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BossChief
09-26-2010, 10:13 PM
Is he the elephant in the room?

I think the guy deserves credit for his play in the last 6 quarters of play as much as he deserved to be slammed for damn near every quarter before that.

Good game today, Matt.

KC Tattoo
09-26-2010, 10:14 PM
He didn't suck as bad today, I'l give him that. :D

CaliforniaChief
09-26-2010, 10:16 PM
Credit goes where it's due. Hopefully it's a trend. If it is, we could be a pretty good football team.

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:16 PM
Good game Matty

milkman
09-26-2010, 10:16 PM
This wasn't a good game by Cassel so much as a great game by the receivers.

However, this is the kind of game that could be the spark that raises Cassel's level of play moving forward.

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09-26-2010, 10:19 PM
He played a good game. He was pretty solid. However I'd be hard pressed to point to a great play and say "that was all Cassel. During the other two games I think I could point to bad plays and say that. I would like to do the former more often than the latter.

Hug it Out Dan
09-26-2010, 10:19 PM
Now his td/int ratio is back to 1:1

I say clean slate, start from here. hopefully he can improve........hopefully.

the QB play is the diff from us sucking to being competitive. But we're 3-0, and Cassel had a lot to do w/ our win today. he didn't stink up the joint, I hope he takes this game and builds on it. IMO he's still in the doghouse.

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 10:20 PM
Hopefully, like Milkman said, this game can raise his confidence. But don't get it twisted - Matt did not play well today.

Rany had a tweet today to the effect of praising Cassel's effort today is like praising Yuniesky Betancourt for playing well after he has one error-free, 3-hit game.

L.A. Chieffan
09-26-2010, 10:21 PM
Lets not get too carried away. Did he shit his pants? No.

Did his receivers make him look good? Yes.

KC Tattoo
09-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Did the Bears go to the Super Bowl becouse of Rex Grossman or despite him?

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Rany had a tweet today to the effect of praising Cassel's effort today is like praising Yuniesky Betancourt for playing well after he has one error-free, 3-hit game.

Correct me if I am wrong but would'nt going 3/4 or 3/5 be a good game in MLB?

Brock
09-26-2010, 10:26 PM
Grudging props.

Goldmember
09-26-2010, 10:26 PM
The Muslim extremists just issued a fatwa on your head

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09-26-2010, 10:27 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but would'nt going 3/4 or 3/5 be a good game in MLB?

I think the comment is meant to be taken with the context that it's 1 game out of 162.

kysirsoze
09-26-2010, 10:28 PM
Lets not get too carried away. Did he shit his pants? No.

Did his receivers make him look good? Yes.

This is true, but he also made a couple really good throws. For instance I thought the Moeaki throw was great. A MUCH better catch but still a great throw. He put it in right over the coverage where Tony could make a play on it. Can't ask for much more than that.

I still don't think he's the answer, but I feel a lot better about him taking the snaps than I did yesterday.

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:28 PM
I think the comment is meant to be taken with the context that it's 1 game out of 162.

Oh I thought this was a 'good game Matt' thread and not a 'good season Matt' thread...

My bad

"Bob" Dobbs
09-26-2010, 10:28 PM
Was it my imagination, or did the TV guys actually compare Cassel to John Elway?

kysirsoze
09-26-2010, 10:29 PM
Was it my imagination, or did the TV guys actually compare Cassel to John Elway?

That was the TV guys imagination.

jAZ
09-26-2010, 10:30 PM
I think the guy deserves credit for his play in the last 6 quarters of play

140.97 QB rating in the last 6 quarters.

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 10:30 PM
I think the comment is meant to be taken with the context that it's 1 game out of 162.
Si.
Oh I thought this was a 'good game Matt' thread and not a 'good season Matt' thread...

My bad
Neither. Though "Average-ish game in which you were bailed out by your receivers a lot, Matt" thread would be pretty accurate.

KC Tattoo
09-26-2010, 10:30 PM
Was it my imagination, or did the TV guys actually compare Cassel to John Elway?

God I hate the number 7:#:fire:

teedubya
09-26-2010, 10:31 PM
I'm curious as to what his qb rating would be if you took the second half of both the Browns game and the 49ers game. He has played lights out in the second half of each game.

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:33 PM
Si.

Neither. Though "Average-ish game in which you were bailed out by your receivers a lot, Matt" thread would be pretty accurate.

3 Td's and a 100+ Qb rating I would say is above average.....

I think it was good enough to deserve a 'good game Matt.'

You don't?

BossChief
09-26-2010, 10:33 PM
I have hated the acquisition since before day one, but I just want to give credit where its due.

Matt Cassel played a good game today, no real way around it.

The receivers stepping up is something that needed to happen all along, Cassel put the players in position to succeed and made some good throws...not great play, but pretty good.

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09-26-2010, 10:33 PM
Oh I thought this was a 'good game Matt' thread and not a 'good season Matt' thread...

My bad

No problem

BossChief
09-26-2010, 10:37 PM
Si.

Neither. Though "Average-ish game in which you were bailed out by your receivers a lot, Matt" thread would be pretty accurate.

Well, to be fair (and dont take this as me comparing the players, Im not) if Peyton Manning doesn't get that kind of play from his receivers, he doesn't look as good either.

The receivers stepping up has been needed for some time now...

It was a good game, give the guy credit. Hopefully, the premier coaching he is getting is gonna continue to make a big difference.

Also to note, he had almost all of his yards by the end of the third quarter...250+ yards and 3 touchdown passes.

Goldmember
09-26-2010, 10:39 PM
I have hated the acquisition since before day one, but I just want to give credit where its due.

Matt Cassel played a good game today, no real way around it.

The receivers stepping up is something that needed to happen all along, Cassel put the players in position to succeed and made some good throws...not great play, but pretty good.

I agree, there are worse QBs in the NFL. I still think the receiving corp needs to be upgraded with a true #1 WR

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 10:39 PM
3 Td's and a 100+ Qb rating I would say is above average.....

I think it was good enough to deserve a 'good game Matt.'

You don't?
If I saw Cassel around the corner then I'd tell him he had a good game. I want him to feel good about his play today.

But my eyes saw a QB performance that was probably above average but nothing greater than that. He did his usual boneheaded-ass sort of thing for most of the game. He was inaccurate as usual. An improvement for sure - something to build on, hopefully.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 10:40 PM
Well, to be fair (and dont take this as me comparing the players, Im not) if Peyton Manning doesn't get that kind of play from his receivers, he doesn't look as good either.


If Matt Cassel had to throw to Indy's receivers, he'd be benched forever after four games.

Maybe less.

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 10:40 PM
Well, to be fair (and dont take this as me comparing the players, Im not) if Peyton Manning doesn't get that kind of play from his receivers, he doesn't look as good either.

The receivers stepping up has been needed for some time now...

It was a good game, give the guy credit. Hopefully, the premier coaching he is getting is gonna continue to make a big difference.

Also to note, he had almost all of his years by the end of the third quarter...250+ yards and 3 touchdown passes.
I watched Peyton throw beautiful, perfect pass after beautiful, perfect pass today. Peyton would look fine with anyone lined up at WR with the catchable balls he throws.

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:40 PM
But my eyes saw a QB performance that was probably above average but nothing greater than that.

I don't like semantic debates but isn't "above average" the same as "good" ?

It's close enough in my mind that it isn't worth arguing about, so I will agree with you.

Count Zarth
09-26-2010, 10:40 PM
That Elway thing was kinda dumb.

Lots of quarterbacks pat the ball.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 10:41 PM
And for the record, I don't attribute Cassel's "turnaround" these past six quarters to anything other than Charlie Weis.

Weis is becoming more and more familiar with Cassel's "skills" with each and every week and IMO, has done a masterful job at limiting his ability to completely fuck up drives.

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 10:42 PM
I don't like semantic debates but isn't "above average" the same as "good" ?

It's close enough in my mind that it isn't worth arguing about, so I will agree with you.
Oh, I guess that would be an important distinction then. Heh. I absolutely don't see "above average" and "good" being the same. On a school grading system, I see above average as equal to a C+/B- and I see good as being a B+/A-. That is a massive difference to me.

DaFace
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
This wasn't a good game by Cassel so much as a great game by the receivers.

However, this is the kind of game that could be the spark that raises Cassel's level of play moving forward.

Well said. Cassel still looked like shit in the first quarter. And a couple of the passes that were huge required major efforts by his receivers. But yeah, when you compare today to the last two weeks, there was an improvement.

Goldmember
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
And for the record, I don't attribute Cassel's "turnaround" these past six quarters to anything other than Charlie Weis.

Weis is becoming more and more familiar with Cassel's "skills" with each and every week and IMO, has done a masterful job at limiting his ability to completely fuck up drives.

Yeah, well Sanchize has a bad complexion

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
And for the record, I don't attribute Cassel's "turnaround" these past six quarters to anything other than Charlie Weis.


Whatever it is, I will take it.

Thig Lyfe
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
He non-sucked just barely enough to allow his receivers a chance to make something happen.

Pawnmower
09-26-2010, 10:45 PM
Oh, I guess that would be an important distinction then. Heh. I absolutely don't see "above average" and "good" being the same. On a school grading system, I see above average as equal to a C+/B- and I see good as being a B+/A-. That is a massive difference to me.

To me B+/A- is 'great'

with A+ being Outstanding or Excellent or 100% or perfect or what not

C+/B is Good to me

But I guess it is pretty subjective....he played 'above average' to you...He played 'good' to me....Pretty much is the same thing...just different words. (Cuz I would say C+/B also)

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 10:49 PM
Weird. I thought Cassel sucked dog nuts today. Horrible timing, misjudged throws. The guy looked bad.

Moeaki (and I'll eat crow on him - if he makes it through the season) and Bowe bailed him out. The fact that Bowe had to wait FOREVER for that pass to get to him was fucking pathetic. Rainbow. And Moeaki's grab was the stuff of legends. Tony who? Tony Fucking Moeaki, that's who.

Nah, Cassel was fucking horrible tonight.

Guru
09-26-2010, 10:50 PM
Was it my imagination, or did the TV guys actually compare Cassel to John Elway?

Yes, they did. I rolled my eyes at that crap.

Bearcat
09-26-2010, 10:54 PM
I watched Peyton throw beautiful, perfect pass after beautiful, perfect pass today. Peyton would look fine with anyone lined up at WR with the catchable balls he throws.

Yep, there was one play where Cassel's throw was behind the receiver and it ended up being the best place to put the ball... and the announcer talked about it like Cassel intentionally put it in that spot, even though he was being pressured at the time and it certainly didn't look like a well-thrown ball.

There's a huge difference, and if you don't appreciate what Manning does outside of "how good his receivers make him look," you're not paying attention. Regardless of what the receivers do, Cassel is more or less trying to get the ball to his receivers. Manning is not just trying to get it there, he is puts the ball at a very specific spot for his receiver.

jAZ
09-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Cassel's QB Rating in various situations:

First 3 Games of 2009: 89.8
First 3 Games of 2010: 75.3

All of 2009: 70.1 (15 games)
All of 2010: 75.3 (3 games)

Top 6 games: 103.8
Mid 10 games: 62.5
Bottom 2 games: 14.5

Wins: 75.0
Losses: 68.4

FWIW... which is not much.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Weird. I thought Cassel sucked dog nuts today. Horrible timing, misjudged throws. The guy looked bad.

Moeaki (and I'll eat crow on him - if he makes it through the season) and Bowe bailed him out. The fact that Bowe had to wait FOREVER for that pass to get to him was fucking pathetic. Rainbow. And Moeaki's grab was the stuff of legends. Tony who? Tony Fucking Moeaki, that's who.

Nah, Cassel was fucking horrible tonight.
See guys, I told you he had a good game.

Bearcat
09-26-2010, 11:00 PM
I'd like to the see the stats for each half, but the few sites I went to haven't updated for today's game... through two games, his QB rating was 37 in the first half and 84 in the second. That won't work against the Colts.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 11:02 PM
Weird. I thought Cassel sucked dog nuts today. Horrible timing, misjudged throws. The guy looked bad.

Moeaki (and I'll eat crow on him - if he makes it through the season) and Bowe bailed him out. The fact that Bowe had to wait FOREVER for that pass to get to him was fucking pathetic. Rainbow. And Moeaki's grab was the stuff of legends. Tony who? Tony Fucking Moeaki, that's who.

Nah, Cassel was fucking horrible tonight.

I'm pretty much in agreement.

When are you going to "eat crow" on the offensive line, particularly Albert and Richardson?

The offensive line dominated one of the best front seven's in recent history.

Coach
09-26-2010, 11:02 PM
Cassel's QB Rating in various situations:

First 3 Games of 2009: 89.8
First 3 Games of 2010: 75.3

All of 2009: 70.1 (15 games)
All of 2010: 75.3 (3 games)

Top 6 games: 103.8
Mid 10 games: 62.5
Bottom 2 games: 14.5

Wins: 75.0
Losses: 68.4

FWIW... which is not much.

Seemed like he is a slow starter, meaning he does very awful in the first half, but somehow or something, the lightbulb goes off after halftime.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:03 PM
Let's get real - Pioli fucked up the 2009 draft like nobody's business. Austin Collie is an immaculate route runner with glue for hands. We could have had him in the fourth, especially considering how horrific our receiving corps was. Put him with Manning and you have the new version of Steve Largent.

