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BossChief
09-19-2010, 10:44 AM
Besides his epic crossbar hail mary, he had a pretty good game against Cleveland last year. I'm anxious to see how he plays today against those corners and defense overall.

Let this thread be dedicated to his success of failure today...whichever it may be.

Short Leash Hootie
09-19-2010, 10:49 AM
15-24 185 1 TD 1 INT

Chiefs 20
Browns 13

milkman
09-19-2010, 10:51 AM
"success of failure"

That actually is a great line to describe Cassel's play.

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 10:52 AM
250 yards . 200 yards coming in YAC.

milkman
09-19-2010, 10:52 AM
13 of 21, 170, 1-1

Hug it Out Dan
09-19-2010, 11:09 AM
already whippin out the old dink n dunk

Hug it Out Dan
09-19-2010, 11:12 AM
cant even throw a 10 yd out pattern.

JFC. Even if the WR didn't lose footing, there was no way that would have been in bounds.

shitty god damn throw.

Gracie Dean
09-19-2010, 11:56 AM
farkin SUCKS

Bowser
09-19-2010, 11:57 AM
*farts in Cassel's general direction*

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 12:07 PM
Him and Wies both need to be fucking gone after today....

Buttfront and Cassel can hitch hike home...

They both fucking suck.

Rudy lost the toss
09-19-2010, 12:18 PM
I miss Bono so much right now

58kcfan89
09-19-2010, 12:23 PM
I don't know what took me so long, but I'm now fully on the "Cassel sucks" bandwagon.

SNR
09-19-2010, 12:25 PM
I miss Thigpen so much right nowFYP

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 12:25 PM
Fuck em

royr17
09-19-2010, 12:28 PM
Somebody needs to blow Matt Cassels knees out, I'd rather see Brodie Croyle instead, Cassel is pissing me off ... Hey Trent do you wanna come out of retirement ?

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 12:32 PM
cassel's not even worth discussion



he's an embarrassment that Pioli will never live down...


...or pioli zombie, that dumb pats fan, and anyone else who swooned as the retard played...."he just needs 44 more games..."

Brock
09-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Fuck this guy.

oaklandhater
09-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Plz for the love of god BENCH HIM...

SNR
09-19-2010, 12:34 PM
Matt, I don't want you to die, but seriously... get the fuck off my team

Bane
09-19-2010, 12:36 PM
cassel's not even worth discussion



he's an embarrassment that Pioli will never live down...


...or pioli zombie, that dumb pats fan, and anyone else who swooned as the retard played...."he just needs 44 more games..."

A well deserved one too.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 12:36 PM
QB rating of


19.8

Agent V
09-19-2010, 12:37 PM
Matt, I don't want you to die, but seriously... get the fuck off my team

I... I kinda want him to die.

Tactical Funky
09-19-2010, 12:39 PM
I was all about giving Cassel a chance to prove himself this season, but...

My patience is nearly gone. And Weis's playcalling is awful. And our receivers are slow and can't get open. Just an awesome trifecta.

InChiefsHell
09-19-2010, 12:40 PM
It's painfully obvious now. Cassel was a one hit wonder with the Pats. Last year, no tools. Fine, now he has some tools. Still can't throw the long ball with any accuracy or dependability. How many damn passes have been tipped?

He just ain't got it. I'm sure he's a hard worker and a real nice guy, but frankly, I don't give a shit.

Bane
09-19-2010, 12:41 PM
I... I kinda want him to die.

I'd be happy if he got hurt just enough to never play again.For KC anyway.

Psyko Tek
09-19-2010, 12:42 PM
put him in the booth

Rudy lost the toss
09-19-2010, 12:42 PM
Not since Huard....

Shit that was only a few years ago

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 12:43 PM
amazing how that cock jockey pats fan is no where to be found....

Fritz88
09-19-2010, 12:43 PM
http://i.imgur.com/M4L2V.jpg

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-19-2010, 12:44 PM
Matt, I don't want you to die, but seriously... get the fuck off my team

I don't mind him on the team...Just get him a prime seat on the bench and a 75% pay cut

Bane
09-19-2010, 12:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/M4L2V.jpg

Ryan Leaf is laughing somewhere.

JD10367
09-19-2010, 12:46 PM
I was all about giving Cassel a chance to prove himself this season, but...

My patience is nearly gone. And Weis's playcalling is awful. And our receivers are slow and can't get open. Just an awesome trifecta.

It's painfully obvious now. Cassel was a one hit wonder with the Pats. Last year, no tools. Fine, now he has some tools. Still can't throw the long ball with any accuracy or dependability. How many damn passes have been tipped?

He just ain't got it. I'm sure he's a hard worker and a real nice guy, but frankly, I don't give a shit.

As I said elsewhere this week, it was "put up or shut up" time for this kid. He's had all the excuses--new team, new HC, new system, bad players, etc.,. O-line not blocking, receivers not catching, moon not in phase, his astrological sign rising in Uranus... This was the week, these games were the time, for him to either climb to the top of the mountain or fall down the fucker. And he fell right off the fucking mountain.

I really thought he'd shown something in New England. But now it's apparent that, in the situation he was put into, pretty much any QB could've done well.

In sympathy and support, enjoy my new avatar.

PRIEST
09-19-2010, 12:47 PM
cassel's not even worth discussion



he's an embarrassment that Pioli will never live down...


...or pioli zombie, that dumb pats fan, and anyone else who swooned as the retard played...."he just needs 44 more games..."



This & Cassel Phuking sucks

BWillie
09-19-2010, 12:48 PM
Cassel sucks, but even with his two interceptions he's looking better than last game. That is the funny part of it all.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 12:49 PM
As I said elsewhere this week, it was "put up or shut up" time for this kid. He's had all the excuses--new team, new HC, new system, bad players, etc.,. O-line not blocking, receivers not catching, moon not in phase, his astrological sign rising in Uranus... This was the week, these games were the time, for him to either climb to the top of the mountain or fall down the ****er. And he fell right off the ****ing mountain.

I really thought he'd shown something in New England. But now it's apparent that, in the situation he was put into, pretty much any QB could've done well.

In sympathy and support, enjoy my new avatar.

awesome

Cassel's #1 ball washer pretends to see what was obvious to anyone with a cortex...


now enough crow in Crowsville

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 12:50 PM
As I said elsewhere this week, it was "put up or shut up" time for this kid. He's had all the excuses--new team, new HC, new system, bad players, etc.,. O-line not blocking, receivers not catching, moon not in phase, his astrological sign rising in Uranus... This was the week, these games were the time, for him to either climb to the top of the mountain or fall down the fucker. And he fell right off the fucking mountain.

I really thought he'd shown something in New England. But now it's apparent that, in the situation he was put into, pretty much any QB could've done well.

In sympathy and support, enjoy my new avatar.

It's about time.

crazychiefsfan
09-19-2010, 12:50 PM
I HATE HIM :cuss:

MadMax
09-19-2010, 12:52 PM
only 8 more yards and he reaches his season high :) What a POS we have at QB!!!!

ChiefsCountry
09-19-2010, 12:55 PM
I wish the majority of you had seen this on Feburary 28, 2009 like a few of us did.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 12:55 PM
It's painfully obvious now. Cassel was a one hit wonder with the Pats. Last year, no tools. Fine, now he has some tools. Still can't throw the long ball with any accuracy or dependability. How many damn passes have been tipped?

