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Taco John
09-16-2010, 01:21 AM
This is the best perspective I've read in any media source contrasting the split personalities that comprise the Tea Party... If you care to understand the current political evironment, this article is a must read.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/65494.html#more-65494

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2010, 01:46 AM
Where is the money coming from to support this movement is a really good question?

Taco John
09-16-2010, 02:01 AM
Where is the money coming from to support this movement is a really good question?

For the Palin-wing of the party, it comes from establishment sources trying to basically take over the movement, and direct the energy towards the status quo. For the Paulian wing of the tea party, it comes from individuals like me, who had never dreamed of donating to a political cause, but ended up donating hundreds of dollars to keep the momentum going.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2010, 02:06 AM
For the Palin-wing of the party, it comes from establishment sources trying to basically take over the movement, and direct the energy towards the status quo. For the Paulian wing of the tea party, it comes from individuals like me, who had never dreamed of donating to a political cause, but ended up donating hundreds of dollars to keep the momentum going.

The Palin-wing only wants to use it to divide and conquer, is that what you are saying?

patteeu
09-16-2010, 02:50 AM
The Palin-wing only wants to use it to divide and conquer, is that what you are saying?

The so-called "Palin wing" wants to actually use it to accomplish something realistic.

Taco John
09-16-2010, 03:16 AM
The Palin-wing only wants to use it to divide and conquer, is that what you are saying?

That's fair enough. I would say they want to subvert the energy towards establishment aims. You'll find that establishment neo-cons are very favorable to Palin and what she envisions for government (despite a pretty hazy picture of what that is), but will be very hostile towards Paul.

I think you understand that the Neo-cons have controlled the Republican establishment for some time, and have sacrificed social issues to Democrats in order to maintain that power edge so that they can control what is really important to them: foriegn policy, particularly as it relates to Isreal.

Then along came the Ron Paul 2008 campaign, and the birth of the Tea Party. The money that his campaign attracted, coupled with the enthusiasm forced the neo-con establishment to jump into gear. And thus, out of the wild blue yonder, McCain invited Palin to be a part of his ticket... One thing to note, however, is that this was out of the wild blue only if you weren't following the Ron Paul movement from day to day. Those of us who were active in it were well familiar with the name "Sarah Palin" months before because it had been rumored that she was a libertarian, and many in the Ron Paul movement loved her and hoped for her to be HIS VP nominee. Many, to this day, consider her a sell out because of the perception that she had fame and power dangled in front of her and she jumped at it and became their puppet.

In any case, the heart of the movement is about "Restoring the Republic," and reducing the size of government, particularly the federal government. The heart of the movement is anti-war in the tradition of Robert Taft, and Bush Circa 1999 when he talked about having a humble foriegn policy (by the way, Bush II basically won by parrotting fellow Texan, Ron Paul's best campaign lines about small government and reduced military role int he world). Sarah Palin, on the other hand, talks very much in favor of perpetuating the war, and of course, all the big government that goes along with that. And the only way to perpetuate war is to sell out social issues to the left, and then use that budget as cover for printing and borrowing more money in order to keep the war funded, as well as the dependancies created by the social programs filled.

Palin is the Republican establishment's best hope of keeping the tea party in check. But the wheels are coming off of the wagon and the moster that they've created is getting out of control. They never imagined that the Tea Party would make the gains it has so quickly. It's too much for them to manage. The movement hasn't congealed around Palin the way they had hoped - it's far too decentralized. And she's pretty independent-minded in her own right.

But worse, the economy is falling to shambles and the Republicans still haven't managed to find someone outside of Ron Paul who can educate Americans about economics in the simple and easy to grasp way that Ron Paul has been able to. His body of work in this regard is vast. And it's this key point where the Tea Party will likely fall apart. The Paulians will not vote for a Republican who isn't convincing to them on the issue of The Federal Reserve. The Palin group doesn't know enough about the matter to have an opinion, but they see an energetic movement happening, and Fox is covering it, so they want to be a part of it, and since they're going to vote against Obama however they can anyway, they might as well call themselves "tea partiers." Sarah Palin is the center of these types. Ron Paul is the center of the other types.

If you were to ask me today who will win the Republican nomination, I'd say it will either be Sarah Palin or Ron Paul. Which is to say that it will probably be Sarah Palin.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 04:58 AM
That's fair enough. I would say they want to subvert the energy towards establishment aims. You'll find that establishment neo-cons are very favorable to Palin and what she envisions for government (despite a pretty hazy picture of what that is), but will be very hostile towards Paul.

I think it's more that she's becoming a dupe and front puppet for them. A Bushette. Kristol and company can't run on their own—they'd be toast. They need a charmer and good packaging that they can run from behind. Her deal with the devil (Kristol) is a chance to be president so she has sold her soul. Yet this is the wing of the right that was soundly rejected by the electorate. They can only pull off what they want through deception. They're not really going to change anything that matters. One NeoCon has already said if the TP wins they still won't be able to govern anyway.

