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Steron
09-22-2010, 10:57 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=182945

At his Tuesday press conference, Eagles coach Andy Reid refused to rule out a Kevin Kolb trade prior to the October NFL trade deadline.
Reid reemphasized that Kolb has "a bright future," but the Eagles are perhaps the most aggressive team in the league, having become even more so since GM Howie Roseman took over this offseason. We have to believe they'll listen to any trade proposals. The Browns were reported to have strong interest in Kolb during draft weekend, and there is plenty of quarterback uncertainty throughout the league. The Eagles will definitely get offers. Sep. 22 - 12:47 pm et


This has to be a load of BS, no? I can't imagine them trading him in favor of Vick. If it's true and he can be had on the cheap, bring him in. Why not?

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 10:58 AM
He'd be a better fit for our offense than Cassel is.

Sully
09-22-2010, 10:58 AM
He might be "on the block. But it certainly won't be "on the cheap."

Detoxing
09-22-2010, 10:58 AM
Please please please please.

Detoxing
09-22-2010, 10:59 AM
He might be "on the block. But it certainly won't be "on the cheap."

2nd rounder probably.

Im sure they dont want to pay 12 mill to clip board holder....but we would.

Pants
09-22-2010, 10:59 AM
Fuck that. We need to draft one and let Charlie develop him.

King_Chief_Fan
09-22-2010, 11:00 AM
Chiefs will not bring in a QB......period

Sully
09-22-2010, 11:00 AM
2nd rounder probably.

Im sure they dont want to pay 12 mill to clip board holder....but we would.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it's that low.

Detoxing
09-22-2010, 11:01 AM
I could be wrong, but I doubt it's that low.

No way in haiti they ask for a 1st.

Steron
09-22-2010, 11:02 AM
No way in haiti they ask for a 1st.

I'd have to agree. IIRC they picked him in the 2nd.

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:03 AM
Not interested at all.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 11:03 AM
He'd be a better fit for our offense than Cassel is.

Who WOULDN'T be?

Sure-Oz
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
No way he gets traded to us

Hug it Out Dan
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
I'd give a first for him.

Kolb is better than anyone coming out next year IMO.

Kolb would make the Chiefs a playoff team next season.

Deberg_1990
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
I could be wrong, but I doubt it's that low.

What was Matt Schaub traded for? Its essentially the same situation. Schuab was full of "potential" when traded, and had only played a handful of games.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
Fuck that. We need to draft one and let Charlie develop him.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
Who WOULDN'T be?

Ummm......

Uhhhh......


Daunte Culpepper?

Short Leash Hootie
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
I wouldn't give SHIT for Kolb...

Holy mother of god I doubt he's even better than Brodie...

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
What was Matt Schaub traded for? Its essentially the same situation. Schuab was full of "potential" when traded, and had only played a handful of games.

Two R2 picks.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:05 AM
What was Matt Schaub traded for? Its essentially the same situation. Schuab was full of "potential" when traded, and had only played a handful of games.

2 second round picks.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 11:05 AM
Ummm......

Uhhhh......


Daunte Culpepper?

LMAO

Is he still in the league?

I was fully expecting a JaMarcus reference.

Close enough.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:06 AM
LMAO

Is he still in the league?

I was fully expecting a JaMarcus reference.

Close enough.

http://www.ufl-football.com/sacramento-mountain-lions/player-roster/culpepper-daunte

:thumb:

Coogs
09-22-2010, 11:08 AM
I wouldn't give SHIT for Kolb...

Holy mother of god I doubt he's even better than Brodie...

In Kolb's defense, he did have a career type of day last season against somebody. Oh wait... nevermind.

bevischief
09-22-2010, 11:08 AM
Why not.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:09 AM
In all honesty.....I can see the Bills or Vikings making a play for him.

Dartgod
09-22-2010, 11:12 AM
Trade J. Charles straight up for him.

Red Brooklyn
09-22-2010, 11:15 AM
In all honesty.....I can see the Bills or Vikings making a play for him.

Or Browns.

lcarus
09-22-2010, 11:16 AM
I wouldn't give SHIT for Kolb...

Holy mother of god I doubt he's even better than Brodie...

I think that's a pretty bold assessment based on what he did this season so far. Last season he looked really good so who knows. I'd take him over Cassel at this point.

Tuckdaddy
09-22-2010, 11:16 AM
I wish we could get him. I honestly think he can play but u need a firery general at that position these days. We need a QB that demands respect from his team players because he's an ass that get in their ass when they mess up.

thurman merman
09-22-2010, 11:17 AM
Not interested at all.

WTF

thurman merman
09-22-2010, 11:17 AM
I'd give a first for him.

Kolb is better than anyone coming out next year IMO.

Kolb would make the Chiefs a playoff team this season.

FYP

The Bad Guy
09-22-2010, 11:18 AM
He'd be a better fit for our offense than Cassel is.

If that's the criteria, there are about 25 starting QBs that fit our offense better than Cassel.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:19 AM
I wouldn't give up a 1st.....or a 2nd. I'd give up a conditional 3rd.

Shag
09-22-2010, 11:21 AM
This would throw up a big red flag for me. The Eagles put all their faith in Kolb this offseason when they let McNabb go, and now they want to trade him after playing for less than a half? That screams danger to me...

Short Leash Hootie
09-22-2010, 11:22 AM
I'd take him over Cassel...doesn't mean I want him...and at this point we have to live with what we have...

Can't bring in a fringe QB and teach him the playbook or team chemistry overnight...that would be a dumb, dumb, dumb move.

Donger
09-22-2010, 11:26 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense to just suit Brodie up in a Michelin Man suit?

MGRS13
09-22-2010, 11:26 AM
I'd give a first for him.

Kolb is better than anyone coming out next year IMO.

Kolb would make the Chiefs a playoff team next season.
ummmm.... Ryan Mallet!

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:30 AM
WTF

I haven't seen much from him.What has he done so far that makes him such a great QB? Better than Cassel? Well hell yeah,Mark Bradley was a better QB than Cassel.

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:31 AM
This would throw up a big red flag for me. The Eagles put all their faith in Kolb this offseason when they let McNabb go, and now they want to trade him after playing for less than a half? That screams danger to me...

Exactly!:thumb:

-King-
09-22-2010, 11:31 AM
FYP

Lmao you hate flacco but love kolb? Have you even watched him? He fucking sucks. On the same level as cassel. He had Jackson, maclin and celek and still couldn't make it work. Dude sucks.
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talastan
09-22-2010, 11:34 AM
ummmm.... Ryan Mallet!

While I agree I don't know if this team has the gumption to actually draft and develop a franchise QB. Mallet has all the skills and the physicals, so I think he'll transition well to the NFL. Could we wait for him to come along as a QB for the Chiefs? I am really looking forward to the Bama vs. Arkansas game to see how he handles a top Defense.

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:35 AM
Lmao you hate flacco but love kolb? Have you even watched him? He ****ing sucks. On the same level as cassel. He had Jackson, maclin and celek and still couldn't make it work. Dude sucks.
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If anything Philly talked him up with the intent to feature Vick and Trade Kolb too.The injury just happened to speed up the process.To me if we even think about Kolb,we may as well bring Thiggy back.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:35 AM
If anything Philly talked him up with the intent to feature Vick and Trade Kolb too.The injury just happened to speed up the process.To me if we even think about Kolb,we may as well bring Thiggy back.