Our receiving corps still sucks balls. Bowe has found his niche - it's kicking the shit out of linebackers on 2nd and 7. He's a pure #2 guy. He's huge, and has discovered the joy of blocking. (His anhililation of the 49er's LB on that one play was fucking fantastic.)

We have nobody on the edge to catch a ball. (And I'm not counting McCluster.)

tk13
09-26-2010, 11:04 PM
Cassel's QB Rating in various situations:

First 3 Games of 2009: 89.8
First 3 Games of 2010: 75.3

All of 2009: 70.1 (15 games)
All of 2010: 75.3 (3 games)

Top 6 games: 103.8
Mid 10 games: 62.5
Bottom 2 games: 14.5

Wins: 75.0
Losses: 68.4

FWIW... which is not much.

I posted it in a thread earlier. Cassel's 1st half QB rating this year is in the 50's... his 2nd half QB rating is 116 something. Kind of an absurd difference.

Bearcat
09-26-2010, 11:07 PM
Seemed like he is a slow starter, meaning he does very awful in the first half, but somehow or something, the lightbulb goes off after halftime.

Not in the past couple of season though...

2009
BY HALF CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1st Half 145 246 1341 58.9 5.45 50 4 3 21.0 74.3 24 95 4.0 13 0
2nd Half 121 239 1489 50.6 6.23 54 12 13 21.0 64.3 26 94 3.6 12 0

2008
BY HALF CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1st Half 170 257 1898 66.1 7.39 66 11 5 21.0 94.1 28 177 6.3 19 2
2nd Half 157 259 1795 60.6 6.93 76 10 6 26.0 84.7 45 93 2.1 17 0

I'm sure he won't have a 50 point difference in QB rating between halves all season, but I wonder why it's been a trend so far this season.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:08 PM
I'm pretty much in agreement.

When are you going to "eat crow" on the offensive line, particularly Albert and Richardson?

The offensive line dominated one of the best front seven's in recent history.

No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Weigmann was a godsend. His complete and utter handling of Abreyu was like the Casey of old. (Personally, I have always thought that it was Weigmann that put Waters in the Pro Bowl even more than Big Willie Roaf, and Casey was the most underrated offensive lineman in the NFL during his duration.) Lilja saved the line.

Having Weigmann and Lilja next to each other, and having a rejuvinated Waters (playing next to CW) is enough.

Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.

Weigmann and Waters aren't going to play forever.

jAZ
09-26-2010, 11:09 PM
Seemed like he is a slow starter, meaning he does very awful in the first half, but somehow or something, the lightbulb goes off after halftime.

Alright:

2009, 1st half: 74.3
2009, 2nd half: 64.3

2010, 1st half: 37.1
2010, 2nd half: 83.8

2009, Home: 64.9
2009, Away: 76.4

2010, Home: 68.0
2010, Away: 46.1

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 11:09 PM
No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Weigmann was a godsend. His complete and utter handling of Abreyu was like the Casey of old. (Personally, I have always thought that it was Weigmann that put Waters in the Pro Bowl even more than Big Willie Roaf, and Casey was the most underrated offensive lineman in the NFL during his duration.) Lilja saved the line.

Having Weigmann and Lilja next to each other, and having a rejuvinated Waters (playing next to CW) is enough.

Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.

Weigmann and Waters aren't going to play forever.


You are Comedy Gold, Dude!

LMAO

Comedy Gold.

Coach
09-26-2010, 11:10 PM
Not in the past couple of season though...

2009
BY HALF CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1st Half 145 246 1341 58.9 5.45 50 4 3 21.0 74.3 24 95 4.0 13 0
2nd Half 121 239 1489 50.6 6.23 54 12 13 21.0 64.3 26 94 3.6 12 0

2008
BY HALF CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1st Half 170 257 1898 66.1 7.39 66 11 5 21.0 94.1 28 177 6.3 19 2
2nd Half 157 259 1795 60.6 6.93 76 10 6 26.0 84.7 45 93 2.1 17 0

I'm sure he won't have a 50 point difference in QB rating between halves all season, but I wonder why it's been a trend so far this season.

I'm guessing it has to do more of Weis slowly but surely understanding Cassel's limitations as a QB, and so far, effectively adjusting to play to his strengths and minimize his weakness.

I'm also going to say that the halftime adjustments have come into play here as well. Not only on offense, but defense as well.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 11:10 PM
I posted it in a thread earlier. Cassel's 1st half QB rating this year is in the 50's... his 2nd half QB rating is 116 something. Kind of an absurd difference.

Coaching.



Coaching.



Coaching.

jAZ
09-26-2010, 11:10 PM
I posted it in a thread earlier. Cassel's 1st half QB rating this year is in the 50's... his 2nd half QB rating is 116 something. Kind of an absurd difference.

Not quite so absurd:

2010, 1st half: 37.1
2010, 2nd half: 83.8

Coach
09-26-2010, 11:11 PM
No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Weigmann was a godsend. His complete and utter handling of Abreyu was like the Casey of old. (Personally, I have always thought that it was Weigmann that put Waters in the Pro Bowl even more than Big Willie Roaf, and Casey was the most underrated offensive lineman in the NFL during his duration.) Lilja saved the line.

Having Weigmann and Lilja next to each other, and having a rejuvinated Waters (playing next to CW) is enough.

Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.

Weigmann and Waters aren't going to play forever.

Tackles were not horrible.

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2010, 11:11 PM
Played like shit in the 1st half. Picked it up in the 2nd half. That INT was all on him. He threw it late.

He needs to play better in Indy and Houston. Defense kicked ass and we ran the ball for 200+ yrds. We're still winning in spite of him, not because of him.

I slam him as much as anyone around here does. I hope he proves us wrong, and turns it around.

Coach
09-26-2010, 11:12 PM
Alright:

2009, 1st half: 74.3
2009, 2nd half: 64.3

2010, 1st half: 37.1
2010, 2nd half: 83.8

2009, Home: 64.9
2009, Away: 76.4

2010, Home: 68.0
2010, Away: 46.1

Interesting. Seems like the addition of Weis and some playmakers on this team helps.

I'd still hope that they'll restructure his contract and find a QBOTF.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 11:12 PM
Not quite so absurd:

2010, 1st half: 37.1
2010, 2nd half: 83.8

An AMC Pacer is still better than a Yugo

Brock
09-26-2010, 11:13 PM
Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.


You're turning into a parody of yourself.

jAZ
09-26-2010, 11:14 PM
An AMC Pacer is still better than a Yugo

Quite a bit better. Just not quite Yugo vs BMW.

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2010, 11:14 PM
140.97 QB rating in the last 6 quarters.Thats nice and all, but you have to look beyond the numbers.

KC Tattoo
09-26-2010, 11:15 PM
No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Weigmann was a godsend. His complete and utter handling of Abreyu was like the Casey of old. (Personally, I have always thought that it was Weigmann that put Waters in the Pro Bowl even more than Big Willie Roaf, and Casey was the most underrated offensive lineman in the NFL during his duration.) Lilja saved the line.

Having Weigmann and Lilja next to each other, and having a rejuvinated Waters (playing next to CW) is enough.

Our tackles are ****ing horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.

Weigmann and Waters aren't going to play forever.

Dude, the whole offensive line did good today. Brandon Alberts & Barry Richardson are part of the reason we are a top rushing team.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:15 PM
You are Comedy Gold, Dude!

LMAO

Comedy Gold.

Richardson and Albert sucked tonight. On Tuesday, when I have the whole day, I'll break down the O-line.

I posted before this game that Charles would have a nice game as the Niners were built through the middle and we had guys who could exploit the edge. We did. But it wasn't because of kick ass OT play. It actually might have been because of bad tackle play that we were able to get those big edge runs.

I'll tell you what - this was the last game this year where the Chiefs are going to be able to exploit the guard to tackle gap.

keg in kc
09-26-2010, 11:16 PM
I think this might be the first time I've ever seen someone try to suggest that a team got big edge runs because of bad tackle play.

DaneMcCloud
09-26-2010, 11:18 PM
I think this might be the first time I've ever seen someone try to suggest that a team got big edge runs because of bad tackle play.

Sac just posts for fun.

There's no way he could possibly believe what he's posted tonight.

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2010, 11:21 PM
Well, to be fair (and dont take this as me comparing the players, Im not) if Peyton Manning doesn't get that kind of play from his receivers, he doesn't look as good either.

Nonsense. While Manning does have some good receivers to throw too, he does usually put the ball where they can do something with it. Rarely does Manning hang his receivers out to dry. Cassel cannot place a ball like this for shit. You saw that great catch by Moeaki, right?

KC Tattoo
09-26-2010, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=Saccopoo;7042473]Richardson and Albert sucked tonight. On Tuesday, when I have the whole day, I'll break down the O-line.

Your gonna have to be pretty nit picky about it. Why don't you break down the wild cat flea flicker play, I want to see that play again. It was a thing of beauty.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:25 PM
No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.


I dont even believe that you even watched the game, at all, if this is the conclusion you have come to.

How many times has Cassel been sacked this year?

Whats our rushing average?

How many rushing yards did we just exploit one of the better NFL front 7s for today?

We have given up 2 sacks in 3 games and are the #1 rushing team in the NFL...your OL evaluation = FAIL

:facepalm:

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:27 PM
[QUOTE=Saccopoo;7042473]Richardson and Albert sucked tonight. On Tuesday, when I have the whole day, I'll break down the O-line.

Your gonna have to be pretty nit picky about it. Why don't you break down the wild cat flea flicker play, I want to see that play again. It was a thing of beauty.

Sure it was. Up until Cassel floated the ball like a fucking zeppelin and Bowe was dragging feet waiting for it to come down and almost had the defender get there to fight for the ball.

Brilliant play call.

Suck goat nuts pass.

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2010, 11:28 PM
No they didn't. There were several times that Albert completely wiffed on his guy but Charles was already passed him, so it was irrelevant.

Weigmann was a godsend. His complete and utter handling of Abreyu was like the Casey of old. (Personally, I have always thought that it was Weigmann that put Waters in the Pro Bowl even more than Big Willie Roaf, and Casey was the most underrated offensive lineman in the NFL during his duration.) Lilja saved the line.

Having Weigmann and Lilja next to each other, and having a rejuvinated Waters (playing next to CW) is enough.

Our tackles are fucking horrible. They were horrible tonight. Seriously.

Weigmann and Waters aren't going to play forever.LMAO

Either you're trying to be funny, or you're a fucking moron.....

...I'm going with the latter...

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:30 PM
I dont even believe that you even watched the game, at all, if this is the conclusion you have come to.

How many times has Cassel been sacked this year?

Whats our rushing average?

How many rushing yards did we just exploit one of the better NFL front 7s for today?

:facepalm:

That's fine.

Jerk yourself silly because we've got excellent running backs that are being utilized properly.

As well, we've got very good interior line play. Weigmann and Lilja have been excellent so far, and Weigmann tonight simply owned Abreyu. People bitch about Casey's "lack of weight and size" but he manhandled one of the better 3-4 NT's tonight.

But our tackles weren't good.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:30 PM
ROFL zeppelin indeed...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad5d4a/Flea-flicker-turns-into-thrilling-Chiefs-TD

L.A. Chieffan
09-26-2010, 11:33 PM
jfc saccajizz, give it up already. how tired is this shit?

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:34 PM
That's fine.

Jerk yourself silly because we've got excellent running backs that are being utilized properly.

As well, we've got very good interior line play. Weigmann and Lilja have been excellent so far, and Weigmann tonight simply owned Abreyu. People bitch about Casey's "lack of weight and size" but he manhandled one of the better 3-4 NT's tonight.

But our tackles weren't good.

If our tackles were a problem, in your eyes, why keep bringing up the guards and center...nobody is saying they had a bad game...that would be as disingenuous as saying our tackles had a bad game.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:34 PM
jfc saccajizz, give it up already. how tired is this shit?

Fine. Whatever.

I'll never mention it again.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:36 PM
If our tackles were a problem, in your eyes, why keep bringing up the guards and center...nobody is saying they had a bad game...that would be as disingenuous as saying our tackles had a bad game.

Our guards and center had a fantastic game. Dominated, or as close to it as you can get against a top flight run defense like the Niners.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-26-2010, 11:37 PM
As I've said since the schedule came out, Cassel is going to look just good enough that the true fans will think he's the guy. He'll get another year and the cycle of purgatory will continue.

3 TDs (all the product of great playcalling, blocking, or individual plays) aside, he's not fucking good enough.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:37 PM
Fine. Whatever.

I'll never mention it again.

if it was valid, you would find that you have plenty of people that agree with you, we all watched the same game (if you did in fact watch it) after all.

Trouble is, what you "saw" was different than what everyone else did.

I dont believe you in that you wont mention it again either.

Goldmember
09-26-2010, 11:41 PM
As I've said since the schedule came out, Cassel is going to look just good enough that the true fans will think he's the guy. He'll get another year and the cycle of purgatory will continue.