There's a new article up over at Lew's today by the man who participated in the book Nudge. He claims Beck is a closet socialist as well. I don't know about all his points, but I do think he effectively showed Beck isn't really a libertarian as he seems to think about himself.

donkhater
09-16-2010, 06:21 AM
That's fair enough. I would say they want to subvert the energy towards establishment aims. You'll find that establishment neo-cons are very favorable to Palin and what she envisions for government (despite a pretty hazy picture of what that is), but will be very hostile towards Paul.

I think you understand that the Neo-cons have controlled the Republican establishment for some time, and have sacrificed social issues to Democrats in order to maintain that power edge so that they can control what is really important to them: foriegn policy, particularly as it relates to Isreal.

Then along came the Ron Paul 2008 campaign, and the birth of the Tea Party. The money that his campaign attracted, coupled with the enthusiasm forced the neo-con establishment to jump into gear. And thus, out of the wild blue yonder, McCain invited Palin to be a part of his ticket... One thing to note, however, is that this was out of the wild blue only if you weren't following the Ron Paul movement from day to day. Those of us who were active in it were well familiar with the name "Sarah Palin" months before because it had been rumored that she was a libertarian, and many in the Ron Paul movement loved her and hoped for her to be HIS VP nominee. Many, to this day, consider her a sell out because of the perception that she had fame and power dangled in front of her and she jumped at it and became their puppet.

In any case, the heart of the movement is about "Restoring the Republic," and reducing the size of government, particularly the federal government. The heart of the movement is anti-war in the tradition of Robert Taft, and Bush Circa 1999 when he talked about having a humble foriegn policy (by the way, Bush II basically won by parrotting fellow Texan, Ron Paul's best campaign lines about small government and reduced military role int he world). Sarah Palin, on the other hand, talks very much in favor of perpetuating the war, and of course, all the big government that goes along with that. And the only way to perpetuate war is to sell out social issues to the left, and then use that budget as cover for printing and borrowing more money in order to keep the war funded, as well as the dependancies created by the social programs filled.

Palin is the Republican establishment's best hope of keeping the tea party in check. But the wheels are coming off of the wagon and the moster that they've created is getting out of control. They never imagined that the Tea Party would make the gains it has so quickly. It's too much for them to manage. The movement hasn't congealed around Palin the way they had hoped - it's far too decentralized. And she's pretty independent-minded in her own right.

But worse, the economy is falling to shambles and the Republicans still haven't managed to find someone outside of Ron Paul who can educate Americans about economics in the simple and easy to grasp way that Ron Paul has been able to. His body of work in this regard is vast. And it's this key point where the Tea Party will likely fall apart. The Paulians will not vote for a Republican who isn't convincing to them on the issue of The Federal Reserve. The Palin group doesn't know enough about the matter to have an opinion, but they see an energetic movement happening, and Fox is covering it, so they want to be a part of it, and since they're going to vote against Obama however they can anyway, they might as well call themselves "tea partiers." Sarah Palin is the center of these types. Ron Paul is the center of the other types.

If you were to ask me today who will win the Republican nomination, I'd say it will either be Sarah Palin or Ron Paul. Which is to say that it will probably be Sarah Palin.

Great post, but I differ with your last take. I think someone who is palatable (not perfect, but palatable) to both branches of the movement will emerge to secure the nomination. I know he has routinely denied that he is interested, but I really think Mitch Daniels is on the move.

My guess is that Tea Party supporters like yourself will be very suspicious about Daniels getting the backing of the RNC. Anyone that they support will likely be seen as a 'puppet'. But of all the candidates likely to get backing form the RNC and media spin as a 'electable' candidate' Daniels comes as close as anyone to what the Tea party wants to represent them.

I love Paul. He makes a ton of sense. I have and will vote for him. Palin is a campaigner and we've seen the results of electing someone like that the last two years. If the Republicans can somehow break out of their traditional mold of nominating the next guy in line, I think Daniels is the guy, IMO.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 07:09 AM
I see Daniels with pros and cons:

Cons:
• proposed a number of tax increases in Indiana
• Director of the Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush
• Establishment leaders in the R national party have courted him which doesn't bode well. This is the same process that brought us two Bush'es. The select the anointed and that's our choice. This is not grass roots but more top down. That does not bode well for a revolutionary
• The Economist threw some backing behind him for president which is Keyenesian with a Mercantilist flavor—just more of the same bs
• lacks charisma-although this is not the biggest problem; it can be overcome since two Bushes have won

Pro:
• has done some govt reform at his state level
•he balanced his budget but I think the states have options that the Federal Constitution doesn't provide presidents and he did this with tax increases
Plus states can't print money to get out of their messes.