He just ain't got it. I'm sure he's a hard worker and a real nice guy, but frankly, I don't give a shit.



Sure wish I coulda got 60 mil for being a "nice guy" and hard worker :(

MadMax
09-19-2010, 12:57 PM
Sad and pathetic thing is if they somehow pull off a victory a lot of you will be back on that cock..

Bane
09-19-2010, 12:58 PM
Sure wish I coulda got 60 mil for being a "nice guy" and hard worker :(

If nothing else,I can act the part as good as him.

JD10367
09-19-2010, 12:58 PM
awesome

Cassel's #1 ball washer pretends to see what was obvious to anyone with a cortex...


now enough crow in Crowsville

Go fuck yourself. I was probably his #2 ball washer. :D

Hey, he had amazing numbers in New England. He did better with them in 2008 than Brady did in 2009. He threw for 400 yards in consecutive games (only the 5th QB to do so in NFL history at that time). And he had some legitimate excuses. There was no reason to believe it WASN'T the lack of an OC, the lack of weapons, his crappy blocking O-line, the receivers dropping balls, etc.,. But he has no excuses any more.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is not finally admitting you made a mistake. I made a mistake in thinking he was capable. Hopefully for your sake Pioli, Haley, and Weis have that realization sooner rather than later.

Bane
09-19-2010, 01:08 PM
Go **** yourself. I was probably his #2 ball washer. :D

Hey, he had amazing numbers in New England. He did better with them in 2008 than Brady did in 2009. He threw for 400 yards in consecutive games (only the 5th QB to do so in NFL history at that time). And he had some legitimate excuses. There was no reason to believe it WASN'T the lack of an OC, the lack of weapons, his crappy blocking O-line, the receivers dropping balls, etc.,. But he has no excuses any more.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is not finally admitting you made a mistake. I made a mistake in thinking he was capable. Hopefully for your sake Pioli, Haley, and Weis have that realization sooner rather than later.

But he also lost 5 times as many games as Brady did in 07.ROFL

Seriously though,I thought the guy sucked ass from day 1.I still remember the game where Cassel came in because NE was up by like 30,and his first pass was a terrible INT and Brady had to come right back in.

Sofa King
09-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Well, time to contribute....


Fuck Matt Cassel

Sanka
09-19-2010, 01:45 PM
Shitting your pants > Matt Cassel
Hangovers > Matt Cassel

shocked
09-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Go **** yourself. I was probably his #2 ball washer. :D

Hey, he had amazing numbers in New England. He did better with them in 2008 than Brady did in 2009. He threw for 400 yards in consecutive games (only the 5th QB to do so in NFL history at that time). And he had some legitimate excuses. There was no reason to believe it WASN'T the lack of an OC, the lack of weapons, his crappy blocking O-line, the receivers dropping balls, etc.,. But he has no excuses any more.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is not finally admitting you made a mistake. I made a mistake in thinking he was capable. Hopefully for your sake Pioli, Haley, and Weis have that realization sooner rather than later.

1) Cassel had fairly pedestrian numbers in NE save a few games vs some weak competition (easiest schedule in NFL that year).

2) Brady in 2009 - despite taking half the season to get in gear - was unequivocally better with a much worse team (so many vets left after 2008) and a much harder schedule (toughest a QB has faced since 1993).

3) Cassel was never very good. Even in NE.

Molitoth
09-19-2010, 01:56 PM
Terrible cassel

SNR
09-19-2010, 01:57 PM
Terrence Copper > Matt Cassel

bishop_74
09-19-2010, 02:03 PM
Toe Fungus > Cassel?

MadMax
09-19-2010, 02:05 PM
ROFL!!! JD used Cassel and amazing in the same sentence.. :) Comedy gold right there.

Bane
09-19-2010, 02:05 PM
Cassel threw half as many INT's as Flacco./Cassel ball washersROFL

Tactical Funky
09-19-2010, 02:06 PM
In all due fairness, Cassel looked a lot better in the second half. Of course, it's hard to look worse than he did in the first two quarters. The offensive playcalling in the second half was much improved; the no-huddle was key.

Bane
09-19-2010, 02:08 PM
I just want his sorry ass gone.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 02:13 PM
I just want his sorry ass gone.




You and me both Bane!!! He just needs to go away.

Baby Lee
09-19-2010, 02:15 PM
I just want his sorry ass gone.

Get ready for a presser full of 'Cassel coming into his own in the second half'

Rudy lost the toss
09-19-2010, 02:20 PM
He did play better in the second half with the O-line doing a great job. The missed pass to Bowe was cringing but it might have been miscommunication. Overall....GTFO, Cassel

Dartgod
09-19-2010, 02:22 PM
I'm still not sold on Cassel, but I have to give him credit for a pretty decent 2nd half. 8-12 for 116 yards by my calculation.

Mr. Laz
09-19-2010, 02:23 PM
it's weird that Cassel looks almost completely different when he is in the hurry-up offense.

regular offense = cassel looks like he is brain damaged
hurry-up offense = actually looks like an NFL QB (not a great one but at least NFL level)

keg in kc
09-19-2010, 02:24 PM
Cassel looked hyper in the first half, like an inexperienced QB pushing everything on a day where he wanted to go out and prove something. Thankfully he calmed down after halftime. We'd have lost without several of the 3rd down throws he made, throws he wasn't making last week or in the first half.

I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck Cleveland was thinking targetting BFlowers.

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 02:24 PM
Damn he pisses me off. I am bashing the shit out of him and then he plays a decent half.

I am pretty much done with Cassel but Weis had a lot to do with the 1st half retardation.

Dave Lane
09-19-2010, 02:24 PM
I agree DG, stop with all the hate. When he had some time in the pocket he looked pretty good. Poised even. Tons better than his deer in the headlights scared look he gets sometimes.

crazychiefsfan
09-19-2010, 02:24 PM
it's weird that Cassel looks almost completely different when he is in the hurry-up offense.

regular offense = cassel looks like he is brain damaged
hurry-up offense = actually looks like an NFL QB (not a great one but at least NFL level)

He's still brain damaged. The guy has nothing to give to this team

Dartgod
09-19-2010, 02:26 PM
I agree DG, stop with all the hate. When he had some time in the pocket he looked pretty good. Poised even. Tons better than his deer in the headlights scared look he gets sometimes.
Oh, I still hate him.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 02:28 PM
He did not look good in the second half. I'm thinking of the crossing route to Bowe that was still thrown to the back shoulder, preventing what would have been a big play. And this was a completion.

Mediocre? Ok, especially in comparison to the train wreck that was the first half.

He never looked poised. That's ridiculous.

ChiefsCountry
09-19-2010, 02:28 PM
Lot of garbage yards for Cassel. He sucked on 3rd downs and in the red zone. Lucky that Cleveland blows ass.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 02:38 PM
Matt Cassel 46.1 QB rating

0tds
2int


he's a flaming god damn catastrophe, and by far the worst player on our team who hasn't earned a single fucking nickle of his paycheck


and who also is single handed-ly making our 'playmakers' look like retards...

