Just as it was when I mentioned Tocqueville using the word democracy much earlier.

chiefsnorth
09-14-2010, 08:45 AM
They should all be kept. Spending should be reduced to 2008 or 2005 levels.

They should be kept for the rich even more than for the middle class so benefits can be seen to investment and small business. A middle class family doesn't need a tax break, they need job security before they start spending.

We need tax breaks, not another (democratic party) stimulus bill that won't create permanent, quality jobs.

Chief Henry
09-14-2010, 08:58 AM
REAL SPENDING CUTS are needed in EVERY GD department.

*Cut 5% annually across the board for the next 4 years.
*Keep W's tax cuts in place.
*Kill Obama's national health care bill and stick a fork in cap and trade.

Then watch the economy and the markets take off.

HonestChieffan
09-14-2010, 03:13 PM
REAL SPENDING CUTS are needed in EVERY GD department.

*Cut 5% annually across the board for the next 4 years.
*Keep W's tax cuts in place.
*Kill Obama's national health care bill and stick a fork in cap and trade.

Then watch the economy and the markets take off.

Much too simple. It would be stunning in its impact and be a resounding success. You will never make it in politics with ideas like this.

BucEyedPea
09-14-2010, 03:16 PM
Much too simple. It would be stunning in its impact and be a resounding success. You will never make it in politics with ideas like this.

True. But it needs saying as it's still truth.

talastan
09-14-2010, 03:54 PM
BEP and TJ, I completely agree with you....keep the tax cuts, they aren't the issue. The issue is the enormous amount of Government spending. The more we give the Government control of the more it costs for them to regulate it. Cut spending and open the markets up, and finally get the Fair Tax in place.

Calcountry
09-14-2010, 04:27 PM
Where do we stand, as they expire and as Sen. McConnell introduces a bill to continue the tax cuts indefinitely, even for those in the highest income bracket?Who made you Lord to determin who is "rich" and who isn't? And why shoud you be talking about them "rich" people as if they are some kind of evil, just because the Lord blessed them more than you. Thou shall not covet hypocrit.

Jenson71
09-14-2010, 07:01 PM
Who made you Lord to determin who is "rich" and who isn't? And why shoud you be talking about them "rich" people as if they are some kind of evil, just because the Lord blessed them more than you. Thou shall not covet hypocrit.

Is this a serious question?

patteeu
09-15-2010, 01:28 AM
I'm generally supportive of the early indications of what the Obama plan is, which is to extend the middle class tax cuts and use the revenue from letting the others expire to create tax incentives targeted at small businesses and investment.

My feelings could change when the plans become more solid.

Yes, he did such a good job targeting porkulus, I can see why you've had your confidence inspired.

Taco John
09-15-2010, 01:30 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand why people don't understand that the only means of loosening this economy up is to allow people to keep more of the money they earn, and begin to clear out government.

We're in an economic desert right now, and government is the iceberg that needs to get chipped away at. Sucking more water out of the desert and into the iceberg isn't going to make things better.

KC native
09-15-2010, 01:40 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand why people don't understand that the only means of loosening this economy up is to allow people to keep more of the money they earn, and begin to clear out government.

We're in an economic desert right now, and government is the iceberg that needs to get chipped away at. Sucking more water out of the desert and into the iceberg isn't going to make things better.

Ah you never disappoint with your weak analogies.

For all the newly minted austerity hawks, keeping Shrub's TEMPORARY tax cuts makes our budget situation horribly worse. All of you advocating keeping the cuts, can't bitch about deficits. You can't have it both ways.

That's why the cuts were temporary. Shrub knew he couldn't pass them off as permanent. The impact was too huge to leave them in place.

mlyonsd
09-15-2010, 02:05 PM
Ah you never disappoint with your weak analogies.

For all the newly minted austerity hawks, keeping Shrub's TEMPORARY tax cuts makes our budget situation horribly worse. All of you advocating keeping the cuts, can't bitch about deficits. You can't have it both ways.

That's why the cuts were temporary. Shrub knew he couldn't pass them off as permanent. The impact was too huge to leave them in place.

Cut spending and you can cut taxes even more.

jiveturkey
09-15-2010, 02:14 PM
Cut spending and you can cut taxes even more.That's the way I'd like to see it. I hope that someone can come up with a budget that includes real cuts.

Taco John
09-15-2010, 02:16 PM
Ah you never disappoint with your weak analogies.

For all the newly minted austerity hawks, keeping Shrub's TEMPORARY tax cuts makes our budget situation horribly worse. All of you advocating keeping the cuts, can't bitch about deficits. You can't have it both ways.

That's why the cuts were temporary. Shrub knew he couldn't pass them off as permanent. The impact was too huge to leave them in place.

You're wrong. I can and will bitch about the deficits, while at the same time demanding both tax and budget cuts.

The politics are an aside matter. The right thing to do is to cut government. The best way to cut government is to reduce its income supply.

Brainiac
09-15-2010, 02:56 PM
Ah you never disappoint with your weak analogies.

For all the newly minted austerity hawks, keeping Shrub's TEMPORARY tax cuts makes our budget situation horribly worse. All of you advocating keeping the cuts, can't bitch about deficits. You can't have it both ways.

That's why the cuts were temporary. Shrub knew he couldn't pass them off as permanent. The impact was too huge to leave them in place.
And you never disappoint with your consistent lack of understanding of the impact of raising taxes and how it affects economic activity.

You don't raise taxes during a recession, especially a double-dip recession.

Do you really think the problem is a lack of revenue? Is that why Obama is running up trillion dollar deficits: not enough revenue?

Even though you deny that the Reagan tax cuts stimulated the economy, I would think that even you would understand that raising taxes in today's troubled economy is just about the must stupid f*cking thing that could be done.

patteeu
09-15-2010, 03:25 PM
Ah you never disappoint with your weak analogies.

For all the newly minted austerity hawks, keeping Shrub's TEMPORARY tax cuts makes our budget situation horribly worse. All of you advocating keeping the cuts, can't bitch about deficits. You can't have it both ways.

That's why the cuts were temporary. Shrub knew he couldn't pass them off as permanent. The impact was too huge to leave them in place.

The people advocating keeping the cuts also seem to be advocating spending cuts. It seems they can have it both ways.

patteeu
09-15-2010, 03:29 PM
The tax cuts on capital and on marginal rates should be made permanent. Tax cuts for special interests like dependent children and the tax exclusion on the first X dollars of income should be extended but should come to an end when the economy improves. As long as we continue to tax income, we should eliminate the zero rate bracket.

BucEyedPea
09-15-2010, 03:33 PM
Even though you deny that the Reagan tax cuts stimulated the economy, I would think that even you would understand that raising taxes in today's troubled economy is just about the must stupid f*cking thing that could be done.

You're right it is. But that's what you get from people educated in Bernankianism-Krugmanism. Bernanke's looking awefully worried these days.