3 TDs (all the product of great playcalling, blocking, or individual plays) aside, he's not fucking good enough.

Well, at this rate, the Chiefs won't be drafting high enough to draft a franchise QB unless they get lucky and find a Tom Brady in a later round.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:41 PM
As I've said since the schedule came out, Cassel is going to look just good enough that the true fans will think he's the guy. He'll get another year and the cycle of purgatory will continue.

3 TDs (all the product of great playcalling, blocking, or individual plays) aside, he's not fucking good enough.

I don't think anybody is saying he is anywhere close to being "there"...just that I saw noticeable improvement and that's a good start.

I see him as a guy that can develop into a competent backup for us at this point, but I am not closing the door on him possibly being more if Weis can work his magic over the course of the season.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:43 PM
Well, at this rate, the Chiefs won't be drafting high enough to draft a franchise QB unless they get lucky and find a Tom Brady in a later round.

which is exactly why Clausen would have been a perfect selection.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:49 PM
if it was valid, you would find that you have plenty of people that agree with you, we all watched the same game (if you did in fact watch it) after all.

Trouble is, what you "saw" was different than what everyone else did.

I dont believe you in that you wont mention it again either.

It's okay to bitch about QB play. It's great to bitch about who's the starting running back, especially when it's irrelevant.

But holy baby jesus! Just mention offensive line play and this place comes fucking unglued. Don't draft O-line! Fuck that position! Our line is doing great!

Whatever.

Like I said, I'm never mentioning that specific position again, because, as a whole, it's apparent that you are all just fine and dandy with it.

When Weigmann decides to go bye-bye, and you all get happy feelings about those two years when he wasn't here and recall how super the line play was then, then so be it. I'll let someone else bitch about how good it is.

Saccopoo
09-26-2010, 11:50 PM
which is exactly why Clausen would have been a perfect selection.

What? With our second, second round selection? After the rest of the NFL decided to pass on him...twice?

L.A. Chieffan
09-26-2010, 11:52 PM
Weigmanns eventual retirement has nothing to with the rest of the line. Just fucking admit it. You wanted Okung and all you did was talk shit about Albert. Admit it, you were wrong. Say it. Say it, yea yea yea, you me we're the same you and me. The same... yeah yeah

BigMeatballDave
09-26-2010, 11:54 PM
It's okay to bitch about QB play. It's great to bitch about who's the starting running back, especially when it's irrelevant.

But holy baby jesus! Just mention offensive line play and this place comes fucking unglued. Don't draft O-line! Fuck that position! Our line is doing great!

Whatever.

Like I said, I'm never mentioning that specific position again, because, as a whole, it's apparent that you are all just fine and dandy with it.

When Weigmann decides to go bye-bye, and you all get happy feelings about those two years when he wasn't here and recall how super the line play was then, then so be it. I'll let someone else bitch about how good it is.You are straight up fucking stupid. Did you even watch the game? Did you even notice that most of the Chiefs success running the ball today was off tackle?

</post>
09-26-2010, 11:55 PM
I see him as a guy that can develop into a competent backup for us at this point, but I am not closing the door on him possibly being more if Weis can work his magic over the course of the season.

I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the contract. That basically demands it to be Franchise Quarterback or bust.

Reaper16
09-26-2010, 11:55 PM
Can Saccopoo even post again if he doesn't mention the O-Line? This seems to be a tall order.

BossChief
09-26-2010, 11:58 PM
It's okay to bitch about QB play. It's great to bitch about who's the starting running back, especially when it's irrelevant.

But holy baby jesus! Just mention offensive line play and this place comes fucking unglued. Don't draft O-line! Fuck that position! Our line is doing great!

Whatever.

Like I said, I'm never mentioning that specific position again, because, as a whole, it's apparent that you are all just fine and dandy with it.

When Weigmann decides to go bye-bye, and you all get happy feelings about those two years when he wasn't here and recall how super the line play was then, then so be it. I'll let someone else bitch about how good it is.

you arent gonna talk about it anymore because you know as well as the rest of this whole board that this has NOTHING to do with Weigman...it has to do with ALBERT and you cant make a decent argument about why we would need to replace him.

Every poster here knows we need to draft a center in the next draft, or sign a vet if Weigman decides to hang em up.

Every poster here also knows it is foolish to even think of drafting a left tackle in the first three rounds for the next 10 drafts, too. (barring injury)

Maybe the other Pouncey brother fits the bill, eh?

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:01 AM
I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the contract. That basically demands it to be Franchise Quarterback or bust.

Contracts like his that have big roster bonuses are often re-structured if they are underperformed.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 12:01 AM
you arent gonna talk about it anymore because you know as well as the rest of this whole board that this has NOTHING to do with Weigman...it has to do with ALBERT and you cant make a decent argument about why we would need to replace him.

Every poster here knows we need to draft a center in the next draft, or sign a vet if Weigman decides to hang em up.

Every poster here also knows it is foolish to even think of drafting a left tackle in the first three rounds for the next 10 drafts, too. (barring injury)

Maybe the other Pouncey brother fits the bill, eh?
Next ten seems a bit excessive.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:05 AM
Next ten seems a bit excessive.

(barring injury)

If you throw out the adjustment games of last year, Albert has played like a damn good left tackle in the NFL and should be here for a long time. I guess in this day and age of the NFL 10 years may be a bit excessive, but I don't think so.

I guess I should have said barring injury and contract disputes.

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 12:10 AM
Every poster here knows we need to draft a center in the next draft, or sign a vet if Weigman decides to hang em up.

It's not "if" Casey decides to hang them up. He's playing in his 15th season. In the NFL. It's not like it's a "I'm going to retire from it when I'm 65." type of occupation. The guy is WAY past his prime. And that's not saying he still doesn't have something left in the tank. He OWGWTFPWNZR!!!eleven!11!!1! Franklin tonight - and that's a hard thing to do.

Casey has always been one of my faves. A buddy of mine is really good friends with him. But that doesn't mean he's going to be still playing in 2019.

Every poster here also knows it is foolish to even think of drafting a left tackle in the first three rounds for the next 10 drafts, too. (barring injury)

Thats true. We got this guy who played guard in college, but drafted him in the first round to play left tackle, a position he never played before, and just thought that you could play it in the NFL because.../Carl Peterson

Maybe the other Pouncey brother fits the bill, eh?

Maybe if you are actually Carl Peterson. Let's draft a three year right guard and project him to center in the NFL. Sounds perfect.

L.A. Chieffan
09-27-2010, 12:12 AM
It's not "if" Casey decides to hang them up. He's playing in his 15th season. In the NFL. It's not like it's a "I'm going to retire from it when I'm 65." type of occupation. The guy is WAY past his prime. And that's not saying he still doesn't have something left in the tank. He OWGWTFPWNZR!!!eleven!11!!1! Franklin tonight - and that's a hard thing to do.

Casey has always been one of my faves. A buddy of mine is really good friends with him. But that doesn't mean he's going to be still playing in 2019.



Thats true. We got this guy who played guard in college, but drafted him in the first round to play left tackle, a position he never played before, and just thought that you could play it in the NFL because.../Carl Peterson



Maybe if you are actually Carl Peterson. Let's draft a three year right guard and project him to center in the NFL. Sounds perfect.

Lame. Youre really losing your burst.

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 12:14 AM
Lame. Youre really losing your burst.

At least I had one.

You? Not so much.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:16 AM
It's not "if" Casey decides to hang them up. He's playing in his 15th season. In the NFL. It's not like it's a "I'm going to retire from it when I'm 65." type of occupation. The guy is WAY past his prime. And that's not saying he still doesn't have something left in the tank. He OWGWTFPWNZR!!!eleven!11!!1! Franklin tonight - and that's a hard thing to do.

Casey has always been one of my faves. A buddy of mine is really good friends with him. But that doesn't mean he's going to be still playing in 2019.



Thats true. We got this guy who played guard in college, but drafted him in the first round to play left tackle, a position he never played before, and just thought that you could play it in the NFL because.../Carl Peterson



Maybe if you are actually Carl Peterson. Let's draft a three year right guard and project him to center in the NFL. Sounds perfect.
welcome to 2010

L.A. Chieffan
09-27-2010, 12:16 AM
At least I had one.

You? Not so much.

Hold on, I have to relate that to a carl peterson draft pick and then pretend that everything else in my post doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Hang on, hang on

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 12:21 AM
Hold on, I have to relate that to a carl peterson draft pick and then pretend that everything else in my post doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Hang on, hang on

The problem is, no one knows who you are. Post something, anything significant, something with some individuality and creative insight, and maybe, just maybe, we'll remember you for something. Right now, you're the guy with 10,000 posts and no one knows who the fuck you are.

Even if you start sucking onto the black, withered tit of Carl Peterson, at least you'd be remembered for something.

L.A. Chieffan
09-27-2010, 12:22 AM
The problem is, no one knows who you are. Post something, anything significant, something with some individuality and creative insight, and maybe, just maybe, we'll remember you for something. Right now, you're the guy with 10,000 posts and no one knows who the fuck you are.

Even if you start sucking onto the black, withered tit of Carl Peterson, at least you'd be remembered for something.

I guess I should just go around posting idiotic shit and be that guy that everybody laughs at behind their backs.

Yeaaaa, thatll be awesome. THEN people will know me!

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 12:31 AM
We don't all laugh at Saccopoo all the time. I enjoy reading his takes, despite (or sometimes because) his takes differ from mine so drastically regarding players like Branden Albert. I value his input most of the time.

A thought just occured to me: didn't the Chiefs basically just beat the San Francisco Saccopoos? I mean, the entire 49'ers starting Offensive Line are high round picks. LT, RT & LG are first round picks and RG & C are 2nd round picks.

L.A. Chieffan
09-27-2010, 12:34 AM
We don't all laugh at Saccopoo all the time. I enjoy reading his takes, despite (or sometimes because) his takes differ from mine so drastically regarding players like Branden Albert. I value his input most of the time.

A thought just occured to me: didn't the Chiefs basically just beat the San Francisco Saccopoos? I mean, the entire 49'ers starting Offensive Line are high round picks. LT, RT & LG are first round picks and RG & C are 2nd round picks.

"Value" as in its good for entertainment purposes?

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 12:42 AM
A thought just occured to me: didn't the Chiefs basically just beat the San Francisco Saccopoos? I mean, the entire 49'ers starting Offensive Line are high round picks. LT, RT & LG are first round picks and RG & C are 2nd round picks.

You should know by now Reaper that I don't give a shit when a guy is drafted. (Belcher for instance.) It's completely about production. If the Chiefs could find a guy that was actually competent at a position, I don't care if he was drafted first or last. It's about production on the field that counts.

I see a talent hole. I see talent. Draft the talent where you need it. That's about it.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:44 AM
You should know by now Reaper that I don't give a shit when a guy is drafted. (Belcher for instance.) It's completely about production. If the Chiefs could find a guy that was actually competent at a position, I don't care if he was drafted first or last. It's about production on the field that counts.

I see a talent hole. I see talent. Draft the talent where you need it. That's about it.
So you agree there is absolutely no need to draft a left tackle any time soon?

Short Leash Hootie
09-27-2010, 12:46 AM
I love how people try to pretend like the Colts just draft these GREAT receivers...

lmao

I could be a successful receiver for the Colts if I listed to Manning and was in the right spot when Manning wanted me to be in that spot...

which is why I've always been such a Manning fan

but hey

what do I know

Carson Palmer is an all-pro!

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 12:49 AM
So you agree there is absolutely no need to draft a left tackle any time soon?

As I stated, I will not be mentioning certain positions. You are free to evaluate said positions as you see fit through the coming years.

It's obvious that you enjoy the quality and talent that we have at certain positions, so I don't think it's necessary to bring up said positions. You are obviously satisfied with said positions, so why even bring said positions up in conversation?

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:49 AM
I love how people try to pretend like the Colts just draft these GREAT receivers...

lmao

I could be a successful receiver for the Colts if I listed to Manning and was in the right spot when Manning wanted me to be in that spot...

which is why I've always been such a Manning fan

but hey

what do I know

Carson Palmer is an all-pro!
Peyton just said to take his cock out of your mouth before you type and you don't even listen to that!

How can he trust you to be where he needs you to be on the field if you cant do that much?

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:53 AM
As I stated, I will not be mentioning certain positions. You are free to evaluate said positions as you see fit through the coming years.

It's obvious that you enjoy the quality and talent that we have at certain positions, so I don't think it's necessary to bring up said positions. You are obviously satisfied with said positions, so why even bring said positions up in conversation?
So, you still think Albert deserves to be replaced?

Really?

Also, who cares what I think? Am I the end all, be all of CP posters? If I am happy with a certain position that means it should end your fun (which, in turn, gives us fun as well) and make you stop your evaluation of said position?

I don't want to take the fun away for you man, continue with your mis-evaluations...please.

Pawnmower
09-27-2010, 12:55 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad5d4a/Flea-flicker-turns-into-thrilling-Chiefs-TD


A link to the flea flicker (almost 60 yards in the air)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad64b4/Oh-my-Moeaki

The Moeaki Catch (33 or so in the air)

BossChief
09-27-2010, 12:59 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad5d4a/Flea-flicker-turns-into-thrilling-Chiefs-TD


A link to the flea flicker (almost 60 yards in the air)

if you are ever gonna fit in around here, you should start by not re-posting shit.

