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royr17
09-27-2010, 11:06 AM
They had a brief clip of him at the game.

Does anybody have a picture of that cause my sister is crazy over him and wasnt here yesterday and when it was shown.

She would absolutely love to see that. Priest will always be one of the best running backs to ever play for the Chiefs.

It's sad that his career ended by a neck injury.

wilas101
09-27-2010, 11:18 AM
My wife was actually paying attention to the tv when they showed Priest on there and she wanted to know why he got to walk around on the field. lol

I told her if Priest wanted to walk around on the sideline he could walk around on the sideline.

I'm thinking he needs to walk the sideline every game if it keeps the offense showing up.

KCtotheSB
09-27-2010, 11:25 AM
My wife was watching the game with me at the sports bar and asked, "Who's that guy?"

I replied with, "You're wearing him."

She had her Priest Holmes jersey :)

seclark
09-27-2010, 11:26 AM
my wife was doing the dishes, keeping her yap shut.
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wilas101
09-27-2010, 11:29 AM
my wife was doing the dishes, keeping her yap shut.
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can i watch the game at your house? :)

gblowfish
09-27-2010, 11:39 AM
Was he standing in line for nachos?

Pitt Gorilla
09-27-2010, 11:44 AM
Was he standing in line for nachos?Eh, beat me to it.

DaFace
09-27-2010, 11:52 AM
My wife was watching the game with me at the sports bar and asked, "Who's that guy?"

I replied with, "You're wearing him."

She had her Priest Holmes jersey :)

That's kind of sad.

LaChapelle
09-27-2010, 12:00 PM
He was to scared to stand on the sidelines win LJ was there/LJpolesmoker

Cave Johnson
09-27-2010, 12:10 PM
Was he standing in line for nachos?

Please. The Chiefs all-time leading rusher has them continuously delivered by a staffer.

Kerberos
09-27-2010, 12:53 PM
if Priest wanted to walk around on the sideline he could walk around on the sideline.



THIS X 100

I think the man has done enough for that organization to be allowed to roam any gawdammed place he pleases inside arrowhead.

Fish
09-27-2010, 01:03 PM
My wife was watching the game with me at the sports bar and asked, "Who's that guy?"

I replied with, "You're wearing him."

She had her Priest Holmes jersey :)

Did she cry after you backhanded her off the bar?

Demonpenz
09-27-2010, 01:10 PM
his pants weren't hanging off his ass, he wasn't listening to rap, and he wasn't stealing shit. all signs point to likeable black man!

BigChiefFan
09-27-2010, 01:11 PM
Please. The Chiefs all-time leading rusher has them continuously delivered by a staffer.

:D

nstygma
09-27-2010, 01:38 PM
his pants weren't hanging off his ass, he wasn't listening to rap, and he wasn't stealing shit. all signs point to likeable black man!
is that you with the beard behind him? not the old creepy dude with the camera

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5301/vlcsnap00165.th.png (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00165.png/)

KCUnited
09-27-2010, 01:49 PM
Surprised Haley didn't plug him in for Charles.

stevieray
09-27-2010, 01:51 PM
is that you with the beard behind him? not the old creepy dude with the camera

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5301/vlcsnap00165.th.png (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap00165.png/)

I know that guy...good friend of mine...hella photographer.

BigChiefFan
09-27-2010, 01:52 PM
Surprised Haley didn't plug him in for Charles.

ROFL

Kerberos
09-27-2010, 02:49 PM
Surprised Haley didn't plug him in for Charles.

Neck injuries aside...I bet he could still lay the wood better than some of the other backs in this league.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-27-2010, 02:53 PM
Hard to believe he's gonna be 37 next month. Damn, I feel old.

theultimatekcchiefsfan
09-28-2010, 10:29 PM
Wow Priest has a lot of hot women in his stable! :D


http://i.imgur.com/LG2Hp.jpg

KcFanNindy
09-28-2010, 10:55 PM
They had a brief clip of him at the game.

Does anybody have a picture of that cause my sister is crazy over him and wasnt here yesterday and when it was shown.

She would absolutely love to see that. Priest will always be one of the best running backs to ever play for the Chiefs.

It's sad that his career ended by a neck injury.

I will be posting my pictures of the game tommorow, I have several Priest photos on my facebook!

KCbroncoHATER
09-28-2010, 11:00 PM
I bet he stood around until he got all the free stuff he could get then quit and went home.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-28-2010, 11:07 PM
Hard to believe he's gonna be 37 next month. Damn, I feel old.

God I know the feeling...

Rausch
09-28-2010, 11:29 PM
My wife was watching the game with me at the sports bar and asked, "Who's that guy?"

I replied with, "You're wearing him."

She had her Priest Holmes jersey :)

Doing it WRONG (YOU, A$$#OLE!)

my wife was doing the dishes, keeping her yap shut.
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Doing it RIGHT!

:clap:

Count Alex's Losses
10-21-2013, 10:28 PM
Yep.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1410694_10151636018081751_1358675775_o.jpg

Fruit Ninja
10-21-2013, 10:30 PM
Loved his running style. The little shifts he used then kicked it into high gear was amazing. Didnt have straight line speed, but he accelerated very fucking fast.

-King-
10-21-2013, 10:30 PM
Wonder why he wasn't down on the field.

Tuckdaddy
10-21-2013, 10:32 PM
my wife was doing the dishes, keeping her yap shut.
sec

That is what you think. She was doing something but it wasn't the dishes and her yap was not shut.

stevieray
10-21-2013, 10:32 PM
Wonder why he wasn't down on the field.

...not his style.

tk13
10-21-2013, 10:32 PM
Loved his running style. The little shifts he used then kicked it into high gear was amazing. Didnt have straight line speed, but he accelerated very ****ing fast.

Yep. Didn't have Charles breakaway speed, but inside 10 yards was one of the best. Keeps the chains moving.

Tuckdaddy
10-21-2013, 10:33 PM
Yep.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1410694_10151636018081751_1358675775_o.jpg

Nacho eating bitch.

-King-
10-21-2013, 10:33 PM
...not his style.

He was down on the field a few times the past few years.

Simply Red
10-21-2013, 10:34 PM
I own a pair of Carrera sunglasses as well.

stevieray
10-21-2013, 10:36 PM
He was down on the field a few times the past few years.

cool...I think it's just great he's there.

Strongside
10-21-2013, 10:38 PM
my wife was doing the dishes, keeping her yap shut.
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I assume you voted yes on all options in the 'hit a woman' poll, no?