:spock:

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:36 AM
:spock:

Yeah I know Kolb is an all world Qb...Blah blah blah....Prove it.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:38 AM
Yeah I know Kolb is an all world Qb...Blah blah blah....Prove it.

I didn't say that. I was raising my eyebrow at the fact that you believe that the Eagles talked up Kolb so that they could trade him and showcase Vick. And that the injury to Kolb somehow sped up that process.


And they say I'm crazy...

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:39 AM
If anything he's Brodie v2.0.All the talent and skills (supposedly) one good hit and the bitch is on the bench.What's he had,2 games where he lit it up?:banghead:

MGRS13
09-22-2010, 11:40 AM
While I agree I don't know if this team has the gumption to actually draft and develop a franchise QB. Mallet has all the skills and the physicals, so I think he'll transition well to the NFL. Could we wait for him to come along as a QB for the Chiefs? I am really looking forward to the Bama vs. Arkansas game to see how he handles a top Defense.

I think the chiefs have backed themselves into a corner and the only way out is to draft a qb. They are young just about everywhere u look besides qb. Mallet will play on sundays. Will he be a HOF'er I dont know. But is far and away the best qb coming out next year.

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:41 AM
I didn't say that. I was raising my eyebrow at the fact that you believe that the Eagles talked up Kolb so that they could trade him and showcase Vick. And that the injury to Kolb somehow sped up that process.


And they say I'm crazy...

Ok.I don't truly believe everything they said about Kolb was bullshit,but I do believe they over hyped his talent level in hopes of increasing his trade value just in case.Who wouldn't?I don't see them dealing him anyway,not after all the ball washing from Reid.

LaChapelle
09-22-2010, 11:43 AM
Andy Reid will be available for trade by game 10

Bane
09-22-2010, 11:44 AM
Andy Reid will be available for trade by game 10

JC to Philly now eh?LMAO

Mr. Laz
09-22-2010, 11:45 AM
Cassel gets the rest of the season to prove himself, the Chiefs aren't trading for anyone else. Just hope that they cut bait instead of paying him that bonus if he doesn't improve.

DeezNutz
09-22-2010, 11:46 AM
I haven't seen much of Kolb, and when I have seen him play, he hasn't looked good.

BIG_DADDY
09-22-2010, 11:46 AM
Vick sends Kolb to the Dog Pound.

booger
09-22-2010, 11:51 AM
Vick sends Kolb to the Dog Pound.

:LOL:

the Talking Can
09-22-2010, 11:52 AM
I haven't seen much of Kolb, and when I have seen him play, he hasn't looked good.

this

we clowned his ass in preseason....



obviously a small sample....

-King-
09-22-2010, 11:54 AM
Ok.I don't truly believe everything they said about Kolb was bullshit,but I do believe they over hyped his talent level in hopes of increasing his trade value just in case.Who wouldn't?I don't see them dealing him anyway,not after all the ball washing from Reid.

You do realize they gave him a new contract this offseason right?
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Pestilence
09-22-2010, 11:59 AM
You do realize they gave him a new contract this offseason right?
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That was all a ploy to make more teams want him. :spock:

Bane
09-22-2010, 12:01 PM
You do realize they gave him a new contract this offseason right?
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Yeah but he still sucks IMO.
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Bane
09-22-2010, 12:02 PM
That was all a ploy to make more teams want him. :spock:
Giving him a new contract doesn't eliminate the possibility of trading him.Especially if he is as good as Philly and all of his ball washers say he is.
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johnny961
09-22-2010, 12:16 PM
Don't get me wrong.I wouldn't mind seeing more competition at our QB position but think the pricetag would be too high for Kolb. Not sure, though.

Thig Lyfe
09-22-2010, 12:23 PM
bring Thiggy back.

FINALLY YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING SOME SENSE

Frosty
09-22-2010, 12:30 PM
I know Kolb is attractive because he's ABC but I don't know that he has shown enough to be considered worth a high pick.

johnny961
09-22-2010, 12:33 PM
I know Kolb is attractive because he's ABC but I don't know that he has shown enough to be considered worth a high pick.


My thoughts exactly.

Chiefs Rool
09-22-2010, 12:34 PM
I'd do it, trade Castle for him and maybe add a pick to sweeten the deal.

Bane
09-22-2010, 12:35 PM
FINALLY YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING SOME SENSE

Well if were going to continue this dumpster diving for QB's thing,what the hell!!!!
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Cave Johnson
09-22-2010, 12:35 PM
I wouldn't give up a 1st.....or a 2nd. I'd give up a conditional 3rd.

This. Maybe just a 4th.

Hug it Out Dan
09-22-2010, 12:38 PM
this

we clowned his ass in preseason....



obviously a small sample....

He also torched us last yr in the reg season....you know, when the games actually matter?

johnny961
09-22-2010, 12:40 PM
I'd do it, trade Castle for him and maybe add a pick to sweeten the deal.

ROFL I don't think anybody out there would want to eat Cassel's contract, even if we would entertain trades involving him.

Rausch
09-22-2010, 12:40 PM
I haven't seen much of Kolb, and when I have seen him play, he hasn't looked good.

This.

http://smilepanic.com/wp-content/uploads/do_not_want4.jpg

Frosty
09-22-2010, 12:40 PM
He also torched us last yr in the reg season.

Yeah - but who didn't?

-King-
09-22-2010, 12:40 PM
He also torched us last yr in the reg season....you know, when the games actually matter?

I could have torched the chiefs last yr
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B_Ambuehl
09-22-2010, 12:42 PM
Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.

This football team likely won't be bad enough to have a shot at Mallett or Luck.

Browns, Faiders, Bills, Cardinals, Jaguars, Seahawks, Vikings

All those teams need QBs and at least 2 of them will more than likely finish with a worse record than the Chiefs and none of them (except for maybe the Faiders) are likely to pass on a franchise QB.

I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.

Iowanian
09-22-2010, 12:42 PM
I'd rather make some trade with Greenbay for some combination of Brodie Croyle, maybe Battle/draft pics for Flynn.

Cave Johnson
09-22-2010, 12:42 PM
You do realize they gave him a new contract this offseason right?
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New info, actually. He's got a really tradable contract. The deal was 2 years, $10.7M bonus, and small base salaries. Good low risk/high reward for a team with terrible QB play such as ours.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4151

Baconeater
09-22-2010, 12:47 PM
Chiefs will not bring in a QB......period
This is what I'm thinking.


Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.

This football team likely won't be bad enough to have a shot at Mallett or Luck.

Browns, Faiders, Bills, Cardinals, Jaguars, Seahawks, Vikings

All those teams need QBs and at least 2 of them will more than likely finish with a worse record than the Chiefs and none of them (except for maybe the Faiders) are likely to pass on a franchise QB.

I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.
Die.

DeezNutz
09-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.


Worst Pioli insult on this site for days.

Tuckdaddy
09-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Don't get me wrong.I wouldn't mind seeing more competition at our QB position but think the pricetag would be too high for Kolb. Not sure, though.

He should come cheap. He's not the starter and has played very little.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.

This football team likely won't be bad enough to have a shot at Mallett or Luck.