Post #74 in this thread.

thanks for playing

BryanBusby
09-27-2010, 01:03 AM
Cassel didn't exactly a squeaky clean game, but I'll give him the credit where it is due. He started to figure out McCluster isn't 6 foot fucking 8 and gave his receivers a chance to make a play for a change.

The reverse TD pass to Bowe was well placed. Lets just hope Weis doesn't clam his asshole back up and go ultra conservative in Indianapolis 2 weeks from now.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 01:03 AM
I love how people try to pretend like the Colts just draft these GREAT receivers...

lmao

I could be a successful receiver for the Colts if I listed to Manning and was in the right spot when Manning wanted me to be in that spot...

which is why I've always been such a Manning fan

but hey

what do I know

Carson Palmer is an all-pro!
Oh, Hell no. No way. I adore me some Peyton Manning but this is too far. The Colts are an ace franchise when it comes to the draft. They really know how to scout for their specific schemes on both sides of the ball. It is not at all like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon are serviceable guys who are elevated by Peyton to be what they are. Those two guys are quick, have good hands, are adaptable and teachable and disciplined route runners. They fit what the Colts are trying to do.

Pawnmower
09-27-2010, 01:04 AM
if you are ever gonna fit in around here, you should start by not re-posting shit.

Post #74 in this thread.

thanks for playing

I don't really give one shit about your opinion. You can't even take care of your own REAL life and you think I respect your opinions on a forum?

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 01:06 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad5d4a/Flea-flicker-turns-into-thrilling-Chiefs-TD


A link to the flea flicker (almost 60 yards in the air)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81ad64b4/Oh-my-Moeaki

The Moeaki Catch (33 or so in the air)
Those are supposed to be posted in Cassel's benefit? The Moeaki miracle catch is especially damning. I'm glad I got to see Moeaki snag that one, because that catch would only happen once out of a hundred times on a ball overthrown like that.

Short Leash Hootie
09-27-2010, 01:06 AM
Oh, Hell no. No way. I adore me some Peyton Manning but this is too far. The Colts are an ace franchise when it comes to the draft. They really know how to scout for their specific schemes on both sides of the ball. It is not at all like Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon are serviceable guys who are elevated by Peyton to be what they are. Those two guys are quick, have good hands, are adaptable and teachable and disciplined route runners. They fit what the Colts are trying to do.

I bet.

I bet Austin Collie would be a real good #4 WR for KC...or anyone else.

The Colts do draft smart players that listen to Peyton Manning...I'll give them that.

but Collie and Garcon aren't anything special...

Peyton Manning is though.

Pawnmower
09-27-2010, 01:08 AM
Those are supposed to be posted in Cassel's benefit? The Moeaki miracle catch is especially damning.

I disagree. The coverage was very tight, he put the ball toward the back of the end zone where it would either be overthrown or ONLY the receiver would get it. Look at the coverage on that play. It was a smart throw IMO.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 01:09 AM
I don't really give one shit about your opinion. You can't even take care of your own REAL life and you think I respect your opinions on a forum?

Actually, nothing could be further from the truth.....like everything else you post here.

But, yeah, I better go to bed. Hit me with a rep so I can revisit this tomorrow, k.

Dont care if its a neg, I wont hit ya back and make you start a thread about it again.

see ya

Pawnmower
09-27-2010, 01:13 AM
Hit me with a rep so I can revisit this tomorrow, k.
Dont care if its a neg, I wont hit ya back and make you start a thread about it again.



I dont have any rep left or I would...Sorry..I wasn't trying to 'repost' to steal anything from you I was just showing as an example that I think both were great throws..Thats all...

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 01:16 AM
I disagree. The coverage was very tight, he put the ball toward the back of the end zone where it would either be overthrown or ONLY the receiver would get it. Look at the coverage on that play. It was a smart throw IMO.
I would never, ever, ever expect any receiver to be able to catch that pass. It was a miracle of athleticism, sure-handedness and, especially, perfect timing that Moekai even got a finger on that ball. He may never have another catch that spectacular in his entire life. That was a considerable overthrow that Tony got lucky with the timing of his jump on.

BryanBusby
09-27-2010, 01:18 AM
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff51/Kilberg1/Double%20Takes/bGjfANdAGj9t1y81lIVqe3uKo1_500.gif

Short Leash Hootie
09-27-2010, 01:18 AM
I would never, ever, ever expect any receiver to be able to catch that pass. It was a miracle of athleticism, sure-handedness and, especially, perfect timing that Moekai even got a finger on that ball. He may never have another catch that spectacular in his entire life. That was a considerable overthrow that Tony got lucky with the timing of his jump on.

yeah, luck! ROFL

Reaper...you have any varsity letters?

I have a feeling you were a TERRIBLE athlete.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 01:24 AM
yeah, luck! ROFL

Reaper...you have any varsity letters?

I have a feeling you were a TERRIBLE athlete.
I never lettered in athletics, no.

I don't see what the laughter emoticon is for. That catch was fucking phenomenal. It was beyond awesome. Ridiculous, even. If Tony jumps a fraction of a second early or late then the ball doesn't even make contact with his fingertips. Please don't think I was knocking Moeaki's athleticism on that catch. Only an athlete as dynamic as Tony could go full-extension at that height and bring in that ball securely with a single hand. But to say that the timing on his jump wasn't lucky is to say that he could make that same catch in that same circumstance more often that he couldn't. I don't see how anyone could catch that ball with any sort of consistency. It was way overthrown.

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 01:24 AM
I bet.

I bet Austin Collie would be a real good #4 WR for KC...or anyone else.

The Colts do draft smart players that listen to Peyton Manning...I'll give them that.

but Collie and Garcon aren't anything special...

Peyton Manning is though.

You are a fucking tard. Go check Collie's college stats, go watch some of his games, and tell me if he wasn't going to be special.

The Colts stole him in the fourth of the 2009 draft and picked him because he, like Reaper said, has the exact traits that translate to their system.

Saccopoo
09-27-2010, 01:29 AM
I never lettered in athletics, no.

I don't see what the laughter emoticon is for. That catch was ****ing phenomenal. It was beyond awesome. Ridiculous, even. If Tony jumps a fraction of a second early or late then the ball doesn't even make contact with his fingertips. Please don't think I was knocking Moeaki's athleticism on that catch. Only an athlete as dynamic as Tony could go full-extension at that height and bring in that ball securely with a single hand. But to say that the timing on his jump wasn't lucky is to say that he could make that same catch in that same circumstance more often that he couldn't. I don't see how anyone could catch that ball with any sort of consistency. It was way overthrown.

Completely overthrown. And it showed what a healthy Moeaki can do. (I never thought that the guy would ever be healthy enough to ever get down field to get in position to make the catch, let alone make that catch, but he did.) Props to the coaching staff for nursing him along, getting him stronger and making sure he can play on Sundays.

Remember, this was the #1 TE prospect coming out of high school and had all the tools. The guy was just nicked all through college. If he can keep the bug off him through the pros, he's got a chance to be special.

He already blocks a shit ton better than Gonzalez ever did and with that catch tonight, he's shown he can be as good a receiver.

Sky's the limit for this kid in this system.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 01:31 AM
Completely overthrown. And it showed what a healthy Moeaki can do. (I never thought that the guy would ever be healthy enough to ever get down field to get in position to make the catch, let alone make that catch, but he did.) Props to the coaching staff for nursing him along, getting him stronger and making sure he can play on Sundays.

Remember, this was the #1 TE prospect coming out of high school and had all the tools. The guy was just nicked all through college. If he can keep the bug off him through the pros, he's got a chance to be special.

He already blocks a shit ton better than Gonzalez ever did and with that catch tonight, he's shown he can be as good a receiver.

Sky's the limit for this kid in this system.
Absolutely. I didn't expect his blocking to be what it is already. Even if you take away his miracle-catch today he's still the most impressive of the Chiefs rookies so far.

KC Tattoo
09-27-2010, 02:06 AM
Matt Cassel mmmmmm song


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clyde05
09-27-2010, 02:07 AM
props also have to go to our offensive line as cassel has been sacked only twice in 3 games, just trails romo and brady who have 1 each also props to our o-line for the run blocking they have been doing. If our o-line keeps playing like this we wont need to have cassel be a great qb as long as he limits his mistakes, kinda of like dilfer did for baltimore when they won super bowl

RedThat
09-27-2010, 04:49 AM
He's been inconsistent.

Matt Cassel is average. He is not that good, but I don't think he is crap either.

But I do like the fact he is playing well at the right times which is what counts most. I'll give him that. But I just can't understand him? He looks total crap in the first half, and than looks very solid in the second half.

Is he ever going to play a solid game for the full 4 quarters? lol....

*dude is jekyl and hyde

DeezNutz
09-27-2010, 05:40 AM
As I've said since the schedule came out, Cassel is going to look just good enough that the true fans will think he's the guy. He'll get another year and the cycle of purgatory will continue.

3 TDs (all the product of great playcalling, blocking, or individual plays) aside, he's not ****ing good enough.

Bingo.

Currently, week 3 is the bell cow for "what Cassel is capable of," but True Fans won't want to hear this.

DeezNutz
09-27-2010, 05:43 AM
yeah, luck! ROFL

Reaper...you have any varsity letters?

I have a feeling you were a TERRIBLE athlete.

Varsity letters? LMAO. LMAO. Too funny.

High school athletics are a fucking joke. A complete fucking joke. You want to talk varsity athlete in college, and I'll at least give pause, depending upon the school and level.

Chiefshrink
09-27-2010, 06:26 AM
If Matt Cassel had to throw to Indy's receivers, he'd be benched forever after four games.

Maybe less.

Can't believe I am agreeing with you and I am still on the Matt Cassel "wait-n-see" wagon. Bowe is almost overthrown on his TD and Moeaki "IS" overthrown and thank God Moeaki is the second coming of Gonzo on that incredible catch. And there were several other passes that were just waaaay off when he had time.

The question is has Matt Cassel "always" had inaccuracy problems even in NE or has he "become" inaccurate because of his PTSD issue(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) from last yr's "run for your life" O-line in front of him?

I didn't see it in NE so I will go with the "I still don't trust my O-line just yet, will somebody please get my Paxil pill for me please" position.:D

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 06:48 AM
I never lettered in athletics, no.

I don't see what the laughter emoticon is for. That catch was ****ing phenomenal. It was beyond awesome. Ridiculous, even. If Tony jumps a fraction of a second early or late then the ball doesn't even make contact with his fingertips. Please don't think I was knocking Moeaki's athleticism on that catch. Only an athlete as dynamic as Tony could go full-extension at that height and bring in that ball securely with a single hand. But to say that the timing on his jump wasn't lucky is to say that he could make that same catch in that same circumstance more often that he couldn't. I don't see how anyone could catch that ball with any sort of consistency. It was way overthrown.

Cassel put the ball where Moe had a chance and the 49ers didn't. Moe wasn't very open on that play. It wasn't overthrown as much as you make it out to be. He was giving Moe a chance to go up and get it. It was a good throw.

If he gets it down, to where it isn't 'overthrown', it is either knocked down or intercepted.

luv
09-27-2010, 06:53 AM
Cassel put the ball where Moe had a chance and the 49ers didn't. Moe wasn't very open on that play. It wasn't overthrown as much as you make it out to be. He was giving Moe a chance to go up and get it. It was a good throw.

If he gets it down, to where it isn't 'overthrown', it is either knocked down or intercepted.

Cassel was lucky Moeaki caught that.

unlurking
09-27-2010, 06:59 AM
I thought both TD passes were actually pretty good. The flea flicker just for the fact that it actually made it 50+ yards to the correct spot. I didn't think Matt could do that. The pass to Moeaki was a little high, but it also had more zip than I expected from Cassel and was placed away from the defender.

The biggest improvement I saw from Cassel was that he started getting rid of the ball quicker. Yeah, they may have been throw aways, but he avoided sacks. He also stood in the pocket to take a hit after throwing, rather than turtling and trying to twist away.

Rausch
09-27-2010, 07:01 AM
The biggest improvement I saw from Cassel was that he started getting rid of the ball quicker. Yeah, they may have been throw aways, but he avoided sacks.

This.

Don't chuck it up for grabs, don't bounce around with happy feet and take a sack, throw it away.

Trent had to learn this and it looks like Cassel is starting to as well...

suds79
09-27-2010, 07:04 AM
Glad to see Matt bust out finally with a good game. However, I need to see a lot more of it before I'll be convinced that QB isn't the Chiefs biggest need next offseason.

But yesterday was a good start.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:20 AM
First, let me say that I was wrong about this game. I felt like the Chiefs would play conservative in this game, and they opened it up a little. The weakest area of the 9ers is the secondary, but I didn't think the Chiefs would really challenge them. I was wrong.

I didn't really think that the Chiefs would open it up until they got to Houston.

Now, on to the game by Cassel.

The INT was not a poor decision. It was not a bad throw. It was late.

Now, onto the TD's.

The one to McCluster: I keep reading about how it was all on McCluster. McCluster was running into coverage. Cassel threw it to where he could catch it in stride away from the defender. If he has to come back for the ball, or if he has to stop, he doesn't make those moves. Now, in fairness, I would love to see a field level view from his perspective, because I thought he should thrown it a little sooner.

