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-King-
09-21-2010, 12:32 PM
I've been thinking about it. If we're going to stick with Cassel, why not just open up the playbook for him? This offense we're running now is not getting shit done and its limiting our pass because everybody is jam packed within 10 yards.

I say open the playbook. If Cassel fucks up, then let him fuck up. We don't have any better alternative. Keeping the playbook closed is not going to help anyone in any way. Atleast with it open, there's a little glimmer of hope that Cassel can make a play.

Discus.

Bane
09-21-2010, 12:44 PM
Hell open it up,he can't play much worse.

milkman
09-21-2010, 12:46 PM
That's what Ive been saying.

Everyone is bitching and moaning that our receivers get no separtion, but how the hell does anyone expect them to get any separtion when everything is packed within 10-15 yards of the LOS?

If Cassel can begin to simply hit some passes even 20 yards downfield, it would open some things up underneath, which would make McCluster the weapon people have envisioned.

bevischief
09-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Why the hell not...

Mr. Laz
09-21-2010, 12:50 PM
while i realize what the real impetus behind this thread is ... you think if the playbook is opened up that Cassel will explode in a extraordinary fashion and force the Chiefs to move on.

Not a bad idea, i guess.

Cassel does seem to perform better in the hurry-up offense so i think the chiefs should start the game in a hurry-up and hopefully get Cassel in a rhythm.

Tribal Warfare
09-21-2010, 12:54 PM
It doesn't matter Cassel isn't a competent starting QB, he'll fuck it up in some way.

-King-
09-21-2010, 12:58 PM
It doesn't matter Cassel isn't a competent starting QB, he'll fuck it up in some way.

That's the whole point. I'd rather have him fuck up with an open playbook than one where WR are all packed in by the LOS. I believe that would benefit cassel also. If Wrs are packed in, there's no space for YAC which is what Cassel needs from his WRs.
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keg in kc
09-21-2010, 12:58 PM
I'm still not sure the playbook being closed is more situational than Cassel. They had a two score lead in the rain against San Diego and then played the Browns. I don't imagine they'll try to play like that against Indy or Houston. Although who knows.

Old Dog
09-21-2010, 01:01 PM
He won't be able to color it as well if it's closed, but I don't imagine he could stay in the lines very well anyway.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-21-2010, 01:04 PM
At some point this year, we're going to have to open it up and see what Matt can do.

milkman
09-21-2010, 01:05 PM
At some point this year, we're going to have to open it up and see what Matt can do.

I think it has to be this week against the 9ers.

Fish
09-21-2010, 01:08 PM
What good would it do to "open the playbook" as you say, when the QB can't complete the passes you're opening up? Don't you think that if we could pass it 30-40 yards with any consistency at all, that they would be doing it?

What would be the point of forcing long passes when the odds of Cassel getting it within 5 yards are slim to none? That's an easy way to ensure a quick 3 and out without running any time off the clock. Then the D has to go back out, causing them to be dog tired by the 4th quarter and putting even more pressure on the offense.

Everybody is so desperate to find a solution that people are now partially blaming Weis, saying he's holding us back. But Weis is only custom tailoring the offense around what he knows the QB is capable of. Believe it or not, offensive coordinators like to score points. Lots of them. They don't play ultra conservative just for the fun of it. Weis is calling the plays he knows we have a good chance of executing. He's not going to start asking Cassel to chuck bombs with the mindset of "If Cassel fucks up, then let him fuck up." Not never, not nohow. That doesn't play to Cassel's strengths, and he knows that better than you or I.

Despite the offensive production, I think Weis is doing a decent job getting the most out of what he has to work with. The offensive mistakes for the most part haven't been because of poor offensive game planning or outright stupid playcalling or clock management. They've mostly been mistakes in execution, like an INT from a tipped ball, or Cassel simply missing the target. There's certainly things we'd all like to see change. But asking Cassel to do way more than he's capable of would be a mistake. And I say that while hating him more than Hitler/Mussolini/Pol Pot/Stalin/and Ivan IV combined.

