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Sully
09-19-2010, 03:45 PM
During the offseason, Dane made the comment (I'm not sure of the exact wording) that we'd be lucky to be 1-3 after the first four.
I'm here to tell you, sitting at 2-0...he was right.
Our first two wins have been born of pure luck, in many ways. San Diego was a few dropped passes from opening up on us, and today Cleveland got absolutely screwed on a few calls by the refs (non-fumble and Jones' first down).

That said, the teams that win are the ones who take advantage of those things, and so far we have taken advantage...and that's a good thing.

Here are some more of my thoughts.

Offense...

Cassel is awful. But I tire of the discussion, so I won't say more. I'm sad, because the college QB I like is playng himself out of our draft range.
As far as the "Why isn't JC getting more carries" discussion; I have stated I fully agree with him not getting more than 55-70% of the carries, and have listed my reasoning. However, he's far too much of a threat to not get him in earlier. Jones is pretty good to have, but he obviously isn't the homerun threat that JC is. However, two games:two (at least) bonehead moves by JC (this week's wasn't as bad as lasts, as he just made a dumbass cutback instead of hitting the hole). I fully see what Haley is saying when he says he's "starting to get it," because in too many instances, it still seems he doesn't.
It's nice to have a legit TE again. I don't ever want a Tony Gonzalez situation, because we became too reliant on a glorified posession guy. But it's not to have someone reliable at that position.
If O'Callaghan comes back and starts over Richardson, I have no idea what the Chiefs are seeing, because it looks like Richardson is twice the blocker. Late round picks matter.

Defense...
doing great. Smith impressed me today in the oddest of places. He played the nose on those two goalline runs by Cleveland, the second one they scored on. On both plays, he was two yards in the backfieldat the snap. Sadly, he got no support. That's a pretty good center, too.
I haven't seen this team play this much man defense since the days of Hasty and Carter. Add to that how many times they are doing so with no deep help, and it's amazing. I think Crennell may be forced into that a bit, by having to blitz to get pressure, but aside from a few mental errors leading to big plays (mainly by a rookie), it has worked out pretty well.
Flowers is, by far, the best player on the team.
DJ has arrived. I'm ready to call it. He's finally what we "thought he was," so let's crown his ass (and by crown his ass, I mean give him a contract extension).

And my favorite, Coaching...

Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments...
You cannot look at today's game and not see the value of having Crennell and Weis on our sidelines. Two games now have seen the type of football minds they have, the preparation they have put in, and most importantly, the ability to change on the fly and adjust to what they are seeing.
And for all the shit Haley has gotten, his handling of DJ alone deserves tons of kudos. How many people bitched because our best player wasn't on the field last year? The fact is, the patience he showed, and the standard he set must be looked toward in evaluating the growth of DJ as a player. I'm still not sold on Haley, but he's slowly getting some "benefit of the doubt" in the bank with me.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-19-2010, 03:48 PM
Todd Haley has definitely won me over. I really like the way he handles the team. They want to play hard for him and he gets a ton out of his guys.

Big Chief Homer
09-19-2010, 03:51 PM
Todd Haley has definitely won me over. I really like the way he handles the team. They want to play hard for him and he gets a ton out of his guys.


Nicely said:clap:

Sully
09-19-2010, 03:53 PM
Todd Haley has definitely won me over. I really like the way he handles the team. They want to play hard for him and he gets a ton out of his guys.

Definitely. The only two problems I have are some of the boneheaded calls he made last year, which should be aleviated since he has coordinators running things this year, and the fact that his "style," I believe, has a short shelf life with players. But he's still new at this, and evolving, and that may change. Just the difference in his demeanor between last season and this is evidence of that.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 03:54 PM
i've always had a soft spot for haley

and while i remain mystified by not playing Charles until we've punted several times, i feel better about our coaching staff as a whole than i have since forever

Cassel blows, but that is on Pioli

i can see haley growing into the role for several years....just find him a damn QB

FAX
09-19-2010, 04:01 PM
Yeah ... it's been kind of difficult reading about how Haley sucks ... I've believed from the get-go that he has the potential to be a very good HC in this league ... plus, he's young ... somebody who can stay with the team awhile. Historically, consistency in the HC position is one of the keys to building a competitive franchise over the long haul. After uncle Dick and Hermoine, he's a breath of fresh air and came to the organization with the kind of attitude we needed.