Valiant
09-19-2010, 02:41 PM
I agree DG, stop with all the hate. When he had some time in the pocket he looked pretty good. Poised even. Tons better than his deer in the headlights scared look he gets sometimes.

You mean most of the time.. When there is no real pressure either..

FAX
09-19-2010, 02:43 PM
46.1 ?

Damn.

FAX

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 02:43 PM
I agree DG, stop with all the hate. When he had some time in the pocket he looked pretty good. Poised even. Tons better than his deer in the headlights scared look he gets sometimes.

What do you mean "when" he had time in the pocket? He had time in the pocket all game? How much longer are we going to use this pass protection excuse?

Deberg_1990
09-19-2010, 02:44 PM
Unfortunately, as long as the Chiefs are winning, they wont make a QB change.

O.city
09-19-2010, 02:44 PM
It just amazes me how he will make a good throw (couple to Moeaki and Chambers and Bowe) then come back and miss one like to Bowe that if is a front shoulder throw it's an easy catch. It is nice however to see that when he does get it close to any of the receivers so far this year they are catching it. His two interceptions or atleast his first one was not totally on him. Chambers should fight a little more for that ball but I didn't see the second one. He threw a few good touch passes as well today. WE however must get better in the red zone. Can't always settle for field goals

FAX
09-19-2010, 02:44 PM
Haley just saying that "Matt" played well under difficult circumstances.

I think the "difficult circumstances" he was referring to was taking the snap.

FAX

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 02:45 PM
I am on the Cassel sucks bandwagon. He is hurting the team, period.

Bane
09-19-2010, 02:46 PM
Cassel looked hyper in the first half, like an inexperienced QB pushing everything on a day where he wanted to go out and prove something. Thankfully he calmed down after halftime. We'd have lost without several of the 3rd down throws he made, throws he wasn't making last week or in the first half.

I'm still trying to figure out what the **** Cleveland was thinking targetting BFlowers.

Mangenius at his finest.

Deberg_1990
09-19-2010, 02:47 PM
Dudes mechanics and throwing motion are all over the map. I hate that 3/4 quarters motion he uses.

Bane
09-19-2010, 02:47 PM
I am on the Cassel sucks bandwagon. He is hurting the team, period.

Better late than never.I only waited till he signed his contract.

SNR
09-19-2010, 02:49 PM
About 70% of his snaps in which it was a pass he had 5 seconds or more to get rid of the ball.

That's gotta be good enough. It's not. He's still jittery, antsy, nervous, and throws a flutter ball that's behind the receiver, weak, not crisp, and not confident.

That's not what a team leader does.

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 02:51 PM
Dudes mechanics and throwing motion are all over the map. I hate that 3/4 quarters motion he uses.

What I HATE is when he winds up to throw and the ball floats out of his hand. If you're going to wind up, put some mustard.

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-19-2010, 02:52 PM
Terrence Copper > Matt Cassel

Tyler Thigpen>>>>>Matt Cassel

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 02:53 PM
Better late than never.I only waited till he signed his contract.

Problem is I don't think Croyle is any better for different reasons beyond health. I am willing to see though.

milkman
09-19-2010, 02:56 PM
What I HATE is when he winds up to throw and the ball floats out of his hand. If you're going to wind up, put some mustard.

The thing is, when he has an open receiver, and he's fully confident in his decision, he does actually throw with some zip.

Not great arm strength, but enough to get by in the NFL.

His problem is that he rarely has confidence in his decisions, and as a result his throws are tentative, and weak.

Deberg_1990
09-19-2010, 02:58 PM
The thing is, when he has an open receiver, and he's fully confident in his decision, he does actually throw with some zip.

Not great arm strength, but enough to get by in the NFL.

His problem is that he rarely has confidence in his decisions, and as a result his throws are tentative, and weak.

Yea, sometimes his throws do look good and are on the money...it just doesnt happen enough. We saw the same thing last year.

notorious
09-19-2010, 02:58 PM
Haley just saying that "Matt" played well under difficult circumstances.

I think the "difficult circumstances" he was referring to was taking the snap.

FAX

Having no talent could be defined as a difficult circumstance.

Jawshco
09-19-2010, 03:04 PM
Dudes mechanics and throwing motion are all over the map. I hate that 3/4 quarters motion he uses.

I was thinking the same thing. That stupid move wastes time. What's he do that for? He needs quicker decisions (there's no way to pin that all on the WR's & O-line), and crap like that slows him down and makes everyone look bad.

Wies and Cassel suck! Cassel looked better when Haley was calling the offense, but that's not saying much. It's time for Weis to push for Brodie or he's going to be out of job soon.

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 03:33 PM
I was thinking the same thing. That stupid move wastes time. What's he do that for? He needs quicker decisions (there's no way to pin that all on the WR's & O-line), and crap like that slows him down and makes everyone look bad.

Wies and Cassel suck! Cassel looked better when Haley was calling the offense, but that's not saying much. It's time for Weis to push for Brodie or he's going to be out of job soon.

This!

Very disappointed in Weis... 2 games in and the offensive play calling is pathetic.

I hope Haley gets him pointed in the right direction soon.

Bane
09-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Problem is I don't think Croyle is any better for different reasons beyond health. I am willing to see though.

First good hit Brodie took would put him on the shelf again for the season,and who is our 3rd stringer?ROFL

As far as I'm concerned we can dump every QB on the roster and start all over again at any point in time.

KC Tattoo
09-19-2010, 03:46 PM
Cassel making progress is like Wile Coyote making progress at catching the Roadrunner...

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scho63
09-19-2010, 04:08 PM
Cassel reminds me of Joe Flacco minus the arm strength. Never anything spectacular just sputters along. He spends too much time waiting for the receivers to get open, holds the ball way too long, and seems very easy to read as he watches his key receiver he is throwing to.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 04:36 PM
Unfortunately, as long as the Chiefs are winning, they wont make a QB change.




Please, that is what scares me the most. If we don't pull out a few wins with the D and special teams they will torture us with at least another year of his suckage.:deevee::deevee::deevee: HE IS NOT EVEN AN AVERAGE QB!!!!! FUCK!!!

petegz28
09-19-2010, 04:38 PM
If Cassel can consistently play like he did in the 2nd half we will be fine. But consistency is the key.

Bane
09-19-2010, 04:57 PM
If Cassel can consistently play like he did in the 2nd half we will be fine. But consistency is the key.

I absolutely disagree.He must play better period.

oaklandhater
09-19-2010, 05:00 PM
I absolutely disagree.He must play better period.

This Cassel went from horrid to trash in the 2nd half.

Luke
09-19-2010, 05:02 PM
What was Matt complaining about early in the 3rd ? He seemed to be saying something about the play that had been called?

How long will it take before he is fixed? Evidently he has already been neutered. I suposse if I had spent 63 million on a lemon Ms. Luke would insist I drive it for a couple of years.

oaklandhater
09-19-2010, 05:04 PM
its so bad right now I would say cassel is one of the worst 5 Starting QB's in the league.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 05:08 PM
If Cassel can consistently play like he did in the 2nd half we will be fine. But consistency is the key.

:doh!:


jesus, we have defined down QB play so low that basically all you have to do is not die while on the field...