:)

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-21-2013, 10:40 PM
Fugger swiped a nacho

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-21-2013, 10:45 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Fruit Ninja
10-21-2013, 10:45 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

THIS

lewdog
10-21-2013, 10:46 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Agreed wholeheartedly. No doubt for me on that.

Not to mention that I would love to meet Priest. He just seems like a very respectful, sincere and honest guy.

stevieray
10-21-2013, 10:53 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.
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Coach
10-21-2013, 10:53 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Agreed as well. I would say that Priest is more than worthy enough to be on the Chiefs Hall of Ring, in my opinion.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-21-2013, 10:54 PM
If Priest isn't eventually in the Ring of Honor, it shouldn't exist.

MotherfuckerJones
10-21-2013, 10:55 PM
Priest had a fucking HOF oline! Charles has scrubs for lineman. Put Charles behind that line and he gets 2,000 yds easy

-King-
10-21-2013, 10:55 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Put Charles behind the lines Priest had and he runs for 2000 each season. Pretty much everything you attributed for Priest can be attributed to Charles also.

MotherfuckerJones
10-21-2013, 10:56 PM
That line parted lanes for Priest like the fucking Red Sea. Charles would be a sure fire MVP behind that line

Coach
10-21-2013, 11:00 PM
Put Charles behind the lines Priest had and he runs for 2000 each season. Pretty much everything you attributed for Priest can be attributed to Charles also.

I don't disagree. I would be very curious how good Charles could be if he had a strong O-Line like what Priest had.

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, and Tait >>>>>>> Albert, Asamoah, Hudson, Allan, and Fisher.

It's a no contest.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-21-2013, 11:02 PM
Put Charles behind the lines Priest had and he runs for 2000 each season. Pretty much everything you attributed for Priest can be attributed to Charles also.

You may think that, but you don't know it. It's easier to run now than it was then. Charles definitely has more first-to-second-level explosiveness, but I also don't think he was as slippery in tight spots as Priest.

Furthermore, you can't compare the two as receivers or short yardage backs. It's not even false to say that--it's insane.

Chocolate Hog
10-21-2013, 11:06 PM
...

Bad ass picture!

stevieray
10-21-2013, 11:06 PM
I think they are very similar...great vision, INSANE small cuts in tight spaces and patience for blocks..then explosion...both tough and sneaky strong, good hands and the ability to take it to the house.

We are damn lucky to have them both don the Arrowhead.

rabblerouser
10-21-2013, 11:08 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Ummm...to be fair to JC, Priest had Roaf, Shields, Weigmann, Waters, & Tait/Sampson on the line and T-Rich in front...

Give Charles that supporting cast and he's rushing for 2k.

rabblerouser
10-21-2013, 11:10 PM
Put Charles behind the lines Priest had and he runs for 2000 each season. Pretty much everything you attributed for Priest can be attributed to Charles also.

right.

except Charles is a more visceral runner; Priest was more cerebral.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-21-2013, 11:11 PM
Ummm...to be fair to JC, Priest had Roaf, Shields, Weigmann, Waters, & Tait/Sampson on the line and T-Rich in front...

Give Charles that supporting cast and he's rushing for 2k.

And Priest had 2300 yards from scrimmage in 14.5 games.

suzzer99
10-21-2013, 11:13 PM
Behind the best O-line of the decade

hometeam
10-21-2013, 11:16 PM
Maybe Priest was in town to give JC a few lessons about going over the top.

And now the student will become the master.

rabblerouser
10-21-2013, 11:16 PM
And Priest had 2300 yards from scrimmage in 14.5 games.

Hey, I never said one was better than the other, and 2002/03 Priest should easily burn his name into the roh.

but I just don't think it's really fair to even compare them.

tk13
10-21-2013, 11:20 PM
Yeah it was a great line but Priest was a great running back. I'd go to games with opposing fans and even they'd remark about his quickness and vision. He was the total package. His quickness made him a monster in the red zone. Charles already has more fumbles than Priest had in his entire NFL career. It's a lot closer than people think.

rocknrolla
10-21-2013, 11:23 PM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

Not to discredit him by any means. He did have T-Rich leading the way for him a lot.

Count Alex's Losses
10-21-2013, 11:24 PM
Elite speed is a luxury for a RB anyway.

Jim Brown said that.

And Priest had everything but elite speed.

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:25 PM
Jamaal Charles is a very good running back. Priest Holmes was a special running back.

Had Priest's body complied (multiple ACL's, career threatening hip), he could have been a Hall Of Famer.

As for comparing them on the field, there is no comparison, IMO:

Priest.

Gonzo
10-21-2013, 11:34 PM
I gotta give the edge to Holmes as well. His vision for the first cut was legendary.
He ran very quickly for that first burst. Nothing I've ever seen before or since.
Charles is the better blocker and has more speed and talent. He just needs to develop that instinct for second cut options. You dig?

He's got more natural talent than Holmes IMO. If they can find someone to take a little of load off, that'd be awesome.

Shaid
10-21-2013, 11:35 PM
One thing Charles doesn't do that totally separates Priest from him is jump over the line for the TD. Priest was amazing at it. Charles never jumps, just runs into the guys and tries to squeeze through. With Priest it was pretty much a guaranteed TD if we were at the 1. With Charles, you don't know for sure. Charles is a great back, but Priest had that nose for the endzone that only the great ones have.

T-post Tom
10-21-2013, 11:36 PM
Nacho eating bitch.

Is that Poz? Bishop takes rook, checkmate.

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:37 PM
I gotta give the edge to Holmes as well. His vision for the first cut was legendary.
He ran very quickly for that first burst. Nothing I've ever seen before or since.
Charles is the better blocker and has more speed and talent. He just needs to develop that instinct for second cut options. You dig?

He's got more natural talent than Holmes IMO. If they can find someone to take a little of load off, that'd be awesome.

Priest's vision and body control was absolutely sick.

I've never seen anything like it before, outside of Barry Sanders.

Shaid
10-21-2013, 11:42 PM
Shout out to Clay for proving my point for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg_5TBh4fSw

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ThaVirus
10-21-2013, 11:47 PM
It's way too hard to compare the two. That offensive line was absolutely fucking insanely dominant. Couple that with an actual threat of the pass as well as having T Rich lead the way? That shit just wasn't fair for defenses..