FAX
09-21-2010, 01:09 PM
Cassel The Terrible.

I like it.

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
09-21-2010, 01:13 PM
But Weis is only custom tailoring the offense around what he knows the QB is capable of.

Exactly, and anyone paying attention this offseason expected this.

-King-
09-21-2010, 01:16 PM
Fish Cassel sucks, but he doesn't suck this bad. All these WRs at the line of scrimmage aren't doing him any favors. I'd rather all the WRs be split up where they can get YAC.
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milkman
09-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Exactly, and anyone paying attention this offseason expected this.

I don't think anyone believes otherwise.

However, even if you know that the chances of getting anything in the passing game beyond 15 yards is virtually non-existent, you still have to throw a couple plays out there and take your chances to at least get defenses thinkng about it.

There is absolutely no way we can have any success if defenses play everything tight.

OnTheWarpath58
09-21-2010, 01:20 PM
I don't think anyone believes otherwise.

However, even if you know that the chances of getting anything in the passing game beyond 15 yards is virtually non-existent, you still have to throw a couple plays out there and take your chances to at least get defenses thinkng about it.

There is absolutely no way we can have any success if defenses play everything tight.

I agree, and have said as much this entire offseason.

If you recall, I had people arguing with me that we'd have no issues with teams wanting to stack the LOS.

Coogs
09-21-2010, 01:20 PM
Personally, I thought they did open it up in the first half against the Browns. And it kind of had me wishing we would have riegned Cassel in a little bit.

ChiefsandO'sfan
09-21-2010, 01:21 PM
getnickwright The #Chiefs are bordering on losing Jamaal Charles... which could lose them the lockerroom... I have the story... I'll explain at 2 sharp

OnTheWarpath58
09-21-2010, 01:22 PM
getnickwright The #Chiefs are bordering on losing Jamaal Charles... which could lose them the lockerroom... I have the story... I'll explain at 2 sharp

Oh, fuck.

I hope this is a fucking joke.

FAX
09-21-2010, 01:23 PM
That's what Ive been saying.

Everyone is bitching and moaning that our receivers get no separtion, but how the hell does anyone expect them to get any separtion when everything is packed within 10-15 yards of the LOS?

If Cassel can begin to simply hit some passes even 20 yards downfield, it would open some things up underneath, which would make McCluster the weapon people have envisioned.

I don't have the luxury of seeing the games on a real television ... and I've inquired about this before ...

There seems to be a lot of concern over the "receivers" getting separation ... my concern has been that the enemy is crowding the LOS and our "receivers" are running routes in that 7 to 9 yard range ... you know, to provide dink targets and dunk targets and stuff ...

If this is true, it's on Weis ... we need to stretch the field ... the dinky dunky offense will move the chains, but not unless we threaten the defense with something in the 20 to 30 yard range ... even if Mark Castle can't hit the receiver, you have to get somebody deeper in order to pull the safeties and (hopefully) a backer or two out of the box.

So yeah ... open it up. You have to, really.

FAX

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-21-2010, 01:26 PM
Cassel is incompetent; stick with success and blind luck.

Fish
09-21-2010, 01:28 PM
Fish Cassel sucks, but he doesn't suck this bad. All these WRs at the line of scrimmage aren't doing him any favors. I'd rather all the WRs be split up where they can get YAC.
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I would like nothing more than to stretch the field and air it out. But at the same time, I understand exactly why Weis is calling the way he is. They're focused on mistake free football. And so far it's rewarded them with 2 wins. And it's not like they haven't called plays with guys downfield 30-40 yards. They have. Cassel even had several 7step drops last game, and the line managed to hold and give him plenty of time. And the result.... he dumped it off short anyway and never really looked at the guys downfield, despite having additional time in the pocket if he would have waited.