Weis and Crennel don't hurt, either. Haley and Pioli should get some props for bringing those guys on board.

FAX

The Bad Guy
09-19-2010, 04:06 PM
I really don't think we are out of the running for a stud college QB.

A lot of bad teams in this league have a long term QB. Campbell is going to get a chance in Oakland, Bradford in STL, Arizona thinks Max Hall is their QBOTF, Panthers have Claussen, Broncos have Tebow.

The only teams I can realistically see getting a QB early is the Bills, Browns, and possibly the Jaguars.

If we are too high, trade up.

It's never a bad thing to trade up for a QB.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 04:09 PM
If we are too high, trade up.

It's never a bad thing to trade up for a QB.

I would faint on draft day if the Chiefs were to do this.

Sully
09-19-2010, 04:10 PM
I really don't think we are out of the running for a stud college QB.

A lot of bad teams in this league have a long term QB. Campbell is going to get a chance in Oakland, Bradford in STL, Arizona thinks Max Hall is their QBOTF, Panthers have Claussen, Broncos have Tebow.

The only teams I can realistically see getting a QB early is the Bills, Browns, and possibly the Jaguars.

If we are too high, trade up.

It's never a bad thing to trade up for a QB.
A QB, ANY QB, would be good. But I'm only sold on one, so far. And I mean HoF sold on him. I mean Payton Manning sold on him. So obviously I think he'll go number one.

Sully
09-19-2010, 04:12 PM
Actually, I am in love with two college QBs, but Crist isn't gonna be available.

TrickyNicky
09-19-2010, 04:14 PM
How did you guys feel about basically giving them the 30 yd line on kickoffs? In the end, Cribbs only burnt us once and it wasn't on Special Teams.

The Bad Guy
09-19-2010, 04:16 PM
Actually, I am in love with two college QBs, but Crist isn't gonna be available.

Crist?

Really?

The Bad Guy
09-19-2010, 04:17 PM
A QB, ANY QB, would be good. But I'm only sold on one, so far. And I mean HoF sold on him. I mean Payton Manning sold on him. So obviously I think he'll go number one.

Andrew Luck?

Fritz88
09-19-2010, 04:17 PM
I would faint on draft day if the Chiefs were to do this.

I will have goosebumps.

Dicky McElephant
09-19-2010, 04:18 PM
Actually, I am in love with two college QBs, but Crist isn't gonna be available.

Why are you in love with Crist? I'm a ND fan and I don't want him on this team.

Sully
09-19-2010, 04:19 PM
Crist?

Really?

Yeah.
Taking into account this is his first year starting, I've really been impressed.

Sully
09-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Andrew Luck?

Yeah.
Physically and mentally, I think he's the next Manning.

That said, QB and Safety are my two weakest positions at judging talent, so no AIDS tree if you disagree.

grandllama
09-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Yeah ... it's been kind of difficult reading about how Haley sucks ... I've believed from the get-go that he has the potential to be a very good HC in this league ... plus, he's young ... somebody who can stay with the team awhile. Historically, consistency in the HC position is one of the keys to building a competitive franchise over the long haul. After uncle Dick and Hermoine, he's a breath of fresh air and came to the organization with the kind of attitude we needed.

Weis and Crennel don't hurt, either. Haley and Pioli should get some props for bringing those guys on board.

FAX

I think everybody forgets that he is learning how to be a head coach too.