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:49 PM
It's way too hard to compare the two. That offensive line was absolutely fucking insanely dominant. Couple that with an actual threat of the pass as well as having T Rich lead the way? That shit just wasn't fair for defenses..

:facepalm:

ThaVirus
10-21-2013, 11:50 PM
:facepalm:

Don't start, Dane.

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:51 PM
Don't start, Dane.

Fuck off.

You were probably 12 years old when Priest was in his prime.

tk13
10-21-2013, 11:55 PM
I mean just look at that video. His balance, hip movement, acceleration. Off the charts good. There isn't a guy in the NFL today that can run like that. That's beautiful to watch.

ThaVirus
10-21-2013, 11:56 PM
**** off.

You were probably 12 years old when Priest was in his prime.

13.

Bitch.

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:57 PM
13.

Bitch.

Thanks for proving my point.

You didn't know football then, either.

DaneMcCloud
10-21-2013, 11:58 PM
I mean just look at that video. His balance, hip movement, acceleration. Off the charts good. There isn't a guy in the NFL today that can run like that. That's beautiful to watch.

He was James Brooks, James Wilder, Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith in one guy.

Magic.

-King-
10-22-2013, 12:04 AM
Are people insane? Priest had not one, but TWO hall of famers and a borderline hall of famer blocking for him. Yet his highest season in rushing is only 106 yards more than Charles'. And even with that line, he still averaged less yards per carry than Charles does. He was a great back, but Charles is better.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 12:08 AM
Thanks for proving my point.

You didn't know football then, either.

"Football isn't played in a vacuum."

Everything about the two's respective offensive teams favors Priest. Our current best offensive lineman might be as good as our worst from that squad.

Sherman is a beast but even he can't rival the great T Rich.

Passing attacks? Pssh, let's not even go there..

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2013, 12:09 AM
13.

Bitch.

LMAO

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:10 AM
"Football isn't played in a vacuum."

Everything about the two's respective offensive teams favors Priest. Our current best offensive lineman might be as good as our worst from that squad.

Sherman is a beast but even he can't rival the great T Rich.

Passing attacks? Pssh, let's not even go there..
And once again, you clearly have no idea what you're watching, or what to watch.

It's okay: Most football fans are dumbfucks, too. You're hardly in the minority.

tk13
10-22-2013, 12:17 AM
Are people insane? Priest had not one, but TWO hall of famers and a borderline hall of famer blocking for him. Yet his highest season in rushing is only 106 yards more than Charles'. And even with that line, he still averaged less yards per carry than Charles does. He was a great back, but Charles is better.

Yeah but to this point Priest has had three seasons of total yardage beyond Charles best season. Priest had more rushing TDs in a single season than Charles has had in his career to this point. And that's while clearly not having the breakaway speed Charles does. Charles already has more career fumbles than Priest. To say it's "insane" is a bit harsh.

-King-
10-22-2013, 12:23 AM
Yeah but to this point Priest has had three seasons of total yardage beyond Charles best season. Priest had more rushing TDs in a single season than Charles has had in his career to this point. And that's while clearly not having the breakaway speed Charles does. Charles already has more career fumbles than Priest. To say it's "insane" is a bit harsh.

And Priest averaged about 85 more carries per season than Charles in those seasons. And yes Priest was a better red zone back than Charles, but how often have the Chiefs been in the redzone in Charles career? The Chiefs were probably in the redzone in 2003 more times than the Chiefs have been in all 5 years of Charles' career.

Give me a choice between the two and I pick Charles, and it's not even close. Priest was great, but Charles is just on another level of greatness. The best lineman in his career would be the worst in the Holmes era. And don't even get me started on the coaching...

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 12:28 AM
And once again, you clearly have no idea what you're watching, or what to watch.

It's okay: Most football fans are dumb****s, too. You're hardly in the minority.

I'm beginning to think you're not very smart.

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2013, 12:30 AM
I'm beginning to think you're not very smart.

He thought the 2012 Chiefs could win a playoff game.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:41 AM
I'm beginning to think you're not very smart.

Let me get this straight: You, as the same 13 year old, non-athletic cunt, watching the Chiefs on a 19" Sony Triniton in 2003, are telling us that Jamaal Charles is a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Priest Holmes?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I hope you're not this fucking dumb in your regular life. Although based on your posts and non-founded arrogance, you most likely are a complete and utter moron.

Enjoy your long journey to the middle.

-King-
10-22-2013, 12:45 AM
Let me get this straight: You, as the same 13 year old, non-athletic cunt, watching the Chiefs on a 19" Sony Triniton in 2003, are telling us that Jamaal Charles is a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Priest Holmes?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I hope you're not this fucking dumb in your regular life. Although based on your posts and non-founded arrogance, you most likely are a complete and utter moron.

Enjoy your long journey to the middle.

And you're discounting the value of the greatest offensive line in NFL history.

Name ONE player lineman in the past 5 years you'd take over either Roaf, Shields, Waters, Weigman, and Tate. Just one. All that and Charles is still on pace to break the Chiefs rushing and yards from scrimmage record in less games played.

Yes, Charles is a better football player than Priest.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:46 AM
He thought the 2012 Chiefs could win a playoff game.

You stated that Sutton, Sean Smith, Mike DeVtio were garbage. You said Steve Breaston would have more yards in 2013 than Donny Avery.

You recently said Josh Freeman was a stud.

Need I go on?

No one on Chiefsplanet knows less about the NFL than you, including Blackbob and Roy III.

For someone that has more than 225,000 football related posts in various forums, you should be a case study in retardation and socialization.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 12:46 AM
LMAO

Oh, goodness. You're definitely not very bright.

Find me the post where I said JC is better than Priest. Do it, bitch. DO IT.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:49 AM
And you're discounting the value of the greatest offensive line in NFL history.

Name ONE player lineman in the past 5 years you'd take over either Roaf, Shields, Waters, Weigman, and Tate. Just one. All that and Charles is still on pace to break the Chiefs rushing and yards from scrimmage record in less games played.

Yes, Charles is a better football player than Priest.

LMAO

Would you just go to YouTube and WATCH the man?

It's not the HOLES, it's what you do with the ball AFTER the lane has been created.

JFC.

It sure is fun to argue with people that were NINE YEARS OLD at the time.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:51 AM
I'm beginning to think you're not very smart.

You're a fucking phony. Are you stating your posts didn't imply it?

You're dumber than I thought.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 12:54 AM
You're a ****ing phony. Are you stating your posts didn't imply it?