I'd have to know more.....but I am deeply suspicious of his endorsements coming from the top down as opposed to from the bottoms up in the grass roots. Establishment Republicans are the problem —not the solution. I'd need to know more and see who he gets surrounded by. I like Gov Christie more....I think his personality is more engaging in it's no nonsense style and he makes unpopular decisions. Then again, states cannot print money so he is compelled to make those cuts.

Ugly Duck
09-16-2010, 07:29 AM
Understanding the Tea Party divide...

The Tea Party is little more than a collection of ultra-rightwing nutbags whose wild anti-government rants are reminiscent of their funders - the super-rich Koch Brothers & Fox Murdoch. The Kochs (Dixie Cups & Lycra) sit on the highest board of the freak show John Birch Society. Koch, Sr. was a founding member. TPs squeal about the "death panels" of the Obama health care plan even though its very similar to those proposed by Nixon, Romney, & the Heritage foundation. When right wingers propose it - not a peep. When Obama proposes it, all of a sudden its a big-government assault on the very foundation of American freedom. Obama is a foreigner. Obama is a Muslim. Obama wants the terrorists to win, blah, blah, blah. Nobody thinks the vast majority of ranting Tea Party nutbags used to vote Democratic... they are the extreme right-wing fringe of the Republican Party.

mlyonsd
09-16-2010, 07:41 AM
The Tea Party is little more than a collection of ultra-rightwing nutbags whose wild anti-government rants are reminiscent of their funders - the super-rich Koch Brothers & Fox Murdoch. The Kochs (Dixie Cups & Lycra) sit on the highest board of the freak show John Birch Society. Koch, Sr. was a founding member. TPs squeal about the "death panels" of the Obama health care plan even though its very similar to those proposed by Nixon, Romney, & the Heritage foundation. When right wingers propose it - not a peep. When Obama proposes it, all of a sudden its a big-government assault on the very foundation of American freedom. Obama is a foreigner. Obama is a Muslim. Obama wants the terrorists to win, blah, blah, blah. Nobody thinks the vast majority of ranting Tea Party nutbags used to vote Democratic... they are the extreme right-wing fringe of the Republican Party.

You're forgetting about a whole lot of independents whose thinking is a lot more in line with the tea party's economic platform than either the dems or reps.

bkkcoh
09-16-2010, 07:44 AM
You're forgetting about a whole lot of independents whose thinking is a lot more in line with the tea party's economic platform than either the dems or reps.

Let them keep thinking that. Then they will wonder what happened to them the day after the election.

Taco John
09-16-2010, 07:45 AM
The Tea Party is little more than a collection of ultra-rightwing nutbags whose wild anti-government rants are reminiscent of their funders - the super-rich Koch Brothers & Fox Murdoch. The Kochs (Dixie Cups & Lycra) sit on the highest board of the freak show John Birch Society. Koch, Sr. was a founding member. TPs squeal about the "death panels" of the Obama health care plan even though its very similar to those proposed by Nixon, Romney, & the Heritage foundation. When right wingers propose it - not a peep. When Obama proposes it, all of a sudden its a big-government assault on the very foundation of American freedom. Obama is a foreigner. Obama is a Muslim. Obama wants the terrorists to win, blah, blah, blah. Nobody thinks the vast majority of ranting Tea Party nutbags used to vote Democratic... they are the extreme right-wing fringe of the Republican Party.

Yeah, I read the Huffington Post too. I'm aware of the boilerplate that has been made up to pass around.

Taco John
09-16-2010, 07:49 AM
It's funny how every site I visit where leftists hang out, I'm always given the same buzzwords about the movement. "collection" "ultra-rightwing" "wild anti-government" "nutbags" "Koch Brothers" "Fox" "Murdoch." As though if they repeat these things enough time they'll suddenly become the reason why I started supporting Ron Paul and got active enough in politics to register for the Republican party and take my time to caucus locally with them.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 07:59 AM
The Tea Party is little more than a collection of ultra-rightwing nutbags
That's pure and total subjective opinion which is typical from a left-wing view.

....whose wild anti-government rants are reminiscent of their funders - the super-rich Koch Brothers & Fox Murdoch.
I hate to break it to you but those two are NOT Tea Partiers. Murdoch is a NeoCon.

There's nothing wrong with being anti-govt with the kind of govt we have today—virtually unrecognizable as a free country with a govt restrained by a Constitution. It was anti-govt radicals that were the people who broke from England and later formed the freest govt in the history of man.

The Kochs (Dixie Cups & Lycra) sit on the highest board of the freak show John Birch Society.
Pure opinion again. Come on Ugly Duck you can to better than a vitriolic diatribe that's all opinion.