I absolutely despised the guy last year... until about the time he flipped off GBlowfish... And that statement has nothing to do with Blowfish... it has to do with the surrounding controversy (that was appropriately, even according to Blowfish, buried) seemingly lighting a bulb in Haley's head...

Now that the face of the organization doesn't come across as a pretentious douchebag, I've been able to see his strengths and the fact that he himself is working hard on his weaknesses. And the players seem to buy in as well.

Now, just explain the entire Charles situation (and hopefully it plays out like benching DJ did last year) and I'll buy into his methods 100%

cdcox
09-19-2010, 04:22 PM
How did you guys feel about basically giving them the 30 yd line on kickoffs? In the end, Cribbs only burnt us once and it wasn't on Special Teams.

I was fine with it. Obviously on defense and special teams, we are not going to let their best players beat us. Today we focused on shutting down Cribbs which meant giving the 30. And we focused on shutting down the run, which allowed Senneca Wallace to look good on a few drives. But as long as we don't get killed consistently by their scrubs, this strategy is worth the risk.

Sully
09-19-2010, 04:23 PM
Why are you in love with Crist? I'm a ND fan and I don't want him on this team.

What I've seen of him is that he's made some rookie mistakes, but also made some throws 95% of QBs can't.
I've only watched one full game, though.

What are his blemishes?

cdcox
09-19-2010, 04:27 PM
On the defensive side of the ball, I definitely saw some tired legs from the short week. The defense played well, but there was less explosion. Going on the road after a Monday night game is always a recipe for a let down. Getting a W under those circumstances is never a gimme.

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 04:35 PM
Yeah.
Physically and mentally, I think he's the next Manning.

That said, QB and Safety are my two weakest positions at judging talent, so no AIDS tree if you disagree.

I haven't reached a conclusion on Luck, yet, but I've seen enough to know that you're significantly overrating his skill set.

And this doesn't mean he might not be a very good QB at the next level.

The Bad Guy
09-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Luck in no way is like Peyton.

However, he'll be a great player on this level.

cdcox
09-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Andrew Luck?

Good name for a QB.

ChiefsCountry
09-19-2010, 04:41 PM
Yeah.
Physically and mentally, I think he's the next Manning.

That said, QB and Safety are my two weakest positions at judging talent, so no AIDS tree if you disagree.

Luck is no Manning, he is more Brady. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

Marcellus
09-19-2010, 04:43 PM
We haven't been lucky we have made more plays than the other team.

We were behind in both games and came back and made plays and won. Ugly at times on offense, ugly at times on defense.

Made plays when needed. 3rd and long this week, ST last week. Defense both weeks.

keg in kc
09-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Neither game was a dominating performance, but neither was lucky, either. They made fewer mistakes than the team on the other side of the ball and did enough to walk away with a win. San Diego didn't. Cleveland didn't.

Take today's game. The Chiefs didn't penalize themselves out of short field goal range and then miss the kick. Cleveland did. Mistake. And the difference in the game. For teams like Cleveland and Kansas City, that razor-thin line is the difference between winning and losing. And in the end, we did a better job than they did. Was it pretty? No. The offense is awful. The quarterback play is awful. They have a lot of work to do. But don't cheapen it. They won that game. No helmet toss or Tait run. Not luck.

Rain Man
09-19-2010, 04:44 PM
A few of my comments from the 50-yard line in Cleveland.

1. The crowd in Cleveland surprised me. When their defense was on the field, they wouldn't make noise unless it was third down. On 1st and 2nd down they just sat around and talked about Cleveland stuff or something. Even on third down it wasn't very loud, but that's probably because the stadium wasn't full.

2. Cassel looked horrible early on, but improved over the course of the game to almost adequate. On some of the earlier plays where he held the ball forever, there truly was nobody even remotely open, so he didn't have a choice. Right before that tipped interception, though, I realized that I get scared every time I see him drop back. Not even neutral. Scared.