You're dumber than I thought.

Not when the very first sentence of my very first post in this thread said "ITS TOO TOUGH TO COMPARE THE TWO".

You're not smart enough to make inferences, Dane. You've hereby been banned from making inferences from my posts. Don't let me catch you doing it again.

ChiefsCountry
10-22-2013, 12:56 AM
Priest had the vision, Jamaal has the speed, and LJ was a beast (off field issues aside) and then you had Marcus Allen in his prime who was basically all 3 of them together.

-King-
10-22-2013, 12:57 AM
LMAO

Would you just go to YouTube and WATCH the man?

It's not the HOLES, it's what you do with the ball AFTER the lane has been created.

JFC.

It sure is fun to argue with people that were NINE YEARS OLD at the time.

Ok, go on youtube and watch Jamaal Charles also. Highest yards per carry in NFL history with an average line in his career. How many yards would he average with 2 hall of famers and a 2 time all pro in front of him?

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2013, 12:58 AM
What you have to ask yourself is....could Priest gain 1,500 yards behind the 2012 Chiefs offensive line?

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 12:59 AM
Not when the very first sentence of my very first post in this thread said "ITS TOO TOUGH TO COMPARE THE TWO".

It's not tough at all for anyone that knows what to watch.

-King-
10-22-2013, 01:00 AM
What you have to ask yourself is....could Priest gain 1,500 yards behind the 2012 Chiefs offensive line?

Could he be on pace for 2000 yards from scrimmage in 2013 with Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Fisher blocking for him?

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 01:02 AM
It's not tough at all for anyone that knows what to watch.

Well.

Enlighten me..

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:02 AM
Ok, go on youtube and watch Jamaal Charles also. Highest yards per carry in NFL history with an average line in his career. How many yards would he average with 2 hall of famers and a 2 time all pro in front of him?

For Priest, it was about the initial hole. He had a second gear and vision that Charles lacks.

Priest wasn't a world class sprinter. He had two ACL replacements. But what he had was VISION and body control.

I take Priest every time.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:03 AM
Well.

Enlighten me..

YouTube

-King-
10-22-2013, 01:03 AM
For Priest, it was about the initial hole. He had a second gear and vision that Charles lacks.

:spock: What? Charles lacks vision and a second gear?


What the fuck?!

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:03 AM
Could he be on pace for 2000 yards from scrimmage in 2013 with Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Fisher blocking for him?

I don't see why not

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:04 AM
:spock: What? Charles lacks vision and a second gear?


What the fuck?!

How old where you when Holmes was in his prime?

And yes, Priest Holmes vision and second gear was better than Charles.

That was the comparison.

-King-
10-22-2013, 01:10 AM
How old where you when Holmes was in his prime?

And yes, Priest Holmes vision and second gear was better than Charles.

That was the comparison.

You don't get the highest yards per carry in NFL history with an average offensive line without having superior vision and a superior second gear.

You're talking out of your ass here.

And you've been talking about watching youtube highlights this whole time. So it doesn't matter how old I was when Holmes was in his prime. I can watch him whenever I want to. And he wasn't as good as Charles.

-King-
10-22-2013, 01:13 AM
By next year Charles will have the Chiefs rushing record, the Chiefs yards from scrimmage record, and the yards per carry record. All in less starts than Priest as a Chief. And with about 75% less help from the O-line than Priest used to get.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 01:14 AM
Priest had elite vision and patience. He wasn't particularly fast, he wasn't particularly strong and he wasn't particularly big but he's was just enough of the three to get shit done at an incredible level.

Charles has elite speed. His vision is great and patience is actually pretty good for a guy with the burners he has. He's also deceptively strong.

They're both fantastic hands out of the backfield.

Charles has a fumbling problem and Priest had, possibly, the best offensive line ever.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 01:15 AM
It's a close call, in my opinion. Given the circumstances, I couldn't make a proper designation.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:19 AM
You don't get the highest yards per carry in NFL history with an average offensive line without having superior vision and a superior second gear.

You're talking out of your ass here.

And you've been talking about watching youtube highlights this whole time. So it doesn't matter how old I was when Holmes was in his prime. I can watch him whenever I want to. And he wasn't as good as Charles.


It's funny how the adults in the room who were old enough to watch both, disagree.

-King-
10-22-2013, 01:23 AM
It's funny how the adults in the room who were old enough to watch both, disagree.

And it's funny that you don't have anything to back up your bullshit.


But it's cool, Jamaal Charles will have fun breaking Holmes' records in less starts and with a WAY worse O-line.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:30 AM
And it's funny that you don't have anything to back up your bullshit.


But it's cool, Jamaal Charles will have fun breaking Holmes' records in less starts and with a WAY worse O-line.

LMAO

Yeah, it's bullshit to say that Priest Holmes was the superior player.

LMAO

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 01:36 AM
And it's funny that you don't have anything to back up your bullshit.


But it's cool, Jamaal Charles will have fun breaking Holmes' records in less starts and with a WAY worse O-line.

Do you even have a fucking clue? Teams were spending high draft choices in order to find stud running backs. The relaxed passing rules hadn't gone into effect, so the running game and defense were what every team aspired to then.

The Patriots gave up a SECOND ROUND PICK for an EIGHT YEAR running back because they were at such a premium.

You're a child. Go to bed and shut the fuck up.

Pants
10-22-2013, 01:58 AM
I love Priest Holmes to death and his runs were always breathtaking. However, there's a reason Jamaal almost broke the record for the most impressive stat (IMO) with a ludicrous 6.83 YPC in 2010. Like some have already said, can you imagine what he could have done in his prime and behind one of the best O-Lines of all time? Holy shit...

Priest did have great vision and his runs and cuts looked jaw-dropping because of his foot speed and strength. It looked like he had jackhammers for legs. But I think if one were to look objectively, there really is no denying that in their primes, behind the same offensive line, Jamaal would have greater success.

I will also say that even without his elite speed, Jamaal is still a great RB. Jamaal hasn't been the world class sprinter RB of yore for a while now. I don't know if it's the ACL, the blisters or just general wear and tear, but he constantly gets caught from behind. The days of him running away from literally everyone on the field are over.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 02:06 AM
I love Priest Holmes to death and his runs were always breathtaking. However, there's a reason Jamaal almost broke the record for the most impressive stat (IMO) with a ludicrous 6.83 YPC in 2010. Like some have already said, can you imagine what he could have done in his prime and behind one of the best O-Lines of all time? Holy shit...