TPs squeal about the "death panels" of the Obama health care plan even though its very similar to those proposed by Nixon, Romney, & the Heritage foundation.
Yes we know. I've posted how Obamacare is the same as Nixon's proposal but THAT is what we don't like about current Republicans. They are the same statists as the far left only covered with right wing clothing. If you're not a small govt person who supports the Federalism our country is supposed to be based on then you cannot possibly understand that it is the Nixons, Romneys and Heritage Foundation ( which is NeoCon) that we no longer want in our party. We want the two parties to offer a true choice.

But the "death panels" are true....they just don't call them that.


When right wingers propose it - not a peep.
That's not true. People here have criticized Romney-care. Witness who says what in the TP because it is said by some. It is just not mentioned by Establishment Rs who are posturing to gain power just as the hard-left did under Bush and now Obama's continuation of the Bush wars are okay. No DIFFERENCE between the two parties at the core beliefs.

When Obama proposes it, all of a sudden its a big-government assault on the very foundation of American freedom. Obama is a foreigner. Obama is a Muslim. Obama wants the terrorists to win, blah, blah, blah. Nobody thinks the vast majority of ranting Tea Party nutbags used to vote Democratic... they are the extreme right-wing fringe of the Republican Party.

I resent labelling TPs as nutbags. I see the hard left as the nutbags. That's just opinion. I don't think Obama is a Muslim or a foreigner but he is a socialist. 'Er scrap that....technically he's a corporatist. His FP isn't much different than Bush.

You missed a lot of debate about these things and are choosing to ignore the complaints from the right about the progressives in their own ranks. But you are accusing the other side of doing the very things your side has done or is doing.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 08:04 AM
It's funny how every site I visit where leftists hang out, I'm always given the same buzzwords about the movement. "collection" "ultra-rightwing" "wild anti-government" "nutbags" "Koch Brothers" "Fox" "Murdoch." As though if they repeat these things enough time they'll suddenly become the reason why I started supporting Ron Paul and got active enough in politics to register for the Republican party and take my time to caucus locally with them.

Yup! 'Cause they got nuthin and they cannot detect the nuances or differences in their opposition.

Anyone, calling the other side a collection of "nutbags" is demonstrating their own case of the same. In fact calling people "crazy" who don't agree with the regime is what the communists did in the Soviet Union.

donkhater
09-16-2010, 08:20 AM
I see Daniels with pros and cons:

Cons:
• proposed a number of tax increases in Indiana
• Director of the Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush
• Establishment leaders in the R national party have courted him which doesn't bode well. This is the same process that brought us two Bush'es. The select the anointed and that's our choice. This is not grass roots but more top down. That does not bode well for a revolutionary
• The Economist threw some backing behind him for president which is Keyenesian with a Mercantilist flavor—just more of the same bs
• lacks charisma-although this is not the biggest problem; it can be overcome since two Bushes have won

Pro:
• has done some govt reform at his state level
•he balanced his budget but I think the states have options that the Federal Constitution doesn't provide presidents and he did this with tax increases
Plus states can't print money to get out of their messes.


I'd have to know more.....but I am deeply suspicious of his endorsements coming from the top down as opposed to from the bottoms up in the grass roots. Establishment Republicans are the problem —not the solution. I'd need to know more and see who he gets surrounded by. I like Gov Christie more....I think his personality is more engaging in it's no nonsense style and he makes unpopular decisions. Then again, states cannot print money so he is compelled to make those cuts.


I understand. I live in Indiana and happen to think he has been a terrific governor, but I'm also suspicious of the republican bigwigs courting of him. Realistically, though, any candidate that comes out of the Republican primaries will have some backing from the RNC. As much as I like Paul and get behind him, I also know that he is a drastic shift from what the current Republican party is.

Daniels, while still liable to get backing from the 'establishment' still has a lot of traits that can be attractive to Tea party voters. When you hear him talk about his stint with Bush, you get the feeling that he and Bush did see eye to eye on things (despite Bush calling him 'My man, Mitch')

donkhater
09-16-2010, 08:30 AM
I'd have to know more.....but I am deeply suspicious of his endorsements coming from the top down as opposed to from the bottoms up in the grass roots. Establishment Republicans are the problem —not the solution. I'd need to know more and see who he gets surrounded by. I like Gov Christie more....I think his personality is more engaging in it's no nonsense style and he makes unpopular decisions. Then again, states cannot print money so he is compelled to make those cuts.

Here is a link to a prior post in which I provided a link to a lengthy article on him:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=229243&highlight=Mitch+Daniels

LOCOChief
09-16-2010, 08:37 AM
I've read that according to some poles that when you add Democrats and Independents together they are a greater percentage of the "Tea Party" than Republicans. I really don't know how they could extract such numbers and I don't know a single "hard core democrat that is a conservative which is a common denominator of the Tea Partiers of which I am one. Not a democrat, not a Republican, not a libertarian but a conservative.