KC kid
09-19-2010, 05:09 PM
chiefs fans would be murdering brady today

oaklandhater
09-19-2010, 05:10 PM
:doh!:


jesus, we have defined down QB play so low that basically all you have to do is not die while on the field...

our last 2 Qb's were huard and Cassel so the bar is not set to high.

Bane
09-19-2010, 05:14 PM
its so bad right now I would say cassel is one of the worst 5 Starting QB's in the league.

He was 44 of 46 last year.

Deberg_1990
09-19-2010, 05:15 PM
Please, that is what scares me the most. If we don't pull out a few wins with the D and special teams they will torture us with at least another year of his suckage.:deevee::deevee::deevee: HE IS NOT EVEN AN AVERAGE QB!!!!! ****!!!

Its true......Coaches are always reluctant to make changes if the "TEAM" is successful.

Id like to think that Pioli/Haley are smart enough to cut their losses with this chump after the season though..

oaklandhater
09-19-2010, 05:18 PM
He was 44 of 46 last year.

and we still made him the starter for this season Go Chiefs.....

Bane
09-19-2010, 05:18 PM
Its true......Coaches are always reluctant to make changes if the "TEAM" is successful.

Id like to think that Pioli/Haley are smart enough to cut their losses with this chump after the season though..

I stated before that I never have and never will hope for a KC loss,not even if it meant running off Casshole.Having said that I also believe as long as the day ends with a W,he stays in @ starting QB.

smittysbar
09-19-2010, 06:35 PM
He is hurting the team, and I can't stand that they keep marching his worthless ass back out there series after series. But WTF do I know, I would also think that Charles should be getting the ball A LOT more, guess Haley and company think different.

lcarus
09-19-2010, 06:37 PM
I don't think very highly of Croyle, but there are clearly throws that he can make that Cassel can't. That is reason enough to start him in my opinion.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2010, 06:51 PM
I wonder how poor Cassel will have to play before Haley will give him the hook?

Tribal Warfare
09-19-2010, 06:58 PM
I wonder how poor Cassel will have to play before Haley will give him the hook?

It won't be up to Haley, because good ole Matt is Pioli's guy. It will be up to Scott to whether to yank him or not as the starter.

SNR
09-19-2010, 06:58 PM
chiefs fans would be murdering brady todayIf Cassel wins this team 3 Super Bowls I will forgive the occasional bad game.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 07:10 PM
Its true......Coaches are always reluctant to make changes if the "TEAM" is successful.

Id like to think that Pioli/Haley are smart enough to cut their losses with this chump after the season though..




Sadly my friend I don't have that faith in this bunch of clowns.

</post>
09-19-2010, 07:13 PM
What was Matt complaining about early in the 3rd ? He seemed to be saying something about the play that had been called?

How long will it take before he is fixed? Evidently he has already been neutered. I suposse if I had spent 63 million on a lemon Ms. Luke would insist I drive it for a couple of years.

It's like buying a shit used car and pouring paycheck after paycheck to fix all of it's problems you didn't take the time to look at when you bought it. Pioli didn't do the research. Pioli didn't shop around. It's classic post-purchase rationalization bullshit. The best thing the Chiefs could do at this point is stage an intervention.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 07:13 PM
They have won, I am happy about that, but wait till not having a "decent" QB starts showing. We will get beat like a freaking drum. :( Just saying.

DBOSHO
09-19-2010, 07:31 PM
I honestly believe we would have at least 5 more Tds if croyle had played these past 2 games. Matt is turrible

BossChief
09-19-2010, 07:37 PM
I wonder what KnowMo would be saying about Cassel if he was a Chiefs fan.

Bane
09-19-2010, 07:38 PM
I wonder what KnowMo would be saying about Cassel if he was a Chiefs fan.

Surely there's 1 twatter post somewhere that says he's fine.ROFL

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09-19-2010, 07:55 PM
I honestly believe we would have at least 5 more Tds if croyle had played these past 2 games. Matt is turrible

The best thing about Croyle playing in a game is that it would free up his roster spot for FA QB. :sulk:

teedubya
09-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Cassel reminds me of Joe Flacco minus the arm strength. Never anything spectacular just sputters along. He spends too much time waiting for the receivers to get open, holds the ball way too long, and seems very easy to read as he watches his key receiver he is throwing to.

Cassel reminds me of a steak dinner at Hereford House when I bought it... but now, I'm looking at it in my toilet... and the turd won't flush. It keeps floating back up... and won't go away.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-19-2010, 08:11 PM
We were a good QB a way from beating the Browns like 38-14.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-19-2010, 08:18 PM
Booger-eating Pee-Wee league QB>>>>>>>Matt Cassel.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 08:20 PM
Honestly, the league needs to implement the Cassel Rule.

We get to have 14 players on offense to negate our shit quarterback. It's only fair.

Saul Good
09-19-2010, 08:24 PM
It's like buying a shit used car and pouring paycheck after paycheck to fix all of it's problems you didn't take the time to look at when you bought it. Pioli didn't do the research. Pioli didn't shop around. It's classic post-purchase rationalization bullshit. The best thing the Chiefs could do at this point is stage an intervention.

Didn't do the research? What do you think Pioli was doing while Cassel was on the Patriots?

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Didn't do the research? What do you think Pioli was doing while Cassel was on the Patriots?

Employing Patriot Reign in the same fashion that a 70's teen used the JCPenney catalog.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 08:32 PM
Booger-eating Pee-Wee league QB>>>>>>>Matt Cassel.




Pioli loves him some Matty pee wee. What a fuckin joke our QB is. Good luck with your QBOTF Casselites. You can have that POS.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 08:34 PM
If Cassel wins this team 3 Super Bowls I will forgive the occasional bad game.




OMFG!!! What has he ever shown that would even resemble good?

MadMax
09-19-2010, 08:35 PM
Didn't do the research? What do you think Pioli was doing while Cassel was on the Patriots?



Sucking his cock???

Saul Good
09-19-2010, 08:36 PM
Sucking his cock???

Then you can't say he didn't do his homework. He may have gotten all of the answers wrong, but it wasn't for lack of research.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 08:46 PM
Didn't do the research? What do you think Pioli was doing while Cassel was on the Patriots?

spending hours a day on Blacksonblondes.com?

Coogs
09-19-2010, 08:53 PM
If Cassel can consistently play like he did in the 2nd half we will be fine. But consistency is the key.

I agree. He did a fine job of managing the game in the 2nd half. 63%, Just under 8 yards a pass, and an 87 QB ranking. Converted a few 3rd down plays as well.

Nothing legands are made of, but that is what our team needs out of him right now to win games.

And yes, I would rather have a franchise QB. But we don't have that right now. I used to think I was one of the biggest Cassel bashers on the Planet. I still don't much care for what he brings to the table, but he was able to lead us back from a 2nd half deficit for the win. I'll take his second half performance every single game.

First half performance... now that is a whole different story.

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09-19-2010, 09:00 PM
Didn't do the research? What do you think Pioli was doing while Cassel was on the Patriots?

I'm speaking more in regards to other options.

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09-19-2010, 09:00 PM
spending hours a day on Blacksonblondes.com?

or this

SNR
09-19-2010, 09:01 PM
OMFG!!! What has he ever shown that would even resemble good?I didn't say he was.