Priest did have great vision and his runs and cuts looked jaw-dropping because of his foot speed and strength. It looked like he had jackhammers for legs. But I think if one were to look objectively, there really is no denying that in their primes, behind the same offensive line, Jamaal would have greater success.

I will also say that even without his elite speed, Jamaal is still a great RB. Jamaal hasn't been the world class sprinter RB of yore for a while now. I don't know if it's the ACL, the blisters or just general wear and tear, but he constantly gets caught from behind. The days of him running away from literally everyone on the field are over.
The simple answer is that the league is no longer geared around or built to stop the running game.

That's not a knock on Charles, it's a testament to Priest's success.

Count Alex's Losses
10-22-2013, 02:13 AM
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Pants
10-22-2013, 02:13 AM
The simple answer is that the league is no longer geared around or built to stop the running game.

That's not a knock on Charles, it's a testament to Priest's success.

I'm not trying to knock anyone either. I am simply stating that, in my opinion, if you take Jamaal Charles and send him back to 2003 and let him run behind that line, he will outperform Priest. The only thing that makes me sad is that such immense talent was being wasted between 2008 and 2013. Hopefully, this will be the year Jamaal gets to taste some real success.

Pants
10-22-2013, 02:16 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1403753_10100277353169248_791943637_o.jpg

Just ridiculous. This is with a below average offensive line, shit passing game and against teams who know you're the only real weapon they have to worry about.

Fuck me, Priest had the benefit of the best offensive line and the best FB in Chief's history, the best TE of all time and a potent air attack with Trent Green getting about 10 minutes worth of a clean pocket every time he dropped back.

The more I think about it, the more evident it becomes to me.

Silock
10-22-2013, 02:27 AM
Look at these highlights. 85% of the time, he's got holes the size of the Grand Canyon to run through. He doesn't even get touched on most of these runs. Priest was a master at following the flow of the blocking and picking the right time to hit the hole. But you can't honestly look at this and tell me that JC wouldn't have the exact same runs.

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I don't think either is better than the other, either. They are different kinds of runners. They're both great and I think we should be celebrating the fact that we are lucky to have had them both.

BossChief
10-22-2013, 02:38 AM
It's a shame Priest had the injuries. If he had a healthy career, he could have broken every record out there for running backs. His touchdown production was simply amazing...like automatic inside the 8 kinda amazing.

It's hard to say which is the better back because I honestly think it's approaching a point where they are interchangeable. Charles is becoming a very effective receiver. That's the biggest point I came away from the Texans game...Charles is lethal as a receiver at this point, Alex is definitely holding him back because Charles is killing coverage on deeper routes.

Priest was tougher, Charles has get away from the cops speed.

Charles was mainly used as a true back where Priest was used more as a dual threat.

Right now, I'd take Priest...but if Charles has a few more good seasons, he will run away with this debate. He just needs a signature season in yards and scores.

I think Charles has a good chance to score 20+ touchdowns this year and if he is able to stay healthy, could put up 2-3 more years of that type of output.

Dayze
10-22-2013, 02:44 AM
my favorite RB by far.
There was nothing sweeter than watching him on a sweep play, being so patient, and cutting it up inside. It was money

His signature move as he would go across the goal line was kick ass.

Rausch
10-22-2013, 05:44 AM
Just ridiculous. This is with a below average offensive line, shit passing game and against teams who know you're the only real weapon they have to worry about.

**** me, Priest had the benefit of the best offensive line and the best FB in Chief's history, the best TE of all time and a potent air attack with Trent Green getting about 10 minutes worth of a clean pocket every time he dropped back.

The more I think about it, the more evident it becomes to me.

His career YPC average is sick as well.

And when you consider we had absolutely no passing game last year and he still beasted...I don't get why don't run more.

Omaha
10-22-2013, 09:01 AM
I know people love Charles, but Priest is still the best RB in franchise history, IMO. His vision was without parallel, he ran hard, and he was Marcus Allen-esque in short yardage situation. He was also an unbelievable receiver out of the backfield and great on blitz pickups. He didn't have the straight-line speed of Charles or even LJ, but I'd take 2002 Priest Holmes over all of them.

The dude could score at will from inside the 5 by jumping over everyone. I've never seen anyone do it better.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-22-2013, 10:41 AM
Look at these highlights. 85% of the time, he's got holes the size of the Grand Canyon to run through. He doesn't even get touched on most of these runs. Priest was a master at following the flow of the blocking and picking the right time to hit the hole. But you can't honestly look at this and tell me that JC wouldn't have the exact same runs.

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I don't think either is better than the other, either. They are different kinds of runners. They're both great and I think we should be celebrating the fact that we are lucky to have had them both.

there are quite a few plays in the where Priest initiated heavy contact or leapt over people, and I don't see JC doing that as successfully. Both are great backs.

L.A. Chieffan
10-22-2013, 11:22 AM
Damn I miss that offense. Can you imagine JC behind that line?

I definitely do NOT miss that defense. GTH GROB

KC Dan
10-22-2013, 11:30 AM
I miss Priest as well but get to see him every morning in my office! Thanks Stevie!!!

DJ's left nut
10-22-2013, 11:48 AM
You may think that, but you don't know it. It's easier to run now than it was then. Charles definitely has more first-to-second-level explosiveness, but I also don't think he was as slippery in tight spots as Priest.

Furthermore, you can't compare the two as receivers or short yardage backs. It's not even false to say that--it's insane.

Charles has rarely been given short-yardage carries.

This season he's gotten the bulk of them and he's looked pretty outstanding. I'll give you that Holmes was a better pass-catcher, but again, now that Charles is being used more in that role he's looking pretty darn good as well.

It's close, but in the end I think I'd rather have Charles, especially now that we've seen Charles go out there and do many of the things Holmes was asked to do. He's more explosive and he's just as tough. He may not have quite the vision Holmes did, but I think he had even better balance; his ability to shift into a hole and burst out of it is unparallelled.

It's certainly not an absurd argument from either side. I just think it's awfully hard to say with any authority that Holmes was clearly better when he had 3 guys playing at a HOF level in front of him for that period and a 4th at a Pro Bowl level. Branden Albert would've been the 2nd worst O-Lineman on that entire team (and really, Tait had his moments as well).

Switch the respective teams for a minute - would Holmes have been able to do the things that Charles did behind these lines from 2010 to now? I don't think so. Could Charles have done what Holmes did behind those HOF lines and in that offensive system from 2001-2003? Yeah, I really think he could have.