Ugly Duck
09-16-2010, 08:39 AM
Yeah, I read the Huffington Post too. I'm aware of the boilerplate that has been made up to pass around.

I didn't look up any boiler plate stuff from Huffington. Anybody can google TP funding to see who's bankrolling the fringe group. Qunnipiac has Tea People membership at 12-14% and a 30% approval rating. They are naught but the far right with the nutballs jumping on the bandwagon.

Ugly Duck
09-16-2010, 08:49 AM
In fact calling people "crazy" who don't agree with the regime is what the communists did in the Soviet Union.

Sometimes nutbags are actually, really nutbags. Go to a TP rally & look at the signs like I do. They say Obama is

* Adolf Hitler
* Osama bin Laden
* Saddam Hussein
* Joseph Stalin
* King George III
* Satan
* The Anti-Christ
* Socialists
* Communists
* Marxists
* Fascists
* Nazis
* Tyrant
* Traitor
* Thief
* Liar
* Racist
* Puppet
* Scam Artist
* False messiah
* Pirate
* Proponent of eugenics
* Administration controlling MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN (aka, everything not Fox News)
* Un-American
* Kenyan
* Russian
* Muslim
* Jew
* Terrorist

http://anonymouspond.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_deliver-us-from-evil.jpg

Taco John
09-16-2010, 08:55 AM
I didn't look up any boiler plate stuff from Huffington. Anybody can google TP funding to see who's bankrolling the fringe group. Qunnipiac has Tea People membership at 12-14% and a 30% approval rating. They are naught but the far right with the nutballs jumping on the bandwagon.

Tell that to the disillusioned anti-war lefties who are joining the Ron Paul campaign because Obama is so weak on peace.

Taco John
09-16-2010, 09:14 AM
Sometimes nutbags are actually, really nutbags. Go to a TP rally & look at the signs like I do. They say Obama is

* Adolf Hitler
* Osama bin Laden
* Saddam Hussein
* Joseph Stalin
* King George III
* Satan
* The Anti-Christ
* Socialists
* Communists
* Marxists
* Fascists
* Nazis
* Tyrant
* Traitor
* Thief
* Liar
* Racist
* Puppet
* Scam Artist
* False messiah
* Pirate
* Proponent of eugenics
* Administration controlling MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN (aka, everything not Fox News)
* Un-American
* Kenyan
* Russian
* Muslim
* Jew
* Terrorist

http://anonymouspond.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_deliver-us-from-evil.jpg


*yawn*

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/469/42660155hitler.jpg

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1391/codepinkmurder.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5892/stopbush322220nov031197.jpg

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1730/bushbeheaded.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6767/busheffigyburnyoutube.jpg

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 09:43 AM
Sometimes nutbags are actually, really nutbags. Go to a TP rally & look at the signs like I do. They say Obama is

* Adolf Hitler
* Osama bin Laden
* Saddam Hussein
* Joseph Stalin
* King George III
* Satan
* The Anti-Christ
* Socialists
* Communists
* Marxists
* Fascists
* Nazis
* Tyrant
* Traitor
* Thief
* Liar
* Racist
* Puppet
* Scam Artist
* False messiah
* Pirate
* Proponent of eugenics
* Administration controlling MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN (aka, everything not Fox News)
* Un-American
* Kenyan
* Russian
* Muslim
* Jew
* Terrorist

http://anonymouspond.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_deliver-us-from-evil.jpg

Anyone can cherry pick out of a crowd. Plants and provocateurs have done some of that stuff too. Only they get filmed and photographed. Both sides have those elements though. And there is truth in some of those on both sides. So despite that, some of those labels are true about Obama. He's technically a corporatist which is a type of socialism. The left doesn't even recognize their positions as socialist at all.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 09:46 AM
I didn't look up any boiler plate stuff from Huffington. Anybody can google TP funding to see who's bankrolling the fringe group. Qunnipiac has Tea People membership at 12-14% and a 30% approval rating. They are naught but the far right with the nutballs jumping on the bandwagon.

That is nothing but left-wing talkin-points and propaganda. You're still not recognizing the original TPiers from the hijackers that are funding it. You don't want to see it though because it doesn't fit your pov that there is no discontent with Obama's policies among the grass roots when there REALLY is. That it's only corporatist interests that started the Tea Party. Nothing could be furthur from the truth. It's being hijacked.

Dallas Chief
09-16-2010, 09:47 AM
It's funny how every site I visit where leftists hang out, I'm always given the same buzzwords about the movement. "collection" "ultra-rightwing" "wild anti-government" "nutbags" "Koch Brothers" "Fox" "Murdoch." As though if they repeat these things enough time they'll suddenly become the reason why I started supporting Ron Paul and got active enough in politics to register for the Republican party and take my time to caucus locally with them.