3. The more I see Jones, the more I like him. I knew he was a good back, but he's really productive and reliable. I still wonder why Charles isn't on the field more, but it's not like Jones is a slug. But why did have Castille carrying the ball on that one key third down play in the second (?) quarter when we have Charles and Jones?

4. Our receivers were not open at all today. Not at all. Moeaki was always wide open, though. I think it was their scheme, because he generally ran free and didn't seem to have man coverage very much. Kudoes to Cassel or Weis or someone for recognizing it.

5. I was generally impressed with our pass blocking today, particularly the blitz pickups. Cassel's early problems were usually either him or (more likely) the receivers not being open at all.

6. Colquitt had an off day on distance, though his placement was fantastic. I never got to see a replay of the punt where they said our coverage guy stepped into the end zone, but it looked like a great one-yard downing live. Colquitt and Succop were both out on the field practicing at halftime while the Browns were opening their Ring of Fame and honoring their hall of famers. Honestly, I thought it was a little disrespectful.

7. It seemed like DJ made all of our tackles during a big stretch of the second half.

8. There was one incompletion to Bowe that I thought was funny. It was in the second half and he had good position on a relatively deep in pattern, but Cassel threw it behind him and over his head. The thing that I thought was funny was that Chambers was out on the field talking and explaining stuff to him away from the huddle before running back to the sideline, and it went on long enough that I thought, "Geez, they're obviously throwing it to Bowe". Guess the Browns didn't notice it.

9. Was the roughing the passer penalty in the fourth on that second guy that fell on Cassel? That sure as heck didn't seem like a roughing penalty. I'll take it, but that seemed like a really bad call. Of course, we had the bad call on (Lewis?) where they called an unprotected hit even though it was just good defense.

10. I noticed Studebaker playing in Vrabel's place in part of the second half. Was there an explanation for that?

11. What happened to our return game today? Is Cleveland's coverage that good or is San Diego's that bad? We were getting drilled constantly.

12. In passing situations, it was interesting that we usually had either Magee and Gilberry as our only two linemen or sometimes only Gilberry. So we had several plays where we had nobody on the field who weighed more than 270. I was a little worried in Cleveland's second-to-last drive that they'd just run the ball, but they didn't and we stopped them fast.

13. I'm liking this defense. They had a lot of pressure on them due to our lack of offense, and they not only played well, but put points on the board themselves. (Man, that was a great play by Flowers.)

14. We kept kicking off high and short, and on the last kickoff they lined Cribbs up in the second tier and only had ten men on the field until the last second, and then they ran Haden out there deep. I was a little worried, but figured for sure that the Chiefs saw it, but they didn't and kicked it right to Cribbs. Glad it didn't burn us.

RedThat
09-19-2010, 04:46 PM
On the defensive side of the ball, I definitely saw some tired legs from the short week. The defense played well, but there was less explosion. Going on the road after a Monday night game is always a recipe for a let down. Getting a W under those circumstances is never a gimme.

Could just be a mental thingy.

Playing at home and having the crowd behind you creates more of that adrenaline rush. Players tend to respond to that. Being pumped up at home, being in the spotlight on a Monday Night. yeah, I would say that could be an influential factor in having the defensive players playing harder and faster. Which one could say, translates into explosion.

Not so much the case on the road.

Reerun_KC
09-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Good takes Rain man....

DaneMcCloud
09-19-2010, 04:48 PM
9. The defender lead with his head, so the penalty was called.

keg in kc
09-19-2010, 04:50 PM
5. I was generally impressed with our pass blocking today, particularly the blitz pickups. Cassel's early problems were usually either him or (more likely) the receivers not being open at all.That's something that concerned me watching here at the office, but it's hard to tell based on the TV coverage on a 13-inch screen. But both this week and last week, it seemed to me that there's extra pressure on Cassel in that he's having to try for throw into tight windows (obviously an issue for a guy who isn't particularly accurate or at all strong-armed...). It makes me wonder even more when I'm watching guys in the other jerseys catching passes with no defender even on the screen (as good as the defense has been, guys get WIDE open on us...). I start to wonder "why aren't our guys ever that open?"