Browns, Faiders, Bills, Cardinals, Jaguars, Seahawks, Vikings

All those teams need QBs and at least 2 of them will more than likely finish with a worse record than the Chiefs and none of them (except for maybe the Faiders) are likely to pass on a franchise QB.

I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.

This shit is full of FAIL.

Cassel isn't 2-0. This team has won in spite of how shitty Cassel is.

And the Raiders, Cardinals and Seahawks more than likely won't be going after a QB. The Raiders like Bruce Gradkowski. The Cardinals have Max Hall. The Seahawks traded for Charlie Whitehurst.

Mecca
09-22-2010, 12:50 PM
I see his point, if the Chiefs win 7 games or something like that, Cassel is going to be back.

johnny961
09-22-2010, 12:51 PM
He should come cheap. He's not the starter and has played very little.

If thats the case, we need to consider it. Even if it doesn't pan out maybe Cassel will step it up a notch if he feels threatened. Competition is a good thing.

DeezNutz
09-22-2010, 12:57 PM
Radical idea time:

Let's not acquire someone else's backup and try to pass him off as our starter.

Cave Johnson
09-22-2010, 12:59 PM
I see his point, if the Chiefs win 7 games or something like that, Cassel is going to be back.

Not at his current salary ($12.25M in 2011).

Kolb to KC for a conditional pick could well happen, especially given this front office's penchant for veteran QBs.

B_Ambuehl
09-22-2010, 01:00 PM
Guaranteed if this football team stays around .500 you'll start to hear all sorts of pro-Cassell propoganda from the front office regardless of how he performs. Expect to hear all sorts of Dilfer like comparisons like "Cassell may not air it out for tons of yards but he doesn't make mistakes and he's an even keeled offensive leader - you can win with a guy like that" "Mainly what we're looking for in a QB is a winner - Throughout his time in new england Cassell showed he was a winner and he's continued that here. At the end of the day what matter is wins and losses and Cassells shown he can get it done when it counts"

At 8-8 Pioli will find any excuse possible to keep him around.

Pestilence
09-22-2010, 01:01 PM
Radical idea time:

Let's not acquire someone else's backup and try to pass him off as our starter.

Trust the process.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-22-2010, 01:01 PM
Radical idea time:

Let's not acquire someone else's backup and try to pass him off as our starter.

Still believe in Santa, Sasquatch, and the Loch Ness Monsta?

Mecca
09-22-2010, 01:02 PM
Not at his current salary ($12.25M in 2011).

Kolb to KC for a conditional pick could well happen, especially given this front office's penchant for veteran QBs.

They'll just renegotiate his contract...if this team has a decent record I fully expect him back.

johnny961
09-22-2010, 01:02 PM
Not at his current salary ($12.25M in 2011).

Kolb to KC for a conditional pick could well happen, especially given this front office's penchant for veteran QBs.

Thats whats got me thinking that Cassel may be more disposable than we think. Unless he restructures, I don't see him getting over 12 mil next yr.

Rudy lost the toss
09-22-2010, 01:03 PM
Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.

This football team likely won't be bad enough to have a shot at Mallett or Luck.

Browns, Faiders, Bills, Cardinals, Jaguars, Seahawks, Vikings

All those teams need QBs and at least 2 of them will more than likely finish with a worse record than the Chiefs and none of them (except for maybe the Faiders) are likely to pass on a franchise QB.

I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.
Raiders don't have a first round pick in 2011....unless they have somebody else's

FAX
09-22-2010, 01:03 PM
Guaranteed if this football team stays around .500 you'll start to hear all sorts of pro-Cassell propoganda from the front office regardless of how he performs. Expect to hear all sorts of Dilfer like comparisons like "Cassell may not air it out for tons of yards but he doesn't make mistakes and he's an even keeled offensive leader - you can win with a guy like that" "Mainly what we're looking for in a QB is a winner - Throughout his time in new england Cassell showed he was a winner and he's continued that here. At the end of the day what matter is wins and losses and Cassells shown he can get it done when it counts"

At 8-8 Pioli will find any excuse possible to keep him around.

I don't think so, Mr. B_Ambuehl. Not if he's peaking out at quarterback ratings in the 50s or 60s. Pioli is smarter than that ... I think.

And if he isn't, Clark is. No way he writes that check to a quarterback whose chin is longer than his throwing range.

FAX

CaliforniaChief
09-22-2010, 01:04 PM
I just don't get it. The Eagles send their franchise QB to a division rival and proclaim Kolb is the MAN. One shaky preseason and a concussion later and they would trade him because they're going to go with a man who is one more bad decision away from a lifetime ban?

Either....
A. The Eagles are not going to trade Kolb and just plan to ride Vick's hot streak until it ends.
B. They learned something about Kolb or figured out that he can't be the franchise QB and then, he wouldn't be worth acquiring.

Bane
09-22-2010, 01:05 PM
Radical idea time:

Let's not acquire someone else's backup and try to pass him off as our starter.

Dumpster diving 101 there pal.LMAO

DeezNutz
09-22-2010, 01:06 PM
I don't think so, Mr. B_Ambuehl. Not if he's peaking out at quarterback ratings in the 50s or 60s. Pioli is smarter than that ... I think.

And if he isn't, Clark is. No way he writes that check to a quarterback whose chin is longer than his throwing range.

FAX

Two words, sponsored by fine turd rag makers everywhere:

Restructured contract.

johnny961
09-22-2010, 01:07 PM
I don't think so, Mr. B_Ambuehl. Not if he's peaking out at quarterback ratings in the 50s or 60s. Pioli is smarter than that ... I think.

And if he isn't, Clark is. No way he writes that check to a quarterback whose chin is longer than his throwing range.

FAX

Yeah. Clark may be the trump card here.

Brock
09-22-2010, 01:07 PM
Radical idea time:

Let's not acquire someone else's backup and try to pass him off as our starter.

Turn back the clock to 1983!

DeezNutz
09-22-2010, 01:08 PM
Turn back the clock to 1983!

Point taken. That mistake set us back 27 years, so I'm not sure we could afford another one.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:09 PM
Two words, sponsored by fine turd rag makers everywhere:

Restructured contract.

Yep. Fully expecting him to get the Kellen Clemens treatment.

Take a pay cut, or sayonara.

He'll take the pay cut, because he knows this is the only place in the league he'll start, and we'll be subject to another 2-3 years of Admiral Checkdown.

the Talking Can
09-22-2010, 01:09 PM
He also torched us last yr in the reg season....you know, when the games actually matter?

great

if we're going to get in a time machine and replay last year.....otherwise, i don't give a shit...

lcarus
09-22-2010, 01:09 PM
I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.

You also just predicted my suicide. :hmmm:

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:09 PM
I just don't get it. The Eagles send their franchise QB to a division rival and proclaim Kolb is the MAN. One shaky preseason and a concussion later and they would trade him because they're going to go with a man who is one more bad decision away from a lifetime ban?

Either....
A. The Eagles are not going to trade Kolb and just plan to ride Vick's hot streak until it ends.
B. They learned something about Kolb or figured out that he can't be the franchise QB and then, he wouldn't be worth acquiring.

I think right now people are so eager to lynch Cassel, that they would be willing to take anything, just because its not Cassel...