That is the game they play. No mattter what they say, if repeated enough times, they think that it equals the truth. It's been so easy for the Dems in the past because they had so much of the MSM behind them. It not such and easy thing to accomplish these days as that worm has turned on them, however slight that turn may be. Think about classic examples of this- Hillary Clinton and "the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy". Obama and the blame game. The furor over Christine O'Donnell. This list coud go on and on...

LOCOChief
09-16-2010, 09:59 AM
Sometimes nutbags are actually, really nutbags. Go to a TP rally & look at the signs like I do. They say Obama is

* Adolf Hitler
* Osama bin Laden
* Saddam Hussein
* Joseph Stalin
* King George III
* Satan
* The Anti-Christ
* Socialists
* Communists
* Marxists
* Fascists
* Nazis
* Tyrant
* Traitor
* Thief
* Liar
* Racist
* Puppet
* Scam Artist
* False messiah
* Pirate
* Proponent of eugenics
* Administration controlling MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN (aka, everything not Fox News)
* Un-American
* Kenyan
* Russian
* Muslim
* Jew
* Terrorist

http://anonymouspond.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_deliver-us-from-evil.jpg

You've been to a tea party? really?

Ugly Duck
09-16-2010, 11:49 AM
You've been to a tea party? really?

Fuax News said CNN was singling out the TP nuts to give a false impression that TPers were nuts. So I went to a Santa Rosa, CA. TP rally to see who was right. It looked just like the CNN coverage. I'm not saying there are no leftie nuts... we've all seen the leftie extremists like Code Pink. The rightie extremists are at the Tea Partys. Everyone should look for themselves.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/UglyDuck2/types_of_libertarian1.png?t=1284658960

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 12:29 PM
Fuax News said CNN was singling out the TP nuts to give a false impression that TPers were nuts. So I went to a Santa Rosa, CA. TP rally to see who was right. It looked just like the CNN coverage. I'm not saying there are no leftie nuts... we've all seen the leftie extremists like Code Pink. The rightie extremists are at the Tea Partys. Everyone should look for themselves.


Someone who is on the hard left like you, would naturally think all TP'iers are nuts. That's how that side sees things as one big mass. Polls still show the more Indies feel their views are closer to TP—just not all. Many more in general in the country, see Obama as a socialist which he is....just the corporatist kind. Yet you assign it only to the right. This thread is supposed to be about understanding the divide in the TP not a wholesale slamming. We know the left is gonna think already. We've heard it all year. We know they can't discern who is who in it which is understandable since it is the enemy to BIG govt your side loves. What we want to see is who is who in the movement but it's origins was among libertarians. Because people who are being labeled as TPs who have won are NOT. They are NCs on FP.

BTW your cartoon strip could equally apply to those who look to govt for just about everything despite it's track record.

patteeu
09-16-2010, 01:03 PM
Great post, but I differ with your last take. I think someone who is palatable (not perfect, but palatable) to both branches of the movement will emerge to secure the nomination. I know he has routinely denied that he is interested, but I really think Mitch Daniels is on the move.

My guess is that Tea Party supporters like yourself will be very suspicious about Daniels getting the backing of the RNC. Anyone that they support will likely be seen as a 'puppet'. But of all the candidates likely to get backing form the RNC and media spin as a 'electable' candidate' Daniels comes as close as anyone to what the Tea party wants to represent them.

I love Paul. He makes a ton of sense. I have and will vote for him. Palin is a campaigner and we've seen the results of electing someone like that the last two years. If the Republicans can somehow break out of their traditional mold of nominating the next guy in line, I think Daniels is the guy, IMO.

Based on what I read, I think Daniels will run. I think he'd make a good president, but I don't know if he'll be a good candidate. I think Haley Barbour is another possibility because of his presence and the way he performed during some pretty high profile natural disasters. He and Daniels are close and I read an interesting prediction that that Daniels would be Barbour's choice as a running mate if he gets the nomination.

SNR
09-16-2010, 02:42 PM
Based on what I read, I think Daniels will run. I think he'd make a good president, but I don't know if he'll be a good candidate. I think Haley Barbour is another possibility because of his presence and the way he performed during some pretty high profile natural disasters. He and Daniels are close and I read an interesting prediction that that Daniels would be Barbour's choice as a running mate if he gets the nomination.I would prefer Daniels to be the prez and Barbour the VP, not the other way around

Chief Henry
09-16-2010, 02:50 PM
Sometimes nutbags are actually, really nutbags. Go to a DNC rally & look at the signs like I do. They say Bush is

* Adolf Hitler
* Osama bin Laden
* Saddam Hussein
* Joseph Stalin
* King George III
* Satan
* The Anti-Christ
* Socialists
* Communists
* Marxists
* Fascists
* Nazis
* Tyrant
* Traitor
* Thief
* Liar
* Racist
* Puppet
* Scam Artist
* False messiah
* Pirate
* Proponent of eugenics
* Administration controlling MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN (aka, everything not Fox News)
* Un-American
* Kenyan
* Russian
* Muslim
* Jew
* Terrorist

http://anonymouspond.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_deliver-us-from-evil.jpg


Fixed your post

ROYC75
09-16-2010, 03:08 PM
Dang it Duck, you sure are quacking up a storm today.