The one for Bowe. I read the criticism of this throw, and I laugh. If you watch the NFL at all, you see that when a WR is that wide open, the QB puts more air underneath it. There is no reason not to. You give your guy the easiest ball to catch. Guys miss open WR's down the field all the time. They either over throw them, or under throw them. Cassel did neither. It wasn't a tough throw. It wasn't some amazing play. But, he threw it the way the coaches would ask him to. Again, the more air the better.

The one for Moeaki. He threw it up and away from the defender. The defender had trail position, he threw it to where the only guy who could make a play on the ball was Moeaki. The Chiefs were up in the game by 11 at that point. They were in field goal range to go up by 14 points. He took a shot in a place that the only thing that could happen was good. It was a smart play.


Three good throws. Three good plays. I love to see everyone picking these apart, it shows the lack of intellectual honesty on this board when it comes to certain players.

Hali has three sacks, and I read that he was 'decent' today. Cassel throws for 250 yards by the end of the third quarter in a blowout with three TD's, and it was everyone around him.... certainly NOT Cassel.

Again, Cassel isn't Peyton Manning. He isn't Drew Brees. But, he isn't awful either. He is just an average starting QB in the NFL. He is what he is. The Chiefs can win with him, but he isn't taking them to the Super Bowl.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 07:20 AM
I'm beginning to think some of you don't know how to watch QB play.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:22 AM
Cassel was lucky Moeaki caught that.

It was 3rd and 5. The Chiefs were up 11. The Chiefs were on the 9ers 18 yard line. Unless they turn the ball over, the Chiefs are going up by two td's. He threw the ball where the only guy that can get it is his guy.

Smart play.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:22 AM
I'm beginning to think some of you don't know how to watch QB play.

Yeah, you're a 'genius'.

Bwana
09-27-2010, 07:27 AM
He looked good yesterday in the 2nd half again. If he can put together full games, like he plays the 2nd half of games, we will be fine. Matt seems to be a slow starter. He still needs to put in some extra reps on his throws. Cassel seems to throw a ball high about half the time. In any event, I think I'll enjoy the 3-0 start for right now. :)

Molitoth
09-27-2010, 07:32 AM
You people looking at numbers are fools. Just watch the guy play and you know that he's not playing well at all. His receivers skewed his numbers today.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:32 AM
I would never, ever, ever expect any receiver to be able to catch that pass. It was a miracle of athleticism, sure-handedness and, especially, perfect timing that Moekai even got a finger on that ball. He may never have another catch that spectacular in his entire life. That was a considerable overthrow that Tony got lucky with the timing of his jump on.

Even using your logic.... it was luck that Moe caught it. Fine. I disagree a little, but fine.

The point isn't the catch, it is the throw. If the throw is down, it is an interception. Even if Moe doesn't catch it..... it is incomplete and the Chiefs kick a field goal and go up 14.

It was a good throw. It gave his guy a chance and no one else. The fact that you can't see the logic behind the throw either shows an agenda against Cassel, or pure ignorance.

Don't let the facts cloud your argument though.

ChiTown
09-27-2010, 07:33 AM
I applaud Mark Castle for not losing us the game(s)?

FAX
09-27-2010, 07:40 AM
I've heard that sometimes, in the afterglow, you can almost feel yourself falling in love with the drunken, barroom slut lying next to you ... that never really happened to me.

Mark Castle looked like ... well, Mark Castle yesterday. His passes were wild (as usual), his delivery was so frigging slow that the safeties had time to tie their shoes before breaking on the ball, and his receivers bailed his ass out multiple times.

I'm not buying the whole "Mark Castle has turned the corner" craziness.

FAX THE STOCKED UP ON MARK CASTLE INSANITY

Tuckdaddy
09-27-2010, 08:01 AM
Matt did not stink today. He took two shots at the end zone and they were both caught for td's. Moeki's td was a good throw and even better catch. I give Matt props for trusting his rook to get the ball.

philfree
09-27-2010, 08:13 AM
I've heard that sometimes, in the afterglow, you can almost feel yourself falling in love with the drunken, barroom slut lying next to you ... that never really happened to me.

Mark Castle looked like ... well, Mark Castle yesterday. His passes were wild (as usual), his delivery was so frigging slow that the safeties had time to tie their shoes before breaking on the ball, and his receivers bailed his ass out multiple times.

I'm not buying the whole "Mark Castle has turned the corner" craziness.

FAX THE STOCKED UP ON MARK CASTLE INSANITY

I'm not sure anyone is saying Matt has turned the corner but he did play better the last six qtrs. One thing he has done is shown the ability to step up after he throws an INT. He didn't go into a shell and he did a good job of running the offense. If Matt Cassel can follow the coachs lead and just improve a little every week he'll be playing at a decent level as the season wears on. He's not going to morph into a super QB but we don't need that to win. We just need some good solid QBing.

-On a side note did we have a single dropped pass against the 9ers? I don't remember one.


PhilFree:arrow:

Delano
09-27-2010, 08:17 AM
He's not going to morph into a super QB but we don't need that to win.

Maybe in the regular season against weak teams.

boogblaster
09-27-2010, 08:30 AM
He's getting better .. but he's no pro-bowler ...

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 08:32 AM
I've heard that sometimes, in the afterglow, you can almost feel yourself falling in love with the drunken, barroom slut lying next to you ... that never really happened to me.

Mark Castle looked like ... well, Mark Castle yesterday. His passes were wild (as usual), his delivery was so frigging slow that the safeties had time to tie their shoes before breaking on the ball, and his receivers bailed his ass out multiple times.

I'm not buying the whole "Mark Castle has turned the corner" craziness.

FAX THE STOCKED UP ON MARK CASTLE INSANITY

Turned the corner would insinuate that he will become a 'great' QB. I think he is better than he is given credit for in here, but still a mid level QB.

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 08:43 AM
Matt did not stink today. He took two shots at the end zone and they were both caught for td's. Moeki's td was a good throw and even better catch. I give Matt props for trusting his rook to get the ball.LMAO How is that a good throw? Do you think Moeaki's catch was routine?

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 08:49 AM
Yeah, you're a 'genius'.Actually, Reaper is right.

Do you think that INT was on Cassel or the WR?

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 08:50 AM
It was 3rd and 5. The Chiefs were up 11. The Chiefs were on the 9ers 18 yard line. Unless they turn the ball over, the Chiefs are going up by two td's. He threw the ball where the only guy that can get it is his guy.

Smart play.:rolleyes: Yes. Smart. That was a nice routine catch by Moeaki.

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 09:08 AM
Even using your logic.... it was luck that Moe caught it. Fine. I disagree a little, but fine.

The point isn't the catch, it is the throw. If the throw is down, it is an interception. Even if Moe doesn't catch it..... it is incomplete and the Chiefs kick a field goal and go up 14.

It was a good throw. It gave his guy a chance and no one else. The fact that you can't see the logic behind the throw either shows an agenda against Cassel, or pure ignorance.

Don't let the facts cloud your argument though.
He didn't give his guy a chance, not really. You are severely underrated the Moeaki catch. It was nearly impossible to achieve. You're right about the intent of the throw: to put it in a spot where it would be a TD or an incomplete pass. Cassel just botched the throw and put it in a spot where no one could get to it. The reason that people are [rightly] freaking out over the Moeaki catch is that Tony, somehow, did get to it. Cassel didn't do anything to help him, though. I can't believe you're pretending that Cassel had touch on that pass.

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 09:19 AM
Even using your logic.... it was luck that Moe caught it. Fine. I disagree a little, but fine.

The point isn't the catch, it is the throw. If the throw is down, it is an interception. Even if Moe doesn't catch it..... it is incomplete and the Chiefs kick a field goal and go up 14.

It was a good throw. It gave his guy a chance and no one else. The fact that you can't see the logic behind the throw either shows an agenda against Cassel, or pure ignorance.

Don't let the facts cloud your argument though.JFC. Look at the screencap where Moeaki gets his hand on the ball. That ball could have been 3 feet lower and it still would have been a very good catch and a good throw. Lucky for Cassel, Moeaki has a nice vertical leap.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2010, 11:54 AM
He's not going to morph into a super QB but we don't need that to win. PhilFree:arrow:

Not in the regular season but you sure damn do in the playoffs and to win the Super Bowl.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-27-2010, 11:58 AM
I don't really give one shit about your opinion. You can't even take care of your own REAL life and you think I respect your opinions on a forum?

Hey, I haven't had an opportunity to welcome you as Chiefsplanet's newest cocksucker. This seems like as good a place as any.

keg in kc
09-27-2010, 12:00 PM
Hey, I haven't had an opportunity to welcome you as Chiefsplanet's newest one who sucks the penis. This seems like as good a place as any.Nothing "new" there.

philfree
09-27-2010, 12:08 PM
Not in the regular season but you sure damn do in the playoffs and to win the Super Bowl.

Is Eli Manning a super QB? As much as it's a "QB Driven League" I think people exagerate what a QB needs to do to win a Championship. Especially if your team has really good D. Regardless of those things Cassel has a long long way to go in improving. He needs to get a little better every week just like the rest of the team.

PhilFree:arrow:

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 12:18 PM
Not in the regular season but you sure damn do in the playoffs and to win the Super Bowl.Well, I'll insert Trent Dilfer here, but I also know that he is the exception to the rule. I'm just saying its possible, but highly unlikely.

Wallcrawler
09-27-2010, 12:56 PM
My issue with the guy is his lack of poise under pressure, and the ultra conservative mindset he seems to have.

End of the half, Chiefs have the ball at the niners 20. He takes the snap and half a second later he hurls the ball out of the endzone. WTF.

Then they have 7 seconds left, obviously offense is out there to take another shot at the endzone, and again almost immediately he throws the ball out, this time on a 4 yard out.

It seems like a total waste of a play, and foolishly jeopardizing your field goal attempt. If you want to risk 3 points to try to get 6-7, I can see that. But running a play with 7 seconds just to checkdown?


It seems he plays to not make a mistake. Little bullshit passes here and there. I dont know if its coaches telling him not to risk it, his lack of confidence in himself not to turn it over, or his not having faith in the receiver to make the play in the first place.


Hopefully this game boosts his confidence in a few areas so that the passing game can open up more.

philfree
09-27-2010, 01:02 PM
My issue with the guy is his lack of poise under pressure, and the ultra conservative mindset he seems to have.

End of the half, Chiefs have the ball at the niners 20. He takes the snap and half a second later he hurls the ball out of the endzone. WTF.

Then they have 7 seconds left, obviously offense is out there to take another shot at the endzone, and again almost immediately he throws the ball out, this time on a 4 yard out.

It seems like a total waste of a play, and foolishly jeopardizing your field goal attempt. If you want to risk 3 points to try to get 6-7, I can see that. But running a play with 7 seconds just to checkdown?


It seems he plays to not make a mistake. Little bullshit passes here and there. I dont know if its coaches telling him not to risk it, his lack of confidence in himself not to turn it over, or his not having faith in the receiver to make the play in the first place.


Hopefully this game boosts his confidence in a few areas so that the passing game can open up more.

So you're talking about the 2 minute drill he ran at the end of the half to get us a field goal? shortly after he threw an INT? Sounds like a total choke job to me.

PhilFree:arrow:

Coogs
09-27-2010, 01:14 PM
It was 3rd and 5. The Chiefs were up 11. The Chiefs were on the 9ers 18 yard line. Unless they turn the ball over, the Chiefs are going up by two td's. He threw the ball where the only guy that can get it is his guy.

Smart play.

Not a huge deal, but we were up by 14. Score was 17-3. FG would have put us up by 3 scores. I was pleasently shocked to see us gamble and go for the TD.

Coogs
09-27-2010, 01:16 PM
My issue with the guy is his lack of poise under pressure, and the ultra conservative mindset he seems to have.

End of the half, Chiefs have the ball at the niners 20. He takes the snap and half a second later he hurls the ball out of the endzone. WTF.

Then they have 7 seconds left, obviously offense is out there to take another shot at the endzone, and again almost immediately he throws the ball out, this time on a 4 yard out.

It seems like a total waste of a play, and foolishly jeopardizing your field goal attempt. If you want to risk 3 points to try to get 6-7, I can see that. But running a play with 7 seconds just to checkdown?


It seems he plays to not make a mistake. Little bullshit passes here and there. I dont know if its coaches telling him not to risk it, his lack of confidence in himself not to turn it over, or his not having faith in the receiver to make the play in the first place.


Hopefully this game boosts his confidence in a few areas so that the passing game can open up more.

I thought is was a smart play. FG kicker had just missed a couple of minutes earlier. Get him a little closer. And I am glad they did, as Succop damn near missed on that one as well. Those 5 yards may have been the difference between going into the locker room demoralized.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-27-2010, 01:20 PM
Only Chiefs fans could bitch at Bowe for not catching that sideline pass while on a slip n' slide on MNF and act as though what Moeaki did was anything other than extraordinary.

That was a poor pass. It just so happens that his receiver made an ungodly play on the ball. That's what kept Thigpen from tossing 25 picks in 2008.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-27-2010, 01:32 PM
He's steadily, if incrementally improving. If he can continue and not regress, we could make a legit run this year.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 05:26 PM
Completely overthrown. And it showed what a healthy Moeaki can do. (I never thought that the guy would ever be healthy enough to ever get down field to get in position to make the catch, let alone make that catch, but he did.) Props to the coaching staff for nursing him along, getting him stronger and making sure he can play on Sundays.