Rain Man
09-19-2010, 04:52 PM
9. The defender lead with his head, so the penalty was called.

Our defender, or their defender? Which play are you talking about?

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 04:53 PM
That's something that concerned me watching here at the office, but it's hard to tell based on the TV coverage on a 13-inch screen. But both this week and last week, it seemed to me that there's extra pressure on Cassel in that he's having to try for throw into tight windows (obviously an issue for a guy who isn't particularly accurate or at all strong-armed...). It makes me wonder even more when I'm watching guys in the other jerseys catching passes with no defender even on the screen (as good as the defense has been, guys get WIDE open on us...). I start to wonder "why aren't our guys ever that open?"

Pretty easy. QB pressure. We don't get any on the opposing team, making it almost impossible to cover.

The inverse, of course, is true for our opposition.

Bane
09-19-2010, 04:57 PM
9. The defender lead with his head, so the penalty was called.

Off topic,but was this one of those winning in spite of Cassel games?

DeezNutz
09-19-2010, 05:00 PM
Off topic,but was this one of those winning in spite of Cassel games?

Nope. Dude came up huge with a 46.1 QB rating. Clutch.

RedThat
09-19-2010, 05:00 PM
A few of my comments from the 50-yard line in Cleveland.

1. The crowd in Cleveland surprised me. When their defense was on the field, they wouldn't make noise unless it was third down. On 1st and 2nd down they just sat around and talked about Cleveland stuff or something. Even on third down it wasn't very loud, but that's probably because the stadium wasn't full.

2. Cassel looked horrible early on, but improved over the course of the game to almost adequate. On some of the earlier plays where he held the ball forever, there truly was nobody even remotely open, so he didn't have a choice. Right before that tipped interception, though, I realized that I get scared every time I see him drop back. Not even neutral. Scared.

3. The more I see Jones, the more I like him. I knew he was a good back, but he's really productive and reliable. I still wonder why Charles isn't on the field more, but it's not like Jones is a slug. But why did have Castille carrying the ball on that one key third down play in the second (?) quarter when we have Charles and Jones?

4. Our receivers were not open at all today. Not at all. Moeaki was always wide open, though. I think it was their scheme, because he generally ran free and didn't seem to have man coverage very much. Kudoes to Cassel or Weis or someone for recognizing it.

5. I was generally impressed with our pass blocking today, particularly the blitz pickups. Cassel's early problems were usually either him or (more likely) the receivers not being open at all.

6. Colquitt had an off day on distance, though his placement was fantastic. I never got to see a replay of the punt where they said our coverage guy stepped into the end zone, but it looked like a great one-yard downing live. Colquitt and Succop were both out on the field practicing at halftime while the Browns were opening their Ring of Fame and honoring their hall of famers. Honestly, I thought it was a little disrespectful.

7. It seemed like DJ made all of our tackles during a big stretch of the second half.

8. There was one incompletion to Bowe that I thought was funny. It was in the second half and he had good position on a relatively deep in pattern, but Cassel threw it behind him and over his head. The thing that I thought was funny was that Chambers was out on the field talking and explaining stuff to him away from the huddle before running back to the sideline, and it went on long enough that I thought, "Geez, they're obviously throwing it to Bowe". Guess the Browns didn't notice it.

9. Was the roughing the passer penalty in the fourth on that second guy that fell on Cassel? That sure as heck didn't seem like a roughing penalty. I'll take it, but that seemed like a really bad call. Of course, we had the bad call on (Lewis?) where they called an unprotected hit even though it was just good defense.

10. I noticed Studebaker playing in Vrabel's place in part of the second half. Was there an explanation for that?

11. What happened to our return game today? Is Cleveland's coverage that good or is San Diego's that bad? We were getting drilled constantly.