Regardless if its Ryan Leaf, Russell or heck they would even take anyone off this list, just because its not Matty Light.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-5-Worst-NFL-Quarterbacks-of-All-Time

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:11 PM
You also just predicted my suicide. :hmmm:
http://www.wordforge.net/images/smilies/CurlyBill.jpg

Brock
09-22-2010, 01:11 PM
Point taken. That mistake set us back 27 years, so I'm not sure we could afford another one.

Let's not give up our title of QB Graveyard so easily.

Mecca
09-22-2010, 01:12 PM
Yep. Fully expecting him to get the Kellen Clemens treatment.

Take a pay cut, or sayonara.

He'll take the pay cut, because he knows this is the only place in the league he'll start, and we'll be subject to another 2-3 years of Admiral Checkdown.

Bingo.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:12 PM
I don't think so, Mr. B_Ambuehl. Not if he's peaking out at quarterback ratings in the 50s or 60s. Pioli is smarter than that ... I think.

And if he isn't, Clark is. No way he writes that check to a quarterback whose chin is longer than his throwing range.

FAX

Yeah. Clark may be the trump card here.

The same Clark Hunt that took every opportunity, in every interview he did in the OAH (offseason after Herm) that it was his desire to draft and develop a franchise QB - only to let Pioli talk him into giving $30M - plus potentially more - to a career backup?

Sorry, but Clark ain't that smart.

booger
09-22-2010, 01:12 PM
I just don't get it. The Eagles send their franchise QB to a division rival and proclaim Kolb is the MAN. One shaky preseason and a concussion later and they would trade him because they're going to go with a man who is one more bad decision away from a lifetime ban?

Either....
A. The Eagles are not going to trade Kolb and just plan to ride Vick's hot streak until it ends.
B. They learned something about Kolb or figured out that he can't be the franchise QB and then, he wouldn't be worth acquiring.

i have the same questions on if he is available why are they giving up on him. Unless they really like this years Pick Kafka out of Northwestern.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:13 PM
i have the same questions on if he is available why are they giving up on him. Unless they really like this years Pick Kafka out of Northwestern.

It was just pre-season, but the few games I saw Kafka he looks like he could be a solid QB.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:14 PM
Let's not give up our title of QB Graveyard so easily.

Hey? :spock:

Just incase you didnt get the memo, Herm's gone now...


:D

Brock
09-22-2010, 01:15 PM
Hey? :spock:

Just incase you didnt get the memo, Herm's gone now...


:D

The song remains the same. Gannon is the only one that survived.

Hug it Out Dan
09-22-2010, 01:16 PM
Matt Cassell is a 2-0 starting QB.

That might not mean much to you guys, but it means everything to Pioli.

This football team likely won't be bad enough to have a shot at Mallett or Luck.

Browns, Faiders, Bills, Cardinals, Jaguars, Seahawks, Vikings

All those teams need QBs and at least 2 of them will more than likely finish with a worse record than the Chiefs and none of them (except for maybe the Faiders) are likely to pass on a franchise QB.

I predict a contract re-negotiation for Cassell in the offseason and another year with him as starting QB.

Dude you're drunk. It's only week 2, it's very possible we could lose our next 3 games.

booger
09-22-2010, 01:17 PM
It was just pre-season, but the few games I saw Kafka he looks like he could be a solid QB.

what i was thinking is that they comparred Kolb to Rogers in GB and how he sat for a long time and was ready when he got his chance. Maybe they don't feel that way about Kolb anymore or maybe the difference between Kolb and Kafka once he sits and learns isn't much difference.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:17 PM
The song remains the same. Gannon is the only one that survived.

I know. Its sad...

Its way past time.. I am already sick of Weis and Cassel and were only 2 games in....

At least last year, Haley tried to score and tried to move the ball... Weis is making Herm's offense look like the 1999 Rams...

johnny961
09-22-2010, 01:18 PM
I think right now people are so eager to lynch Cassel, that they would be willing to take anything, just because its not Cassel...

Regardless if its Ryan Leaf, Russell or heck they would even take anyone off this list, just because its not Matty Light.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-5-Worst-NFL-Quarterbacks-of-All-Time

I hear ya. Fans are so sick of Cassel's screw-ups they want to see a change, ANY change to our passing game.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:19 PM
Dude you're drunk. It's only week 2, it's very possible we could lose our next 3 games.

Even so, history shows that this regime refuses to blame the Chosen One.

We have the only QB in the league that has the balls to say he graded out with no errors in a game in which he threw 4 INT's and had a 34 QB rating.

Any ideas on where that sense of invincibility/entitlement comes from?

How about the coaching staff that enables it?

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:21 PM
I hear ya. Fans are so sick of Cassel's screw-ups they want to see a change, ANY change to our passing game.

Any change?

Good, Put No Show Bowe on that hate list as well...

Dude sucks the penis.

Mecca
09-22-2010, 01:22 PM
I don't even think Cassel remotely thinks he's even on the hotseat. Look how he's coddled and treated, why should we think he's going to be replaced?

Brock
09-22-2010, 01:22 PM
Any change?

Good, Put No Show Bowe on that hate list as well...

Dude sucks the penis.

Give him a QB like Damon Huard and he puts up 1000 yards.

Mecca
09-22-2010, 01:22 PM
Any change?

Good, Put No Show Bowe on that hate list as well...

Dude sucks the penis.

It's hard to blame WR's when you have a QB who can't get them the ball.

johnny961
09-22-2010, 01:23 PM
The same Clark Hunt that took every opportunity, in every interview he did in the OAH (offseason after Herm) that it was his desire to draft and develop a franchise QB - only to let Pioli talk him into giving $30M - plus potentially more - to a career backup?

Sorry, but Clark ain't that smart.

Clark may not be the smartest cookie, but I somehow get the impression that he'll be more hands-on with regards to personnel decisions with Pioli than Lamar ever was with Carl. If he sees something he perceives as wrong he'll put more heat on Pioli to fix the issue than his dad ever put on Carl. Just my thinking, though.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:24 PM
Give him a QB like Damon Huard and he puts up 1000 yards.

That's.

So.

Awesome.

LMAO

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2010, 01:26 PM
Any change?

Good, Put No Show Bowe on that hate list as well...

Dude sucks the penis.Seriously, dude? He caught 70 his rookie season, and followed that up with 86. His QB through most of that was Damon Fucking Huard. This is how bad our QB is. I long for Huard.

Fuck you, Matt Cassel. Fuck. You.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:29 PM
It's hard to blame WR's when you have a QB who can't get them the ball.

Give him a QB like Damon Huard and he puts up 1000 yards.

Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:30 PM
Seriously, dude? He caught 70 his rookie season, and followed that up with 86. His QB through most of that was Damon ****ing Huard. This is how bad our QB is. I long for Huard.

**** you, Matt Cassel. ****. You.

You know what?

You have a point here... Looking at Weis's game plans... We might not have a 1000 yard 70 catch WR....

lcarus
09-22-2010, 01:31 PM
http://www.wordforge.net/images/smilies/CurlyBill.jpg

I love people that post stupid pictures on forums that are intended to be funny but are not. Thank you.

the Talking Can
09-22-2010, 01:32 PM
there is no one left to throw under the bus to defend a piece of shit like Cassel...


...but people keep trying

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:33 PM
there is no one left to throw under the bus to defend a piece of shit like Cassel...


...but people keep trying

:banghead:

Agree! What is frustrating is that we dont have another option.