BucEyedPea
09-16-2010, 03:27 PM
Here is a link to a prior post in which I provided a link to a lengthy article on him:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=229243&highlight=Mitch+Daniels
Thanks. I love this:
One of the best quotes:
“Never take a dollar from a free citizen through the coercion of taxation without a very legitimate purpose,” he said in an interview last year. “We have a solemn duty to spend that dollar as carefully as possible, because when we took it we diminished that person’s freedom.”

patteeu
09-16-2010, 08:34 PM
I would prefer Daniels to be the prez and Barbour the VP, not the other way around

I'd be fine with either one.

irishjayhawk
09-16-2010, 09:10 PM
TJ, you do realize that buzzwords can also be found in relation to libertarians and Ron Paul, right?

BucEyedPea
09-17-2010, 07:08 AM
TJ, you do realize that buzzwords can also be found in relation to libertarians and Ron Paul, right?

Is that why you have a quote by libertarian in your sig? :rolleyes:

blaise
09-17-2010, 07:20 AM
The Tea Party is a bunch of RWNJ dangerous radicals spewing hate. The whole lot of them. It doesn't matter if some claim that they're just trying to do what's best for the country in a peaceful manner, the fact that there's some there that spew hate is enough to indict the whole.

On the other hand, if you imply in any way that Muslims as a group are violent, or raise any questions about the sensibility of the "Ground Zero Mosque" you're immediately bigoted, unfairly judging a group by the actions of a few, and racist.

donkhater
09-17-2010, 07:38 AM
I'd be fine with either one.

I don't think there is a chance in hell either Barbour or Daniels would accept a VP role. Why would they? It, for the most part, is a pretty invisible position.

Unless you are young (which Barbour and Daniels are not) and feel as though a VP role would catapult you into the presidiency.

Gore tried it with Clinton and Palin tried it with McCain. No way in hell Biden gets the Dem nomination in 2016 if (god forbid) Obama wins a secod term.

I would feel like a Daniels/Ryan would be more likely.

ROYC75
09-17-2010, 09:53 AM
The Tea Party is a bunch of RWNJ dangerous radicals spewing hate. The whole lot of them. It doesn't matter if some claim that they're just trying to do what's best for the country in a peaceful manner, the fact that there's some there that spew hate is enough to indict the whole.

On the other hand, if you imply in any way that Muslims as a group are violent, or raise any questions about the sensibility of the "Ground Zero Mosque" you're immediately bigoted, unfairly judging a group by the actions of a few, and racist.


Nice Liberal spin .......... Got More ?

Oh, you left out the LWNJ with your rant. Of which, there are more of according to media polls of conservatives vs liberals.

Keep up the good work, your future on MSNBC is around the corner. Maybe you and Keith could make a world tour like Bill & Glenn does.

Here I thought you were a R or at least a conservative.

blaise
09-17-2010, 10:01 AM
Nice Liberal spin .......... Got More ?

Oh, you left out the LWNJ with your rant. Of which, there are more of according to media polls of conservatives vs liberals.

Keep up the good work, your future on MSNBC is around the corner. Maybe you and Keith could make a world tour like Bill & Glenn does.

The difference between Olbermann and Beck is that Olbermann is interested in exposing truth and hypocrisy. Beck is just spewing venom that furthers his own agenda. If Olbermann went on tour the crowd would be there in the interests of justice and honor. Beck's supporters were there for hate and racism. THAT, my friend, is the difference.

ROYC75
09-17-2010, 10:03 AM
The difference between Olbermann and Beck is that Olbermann is interested in exposing truth and hypocrisy. Beck is just spewing venom that furthers his own agenda. If Olbermann went on tour the crowd would be there in the interests of justice and honor. Beck's supporters were there for hate and racism. THAT, my friend, is the difference.


ROFL Come on, you can't be SERIOUS !ROFL

Either way, Thanks for the laugh. :clap::D:

Chief Henry
09-17-2010, 10:04 AM
The difference between Olbermann and Beck is that Olbermann is interested in exposing truth and hypocrisy. Beck is just spewing venom that furthers his own agenda. If Olbermann went on tour the crowd would be there in the interests of justice and honor. Beck's supporters were there for hate and racism. THAT, my friend, is the difference.

ROFL :stupid:

blaise
09-17-2010, 10:28 AM
ROFL :stupid:

The tea party is a danger to the democratic process and our county's safety. It's high time we got liberal equal time on the radio to combat the RWNJ monopoly of propaganda.

patteeu
09-17-2010, 10:29 AM
I don't think there is a chance in hell either Barbour or Daniels would accept a VP role. Why would they? It, for the most part, is a pretty invisible position.