12. In passing situations, it was interesting that we usually had either Magee and Gilberry as our only two linemen or sometimes only Gilberry. So we had several plays where we had nobody on the field who weighed more than 270. I was a little worried in Cleveland's second-to-last drive that they'd just run the ball, but they didn't and we stopped them fast.

13. I'm liking this defense. They had a lot of pressure on them due to our lack of offense, and they not only played well, but put points on the board themselves. (Man, that was a great play by Flowers.)

14. We kept kicking off high and short, and on the last kickoff they lined Cribbs up in the second tier and only had ten men on the field until the last second, and then they ran Haden out there deep. I was a little worried, but figured for sure that the Chiefs saw it, but they didn't and kicked it right to Cribbs. Glad it didn't burn us.

Few things I want to comment on in your post,

the Lewis hit was great defense. This league needs to change and get rid of these stupid b.s. rules. The game is looking more and more soft as the years go by. I thought football was supposed to be violent, gruelling, and nasty game. Those are a few characteristics that describe the character of the game, but slowly we are starting to see those characteristics of the game die before our very own eyes.

I thought the Browns did a great job shutting down our return game today. Arenas needs to be smarter. I know he is an excellent returner and wants to take it to the house every time he touches the ball, however, a few times today, he had guys in his face and didn't call for the fair catch. That is DANGEROUS. Just call for the fair catch. Save yourself the energy, don't get too excited. Be patient, and smart. And don't risk things for yourself or the team. He could of got hurt out there or possibly turn the ball over. But thankfully that didn't happen. He's a rookie though, and will make those type of mistakes. I forgive him.

the Talking Can
09-19-2010, 05:01 PM
Off topic,but was this one of those winning in spite of Cassel games?

nah, his 2ints and 0 tds were crucial to victory

keg in kc
09-19-2010, 05:01 PM
This was a weird sort of winning despite and because of. His 3rd down completions in the 2nd half made a big difference. But if he completes shit before halftime, maybe they have a lead.

Bane
09-19-2010, 05:01 PM
Nope. Dude came up huge with a 46.1 QB rating. Clutch.

Just trying to keep count as we go ya know.ROFL

By my count that's 2 wins in spite of Cassel so far.

ZootedGranny
09-19-2010, 05:02 PM
3. The more I see Jones, the more I like him. I knew he was a good back, but he's really productive and reliable. I still wonder why Charles isn't on the field more, but it's not like Jones is a slug. But why did have Castille carrying the ball on that one key third down play in the second (?) quarter when we have Charles and Jones?

My question is why have Castille at all? For every one play he makes to move the chains, he makes five or six more that result in minimal or zero gains.

Rain Man
09-19-2010, 05:02 PM
Pretty easy. QB pressure. We don't get any on the opposing team, making it almost impossible to cover.

The inverse, of course, is true for our opposition.


I gotta say, Hali is getting no pressure at all. That's worrisome. He drew a couple of holding calls, but I don't think he would've reached the QB even if he hadn't been held. One thing I've noticed is that he does the same move on every play, which is an outside speed rush. If he would add a spin move or even an inside bull rush, he'd be a lot more effective. As it is, the o-lineman just races him to the corner and then pushes him on.

KC Tattoo
09-19-2010, 05:04 PM
Gilberry played good. Not sure if we missed T Jackson or not with him playing?

Bane
09-19-2010, 05:06 PM
Gilberry played good. Not sure if we missed T Jackson or not with him playing?

Who? Seriously he was looking good till he got hurt last week.....Wait that sounds lie Brodie.:cuss:

Rain Man
09-19-2010, 05:07 PM
My question is why have Castille at all? For every one play he makes to move the chains, he makes five or six more that result in minimal or zero gains.

I've got nothing against him and kind of like him in his fullback role. He's not a bruiser, but he can catch out in the flat. He's more of a Kimble Anders type than a Tony Richardson or Lorenzo Neal. But geez, when you've got Castille and Thomas Jones back there on third and short, it's okay to be predictable until the other team proves they can stop Jones.