DJ's left nut
10-22-2013, 11:57 AM
How old where you when Holmes was in his prime?

And yes, Priest Holmes vision and second gear was better than Charles.

That was the comparison.

Vision - sure.

Second gear? My ass. When Charles hits a hole, he'll literally outrun the angle.

Priest Holmes was death by a thousand cuts. He'd get you 7 yards over and over and over again because he had uncanny patience and could bounce right into a gap just as it opened. But it wasn't a '2nd gear' that let him do that, it was patience and vision. He'd get his 7 then get taken down.

He was a lot like Emmitt Smith in that regard - Smith was always waiting and watching for a hole and he hit it the moment it opened.

That's not a 2nd gear thing, it's an intelligence thing.

GloryDayz
10-22-2013, 11:59 AM
And it's funny that you don't have anything to back up your bullshit.


But it's cool, Jamaal Charles will have fun breaking Holmes' records in less starts and with a WAY worse O-line.

And I hope he breaks LJ's AND Nacho's on the same run... And yeah, your point of Nacho's successes being done behind a BY FAR superior O-line will always be discounted.

Don't get me wrong, I was a 31 jersy-wearing guy for a while, but when he high-tailed it to San Antonio to "recooperate" (and coach his kid's team) instead of stick around the team, my dog picked up a new throw-blanket.

JASONSAUTO
10-22-2013, 12:03 PM
Vision - sure.

Second gear? My ass. When Charles hits a hole, he'll literally outrun the angle.

Priest Holmes was death by a thousand cuts. He'd get you 7 yards over and over and over again because he had uncanny patience and could bounce right into a gap just as it opened. But it wasn't a '2nd gear' that let him do that, it was patience and vision. He'd get his 7 then get taken down.

He was a lot like Emmitt Smith in that regard - Smith was always waiting and watching for a hole and he hit it the moment it opened.

That's not a 2nd gear thing, it's an intelligence thing.
agreed. no fucking way priest had a better second gear

CanadianChief
10-22-2013, 12:29 PM
My buddy said they got a pic with Priest at the game. He was sitting 3 rows in front of them. Section 124 row 14 I believe.

DJ's left nut
10-22-2013, 12:35 PM
Derrion Thomas (Derrick's son) has also been at the last two games. He said he hasn't been out there for years and will probably come out again next week.

Spitting image of DT. Really nice kid, very subdued but polite. He's been sitting just a few rows up from me in 121.

Tuckdaddy
10-22-2013, 12:49 PM
I take Charles over Priest. Charles needs a smaller window and gets yards and has the homerun capability Priest didn't have. Love PH but gve me JC any day.

Tuckdaddy
10-22-2013, 12:51 PM
agreed. no ****ing way priest had a better second gear

It's not even debateable. JC is faster and not a little faster. A lot faster.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 01:32 PM
Apparently all of you idiots were 12 years old in 2003 or just don't know what to watch for, which I don't care to explain to you because I have no idea what I'm talking about /Dane

Direckshun
10-22-2013, 01:51 PM
You may think that, but you don't know it. It's easier to run now than it was then.

Which is why run averages are down across the league.

Direckshun
10-22-2013, 01:52 PM
I'd probably take Charles over Priest.

Not by much, though.

Direckshun
10-22-2013, 01:55 PM
The reason I'd take Charles over Priest, in two words: Larry Johnson.

Running behind Priest's line LJ would have destroyed NFL records had he ran behind them in 2005 for the entire year.

But when LJ had to run behind Charles' line his last couple of years, he sucked in stereo.

Charles was able to still pull off amazing feats.

Charles and Priest both bring so much to the table, I can't help but love them both.

But Charles was the better teammate, the better pure runner, faster, with peerless change of direction, and just as patient.

Holmes was far better in the passing game, the better blocker, far better in short yardage, more competitive, and set up his blocks far better.

Love that they both played in KC.

DJ's left nut
10-22-2013, 02:01 PM
'Better blocker' may be a stretch.

Jamaal is a little guy, but he's a fearless blocker. He's made huge strides in that regard over the last couple of years. At this point I would actually say that Charles is a better blocker than Holmes was. He's pretty damn outstanding in that regard.

9er guy
10-22-2013, 02:02 PM
Charles? Holmes?

Both former Longhorns (Hook Em!, OU sucks) so it's hard for me to pick.

Charles is that dude though, but I think Holmes played in an era that wasn't as specialized and a No.1 RB had to do a lot more.

It's tough. They're both really, really good.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-22-2013, 02:03 PM
Which is why run averages are down across the league.

Teams also don't run nearly as much because it's not as efficient of a way to move the ball. Offense is easier across the board, but disproportionately easier via the air.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 02:04 PM
Vision - sure.

Second gear? My ass. When Charles hits a hole, he'll literally outrun the angle.

Priest Holmes was death by a thousand cuts. He'd get you 7 yards over and over and over again because he had uncanny patience and could bounce right into a gap just as it opened. But it wasn't a '2nd gear' that let him do that, it was patience and vision. He'd get his 7 then get taken down.

He was a lot like Emmitt Smith in that regard - Smith was always waiting and watching for a hole and he hit it the moment it opened.

That's not a 2nd gear thing, it's an intelligence thing.

I'll still take Priest over Charles at this point in time.

You guys are forgetting that the entire league was predicated on stopping the running game and finding a special running back.

Today, it's all about the passing game.

Omaha
10-22-2013, 02:28 PM
But, but, but... Charles is running behind a NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK. Priest never had that luxury!

GloryDayz
10-22-2013, 02:43 PM
But, but, but... Charles is running behind a NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK. Priest never had that luxury!

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Yeah, Fisher's just like Big Willie Roaf... Well, except for the part of being good... Come to think of it, he's not even a Waters, Wiegmann, Shields or Tait (yet), but he may get there some day.

DJ's left nut
10-22-2013, 02:57 PM
I'll still take Priest over Charles at this point in time.

You guys are forgetting that the entire league was predicated on stopping the running game and finding a special running back.

Today, it's all about the passing game.

Yet there are far fewer truly great running backs. I have a hard time believing it's because there's a shortage of RB talent - that body type and skill set is still in high demand.

Perhaps it's because when the league was predicated on the run, not only were there defenses geared to stopping them, there were also O-Lineman there exclusively for their prowess in blowing holes for RBs and blocking schemes built around the running game. Defenses are reactive in their nature - if they're built to stop the pass now it's because offenses stopped building schemes designed to make things easier for their RBs. There's some ying and yang there to consider.