Remember, this was the #1 TE prospect coming out of high school and had all the tools. The guy was just nicked all through college. If he can keep the bug off him through the pros, he's got a chance to be special.

He already blocks a shit ton better than Gonzalez ever did and with that catch tonight, he's shown he can be as good a receiver.

Sky's the limit for this kid in this system.
Im glad you are finally coming along...
Hey, I haven't had an opportunity to welcome you as Chiefsplanet's newest cocksucker. This seems like as good a place as any.
Pawnmower is the new BusterHymen, but even more worthless.

Pioli Zombie
09-27-2010, 05:34 PM
"There are 40 qbs in the NFL better". - Milkman

BossChief
09-27-2010, 05:50 PM
"There are 40 qbs in the NFL better". - Milkman

Actually, Milkman has been as spot on with his evaluation of Cassel as he was with his evaluation of Albert last year.

You, on the other hand....not so much.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:00 PM
He didn't give his guy a chance, not really. You are severely underrated the Moeaki catch. It was nearly impossible to achieve. You're right about the intent of the throw: to put it in a spot where it would be a TD or an incomplete pass. Cassel just botched the throw and put it in a spot where no one could get to it. The reason that people are [rightly] freaking out over the Moeaki catch is that Tony, somehow, did get to it. Cassel didn't do anything to help him, though. I can't believe you're pretending that Cassel had touch on that pass.

The fact that you don't realize that pass isn't one that you use 'touch' on.... shows how little you really know.

Again, you throw it high and hard so that the ONLY guy that can get it is Moe. Sorry you fail to grasp it.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 07:00 PM
JFC. Look at the screencap where Moeaki gets his hand on the ball. That ball could have been 3 feet lower and it still would have been a very good catch and a good throw. Lucky for Cassel, Moeaki has a nice vertical leap.

Yeah, Cassel doesn't know what Moeaki is capable of.

Pioli Zombie
09-27-2010, 07:07 PM
I would still like to know who the 40 qbs are that are better.

DeezNutz
09-27-2010, 07:10 PM
Yeah, Cassel doesn't know what Moeaki is capable of.

LMAO.

BigMeatballDave
09-27-2010, 07:18 PM
"There are 40 qbs in the NFL better". - MilkmanI know this is hyperbole, but its not too far off from the truth.

DeezNutz
09-27-2010, 07:22 PM
I know this is hyperbole, but its not too far off from the truth.

Bit low, actually. The actual number was 43.

BossChief
09-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Yeah, Cassel doesn't know what Moeaki is capable of.

I wish you would stop posting for two reasons:

1) your takes suck

2) Im tired of seeing a mans bare ass every time you post

SenselessChiefsFan
09-27-2010, 08:55 PM
I wish you would stop posting for two reasons:

1) your takes suck

2) Im tired of seeing a mans bare ass every time you post

1) You are entitled to your opinion.

2) I was very tired of that Avatar as well.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-27-2010, 08:57 PM
I wish you would stop posting for two reasons:

1) your takes suck

2) Im tired of seeing a mans bare ass every time you post

ROFL

Reaper16
09-27-2010, 09:26 PM
The fact that you don't realize that pass isn't one that you use 'touch' on.... shows how little you really know.

Again, you throw it high and hard so that the ONLY guy that can get it is Moe. Sorry you fail to grasp it.
It is so frustrating to talk to people who are very wrong and indignant about it. You're right about the intent of the pass, that in that situation you throw it so that only Moeaki can get to it. Cassel did not throw it like that. He threw it to where nobody could be expected to get to it because he is not good at throwing a football.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-27-2010, 09:31 PM
It is so frustrating to talk to people who are very wrong and indignant about it. You're right about the intent of the pass, that in that situation you throw it so that only Moeaki can get to it. Cassel did not throw it like that. He threw it to where nobody could be expected to get to it because he is not good at throwing a football.

Moeaki>>>>Cassel.

Brock
09-27-2010, 09:37 PM
"There are 40 qbs in the NFL better". - Milkman

Are you back to having Cassel's nuts on your chin?

milkman
09-28-2010, 04:49 AM
It is so frustrating to talk to people who are very wrong and indignant about it. You're right about the intent of the pass, that in that situation you throw it so that only Moeaki can get to it. Cassel did not throw it like that. He threw it to where nobody could be expected to get to it because he is not good at throwing a football.

At the end of the day, that pass might very well be the best one we've seen from Cassel as a Chief.

Was to high and hard to reasonably expect, or even hope, that Moeaki could make that catch.

Yes, absolutely.

But that ball had far more zip on it than any pass that Cassel has thrown as a Chief.

Combine that with a bit of accuracy, and we might well be able to win some games.

The fact that these guys made some plays for him should give him some confidence as the season moves on.

NewChief
09-28-2010, 05:23 AM
The irony is that most highlight catches are the result of either a bad throw or a bad route. If the route and throw are perfect, then the catch is easy to make. To pretend that Cassell put that ball right where he wanted to is just ridiculous. 9 times out of 10, Moeaki misses that ball. It was a thing of beauty, but to pretend that was the way it was written up or intended to go down and is a credit to Cassell's brilliance is just silly.

Same thing on the flea flicker... that was damned near an incomplete because he nearly ran him out of the end zone.

Shogun
09-28-2010, 05:31 AM
The irony is that most highlight catches are the result of either a bad throw or a bad route. If the route and throw are perfect, then the catch is easy to make. To pretend that Cassell put that ball right where he wanted to is just ridiculous. 9 times out of 10, Moeaki misses that ball. It was a thing of beauty, but to pretend that was the way it was written up or intended to go down and is a credit to Cassell's brilliance is just silly.

Same thing on the flea flicker... that was damned near an incomplete because he nearly ran him out of the end zone.

Very well put

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 05:41 AM
The irony is that most highlight catches are the result of either a bad throw or a bad route. If the route and throw are perfect, then the catch is easy to make. To pretend that Cassell put that ball right where he wanted to is just ridiculous. 9 times out of 10, Moeaki misses that ball. It was a thing of beauty, but to pretend that was the way it was written up or intended to go down and is a credit to Cassell's brilliance is just silly.

Same thing on the flea flicker... that was damned near an incomplete because he nearly ran him out of the end zone.

#1) Moeaki was the only person who had a play on the ball. I was wrong about the situation earlier and being up 11. But, the Chiefs could still tack on another 3 points and were in the red zone. Cassel was not going to take a chance on getting a turnover. I am not saying that it wasn't a great catch. In the NFL, there are going to be a lot of 'covered' guys. QB's have to take calculated risks. I just don't think it was as bad of a throw as some want to make it out to be.

#2) Guys miss deep all the time. Bowe was wide open. Cassel just made sure to put enough air underneath it to make the ball as easy to catch for Bowe as possible. The ball came down pretty close to the middle of the end zone. It wasn't like Bowe had to drag his feet.

I think we are just so used to him playing poorly we have to rationalize a good game as he got 'lucky'.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 05:43 AM
It is so frustrating to talk to people who are very wrong and indignant about it.

Tell me about it.

unlurking
09-28-2010, 05:48 AM
At the end of the day, that pass might very well be the best one we've seen from Cassel as a Chief.

Was to high and hard to reasonably expect, or even hope, that Moeaki could make that catch.

Yes, absolutely.

But that ball had far more zip on it than any pass that Cassel has thrown as a Chief.

Combine that with a bit of accuracy, and we might well be able to win some games.

The fact that these guys made some plays for him should give him some confidence as the season moves on.
This.

I don't think I've seen anyone say it was a great pass. It just happens to be an improvement over what we normally see from Cassel (and the offense in general).

Hell, look at the play overall. It was a great play call. Up by 14, in the red zone, third down. The only thing that could screw up the outcome would be an under-thrown ball for an interception.

What?!?!?!? It was caught?!?!? Holy fuck, what a great catch!!! Wait a minute, does that mean the throw wasn't 10 feet over the receivers head?!?!?!? OMG, did our QB just get it in the same zip code as the receiver?! ...and it wasn't a fluttering puff throw?!?!?!

WTF?!?!

Maybe some of us are overreacting, but if you think about it, this really is an improvement for Cassel (and the offensive play calling). Yes the pass should have been 6-12" lower, but for Cassel, this was a good throw. Yes I'd like a better QB, but facts are we don't have one and likely won't get one anytime soon. Best we can hope for is improvement. I didn't know if that was possible prior to this game.

Anyway, I think some of us are just happy to see evidence that Cassel can actually improve enough to be a "game manager". At this point, every little bit helps.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 05:50 AM
You're right about the intent of the pass, that in that situation you throw it so that only Moeaki can get to it. Cassel did not throw it like that. He threw it to where nobody could be expected to get to it because he is not good at throwing a football.

To diminish the individual effort of Moeaki is stupid. I agree that he caught a ball that he would not have been 'expected' to catch.

Do I think Cassel put it 'right' where he wanted? No. I think he would have probably liked to have it down and in about six inches or maybe even a foot.

But, the Chiefs were in field goal range and if he was going to miss, he was going to miss high and wide and have it be an incompletion. He wasn't going to give anyone else a shot at it.

Not every thrown will be perfect. I watched the MNF game last night. Two guys that we would all pretty much consider to be 'franchise' QB's. And, even they missed passes. I am not comparing Cassel to them, but the point is that Cassel is just an average QB. When he plays a good game, I will give him credit for it rather than trying to pick apart every touch down.

But, do remember that Cassel knows what Moeaki can do. Again, not saying he didn't want it a little lower and a little to the right. But, it wasn't like it was off target by five yards.

Chieftain58
09-28-2010, 05:51 AM
Arrrgree cough cough, I agree.. He doesn't suck as bad but time will tell... Some of the hits he took as well would have knocked Brokie out of the game..

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 05:52 AM
This.

I don't think I've seen anyone say it was a great pass. It just happens to be an improvement over what we normally see from Cassel (and the offense in general).

Hell, look at the play overall. It was a great play call. Up by 14, in the red zone, third down. The only thing that could screw up the outcome would be an under-thrown ball for an interception.

What?!?!?!? It was caught?!?!? Holy ****, what a great catch!!! Wait a minute, does that mean the throw wasn't 10 feet over the receivers head?!?!?!? OMG, did our QB just get it in the same zip code as the receiver?! ...and it wasn't a fluttering puff throw?!?!?!

WTF?!?!

Maybe some of us are overreacting, but if you think about it, this really is an improvement for Cassel (and the offensive play calling). Yes the pass should have been 6-12" lower, but for Cassel, this was a good throw. Yes I'd like a better QB, but facts are we don't have one and likely won't get one anytime soon. Best we can hope for is improvement. I didn't know if that was possible prior to this game.

Anyway, I think some of us are just happy to see evidence that Cassel can actually improve enough to be a "game manager". At this point, every little bit helps.

This sums it up about as well as it can be said.

unlurking
09-28-2010, 06:56 AM
Arrrgree cough cough, I agree.. He doesn't suck as bad but time will tell... Some of the hits he took as well would have knocked Brokie out of the game..

I have to say, one of the things that shocked me was how many hits he took right after releasing the ball. Yeah, they were incomplete, but normally he pulls them down and takes the sack. This game last year and we easily would have seen 3+ sacks.

BigMeatballDave
09-28-2010, 07:20 AM
Tell me about it.How would you know, since you're the one who is wrong?:)

FAX
09-28-2010, 07:36 AM
Has the world gone mad?

I feel like I've been abducted in my sleep and taken to Castle Planet where everybody listens to Jonas Brothers CDs and eats Frosted Flakes for dinner.

FAX

BigMeatballDave
09-28-2010, 07:44 AM
He will be the guy for the foreseeable future. So, I'm just gonna suck it up and hope he improves.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 08:23 AM
How would you know, since you're the one who is wrong?:)

You are mistaken.

SenselessChiefsFan
09-28-2010, 08:24 AM
Has the world gone mad?

I feel like I've been abducted in my sleep and taken to Castle Planet where everybody listens to Jonas Brothers CDs and eats Frosted Flakes for dinner.

FAX

I really don't think that anyone thinks that Cassel is now a 'great' QB. I think we are just giving him credit for having a good game and we hope that he will use this confidence to propel him to even higher levels of average.

Reaper16
09-28-2010, 08:24 AM
At the end of the day, that pass might very well be the best one we've seen from Cassel as a Chief.

Was to high and hard to reasonably expect, or even hope, that Moeaki could make that catch.

Yes, absolutely.

But that ball had far more zip on it than any pass that Cassel has thrown as a Chief.

Combine that with a bit of accuracy, and we might well be able to win some games.

The fact that these guys made some plays for him should give him some confidence as the season moves on.
I disagree, milkman. I see much better passes from Cassel every game. Granted those tend to be medium-range passes. If you are claiming that it was Cassel's best deep-ish pass as a Chief then perhaps I'd agree.

philfree
09-28-2010, 08:31 AM
He will be the guy for the foreseeable future. So, I'm just gonna suck it up and hope he improves.

Kind of like this.