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09-19-2010, 09:08 PM
Then you can't say he didn't do his homework. He may have gotten all of the answers wrong, but it wasn't for lack of research.

If I ever failed a test and got every question wrong, I think I would say it's a safe bet that I didn't do my homework or at least I did my homework completely fucking wrong. I've seen both happen and either way you'll get the same "are you a some sort of fucktard?" look from your professor.

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 09:13 PM
What pisses me off the most, is when the very rare time one of our WR's is actually open, Cassel misses...

Its not like Cassel gets but 1 or 3 times a game to actually throw to the trash we have at WR.. God, I just realized how shitty our WR's are, how shitty our QB is, how shitty our OC is...

Talk about getting Kicked in the nuts after a win...

petegz28
09-19-2010, 09:13 PM
I agree. He did a fine job of managing the game in the 2nd half. 63%, Just under 8 yards a pass, and an 87 QB ranking. Converted a few 3rd down plays as well.

Nothing legands are made of, but that is what our team needs out of him right now to win games.

And yes, I would rather have a franchise QB. But we don't have that right now. I used to think I was one of the biggest Cassel bashers on the Planet. I still don't much care for what he brings to the table, but he was able to lead us back from a 2nd half deficit for the win. I'll take his second half performance every single game.

First half performance... now that is a whole different story.

If he played the 1st half like he did the 2nd we would have won easily. I am not looking for him to be all-world. Just manage the game, make good reads and keep the chains moving.

Coogs
09-19-2010, 09:16 PM
If he played the 1st half like he did the 2nd we would have won easily. I am not looking for him to be all-world. Just manage the game, make good reads and keep the chains moving.

Exactly!

Chiefs Pantalones
09-19-2010, 09:34 PM
If he played the 1st half like he did the 2nd we would have won easily. I am not looking for him to be all-world. Just manage the game, make good reads and keep the chains moving.

Yep. Like I mentioned, it would've been like 38-14. I just hope he improves.

notorious
09-19-2010, 09:36 PM
I agree. He did a fine job of managing the game in the 2nd half. 63%, Just under 8 yards a pass, and an 87 QB ranking. Converted a few 3rd down plays as well.






That is all we are asking of him. If he puts up that kind of half on a consistant basis we wil see a lot of hate subside.

notorious
09-19-2010, 09:38 PM
What pisses me off the most, is when the very rare time one of our WR's is actually open, Cassel misses...

Its not like Cassel gets but 1 or 3 times a game to actually throw to the trash we have at WR.. God, I just realized how shitty our WR's are, how shitty our QB is, how shitty our OC is...

Talk about getting Kicked in the nuts after a win...

He doesn't place the ball in a great spot for the receiver to continue in stride very often. That is definition of accuracy.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 09:38 PM
That is all we are asking of him. If he puts up that kind of half on a consistant basis we wil see a lot of hate subside.I want more out of him than that; but if he can just provide average play at the QB position we can make a run for the West.

Goddamn it Mark, is it that hard to be average??

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 09:40 PM
He doesn't place the ball in a great spot for the receiver to continue in stride very often. That is definition of accuracy.

Agree, but WHEN he gets the chance to throw the ball to an open reciever, he misses...

and with our WR's its not very often that they are open...

Dude isnt accurate or consistent, the wr's are slow and cant get separation... Its a recipe for suck...

TRR
09-19-2010, 09:41 PM
If he played the 1st half like he did the 2nd we would have won easily. I am not looking for him to be all-world. Just manage the game, make good reads and keep the chains moving.

Agree there. Cassel HAS to play better for KC to win some games later on against better competition.

Charlie Weis HAS to also realize that he needs to scale back the play calling to the things Cassel does (average) well. Cassel is awful in the shotgun, but looks like a QB when utilizing play-action. Cassel also looks way better hitting crossing routes than throwing go's. Where is the play action bootleg? Use his legs a bit...

Weis like Cassel has been very disappointing to this point.

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Pablo
09-19-2010, 09:42 PM
Agree, but WHEN he gets the chance to throw the ball to an open reciever, he misses...

and with our WR's its not very often that they are open...

Dude isnt accurate or consistent, the wr's are slow and cant get separation... Its a recipe for suck...The open ones are harder to hit. I mean, have you ever tried to throw a ball to a guy with 4 yards of separation. It's fucking difficult.

You really want to look for the WR that's covered by 3+ defenders. That way you're sure to complete the pass to somebody in the area.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 09:44 PM
Agree there. Cassel HAS to play better for KC to win some games later on against better competition.

Charlie Weis HAS to also realize that he needs to scale back the play calling to the things Cassel does (average) well. Cassel is awful in the shotgun, but looks like a QB when utilizing play-action. Cassel also looks way better hitting crossing routes than throwing go's. Where is the play action bootleg? Use his legs a bit...

Weis like Cassel has been very disappointing to this point.

Posted via Mobile DeviceHonestly, the only pass Cassel looks like an actual NFL QB is the crossing route. That's it.

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 09:44 PM
If he played the 1st half like he did the 2nd we would have won easily. I am not looking for him to be all-world. Just manage the game, make good reads and keep the chains moving.

also WTF is wrong with Weis. His play calling looked like some shit you would see in a DIII college.. Actually that is discrediting all the DIII schools..

The first half play calling was atrocious at best... Made Mr Mike Paul Solari Hackraye look like Bill fucking Walsh...

I wanted to puke. He needs to get his fucking shit together and fast... Second half was alot better. Haley probably went all "jesus fucking christ Charlie" on him at halftime.

notorious
09-19-2010, 09:45 PM
The open ones are harder to hit. I mean, have you ever tried to throw a ball to a guy with 4 yards of separation. It's ****ing difficult.

You really want to look for the WR that's covered by 3+ defenders. That way you're sure to complete the pass to somebody in the area.

LMAO


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Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 09:47 PM
Agree there. Cassel HAS to play better for KC to win some games later on against better competition.

Charlie Weis HAS to also realize that he needs to scale back the play calling to the things Cassel does (average) well. Cassel is awful in the shotgun, but looks like a QB when utilizing play-action. Cassel also looks way better hitting crossing routes than throwing go's. Where is the play action bootleg? Use his legs a bit...

Weis like Cassel has been very disappointing to this point.

Posted via Mobile Device

Very.. I thought at least he would work with Cassel and work with what little Cassel brings to the table. At this point, you can see the frustration in the eyes of Cassel.

I was expecting Miracles from Weis.... Sadly, I dont think he has what it takes to OC this team...

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 09:49 PM
He's a horrible fucking abomination of a player. He is, single-handedly, the worst acquisition in team history, not only for what we gave up (34 overall, 60 million), but for what we were "forced" ourselves to do at #3.

He's just an inexcusable abortion, and until Pioli brings in a legitimate QB, he should wear this trade like a Scarlet Letter.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 09:49 PM
I was expecting Miracles from Weis.... Sadly, I dont think he has what it takes to OC this team...*Pines for the days of Chan Gailey at OC*

TRR
09-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Honestly, the only pass Cassel looks like an actual NFL QB is the crossing route. That's it.

Then utilize the shit out of it. Quit putting him in the shotgun, and having slow Chambers and slow Bowe run go routes.