Leaguewide YPC numbers kinda support that - YPC going back to 2000 have been pretty stable - right around 4.1 - 4.2. This year it's at 4.0, though it's been about 4.3 for a couple of years before that.

In the mid-90s is where you really saw it start to shift. In the '94, '95 range you were looking in the 3.6, 3.7 realm. But by the time Priest came along, 4.2ish was the new normal.

It might be a little bit easier to run now, but not by much. Certainly not by enough to overcome the massive gap in talent between the 2003 Chiefs line and the 2013 Chiefs line.

You really think Holmes could've gone for 6.5 YPC in 2010? You're being pretty quick to accuse others of forgetting greatness, but I feel like you're also forgetting just how amazing Charles was that year. He was doing some incredible stuff to dart through holes, make guys miss in small spaces and just rocketing out of there. He'd pick up 6 yards where there was literally nobody blocked merely through elusiveness and balance. He'd make a quick burst through the line, juke 2 LBs still within the hashes and then break free for another 15. Charles at his apex was absolutely the equal of Priest Holmes and he did it without nearly as varied an offense and without nearly the surrounding talent.

He had a worse player on his offense at literally every single position on the field than the 2003 Chiefs and yet he was equally effective, if not more so. I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to ignore that because of a perceived seismic shift in defensive focus, especially not when defenses didn't respect our passing game that year and leaguewide YPC averages were quite comparable.

Hey, I'll listen to an argument to the contrary. It's a fair argument. But this dismissive shit you're peddling doesn't fly. There are a ton of valid arguments to be made in favor of Jamaal Charles being a better RB and better all-around football player than Priest Holmes was.

Der Flöprer
10-22-2013, 02:59 PM
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What an amazing picture. Did you do that?

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 03:03 PM
Hey, I'll listen to an argument to the contrary. It's a fair argument. But this dismissive shit you're peddling doesn't fly. There are a ton of valid arguments to be made in favor of Jamaal Charles being a better RB and better all-around football player than Priest Holmes was.

Dismissive? Excuse me for not writing a dissertation as to why I'd take Priest over Jamaal at this time.

Phobia
10-22-2013, 03:05 PM
I don't personally care who was better. It's not like RB has ever been a horrific weakness for this team for any extended period of time. We've been fortunate and it's good to be 7-0.

KC Dan
10-22-2013, 03:14 PM
What an amazing picture. Did you do that?Yes, Stevie painted that for me years ago and got Priest to sign it as well. He gave me the pics of Priest signing it at the Holtus show

Pants
10-22-2013, 05:42 PM
I'll still take Priest over Charles at this point in time.

You guys are forgetting that the entire league was predicated on stopping the running game and finding a special running back.

Today, it's all about the passing game.

Not when you have Matt Cassel as your QB and every team you play brings 8 in the box.

I think you're a little too hung up on that point and it's a little overblown. Do you disagree that the 2009 Jamaal would do better than Priest in that 2003 offense?

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 06:03 PM
Not when you have Matt Cassel as your QB and every team you play brings 8 in the box.

I think you're a little too hung up on that point and it's a little overblown. Do you disagree that the 2009 Jamaal would do better than Priest in that 2003 offense?

I honestly don't know why you care about my opinion. I'm not going to change it nor concede.

I saw things on the field from Priest Holmes that were incredible. His body control, his vision, his smarts and his quickness. He was amazing out of the backfield as a receiver and he was amazing up the middle as a runner. He had a style and grace and moves that were just unbelievable.

I'm not knocking Jamaal Charles. But at this time, I'd take a healthy Priest Holmes over Charles.

Pants
10-22-2013, 06:14 PM
I honestly don't know why you care about my opinion. I'm not going to change it nor concede.

I saw things on the field from Priest Holmes that were incredible. His body control, his vision, his smarts and his quickness. He was amazing out of the backfield as a receiver and he was amazing up the middle as a runner. He had a style and grace and moves that were just unbelievable.

I'm not knocking Jamaal Charles. But at this time, I'd take a healthy Priest Holmes over Charles.

I just think it's an interesting discussion and you're the most vocal of the Priest side, that's all.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 06:16 PM
I just think it's an interesting discussion and you're the most vocal of the Priest side, that's all.

I think Hamas has been pretty vocal as well.

What's most interesting to me is that people that were children in Priest's heyday prefer Charles.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2013, 06:17 PM
I honestly don't know why you care about my opinion. I'm not going to change it nor concede.

I saw things on the field from Priest Holmes that were incredible. His body control, his vision, his smarts and his quickness. He was amazing out of the backfield as a receiver and he was amazing up the middle as a runner. He had a style and grace and moves that were just unbelievable.

I'm not knocking Jamaal Charles. But at this time, I'd take a healthy Priest Holmes over Charles.

Or Marcus. Especially in the red zone.

ThaVirus
10-22-2013, 06:20 PM
I think Hamas has been pretty vocal as well.

What's most interesting to me is that people that were children in Priest's heyday prefer Charles.

You're literally only talking about one person: King.

There have been plenty of guys that have picked Jamaal who's age you're unaware of...

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-22-2013, 06:23 PM
MACK LEE HILL WOULD FUCK ALL THESE BITCHES UP!

(watches yongsters scramble to figure THAT shit out)

Pants
10-22-2013, 06:23 PM
I think Hamas has been pretty vocal as well.

What's most interesting to me is that people that were children in Priest's heyday prefer Charles.

That's not really interesting to me at all. I'm just trying to be as unbiased and objective as I can. I enjoyed watching Priest Holmes in 2003 more than I enjoyed watching Jamaal Charles at any point, ever. I just think that Jamaal would set unbreakable records in that 2003 offense. My opinion is based on what Charles has been able to accomplish with subpar lines and atrocious passing game during his NFL career. As much as I love Priest Holmes, when one considers the whole picture, the argument that Jamaal Charles is a better running back is simply too strong.

JASONSAUTO
10-22-2013, 06:26 PM
You're literally only talking about one person: King.

There have been plenty of guys that have picked Jamaal who's age you're unaware of... I have been there since before okoye/word
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JASONSAUTO
10-22-2013, 06:28 PM
Just think Holmes used to get to the edge get 7-10 and get tackled.