-King-
09-22-2010, 01:35 PM
Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?

Watch Bowe...
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548271/presnap.jpg
Keep watching
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548274/snap_medium.jpg
Hmmmm
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548289/snap2_medium.jpg
Is Bowe open?
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548277/open_medium.jpg



Yeah he is, so the ball is going to go to him right?





























Wait...what is he doing with the ball?
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/548325/turnover_medium.jpg

And video... http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/09000d5d81aa6f77/Browns-defense-INT

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 01:35 PM
Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?

There were screencaps of the Cleveland game showing this exact thing happening.

Bowe beat his man 1-on-1, the safety dropped down on the crossing TE, but Cassel locked on Chambers from the snap, and threw an INT.

Happened several times on MNF as well. I noticed it several times from our vantage point at Arrowhead, and Flopnuts pointed out another I missed.

Ask anyone who sits in the upper level at Arrowhead if Cassel has WR's open and he misses them. I guarantee you the answer is "YES."

Iowanian
09-22-2010, 01:35 PM
I love people that post stupid pictures on forums that are intended to be funny but are not. Thank you.


someone pull the kick me sign off of his back.

Brock
09-22-2010, 01:35 PM
Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?

No, I'm sure Bowe all of a sudden forgot how to play.

BigMeatballDave
09-22-2010, 01:37 PM
Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?In the NFL, you dont need to be 'wide freakin open'. But and NFL QB should look at other options before he commits to one. I question weather he knows what 'progressions' are. Cassel doesnt appear to know how to do this. How is this the WRs fault? The problems with this O begin and end with Cassel.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:42 PM
There were screencaps of the Cleveland game showing this exact thing happening.

Bowe beat his man 1-on-1, the safety dropped down on the crossing TE, but Cassel locked on Chambers from the snap, and threw an INT.

Happened several times on MNF as well. I noticed it several times from our vantage point at Arrowhead, and Flopnuts pointed out another I missed.

Ask anyone who sits in the upper level at Arrowhead if Cassel has WR's open and he misses them. I guarantee you the answer is "YES."

Yep, I remember that play and was screaming at the screen about it... Thanks for point that out.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2010, 01:44 PM
No, I'm sure Bowe all of a sudden forgot how to play.

Well he did go to LSU, that isnt out of them realm of possibilities...

:thumb:

ILChief
09-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Can you show me where (this year) Bowe or Chambers was wide freaking open, streching the field and Cassel failed to get the ball to them?

This isn't Ohio state vs Akron. Unless it's a blown coverage receivers don't get wide open. NFL qb's have to be able to put the ball in a tight window where only the wr can get it.

Fritz88
09-22-2010, 02:03 PM
What was Matt Schaub traded for? Its essentially the same situation. Schuab was full of "potential" when traded, and had only played a handful of games.

Two 2round picks and a swap of first round picks. Atlanta got Houston's 8th over all and Houston got Atlanta's 10th over all.

B_Ambuehl
09-22-2010, 03:22 PM
Dude you're drunk. It's only week 2, it's very possible we could lose our next 3 games.

I personally hope the Chiefs lose as many games as it takes to get Cassell on the bench permanently. However, this defense is gonna keep him in games and as long as the chiefs are around .500 I don't see this front office & ownership wanting to change much. They'd almost certainly rather keep Cassell around for $2-$3 million a year then commit $50 million to another player at the position.

Clark has shown thru his actions that he's not committed to winning. For an owner thats dead last in team spending every year you gotta think 8-8 is perfectly fine and a good solid business.

Lamar appeared to take winning much more serious with what he invested in the roster.

Rausch
09-22-2010, 03:30 PM
No, I'm sure Bowe all of a sudden forgot how to play.

He has since Casshole arrived.

He averaged 1,000 a year (with crap-tastic QB's) before that...

DrRyan
09-22-2010, 03:31 PM
I think the chiefs have backed themselves into a corner and the only way out is to draft a qb. They are young just about everywhere u look besides qb. Mallet will play on sundays. Will he be a HOF'er I dont know. But is far and away the best qb coming out next year.

Unless Luck declares. I get that Mallet has all the "measurables" but I would take Luck over Mallet(as of right now) in a second. Luck is the antithesis of Matt Cassel's accuracy.

Hog Farmer
09-22-2010, 03:32 PM
I wish we could get him. I honestly think he can play but u need a firery general at that position these days. We need a QB that demands respect from his team players because he's an ass that get in their ass when they mess up.

I saw Cassel give McCluster a dirty look against Cleveland when he threw the ball way in front.

Rausch
09-22-2010, 03:35 PM
Luck is the antithesis of Matt Cassel's accuracy.

I....what?

Marcellus
09-22-2010, 03:42 PM
There were screencaps of the Cleveland game showing this exact thing happening.

Bowe beat his man 1-on-1, the safety dropped down on the crossing TE, but Cassel locked on Chambers from the snap, and threw an INT.

Happened several times on MNF as well. I noticed it several times from our vantage point at Arrowhead, and Flopnuts pointed out another I missed.

Ask anyone who sits in the upper level at Arrowhead if Cassel has WR's open and he misses them. I guarantee you the answer is "YES."

I am not arguing for Cassel because I am officially sick of him.

I will say that sitting up top at Arrowhead looking down does give you an interesting vantage point but receivers being open from the "top" view does not mean they are open from field level.

You can't see the angles and lanes from the top. There can easily be bodies in the way of the passing lanes that you won't be able to determine watching from the top.

Not to say there weren't open receivers at times but it can be deceiving in my opinion when you are watching from more or less overhead.

If the QB is having to move to his left and has a wall of lineman dukeing it out on his right, the receiver could have 5 yards separation on the right side of the field and it wouldn't matter.

That being said Cassel still sucks.

Rausch
09-22-2010, 03:44 PM
Stuff.....whatever.....stuff.......bla bla bla...

That being said Cassel still sucks.

Agreed.

Marcellus
09-22-2010, 03:48 PM
Agreed.

:cuss: :)

DrRyan
09-22-2010, 04:05 PM
I....what?

Now I am confused. WTF are you saying? Andrew Luck is the complete opposite of Cassel in regards to accuracy.

chiefs1111
09-22-2010, 04:07 PM
Who WOULDN'T be?

Trent Edwards

Thig Lyfe
09-22-2010, 04:08 PM
I love people that post stupid pictures on forums that are intended to be funny but are not. Thank you.

You must be new here.

OnTheWarpath58
09-22-2010, 04:09 PM
Trent Edwards

Debatable.

Edwards throws a decent deep ball.

Mecca
09-22-2010, 04:11 PM
I saw Cassel give McCluster a dirty look against Cleveland when he threw the ball way in front.

I saw that, I was like look Cassel is acting like his awful pass was McCluster's fault.

Frankie
09-22-2010, 04:30 PM
Trade J. Charles straight up for him.

Somebody get the hooks.

Pioli Zombie
09-22-2010, 04:56 PM
I don't get way all of the sudden the attitude here is that Kolb sucks when just 2 weeks ago he was a top 10 fantasy league MUST.
I would definately give a second rounder. He's is better than Cassel with much more potential who fits the system better. And I was the last defender for fucks sake!!