Obviously you need some diversity in your play-calling, but it seems Weis isn't about doing what Cassel is comfortable with. The same goes for the running plays being called.
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notorious
09-19-2010, 09:51 PM
*Pines for the days of Chan Gailey at OC*

That man truely made chicken salad out of chicken shit.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 09:52 PM
This shit is getting ridiculous. The only problem with Weis is that he's expected to design an offense with 3 specific goals.

1. Don't let Cassel kill us.
2. Score points.
3. Don't let Cassel kill us.

What the fuck is the man supposed to do? Open it up? Push the ball downfield? Yeah, LMAO, that would be pretty.

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 09:52 PM
Very.. I thought at least he would work with Cassel and work with what little Cassel brings to the table. At this point, you can see the frustration in the eyes of Cassel.

I was expecting Miracles from Weis.... Sadly, I dont think he has what it takes to OC this team...

You're being way too harsh. Weis is an outstanding OC. People were expecting him to come in with gadgetry and trick plays. He's not the kind of coach. He runs a very basic offense and it's exactly that simplicity that makes it so effective.

His offense works when players actually execute. The fact that our QB is so lousy that defenses are stacking the line and our QB is STILL incapable of completing a pass? That's unacceptable. Weis will never look passable until his QB does his fucking job.

notorious
09-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Weis never had amazing offenses. When he was in NE, they depended on their defense to win games, and Brady to convert 3rd downs.


Expect 20-23 ppg at the most from his offense.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 09:54 PM
I MISS THIGPEN.

He'd give us a better shot at winning the division. Fuck, that's a sad thought.

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 09:55 PM
Then utilize the shit out of it. Quit putting him in the shotgun, and having slow Chambers and slow Bowe run go routes.

Obviously you need some diversity in your play-calling, but it seems Weis isn't about doing what Cassel is comfortable with. The same goes for the running plays being called.
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When the entire defense is playing red zone defense on the 40 yard line, it's kind of hard to do much of anything horizontally. Weis tried to stretch the offense today early on. Cassel had plenty of opportunity to. What do you do when your QB is that bad that he can't beat an average secondary even when they're daring you to throw deep?

When that happens, your only option is to play right into their hands. So given that, the playcalling wasn't all that horrible.

DBOSHO
09-19-2010, 09:57 PM
I MISS THIGPEN.

He'd give us a better shot at winning the division. ****, that's a sad thought.

This. People can hate all they want, but he put up points.

SNR
09-19-2010, 09:58 PM
He's a horrible fucking abomination of a player. He is, single-handedly, the worst acquisition in team history, not only for what we gave up (34 overall, 60 million), but for what we were "forced" ourselves to do at #3.

He's just an inexcusable abortion, and until Pioli brings in a legitimate QB, he should wear this trade like a Scarlet Letter.ROFL

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:00 PM
In the six wins with Cassel under center he's averaged the following per game:

15/28 177 yards

.67 TD

.67 INT


If that's not winning in spite of your QB, I'm not sure what is.

Fucking embarrassing how much pressure we're putting on the rest of the team because of this asshat.

BWillie
09-19-2010, 10:00 PM
You know, Cassel isn't good but we have some of the worst wide receivers in the NFL. When you watch teams with good wide receivers, look at the separation they can get on crossing routes and out routes. It amplifies it all when you have a shitty QB. I'm not sure Dwayne Bowe is ever going to have the work ethic to be an elite #1 WR in this league. Dexter McCluster is a great Dante Hall type threat, but I'm not so sure he's going to be the answer at #2. If we could pick up a talent like Anquan Boldin and a decent QB like Matt Schaub we might be decent.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 10:00 PM
This. People can hate all they want, but he put up points.I just want to sing 'Gettin' Thiggy With It' One. Last. Time.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 10:02 PM
In the six wins with Cassel under center he's averaged the following per game:

15/28 177 yards

.67 TD

.67 INT


If that's not winning in spite of your QB, I'm not sure what is.

****ing embarrassing how much pressure we're putting on the rest of the team because of this asshat.It's awful. We put so much pressure on our young defense. I can't even get mad at them for blowing coverage sometimes. I'm sure they're all dying out there. They get a 3 minute break and then they're back on the field...fucking ridiculous.

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:02 PM
You know, Cassel isn't good but we have some of the worst wide receivers in the NFL. When you watch teams with good wide receivers, look at the separation they can get on crossing routes and out routes. It amplifies it all when you have a shitty QB. I'm not sure Dwayne Bowe is ever going to have the work ethic to be an elite #1 WR in this league. Dexter McCluster is a great Dante Hall type threat, but I'm not so sure he's going to be the answer at #2. If we could pick up a talent like Anquan Boldin and a decent QB like Matt Schaub we might be decent.

Yeah, Bowe was awful his first two years with Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen delivering the ball.

Amazing the depths some of you will go to to make excuses for shitty QB play.

There's nothing wrong with our WR's.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with our QB.

milkman
09-19-2010, 10:03 PM
You know, Cassel isn't good but we have some of the worst wide receivers in the NFL. When you watch teams with good wide receivers, look at the separation they can get on crossing routes and out routes. It amplifies it all when you have a shitty QB. I'm not sure Dwayne Bowe is ever going to have the work ethic to be an elite #1 WR in this league. Dexter McCluster is a great Dante Hall type threat, but I'm not so sure he's going to be the answer at #2. If we could pick up a talent like Anquan Boldin and a decent QB like Matt Schaub we might be decent.

People bitch about our WRs not getting seperation, but how do they get seperation if the defense is playing everything tight daring the QB to beat you deep?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 10:04 PM
You know, Cassel isn't good but we have some of the worst wide receivers in the NFL. When you watch teams with good wide receivers, look at the separation they can get on crossing routes and out routes. It amplifies it all when you have a shitty QB. I'm not sure Dwayne Bowe is ever going to have the work ethic to be an elite #1 WR in this league. Dexter McCluster is a great Dante Hall type threat, but I'm not so sure he's going to be the answer at #2. If we could pick up a talent like Anquan Boldin and a decent QB like Matt Schaub we might be decent.

McCluster wasn't drafted to be a #2, he was drafted to be a #3/slot guy/Dave Meggett.

I think we're all in agreement that we need a legit vertical threat. I don't think we need Calvin Johnson, but even a Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin who can blow the doors off a CB would greatly help this team.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 10:04 PM
You know, Cassel isn't good but we have some of the worst wide receivers in the NFL. When you watch teams with good wide receivers, look at the separation they can get on crossing routes and out routes. It amplifies it all when you have a shitty QB. I'm not sure Dwayne Bowe is ever going to have the work ethic to be an elite #1 WR in this league. Dexter McCluster is a great Dante Hall type threat, but I'm not so sure he's going to be the answer at #2. If we could pick up a talent like Anquan Boldin and a decent QB like Matt Schaub we might be decent.

He is?

Where are all the threads this week about our fucking aces second round?

Brock
09-19-2010, 10:04 PM
Very.. I thought at least he would work with Cassel and work with what little Cassel brings to the table. At this point, you can see the frustration in the eyes of Cassel.

I was expecting Miracles from Weis.... Sadly, I dont think he has what it takes to OC this team...