If Charles gets the edge free he's gone.
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DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 06:30 PM
That's not really interesting to me at all. I'm just trying to be as unbiased and objective as I can. I enjoyed watching Priest Holmes in 2003 more than I enjoyed watching Jamaal Charles at any point, ever. I just think that Jamaal would set unbreakable records in that 2003 offense. My opinion is based on what Charles has been able to accomplish with subpar lines and atrocious passing game during his NFL career. As much as I love Priest Holmes, when one considers the whole picture, the argument that Jamaal Charles is a better running back is simply too strong.

Sorry, I don't see it that way, at all. The NFL was geared to stop the run, not the pass like it is today. Keep in mind, as I said before, this was also before the rule changes that made the NFL a passing league beginning in 2004.

Furthermore, Holmes had nearly 2,200 yards from scrimmage in 2001, before the arrival of Willie Roaf, and still managed 1,555 on the ground for a 6-10 team.

Hog Farmer
10-22-2013, 06:57 PM
Willie Roaf was the real deal. He made such a huge difference. Would love to see Charles running through the holes he created.

GloryDayz
10-22-2013, 08:53 PM
I think Hamas has been pretty vocal as well.

What's most interesting to me is that people that were children in Priest's heyday prefer Charles.

I just happen to think Charles is a better RB...

-King-
10-22-2013, 09:10 PM
Sorry, I don't see it that way, at all. The NFL was geared to stop the run, not the pass like it is today. Keep in mind, as I said before, this was also before the rule changes that made the NFL a passing league beginning in 2004. And the NFL was also geared to run the football also.

Furthermore, Holmes had nearly 2,200 yards from scrimmage in 2001, before the arrival of Willie Roaf, and still managed 1,555 on the ground for a 6-10 team.

And that 2001 line was still way better than any line Jamaal Charles has had. And Jamaal Charles managed 1500 on the ground for a 2-14 team. With Romeo Crennel and Brian Daboll as his coaches.

-King-
10-22-2013, 09:11 PM
Willie Roaf was the real deal. He made such a huge difference. Would love to see Charles running through the holes he created.

He wouldn't be a big improvement over Branden Albert /Dane.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 09:28 PM
And the NFL was also geared to run the football also.



And that 2001 line was still way better than any line Jamaal Charles has had. And Jamaal Charles managed 1500 on the ground for a 2-14 team. With Romeo Crennel and Brian Daboll as his coaches.

You are the least objective person on Chiefsplanet considering you've stated repeatedly that Charles is your favorite player and that you "love him".

Invalid.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 09:29 PM
He wouldn't be a big improvement over Branden Albert /Dane.

LMAO

Butthurt much?

-King-
10-22-2013, 09:30 PM
You are the least objective person on Chiefsplanet considering you've stated repeatedly that Charles is your favorite player and that you "love him".

Invalid.

I'm clearly alone in this. LMAO

-King-
10-22-2013, 09:33 PM
LMAO

Butthurt much?

Butthurt? Dude, do you realize your posts to realize how schizophrenic you act? You're clearly the one who gets butthurt.

And oh yeah, Jeff Allen is pretty much as good as Brian Waters
Jon Asamoah is as good as Will Shields
Eric Fisher is as good as John Tait

Those linemen wouldn't have made Jamaal Charles' totals go up at all.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 09:35 PM
Butthurt? Dude, do you realize your posts to realize how schizophrenic you act? You're clearly the one who gets butthurt.

And oh yeah, Jeff Allen is pretty much as good as Brian Waters
Jon Asamoah is as good as Will Shields
Eric Fisher is as good as John Tait

Those linemen wouldn't have made Jamaal Charles' totals go up at all.

Again, you were a child back in day.

What's your "excuse" for Holmes 2,200 yard output in 2001 with Marcus Spears at left tackle?

And yes, you're clearly butthurt.

stevieray
10-22-2013, 09:43 PM
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DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 09:44 PM
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:thumb:

-King-
10-22-2013, 09:51 PM
Again, you were a child back in day.

What's your "excuse" for Holmes 2,200 yard output in 2001 with Marcus Spears at left tackle?

And yes, you're clearly butthurt.

Excuse? He also had Brian Waters, Will Shields, and Casey Wiegman on his team. All three are better than the best lineman we have now.

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 09:57 PM
Excuse? He also had Brian Waters, Will Shields, and Casey Wiegman on his team. All three are better than the best lineman we have now.

So? Does that somehow take away from his ability to avoid tacklers, catch the ball, find holes, extend and make spectacular plays?

Again, the league was run-centric. Teams were spending first round draft choices on running backs year after year. If you couldn't run the ball, your team was going nowhere. If you couldn't defend the run, your team wasn't going anywhere.

The Chiefs, amongst several others, were spending draft choice after draft choice to defend the run. NOT rush the passer, but defend the run.

The league was different.

lewdog
10-22-2013, 10:06 PM
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Jesus dude, these paintings are awesome.

Nice work. :thumb:

DaneMcCloud
10-22-2013, 10:17 PM
Jesus dude, these paintings are awesome.

Nice work. :thumb:

Stevie is an amazing artist.

He's a true KC gem.

lewdog
10-22-2013, 10:27 PM
Stevie is an amazing artist.

He's a true KC gem.

I suppose so.

I'll never understand how someone can do that lol. I can barely make my signature legible. ROFL

Big Smoke
10-23-2013, 12:54 AM
Dane sure seems to enjoy talking about children, or when people on here were children. That's kinda... creepy. :huh::spock::Poke:

ThaVirus
10-23-2013, 02:02 AM
That's a... touchy... subject.

salame
10-23-2013, 03:00 AM
Did Priest Holmes have nachos?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-23-2013, 10:05 AM
That's a... touchy... subject.

LMAO

theelusiveeightrop
10-23-2013, 10:11 AM
Touchy and freely.

GloryDayz
10-23-2013, 02:40 PM
Did Priest Holmes have nachos?

Ummmm, yeah. That's his legacy once JC relegates him to his rightful position of nothingness - 60 yards less deep into nothingness than LJ! But he'll always be known for getting what he got behind an O-line that should have yielded a lot more. Had SOOOO many other RBs had that O-line, they'd never be able to be touched...

So yeah, his legacy will, soon enough, be Nachos and a very unclear speaking voice.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-23-2013, 02:41 PM
Did Priest Holmes have nachos?

Yeah, he ate mine.

GloryDayz
10-23-2013, 02:51 PM
Yeah, he ate mine.

See....he's an asshole!