Brock
09-22-2010, 04:58 PM
I don't get way all of the sudden the attitude here is that Kolb sucks when just 2 weeks ago he was a top 10 fantasy league MUST.
I would definately give a second rounder. He's is better than Cassel with much more potential who fits the system better. And I was the last defender for fucks sake!!

There's even less evidence that Kolb is good than there was that Cassel was. He isn't worth a 5th round pick.

dirk digler
09-22-2010, 05:05 PM
Yep. Fully expecting him to get the Kellen Clemens treatment.

Take a pay cut, or sayonara.

He'll take the pay cut, because he knows this is the only place in the league he'll start, and we'll be subject to another 2-3 years of Admiral Checkdown.

That would be an ideal scenario considering Clemens had to do that to be the 3rd team QB. I doubt Cassel would take the deal to demote himself all the way down to 3rd string.

Coogs
09-22-2010, 05:18 PM
I saw that, I was like look Cassel is acting like his awful pass was McCluster's fault.

I pretty much thought if McCluster would have cut up the field, he still would have been overthrown by quite a bit. Plus he probably would have been lit up by a defender who was closing fast.

Frankie
09-22-2010, 08:25 PM
i have the same questions on if he is available why are they giving up on him. Unless they really like this years Pick Kafka out of Northwestern.

I'm not sure if I don't prefer Kafka to Kolb. :hmmm:

BWillie
09-22-2010, 08:30 PM
I'm not sure if I don't prefer Kafka to Kolb. :hmmm:

Haha ive been raving about kafka for a year now. Get it done pioli. THE deal.is done.

Frankie
09-22-2010, 08:37 PM
Unless Luck declares. I get that Mallet has all the "measurables" but I would take Luck over Mallet(as of right now) in a second. Luck is the antithesis of Matt Cassel's accuracy.

Ponder?

CHENZ A!
09-22-2010, 08:58 PM
I don't really want this fuckin guy.

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 08:08 AM
So Vick is Philly's starter now for the foreseeable future, right?

If so, the Chiefs need to aggressively pursue Kolb this offseason.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 08:17 AM
Luck is about the only QB I would take in the first round. But I'm sorry to tell everyone thinking that the Chiefs will have a chance of drafting him that they have 0% chance. The Bills are not going to give up that #1 and you are crazy to think that Fitzpatrick is going to be their QB.

If Baldwin is still on the boards when the Chiefs come around I think we have to draft him and draft Stanzi acouple rounds later for CROYLES backup (Cassels cut).

Otherwise there are 2 potential current developing QB's that I can see their teams taking offers for... Kolb and Henne.

Chiefs=Good
11-11-2010, 08:19 AM
I would rather draft Ponder in a later round.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 08:24 AM
Unless we take Ponder in the first round, which would be a horrible idea, then he'll be off the block by the time #2 comes around.

Coogs
11-11-2010, 08:29 AM
for CROYLES backup (Cassels cut).

This is from last August...

Chiefs re-signed restricted free agent QB Brodie Croyle to a one-year, $1.759 million contract.



...and if I am not mistaken, that means Croyle probably walks if he wants after this season. No way they would franchise him keep him from doing so.

BigMeatballDave
11-11-2010, 08:30 AM
If so, the Chiefs need to aggressively pursue Kolb this offseason.Unless Pioli/Haley plan on letting Cassel go, this will never happen.

CoMoChief
11-11-2010, 08:38 AM
I would rather draft Ponder in a later round.

Dude Ponder is fucking terrible.

CoMoChief
11-11-2010, 08:39 AM
This is from last August...




...and if I am not mistaken, that means Croyle probably walks if he wants after this season. No way they would franchise him keep him from doing so.

Why? He's not going to go anbywhere else to start. Unless Chan Gailey for some reason is high on him.

BigMeatballDave
11-11-2010, 08:50 AM
Dude Ponder is fucking terrible.Hmmm... I wasnt sure about Ponder. Now that I know you think he sucks, he'll probably develop into a pretty good QB. :)

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 08:51 AM
Unless Pioli/Haley plan on letting Cassel go, this will never happen.

Keen observation there...

-King-
11-11-2010, 08:53 AM
Hmmm... I wasnt sure about Ponder. Now that I know you think he sucks, he'll probably develop into a pretty good QB. :)

Why the fuck do people like Kolb? He fucking sucks. It's not even like he doesn't have weapon, he has Jackson, Maclin, and Celek to throw to and he still manages to fucking suck. Shit, Croyle is better.
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BigMeatballDave
11-11-2010, 08:55 AM
Keen observation there...Do you really think Cassel will not be starting for the Chiefs next season?

BigMeatballDave
11-11-2010, 08:56 AM
Why the fuck do people like Kolb? He fucking sucks. It's not even like he doesn't have weapon, he has Jackson, Maclin, and Celek to throw to and he still manages to fucking suck. Shit, Croyle is better.
Posted via Mobile DeviceKolb is better than Cassel. And its not even close.

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:00 AM
Do you really think Cassel will not be starting for the Chiefs next season?

One can only hope.

Kolb does not suck, BTW. Winning record as a starter and he plays in an offense that actually asks the quarterback to be a playmaker.

Brock
11-11-2010, 09:01 AM
Kolb would end up being just like all the other backups we've tried to bring here and make a starter out of. Isn't it time to recognize a pattern?

jd1020
11-11-2010, 09:01 AM
Do you really think Cassel will not be starting for the Chiefs next season?

Unless he drastically improves his quality of play then I dont see him getting paid. He's had 1 good game this year with a whole lot of bad to mediocre games being carried by the run.

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:03 AM
Kolb would end up being just like all the other backups we've tried to bring here and make a starter out of. Isn't it time to recognize a pattern?

Kolb was good enough that Reid dumped a HOF QB this offseason.

I think he's a little different than the Bonos and Grbacs of the world.

Brock
11-11-2010, 09:04 AM
Kolb was good enough that Reid dumped a HOF QB this offseason.

I think he's a little different than the Bonos and Grbacs of the world.

And then he promptly dumped Kolb on the bench. What makes Kolb any different from those other guys?

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:05 AM
And then he promptly dumped Kolb on the bench. What makes Kolb any different from those other guys?

Kolb lost his job due to injury, not performance.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 09:06 AM
I agree that Kolb is better than everyone is giving him credit for. Without looking at a stat sheet I know hes a career 60%+ passer with a 80+ rtg. But I dont think that McNabb is a HOF QB atm.

Brock
11-11-2010, 09:07 AM
Kolb lost his job due to injury, not performance.

Why didn't Vick lose his job to injury?

jd1020
11-11-2010, 09:07 AM
And then he promptly dumped Kolb on the bench. What makes Kolb any different from those other guys?

He lost his job when he got injured and then Vick is playing best QB in the NFL type football... Did you see Vick playing this well as a starter?

-King-
11-11-2010, 09:14 AM
Kolb is better than Cassel. And its not even close.

So the fuck what? Herpes is better than AIDs but I'd rather have neither.

And I'm not so sure Kolb is better than Cassel. Have you ever watched him? His accuracy is fucking terrible. Maybe worse than Cassel's.
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-King-
11-11-2010, 09:15 AM
Kolb lost his job due to injury, not performance.