I noticed as well that they often bring Charles in on third down even if it's third and short, which I found kind of odd. Charles got stuffed on one third down play. Again, I want to see way more of Charles, but it seemed like they had a third-down package and not a third-and-short package. Whatever. We won, so they're geniuses.

keg in kc
09-19-2010, 05:07 PM
I gotta say, Hali is getting no pressure at all. That's worrisome. He drew a couple of holding calls, but I don't think he would've reached the QB even if he hadn't been held. One thing I've noticed is that he does the same move on every play, which is an outside speed rush. If he would add a spin move or even an inside bull rush, he'd be a lot more effective. As it is, the o-lineman just races him to the corner and then pushes him on.He's lulling them. He's going to pull a spin move out in week 17 of 2013 that will shock the league.

DaneMcCloud
09-19-2010, 05:12 PM
Off topic,but was this one of those winning in spite of Cassel games?

Nope. Dude came up huge with a 46.1 QB rating. Clutch.

LMAO

KCrockaholic
09-19-2010, 05:13 PM
If we draft Mallett or Luck I will be ecstatic. Cassel is not the answer.

SDChiefs
09-19-2010, 05:31 PM
Just trying to keep count as we go ya know.ROFL

By my count that's 2 wins in spite of Cassel so far.

What? Those 78 yards passing last week were essential for the victory. Cassel has already won 6 more games than Croyle so he needs to keep starting. We need to give Cassel at least 100 games under his belt and HOF talent surrounding him before we can actually start to judge his ability.

Bane
09-19-2010, 06:03 PM
What? Those 78 yards passing last week were essential for the victory. Cassel has already won 6 more games than Croyle so he needs to keep starting. We need to give Cassel at least 100 games under his belt and HOF talent surrounding him before we can actually start to judge his ability.

ROFL

EyePod
09-19-2010, 06:09 PM
Now, just explain the entire Charles situation (and hopefully it plays out like benching DJ did last year) and I'll buy into his methods 100%

I've seen someone talking about how we're trying to save JC for a year where we're going to be competitive. I understand that if we lose the 1st 2 games, but now that we've won both (that still sounds weird), CMON MAN! USE JC!

KC Jones
09-19-2010, 06:13 PM
I've seen someone talking about how we're trying to save JC for a year where we're going to be competitive. I understand that if we lose the 1st 2 games, but now that we've won both (that still sounds weird), CMON MAN! USE JC!

I don't buy that at all. Coaches are all about winning as many as they can now.

I suspect the coaches are thinking JC sometimes makes bad decisions, sometimes coughs up the ball, and has trouble squeezing out the tough 3-4 yards up the middle.

Micjones
09-19-2010, 06:15 PM
I've always liked Haley. I think the guy has the opportunity to become a good football coach in this league.

Watch the replay of McCluster's return for a TD in Week 1.
Seeing him shoulder bump Donald Washington and meet McCluster running back to the sideline was just another indication. He knows how to handle these players. He's still learning. And with veteran coaches behind him coordinating...he's in a great spot to become a winning HC.

EyePod
09-19-2010, 06:37 PM
I gotta say, Hali is getting no pressure at all. That's worrisome. He drew a couple of holding calls, but I don't think he would've reached the QB even if he hadn't been held. One thing I've noticed is that he does the same move on every play, which is an outside speed rush. If he would add a spin move or even an inside bull rush, he'd be a lot more effective. As it is, the o-lineman just races him to the corner and then pushes him on.

I saw him pressuring the QB non stop. Is his job to produce sacks or to provide pressure. I don't call the defensive plays so I'm not sure.

bsp4444
09-19-2010, 07:56 PM
Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?

MadMax
09-19-2010, 08:03 PM
I've always liked Haley. I think the guy has the opportunity to become a good football coach in this league.