Unless you are young (which Barbour and Daniels are not) and feel as though a VP role would catapult you into the presidiency.

Gore tried it with Clinton and Palin tried it with McCain. No way in hell Biden gets the Dem nomination in 2016 if (god forbid) Obama wins a secod term.

I would feel like a Daniels/Ryan would be more likely.

There are plenty of historical examples of people who weren't young and didn't necessarily have good prospects of later ascending to the presidency accepting the VP post. Dick Cheney and Joe Biden to name two recent ones. If Daniels and Barbour covet the presidency out of personal ambition, then I'd agree with you. If they want to make a difference and serve their country, then I don't.

I'd be a big fan of a Daniels/Ryan ticket, but one thing that pairing wouldn't have that the Daniels/Barbour or Barbour/Daniels ticket would have is geographical diversity. Geographical diversity seems less important than it used to be, but it's not trivial, IMO. It also lacks diversity in terms of primary policy strength with both Daniels and Ryan being big on fiscal sanity and economic conservatism. Of course, in the current environment, that might be a big advantage.

ROYC75
09-17-2010, 10:31 AM
The tea party is a danger to the democratic process and our county's safety. It's high time we got liberal equal time on the radio to combat the RWNJ monopoly of propaganda.

You get that Liberal media everyday on about 80 % of all TV & radio markets.


What do you want total dictatorship control over the media ?:shake:

SNR
09-17-2010, 10:42 AM
I think blaise is doing his best demonpenz impression, guys

Cave Johnson
09-17-2010, 10:52 AM
I think blaise is doing his best demonpenz impression, guys

Shhhhhhhhhhhh.

patteeu
09-17-2010, 10:54 AM
I think blaise is doing his best demonpenz impression, guys

guy

Chiefshrink
09-18-2010, 05:43 PM
The Tea Party is the "silent majority" that is silent no more. Conservatives from the Repub,Dem,Ind and Libert parties all coming together. Anybody who thinks the "Tea Party" is just a bunch of "rightwingers" from the Repub party only is "politically ignorant":rolleyes: But the Alinskyizing by the Dems and MSM would have you think otherwise.

I love the fact Rove and Krauthammer are being taken to the woodshed right now and being exposed as elitists themselves and will have a severe humbling coming this Nov. Rove is pissed because he actually lost because he was hired by Castle as a political consultant. Krauthammer is being too much of an idealogue on the Buckley Rule. Which leads me to believe that even both of these so-called conservatives have greatly underestimated the Tea Party as well like the Dems. It's all good to me though. Clean house and send a message that Conservatives whether Repub,Dem,Ind or Libert will not be ignored and truly have the power when they all(Rep,Dem,Liber and Ind) COME TOGETHER :thumb:

The Political Sunami is coming and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdue.:rolleyes:

Ugly Duck
09-18-2010, 06:32 PM
The Tea Party is the "silent majority" that is silent no more.

A majority consisting of 12 to 14%. Wimpiest Political Tsunami ever.

Chiefshrink
09-18-2010, 08:27 PM
A majority consisting of 12 to 14%. Wimpiest Political Tsunami ever.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Denial is a wonderful state of mind isn't it "DuckTard"!! Reality hits Nov 2. :rolleyes:

BTW how'd it feel getting McClusterF'd this last Monday night????:D

SNR
09-18-2010, 08:59 PM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Denial is a wonderful state of mind isn't it "DuckTard"!! Reality hits Nov 2. :rolleyes:

BTW how'd it feel getting McClusterF'd this last Monday night????:DDuck's a Raiders fan

Chief Henry
09-20-2010, 11:32 AM
Duck's a Raiders fan


That explains alot then.

go bowe
09-20-2010, 01:35 PM
A majority consisting of 12 to 14%. Wimpiest Political Tsunami ever.tsunami?

more like tide...

go bowe
09-20-2010, 01:37 PM
That explains alot then.love your sig:
How Smart can Obama be when he can't even pronounce the word "corpsman" ??? Hey Barack, is it 50 states or 57 states ???

btw, it's corpse, man...

Taco John
09-20-2010, 01:45 PM
A majority consisting of 12 to 14%. Wimpiest Political Tsunami ever.

Will you still be saying that when the Democrats respond to it by nominating and electing more Blue Dog democrats?

Ugly Duck
09-20-2010, 11:37 PM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL Denial is a wonderful state of mind isn't it "DuckTard"!!

OK.. I was wrong. You guyz are gaining strength... usta be 12% to 14% identified themselves as Tea Party. Now its up to 18%. That still doesn't qualify as any "silent majority" type political tsunami. I'm not "denying" stuff - I'm just reading stuff:

NY Times: The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html