That's just an excuse. He lost his job because Vick is LIGHTYEARS ahead of him and it's not even close.
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DBOSHO
11-11-2010, 09:17 AM
From what ive seen of kolb, i wouldnt give up anything more than a 3rd. Croyle is better than him, without trackstars for wide recievers

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:19 AM
And I'm not so sure Kolb is better than Cassel. Have you ever watched him? His accuracy is fucking terrible. Maybe worse than Cassel's.
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A guy with a 64 percent completion percentage is less accurate than a guy completing 58 percent?

mcaj22
11-11-2010, 09:20 AM
not trying to defend Cassel but he'd probably put up similar numbers Kolb has with all that Eagles talent in the passing attack.

No different than the numbers Cassel put up in NE.

Talent means everything. Kolb would die here with the garbage we have in the passing game.

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:20 AM
Croyle is better than him

At least Kolb has won a game.

Brock
11-11-2010, 09:21 AM
At least Kolb has won a game.

Elvis Grbac won a lot of games.

-King-
11-11-2010, 09:25 AM
A guy with a 64 percent completion percentage is less accurate than a guy completing 58 percent?

Ok, that's why I said maybe. Seriously watch the guy, he is fucking terrible. He had Jackson Maclin Celek and Evant as his receivers and still managed to suck shit.
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Fritz88
11-11-2010, 09:27 AM
Going after Kolb is another definition of retardation. He's slightly better than Cassel and the Eagles will not let him for less than a second rounder.

Count Zarth
11-11-2010, 09:29 AM
He had Jackson Maclin Celek and Evant as his receivers and still managed to suck shit.


ROFL

The guy has started 6 games in his NFL career.

Jeez.

He's gonna go somewhere and light it up like Schaub.

Reerun_KC
11-11-2010, 09:38 AM
ROFL

The guy has started 6 games in his NFL career.

Jeez.

He's gonna go somewhere and light it up like Schaub.

I would be willing to bet you a lifetime ban from CP that this doesnt happen...

Detoxing
11-11-2010, 09:40 AM
Cassel is our QB next year. They're drafting a WR in the first. Bank on it.

boogblaster
11-11-2010, 09:53 AM
In all fairness to Casshole .. he has played our game-plan to all of his abilities .. yes he's not a HOF QB but in this system we're playing partly because of his limititions he's only had acouple bad bad games ... we need acouple WRs worse ........

DBOSHO
11-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Cassel is our QB next year. They're drafting a WR in the first. Bank on it.

If we keep cassel. I want julio jones. I know green will be gone by then. Julio might be too.

KChiefs1
11-11-2010, 10:03 AM
I don't want Kolb....he sucks!

WR has to be the Chiefs first pick.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 10:09 AM
If we keep cassel. I want julio jones. I know green will be gone by then. Julio might be too.

Why on earth would you ever take Jones over Floyd or Baldwin?

FishingRod
11-11-2010, 10:10 AM
If we are not going to draft a first round QB next year I wouldn't mind trading a 3-4 round pick for someone like Matt Flynn from GB and actually let Brodie Him and Cassel compete for the starting job.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 10:14 AM
If we are not going to draft a first round QB next year I wouldn't mind trading a 3-4 round pick for someone like Matt Flynn from GB and actually let Brodie Him and Cassel compete for the starting job.

If the Chiefs plan on trying to develop Cassel into a decent starting QB then the last thing I want to see them do is to trade a pick for a QB and pay Cassels bonus to have him compete for the starting position. Ya his contract was front loaded but he's still on the books for 5-7mil per year for a backup roll? No thanks.

FishingRod
11-11-2010, 10:30 AM
If the Chiefs plan on trying to develop Cassel into a decent starting QB then the last thing I want to see them do is to trade a pick for a QB and pay Cassels bonus to have him compete for the starting position. Ya his contract was front loaded but he's still on the books for 5-7mil per year for a backup roll? No thanks.

I think he has developed to pretty much what he is going to be. A good backup QB. Much like the guys that filled in while Roethlisberger was out, he can do enough to keep the team afloat and not loose games. We need a guy that makes the people around him better not a weakness we have to cover up. It is not his fault we paid him a pile of money. A great team usually needs at least really good QB play. I just kinda figure if we had an honest competition we would probably upgrade at the position. If he were to cut his contract to about 1/3 of his current one I would be happy to keep him on as the #2.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 10:35 AM
I think he has developed to pretty much what he is going to be. A good backup QB. Much like the guys that filled in while Roethlisberger was out, he can do enough to keep the team afloat and not loose games. We need a guy that makes the people around him better not a weakness we have to cover up. It is not his fault we paid him a pile of money. A great team usually needs at least really good QB play. I just kinda figure if we had an honest competition we would probably upgrade at the position. If he were to cut his contract to about 1/3 of his current one I would be happy to keep him on as the #2.

If we cut Cassel he isnt going to resign with us. There are teams out there needing a QB and they will sign him to a starters salary because of his stats. He has no incentive to renegotiate his deal because of that. And theres no way you pay him a 7.5m bonus unless you believe hes going to develop into a better than average starter. There's no chance he's wearing red and gold if the Chiefs cut him and I honestly hope they do because hes no starter.

Brock
11-11-2010, 10:48 AM
If we cut Cassel he isnt going to resign with us. There are teams out there needing a QB and they will sign him to a starters salary because of his stats.

lolwut

jd1020
11-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Panthers? Bills? Cardinals? Seahawks? 49ers? Possibly the Dolphins, seems they arent sold on Henne. Bears? Lions, can Stafford stay healthy? There arent enough QB's in the draft for all of these teams to pick.

LaChapelle
11-11-2010, 10:58 AM
Cassel has been about all you can expect for a second rounder
bleh

Brock
11-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Panthers? Bills? Cardinals? Seahawks? 49ers? Possibly the Dolphins, seems they arent sold on Henne. Bears? Lions, can Stafford stay healthy? There arent enough QB's in the draft for all of these teams to pick.

The Panthers just drafted a QB, the Bills will draft a QB, the Cards probably will too, the Seahawks just traded for a QB, the Dolphins may as well play Pennington, who is Cassel's upside. I'm not even going to address the Bears and Lions, that's just stupid. Cassel isnt' starter material, believe your eyes, man.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 11:21 AM
The Panthers just drafted a QB, the Bills will draft a QB, the Cards probably will too, the Seahawks just traded for a QB, the Dolphins may as well play Pennington, who is Cassel's upside. I'm not even going to address the Bears and Lions, that's just stupid. Cassel isnt' starter material, believe your eyes, man.

Have you even watched Clausen? Hes terrible and can barely get the ball over the linemans heads. Pennington is a FA along with Thigpen. The Bills MAY draft a QB but Fitz is only 27 and if he continues to develop they might not. Cassel is far and above better than any QB the Seahawks have... Hasselback is a FA after this season. Are you one of those Cutler fanboys? He's terrible. Cutler is one of the very few starters in the NFL right now that I would NOT take over Cassel. The Lions cant keep Stafford on the field.

Rausch
11-11-2010, 11:27 AM
The Panthers just drafted a QB, the Bills will draft a QB, the Cards probably will too, the Seahawks just traded for a QB, the Dolphins may as well play Pennington, who is Cassel's upside. I'm not even going to address the Bears and Lions, that's just stupid. Cassel isnt' starter material, believe your eyes, man.

None of this is reliable in any way.

Instead of this we should evaluate our own weaknesses (NT, OLB, WR, C, QB, FS) and argue the best possible and likely solutions...