Watch the replay of McCluster's return for a TD in Week 1.
Seeing him shoulder bump Donald Washington and meet McCluster running back to the sideline was just another indication. He knows how to handle these players. He's still learning. And with veteran coaches behind him coordinating...he's in a great spot to become a winning HC.




Sorry, but that sounds more like a cheerleader to me. Not that I'm anti-Hali or anything. Actually, no I fuckin hate Hali, pioli and Cassel so there.

MadMax
09-19-2010, 08:04 PM
Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?




Who dat?

Sully
09-19-2010, 08:47 PM
Don't we have Jackie Battle for some of those short yardage plays?

Wouldn't been nice to have him available on Jones' fourth down leap.

milkman
09-19-2010, 08:58 PM
Pretty easy. QB pressure. We don't get any on the opposing team, making it almost impossible to cover.

The inverse, of course, is true for our opposition.

That's not true.

Time and time, and time again I counted 5+seconds in the pocket for Cassel today.

It was absolutely ridiculous how much time he had and still look like absolute crap in the first half.

kcmaxwell
09-19-2010, 09:00 PM
took the fam to the ren fest today... how did berry look?

Reaper16
09-19-2010, 09:01 PM
took the fam to the ren fest today... how did berry look?
Was responsible for another TD on a big screwup. Looked OK in run support.

Pitt Gorilla
09-19-2010, 09:07 PM
A couple of things:

1. Our WRs need upgraded.

2. Outside of a few, QBs around the league kind of stink. Getting better at that position isn't just a case of identifying a need. NFL defenses are playing well.

suds79
09-19-2010, 09:11 PM
took the fam to the ren fest today... how did berry look?

I gave Berry a pass for game one with having to check Gates. That's a pretty tall order.

But today I was slightly disappointed. I mean he's still a rookie but he got caught watching the RB on PA on that deep bomb to Cribs. Cribs got the inside and Wallace threw it away from Carr towards the middle of the field. There was no help.

I like Berry's aggressiveness but I'm ready to see him make a big play in pass D.

Saul Good
09-19-2010, 09:18 PM
Was responsible for another TD on a big screwup. Looked OK in run support.

I'd say he was better than okay in run support. He and DJ led the team in tackles IIRC. Also, he very nearly had his first INT.

DaneMcCloud
09-19-2010, 09:27 PM
I gave Berry a pass for game one with having to check Gates. That's a pretty tall order.

But today I was slightly disappointed. I mean he's still a rookie but he got caught watching the RB on PA on that deep bomb to Cribs. Cribs got the inside and Wallace threw it away from Carr towards the middle of the field. There was no help.

I like Berry's aggressiveness but I'm ready to see him make a big play in pass D.

He'll get better each and every week. He's learning how to read opposing offenses and regardless of his talent level, it's going to take time for him recognize what's happening on every play.

I think we'll see a different player by game 12.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2010, 07:12 AM
I gave Berry a pass for game one with having to check Gates. That's a pretty tall order.

But today I was slightly disappointed. I mean he's still a rookie but he got caught watching the RB on PA on that deep bomb to Cribs. Cribs got the inside and Wallace threw it away from Carr towards the middle of the field. There was no help.

I like Berry's aggressiveness but I'm ready to see him make a big play in pass D.

Growing pains. He's a great instinctive player, and could get away with that in college. He'll learn from his mistakes and improve. You can see flashes and just have to live with the mistakes for now.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2010, 07:13 AM
That's not true.

Time and time, and time again I counted 5+seconds in the pocket for Cassel today.

It was absolutely ridiculous how much time he had and still look like absolute crap in the first half.

Yep. The OL provided stellar pass protection yesterday.

Short Leash Hootie
09-20-2010, 08:33 AM
Rain Man right on!

Kendrick Lewis penalty was bullshit...just like the Vrabel illegal contact...and just like the roughing the passer that went the Chiefs way....