Yes, these two games have made it very clear.

Pablo
09-19-2010, 10:04 PM
Yeah, Bowe was awful his first two years with Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen delivering the ball.

Amazing the depths some of you will go to to make excuses for shitty QB play.

There's nothing wrong with our WR's.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with our QB.You could give 10 QB's in the league our WR's and there would be no marked drop-off in their teams' offensive production. I'm sure of this.

KCChiefsFan88
09-19-2010, 10:05 PM
Cassel is without question Steve Bono 2.0.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 10:05 PM
People bitch about our WRs not getting seperation, but how do they get seperation if the defense is playing everything tight daring the QB to beat you deep?

In fairness, this was never predicted, anywhere, before the season given our QB. No one could have foreseen that his inability would cause us to see 8 and 9 in the box, nor could we have forecast tight man coverage due to his inability to beat guys deep.

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:06 PM
McCluster wasn't drafted to be a #2, he was drafted to be a #3/slot guy/Dave Meggett.

I think we're all in agreement that we need a legit vertical threat. I don't think we need Calvin Johnson, but even a Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin who can blow the doors off a CB would greatly help this team.

A guy like that would be wasted, as the QB can't get him the fucking ball.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 10:06 PM
Yes, these two games have made it very clear.

Given Reerun's comprehension, I'm still shocked he hasn't turned a patch of runway in Salina into a pockmarked concrete conflagration of jet fuel and Cessna rivets.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 10:06 PM
You could give 10 QB's in the league our WR's and there would be no marked drop-off in their teams' offensive production. I'm sure of this.

Great QBs are always a product, first and foremost, of great OLs and great WRs. We just saw a perfect example of this tonight in IND.

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:07 PM
Given Reerun's comprehension, I'm still shocked he hasn't turned a patch of runway in Salina into a pockmarked concrete conflagration of jet fuel and Cessna rivets.

ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 10:07 PM
A guy like that would be wasted, as the QB can't get him the fucking ball.

You're assuming I don't advocate giving Cassel a blood eagle on the 50 yard line 10 minutes before the next home game.

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 10:07 PM
McCluster wasn't drafted to be a #2, he was drafted to be a #3/slot guy/Dave Meggett.

I think we're all in agreement that we need a legit vertical threat. I don't think we need Calvin Johnson, but even a Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin who can blow the doors off a CB would greatly help this team.

Can't remember who it was that said McCluster has the potential to be a Welker-type receiver, but the problem is that you have to have threats to go deep so he can slip underneath the coverage.

I think that's 100% true. He's getting a lot of the same routes that Welker runs, but the defenses are playing so damn tight that there's just no place to go.

And while our receivers can be better, I don't think that's on them either. Charlie Weis' offense isn't a deep threat offense. You have to be able to throw downfield a few times a game and you can't miss. Our QB misses. Badly.

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:08 PM
You're assuming I don't advocate giving Cassel a blood eagle on the 50 yard line 10 minutes before the next home game.

Why wait?

Let's give Croyle a full week of work with the 1's.

BWillie
09-19-2010, 10:08 PM
Yeah, Bowe was awful his first two years with Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen delivering the ball.

Amazing the depths some of you will go to to make excuses for shitty QB play.

There's nothing wrong with our WR's.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with our QB.

Somebody's got to catch the ball. Just about any QB can be a game manager in the right system with the right talent, even Cassel as he showed in New England. But my point probably isn't relevant. If Cassel continues to suck ass then they better cut his ass at the end of the year anyway. So we'll be drafting a legit WR and a first or second round QB (hopefully)

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 10:09 PM
I honestly thought there was a chance that Croyle was going to start the second half today. Blowfish mentioned this in his thread, too.

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 10:09 PM
You could give 10 QB's in the league our WR's and there would be no marked drop-off in their teams' offensive production. I'm sure of this.

Agreed. Tom Brady made the AFC Championship with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Great QBs elevate the play of those around him.

BWillie
09-19-2010, 10:10 PM
Yeah, Bowe was awful his first two years with Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen delivering the ball.

Amazing the depths some of you will go to to make excuses for shitty QB play.

There's nothing wrong with our WR's.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with our QB.

Our wide receivers are not good. You think they are better than 50% of the league? F*ck no. Probably better than maybe 8-9 teams. I'm not talking up Cassel. He's looked like shit, but like I said it amplifies his shittyness.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 10:10 PM
Can't remember who it was that said McCluster has the potential to be a Welker-type receiver, but the problem is that you have to have threats to go deep so he can slip underneath the coverage.

I think that's 100% true. He's getting a lot of the same routes that Welker runs, but the defenses are playing so damn tight that there's just no place to go.

And while our receivers can be better, I don't think that's on them either. Charlie Weis' offense isn't a deep threat offense. You have to be able to throw downfield a few times a game and you can't miss. Our QB misses. Badly.

I in no way believe that he has the potential to be Wes Welker. That's a horrible conflation by someone who thinks that just because of the Patriot connections that every player we acquire has now filled Patriot Role ______. Granted, I wouldn't be surprised if our front office felt this way.

notorious
09-19-2010, 10:11 PM
Agreed. Tom Brady made the AFC Championship with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Great QBs elevate the play of those around him.

What do shit QB's do for those around him?



Oh Wait........



We get to see what happens every Sunday.

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:11 PM
I honestly thought there was a chance that Croyle was going to start the second half today. Blowfish mentioned this in his thread, too.

I just PM'd you my address.

Feel free to ship me whatever the fuck you're smoking.

Cassel's not coming out until he's injured.

See: Goff, Mike.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 10:13 PM
I just PM'd you my address.

Feel free to ship me whatever the **** you're smoking.

Cassel's not coming out until he's injured.

See: Goff, Mike.

I know, I know. But logic can be a delusional force sometimes. And so help me, when he took a decent hit on the sack (after 5 seconds of holding the ball), my first thought was, "Was this hit the one?". Terrible, but true.

tk13
09-19-2010, 10:14 PM
I think our WR's can obviously be better, but we could win with this group of WR's. I think we have two problems: 1) QB play and 2) I'm still not happy with our RT. It gets overshadowed because everyone talks about Cassel. We might see that here in a couple weeks. Today Cassel held onto the ball too long. In a couple weeks, he's probably not going to be able to finish his drop before Mathis is planted in his liver.

Hug it Out Dan
09-19-2010, 10:16 PM
Cassel is without question Steve Bono 2.0.

Let it be known that this post is a direct insult to Steve Bono.

Bono at least made the Pro Bowl in 1995

OnTheWarpath58
09-19-2010, 10:16 PM
I know, I know. But logic can be a delusional force sometimes. And so help me, when he took a decent hit on the sack (after 5 seconds of holding the ball), my first thought was, "Was this hit the one?". Terrible, but true.

A buddy of mine always comes to my place for the game since I have The Ticket, and hates Cassel as much as I do.

I swear to God, he said, "Please be dead."

ROFL

chiefzilla1501
09-19-2010, 10:18 PM
I in no way believe that he has the potential to be Wes Welker. That's a horrible conflation by someone who thinks that just because of the Patriot connections that every player we acquire has now filled Patriot Role ______. Granted, I wouldn't be surprised if our front office felt this way.