DaneMcCloud
11-11-2010, 11:31 AM
Have you even watched Clausen? Hes terrible and can barely get the ball over the linemans heads. Pennington is a FA along with Thigpen. The Bills MAY draft a QB but Fitz is only 27 and if he continues to develop they might not. Cassel is far and above better than any QB the Seahawks have... Hasselback is a FA after this season. Are you one of those Cutler fanboys? He's terrible. Cutler is one of the very few starters in the NFL right now that I would NOT take over Cassel. The Lions cant keep Stafford on the field.

Yeah, I'm sure all those teams are just chomping at the bit for Matt Cassel.

ROFL

jd1020
11-11-2010, 11:35 AM
Yeah, I'm sure all those teams are just chomping at the bit for Matt Cassel.

ROFL

I'm sure none of them are chopping at the bit for Matt Cassel since hes locked into a long contract with the Chiefs as of this moment. But if the Chiefs decided to cut Cassel you would be a fool to think none of them would take a look at him for QB.

The one exception I would give are the Lions. It may be too early to make a decision on Stafford but hes already had 2 season ending injuries in 2 years.

kaplin42
11-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Kolb would end up being just like all the other backups we've tried to bring here and make a starter out of. Isn't it time to recognize a pattern?

This!

Rausch
11-11-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm sure none of them are chopping at the bit for Matt Cassel since hes locked into a long contract with the Chiefs as of this moment.

Everything changes in year 3 after the CBA has expired...

DaneMcCloud
11-11-2010, 12:06 PM
I'm sure none of them are chopping at the bit for Matt Cassel since hes locked into a long contract with the Chiefs as of this moment. But if the Chiefs decided to cut Cassel you would be a fool to think none of them would take a look at him for QB.

The one exception I would give are the Lions. It may be too early to make a decision on Stafford but hes already had 2 season ending injuries in 2 years.
LMAO

BigMeatballDave
11-11-2010, 12:19 PM
I'm sure none of them are chomping at the bit for Matt Cassel since hes locked into a long contract with the Chiefs as of this moment. But if the Chiefs decided to cut Cassel you would be a fool to think none of them would take a look at him for QB.

The one exception I would give are the Lions. It may be too early to make a decision on Stafford but hes already had 2 season ending injuries in 2 years.WTF would they look at Cassel? Shawn Hill is better than Matt Cassel.

jd1020
11-11-2010, 12:24 PM
Hill is 30 years old. 9 TD's with 7 INT's. Averaging 6 yards a pass. And has a rating 10 points lower than Cassel. He even has 500 less passing attempts than Cassel in 3 more seasons. So much better.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 08:48 AM
Kolb is better than Cassel. And its not even close.

It may be true. But I say if we want to improve on Cassel, let's try to get our potential Super Bowl winner. I doub Kolbt is that kind of QB. Replacing a mediocre QB with a slightly less mediocre one has to stop here if we have Super Bowl aspirations.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 08:51 AM
Kolb was good enough that Reid dumped a HOF QB this offseason.

Reid is smart. He knew McNabb's quality days were numbered and got value for him when he could. Reid would not ever have dumped him for Kolb if he were younger.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 08:57 AM
Going after Kolb is another definition of retardation. He's slightly better than Cassel and the Eagles will not let him for less than a second rounder.

Yep.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 09:01 AM
Panthers? Bills? Cardinals? Seahawks? 49ers? Possibly the Dolphins, seems they arent sold on Henne. Bears? Lions, can Stafford stay healthy? There arent enough QB's in the draft for all of these teams to pick.

Stafford's back up was doing a good job, wasn't he?

Frankie
11-12-2010, 09:03 AM
.... the Bills will draft a QB, ...

I dunno. That FitzPatrick dude looks like a little polish away from becoming a poor man's Brett Favre.

Brock
11-12-2010, 09:12 AM
I dunno. That FitzPatrick dude looks like a little polish away from becoming a poor man's Brett Favre.

When you have the overall number one pick, you don't have to settle for a poor man's anything.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 09:15 AM
When you have the overall number one pick, you don't have to settle for a poor man's anything.

True. If Luck comes out, they would be stupid not to pick him.

milkman
11-12-2010, 09:23 AM
It may be true. But I say if we want to improve on Cassel, let's try to get our potential Super Bowl winner. I doub Kolbt is that kind of QB. Replacing a mediocre QB with a slightly less mediocre one has to stop here if we have Super Bowl aspirations.

Kolb is a pocket passer.

He needs to be protected to be effective.

Michael Vick has the mobility and escapability that Kolb lacks, and he has finally started to evolve into an NFL quality QB, not just a great athlete playing the QB position.

But, when you look at SB winners, every QB that has won a SB has been a pocket QB.

Some have had the ability to scramble whne plays break down, but everyone was still a pocket QB first.

Steve Young didn't win the SB until he finally learned to be a pocket QB first.

The Eagles O-Line is pretty bad, so Vick is more productive.

But, if you gave Kolb the kind of protection that Cassel has had this season, he'd be leading this team to wins, not simply riding this team's run game and defense.

Kolb, with protection, would be a very good QB.

Count Zarth
11-12-2010, 09:26 AM
Kolb is a pocket passer.

He needs to be protected to be effective.

Michael Vick has the mobility and escapability that Kolb lacks, and he has finally started to evolve into an NFL quality QB, not just a great athlete playing the QB position.

But, when you look at SB winners, every QB that has won a SB has been a pocket QB.

Some have had the ability to scramble whne plays break down, but everyone was still a pocket QB first.

Steve Young didn't win the SB until he finally learned to be a pocket QB first.

The Eagles O-Line is pretty bad, so Vick is more productive.

But, if you gave Kolb the kind of protection that Cassel has had this season, he'd be leading this team to wins, not simply riding this team's run game and defense.

Kolb, with protection, would be a very good QB.

That's it, milkman has passed judgment.

I'm officially driving the Kolb bandwagon. If he's on the trading block this offseason and the Chiefs don't pursue, PIOLI SUCKS!

milkman
11-12-2010, 09:37 AM
That's it, milkman has passed judgment.

I'm officially driving the Kolb bandwagon. If he's on the trading block this offseason and the Chiefs don't pursue, PIOLI SUCKS!

Officially, I still like Stepon McGee better.

Frankie
11-12-2010, 09:41 AM
Kolb is a pocket passer.

He needs to be protected to be effective.

Michael Vick has the mobility and escapability that Kolb lacks, and he has finally started to evolve into an NFL quality QB, not just a great athlete playing the QB position.

But, when you look at SB winners, every QB that has won a SB has been a pocket QB.

Some have had the ability to scramble whne plays break down, but everyone was still a pocket QB first.

Steve Young didn't win the SB until he finally learned to be a pocket QB first.

The Eagles O-Line is pretty bad, so Vick is more productive.

But, if you gave Kolb the kind of protection that Cassel has had this season, he'd be leading this team to wins, not simply riding this team's run game and defense.

Kolb, with protection, would be a very good QB.

Noted. Thanks.

BigMeatballDave
11-12-2010, 09:43 AM
That's it, milkman has passed judgment.

I'm officially driving the Kolb bandwagon. If he's on the trading block this offseason and the Chiefs don't pursue, PIOLI SUCKS!Cassel gets a 3rd season.