Like most Chiefs fans I'd love to draft a stud QB. That said I'm so sick of losing that if Cassels plays well enough for the Chiefs to make the playoffs and that means that he gets his roster bonus and stays the QB then so be it. I'll take that over another losing season.


PhilFree:arrow:

Extra Point
09-28-2010, 08:34 AM
115 QB rating on Sunday. That's more like it. The O-line is stepping up. If Indy falls to the Chiefs next game, then we're on to something.

milkman
09-28-2010, 08:52 AM
I disagree, milkman. I see much better passes from Cassel every game. Granted those tend to be medium-range passes. If you are claiming that it was Cassel's best deep-ish pass as a Chief then perhaps I'd agree.

What I'm saying is that he made a decsion, had confidence in that decsion and threw a ball with some zip from the 18 yard line (LOS) into the back of the end zone.

From the point of release (about the 25 yard line) to 8 yards deep in the end zone, that was by far the best pass that traveled more than 15 yards in the air that he has thrown as a Chief.

Bewbies
09-28-2010, 09:00 AM
If Matt Castle can turn things around this year we're all the sudden about 3-4 years ahead of where we all thought we were.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 09:01 AM
Kind of like this.

Like most Chiefs fans I'd love to draft a stud QB. That said I'm so sick of losing that if Cassels plays well enough for the Chiefs to make the playoffs and that means that he gets his roster bonus and stays the QB then so be it. I'll take that over another losing season.


PhilFree:arrow:

Hey, ChiefNJ:

Remember when you asked me about my comment that fans are content with playoff appearances and not winning championships?

Give give you Exhibit A.

philfree
09-28-2010, 09:59 AM
Hey, ChiefNJ:

Remember when you asked me about my comment that fans are content with playoff appearances and not winning championships?

Give give you Exhibit A.

I'm not content I'm sick of losing game after game and not even having a chance to make the playoffs. And where did I say I didn't want to win a Championship?

This is a classic example of someone putting words in someone elses mouth. It's the draftubaor way.


Let's try and lose our way to building a Championship team and see how that works out. Maybe we should ask the Lions for advice since they've set the pattern for success.


PhilFree:arrow:

Short Leash Hootie
09-28-2010, 10:14 AM
nothing wrong with hoping for the playoffs this year OTWP

we're a young team...we're only going to get better

this isn't 2006 where are ceiling was a 1st round loss to the Colts

this is different...

a 1st round loss this year would be a giant step in the right direction and a great season for KC...

but I don't expect you to realize that because you're....dumb

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 10:20 AM
nothing wrong with hoping for the playoffs this year OTWP

we're a young team...we're only going to get better

this isn't 2006 where are ceiling was a 1st round loss to the Colts

this is different...

a 1st round loss this year would be a giant step in the right direction and a great season for KC...

but I don't expect you to realize that because you're....dumb

Of course there's nothing wrong with wanting to make the playoffs.

I hope like hell it happens. It would be a great experience for the young players to see what playoff football is all about.

But when people say this:

That said I'm so sick of losing that if Cassels plays well enough for the Chiefs to make the playoffs and that means that he gets his roster bonus and stays the QB then so be it. I'll take that over another losing season.

What does it say to you?

To me, it screams, "I'm content just making the playoffs, but am not willing to deal with the growing pains (of a young QB) which is going to be necessary to win CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Dude would rather have Cassel stick around and just make the playoffs over losing.

I'd gladly take, and I think you would too, several losing seasons getting a franchise QB ready if it meant winning a championship.

You know as well as I do, keeping Cassel is just delaying the opportunity to win it all.

Pawnmower
09-28-2010, 10:24 AM
Hey, ChiefNJ:

Remember when you asked me about my comment that fans are content with playoff appearances and not winning championships?

Give give you Exhibit A.

I want to win the Superbowl without going into the playoffs personally. Lets just skip the playoffs and go straight to the Superbowl!

beach tribe
09-28-2010, 10:33 AM
which is exactly why Clausen would have been a perfect selection.

I'm sure there will be another guy that falls down the board next April.

philfree
09-28-2010, 10:54 AM
Of course there's nothing wrong with wanting to make the playoffs.

I hope like hell it happens. It would be a great experience for the young players to see what playoff football is all about.

But when people say this:



What does it say to you?

To me, it screams, "I'm content just making the playoffs, but am not willing to deal with the growing pains (of a young QB) which is going to be necessary to win CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Dude would rather have Cassel stick around and just make the playoffs over losing.

I'd gladly take, and I think you would too, several losing seasons getting a franchise QB ready if it meant winning a championship.

You know as well as I do, keeping Cassel is just delaying the opportunity to win it all.

If I'm sick of losing how can I be content? And if we make the playoffs then I'll want to win playoff games.

And how does anything I posted say that I wouldn't want to or couldn't deal with the growing pains of a young QB? Hell the first thing I said was I wanted to draft a stud QB.

You're just making stuff up.



PhilFree:arrow:

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:03 AM
If I'm sick of losing how can I be content? And if we make the playoffs then I'll want to win playoff games.


And I want a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale.

They aren't winning a championship with this QB.

Period.

Saying you're content if he sticks around is implying you're content with one-and-done in the playoffs.

Unless you're naive enough to think Cassel can win a SB.

FAX
09-28-2010, 11:06 AM
And I want a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale.


Hey!

That's my girl you're talking about.

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:06 AM
Hey!

That's my girl you're talking about.

FAX

I saw her first, Mr. FAX.

LMAO

Reaper16
09-28-2010, 11:10 AM
What I'm saying is that he made a decsion, had confidence in that decsion and threw a ball with some zip from the 18 yard line (LOS) into the back of the end zone.

From the point of release (about the 25 yard line) to 8 yards deep in the end zone, that was by far the best pass that traveled more than 15 yards in the air that he has thrown as a Chief.
That's fair. I am inclined to agree with you.

That also makes me really sad that that was his best deep-ish pass.

FAX
09-28-2010, 11:11 AM
I saw her first, Mr. FAX.

LMAO

Sorry, man. I really am ... but, if anybody on this board is getting a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale, it's me.

I'm prepared to fight to the death.

FAX

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 11:13 AM
And I want a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale.

They aren't winning a championship with this QB.

Period.

Saying you're content if he sticks around is implying you're content with one-and-done in the playoffs.

Unless you're naive enough to think Cassel can win a SB.

And the run defense isn't going to get better if they don't add better players, and the LB's suck and .....

This year has been a big surprise. Right now nobody knows what the team is capable of. Do I think they'll beat the Colts or Texans, nope - but I also didn't think they'd be 3-0 either. If Cassel can throw the ball like he did in New England and get rid of the ball like he's been doing the last 3 weeks, not take sacks and not make mistakes, then the team could possibly make a playoff run - which would be huge for everyone.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:13 AM
Sorry, man. I really am ... but, if anybody on this board is getting a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale, it's me.

I'm prepared to fight to the death.

FAX

I'm warning you, I've been training.

Shaun Smith has been teaching me the art of the cock-punch.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:18 AM
And the run defense isn't going to get better if they don't add better players, and the LB's suck and .....

This year has been a big surprise. Right now nobody knows what the team is capable of. Do I think they'll beat the Colts or Texans, nope - but I also didn't think they'd be 3-0 either. If Cassel can throw the ball like he did in New England and get rid of the ball like he's been doing the last 3 weeks, not take sacks and not make mistakes, then the team could possibly make a playoff run - which would be huge for everyone.

Looks like we're adding to the naive list.

This year HAS been a big surprise.

I DO think the TEAM is capable of more.

However, I'm not naive enough to think that our most glaring fucking issue is just going to magically turn into Kurt Warner and win us a SB.

I said the other day - that if the rest of the team continues to progress at this rate, we'll be in damn good shape - and if we were get a legitimate QB, watch out. We could be dangerous.

But not with Cassel. He can't put a team on his back and win, and that's often what it takes to win a championship.

Hell, we've won 7 games in the Matt Cassel era. Can you think of ONE in which we won because of him, and not in spite of him?

stevieray
09-28-2010, 11:22 AM
Looks like we're adding to the naive list.

This year HAS been a big surprise.

I DO think the TEAM is capable of more.

However, I'm not naive enough to think that our most glaring ****ing issue is just going to magically turn into Kurt Warner and win us a SB.

I said the other day - that if the rest of the team continues to progress at this rate, we'll be in damn good shape - and if we were get a legitimate QB, watch out. We could be dangerous.

But not with Cassel. He can't put a team on his back and win, and that's often what it takes to win a championship.

Hell, we've won 7 games in the Matt Cassel era. Can you think of ONE in which we won because of him, and not in spite of him?

irrelevant..... 31 other teams. some with franchise QB's aren't going to win the SB either. Phillip Rivers put the team on his shoulders in KC..howd' that work out?

It's a team sport. Period. Continually making it about one player is what is wrong with the NFL and the majority of it's fans.

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 11:24 AM
Looks like we're adding to the naive list.

This year HAS been a big surprise.

I DO think the TEAM is capable of more.

However, I'm not naive enough to think that our most glaring ****ing issue is just going to magically turn into Kurt Warner and win us a SB.

I said the other day - that if the rest of the team continues to progress at this rate, we'll be in damn good shape - and if we were get a legitimate QB, watch out. We could be dangerous.

But not with Cassel. He can't put a team on his back and win, and that's often what it takes to win a championship.

Hell, we've won 7 games in the Matt Cassel era. Can you think of ONE in which we won because of him, and not in spite of him?

Cassel is the QB for 2010. Why not hope for the best? Why not hope that he DOES DEVELOP?

One game that KC won because of Cassel? Pittsburgh last year. 4th quarter comeback and OT drive.

FAX
09-28-2010, 11:28 AM
Cassel is the QB for 2010. Why not hope for the best? Why not hope that he DOES DEVELOP?

One game that KC won because of Cassel? Pittsburgh last year. 4th quarter comeback and OT drive.

I think you can "hope" that Mark Castle will develop ... but to what extent?

Based merely on my own, personal observations, he has really ugly, awkward footwork, poor mechanics, an extremely slow delivery, accuracy problems, and operates in the pocket as though he's trying to find the pinata with a stick.

That, my friend, is the problem with hoping he develops. You can marginally improve some of those issues, but you can't fix all that ... you just can't.

FAX

milkman
09-28-2010, 11:31 AM
Looks like we're adding to the naive list.

This year HAS been a big surprise.

I DO think the TEAM is capable of more.

However, I'm not naive enough to think that our most glaring ****ing issue is just going to magically turn into Kurt Warner and win us a SB.

I said the other day - that if the rest of the team continues to progress at this rate, we'll be in damn good shape - and if we were get a legitimate QB, watch out. We could be dangerous.

But not with Cassel. He can't put a team on his back and win, and that's often what it takes to win a championship.

Hell, we've won 7 games in the Matt Cassel era. Can you think of ONE in which we won because of him, and not in spite of him?

I disagree to some extent here, path.

I think to be a perennial contender, you need a QB that can put the team on his back which is why the Colts are perennial contenders.

But at the same time, the Colts won their way to the SB in the playoffs in spite of Manning when they won it all.

Game managers can still win SBs if the rest of the team plays at a high level.

But your best chance still remains putting a franchise QB out their that can carry you.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:33 AM
Cassel is the QB for 2010. Why not hope for the best? Why not hope that he DOES DEVELOP?

One game that KC won because of Cassel? Pittsburgh last year. 4th quarter comeback and OT drive.

LOL WUT?

You mean the Pittsburgh game where we had a Special Teams TD and had a 94 yard INT return?

The Pittsburgh game where Cassel completed 50% of his passes?

The Pittsburgh game where a Cassel fumble led to 7 Pittsburgh points?

Great example.

I can think of several players that had more to do with that win than Cassel.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:35 AM
I think you can "hope" that Mark Castle will develop ... but to what extent?

Based merely on my own, personal observations, he has really ugly, awkward footwork, poor mechanics, an extremely slow delivery, accuracy problems, and operates in the pocket as though he's trying to find the pinata with a stick.

That, my friend, is the problem with hoping he develops. You can marginally improve some of those issues, but you can't fix all that ... you just can't.

FAX

Sorry, Mr. FAX, but I'm still hoping that I magically become attractive enough, witty enough, and rich enough to get that blowjob from Kate Beckinsale.

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 11:38 AM
I think you can "hope" that Mark Castle will develop ... but to what extent?

Based merely on my own, personal observations, he has really ugly, awkward footwork, poor mechanics, an extremely slow delivery, accuracy problems, and operates in the pocket as though he's trying to find the pinata with a stick.

That, my friend, is the problem with hoping he develops. You can marginally improve some of those issues, but you can't fix all that ... you just can't.

FAX

Phil Simms and Drew Brees had pretty rough starts to their careers.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:39 AM
irrelevant..... 31 other teams. some with franchise QB's aren't going to win the SB either. Phillip Rivers put the team on his shoulders in KC..howd' that work out?

It's a team sport. Period. Continually making it about one player is what is wrong with the NFL and the majority of it's fans.

No doubt it's a team sport, Steve.

But you have to have a near-perfect team to make up for the shortcomings at the most important position on the field, and we don't have that. And it's unrealistic to think we will.

I love the progress. I really do. You know how much I'm enjoying this.