That's not to say he's going to be Welker. It's saying he's going to be a Welker-type receiver. Welker isn't like Desean Jackson. He's a guy who catches a ton of short underneath stuff and gets a lot of YAC. In terms of the routes and style of play, they will probably be utilized in the same way.

But it means nothing if the defense is moving everybody in. There's simply nowhere to run.

KCChiefsFan88
09-19-2010, 10:19 PM
Let it be known that this post is a direct insult to Steve Bono.

Bono at least made the Pro Bowl in 1995

Actually a better description of Cassel would be Bono's body and Grbac's brain.

Bono at least had an ounce of pocket awareness.

BWillie
09-19-2010, 10:23 PM
Matt Cassel makes me yearn for Elvis Grbac...and Damon Huard.

MikeMaslowski
09-19-2010, 10:31 PM
Let it be known that this post is a direct insult to Steve Bono.

Bono at least made the Pro Bowl in 1995

Steve? Glad to see you are posting here again!

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 10:55 PM
Sure would have been nice to have picked up Vick for nothing. LMAO

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 10:55 PM
Sure would have been nice to have picked up Vick for nothing. LMAO

REPOST!!!

BWillie
09-19-2010, 10:56 PM
Sure would have been nice to have picked up Vick for nothing. LMAO

And people scoffed at me when I said we should have Pioli be sitting out side of the prison in Leavenworth waiting for him!! lol

BossChief
09-19-2010, 11:00 PM
We could be pretty fun to watch with Thigpen IMO.

Bowe and Gonzalez were the #2 receiving tandem in 08 (#1 was Boldin/Fitz)

I know Ill get burned and lose some brownie points, but I think he could be doing pretty good by now with these weapons. I think we would have won both games in blowout fashion.

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 11:01 PM
And people scoffed at me when I said we should have Pioli be sitting out side of the prison in Leavenworth waiting for him!! lol

Well you know it's very important to not be politically incorrect. Like it's even possible to be offended by anything more than it is Cassels play for 63 BIG ONES!!! Vick for nothing please.

DaneMcCloud
09-19-2010, 11:08 PM
We could be pretty fun to watch with Thigpen IMO.

Bowe and Gonzalez were the #2 receiving tandem in 08 (#1 was Boldin/Fitz)

I know Ill get burned and lose some brownie points, but I think he could be doing pretty good by now with these weapons. I think we would have won both games in blowout fashion.

It's somewhat scary that the Chiefs traded away their best QB.

I hope that the front office listens to Charlie Weis come next April.

jAZ
09-19-2010, 11:14 PM
97.9.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-19-2010, 11:16 PM
Ryan Leaf is laughing somewhere.

He looks like Leaf too.

As I said elsewhere this week, it was "put up or shut up" time for this kid. He's had all the excuses--new team, new HC, new system, bad players, etc.,. O-line not blocking, receivers not catching, moon not in phase, his astrological sign rising in Uranus... This was the week, these games were the time, for him to either climb to the top of the mountain or fall down the fucker. And he fell right off the fucking mountain.

I really thought he'd shown something in New England. But now it's apparent that, in the situation he was put into, pretty much any QB could've done well.

In sympathy and support, enjoy my new avatar.\

ROFL I love it.

I want more out of him than that; but if he can just provide average play at the QB position we can make a run for the West.

Goddamn it Mark, is it that hard to be average??

LMAO I told you you were hired at the bonfire, so get to the practice facility tomorrow morning!



This shit is getting ridiculous. The only problem with Weis is that he's expected to design an offense with 3 specific goals.

1. Don't let Cassel kill us.
2. Score points.
3. Don't let Cassel kill us.

What the fuck is the man supposed to do? Open it up? Push the ball downfield? Yeah, LMAO, that would be pretty.

This. The main "tool"(as in, "Cassel, you are a tool")he needs to run an effective offense is a flaming bag of AIDS Abomination. How fucking creative, or hell, even "old-school" can Weis get with "Shakes the QB" at the helm?!?!?

Give Weis performers, and his offense WILL PERFORM. It's that fucking simple.



Yeah, Bowe was awful his first two years with Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen delivering the ball.

Amazing the depths some of you will go to to make excuses for shitty QB play.

There's nothing wrong with our WR's.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with our QB .

Damn straight.

People bitch about our WRs not getting seperation, but how do they get seperation if the defense is playing everything tight daring the QB to beat you deep?

A guy like that would be wasted, as the QB can't get him the fucking ball.

These. It's hard to get separation when you have to adjust your stride and timing to go fetch or run back/sideways/to the four fucking winds etc. to a poorly thrown ball.

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 11:21 PM
He looks like Leaf too.

.

If you mean he looks scared every down and is shaking like a Leaf then I agree.

BossChief
09-19-2010, 11:25 PM
It's somewhat scary that the Chiefs traded away their best QB.

I hope that the front office listens to Charlie Weis come next April.
Just think how his mobility would have opened up this offense.

Oh well.

I may be a bit unrealistic at times but I would give Miami a 4th or even a third for Thigpen right now. I know it would be admitting to mis evaluation of talent on multiple levels, but it would help this team a lot.

Id love to see Thigpen being coached by Weis with this assortment of weapons.

You lose Tony G, but you gain Chambers, Moeaki, Jones, Lilja, Weigman and DMC.

fuck

easymobee
09-19-2010, 11:28 PM
Don't get too down.

Orton was looked at like a Trent Dilfer type too and he's doing all right.

KC's own Brandon Lloyd has 170 yards in 2 weeks and he's flamed out all over the league until now.

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 11:29 PM
Evaluation of talent has been pretty damn good other than whole QB thing. From Cassel to Thigpen to Vick Pioli has just blown it. I think the problem lies in not having the ability to admit a mistake.

BossChief
09-19-2010, 11:31 PM
I wonder what week the bitch will get pulled if he keeps stinking up the joint...

BIG_DADDY
09-19-2010, 11:33 PM
I wonder what week the bitch will get pulled if he keeps stinking up the joint...

I think we have an inability to admit we made a mistake at the top so I don't see him getting pulled period unless something ridiculous happens.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-19-2010, 11:34 PM
If you mean he looks scared every down and is shaking like a Leaf then I agree.

I meant he actually resembles Leaf in physical appearance. But; your take works too!

BossChief
09-19-2010, 11:38 PM
I think we have an inability to admit we made a mistake at the top so I don't see him getting pulled period unless something ridiculous happens.

I think if we can keep games against Houston and Indy within striking distance while getting poor play from the quarterback position and end up losing...I think a move will be made.

Sucks that the only position we have that isnt benefiting from competition is the most important position in professional sports.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-19-2010, 11:43 PM
I think if we can keep games against Houston and Indy within striking distance while getting poor play from the quarterback position and end up losing...I think a move will be made.

Sucks that the only position we have that isnt benefiting from competition is the most important position in professional sports.

No shit. I wonder how that favoritism is playing with the guys who HAVE TO produce or ride the pine?

It's bullshit.

InChiefsHell
09-20-2010, 05:35 AM
I fully expect that Cassel is gone after this season. We'll sign some FA quarterback and draft a QB this year. Then it'll be newly signed FA, Brodie Croyle, and newly drafted QB on the depth chart. I just can't believe they'll keep Cassel around.