But I'm not going to ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room and just "hope" he doesn't kill me.

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 11:39 AM
LOL WUT?

You mean the Pittsburgh game where we had a Special Teams TD and had a 94 yard INT return?

The Pittsburgh game where Cassel completed 50% of his passes?

The Pittsburgh game where a Cassel fumble led to 7 Pittsburgh points?

Great example.

I can think of several players that had more to do with that win than Cassel.

Of course you do, because you hate Cassel. He led them to a comeback win. He completed some nice passes on the drive.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-28-2010, 11:39 AM
Hey, ChiefNJ:

Remember when you asked me about my comment that fans are content with playoff appearances and not winning championships?

Give give you Exhibit A.

LMAO

I'm sure there will be another guy that falls down the board next April.

Probably. Hopefully.

Sorry, man. I really am ... but, if anybody on this board is getting a blowjob from Kate Beckinsale, it's me.

I'm prepared to fight to the death.

FAX

I will snipe the both of you fuckers from a roof top for that blowjob.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:42 AM
I disagree to some extent here, path.

I think to be a perennial contender, you need a QB that can put the team on his back which is why the Colts are perennial contenders.

But at the same time, the Colts won their way to the SB in the playoffs in spite of Manning when they won it all.

Game managers can still win SBs if the rest of the team plays at a high level.

But your best chance still remains putting a franchise QB out their that can carry you.

I agree.

But do you think Cassel is even at the level of game manager?

I don't.

And as much as I love the improvement we've seen thus far, I don't see it ever being enough to make up for the shortcomings at the QB position.

Recipe for beating the Chiefs in the playoffs?

Sell out against the run and make Matt Cassel beat you.

He can't.

stevieray
09-28-2010, 11:43 AM
No doubt it's a team sport, Steve.

But you have to have a near-perfect team to make up for the shortcomings at the most important position on the field, and we don't have that. And it's unrealistic to think we will.

I love the progress. I really do. You know how much I'm enjoying this.

But I'm not going to ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room and just "hope" he doesn't kill me.

understood....I just think this is his first real chance with a great OC to grow with here in KC, instead of losing Gailey and gaining Haley last year, two weeks before the season started. That wasn't only unfair to him, but to the team as well.

He's got to show major improvemnt through the season, no question about it..but to say it's impossible? just too soon to tell.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:48 AM
Of course you do, because you hate Cassel. He led them to a comeback win. He completed some nice passes on the drive.

Which drive was that?

The drive right before the 2:00 warning that could have won the game?

Nope, not that one. We went three-and-out and gave the ball back to Pittsburgh.

Who was stopped by the defense thanks to a timely sack.

Or do you mean the drive in OT, where he completed a 5 yard pass to Pope and a 6 yard pass to Chambers, who broke it for 61?

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-28-2010, 11:48 AM
I agree.

But do you think Cassel is even at the level of game manager?

I don't.
And as much as I love the improvement we've seen thus far, I don't see it ever being enough to make up for the shortcomings at the QB position.

Recipe for beating the Chiefs in the playoffs?

Sell out against the run and make Matt Cassel beat you.

He can't.

Me neither. He got work to do yet.

milkman
09-28-2010, 11:52 AM
I agree.

But do you think Cassel is even at the level of game manager?

I don't.

And as much as I love the improvement we've seen thus far, I don't see it ever being enough to make up for the shortcomings at the QB position.

Recipe for beating the Chiefs in the playoffs?

Sell out against the run and make Matt Cassel beat you.

He can't.

Go back to the '09 offseason when we hired Pioli.

I knew before he was hired, when it became apparent that he very well would be the GM somewhere, and that KC might be that team, that it was very likely that he would bring Cassel with him.

I watched every NNLN replay of the Patriots that offseason, and while I have been as critical of Cassel as anyone, I have also said since that time, when he makes a decision that he is confident, when he makes a throw with confidence, he has decent zip and can be pretty accurate.

He hasn't shown that in KC yet.

However, if these receivers keep making plays for him, it can very probably build that confidence he needs to make decisions and make the throws.

So, in short, to answer your question, I do believe he is capable of being a game manager.

A good one at that.

This O-Line has to continue to give him the time, and these receivers have to keep making plays to build that confidence.

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 11:58 AM
Which drive was that?

The drive right before the 2:00 warning that could have won the game?

Nope, not that one. We went three-and-out and gave the ball back to Pittsburgh.

Who was stopped by the defense thanks to a timely sack.

Or do you mean the drive in OT, where he completed a 5 yard pass to Pope and a 6 yard pass to Chambers, who broke it for 61?

The one where he converted on 3rd and 9 from KC's 9 yard line. Then completed a 40 + yard pass and then threw a TD pass. But you knew that.

Look it's fine, I know you want a new QB and you want Cassel to play poorly and KC to lose so the team is somewhat forced into drafting one. I get it.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 11:58 AM
I watched every NNLN replay of the Patriots that offseason, and while I have been as critical of Cassel as anyone, I have also said since that time, when he makes a decision that he is confident, when he makes a throw with confidence, he has decent zip and can be pretty accurate.


You now I respect your opinion, but 40% completion over 10 yards in NE says otherwise.

I don't think it has nearly as much to do with confidence as you do.

It's his overall decision making ability and his ability to read a defense.

There are enough of us that have say in the upper endzone at Arrowhead watching him completely ignore open WR's while throwing to guys that are blanketed.

Until he learns to progress through his reads and quit dancing around phantom pressure, none of the rest of it matters.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:02 PM
The one where he converted on 3rd and 9 from KC's 9 yard line. Then completed a 40 + yard pass and then threw a TD pass. But you knew that.

Look it's fine, I know you want a new QB and you want Cassel to play poorly and KC to lose so the team is somewhat forced into drafting one. I get it.

So that one drive - where IIRC, Chambers came down with an air balloon of Cassel's - is enough to claim that Cassel won us that game?

You're as dumb as Reerun with this shit.

I do want a new QB.

However, in the meantime, I want Cassel to pull his head from his ass and help the rest of his teammates.

I want KC to win, because I have no faith that we'd draft a QB even if we were drafting 1st overall.

But please, continue banging that drum because your argument is flimsy.

suds79
09-28-2010, 12:03 PM
So, in short, to answer your question, I do believe he is capable of being a game manager.

A good one at that.

This O-Line has to continue to give him the time, and these receivers have to keep making plays to build that confidence.


You see I don't want that. A game manager just wont win you a SB in today's NFL. The last time someone can site that was 10 years ago and it was with maybe the best D of all time.

No if Matt can't be elite (and I don't think he can be anywhere close) , then I hope he flames out badly so it's obvious we need to get another QB.

It's all about winning the SB for me. I firmly believe you have to have a special QB to get there and I want the Chiefs to find that guy to have a chance.

The worse thing that could happen IMO is for our QB to turn to to be just average and hold onto the spot for 5+ years with no realistic shot at a SB.

So I either want to see great things from Matt or little to nothing. (obviously hoping for great)

milkman
09-28-2010, 12:03 PM
You now I respect your opinion, but 40% completion over 10 yards in NE says otherwise.

I don't think it has nearly as much to do with confidence as you do.

It's his overall decision making ability and his ability to read a defense.

There are enough of us that have say in the upper endzone at Arrowhead watching him completely ignore open WR's while throwing to guys that are blanketed.

Until he learns to progress through his reads and quit dancing around phantom pressure, none of the rest of it matters.

No, I get that.

Cassel, beyond 15 yards was and will probably never be much beyond 15 yards with his accuarcy.

However, when he did throw beyond 15 yards in New England, the passes had better zip than anything we've seen here in KC, and while still off the mark, were not nearly as bad as what we've seen here.

The fact that he did have some zip, and did get those passes close enough to give the defense something to think about made his short passing game very effective.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:04 PM
You see I don't want that. A game manager just wont win you a SB in today's NFL. The last time someone can site that was 10 years ago and it was with maybe the best D of all time.

No if Matt can't be elite (and I don't think he can be anywhere close) , then I hope he flames out badly so it's obvious we need to get another QB.

It's all about winning the SB for me. I firmly believe you have to have a special QB to get there and I want the Chiefs to find that guy to have a chance.

The worse thing that could happen IMO is for our QB to turn to to be just average and hold onto the spot for 5+ years with no realistic shot at a SB.

You're such a terrible fan. Why do you hate the Chiefs?

suds79
09-28-2010, 12:06 PM
You're such a terrible fan. Why do you hate the Chiefs?

I thought that'd get twisted.

I actually love the Chiefs. I'd love to see them get to a SB. Wouldn't you?

But isn't the SB the ultimate goal? It is for me. What about you?

milkman
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
You see I don't want that. A game manager just wont win you a SB in today's NFL. The last time someone can site that was 10 years ago and it was with maybe the best D of all time.

No if Matt can't be elite (and I don't think he can be anywhere close) , then I hope he flames out badly so it's obvious we need to get another QB.

It's all about winning the SB for me. I firmly believe you have to have a special QB to get there and I want the Chiefs to find that guy to have a chance.

The worse thing that could happen IMO is for our QB to turn to to be just average and hold onto the spot for 5+ years with no realistic shot at a SB.

So I either want to see great things from Matt or little to nothing. (obviously hoping for great)

I've said this more times than I can remember.

Give me a franchise QB and a top 10 defense, and I'll take my chances against the rest of the league.

That would be my ideal worst case scenario.

That being said, I can see Weis making Cassel a viable game manager, this year, so I have to look look for the positives elsewhere, because we are going to be stuck with him.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
I thought that'd get twisted.

I actually love the Chiefs. I'd love to see them get to a SB. Wouldn't you?

But isn't the SB the ultimate goal? It is for me. What about you?

LMAO

Your sarcasm meter needs batteries.

Just giving you the boilerplate response the rest of us get when we say what you said.

suds79
09-28-2010, 12:10 PM
LMAO

Your sarcasm meter needs batteries.

Just giving you the boilerplate response the rest of us get when we say what you said.

Ah okay. I get it. Seriously I need to work on that. Apparently it's just hard for me.

But not being able to tell tone I just can't tell. I wish there was a rule that all sarcasm had to be followed by this :p or something.

Because like I said, I'm clueless in telling. :)

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:10 PM
Ah okay. I get it. Seriously I need to work on that. Apparently it's just hard for me.

But not being able to tell tone I just can't tell. I wish there was a rule that all sarcasm had to be followed by this :p or something.

Because like I said, I'm clueless in telling. :)

No worries.

:D

Chiefnj2
09-28-2010, 12:11 PM
So that one drive - where IIRC, Chambers came down with an air balloon of Cassel's - is enough to claim that Cassel won us that game?

You're as dumb as Reerun with this shit.

I do want a new QB.

However, in the meantime, I want Cassel to pull his head from his ass and help the rest of his teammates.

I want KC to win, because I have no faith that we'd draft a QB even if we were drafting 1st overall.

But please, continue banging that drum because your argument is flimsy.

You are a retard. Seriously. Yes, when a QB leads a team on a 90 yard comeback drive in the 4th quarter, the QB has helped win the game. When that QB completes passes in OT setting up a game winning FG, the QB has helped win the game. I understand that unless the team drafts the QB you specifically want you are going to bitch, moan, whine and otherwise act like a 9 year old girl that didn't get asked to the school dance. Try your best to enjoy the 2010 season. You could always flip over to Jet and Panther games to cheer up.

milkman
09-28-2010, 12:12 PM
Ah okay. I get it. Seriously I need to work on that. Apparently it's just hard for me.

But not being able to tell tone I just can't tell. I wish there was a rule that all sarcasm had to be followed by this :p or something.

Because like I said, I'm clueless in telling. :)

I really hate that :p smilie.

I don't want the perverts around here getting things twisted.

DeezNutz
09-28-2010, 12:12 PM
I thought that'd get twisted.

I actually love the Chiefs. I'd love to see them get to a SB. Wouldn't you?

But isn't the SB the ultimate goal? It is for me. What about you?

No. Being right and reminding other posters of their stupidity should be the ultimate goals.

Reerun_KC
09-28-2010, 12:14 PM
I really hate that :p smilie.

I don't want the perverts around here getting things twisted.

Here on CP? :eek:

Reaper16
09-28-2010, 12:24 PM
No. Being right and reminding other posters of their stupidity should be the ultimate goals.
The board's real name lately? PredictionPlanet. We discuss football predictions more than we do football games.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:30 PM
You are a retard. Seriously. Yes, when a QB leads a team on a 90 yard comeback drive in the 4th quarter, the QB has helped win the game. When that QB completes passes in OT setting up a game winning FG, the QB has helped win the game. I understand that unless the team drafts the QB you specifically want you are going to bitch, moan, whine and otherwise act like a 9 year old girl that didn't get asked to the school dance. Try your best to enjoy the 2010 season. You could always flip over to Jet and Panther games to cheer up.

*yawn*

That all you got, Reerun Jr.?

DeezNutz
09-28-2010, 12:31 PM
The board's real name lately? PredictionPlanet. We discuss football predictions more than we do football games.

Nothing to discuss when you're perfect. Enjoy it.

OnTheWarpath58
09-28-2010, 12:31 PM
Nothing to discuss when you're perfect. Enjoy it.

ROFL